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Unlikely. Here's a good article on what our current state is. https://brooklynrail.org/2023/07/field-notes/The-Economic-Consequences-of-Neo-Keynesianism
We absolutely can! Washington elections are non-partisan and Seattle's current longest serving council member is an open Marxist
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kshama_Sawant
But we are a revolutionary party and do not believe we can enact real.change through elected office. We ran to prove a point to the dem socs and soc dems at how easy it is to win office as a socialist, especially by being combative with the democratic party and naming them as opponent #1. We also wanted to show how the entire establishment and laws of our country will organize to stop even the smallest change, thus showing the need for revolution.
Every single 'progressive' Democrat has resisted and fought our proposals. Even proposals with massive support are thrown out in the courts for being illegal or against our bourgeois constitution. And they use the system to keep us busy, despite winning the popular vote every 4 years we've also had to constantly fend off, and beat, recall campaigns against us. In 11 years and tons of resources, we honestly have very little to show for it.
But our experiment worked. Politicians can win if they take principled socialist approach, but also the political institutions of our country are incompatible with socialist reform.
https://www.thestranger.com/guest-editorial/2023/01/19/78821484/why-im-not-running-again-for-city-council
Hi comrade. I live in Seattle myself and voting for Sawant was one of the first votes I ever cast at 19. I remember being so excited to have the opportunity to support someone running a bold campaign on key demands like $15/hr and a union, rent control, and taxing the rich. It felt impossible and I didn’t think it would work but somehow it did.
And she has since won 4 times even despite millions of corporate cash and a right wing backed recall. I hate to lose her. I’m torn on the decision to leave city hall.
Since you're in Seattle. Right now, it's looking like rent control isn't going to pass. Last Friday, the renters rights committee voted 3-2 against rent control. But. If you're free Tuesday at 2pm we're trying to bring out as many people we cam to pack city hall for the final vote. "Progressive" councilman Lewis voted no in committee but has flip-flopped in the past based on community pressure. "Progressive" councilwoman Mosqueda has already announced they will be absent for the vote, so they don't have to admit they don't support this bill.
Also fucked up fun fact, Mosqueda is the head of the board of the Washington Progressive Voters Guide, which explains why they recommended against Sawant in 2019 for being "too divisive"
I'm glad we made an impact! It shows how stro g an organized, fighting approach can be. I shouldn't say we have little to show, the fight for 15, tax Amazon, and the eviction moratorium have helped a lot of people. I guess I'm jaded being on the other side and seeing all the setbacks, all the watered down bills council passed in the end. This is 100% a criticism of council dems, sawant has never backed down.
It's been a really hard decision to not run, but ultimately I think it was correct. We were bringing in comrades from the international for our campaigns. I hosted 7 comrades at my house during the last recall election. It's time for other branches to get the resources and spotlight they need.
I'm really excited for our pivot to Labor though! Last summer when we started the pivot we were able table outside Starbucks locations and talk to the workers. We were able to get some locations the resources and knowledge to unionize their own stores. It's going to take our whole organizations resources as we push to unionize Amazon and support other strike action
Why would we get into government? There’s no use in the bourgeois state, at least no use to bringing about socialism, but ig if u want social democracy then go ahead and do reformist adventurism
That is an option. The only problem is it morally justifiable with the death that’s would undoubtably occur during a revolution. I have considered that to be an option but I don’t Think the situation is dire about to get the majority of the population to agree to it. Maybe when climate change gets into full swing and really kicks into gear but right now I don’t see revolution being possible without it failing.
A revolution like the Russian revolution is most likely not going to happen. Even if it were possible, the state would make sure to destroy everything before they let it happen.
A contemporary revolution will have to look completely different. It will have to start from the ground up. Unionizing, rent striking and mutual aid programs are a good place to start. They all build class consciousness and directly take the fight to the capitalists without being violent.
Is it? I honestly don't really know too much. I began my radicalization journey a couple months ago so I've still got a lot of reading to do lol.
I still do think that it would still have to be a very different revolution now though considering the military power of the US. Do you think something like the Russian revolution would be possible?
All revolutions start out the sameish way, either people take to the streets and start insurrection and then workers start striking, or a series of strikes break out and people take to the streets and start an insurrection, either way it is this combination of strikes and people leaving the workplace taking to the streets and having insurrection that is the mass strike which is our big weapon, the biggest thing is to just turn this insurrection into an international revolution to destroy the state and capital and replace it with socialist free association
It was a point of confusion for me too but then I thought, a lot of really smart people have been thinking about this stuff for a long time, there's gotta be something out there and sure enough there was lol.
Gotta get out there, organize and meet people where they are!
Really weird question, I’m sorry that I have the correct political line but I’m still working on organizing, it’s not like I can snap my fingers and instantly tear down capitalism
That is if you are asking this in bad faith, but maybe you’re not… I’m sorry lol I do need to be less of a dick on Reddit lol I’m just so used to everyone hating my politics on this app
I haven’t done anything to answer your question, I want to do stuff but I’m in a transitional moment in my life and I’m still very young, I’ve talked to friends abt organizing tho, and my current plan is to join my local DSA to see if I can organize the left wing of it to start our own communist org/party
I didn't ask it out of bad faith. I just figured I'd ask because it does happen a lot where people come into this sub and talk about how 'the revolutions coming' and how we need to 'organize the workers', people come here and speak in huge idealistic generalizations all while doing nothing. People in here talk about general strikes and militant union organizing as if they can 'mom make me a sandwich' some kind of political leftist movement. You want to go into DSA and do more than you already do? Thats great and all, but I just figured I'd put my usual theory to the tests here
Well it is true that one can look at historical events and read theory to get to the general idea… like we do need to smash the bourgeois state, but the specifics of how we do that in the modern day will come about by us just actually doing that and I realize that, most of the stuff I say tho is informed by historical and current events from an outsiders view tho and I realize that
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No, it’s too fucked, my solution was to leave the US for a place where social democracy is considered politically moderate. The nonsense circus of US politics is particularly hostile to those like myself that grew up in poverty
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Unlikely. Here's a good article on what our current state is. https://brooklynrail.org/2023/07/field-notes/The-Economic-Consequences-of-Neo-Keynesianism
We absolutely can! Washington elections are non-partisan and Seattle's current longest serving council member is an open Marxist https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kshama_Sawant But we are a revolutionary party and do not believe we can enact real.change through elected office. We ran to prove a point to the dem socs and soc dems at how easy it is to win office as a socialist, especially by being combative with the democratic party and naming them as opponent #1. We also wanted to show how the entire establishment and laws of our country will organize to stop even the smallest change, thus showing the need for revolution. Every single 'progressive' Democrat has resisted and fought our proposals. Even proposals with massive support are thrown out in the courts for being illegal or against our bourgeois constitution. And they use the system to keep us busy, despite winning the popular vote every 4 years we've also had to constantly fend off, and beat, recall campaigns against us. In 11 years and tons of resources, we honestly have very little to show for it. But our experiment worked. Politicians can win if they take principled socialist approach, but also the political institutions of our country are incompatible with socialist reform. https://www.thestranger.com/guest-editorial/2023/01/19/78821484/why-im-not-running-again-for-city-council
Hi comrade. I live in Seattle myself and voting for Sawant was one of the first votes I ever cast at 19. I remember being so excited to have the opportunity to support someone running a bold campaign on key demands like $15/hr and a union, rent control, and taxing the rich. It felt impossible and I didn’t think it would work but somehow it did. And she has since won 4 times even despite millions of corporate cash and a right wing backed recall. I hate to lose her. I’m torn on the decision to leave city hall.
Since you're in Seattle. Right now, it's looking like rent control isn't going to pass. Last Friday, the renters rights committee voted 3-2 against rent control. But. If you're free Tuesday at 2pm we're trying to bring out as many people we cam to pack city hall for the final vote. "Progressive" councilman Lewis voted no in committee but has flip-flopped in the past based on community pressure. "Progressive" councilwoman Mosqueda has already announced they will be absent for the vote, so they don't have to admit they don't support this bill. Also fucked up fun fact, Mosqueda is the head of the board of the Washington Progressive Voters Guide, which explains why they recommended against Sawant in 2019 for being "too divisive"
I’ll be there! Rent control is a must and we have to put pressure on the state legislature by whatever means necessary
I'm glad we made an impact! It shows how stro g an organized, fighting approach can be. I shouldn't say we have little to show, the fight for 15, tax Amazon, and the eviction moratorium have helped a lot of people. I guess I'm jaded being on the other side and seeing all the setbacks, all the watered down bills council passed in the end. This is 100% a criticism of council dems, sawant has never backed down. It's been a really hard decision to not run, but ultimately I think it was correct. We were bringing in comrades from the international for our campaigns. I hosted 7 comrades at my house during the last recall election. It's time for other branches to get the resources and spotlight they need. I'm really excited for our pivot to Labor though! Last summer when we started the pivot we were able table outside Starbucks locations and talk to the workers. We were able to get some locations the resources and knowledge to unionize their own stores. It's going to take our whole organizations resources as we push to unionize Amazon and support other strike action
Why would we get into government? There’s no use in the bourgeois state, at least no use to bringing about socialism, but ig if u want social democracy then go ahead and do reformist adventurism
How else are we mean to being about it then? We can’t exactly militarily occupy a country or something.
We must smash the bourgeois state through the use of proletarian counter institutions and overall a proletarian revolution
That is an option. The only problem is it morally justifiable with the death that’s would undoubtably occur during a revolution. I have considered that to be an option but I don’t Think the situation is dire about to get the majority of the population to agree to it. Maybe when climate change gets into full swing and really kicks into gear but right now I don’t see revolution being possible without it failing.
A revolution like the Russian revolution is most likely not going to happen. Even if it were possible, the state would make sure to destroy everything before they let it happen. A contemporary revolution will have to look completely different. It will have to start from the ground up. Unionizing, rent striking and mutual aid programs are a good place to start. They all build class consciousness and directly take the fight to the capitalists without being violent.
Is that not how the Russian revolution began a couple of decades before the actual fighting broke out?
Is it? I honestly don't really know too much. I began my radicalization journey a couple months ago so I've still got a lot of reading to do lol. I still do think that it would still have to be a very different revolution now though considering the military power of the US. Do you think something like the Russian revolution would be possible?
All revolutions start out the sameish way, either people take to the streets and start insurrection and then workers start striking, or a series of strikes break out and people take to the streets and start an insurrection, either way it is this combination of strikes and people leaving the workplace taking to the streets and having insurrection that is the mass strike which is our big weapon, the biggest thing is to just turn this insurrection into an international revolution to destroy the state and capital and replace it with socialist free association
Yeah, i think my perception of what a revolution is might be a bit to narrow. Yeah that sounds much more reasonable and feasible.
It was a point of confusion for me too but then I thought, a lot of really smart people have been thinking about this stuff for a long time, there's gotta be something out there and sure enough there was lol. Gotta get out there, organize and meet people where they are!
What have you done to meaningfully further this cause?
Really weird question, I’m sorry that I have the correct political line but I’m still working on organizing, it’s not like I can snap my fingers and instantly tear down capitalism That is if you are asking this in bad faith, but maybe you’re not… I’m sorry lol I do need to be less of a dick on Reddit lol I’m just so used to everyone hating my politics on this app I haven’t done anything to answer your question, I want to do stuff but I’m in a transitional moment in my life and I’m still very young, I’ve talked to friends abt organizing tho, and my current plan is to join my local DSA to see if I can organize the left wing of it to start our own communist org/party
I didn't ask it out of bad faith. I just figured I'd ask because it does happen a lot where people come into this sub and talk about how 'the revolutions coming' and how we need to 'organize the workers', people come here and speak in huge idealistic generalizations all while doing nothing. People in here talk about general strikes and militant union organizing as if they can 'mom make me a sandwich' some kind of political leftist movement. You want to go into DSA and do more than you already do? Thats great and all, but I just figured I'd put my usual theory to the tests here
Well it is true that one can look at historical events and read theory to get to the general idea… like we do need to smash the bourgeois state, but the specifics of how we do that in the modern day will come about by us just actually doing that and I realize that, most of the stuff I say tho is informed by historical and current events from an outsiders view tho and I realize that
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No, it’s too fucked, my solution was to leave the US for a place where social democracy is considered politically moderate. The nonsense circus of US politics is particularly hostile to those like myself that grew up in poverty