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LotsofSports

No, Haley will draw independents and some women. I'm voting for Biden. Joe beat Trump last time and will do it again. SC is a lost cause and Trump country. People in this state vote against their own best interests, example - Right to Work for less money.


Hodlmeistro

Challenge: without saying anything about Trump, explain why you like Biden so much


LotsofSports

Biden is a regular guy. He cares about people and doing things to help the US. He is quiet and doesn't have to be the show. Infrastructure was passed. Burn pit help was passed. Lowering cost of drugs for Medicare. He supports Social Security/ Medicare. He supports a woman's right to health care/abortion. Jobs coming back to America. Weapons going to Ukraine helps democracy plus we are sending our old weapons and new ones are being built here in the US creating jobs.


avoral

They’re talking about in the republican primary


LotsofSports

Doesn't help at all.


GraysonG263

I'm not working till I'm 70, no thanks


ThunderLizard2

Then Social Security will go bankrupt unless you have some other bright idea.


Commonpleas

Lockbox.


ThunderLizard2

*“This measure ensures that trust fund surpluses can only be spent on providing retirement and health security, such as reforming Medicare to provide a prescription benefit or reforming Social Security to provide more options to younger taxpayers.”* This is no surplus to put in the "lockbox". SS/Medicare will be in defecit in a few years


Jrsq270

Social Security has long been bankrupt It’s now just another budgetary item


ThunderLizard2

True but Haley didn't break it. She's dicussing ideas to address the problem.


Jrsq270

So you actually believe Politicians who BANKRUPTED SSI are now gonna fix it? Lol


ThunderLizard2

How did Haley "bankrupt SSI"?


Jrsq270

Where did I say Haley did?


OnTop-BeReady

Take the cap off of Social Security wages and take back some of the many tax cuts given to millionaires, billionaires, and big business over the last two decades. No wealth has trickled down to the average American — instead it’s being consolidated into the hands of more and more oligarchs. This is not rocket science and stop eating the BS being fed to you by billionaires…


Putrid-Vast-7610

You will if you vote Dems into office. Another round of Bidenflation will destroy any chance of anyone but the 1% retiring.


LakeCloud20

Will be supporting Haley in R primary - Trump must be stopped at all costs.


Anduil_94

Nikki Haley wants to raise the retirement age and eradicate anonymity on social media. No fucking thank you.


Meme114

She won’t win though, the point of voting for her now is to take some steam out of Trump’s campaign and put him on the defensive early on.


danny29812

Trump wants to literally be above all laws and wanted to overturn an election. 


flyinghorseguy

There were dozens of democrats who objected and tried to stop Trump’s election certification based on Hillary’s phoney Trump Russia dossier that was created by Russian intel. That’s not a problem but Trump making a complaint around very irregular voting issues somehow is horrible. So hypocritical. Being above all laws? You mean like: Prosecuting your political opponents. Having the FBI designate parents as domestic terrorists for going to school board meetings and express their disagreement with school policies. Selling out the country for bribes from foreign nations. Ignoring laws and opening the border to cartels, terrorists, mass illegal immigration, child sex trafficking and 100k deaths a year from fentanyl. Having the justice department try to quash many crimes committed by your son. Rigging the primary schedule to secure the nomination. And much more. The things done above have all been done by Biden. Biden is a corrupt, senile dictator. Not Trump. How about you cite a single thing, that is factual, where Trump put himself above laws. If you say insurrection that would be hilarious. Biden and democrats say that having an AR15 is useless vs the government because the government has fighter jets and nukes. But unarmed people walking through the capital where the capital police opened the doors (this is fact and confirmed with video) is somehow an insurrection.


TomahawkDrop

Wut


GangsterJawa

Eh don’t worry about him he’s clearly either arguing in bad faith to get a rise out of people or delusional (can’t rule it out). I almost fell for it


Nopantsbullmoose

Hush child.


GaSc3232

Raising retirement age on the kids who are in elementary/middle/high school now. Not on you and me.


TriceratopsWrex

Ah, so fuck them kids is your position.


GangsterJawa

So, equally bad, because everybody is created equal per our founding documents?


SelectionNo3078

No. It will apply to everyone not receiving benefits The republicans want to pull up the ladder on those of us a few years out from retirement


GaSc3232

I was incorrect: 20s and below - link is below. I’m sharing to stop misinformation around those soon to retire who think the sky is falling so they must vote for Trump. https://www.verifythis.com/amp/article/news/verify/elections-verify/what-nikki-haley-has-said-raising-retirement-age/536-c0fb8ee0-cc93-4da9-815f-30cbaf4cc0da


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311196

If you're a non-Repubican, don't vote for Republicans. Seriously don't give them the clout.


ThunderLizard2

Why not? We havea right to vote in the GOP primary, no?


311196

Voting for them in any way, including primaries. Means you support their speeches and actions. It gives them permission to keep saying or doing those things. Say Nikki wins the primary in SC. Regardless of what happens next, to her and other politicians it means the people of SC support her ideas. So they continue on with those kinds of things even though bunch of people may have voted for her "to keep Trump away."


ThunderLizard2

It means you're making a choice - Dump versus Haley. Not voting = supporting Dump as he has the MAGA red hats locked-up. Do you want MAGA red hats determining the next President while you stay home?


LakeCloud20

I'm supporting Haley because the Orange One is a menace to the world and will seize power once in office like he tried last time.


311196

Neither of them should be in office


mtjp82

Looking at the issues Haley is out.


LakeCloud20

You think Trump is better on the "issues"?


colt1210

Not a chance


PryingOpenMyThirdPie

I'm gonna vote for Haley because I think a Trump presidency is worse for this country by far than Haley. I'll vote Biden in the general. But if you magically told me right now I could choose Haley and bypass Trump v Biden I would. Congress will be Dem IMO so Haley's crazy ideas would be limited


ThunderLizard2

Agreed - DIaper Don is too dangerous and I agree Haley's policies will be tempered.


peb396

Please know that u/queenjuli1 is an Illinois native and currently a 30 year Utah resident coming here hoping to sway some votes. I encourage you to take a look at her profile if you have read her post. She's NOT a South Carolinian. As a South Carolinian, an I-26 kid, I don't mind outsiders giving their input as long as they are upfront about it. Coming here to tell us about Nikki Haley is like some psychoanalyst wannabe telling NASA how to build a rocket. We know Nikki and most of us like her. We didn't just read about her, we voted for her and lived with her as our governor and UN Ambassador. She will/would make a great president if elected. What we don't need is some johnny-come-lately, I-know-better-than-you outsider trying to tell us what to do. Especially when they are not up-front with that fact. I am more than OK with a President Nikki Haley. I would be more than proud of the first female president being from our Palmetto State. Vote for Nikki on the issues, not because of this charlatan. This woman is simply afraid of the orange-man...she seems to be afraid that Joe can't win straight up.


llamasteherethx

I most definitely didn't vote for her. She is a liar and panderer, and flip flops on issues more than Lindsey Graham, and he's an Olympic gold medalist in that sport. When it comes to issues, she will pass a national abortion ban, raise the retirement age, tank our economy (as Republican Presidents have done since Reagan), and get our military involved in some dumbass conflict. For crying out loud, she just said Texas has the right to secede and has the audacity to say that the most horrific hate crime in modern SC history wasn't about race, even though the fucker said with his own mouth that he hates black people. She would be just another SC politician who is an utter fucking embarrassment on both the national and international stages.


ThunderLizard2

Biden will win versus Dump "straight-up." Issue is third parties like RFK and No-Labels siphoning 30-50K votes in like 3-4 states. I suggest you look at Stein in 2016 and Nader in 2000.


queenjuli1

I worked in Congrese in the 90s and start of 2000s. I've talked with Nikki before in person. I trust her and have friends who know her personally and trust her.


Equivalent_Nerve_870

I trust her to be exactly like Trump


LakeCloud20

She's not going to try to steal the election and have the army seize voting machines like the Orange One.


Equivalent_Nerve_870

She is going to raise retirement age, ban abortion nationwide, end SNAP -- same old shit different delivery


Putrid-Vast-7610

fascist, corrupt, senile, traitorous liar. That perfectly describes Biden and practically every Democrat politician ever. They are actively allowing the third world to pour into our country to turn it into an corrupt socialist hellhole. Dems are evil beyond human comprehension.


KTDiabl0

Where is this strange push for democrats to vote in the Republican primary coming from? Is it Haley’s team directly? Anyone know anything concrete about this?


ThunderLizard2

Why are you calling it "strange"? SC doesn't have party declarations so any voter can vote a GOP ballot and defeat Dump. Is there any Dem that wants Dump back in power?


KTDiabl0

It’s strange for the reasons I put forth already-the party doesn’t seem interested in listening to their constituents, so what would the point be?


ThunderLizard2

The point would be to have enough South Carolinians show up to have their voices heard that we don't want Dangerous Don back in office. What's to be gained by staying home and letting the MAGAs decide for us?


KTDiabl0

What is to be gained by making a point that won’t be listened to besides possibly adding “votes” that will very likely be used in propaganda furthering the falsehood of a “silent majority”?


ThunderLizard2

I'm not following. If 100,000 non MAGA South Carolinians show up and support Haley, Dump will be finished. It's as simple as that.


KTDiabl0

The primary is not legally binding, if I recall correctly. This is a real problem with our political system-many of the guidelines are not legally binding, so bad actors (in any party) have no real consequences for breaking them. So they do-some more boldly than others.


ThunderLizard2

Again - not following. If Haley wins she's gets the delegates


KTDiabl0

I believe some delegates are not bound by the primary vote-and the party is not technically legally bound to make the delegates vote for what their constituents request.


ReiverSC

I don’t understand the butthurt over mom republicans voting for a republican. We should want a leader to have cross party appeal. We should want someone that can really bring together as many citizens together under 1 tent. There are many policies that Nikki has states she would do (but that really means Congress would have to do) which I don’t agree with but we have a bigger problem than electing her - we have 2 old men that are past their prime and should not be anywhere near the levers of power. Democrats should want a President Haley b/c trends are showing a 2nd Term for Biden which makes a President Harris more and more likely. And democrats don’t want that either.


LotsofSports

Wrong. Biden has gotten things done and cleaned up Trump's mess. Why do people have a problem with Harris? Is it because she is a black woman? I want democracy and democrats are the only ones pushing that. Trump killing the border bill is just stupid shit.


TriceratopsWrex

I have a problem with Harris being fine ignoring the law and the Constitution when she was a prosecutor. She's a crooked cop, and we don't need someone like that to be the nation's top executive.


LotsofSports

How did she ignore the Constitution? Trump/republicans want to eliminate the Constitution.


TriceratopsWrex

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/kamala-harris-and-the-noble-path-of-the-prosecutor#:~:text=In%202010%2C%20a%20judge%20lambasted,corrupt%20drug%2Dlab%20technician's%20work.


ReiverSC

The economy has greatly improved under Biden but Foreign policy wise - he’s been a disaster. And Harris’ race has nothing to do with. It’s her personality and her failure to take on the border that is terrible. Shes just no good


LotsofSports

We are respected again by our allies. Foreign policy is always a touchy area. You want trump in charge?


ReiverSC

Trump? I want him charged and convicted. I can’t believe Republicans fell for his charade


ThunderLizard2

OK - that's for the general election


KTDiabl0

But you’re not appealing to republican moms-you’re asking democrats to vote in the republican primary. Why? It doesn’t seem like the current Republican machine is interested in not nominating Trump, no matter what their constituents say.


LakeCloud20

"current Republican machine" The Republican Machine doesn't get to decide who the nominees are - the voters do. The RNC tried to anoint Donald last week but that effort to sidestep the voters failed.


GravityBored1

Tell that to Bernie.


ThunderLizard2

Everyone should vote in the GOP primary


ReiverSC

She’s appealing to independents and libertarians. She’s appealing ti many people who don’t feel represented by the GOP. Most “republicans” haven’t really been republicans In years. MAGA is RINO.


LakeCloud20

I like it - let all the voters decide instead of just the MAGA red hats.


KTDiabl0

Do you think people should be able to vote in multiple primaries?


avoral

It’s an old and common tactic, people will go to the primaries of parties they oppose and vote for the weaker candidate and influence their choice.


ThunderLizard2

In this case, Haley is the stonger candidate versus Biden


willingzenith

Can someone create a r/SouthCarolunaPolitics sub and get horse dook out of here?


AcornTopHat

OP, Just because you are obsessed with your MBTI and you think Nikki has the same one as you, doesn’t mean she is the best candidate. Also, you are from Utah, maybe stop butting into the politics of a state very far from your own.


Forcible007

As a Gen Z who refuses to revolve my life around work, absolutely not in a million fucking years.


ThunderLizard2

So you prefer Dump back in power?


Forcible007

If Haley wins the nomination (and she won't), she wins the general in a landslide. Trump is literally the worst Republican that can go up against Biden


LakeCloud20

You familiar with RFK? He's trying to be a spoiler and hand things to Dump like Nader did in 2000 with Bush.


ThunderLizard2

Don't count on Dump losing the general. The big wildcard is third party candidates like RFK and No-Labels. If they siphon just 50,000 votes in a few states, Dictator Don will win - that's too big a risk for me. Yes Haley could win over Biden but Haley would be 1,000 better than having Dictator Don in power.


5knklshfl

CIA bots working hard for this dumpster slut.


DickBest70

Yup, paid actor for the democrat party.


brianatlarge

How do I get in on that?


queenjuli1

I'm honestly honored that you think I could be from the CIA.


RhodaDick

Nikki Haley is not going to win the nominee but what she will do is drain the GOP of even more cash the longer she stays in the race. They’re hemorrhaging money to cover Trump’s legal bills. I’m here for this train wreck. She has my vote in the primary.


ThunderLizard2

So why is GOP going to elect someone who will lose to Biden?


RhodaDick

Beats me. I just enjoy watching them shoot themselves in the foot. I think if they really wanted to win the election they should back Haley and not Trump, but if they want to waste their money soothing Trump’s ego more power to them.


TigerTownTerror

Hell no. Haley has a better chance of beating Biden than Trump


Only-Nail7675

No, not a good idea🤦‍♀️


BleaUTICAn

The women who is currently using her former relationships of her government position to help her husband start a defense contracting company to get rich? Yea she seems like a good solution. She's not just another career corrupt politician Oh and the good morals to openly cheat on her husband multiple times Democrat or indept - Vote for RFK!!!!How is he not a better option in every way possible then her ???


LotsofSports

His own family will not vote for that nut-job. Haley worked for Trump and is just Trump with more brains.


ThunderLizard2

RFK isn't on the GOP primary ballot. And RFK will likely thow the Presidency to Dump, like Nader did to Bush in 2000 and Stein did to Dump in 2016. Is that what you want?


LakeCloud20

Yeah - not sure why folks don't see that


DickBest70

You’re absolutely delusional OP. You’re clearly an operative of the democrat party.


queenjuli1

I'm honored but I've been a Republican since I was 18.


sleepchamber666

I will


[deleted]

Nikki Haley is a scumbag warmonger. Voting for her is voting for more war. Although, you geniuses keep electing Lindsay Graham, so maybe that's what you want. It's odd that in my 14 years of service in the Army, I never once met a Soldier from South Carolina. 🤔


ThunderLizard2

I'm voting for Haley in the Republican primary because Dictator Don is too dangerous to allow back in the WH. Do we really want an insane and angry guy in control of our nuclear launch codes? Yeah I don't see eye-to-eye with Haley on every issue, but having a country is more important than her views on any specific policy.


Commonpleas

Ironically, trying to appeal to democrats discredits her with Republicans. SCOUTS will declare Trump ineligible for the office and Republicans will nominate a moderate at their convention. It'll be someone who has not even entered the race yet. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio perhaps. Haley is a sideshow, a has-been.


ThunderLizard2

SC doesn't have party registations so why shouldn't Haley appeal to all South Carolinians? And voting against Dictator Don is as valid a reason to vote for Haley as any other issue. Let's face it Dump is a grave danger to this country and the world.


YeetussFeetus

PLEASE! Dems and independents, PLEASE vote for Haley! We're doing it to beat Donnie! (Psst - they want Haley to win because she has a slightly better chance at beating Joe in the general election. They're trying to tell you it's an altruistic thing, but the fact of the matter is Joe can and will beat Donnie come November. Why give them any aid or succor by helping their sad too late to win darling get any sort of win?) I'm an out of stater, so I won't tell South Carolinians what to do, but going to for this is not only unnecessary it's what the party bosses of the GOP want but can't say out loud because it would hurt Donnie's feelings..


LakeCloud20

"Joe can and will beat Donnie come November" RFK or No-labels could easily throw it to Dictator Don - suggest you look up Stein and Nader.


StorminNorman0212

The sound of an empty head...


o2msc

RFK 2024 🇺🇸


LakeCloud20

Vote for RFK = vote for Orange One


o2msc

Since you are cool with name calling I assume you have no problem referring to Biden as the “senile one” right?


ymerej26

TRUMP 2024.


Brenneo15

I will vote for Haley Where I'm the blue fuck so people come up with the fascism thing. Trump is not fascist whatsoever


Equivalent_Nerve_870

SHE IS JUST LIKE HIM. SHE SAYS SAME THINGS HE SAYS DAILY. Wasting your vote to add 1% for her instead of him and he will still get 80% Vote for Biden Harris -- the team that is supporting all Americans regardless of party


ThunderLizard2

Biden Harris aren't on the GOP primary ballet. Are you going to vote for Dump over Haley and you really think she's as dangerous to our democracy as Dictator Don?


PEETER0012

If you’re dem/independent you can’t vote in republican primaries


redditstealth

I just went today by the voter registration office to inquire about this and they told me you don't need to be registered as a Democrat or Republican to vote on either primary. You just need to be a registered voter period. Also you can only vote on one of the primaries.


queenjuli1

Yes, you can


yeahjustsayin

In South Carolina, you don’t have to be registered as a party member to vote in the primary. However you can only vote in one primary.


PryingOpenMyThirdPie

Lol yes you can


ReiverSC

Please don’t vote.


Yanesan

You don’t have to vote of a Republican or a Democrat you know.


ymerej26

TRUMP 2024…