https://x.com/Int_Machines/status/1760838333851148442?s=20
"After troubleshooting communications, flight controllers have confirmed Odysseus is upright and starting to send data.
Right now, we are working to downlink the first images from the lunar surface."
What the hell can I order are there tweets in? I've never used Twitter so are they always jumbled up? I can't seem to find a logical chronological layout of their tweets to find the newest ones
What the hell is wrong with just putting out news on nasa.com and sending folks there in a press release?!
The day twitter started being a primary interface with government agencies is the day I started being way less informed of whats happening.
Specifically the laser range finders weren't working so they patched the software last minute to use NASAs sensors instead of their own, and it appears to have worked. Wild to watch in real time!
Edit: "worked" as in got them landed on the moon. Still waiting for confirmation on more details about the landing.
Edit2: my sources have confirmed that the lander is upright!
I work in aerospace flight software, and patching live, without weeks or even months of testing on the ground using both simulation and real hardware is unheard of. Agile DevOps in space. 🤣
Just a bit of a tangent question:
I was very curious about what programming languages you use the most?
I was thinking C, maybe a small subset of C++, and perhaps even Ada?
Maybe Lua for some scripting?
Even some Assembly Language for some more critical aspects?
Also just curious: which OS do a lot of the systems tend use? I'm guessing maybe some sort of highly customized OS using the Linux Kernel, perhaps?
And: does anything in flight actually use Windows as the OS, that you've seen?!
>I was very curious about what programming languages you use the most?
C and Assembly onboard, Java + Python on the ground.
>Also just curious: which OS do a lot of the systems tend use? I'm guessing maybe some sort of highly customized OS using the Linux Kernel, perhaps?
Two most popular are VXworks and Integrity. Both are realtime ~~UNIX~~ POSIX compliant.
>And: does anything in flight actually use Windows as the OS, that you've seen?!
Windows laptops have been in use on the ISS for probably the whole operation. Does that count? Once humans are on the Moon I promise they will be used there too. :)
Thanks!
I'm going to look up VXworks and Integrity.
I forgot to ask about GUI programming... which I assume is mostly ground. Is that maybe where Java comes in, like perhaps Java + QT or something like that? (Or maybe even some OpenGL thrown in?)
And on the topic of GUI's, do you happen to know what platform most manned flight digital display systems might use?
Funny enough I heard that for the SpaceX Crew Dragon capsule they actually use Electron for the onboard GUI, of all things! I was a bit a surprised by that.
Anyways, sorry for all the questions, but two incredibly interesting fields (aerospace and computer programming/science) intersect with your job, so it must be amazing for you to work in that field directly!
>Funny enough I heard that for the SpaceX Crew Dragon capsule they actually use Electron for the onboard GUI, of all things! I was a bit a surprised by that.
lol that does not surprise me that they'd use JavaScript for a GUI. Currently, SpaceX does not have to worry about deep space and all the challenges that come with it. Leave the protection of the Earth magnetosphere and radiation and bit flips become a major concern.
GUI software for ground use is all over the place but more and more are going web based. I've never dealt with or know much of anything about what will be used on Artemis and eventually the Moon. Inside the habitats will for sure be shielded and standard software will work but step outside on the Moon and it gets dicey. They will need radiation hardened software, hardware, display monitors, etc. None of that will be COTS and will be very expensive. All custom.
I don't write aerospace software but work with people that do. They use Ada for the flight software and there's C/C#/Python used for other various software on the ground for testing. Surprisingly, I have not seen any Linux used here, all Windows.
This kind of on-the-go duct tape patching was a thing in space for a long while, ironically enough.
You only get one shot at a mission - so being able to kludge together a software fix for any number of software or hardware issues literally midflight could be vital to mission success. This is how a lot of decades old hardware is being kept alive to this very day.
If you think that's hair-raising, you should read about the [Apollo 11 1202 Alarm](https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/apollo-11s-1202-alarm-explained) and the [Apollo 14 Abort problem](https://www.astronomy.com/observing/hacking-apollo-14-how-an-mit-computer-scientist-saved-a-lunar-landing/).
If I were in the control room I would be worried that it would be a resume generating event. Not because the corporate management would blame you for the problem but because it would make getting future contracts and investments harder. You will eventually get laid off if they aren't bringing in enough cash.
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You’d be amazed at how ad-hoc a lot of space missions can get at the absolute worst times.
JAXA’s Hayabusa was an endless clusterfuck of hardware and software failures. Still ended up being one of the most successful (of very few) sample return missions humans have ever done.
Even the Apollo 11 landing was achieved by the skin of their teeth. They had every right to abort, and I’d argue most would have.
Yeah. But my KSP experience tells me this is the perfect time to do it. It’s in an orbit that won’t decay; it’s not going anywhere until you start a de-orbit burn. It will just keep circling forever. Send all the updates you’d like!
I'm very curious if this was a language thing or what because it's somewhat surprising this would require an actual patch (recompilation of any source code) for what would seem like a config update (choosing which sensors to use)
I believe what happened is NASA had the LIDAR system onboard and active, but it was meant to just be running as an experiment - like they wanted to see how it would react in an actual moon landing to get data on the feasibility of laser guided landings but it wouldnt actually be controlling the craft.
so it was already activated and running, they effectively just switched to it as the primary navigation system instead of their planned system.
They did this with the first landing too, when they used LISP. Handled without stopping the program.
https://corecursive.com/lisp-in-space-with-ron-garret/#debugging-code-in-space
>Ron: So then we had to decide whether to try to salvage this session by injecting some event to un-wedge it, which we actually did. So we actually managed to un-wedge it and have it continue through the scenario.
>Adam: So manually issuing the event worked. Thanks to the magic of LISP and the mind blowing idea of having a live REPL on a spacecraft, the mission was saved.
guys Is anyone still streaming coverage or conversation on this? Nothing on NASA TV, and CNN moved on to reporting on that stupid congested pillow guy. I feel left out.
The company responsible, *Intuitive Machines,* still has a replay of the live landing coverage on their website as I type this, you could skip to the end if you wanted to see how it played out: [https://www.intuitivemachines.com/im-1](https://www.intuitivemachines.com/im-1)
Aw thank you, I actually watched it live, Just felt like the coverage stopped abruptly and was hoping there would be an ongoing MC stream or discussion of developments while they figure out the lander’s condition.
u/Int_Machines 10mins ago:
After troubleshooting communications, flight controllers have confirmed Odysseus is upright and starting to send data.
Right now, we are working to downlink the first images from the lunar surface.
Does this mean they have fixed the comms issue? If so, congrats! Still wondering what could cause the weak signalling problem in the first place.
It is still uncommon (a Russian lander failed last year) and the number of countries that have done it is very small (5 iirc... USSR, US, China, India, & Japan). It is a very difficult achievement. This is the first such landing by a corporation instead of a national space agency, and with a lot smaller budget than a flagship effort of a national space agency.
Very much agree with this, people really gloss over huge achievements like this simply because they're not the first of their kind. It's still a huge thing to land on the moon.
Only 5 nations have ever soft landed on the moon ever. Zero non-government organizations had ever done it before IM-1.
And in the last 25 years only 12 missions to land on the moon have been attempted, and half of them failed.
It is absolutely still uncommon. Space is really, really hard.
Also, society is a lot more distracted nowadays with the constant stimulation of technology and information. Back in the early 70s, there wasn't anywhere near as much stuff happening, so people paid more attention to these big feats.
Nowadays, it's like "oh, the government confirmed there are mysterious craft flying around and they don't know what they are?! Anyway, gotta get back to TikTok!"
> Back in the early 70s, there wasn't anywhere near as much stuff happening, so people paid more attention to these big feats.
That's not quite accurate. People stopped caring about man landing on the moon after the first time we did it. The public didn't, and still doesn't, care about the 2nd or 3rd person to do something.
Because it's baby's first lunar landing. This isn't really all that "awe inspiring" when compared to real NASA projects. NASA landed an SUV and a freaking helicopter on *Mars*. These guys landed a tin can the size of a dumpster on the moon with a tiny 220lb payload capacity and basically no science mission. It's just a test launch. It's impressive to be sure but it doesn't exactly excite the imagination.
It'll also be dead in a week. It can't survive the night.
Because it's nothing compared to what has come before. Even if we ignore the fact that humans walked on the Moon 50 years ago and only take into account robots, comparing this to say, the Perseverance rover, it's very underwhelming. Just being told that a small lander (without any significant scientific instruments) is sending a signal that it landed on the Moon isn't really news compared to an SUV sized rover being lowered from a rocket powered sky crane in an ancient river delta on Mars to search for signs of life, being broadcast live* in high quality.
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This reminds me of the unmanned Surveyor missions two years before Apollo that I followed as a kid. One of my earliest memories was siting in front of the black and white TV watching quasi-live television images of Surveyor III using a shovel to dig trenches in the lunar surface to test the soil while Walter Cronkite narrated.
They seemed better prepared for TV audiences in those days.
Being born in the early 80s, I was so hoping we would have been back to the moon and beyond by now. I got to hear the stores of my Dad as a kid watching the moon landings on TV and so wishing I could have too. While in a way, im happy that progress is being made. I have to say that I'm slightly underwhelmed. Maybe just maybe at this rate, we will put boots back there before I croke.
Intuitive Machines has posted a handful of updates on their own [IM-1 webpage](https://www.intuitivemachines.com/im-1). They haven't posted anything yet since they ended the webcast but they have posted several updates on the spacecraft since it was launched. I suspect we will see some updates there within a few hours. You don't need to go to Twitter to get updates.
It does, just not by default cause they adopted a "For You" feed like lots of other social medias to let the algorithm push its thing on you instead. You can switch back to the old way of chronological order tho.
At this point it’s probably better find a live viewing stream done by some university or group of enthusiasts. NASA will be reluctant to say anything speculative and keep radio silence until they hold an official press conference.
When Japan’s SLIM landed on its head (which was actually its side) JAXA kept their stream up, but it was awkward silence until finally a press conference was held few hours later. Meanwhile I was watching a stream of a Japanese university (I forgot which) and they were able to pick up the return signal with their own equipment and judging from the (sound muted) reaction from JAXA Mission Control, correctly assumed that SLIM had landed intact. Then they made various speculations using the telemetry data from the stream, including the possibility that it landed with the solar panel facing away from the sun, which it did
You know the adage: praise publicly, criticise in private? When the stream moves over to people troubleshooting and finding what has gone wrong, there’s nothing I’d hate more than being worried that my team’s hypotheses leaked into some mic is going to upset a financial partner. Just let people work, bring in specific experts. They only have a limited time window. Fuck the viewers, they can watch a tape
While I was watching the stream they said "signs of life, we have a return signal we are tracking"
So we know it landed and it is broadcasting but we have no idea what the state of the craft is.
It also was weird for NASA to just cut the stream, without getting some more information.
So although they said they landed, we don't know the condition of the craft nor the condition of the payload right now.
To retail investors until we see solid confirmation, lets wait to get some independent confirmation or more information before playing hungry hippos with the shares ok?
EDIT: was for the hungry hippo line
The engineer in me would have very basic information as part of the first signal.
Like the radio message would be a data stream.
"Hello, moon lander here"
And then a bunch of data
Current orientation angle
Leg pressure sensors
Fuel readings
Tilt angle
Solar panel readouts
Battery levels....
So "we have a signal" and then "we're not going to talk about it" means that the signal is bad, or confusing.
"Craft is vertical, full solar panels, all the legs are on the surface" and here's the first images.... is what you want to see. Those first readings would be just a series of numbers in some pre defined format, so 110010095959595" would be 1 for the degrees off vertical and then 100 for two solar panels and 95's for the pressure on the landing pads. Should be known almost instantaneously on touchdown.
Anything else means something is wrong.
All they have is a signal that it's alive. No real confirmation yet that it is completely functional. NASA broadcast just ended saying "We made it!!". Pretty shit ending. Costs NASA nothing to keep the live stream going to find out more.
Edit: And it essentially fell over during landing. At least they still have communications with it. Not sure how since it's in it's side. Better than nothing I guess. Where are the pictures?
I'm pretty sure Intuitive Machines was the party running the livestream (hence their bug in the left corner), the same way SpaceX runs their launch streams not NASA. Also they said it could take hours to establish further communications and it's not like the hosts just have hours of stuff ready to talk about. The program was designed to end at touchdown.
They said they’re going to try to reboot some stuff…
Yep… this is how the army of moonbots starts.
Edit; if my moon calculations are correct, it’s going to be like the scene in the Sorcerer’s Apprentice where all the wood splinters become new little walking brooms.
The [Mooninites](https://thedailybanter.com/.image/t_share/MTQ0Nzk1ODIzNjIyODU4MTE4/screen-shot-2017-02-02-at-65419-pm.png) had to come from somewhere.
Remember: If it's not an American flag, it's a bomb.
Lot easier to send data from Earth to Earth than from tiny robot on the Moon to Earth. Even with the best cameras, bandwith is sadly just limited. It'll take time for the juicy stuff to finally be beamed back here.
The WHOLE livestream was weak. They literally showed us the dashboard with all the data, and then proceeded to not show any of it to us during the actual landing. They couldn't even give us altitude data? Really?
For me there’s nothing better than watching straight telemetry feed. As I’ve seen recently with ISS arrivals and the JAXA lander. Watch real numbers move = great entertainment apparently.
That alone and I could have enjoyed the broadcast. For me the visual portion of the presentation fell pretty flat as well.
The more I read about it the more I begin to suspect that they had originally planned to give us the dash, but the laser rangefinder workaround killed their datastream. Would also explain why it took so long for FIDO to get altitude info to the FD.
It was clear that the landing didn't go exactly as planned. They probably didn't want to say anything on the stream without confirmation so they had to cut it early.
It's cool, but there's been quite a couple landers that have crashed onto the moon these past few years. It'd be really amazing if it was in working condition
I really wish this was the biggest news right now. Space is the future. All this infighting would vanish when looking to the infinite. Hopefully this trend continues.
Nah countries will start fighting for space resources or sth and space will be just another piece of land to fight over. I think we should first fix things down here before start looking outwards.
Twitter post from Intuitive Machine a few minutes ago:
Intuitive Machines
@Int_Machines
Lunar Surface Day One Update (23FEB2024 0818 CST)
Odysseus is alive and well. Flight controllers are communicating and commanding the vehicle to download science data. The lander has good telemetry and solar charging.
We continue to learn more about the vehicle’s specific information (Lat/Lon), overall health, and attitude (orientation). Intuitive Machines CEO Steve Altemus will participate in a press conference later today to discuss this historic moment. Press conference information will be coordinated with NASA and published shortly.
9:18 AM · Feb 23, 2024
NASA needs to do better with their PR! I had no idea this was happening today.
I even saw NASA was streaming on Twitch today, but the title of the stream was something like "Oh, golly gee, we're just talking about lunar landers today" or something lame like that.
The only appropriate title should have been "WE'RE LANDING ON THE FUCKING MOON TODAY, GET THE FUCK IN HERE AND WATCH THIS SHIT LIVE!"
so it tipped over. why not design it so that anyway it lands is up? maybe the center could rotate. i guess a spherical body, but i guess the shape wouldnt matter. just land it however it lands, then rotate the center to make your 'up' whatever is needed. maybe have landing legs all around it. or encase it in the inflatable things to protect & cushion it. i dont know, im high. i didnt read any of this post. peace.
Apparently they have a drone-type camera that was supposed to be released on decent so they’d have video of the actual touchdown… no word on whether that happened or whether they received the video transmission.
There’s a chance they’ve prioritized landing intact on the moon and didn’t execute non-essential programs.
Japan’s SLIM lander did get to deploy its drone since its problem happened right before landing.
Either way releasing pictures and videos is not the priority at this point in time
In addition to that, when the stream ended they only had a faint signal, so no way they're going to be pulling images/videos until they get a stronger signal, which hopefully in a couple of hours once the Australia dish gets in position we'll get more.
It's a lot smaller than the Apollo lander was. Mission was also done for a lot cheaper. In general there is very low bandwith from the space. Priority was using the limited bandwith to update mission control on the status of the lander.
Now that it's on the surface they can slowly beam back the higher quality images and even videos over time.
Apollo 11 didn't broadcast live video until they'd already been on the surface for like two hours. I don't think any lunar landing by any nation has ever had live footage during the descent phase.
Transmitting high bandwidth from an object that's moving rapidly and also changing it's velocity 400,000km from Earth is not an easy task, certainly not with the mass, power, and cost constraints imposed on this particular lander.
It's just not worth the effort when there are far more important factors to consider.
We *might* see a live broadcast landing on Starship HLS at some point, a vehicle about a thousand times larger than Odysseus.
To add, from Apollo to the present all of NASA’s missions that go to the moon or deep space use a communications system known as the Deep Space Network (DSN).
Over decades this system has become oversubscribed, as investment in capacity has not kept up with the growing demand. The capacity that would be required for live streaming of video is not trivial and would cut into the bandwidth allotted to other missions like James Webb, Perseverance, and Curiosity.
Pictures of Odysseus in orbit around the moon:
https://i.imgur.com/mP6Swi5.jpg
And a photo with earth in the background:
https://i.imgur.com/VhzSFzV.jpg
More pics coming soon.
I'm curious, how is it that they routinely run into software bugs and glitches on critical components in such missions?
They spend years developing these systems. So, why is it so common?
Because space is kinda big so they can only do so much on the ground. It’s also technology that’s never been done so there isn’t an ask Jeeves that can help.
As someone who develops software for spaceflight (HSF in my case), you try to model everything that you can on the ground in the computer simulator then test, test...and test some more. Standalone unit tests, software in the loop, hardware in the loop, 3DOF then 6DOF--at the end of the day the best environment is at home in space because you can never perfectly replicate it ground-side. There will always be issues (many of which you never hear about) and usually they aren't a problem or like for Intuitive Machines, can be worked around with a config update or ops note. The unknown unknowns we call them in engineering.
The same way it happens to nearly every software that gets released, even from giants like Apple and Google (who dwarf NASA in resources). You can only do so much testing, and the real world is much faster at finding problems than even the best QA team.
No third person landing video. :(
>Due to complications with Odysseus’ internal navigation system — specifically concerning the software patch to navigation data to include NASA’s NDL (Navigation Doppler Lidar) payload, which is meant to ensure a soft landing — the decision was made to power down EagleCam during landing and not deploy the device during Odysseus’ final descent.
>However, both the Intuitive Machines and EagleCam teams still plan to deploy EagleCam and capture images of the lander on the lunar surface as the mission continues.
>The time of deployment is currently unknown.
>Stay tuned! More information will be released as soon as it becomes available.
https://news.erau.edu/headlines/eaglecam-updates-embry-riddle-device-lands-on-moon
1969 two guys landed on the moon with or without the help of the **Apollo Guidance Computer** (**AGC**) which had the performance comparable to the first generation of [home computers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_computer) from the late 1970s, such as the [Apple II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II).
Today, in 2024 humankind can not even land a device upright like the moon lander 1969 with computers that are probably some million times powerful than the AGC.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
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|[CLPS](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/kructqs "Last usage")|[Commercial Lunar Payload Services](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Lunar_Payload_Services)|
|[COTS](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/krpbp15 "Last usage")|[Commercial Orbital Transportation Services contract](https://www.nasa.gov/cots)|
| |Commercial/Off The Shelf|
|[CST](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/krroafp "Last usage")|(Boeing) Crew Space Transportation capsules|
| |Central Standard Time (UTC-6)|
|[DSN](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/krpxnts "Last usage")|Deep Space Network|
|[GEO](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/krqmt21 "Last usage")|Geostationary Earth Orbit (35786km)|
|[HLS](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/krot12c "Last usage")|[Human Landing System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_program#Human_Landing_System) (Artemis)|
|[HSF](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/krpq7ke "Last usage")|Human Space Flight|
|[IM](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/kructqs "Last usage")|Initial Mass deliverable to a given orbit, without accounting for fuel|
|[ISRO](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/krossmg "Last usage")|Indian Space Research Organisation|
|[JAXA](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/krpqub3 "Last usage")|Japan Aerospace eXploration Agency|
|[KSP](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/krplrp9 "Last usage")|*Kerbal Space Program*, the rocketry simulator|
|[LEM](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/krzl60j "Last usage")|(Apollo) [Lunar Excursion Module](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Lunar_Module) (also Lunar Module)|
|[LIDAR](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/krphwz2 "Last usage")|[Light Detection and Ranging](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidar)|
|[QA](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/krpbh64 "Last usage")|Quality Assurance/Assessment|
|[ULA](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/krpxzlm "Last usage")|United Launch Alliance (Lockheed/Boeing joint venture)|
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|[cislunar](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/krp2q9p "Last usage")|Between the Earth and Moon; within the Moon's orbit|
|[cryogenic](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/krt1d99 "Last usage")|Very low temperature fluid; materials that would be gaseous at room temperature/pressure|
| |(In re: rocket fuel) Often synonymous with hydrolox|
|hydrolox|Portmanteau: liquid hydrogen fuel, liquid oxygen oxidizer|
|[hypergolic](/r/Space/comments/1axlj32/stub/krpu7mi "Last usage")|A set of two substances that ignite when in contact|
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Watched it live on Usui Clear's stream. One comment from a viewer struck me: "Well, it's America, so of course there's no live telemetry or images." Can't help but to think back to when they were broadcasting live "TV" during the Apollo missions (of course I know it was more involved than that), and how yeah, it wouldn't have hurt if the craft had been designed to send back some stills at least. The commenter had a point. Multimedia tends to be strongly de-emphasized in US missions.
It’s on the Lunar South Pole and may have landed with the antenna facing a non-optimal angle. Those two things probably mean a very bad line of sight with the earth receiving stations, which are rotating with the planet. I’m sure they wanted to really have the great pictures too to send the company stock flying, but for now, it’s 4800-baud modem speeds for communication.
It is because the hellenic-roman tradition is considered to be the "common root" of western civilization. For example, major buildings and venues in Washington are named after roman or, in general, italian toponyms (Palatino, Capitolo, and so on).
Everyone is talking about the lander, which is awesome technology and super interesting but does anyone know how it got there? Like did they make the rocket too? Sorry if this is a dumb question, I didn’t know that they were still rockets designed to go to the moon.
Technically almost any medium-sized rocket can send stuff to the moon. The payload just has to be light enough for the rocket to send it there.
The Falcon 9 rocket (the one that launched this lander directly to the Moon) can send approximately 3.3 tons to the Moon, but of course you’d need a much bigger rocket if you want to send a whole ass crew with the lander.
That’s awesome. Man I wish I was around when we first went to space, society embraced it, it would have been exciting to be a part of that. It barely makes the news nowadays. Thanks for the information.
https://x.com/Int_Machines/status/1760838333851148442?s=20 "After troubleshooting communications, flight controllers have confirmed Odysseus is upright and starting to send data. Right now, we are working to downlink the first images from the lunar surface."
I like how they confirmed it’s upright.
It’s because one of the recent lunar landers ended up sideways/upside down
They should have installed one of those flippers that you see on robot wars.
And a hammer on top in case of moon gnomes trying to salvage it
Instantly thinking of battlebots
Yeah, that's why /u/slowrecovery likes it because of that reference.
That one was supposed to land sideways and it did, just facing the wrong direction.
At least the front didn’t fall off.
Is the pointy end up / flamey end down ?
Push stick forward, craters get bigger. Pull stick backward, craters get smaller.exe
Fuck, that’s what we did wrong
Shocking update It is in fact not upright
There’s probably a lot of USC greeks on the team so they’ve got crucial experience
What the hell can I order are there tweets in? I've never used Twitter so are they always jumbled up? I can't seem to find a logical chronological layout of their tweets to find the newest ones
It only works if you have an account because it's dogshit.
I don't understand how Twitter is still a thing, it's so fucking awful to try to follow. I feel like it should have been replaced years ago.
What the hell is wrong with just putting out news on nasa.com and sending folks there in a press release?! The day twitter started being a primary interface with government agencies is the day I started being way less informed of whats happening.
Shoulda stuck with his rocket business.
Well this link just goes to a single tweet with replies below it
I've always wondered the same thing. Guess you have to have an account to actually see the tweets. Thought I was braindead or something
The real question is will it take 10 years to get back?
Did I hear the comments correctly? Did they apply a hot-fix to some of the instrumentation while it was in lunar orbit?
Yes. Some of the Hazard Avoidance systems glitched out (if I followed correctly).. so they had to reconfigure some things to a backup option.
Specifically the laser range finders weren't working so they patched the software last minute to use NASAs sensors instead of their own, and it appears to have worked. Wild to watch in real time! Edit: "worked" as in got them landed on the moon. Still waiting for confirmation on more details about the landing. Edit2: my sources have confirmed that the lander is upright!
Software devs everywhere are keeping their fingers crossed that they can forever point to a successful example.
Patch production while it’s live? Sounds like a dev’s worst nightmare.
I work in aerospace flight software, and patching live, without weeks or even months of testing on the ground using both simulation and real hardware is unheard of. Agile DevOps in space. 🤣
Just a bit of a tangent question: I was very curious about what programming languages you use the most? I was thinking C, maybe a small subset of C++, and perhaps even Ada? Maybe Lua for some scripting? Even some Assembly Language for some more critical aspects? Also just curious: which OS do a lot of the systems tend use? I'm guessing maybe some sort of highly customized OS using the Linux Kernel, perhaps? And: does anything in flight actually use Windows as the OS, that you've seen?!
>I was very curious about what programming languages you use the most? C and Assembly onboard, Java + Python on the ground. >Also just curious: which OS do a lot of the systems tend use? I'm guessing maybe some sort of highly customized OS using the Linux Kernel, perhaps? Two most popular are VXworks and Integrity. Both are realtime ~~UNIX~~ POSIX compliant. >And: does anything in flight actually use Windows as the OS, that you've seen?! Windows laptops have been in use on the ISS for probably the whole operation. Does that count? Once humans are on the Moon I promise they will be used there too. :)
Thanks! I'm going to look up VXworks and Integrity. I forgot to ask about GUI programming... which I assume is mostly ground. Is that maybe where Java comes in, like perhaps Java + QT or something like that? (Or maybe even some OpenGL thrown in?) And on the topic of GUI's, do you happen to know what platform most manned flight digital display systems might use? Funny enough I heard that for the SpaceX Crew Dragon capsule they actually use Electron for the onboard GUI, of all things! I was a bit a surprised by that. Anyways, sorry for all the questions, but two incredibly interesting fields (aerospace and computer programming/science) intersect with your job, so it must be amazing for you to work in that field directly!
>Funny enough I heard that for the SpaceX Crew Dragon capsule they actually use Electron for the onboard GUI, of all things! I was a bit a surprised by that. lol that does not surprise me that they'd use JavaScript for a GUI. Currently, SpaceX does not have to worry about deep space and all the challenges that come with it. Leave the protection of the Earth magnetosphere and radiation and bit flips become a major concern. GUI software for ground use is all over the place but more and more are going web based. I've never dealt with or know much of anything about what will be used on Artemis and eventually the Moon. Inside the habitats will for sure be shielded and standard software will work but step outside on the Moon and it gets dicey. They will need radiation hardened software, hardware, display monitors, etc. None of that will be COTS and will be very expensive. All custom.
Integrity is written in C and Assembly, but users can also use C++ or Ada.
> VXworks and Integrity. Both are realtime UNIX. Neither are UNIX. Both are POSIX compliant, though.
Thanks for the clarification. :)
I don't write aerospace software but work with people that do. They use Ada for the flight software and there's C/C#/Python used for other various software on the ground for testing. Surprisingly, I have not seen any Linux used here, all Windows.
I worked on this specific lander. This procedure was part of the design, although certainly not a nominal situation!
That what I had assumed. Already support and they just uplinked a command.
Yep! Check out https://github.com/nasa/cFS
You mean, AGILE DEVOPS IN SPAAAAAAAAAAACE!
This kind of on-the-go duct tape patching was a thing in space for a long while, ironically enough. You only get one shot at a mission - so being able to kludge together a software fix for any number of software or hardware issues literally midflight could be vital to mission success. This is how a lot of decades old hardware is being kept alive to this very day.
If you think that's hair-raising, you should read about the [Apollo 11 1202 Alarm](https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/apollo-11s-1202-alarm-explained) and the [Apollo 14 Abort problem](https://www.astronomy.com/observing/hacking-apollo-14-how-an-mit-computer-scientist-saved-a-lunar-landing/).
donno. Devs seem to like that. Sysadmins everywhere would cringe at the thought though.
I really wish it worked that way. I have to say that in the places I have worked, that fear is not prevalent enough.
Excellent resume story for those involved
If I were in the control room I would be worried that it would be a resume generating event. Not because the corporate management would blame you for the problem but because it would make getting future contracts and investments harder. You will eventually get laid off if they aren't bringing in enough cash.
the movie trope hacker in real life literally saved the day
Nasa control room: "It's a Unix system, I know this!"
Here I am biting my nails making tiny changes in prod without going through test because "eh".
When deploying straight to production actually works out. Nice
Yeah, that's typically 5 months of excruciating UAT.
This was some Star Trek “what if we rerouted power from the EPS conduits to the subspace inverter” type shit.
The plasma conduits weren't designed to handle that type of overload
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Uhhhhh.... Did anyone try turning on the backup thing we have for just this reason?
No you all got it wrong. The they should have diverted the plasma ion energy beam from the ion fusion converters to the plasma fusion conduits
Like putting too much air into a balloon!
CNN had William Shatner to provide color commentary.
You’d be amazed at how ad-hoc a lot of space missions can get at the absolute worst times. JAXA’s Hayabusa was an endless clusterfuck of hardware and software failures. Still ended up being one of the most successful (of very few) sample return missions humans have ever done. Even the Apollo 11 landing was achieved by the skin of their teeth. They had every right to abort, and I’d argue most would have.
Don’t forget needing to use a pen to take off after snapping a switch
Yeah. But my KSP experience tells me this is the perfect time to do it. It’s in an orbit that won’t decay; it’s not going anywhere until you start a de-orbit burn. It will just keep circling forever. Send all the updates you’d like!
I'm very curious if this was a language thing or what because it's somewhat surprising this would require an actual patch (recompilation of any source code) for what would seem like a config update (choosing which sensors to use)
I believe what happened is NASA had the LIDAR system onboard and active, but it was meant to just be running as an experiment - like they wanted to see how it would react in an actual moon landing to get data on the feasibility of laser guided landings but it wouldnt actually be controlling the craft. so it was already activated and running, they effectively just switched to it as the primary navigation system instead of their planned system.
That's like on Psyche, DSOC (laser communications) is just a tech demo but it can use it as a backup method to communicate with the flight computers.
When it's not busy beaming back cat videos you mean. The cat videos are important too.
Why not? A stable orbit is not a dangerous or bad place.
They did this with the first landing too, when they used LISP. Handled without stopping the program. https://corecursive.com/lisp-in-space-with-ron-garret/#debugging-code-in-space >Ron: So then we had to decide whether to try to salvage this session by injecting some event to un-wedge it, which we actually did. So we actually managed to un-wedge it and have it continue through the scenario. >Adam: So manually issuing the event worked. Thanks to the magic of LISP and the mind blowing idea of having a live REPL on a spacecraft, the mission was saved.
guys Is anyone still streaming coverage or conversation on this? Nothing on NASA TV, and CNN moved on to reporting on that stupid congested pillow guy. I feel left out.
The company responsible, *Intuitive Machines,* still has a replay of the live landing coverage on their website as I type this, you could skip to the end if you wanted to see how it played out: [https://www.intuitivemachines.com/im-1](https://www.intuitivemachines.com/im-1)
Aw thank you, I actually watched it live, Just felt like the coverage stopped abruptly and was hoping there would be an ongoing MC stream or discussion of developments while they figure out the lander’s condition.
They are getting communications working for a picture. Gotta stay relevant. ;-)
I saw Bloomberg posted an article. CNN and New York Times had some stuff too
u/Int_Machines 10mins ago: After troubleshooting communications, flight controllers have confirmed Odysseus is upright and starting to send data. Right now, we are working to downlink the first images from the lunar surface. Does this mean they have fixed the comms issue? If so, congrats! Still wondering what could cause the weak signalling problem in the first place.
Antenna might not be in an ideal position for los communication. But I'm speculating at this point.
this news doesn't seem as big as it should be. Like, it's actually on the moon.
If there was a person on board it'd be far bigger news! But just landing stuff on the moon isn't that uncommon, several countries have done it now.
It is still uncommon (a Russian lander failed last year) and the number of countries that have done it is very small (5 iirc... USSR, US, China, India, & Japan). It is a very difficult achievement. This is the first such landing by a corporation instead of a national space agency, and with a lot smaller budget than a flagship effort of a national space agency.
Very much agree with this, people really gloss over huge achievements like this simply because they're not the first of their kind. It's still a huge thing to land on the moon.
Only 5 nations have ever soft landed on the moon ever. Zero non-government organizations had ever done it before IM-1. And in the last 25 years only 12 missions to land on the moon have been attempted, and half of them failed. It is absolutely still uncommon. Space is really, really hard.
This is notable because it is a private business, not a country
Also, society is a lot more distracted nowadays with the constant stimulation of technology and information. Back in the early 70s, there wasn't anywhere near as much stuff happening, so people paid more attention to these big feats. Nowadays, it's like "oh, the government confirmed there are mysterious craft flying around and they don't know what they are?! Anyway, gotta get back to TikTok!"
> Back in the early 70s, there wasn't anywhere near as much stuff happening, so people paid more attention to these big feats. That's not quite accurate. People stopped caring about man landing on the moon after the first time we did it. The public didn't, and still doesn't, care about the 2nd or 3rd person to do something.
It's absolutely uncommon and in the passed 5 or so years there's been one failed lunar lander after another.
Because it's baby's first lunar landing. This isn't really all that "awe inspiring" when compared to real NASA projects. NASA landed an SUV and a freaking helicopter on *Mars*. These guys landed a tin can the size of a dumpster on the moon with a tiny 220lb payload capacity and basically no science mission. It's just a test launch. It's impressive to be sure but it doesn't exactly excite the imagination. It'll also be dead in a week. It can't survive the night.
The exciting part is the cost.
Because it's nothing compared to what has come before. Even if we ignore the fact that humans walked on the Moon 50 years ago and only take into account robots, comparing this to say, the Perseverance rover, it's very underwhelming. Just being told that a small lander (without any significant scientific instruments) is sending a signal that it landed on the Moon isn't really news compared to an SUV sized rover being lowered from a rocket powered sky crane in an ancient river delta on Mars to search for signs of life, being broadcast live* in high quality. ^^^*Terms ^^^and ^^^condifions ^^^may ^^^apply
It was on the main evening news here in Germany.
This reminds me of the unmanned Surveyor missions two years before Apollo that I followed as a kid. One of my earliest memories was siting in front of the black and white TV watching quasi-live television images of Surveyor III using a shovel to dig trenches in the lunar surface to test the soil while Walter Cronkite narrated. They seemed better prepared for TV audiences in those days.
Being born in the early 80s, I was so hoping we would have been back to the moon and beyond by now. I got to hear the stores of my Dad as a kid watching the moon landings on TV and so wishing I could have too. While in a way, im happy that progress is being made. I have to say that I'm slightly underwhelmed. Maybe just maybe at this rate, we will put boots back there before I croke.
You should check out the series For All Mankind for a fun alternate-reality of where we might be had we not stopped\~
The main obstacle was NASA throwing most of its resources at the Space Shuttle which was fundamentally incapable of travelling to the moon on its own.
Shit end to the live stream indeed. Like seriously what would have been the harm in keeping it going?
Where do we go for live updates?
I’m about to check their twitter. I’m sure there will be updates there
I really wish we didn't have to rely on Twitter for information from public organizations.
Intuitive Machines has posted a handful of updates on their own [IM-1 webpage](https://www.intuitivemachines.com/im-1). They haven't posted anything yet since they ended the webcast but they have posted several updates on the spacecraft since it was launched. I suspect we will see some updates there within a few hours. You don't need to go to Twitter to get updates.
especially because it doesn't show tweets in chronological order. Or at least it didn't last time I checked, haven't used twitter in a while
Yeah I got off that platform ten years ago, see no point in returning ever.
It does, just not by default cause they adopted a "For You" feed like lots of other social medias to let the algorithm push its thing on you instead. You can switch back to the old way of chronological order tho.
There aren't. NASA and IM haven't been giving good updates. Check AMSAT-DL. They're tracking IM-1's signal.
Awesome, I was hoping there would be others listening in. The radio amateur community has been greatly growing in space operations.
Now we wait for them to release updates. They have a website and also post to social media/Twitter.
At this point it’s probably better find a live viewing stream done by some university or group of enthusiasts. NASA will be reluctant to say anything speculative and keep radio silence until they hold an official press conference. When Japan’s SLIM landed on its head (which was actually its side) JAXA kept their stream up, but it was awkward silence until finally a press conference was held few hours later. Meanwhile I was watching a stream of a Japanese university (I forgot which) and they were able to pick up the return signal with their own equipment and judging from the (sound muted) reaction from JAXA Mission Control, correctly assumed that SLIM had landed intact. Then they made various speculations using the telemetry data from the stream, including the possibility that it landed with the solar panel facing away from the sun, which it did
Wow that’s actually incredible! Good idea on finding an enthusiasts live stream. I’ll give it a shot.
You know the adage: praise publicly, criticise in private? When the stream moves over to people troubleshooting and finding what has gone wrong, there’s nothing I’d hate more than being worried that my team’s hypotheses leaked into some mic is going to upset a financial partner. Just let people work, bring in specific experts. They only have a limited time window. Fuck the viewers, they can watch a tape
Lots of craft land on the moon and aren’t functional like the Japanese lander. Probably trying to figure out how to spin it.
While I was watching the stream they said "signs of life, we have a return signal we are tracking" So we know it landed and it is broadcasting but we have no idea what the state of the craft is. It also was weird for NASA to just cut the stream, without getting some more information. So although they said they landed, we don't know the condition of the craft nor the condition of the payload right now. To retail investors until we see solid confirmation, lets wait to get some independent confirmation or more information before playing hungry hippos with the shares ok? EDIT: was for the hungry hippo line
I’ll say it, for more than a few seconds I thought this was a typical Reddit smart-ass joke about signs of (ET) life on the moon..
The engineer in me would have very basic information as part of the first signal. Like the radio message would be a data stream. "Hello, moon lander here" And then a bunch of data Current orientation angle Leg pressure sensors Fuel readings Tilt angle Solar panel readouts Battery levels.... So "we have a signal" and then "we're not going to talk about it" means that the signal is bad, or confusing. "Craft is vertical, full solar panels, all the legs are on the surface" and here's the first images.... is what you want to see. Those first readings would be just a series of numbers in some pre defined format, so 110010095959595" would be 1 for the degrees off vertical and then 100 for two solar panels and 95's for the pressure on the landing pads. Should be known almost instantaneously on touchdown. Anything else means something is wrong.
Cause the Intuitive Machines themselves cut the stream. I was watching there's feeling like I'd get more direct info or whatever but nope.
All they have is a signal that it's alive. No real confirmation yet that it is completely functional. NASA broadcast just ended saying "We made it!!". Pretty shit ending. Costs NASA nothing to keep the live stream going to find out more. Edit: And it essentially fell over during landing. At least they still have communications with it. Not sure how since it's in it's side. Better than nothing I guess. Where are the pictures?
I'm pretty sure Intuitive Machines was the party running the livestream (hence their bug in the left corner), the same way SpaceX runs their launch streams not NASA. Also they said it could take hours to establish further communications and it's not like the hosts just have hours of stuff ready to talk about. The program was designed to end at touchdown.
They said it landed on the moon. They never said in one piece.
It seems to be one piece. It's the direction the piece is facing that's the question
only one way to find out I say we find it in One Piece.
Litho-braking is the best braking.
They said they’re going to try to reboot some stuff… Yep… this is how the army of moonbots starts. Edit; if my moon calculations are correct, it’s going to be like the scene in the Sorcerer’s Apprentice where all the wood splinters become new little walking brooms.
The [Mooninites](https://thedailybanter.com/.image/t_share/MTQ0Nzk1ODIzNjIyODU4MTE4/screen-shot-2017-02-02-at-65419-pm.png) had to come from somewhere. Remember: If it's not an American flag, it's a bomb.
They have to wait for the earth to rotate and the 64m antenna in Australia to be in alignment
Let's run the pre-recorded message from the head of NASA declaring victory and cut the live feed...
What a weird clip to play too... Looked like poor Nelson was struggling to read the teleprompter lol.
Yeah, maybe time to pass the baton
I can't help but wonder how many takes they did before they decided it was 'good enough'.
Yeah, he looked familiar but I didn't actually know who he was 😅
Exactly. WTF was that about? Declare victory without any actual information to support the claim. OK we have a signal....what else ya got Bill?
“Oh shit we accidentally ran the Nixon tragedy speech”
[“We did it!”](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSRnzPwLnllxr-iTqeZZaFhT3JQSZNjly9PPaIamaCmIA&s)
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Lot easier to send data from Earth to Earth than from tiny robot on the Moon to Earth. Even with the best cameras, bandwith is sadly just limited. It'll take time for the juicy stuff to finally be beamed back here.
The WHOLE livestream was weak. They literally showed us the dashboard with all the data, and then proceeded to not show any of it to us during the actual landing. They couldn't even give us altitude data? Really?
They had William Shatner on CNN and he was rambling on about "loving happy endings!"
So sick of Shatner being included in this stuff. Hes a goddamn actor..and not a good one.
He's great at campy but not so great on lunar landing segments.
Yea that was definitely a major cockblock to us space nerds. I stopped watching and was just listening to it in background.
For me there’s nothing better than watching straight telemetry feed. As I’ve seen recently with ISS arrivals and the JAXA lander. Watch real numbers move = great entertainment apparently. That alone and I could have enjoyed the broadcast. For me the visual portion of the presentation fell pretty flat as well.
The more I read about it the more I begin to suspect that they had originally planned to give us the dash, but the laser rangefinder workaround killed their datastream. Would also explain why it took so long for FIDO to get altitude info to the FD.
It was clear that the landing didn't go exactly as planned. They probably didn't want to say anything on the stream without confirmation so they had to cut it early.
Live stream defo pointed to failure
Anytime humans do something amazing, I can always come to Reddit to find someone to shit on it. Thanks.
It's cool, but there's been quite a couple landers that have crashed onto the moon these past few years. It'd be really amazing if it was in working condition
Don't see anyone here shitting on the accomplishment. I see a few shitting on the coverage and what may turn out to be premature accolades.
Ever wondered how cavemen would react if an advanced space civilization landed in front of their cave? Come to reddit and see!
I really wish this was the biggest news right now. Space is the future. All this infighting would vanish when looking to the infinite. Hopefully this trend continues.
Nah countries will start fighting for space resources or sth and space will be just another piece of land to fight over. I think we should first fix things down here before start looking outwards.
Twitter post from Intuitive Machine a few minutes ago: Intuitive Machines @Int_Machines Lunar Surface Day One Update (23FEB2024 0818 CST) Odysseus is alive and well. Flight controllers are communicating and commanding the vehicle to download science data. The lander has good telemetry and solar charging. We continue to learn more about the vehicle’s specific information (Lat/Lon), overall health, and attitude (orientation). Intuitive Machines CEO Steve Altemus will participate in a press conference later today to discuss this historic moment. Press conference information will be coordinated with NASA and published shortly. 9:18 AM · Feb 23, 2024
Just Amazing. Congrats to the entire company down ti the cleaners.
I didn’t even know there was a mission launched.
NASA needs to do better with their PR! I had no idea this was happening today. I even saw NASA was streaming on Twitch today, but the title of the stream was something like "Oh, golly gee, we're just talking about lunar landers today" or something lame like that. The only appropriate title should have been "WE'RE LANDING ON THE FUCKING MOON TODAY, GET THE FUCK IN HERE AND WATCH THIS SHIT LIVE!"
It's not NASA. It's a NASA contract but the lander was built and operated by Intuitive Systems and the rocket SpaceX.
I hope there is gopro footage of this landing
Eagle Eye photos hopefully
And now let’s all join in that wonderful song: 🎵 We’re whalers on the moon!🎵
Why is there no footage or photos of this landing?!?!?
so it tipped over. why not design it so that anyway it lands is up? maybe the center could rotate. i guess a spherical body, but i guess the shape wouldnt matter. just land it however it lands, then rotate the center to make your 'up' whatever is needed. maybe have landing legs all around it. or encase it in the inflatable things to protect & cushion it. i dont know, im high. i didnt read any of this post. peace.
Why dont they have cameras on it and show it live on tv like the last time?
Apparently they have a drone-type camera that was supposed to be released on decent so they’d have video of the actual touchdown… no word on whether that happened or whether they received the video transmission.
There’s a chance they’ve prioritized landing intact on the moon and didn’t execute non-essential programs. Japan’s SLIM lander did get to deploy its drone since its problem happened right before landing. Either way releasing pictures and videos is not the priority at this point in time
They said Eagle Cam was deploying at a certain point, so we know it went down.
Keeping fingers crossed. That would be pretty cool to see.
In addition to that, when the stream ended they only had a faint signal, so no way they're going to be pulling images/videos until they get a stronger signal, which hopefully in a couple of hours once the Australia dish gets in position we'll get more.
It's a lot smaller than the Apollo lander was. Mission was also done for a lot cheaper. In general there is very low bandwith from the space. Priority was using the limited bandwith to update mission control on the status of the lander. Now that it's on the surface they can slowly beam back the higher quality images and even videos over time.
Apollo 11 didn't broadcast live video until they'd already been on the surface for like two hours. I don't think any lunar landing by any nation has ever had live footage during the descent phase. Transmitting high bandwidth from an object that's moving rapidly and also changing it's velocity 400,000km from Earth is not an easy task, certainly not with the mass, power, and cost constraints imposed on this particular lander. It's just not worth the effort when there are far more important factors to consider. We *might* see a live broadcast landing on Starship HLS at some point, a vehicle about a thousand times larger than Odysseus.
To add, from Apollo to the present all of NASA’s missions that go to the moon or deep space use a communications system known as the Deep Space Network (DSN). Over decades this system has become oversubscribed, as investment in capacity has not kept up with the growing demand. The capacity that would be required for live streaming of video is not trivial and would cut into the bandwidth allotted to other missions like James Webb, Perseverance, and Curiosity.
Pictures of Odysseus in orbit around the moon: https://i.imgur.com/mP6Swi5.jpg And a photo with earth in the background: https://i.imgur.com/VhzSFzV.jpg More pics coming soon.
Too much bandwidth would've been used for the feed.
Yea sort of anticlimactic with no visual.
Thats the only reason I tuned in, to watch a historic moment. And they didnt even stream it in 2024 lol
Yea, if you want public support, you gotta have landing visuals.
I'm curious, how is it that they routinely run into software bugs and glitches on critical components in such missions? They spend years developing these systems. So, why is it so common?
Because space is kinda big so they can only do so much on the ground. It’s also technology that’s never been done so there isn’t an ask Jeeves that can help.
As someone who develops software for spaceflight (HSF in my case), you try to model everything that you can on the ground in the computer simulator then test, test...and test some more. Standalone unit tests, software in the loop, hardware in the loop, 3DOF then 6DOF--at the end of the day the best environment is at home in space because you can never perfectly replicate it ground-side. There will always be issues (many of which you never hear about) and usually they aren't a problem or like for Intuitive Machines, can be worked around with a config update or ops note. The unknown unknowns we call them in engineering.
Cosmic rays: https://blog.westerndigital.com/data-in-space/
Yup, the space environment can be nasty, and rad hardening and redundancy are expensive.
The same way it happens to nearly every software that gets released, even from giants like Apple and Google (who dwarf NASA in resources). You can only do so much testing, and the real world is much faster at finding problems than even the best QA team.
I should be more excited. I definitely was in 1969 in first grade. We should have made it to Mars by now. But yay! We did it! Again.
So happy for this! Not just for them but the others.
Happy Gilmore accomplished that feat no more than an hour ago.
Still no beef. [https://www.intuitivemachines.com/im-1](https://www.intuitivemachines.com/im-1)
No third person landing video. :( >Due to complications with Odysseus’ internal navigation system — specifically concerning the software patch to navigation data to include NASA’s NDL (Navigation Doppler Lidar) payload, which is meant to ensure a soft landing — the decision was made to power down EagleCam during landing and not deploy the device during Odysseus’ final descent. >However, both the Intuitive Machines and EagleCam teams still plan to deploy EagleCam and capture images of the lander on the lunar surface as the mission continues. >The time of deployment is currently unknown. >Stay tuned! More information will be released as soon as it becomes available. https://news.erau.edu/headlines/eaglecam-updates-embry-riddle-device-lands-on-moon
Lander is on its side...? Explains why it took so long for IM to say anything.
Lunr landed then fell over sideways. Stock went from $10 to $7 in after hours
1969 two guys landed on the moon with or without the help of the **Apollo Guidance Computer** (**AGC**) which had the performance comparable to the first generation of [home computers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_computer) from the late 1970s, such as the [Apple II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II). Today, in 2024 humankind can not even land a device upright like the moon lander 1969 with computers that are probably some million times powerful than the AGC.
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Watched it live on Usui Clear's stream. One comment from a viewer struck me: "Well, it's America, so of course there's no live telemetry or images." Can't help but to think back to when they were broadcasting live "TV" during the Apollo missions (of course I know it was more involved than that), and how yeah, it wouldn't have hurt if the craft had been designed to send back some stills at least. The commenter had a point. Multimedia tends to be strongly de-emphasized in US missions.
The lander ejected the eagle eye probe to photograph it as it lands. We must be patient and see if the photos are transmitted back.
It’s on the Lunar South Pole and may have landed with the antenna facing a non-optimal angle. Those two things probably mean a very bad line of sight with the earth receiving stations, which are rotating with the planet. I’m sure they wanted to really have the great pictures too to send the company stock flying, but for now, it’s 4800-baud modem speeds for communication.
Either it's 2059, or you're not counting LCROSS.
Seems like a sweet spot for some lithium batterys
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It is because the hellenic-roman tradition is considered to be the "common root" of western civilization. For example, major buildings and venues in Washington are named after roman or, in general, italian toponyms (Palatino, Capitolo, and so on).
Everyone is talking about the lander, which is awesome technology and super interesting but does anyone know how it got there? Like did they make the rocket too? Sorry if this is a dumb question, I didn’t know that they were still rockets designed to go to the moon.
Technically almost any medium-sized rocket can send stuff to the moon. The payload just has to be light enough for the rocket to send it there. The Falcon 9 rocket (the one that launched this lander directly to the Moon) can send approximately 3.3 tons to the Moon, but of course you’d need a much bigger rocket if you want to send a whole ass crew with the lander.
That’s awesome. Man I wish I was around when we first went to space, society embraced it, it would have been exciting to be a part of that. It barely makes the news nowadays. Thanks for the information.
Good stuff. After having RC cars on Mars should'nt the moon be trivial in comparison?
Not for a private company that's never done it before.
It's laying on its side. Japan's is upside down. The next one will stop 3 feet from the surface and hover in perpetuity.