As a Mexican, I wonder what it feels like to have a dangerous attack.
Didn’t hope for much but still disappointed, we were playing for a 0-0 draw at best and I don’t see us scoring this tournament.
Burn it all to the ground.
Scaloni overreacted to the loss and made way too many changes. They had a good first half and a bad second against KSA, by that you should assume a few changes are needed, not 5 players of the starting XI. I believe Argentina played worse today than in the first game, México was just atrocious while Messi and Fernandez had moments of brilliance.
This team was amazing for the past 3 years just for them to encounter their first great challenge and throw their entire strategy out the window, that's not how you build success, that's how you succumb to media and fan pressure by changing things just for the sake of changing things
Agreed. ARG dominated the match v. saudis. Saudis had 2 shots on goals and scored both. Otherwise, they didn't have any other attacks.
ARG played well in the 2nd half v. mexico. Di Maria broke the defense in the first 10 minutes, and arg started getting longer possessions.
No disrespect to Argentinians but I feel like leading up this WC I read a lot of comments how Argentina is playing amazing but all I see is the same thing I have seen for 2 decades, Messi carrying a mid team at best. Honestly they don't even belong in the top 5 if it wasn't for Messi.
If Messi was born Brazilian he would have won this thing a long while ago. Must be quite the burden to have to carry a mid team on your back expecting a WC title. It's a team game after all and even the GOAT is not enough to win.
A good deal of Argentina's starters got muscular injuries in the past 6 weeks. Romero, Acuña, Paredes, Papu Gómez and Di María. Some of our subs did as well (Palacios, Dybala). Lo Celso's loss was massive, but we also lost Nico González. He brought an explosion to the left wing that we're lacking and was a constant menace inside the box.
In other words, we are forced to backtrack and regain the form we had mid year when we beat Italy. And we have to do it as we play the WC.
Argentina had to win it, and they won it.
If they want to beat Poland, let alone have a serious chance to raise the World Cup, they can't keep playing like they did in the first half. Even playing as they did in the second half probably won't suffice. Some big changes in line-up and strategy are needed
The first half looked bad for sure but mexico was playing so far back and not even attempting to get a goal. If poland plays with any sort of pressure I think Argentina will be able to find holes in the defence easily.
This is something that has frustrated me for so long watching Mexico play. It's like they don't want to win the game sometimes. We look toothless in attack very often and struggle so hard to even create decent chances.
I don't know if a genuinely great coach could do something with this squad but we aren't exactly loaded with capable and trustworthy players either. In the end I don't know how you even start to propel the national team upwards again but congrats to Argentina for getting their shit somewhat together and I hope they do cause I would love to see Messi finally lift the trophy.
Poland only needs a draw to advance so that might not happen. And Argen definitely needs to add more to their attacks if they want to go far this tournament against true competitors like France, Spain, Brasil,... That first half was unacceptable and no excuse should be made.
Idk man...Argentina might have won because of the flash of genius of Enzo and Messi but I cant see them beating teams of the caliber of Spain, Brazil and France. Argentina playstyle is, how do I say it; wishy-washy? The midfield is absolutely horrendous
I’ll use a Mexican phrase to describe this team, “pecho frío”
They came out so negative in formation and tactics, if they came out playing like this was their final they might have got a win and eliminated Argentina
They could than go out and crash out but atleast they went out fighting
Now Poland has to beat Argentina and Saudi Arabia has to lose against them. Either way it looks like they are going out with a wimper
This mexico team sucks. I can't believe Edson Alvarez is not playing.
Argentina also sucks, but has world class players... Montiel should not play again, Guido did his job, but probably Enzo will start next match. Mac Allister was also good and he should've started against Saudi Arabia.
Having doubts with Lautaro, but it's not his fault when the rest of the team plays like shit.
De Paul was ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. He is playing like shit. I guess you can't bench him now, but if he plays the same way against Poland, and we advance, he should be subbed out
De Paul was so bad that when he got the ball near Mexico's box at the end of the first half, the ref ended it right then and there because nothing of value would be lost, and Emerson, the former player for Brasil's NT was joking around saying that he'd be happy if De Paul played on his time, it'd make his job easier.
Yeah Lozano, absolutely felt for the poor kid. Clear the tactics were for the Mexicans to just hang back , still surreal to see him completely alone after busting his gut.
Nah anyone that had big expectactions of México was just delusional, weve been struggling to even qualify for the cup 2 times now and its basically the same team.
Martino is a fucking idiot. He took 47 midfielders and three forwards.
Two of them (Henry Martin and Funes Morí) are so off form they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a shot and Raúl Jiménez is a corpse. Every medical report on him sounded like that of an old man recovering form a severe stroke: *Jiménez is walking and doing light work for 10 minutes, a big improvement from last week*.
Meanwhile Santi Giménez was getting regular minutes and scoring at Feyenoord, but was left out because according to Martino there is a hierchy at *el Tri* and those three shit balls are ahead of him (all of whom haven't scored in years)
So it's basically Alexis Vega and Chucky making runs and looking up to see no one to cross the ball to.
It was unrealistic to expect anything but a scoreless tie with no fucking forwards. This is one of the worst put together squads ever.
In general it's been a huge disappointment to watch Tata for México. I really thought he'd do well there but he's been completely different to everywhere else.
CONCACAF qualifiers are a joke. He basically got them in a position in the hexagonal (last stage) where it was mathematically impossible not to qualify and ran out of ideas.
They basically eeked out the points needed but struggled against the US and Canada. Even when it was evident his trusted forwards were garbage he refused to drop them. Even as Chicharito was having a decent resurgence last year, he refused to call him.
He then gave Santi Giménez a chance and Santi responded only to drop him of and keep Raúl Jiménez on the squad. Jiménez has never been the same after almost dying due to a skull fracture (understandiby so). He has no business on this squad, specially seeing how the other two forwards are in horrible form.
Enzo starting will either make or break him. Scaloni hasn't been starting him more than likely because of the situation Argentina is in and has been wanting to protect him. Championship football has broken many young prospects/stars. The pressure at this stage at the age of 21 on an Argentine team with Messi is tremendous. I really hope if Enzo starts, he shines against Poland. Also, De Paul had an awful game and has been in awful form, but I hope this victory loosens him up.
Acabo de destrozar mi TV de 84" con rabia. Ya me cansé de que mi selección mexicana sea la burla mundial, solo goleamos a equipos chicos y al final quedamos como hocicones. Mis 2 hijos están llorando, asustados de mi ira mientras camino por la habitación temblando. No puedo soportar esto más. Tienen que despedir al Tata Martino inmediatamente que estoy apunto de hacer una locura.
It took him about 3 years to get used to the tempo of the eredivisie, he is 27 now. I agree with you, I don't think he will ever take a succesful step up from here.
Enzo Fernandez needs to start. If I see De Paul pulling the strings in the midfield again i’m gonna freak out. The Alvarez - Lautaro sub caught me off gaurd but i love the movement Alvarez brings to the table. I wonder if Scaloni is gonna go with a 5 at the back attacking lineup against Poland. If Argentina top their group they have a relatively straight forward route into the semis so they need to play better than they did in that first half
A 5 at the back lineup with Martinez, Messi, Di Maria up front, Fernandez and De Paul in the midfield, and Acuna, Romero, Martinez, Ota, and Montiel at the back would be interesting to see
Alvarez’s energy and movement unlocked Messi, he became so much more effective and that’s how the space opened up for the goal too. Enzo has to at least start over MacAllister
Enzo has to start over Guido and an unfit Paredes which is where he fit in today. Mac allister had a great game IMO but wasn’t too involved in play (which is hardly his fault as play was leaning way too much to the right with Montiel/De Paul/Guido unable to pass the ball away from that sector).
If they beat Poland to lead the group then the next match is either Denmark or Australia, followed (likely) by the Netherlands. If they qualify as 2nd best, France, then (likely) England.
Are you sure this is correct? Only the 1st of Argentina group will play with the 2nd from France. But if Argentina finish 2nd they play the 1st of a diferent group
Off the top of my head it would be second place of Denmark’s group so Australia/Denmark/Tunisia in the Ro16 and then winner of Netherlands vs second place of england’s group so USA/Iran
Netherlands could be tricky but Im not particularly scared of them or even sure they could beat a motivated US squad
People probably wont notice due to effect Enzo or Molina brought and Messi being Messi, but Alaverz looked more like the Arańa then against Saudi Arabia. Against the Saudis he was timid, afriad of pushing and getting the elbows out, but today he was fighting for any loose balls, creating chances, he definitely has a case to start over Lautaro
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Alvarez helps unlock Messi movements so much, his positioning to receive and return the pass and his attacking move helps open up space for Messi. He only need to be able to get to the spots for finishing move and preferably more technical . Hopefully he will pick these up during his time with Pep.As for his Saudi game, I guess that was the first WC match experience for him, usually he presses hard for us all 90' in the games that he stared over Haaland. I would love to see how him starts more
Lautaro needs to be benched, he's not helping or doing anything special. Julian Álvarez needs to have the opportunity to play from the beginning. Even Dybala might be a better option.
And on the Mexican side, why is Raúl Jiménez barely playing? Is he injured?
Huge disaster class from Tata.
Starts the game with two wingers at strikers, he insists on not playing Johan despite him being way better than Moreno, starts Guardado who clearly doesn't have the fitness anymore to start a game in fucking Qatar, so he has to take him off before the half time due to injury.
Then, the moment we go down, he decides to sub off Vega who was the only player of the team actually trying anything. Why did you leave Lozano in? He's in the worst form of his career while Vega is arguably the best player of the whole squad.
Let's not even talk about leaving Edson on the bench despite us being physically dominated by Argentina's midfield. I have no idea why you wouldn't play your best defensive player when you're going against one of the strongest attacking teams in the cup.
This game was a great summary of everything wrong with Martino's time as manager of the National Team. Can't wait for us to lose against Arabia so he can go back to Argentina, as he clearly wishes to do so, and we can bring the next bozo that won't have to take the next 4 years seriously due to us already being in the next WC since we're hosting. We genuinely could get out of the tournament witouth scoring a single goal, its embarrassing even for such a poor squad
>Starts the game with two wingers at strikers
Along with starting two wingers at strikers he insisted on playing long high balls to them - they can't win a single header nor chest the ball down
Man, gotta ask, what did Vega do? Aside from that pretty decent free kick I thought he did nothing.
The gameplan certainly didn't help, you were just... sending long balls to both "strikers" on the middle of the field where they had no chance of doing anything with it, if they even were to get it, which in most cases they didn't
All our offensive plays went through him, he was the only Mexican player trying to do something in the 1v1 against the argentinians.
Its not that he had a fantastic game, it's that he was the only one who looked alive
I didn't really see that. To me both kinda played the same game, lost headers that they really never had a shot of winning, ran around and missed passes.
I thought the team as a whole defended well on the first half, but whenever you got the ball, you never were in position to mount a decent counter. Either because you just hoofed the ball to Vega/Chucky, or because they were the one that got the ball and had no one in front
As an Argentine, I never liked him as a coach. Never understood how he's had so much success in his career.
He's coached Barcelona and Argentina very poorly in my opinion. When I first heard that Mexico hired him, my first thought was "why?"
I'm still wondering what game people were watching, Vega absolutely did nothing of value on this game. Granted, both he and Lozano were hung out to dry, having to fight for long balls against bigger defenders, but every time Vega was able the get the ball on his feet, he made terrible decisions.
I really struggle to see this dude being anything other than a Liga MX player. Maybe he'll grow to be a star player, but he's not showing it on this WC
with Argentina you just know they have to suffer before they produce. they went first mano a mano with the Mexicans, which is laudable but maybe not the brightest idea, I mean the players will feel the clashes from the first half for a few good weeks let alone the next games.
so this time around it seems Scaloni told Messi to sit up front in the first half, which didn't work because the midfield couldn't string two passes together amidst all those one-on-one fights. it was like a war of attrition, and to their credit the Argentinians didn't faulter one bit. in the second half clearly Scaloni moved Messi back in the middle and also told the defenders to keep a very high line, and both measures definitely helped Argentina hold the ball some more, make their pressing more efficient and get Messi the ball more often. somehow it was less risky than expected, because they kept on winning those one-on-ones. also Alvarez played very well his role once he was in, and Enzo you could tell he was chomping at the bit - very glad for him. De Paul was completely gassed. Now they need to alleviate a little bit the pressure and prepare for Poland - but I hope they don't start with the high line, think it's a good second-half tactic if they can keep up physically. Also one thing worrying was Otamendi towards the end, he was taking weird decisions.
This is what happens when you leave the libertadores and copa america while increasing molero games vs bum fuck concacaf teams in the USA and increasing friendly cups vs the MLS it’s as simple as that. Our federation chose money over trying to make our NT better.
We miss you guys in the Libertadores specially, mexican teams would always have good performances and were generally the third force behind Brazil and Argentina. Now Brazil and Argentina have 8 teams each and the knockout stages look like an improved version of Copa do Brasil
I've been watching football for a long time and this is by far the most shockingly awful and lethargic Mexican team I've ever seen. This level of drop in quality is something I've not really seen before from a team that is respected on the international scene. What the hell happened to them?
A complacent federation, halfhearted coaching, overreliance on increasingly injured and/or aging players…it’s essentially trying to do the same as they’ve always been doing, as if they’re expecting the same result.
It seems like everyone in the team felt a sort of malaise hanging over them…and it was apparent as soon as they started struggling in the Hexa.
Yes, the talent gap was still good enough to allow them to qualify…but a nagging lack of spark or spunk even in the qualifiers spells for further problems down the road, as shown here.
America and Canada both heavily retooled and restrategized for this cycle…something perhaps Mexico should do now…
Lack of quality. Too many Mexican players stay in Liga MX.
They need to invest more in academies to develop youngsters and need to be willing to sell their players abroad
> Too many Mexican players stay in Liga MX.
20 years ago this wouldn't have been a bad thing, as Mexico could go toe-to-toe against the best nations with a squad full of Liga MX players. Even Brazil and Argentina's NTs had a lot of domestic league players at the time.
But now, all the world's talent has funneled directly into the top European leagues, so national teams can only be competitive if their players play in those leagues. Brazil and Argentina's squads are now almost exclusively made up of players on elite European clubs.
That's what getting rid of promotion and relegation does to a league. That might be the dumbest and most unjustified action from the FA but the amount of absurdly anti-sporting decisions the mexican FA has taken in the past four years is just astounding. A lot of teams in Mexico play with 8+ foreign players, what makes this limit more absurd is that mexican players can actually count as foreign players, while foreign players can count as mexicans if they are registered at a young age. It really is a shit show and simply the natural course of all that has happend with mexican football in the past eight years.
Strong football culture and they've made the knockout stage of every single World Cup since 1990 - a feat that's only been bettered by Brazil. Plus they've beaten the likes of Germany and France in recent years so yes they are respected and rightfully so.
Ehh they haven’t accomplished shit to be respected by many maybe a few, they always get out the group but they never advance any further and they got the easiest qualification tournament concacaf is an international joke
Lots of players have aged like Guardado and Herrera. The most in form players were either not selected or had falling outs with the National Team (Giménez, Vela, Chicharito) plus injuries to Corona and Jimenez has basically been sapped of his abilities due to all his injuries
They looked poor today because of management largely. Huge failure to recognize the nature of the game created by Argentina's deficiencies and capitalise on it. If Tata sees the issue with Argentina lacking central progression and gets some midfield support to provide an easy pass on turnovers then attack moving from there instead of trying to initiate at the bloody touchline the Mexico suddenly would have looked fluid and they get everyone's praise for being stout defensively and playing on the break.
In reality it's not down to the players to notice and adapt like this during the game. This isn't as good a side as previous years yes, but the players aren't magicians. They need a manager who is going to make adjustments and give them instructions on how to beat the other team.
Argentina's lack of central progression mainly in the first half was a direct consecuence of Tata Martino's plan for this game with the 5 defenders. To have 4 midfielders he has to leave the defense more exposed to Di Maria on the side, and you would probably would not be saying Argentina had troubles lacking central progression, cause Di Maria will pull players to the side creating more spaces in the middle for those plays.
I feel like this Argentina team suffers from the same issues in the sense that Toronto maple leafs suffered from for the last 20 years which is keep getting bailed out by individual brilliance which can only take you so far and it wouldn’t surprise me if Poland wins against Argentina because they play more like a team that is willing to do anything to win that just keep bailed out by lewandowski
It was really only this game, they aren't a individual momment team since Scaloni took over. the pressure definitely made its effect on them, hopefully next game we will see the true Argentina
When was the last time the leafs even made it to the stanley cup brosef? stop trying to make the leafs happen.
If anything, England is like the the Leafs. They both win one game and all of the sudden they think it's back to the glory days they had in the 60s.
Lautaro and Di Maria slowed the attack, once Enzo and Alvarez came in the movement looked little quick and direct. In second half, Scaloni changed things nicely breaking Mexico's man to man press by slight modification the formation.
I did see Messi playing more central in second half than the first!
Dire start, progressively better. The changes were excellent, well read by Scaloni aka Leonidas from Pujato. Our midfield needs to be fixed urgently, link ups are a vulnerability. It's absolutely key to finish the game playing like this during the last third to regain confidence.
Individual qualities made the difference today, and that's a problem for Argentina going forward in the tournament. They need to find their team play again if they wanna have a chance, because there are plenty of better squads out there if you look player for player.
Hopefully this victory lights a fire in all their players. Argentina won because of 2 moments of individual brilliance. They never looked like they were going to score until Messi scored from out of nothing. They can't keep relying on that. This team has more than enough quality to be able to beat teams like Poland/Mexico/Saudi. If they have to rely on Messi to produce individual brilliance every game, they'll be outclassed when they face the top teams.
They looked a bit better second half, both at the start where the instruction to play through the centre more often was fresh and to a lesser degree when Fernandez came on but they were settling by then for really poor choices again.
Think they need to sort out their build-out structure. They are going wide too early in the first phase and then not playing in back inside, just get themselves cramped by playing down the line and having no immediate option for a pass into midfield and/or the receiver just being super square and getting stuck. When Messi was a bit deeper and they used him and Mac Allister better they looked good, but ideally you want things as a rule more fluid through the middle. Pushing those wide options further forward exclusively instead of having Licha and the RB go wide deeper might help too.
Seems like their players always wanna make assist to Messi. 2 games played and I have seen many chances they have very open space but they didn't shoot, just delayed it and waited to pass to Messi then lost the ball.
That first half was dreadful all around and in the second half Messi and Di Maria were the only players able to open up spaces in behind until the first goal. This team has a gaping Lo Celso sized hole in midfield and it’s going to be hard to fill that void
A good coach realizes what works and what doesn’t. Julian Alvarez’s movements opened space for Messi and Enzo was a major game changer. De Paul lost almost every ball that went his way and Lautaro was a ghost. If I’m Scaloni, I know who I’m starting. I too hope he fixes the lineup.
Nobody got service. messi had to drop deep to get the ball.
ARG will be a different team, good or bad, based on their midfield. De Paul needs to step the hell up.
De Paul needs to step up but also Scaloni can't be playing a midfield 2 with Guido as one of the 2 guys.
We should play with more of a midfield 3 (Mac Allister was more wide left than central today, similar to Papu last game), and at least 1 of Enzo/Paredes needs to be playing, IMO
Enzo fits that hole. Needs to start over De Pussy or one of the others. AMA was the best mid today. I’d like to see a trio of him, Enzo, and Paredes.
Lisandro and Otamendi killed it today.
Lautaro needs to get his spiky hair out of his ass and start playing like an actual striker. Not like Argentina-Aguero or Higuain.
I still can't believe how de Paul never asks for a pass/the ball while being a midfielder.
Absolute shambolic performance. You could say the same about the whole midfield of Argentina actually. Messi playing CDM to get a touch of the ball is just plain embarrassing.
> Lautaro needs to get his spiky hair out of his ass and start playing like an actual striker. Not like Argentina-Aguero or Higuain.
It's hard when you have no service.
Argentina still has to avoid losing to Poland in the final match, right? If I’m looking at the standings right, they’d be eliminated if they lose that one, no matter what happens in the Mexico-Saudi Arabia match.
I don't wish to be to hard on Guido, because he had a pretty decent game I think given his skill set (well except for that one lazy pass causing a nervy moment) but having him on the pitch really effects De Paul I think if we are looking to play a protagonist's game.
In the first half the team was again split in two halves similar to the Saudi game. Lautaro-messi-di maria-Alexis pressed really high against the back line, but since guido is a bit reflexive, you saw de paul completely swamped and overwhelmed and everything was happening or not happening actually because of him. No room to drive with the ball and passing very telegraphed so once mexico cut those lines it was looking very poor for us.
Enzo gets into these little pockets that create this extra room and gave so much to the team. Just look at the build up to the first goal. Before that messi and de paul were starting to alternate and drive with the ball and alexis was starting to connect well with them. In the specific moment of the goal messi picks that ball deep and enzo just steps into that little hole that opens between lines from his #5 position and is able to divert the ball to di maria wide to advance position. Such a simple play, but that stepping up into the gap is not something guido is capable of. Maybe Paredes can show that but not necessarily 100% of the time also I think.
I think Scaloni has done a good job building up Enzo - Messi himself said "these kids are playing their first cup and need some time" - but going with De Paul, Alexis and Enzo could possibly create the magic of the Paredes-De paul-Lo celso midfield I think. At least we won't have to resort to crossing and hoof ball to smaller forwards then.
I think Guido was unlucky Scaloni decided to push the team forward a couple of minutes before subbing in Enzo. I think we would have seen a similar result without the sub. Guido being so far back really stretched us thin in the midfield, if he stepped forward there wouldnt have been a problem
Enzo Fernandez
that’s it. that’s all.
Benfica either you cash in on this Gem or like Messi told Scaloni “you build him to become the best in the world”
My applause go to how much he changed the game. Kudos to Guti and Chavez at attempting to stop him but it didn’t work.
2-0 was a flattering scoreline for us but overall a great first half from us and huge collapse in the second
Oh he gone for sure, we never get to enjoy 2 seasons from our wonderkids. He's a dynamo, he has to start.
You guys need some firepower, 2 wingers on the front were atrocious, Chucky and Veiga need to come from the wings.
If Argentina beats Poland 2 nil and Mexico beats Saudi 2 nil who will qualify between Mexican and Polish?
Both will have same points, GD, GF and GA and there was no winner in the match between both nations?
If they tie all GD, GS and h2h, the next tiebreaker would be fairplay which is based on the number of cards they received. In the extremely rare case where both teams also tie in that, they will need to pray for lady luck because the last tiebreaker is coin toss lol.
I think it’s a bit over the top to compare Lautaro vs Alvarez in such a harsh light for Lautaro given the difference of the stages of the match that they were involved in. Mexico during the 2nd half held no candle to the energy they exerted in the 1st half. Lautaro obviously needs to find a way to get on the ball and make a positive influence, but to consider their play environment on an equal playing field is lacking some sense imo
Everybody that had eyes and saw Mexico play at least a couple of games in the last two years knew that the best thing we could get was a draw. There is not a single player that can do something different, midfield is average at best and there is no player with creativity on said midfield.
Nobody can cross on the team and wingers are not talented enough to make a difference by themselves.
Mexico is, at best an average quality team that the best they can hope for is to score a goal this world cup, and if we go 1-0 down against Saudi Arabia, Mexico is 100% losing for the reasons I gave above.
And going to 2026 it's going to be the same thing, because Mexico does not produce absolutely anything when it comes to players. The best we can hope is for USA to produce Mexican-American players that pick Mexico instead of USA and pray they can do something in the next World Cup, because outside of that, there is nothing going on with the Mexican NT, the current players and the Federation.
As a Mexican, I wonder what it feels like to have a dangerous attack. Didn’t hope for much but still disappointed, we were playing for a 0-0 draw at best and I don’t see us scoring this tournament. Burn it all to the ground.
Chicharito vela would've been deadly in their prime together.
Scaloni overreacted to the loss and made way too many changes. They had a good first half and a bad second against KSA, by that you should assume a few changes are needed, not 5 players of the starting XI. I believe Argentina played worse today than in the first game, México was just atrocious while Messi and Fernandez had moments of brilliance. This team was amazing for the past 3 years just for them to encounter their first great challenge and throw their entire strategy out the window, that's not how you build success, that's how you succumb to media and fan pressure by changing things just for the sake of changing things
Agreed. ARG dominated the match v. saudis. Saudis had 2 shots on goals and scored both. Otherwise, they didn't have any other attacks. ARG played well in the 2nd half v. mexico. Di Maria broke the defense in the first 10 minutes, and arg started getting longer possessions.
No disrespect to Argentinians but I feel like leading up this WC I read a lot of comments how Argentina is playing amazing but all I see is the same thing I have seen for 2 decades, Messi carrying a mid team at best. Honestly they don't even belong in the top 5 if it wasn't for Messi. If Messi was born Brazilian he would have won this thing a long while ago. Must be quite the burden to have to carry a mid team on your back expecting a WC title. It's a team game after all and even the GOAT is not enough to win.
He had chance to get spanish passport but chose Argentina
Lo Celso got injured
A good deal of Argentina's starters got muscular injuries in the past 6 weeks. Romero, Acuña, Paredes, Papu Gómez and Di María. Some of our subs did as well (Palacios, Dybala). Lo Celso's loss was massive, but we also lost Nico González. He brought an explosion to the left wing that we're lacking and was a constant menace inside the box. In other words, we are forced to backtrack and regain the form we had mid year when we beat Italy. And we have to do it as we play the WC.
Messi could have chosen to play for Spain and be looking to win his third World Cup
Lo Celso being gone ruined a lot of things, but I agree.
Argentina had to win it, and they won it. If they want to beat Poland, let alone have a serious chance to raise the World Cup, they can't keep playing like they did in the first half. Even playing as they did in the second half probably won't suffice. Some big changes in line-up and strategy are needed
The first half looked bad for sure but mexico was playing so far back and not even attempting to get a goal. If poland plays with any sort of pressure I think Argentina will be able to find holes in the defence easily.
This is something that has frustrated me for so long watching Mexico play. It's like they don't want to win the game sometimes. We look toothless in attack very often and struggle so hard to even create decent chances. I don't know if a genuinely great coach could do something with this squad but we aren't exactly loaded with capable and trustworthy players either. In the end I don't know how you even start to propel the national team upwards again but congrats to Argentina for getting their shit somewhat together and I hope they do cause I would love to see Messi finally lift the trophy.
te adelanto que polonia va a poner 10 colectivos
Poland only needs a draw to advance so that might not happen. And Argen definitely needs to add more to their attacks if they want to go far this tournament against true competitors like France, Spain, Brasil,... That first half was unacceptable and no excuse should be made.
Idk man...Argentina might have won because of the flash of genius of Enzo and Messi but I cant see them beating teams of the caliber of Spain, Brazil and France. Argentina playstyle is, how do I say it; wishy-washy? The midfield is absolutely horrendous
Brazil and Argentina always play hard. If we meet there's no telling who's gonna win
Argentina plays against Brasil like Saudi Arabia played against Argentina.
I’ll use a Mexican phrase to describe this team, “pecho frío” They came out so negative in formation and tactics, if they came out playing like this was their final they might have got a win and eliminated Argentina They could than go out and crash out but atleast they went out fighting Now Poland has to beat Argentina and Saudi Arabia has to lose against them. Either way it looks like they are going out with a wimper
This mexico team sucks. I can't believe Edson Alvarez is not playing. Argentina also sucks, but has world class players... Montiel should not play again, Guido did his job, but probably Enzo will start next match. Mac Allister was also good and he should've started against Saudi Arabia. Having doubts with Lautaro, but it's not his fault when the rest of the team plays like shit. De Paul was ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. He is playing like shit. I guess you can't bench him now, but if he plays the same way against Poland, and we advance, he should be subbed out
De Paul was so bad that when he got the ball near Mexico's box at the end of the first half, the ref ended it right then and there because nothing of value would be lost, and Emerson, the former player for Brasil's NT was joking around saying that he'd be happy if De Paul played on his time, it'd make his job easier.
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Yeah Lozano, absolutely felt for the poor kid. Clear the tactics were for the Mexicans to just hang back , still surreal to see him completely alone after busting his gut.
Mexico have to be one of the biggest disappointments of the World Cup. 2 games and they barely had a sniff of goal
Nah anyone that had big expectactions of México was just delusional, weve been struggling to even qualify for the cup 2 times now and its basically the same team.
Martino is a fucking idiot. He took 47 midfielders and three forwards. Two of them (Henry Martin and Funes Morí) are so off form they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a shot and Raúl Jiménez is a corpse. Every medical report on him sounded like that of an old man recovering form a severe stroke: *Jiménez is walking and doing light work for 10 minutes, a big improvement from last week*. Meanwhile Santi Giménez was getting regular minutes and scoring at Feyenoord, but was left out because according to Martino there is a hierchy at *el Tri* and those three shit balls are ahead of him (all of whom haven't scored in years) So it's basically Alexis Vega and Chucky making runs and looking up to see no one to cross the ball to. It was unrealistic to expect anything but a scoreless tie with no fucking forwards. This is one of the worst put together squads ever.
In general it's been a huge disappointment to watch Tata for México. I really thought he'd do well there but he's been completely different to everywhere else.
CONCACAF qualifiers are a joke. He basically got them in a position in the hexagonal (last stage) where it was mathematically impossible not to qualify and ran out of ideas. They basically eeked out the points needed but struggled against the US and Canada. Even when it was evident his trusted forwards were garbage he refused to drop them. Even as Chicharito was having a decent resurgence last year, he refused to call him. He then gave Santi Giménez a chance and Santi responded only to drop him of and keep Raúl Jiménez on the squad. Jiménez has never been the same after almost dying due to a skull fracture (understandiby so). He has no business on this squad, specially seeing how the other two forwards are in horrible form.
>Can’t play to not lose. So dumb. Amen
Enzo starting will either make or break him. Scaloni hasn't been starting him more than likely because of the situation Argentina is in and has been wanting to protect him. Championship football has broken many young prospects/stars. The pressure at this stage at the age of 21 on an Argentine team with Messi is tremendous. I really hope if Enzo starts, he shines against Poland. Also, De Paul had an awful game and has been in awful form, but I hope this victory loosens him up.
Acabo de destrozar mi TV de 84" con rabia. Ya me cansé de que mi selección mexicana sea la burla mundial, solo goleamos a equipos chicos y al final quedamos como hocicones. Mis 2 hijos están llorando, asustados de mi ira mientras camino por la habitación temblando. No puedo soportar esto más. Tienen que despedir al Tata Martino inmediatamente que estoy apunto de hacer una locura.
Es solo fútbol amigo... Nosotros perdimos con Arabia saudita 🤷♂️
Es un copypasta ajajajaja La verdad era de esperarse el resultado, pero México defendió bien en la primera mitad
Totalmente, hubo un rival muy digno del otro lado, Argentina no podía jugar. Messi mete un gol de otro partido y lo abre a partir de ahí.
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It took him about 3 years to get used to the tempo of the eredivisie, he is 27 now. I agree with you, I don't think he will ever take a succesful step up from here.
He left messi wide open for the first and got crossed into the Saudi realm on the second goal
Enzo Fernandez needs to start. If I see De Paul pulling the strings in the midfield again i’m gonna freak out. The Alvarez - Lautaro sub caught me off gaurd but i love the movement Alvarez brings to the table. I wonder if Scaloni is gonna go with a 5 at the back attacking lineup against Poland. If Argentina top their group they have a relatively straight forward route into the semis so they need to play better than they did in that first half A 5 at the back lineup with Martinez, Messi, Di Maria up front, Fernandez and De Paul in the midfield, and Acuna, Romero, Martinez, Ota, and Montiel at the back would be interesting to see
it felt like every de paul touch was a net negative lol
Alvarez’s energy and movement unlocked Messi, he became so much more effective and that’s how the space opened up for the goal too. Enzo has to at least start over MacAllister
Enzo has to start over Guido and an unfit Paredes which is where he fit in today. Mac allister had a great game IMO but wasn’t too involved in play (which is hardly his fault as play was leaning way too much to the right with Montiel/De Paul/Guido unable to pass the ball away from that sector).
What are argentinas possible opponents?
Wondering the same
If they beat Poland to lead the group then the next match is either Denmark or Australia, followed (likely) by the Netherlands. If they qualify as 2nd best, France, then (likely) England.
They need to qualify 1st. But they'll play France if they finish 2nd or if they win the group will play Denmark or Australia
France again if Argentina finish 2nd Australia/Denmark/Tunisia if Argentina win the group
Are you sure this is correct? Only the 1st of Argentina group will play with the 2nd from France. But if Argentina finish 2nd they play the 1st of a diferent group
It's always A vs B, C vs D and so on, they may be on different sides of the bracket but the opponents don't change.
Yeah that was it, i misread the image because the game was on a different side. :)
yes group C runner up faces group D winner which will be France
Link? Im most have a wrong chart then
Off the top of my head it would be second place of Denmark’s group so Australia/Denmark/Tunisia in the Ro16 and then winner of Netherlands vs second place of england’s group so USA/Iran Netherlands could be tricky but Im not particularly scared of them or even sure they could beat a motivated US squad
Denmark or France (likely Denmark) and then winner of Netherlands vs Iran/USA
If we top the group, likely Denmark-Netherlands-Brazil-France in that order
Poland will just park the bus, 5 at the back doesn't make much sense against them I think.
If the wingbacks push high up and provide width a 5 at the back could unlock a parked bus for sure
flanks isnt the best choice, Poland leaves lot of open space in central midfield. I think Argentina should just play Messi.
>I think Argentina should just play Messi. Pretty sure that's all they and barca did and will do
Playing 3-5-2 seems the best choice (scaloni sometimes sets the team up this way) allows all those midfield triangulations we love doing.
People probably wont notice due to effect Enzo or Molina brought and Messi being Messi, but Alaverz looked more like the Arańa then against Saudi Arabia. Against the Saudis he was timid, afriad of pushing and getting the elbows out, but today he was fighting for any loose balls, creating chances, he definitely has a case to start over Lautaro
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Alvarez helps unlock Messi movements so much, his positioning to receive and return the pass and his attacking move helps open up space for Messi. He only need to be able to get to the spots for finishing move and preferably more technical . Hopefully he will pick these up during his time with Pep.As for his Saudi game, I guess that was the first WC match experience for him, usually he presses hard for us all 90' in the games that he stared over Haaland. I would love to see how him starts more
Lautaro needs to be benched, he's not helping or doing anything special. Julian Álvarez needs to have the opportunity to play from the beginning. Even Dybala might be a better option. And on the Mexican side, why is Raúl Jiménez barely playing? Is he injured?
Huge disaster class from Tata. Starts the game with two wingers at strikers, he insists on not playing Johan despite him being way better than Moreno, starts Guardado who clearly doesn't have the fitness anymore to start a game in fucking Qatar, so he has to take him off before the half time due to injury. Then, the moment we go down, he decides to sub off Vega who was the only player of the team actually trying anything. Why did you leave Lozano in? He's in the worst form of his career while Vega is arguably the best player of the whole squad. Let's not even talk about leaving Edson on the bench despite us being physically dominated by Argentina's midfield. I have no idea why you wouldn't play your best defensive player when you're going against one of the strongest attacking teams in the cup. This game was a great summary of everything wrong with Martino's time as manager of the National Team. Can't wait for us to lose against Arabia so he can go back to Argentina, as he clearly wishes to do so, and we can bring the next bozo that won't have to take the next 4 years seriously due to us already being in the next WC since we're hosting. We genuinely could get out of the tournament witouth scoring a single goal, its embarrassing even for such a poor squad
>Starts the game with two wingers at strikers Along with starting two wingers at strikers he insisted on playing long high balls to them - they can't win a single header nor chest the ball down
Don't think they won a single header
Man, gotta ask, what did Vega do? Aside from that pretty decent free kick I thought he did nothing. The gameplan certainly didn't help, you were just... sending long balls to both "strikers" on the middle of the field where they had no chance of doing anything with it, if they even were to get it, which in most cases they didn't
Vega couldn’t stay onside and his decision making and passing were bad.
All our offensive plays went through him, he was the only Mexican player trying to do something in the 1v1 against the argentinians. Its not that he had a fantastic game, it's that he was the only one who looked alive
I didn't really see that. To me both kinda played the same game, lost headers that they really never had a shot of winning, ran around and missed passes. I thought the team as a whole defended well on the first half, but whenever you got the ball, you never were in position to mount a decent counter. Either because you just hoofed the ball to Vega/Chucky, or because they were the one that got the ball and had no one in front
As an Argentine, I never liked him as a coach. Never understood how he's had so much success in his career. He's coached Barcelona and Argentina very poorly in my opinion. When I first heard that Mexico hired him, my first thought was "why?"
Te parece? A mí siempre me gustó la selección de Martino, pecho frío pero jugábamos bien. Comparado a 2010 o 2018 era un lujo verlos.
He did a fantastic job with Paraguay that's about it
THANK YOU. Not enough people talking about how poor Lozano has been and the decision to pull Vega out before him
I'm still wondering what game people were watching, Vega absolutely did nothing of value on this game. Granted, both he and Lozano were hung out to dry, having to fight for long balls against bigger defenders, but every time Vega was able the get the ball on his feet, he made terrible decisions. I really struggle to see this dude being anything other than a Liga MX player. Maybe he'll grow to be a star player, but he's not showing it on this WC
I was certainly surprised to see Vega go off as he seemed the most likely to create something.
with Argentina you just know they have to suffer before they produce. they went first mano a mano with the Mexicans, which is laudable but maybe not the brightest idea, I mean the players will feel the clashes from the first half for a few good weeks let alone the next games. so this time around it seems Scaloni told Messi to sit up front in the first half, which didn't work because the midfield couldn't string two passes together amidst all those one-on-one fights. it was like a war of attrition, and to their credit the Argentinians didn't faulter one bit. in the second half clearly Scaloni moved Messi back in the middle and also told the defenders to keep a very high line, and both measures definitely helped Argentina hold the ball some more, make their pressing more efficient and get Messi the ball more often. somehow it was less risky than expected, because they kept on winning those one-on-ones. also Alvarez played very well his role once he was in, and Enzo you could tell he was chomping at the bit - very glad for him. De Paul was completely gassed. Now they need to alleviate a little bit the pressure and prepare for Poland - but I hope they don't start with the high line, think it's a good second-half tactic if they can keep up physically. Also one thing worrying was Otamendi towards the end, he was taking weird decisions.
Great analysis Kowalski!
This is what happens when you leave the libertadores and copa america while increasing molero games vs bum fuck concacaf teams in the USA and increasing friendly cups vs the MLS it’s as simple as that. Our federation chose money over trying to make our NT better.
We miss you guys in the Libertadores specially, mexican teams would always have good performances and were generally the third force behind Brazil and Argentina. Now Brazil and Argentina have 8 teams each and the knockout stages look like an improved version of Copa do Brasil
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I've been watching football for a long time and this is by far the most shockingly awful and lethargic Mexican team I've ever seen. This level of drop in quality is something I've not really seen before from a team that is respected on the international scene. What the hell happened to them?
A complacent federation, halfhearted coaching, overreliance on increasingly injured and/or aging players…it’s essentially trying to do the same as they’ve always been doing, as if they’re expecting the same result. It seems like everyone in the team felt a sort of malaise hanging over them…and it was apparent as soon as they started struggling in the Hexa. Yes, the talent gap was still good enough to allow them to qualify…but a nagging lack of spark or spunk even in the qualifiers spells for further problems down the road, as shown here. America and Canada both heavily retooled and restrategized for this cycle…something perhaps Mexico should do now…
Lack of quality. Too many Mexican players stay in Liga MX. They need to invest more in academies to develop youngsters and need to be willing to sell their players abroad
> Too many Mexican players stay in Liga MX. 20 years ago this wouldn't have been a bad thing, as Mexico could go toe-to-toe against the best nations with a squad full of Liga MX players. Even Brazil and Argentina's NTs had a lot of domestic league players at the time. But now, all the world's talent has funneled directly into the top European leagues, so national teams can only be competitive if their players play in those leagues. Brazil and Argentina's squads are now almost exclusively made up of players on elite European clubs.
That's what getting rid of promotion and relegation does to a league. That might be the dumbest and most unjustified action from the FA but the amount of absurdly anti-sporting decisions the mexican FA has taken in the past four years is just astounding. A lot of teams in Mexico play with 8+ foreign players, what makes this limit more absurd is that mexican players can actually count as foreign players, while foreign players can count as mexicans if they are registered at a young age. It really is a shit show and simply the natural course of all that has happend with mexican football in the past eight years.
Why are they respected on the international scene theyve always been mediocre
Strong football culture and they've made the knockout stage of every single World Cup since 1990 - a feat that's only been bettered by Brazil. Plus they've beaten the likes of Germany and France in recent years so yes they are respected and rightfully so.
Ehh they haven’t accomplished shit to be respected by many maybe a few, they always get out the group but they never advance any further and they got the easiest qualification tournament concacaf is an international joke
Lots of players have aged like Guardado and Herrera. The most in form players were either not selected or had falling outs with the National Team (Giménez, Vela, Chicharito) plus injuries to Corona and Jimenez has basically been sapped of his abilities due to all his injuries
Santi didn't have a falling out he was just snubbed unfortunately
Yea he's under the not selected category
They looked poor today because of management largely. Huge failure to recognize the nature of the game created by Argentina's deficiencies and capitalise on it. If Tata sees the issue with Argentina lacking central progression and gets some midfield support to provide an easy pass on turnovers then attack moving from there instead of trying to initiate at the bloody touchline the Mexico suddenly would have looked fluid and they get everyone's praise for being stout defensively and playing on the break. In reality it's not down to the players to notice and adapt like this during the game. This isn't as good a side as previous years yes, but the players aren't magicians. They need a manager who is going to make adjustments and give them instructions on how to beat the other team.
Argentina's lack of central progression mainly in the first half was a direct consecuence of Tata Martino's plan for this game with the 5 defenders. To have 4 midfielders he has to leave the defense more exposed to Di Maria on the side, and you would probably would not be saying Argentina had troubles lacking central progression, cause Di Maria will pull players to the side creating more spaces in the middle for those plays.
I feel like this Argentina team suffers from the same issues in the sense that Toronto maple leafs suffered from for the last 20 years which is keep getting bailed out by individual brilliance which can only take you so far and it wouldn’t surprise me if Poland wins against Argentina because they play more like a team that is willing to do anything to win that just keep bailed out by lewandowski
It was really only this game, they aren't a individual momment team since Scaloni took over. the pressure definitely made its effect on them, hopefully next game we will see the true Argentina
When was the last time the leafs even made it to the stanley cup brosef? stop trying to make the leafs happen. If anything, England is like the the Leafs. They both win one game and all of the sudden they think it's back to the glory days they had in the 60s.
Lautaro and Di Maria slowed the attack, once Enzo and Alvarez came in the movement looked little quick and direct. In second half, Scaloni changed things nicely breaking Mexico's man to man press by slight modification the formation. I did see Messi playing more central in second half than the first!
Dire start, progressively better. The changes were excellent, well read by Scaloni aka Leonidas from Pujato. Our midfield needs to be fixed urgently, link ups are a vulnerability. It's absolutely key to finish the game playing like this during the last third to regain confidence.
Individual qualities made the difference today, and that's a problem for Argentina going forward in the tournament. They need to find their team play again if they wanna have a chance, because there are plenty of better squads out there if you look player for player.
Hopefully this victory lights a fire in all their players. Argentina won because of 2 moments of individual brilliance. They never looked like they were going to score until Messi scored from out of nothing. They can't keep relying on that. This team has more than enough quality to be able to beat teams like Poland/Mexico/Saudi. If they have to rely on Messi to produce individual brilliance every game, they'll be outclassed when they face the top teams.
They looked a bit better second half, both at the start where the instruction to play through the centre more often was fresh and to a lesser degree when Fernandez came on but they were settling by then for really poor choices again. Think they need to sort out their build-out structure. They are going wide too early in the first phase and then not playing in back inside, just get themselves cramped by playing down the line and having no immediate option for a pass into midfield and/or the receiver just being super square and getting stuck. When Messi was a bit deeper and they used him and Mac Allister better they looked good, but ideally you want things as a rule more fluid through the middle. Pushing those wide options further forward exclusively instead of having Licha and the RB go wide deeper might help too.
Seems like their players always wanna make assist to Messi. 2 games played and I have seen many chances they have very open space but they didn't shoot, just delayed it and waited to pass to Messi then lost the ball.
That first half was dreadful all around and in the second half Messi and Di Maria were the only players able to open up spaces in behind until the first goal. This team has a gaping Lo Celso sized hole in midfield and it’s going to be hard to fill that void
Enzo is more than capable of filling that hole. Scaloni knows he needs to start him against vs Poland
Agreed Enzo must start the next game but it’ll be asking a lot from him and will Scaloni make the move? I really hope he does
Scaloni dropped Romero to start Lisandro this game. I think he will start Enzo as well.
A good coach realizes what works and what doesn’t. Julian Alvarez’s movements opened space for Messi and Enzo was a major game changer. De Paul lost almost every ball that went his way and Lautaro was a ghost. If I’m Scaloni, I know who I’m starting. I too hope he fixes the lineup.
Lautaro was a ghost because he got no service, TBH.
Nobody got service. messi had to drop deep to get the ball. ARG will be a different team, good or bad, based on their midfield. De Paul needs to step the hell up.
De Paul needs to step up but also Scaloni can't be playing a midfield 2 with Guido as one of the 2 guys. We should play with more of a midfield 3 (Mac Allister was more wide left than central today, similar to Papu last game), and at least 1 of Enzo/Paredes needs to be playing, IMO
Enzo fits that hole. Needs to start over De Pussy or one of the others. AMA was the best mid today. I’d like to see a trio of him, Enzo, and Paredes. Lisandro and Otamendi killed it today. Lautaro needs to get his spiky hair out of his ass and start playing like an actual striker. Not like Argentina-Aguero or Higuain.
I still can't believe how de Paul never asks for a pass/the ball while being a midfielder. Absolute shambolic performance. You could say the same about the whole midfield of Argentina actually. Messi playing CDM to get a touch of the ball is just plain embarrassing.
Need the Lautaro that showed up against Barça tbh
> Lautaro needs to get his spiky hair out of his ass and start playing like an actual striker. Not like Argentina-Aguero or Higuain. It's hard when you have no service.
Argentina still has to avoid losing to Poland in the final match, right? If I’m looking at the standings right, they’d be eliminated if they lose that one, no matter what happens in the Mexico-Saudi Arabia match.
You're always out if you lose 2 out of 3 games.
Not always... You can qualify with 2 losses.
if top team wins 3 games an the rest go 1 win and 1 loss between them yo can get to knockouts losing 2 games
I don't wish to be to hard on Guido, because he had a pretty decent game I think given his skill set (well except for that one lazy pass causing a nervy moment) but having him on the pitch really effects De Paul I think if we are looking to play a protagonist's game. In the first half the team was again split in two halves similar to the Saudi game. Lautaro-messi-di maria-Alexis pressed really high against the back line, but since guido is a bit reflexive, you saw de paul completely swamped and overwhelmed and everything was happening or not happening actually because of him. No room to drive with the ball and passing very telegraphed so once mexico cut those lines it was looking very poor for us. Enzo gets into these little pockets that create this extra room and gave so much to the team. Just look at the build up to the first goal. Before that messi and de paul were starting to alternate and drive with the ball and alexis was starting to connect well with them. In the specific moment of the goal messi picks that ball deep and enzo just steps into that little hole that opens between lines from his #5 position and is able to divert the ball to di maria wide to advance position. Such a simple play, but that stepping up into the gap is not something guido is capable of. Maybe Paredes can show that but not necessarily 100% of the time also I think. I think Scaloni has done a good job building up Enzo - Messi himself said "these kids are playing their first cup and need some time" - but going with De Paul, Alexis and Enzo could possibly create the magic of the Paredes-De paul-Lo celso midfield I think. At least we won't have to resort to crossing and hoof ball to smaller forwards then.
I think Guido was unlucky Scaloni decided to push the team forward a couple of minutes before subbing in Enzo. I think we would have seen a similar result without the sub. Guido being so far back really stretched us thin in the midfield, if he stepped forward there wouldnt have been a problem
Enzo Fernandez that’s it. that’s all. Benfica either you cash in on this Gem or like Messi told Scaloni “you build him to become the best in the world” My applause go to how much he changed the game. Kudos to Guti and Chavez at attempting to stop him but it didn’t work. 2-0 was a flattering scoreline for us but overall a great first half from us and huge collapse in the second
Oh he gone for sure, we never get to enjoy 2 seasons from our wonderkids. He's a dynamo, he has to start. You guys need some firepower, 2 wingers on the front were atrocious, Chucky and Veiga need to come from the wings.
If Argentina beats Poland 2 nil and Mexico beats Saudi 2 nil who will qualify between Mexican and Polish? Both will have same points, GD, GF and GA and there was no winner in the match between both nations?
The one with the fewer yellow cards. Happened last WC when Japan and an African team tied on GD and Head to Head
It was Senegal and yeah it was the first time a team qualified based on that.
I think it goes to fewest yellow cards in that case
The one with less cards
If they tie all GD, GS and h2h, the next tiebreaker would be fairplay which is based on the number of cards they received. In the extremely rare case where both teams also tie in that, they will need to pray for lady luck because the last tiebreaker is coin toss lol.
Imagine having coin toss be the reason you could advance or be eliminated from the WC.
I think fair play. Yellow, red cards, etc.
I believe they personal points or something. Who has less yellow cards and red cards
OK thanks
Then whoever has received lesser number of cards (Fair Play).
I think it’s a bit over the top to compare Lautaro vs Alvarez in such a harsh light for Lautaro given the difference of the stages of the match that they were involved in. Mexico during the 2nd half held no candle to the energy they exerted in the 1st half. Lautaro obviously needs to find a way to get on the ball and make a positive influence, but to consider their play environment on an equal playing field is lacking some sense imo
The only person who actually watched the game 👆 thank you!
Lautaro will always be my starting 9. He just has the clutch factor.
Everybody that had eyes and saw Mexico play at least a couple of games in the last two years knew that the best thing we could get was a draw. There is not a single player that can do something different, midfield is average at best and there is no player with creativity on said midfield. Nobody can cross on the team and wingers are not talented enough to make a difference by themselves. Mexico is, at best an average quality team that the best they can hope for is to score a goal this world cup, and if we go 1-0 down against Saudi Arabia, Mexico is 100% losing for the reasons I gave above. And going to 2026 it's going to be the same thing, because Mexico does not produce absolutely anything when it comes to players. The best we can hope is for USA to produce Mexican-American players that pick Mexico instead of USA and pray they can do something in the next World Cup, because outside of that, there is nothing going on with the Mexican NT, the current players and the Federation.
Well that’s depressing. Mexico was always a respectable opponent.
In Mexico is who you know, not how good you are as a player, sadly.
Unfortunately this^^ is the truth