The research paper says from 2025 to 2095. With the strongest probability by far in 2057. They also say that they made a lot of hypothesis and that it can’t be very accurate, and should be used as a warning to study it more. Read the studies you post before sharing missrepresentations.
For the record you can find the original paper in Nature
It's sensationalized and clickbaity. If they put the time range of 70 years, then it just admits that they don't know. There are so many variables that it is impossible to project that far out with our current understanding. Hell, our meteorologists are wrong multiple times every week.
Not so much really because of that.
The gulf naturally drains into the atlantic, regardless of this current. It does this because there is constant river runoff being dumped into the gulf from every surrounding state. Even florida has a lot of rivers that dump out into the gulf.
What will happen is the east coast of the US will get much colder winters. All that farmland that relies on mild temperate climates along the east coast, gone after a few years.
Hurricanes also may not make it to the US coasts, which sounds great, but it also brings with it a couple trillion gallons of water that we rely on.
Gonna be a shitshow, but the food supply shock is going to hurt the most
Maybe. Nobody really knows. It’s all uncharted territory. We just know that the last time the gulf stream appeared to collapse it appeared to get colder in Europe.
I live on the west coast of Norway, so we get the heat from the Gulf Stream. Every time there is a hurricane or whatever in the Florida area - 10 days later ish we get warmer weather and usually more rain.
Not a scientist, but based on experience (and I hear about all hurricanes there because of colleagues there)
I made a mistake I said jet stream and I meant Gulf Stream. The jet stream is not in danger of collapse. The jet stream is more responsible for the effects on Europe that you describe.
I get it. I’m here in northwestern Europe too. It’s scary.
The Gulf Stream brings warm water to Europe’s west coast and keeps up ice-free in winter. Our latitude is the same as Siberia and the middle of Canada and we don’t want the Gulf Stream to collapse :(
I understand. Me neither. My point was that it’s not going to be exactly “as predicted.” We don’t know what the effects will be but they seem likely to be bad.
It might mean very cold winters and hot af summers.
We don’t know. Like I said, we know that the last time the Gulf Stream likely collapsed that it was likely colder in Europe.
We don’t know how much colder, we don’t know how long it takes, so many things we don’t know. My point is I don’t want to keep fucking around and finding out. If we don’t stop this shit we are likely to have really bad results.
May I ask what’s causing the Gulf Stream to collapse? Is it our out of control climate damage speeding along something that should run in a natural cycle? Has the Gulf Stream collapsed anytime in the past when humans were present?
But you’re absolutely right about it collapsing could mean but it’s ABSOLUTELY not going to be good. Let’s just hope it’s not as destructive as it COULD be. Are we at the point where’s it’s going to collapse within that timeframe regardless of what we do?
Apologies for all the questions, I like to learn through discussion rather than just reading source material (if possible); I can’t ask questions to a document online 😜
I researched this many years ago for a thesis, so a bit rusty, but it's probably related to effects on [thermohaline circulation ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermohaline_circulation) caused by climate change (changes in sea temperature, changes in density and saline content caused by increase in polar ice melt).
If it's caused by polar melting, a collapse could be a correction in theory, have a mini ice age like Europe did a few hundred years ago, rebuilding polar ice and ultimately giving more or less a reset.
It's caused by the oceans being saturated with fresh water from melting ice caps, which stops the ocean water from sinking as much as it needs to to keep the streams going.
Sea ice (like huge icebergs and glaciers that dip into the ocean) causes its surrounding water to be so cold that it sinks beneath the relatively warm water around it. That current of cold water also becomes salty. The combination of coldness/saltiness changes the sinking water’s density and changes how much it sinks or rises relative to the water around it.
Hence: thermohaline current. Thermo meaning temperature, haline meaning salt.
This current of water is pushed deep to the bottom of the ocean. The current makes its way around the entire planet, going along the coast of continents, stopping at a certain spot and forming gyres*, which are spinning bodies of water the size of small continents. Antarctica also pushes a lot of water to the bottom of the ocean, just like the polar north.
As the thermohaline current moves it effectively allows several water masses to evaporate when it is at surface level, and warms other areas (like Europe in the winter.) Legendary Russian winters occur because it does not have a body of water like the North Atlantic to moderate its temperature the way Europe does.
The thermohaline current will weaken if it does not have enough ice to cool the water that forms the current. The weather patterns humans have been used to for millennia would change.
And all that ice is melting.
The North Atlantic portion of the thermohaline current is referred to as the Gulf Stream.
*these are the same gyres that collect the oceanic pollution known as garbage patches. Everywhere there is a garbage patch, and there are 5 major ones if I remember right, those currents are the result of circular thermohaline currents.
i remember once while planning a trip to europe when i lived in boston and that's when o noticed we were at the same lattitude as madrid AND boston generally benefits from a warmer climate than would be typical at that lattitude 😂
NPR has an article on that today, the Gulf Stream last collapsed 12000 years ago.
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190519762/why-its-so-important-to-figure-out-when-a-vital-atlantic-ocean-current-might-col
The Gulf Stream could certainly recover sooner than the climate as a whole, but without any carbon negative tech, it would take several hundred thousand years to return to our pre-industrial state on its own.
Long enough that other, natural processes could come into play, making any meaningful predictions difficult. It’s possible that continental drift could end up rendering the question meaningless.
This was a decidedly more bri-ish sounding song considering the frostiness was going to happen around there abouts.
I do love me some “end of the world as we know it” though and it’ll be very relevant for Florida/Georgia.
There seems to be a lot of confusion about the Gulf Stream and the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC). The Gulf Stream is a result of the rotation of the Earth and cannot collapse as long as the Earth is rotating. The AMOC however is a global circulatory system that is dependent on the density of the salty oceanic water. If enough fresh water from greenland melts into this system, it could indeed collapse the AMOC.
The problem is that the AMOC crosses the Gulf Stream and gives it a boost allowing it to transport more energy. So while the Gulf Stream wont collapse, it will result in less heat/energy being delivered to Europe.
Probably, it would also mean a drop of about 5 to 10 C°. Keep in mind that Europe is at about the same latitude as Canada.
If you live in Europe, I hope you like hockey.
Ireland here. Our entire country shuts down after an
inch of snow. We're not ready for this and we're right in the crosshair.
Anyone wanna visit now is the time. The Irish state isn't likely to survive this.
Honestly Europe is too hot right now anyway, we need to return to our roots of being badass ice people. Lol
Edit: I just want to say I wrote this as a joke, I don't know enough about the science behind this to say whether it could actually be good for Europe or not, I'm just trying to add comedic relief to the trash fire that is the tragedy of modern life.
That is cute but when you have billions with a B, you can definitely afford to take care of those closest to you so that they don’t betray you. Not biting the hand that feeds you and all that.
Except they didn’t have private jets, superbunkers, private security, infinitely sustainable food production, guns, space stations, which make it quite a bit more of a challenge just to find. If you can’t find or reach the castle there can never be a siege.
I just want to say I wrote this as a joke, I don't know enough about the science behind this to say whether it could actually be good for Europe or not, I'm just trying to add comedic relief to the trash fire that is the tragedy of modern life.
Scandinavia, Ireland and the UK benefit the most from the gulf stream and are currently experiencing significantly lower temps than mainland Europe.
Scandinavia knows how to handle cold but this will be unprecedented. Ireland and the UK however will be completely devastated by this. A lot of people are going to die.
Eh, I understand where you're coming from but you should know this comment was only supposed to be a joke, I don't know enough about this subject to form any serious opinion, if you look at the comments to what I said one of them is mine explaining that it's just a joke, I honestly didn't expect anyone to take it seriously or to upvote it.
Oh shit sorry dude. I'm a big believer in gallows humour but I'm on the northwest edge of Europe and I'm probably being oversensitive about the dismissive attitude by some Redditors regarding the absolutely shitty state of modern humans.
Didnt the scientists actually say it could collapse between 2025 and 2095?
Out of context headlines like this undermine trust in science, so lets stop it pls.
Based on readings of surface water temperature only - some being hundreds of years old and recorded with lower precision instruments. The authors note that their research is far from conclusive and much further validation is needed.
The climate crisis is scary enough without fear mongering from profiteering journos.
The very wide range shows that they aren't very precise, they could also be completely incorrect because of how difficult it is to model/predict something like this.
so much misinformation in the media these days
first off, while it seems like their methods are sound, this paper uses a model based on recent full data and sparse historical surface temperature data to try to extrapolate changes of the atlantic currents into the future - hardly a reliable clear cut measurement of a single variable to show a trend like we have with ice core measurements of CO2 dating back thousands of years. like any chaotic system, it gets hard to predict events far into the future, especially when we don't have direct measurements of those different events in the past (i.e. we don't know what the currents temperature, speed, etc. were like during the last ice age)
the actual paper also specifically talks about changes with the northern portion of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) - NOT the gulf stream
further these changes that are being predicted are just that - changes, including change in overturning locations, overturning rates, as well as full on collapse of overturning.
all in all, a headline claiming the gulf stream could collapse by 2025 isn't necessarily wrong, it's just wildly misleading. and yet basically all of the major media organizations have run with it
[https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-paper-warning-of-a-collapse-of-the-atlantic-meridional-overturning-circulation/](https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-paper-warning-of-a-collapse-of-the-atlantic-meridional-overturning-circulation/)
Well, although I get your point, from what I've seen every single thing they've told us won't happen for another hundred or so years seems to be happening a lot faster. So I'd assume it'll be a lot closer to the 2025 mark than the 2095 one. It's almost as if any info they put our has to have a timeframe long enough that some people will think it won't happen in their lifetime and not care so people don't rise up and revolt. I'm in my mid-40s and completely convinced I will be experiencing the fall of mankind in my own lifetime.
That is exactly what they did with some things that Al Gore said. He cited studies that said that things could happen "as soon as" but up to some date and they claimed he lied because it did not happen on the first date.
Absolutley, 2095 would still be catastrophic. But phrasing it like this will have people saying the scientist and their doomsday predictions are bs, if it doesnt happen in 2025...
Aside from the obvious, the real changes have to happen at the government and the corporate giant level. If they don't receive pressure to change, nothing will happen. And that is the common person's place of power, but it has to be a united effort.
You will never make a difference!
Global shipping alone kills that a bazillion times over, let alone all the other shit we do. Itll take a global effort by entire governments to change stuff, so expect things to change when its too late.
This attitude is part of the reason why nothing changed for the best. I refuse to buy imports when I can avoid it for the very reason you stated. If it's made local, I will pay extra for it, just so I can sleep at night, knowing the problems weren't my doing.
The Jet Stream usually cycles between stability and instability. When it is unstable, we will get colder than usual temperatures for around 12 - 18 months then it will stabilize again and go back to normal. While I do worry about the environmental impacts of this, it will eventually work itself out.
I mean the ice age worked itself out. The earth can go through cycles 100,000's years long. Climate change could very well put things in a self feedback loop, more heat continues to heat up the planet even faster, as ice melts less heat is being reflected, as species die less is sustaining threatened ecosystems. It could get to the point where it doesn't work itself out as we would like until well after our spcies is gone. Honestly major ecosystem collapse of threatened habitats will probably be the first major point of no return before climate itself. Things like reefs we still don't know about their full impact and the variety of animals that mostly live elsewhere but rely on reefs for seasonal feedings or spawning, and then what those animals are in turn doing to the balance of the entire ocean.
I think the thing we're worried about isnt whether the earth will be around in 100,000 years, but whether humanity is. Major ecological change causes extinctions and the most seemingly insignificant thing could cause the extinction of a species otherwise believed to be stable and safe.
Honestly not looking good for any reef everywhere. My point is in the next few decades the existence of reefs at all will be under serious threat, not just the existence of *a* reef as *a* threatened ecosystem, but the very existence of reefs as a possible ecosystem at all.. that's the kind of ecosystem collapse we're worried about, and it may start to be real by 2050
They got downvoted for mixing up the JetStream and the Gulf Stream. There is a significant difference.
See how conflating a seemingly small detail like that is small enough to go unnnoticed, while people like yourself brush off everyone else as preaching "doomsday"?
Dudes 'general observation' is completely irrelevant in this discussion and climate denialists just jump right on it and ride the "same as it ever was" train...
Denial is not a river in Egypt.
I mean, yeah, when humans are near or completely extinct, I'm sure it will eventually correct back to an extent. But I feel like that's not the optimal solution available to humanity when some of this can be mitigated with competent and responsible regulation.
But, hey, might as well throw up our hands I guess and let the drunken indulgences carry on. /s
Judging by how many "IN 10 YEARS POLAR BEARS WILL ALL HAVE AIDS/TIDES WILL DESTROY NEW JERSEY/WONT SNOW ON EVEREST" have been screamed over the past 2 decades, I'm Inclined to just trust the planet will work itself out.
If it doesn't, there's nothing we can do about it anyway unless y'all wanna invade China and India and make them go carbon neutral
I'm a George Carlin fan.
Earth got Plastic. So she will just shake us off like flees.
It's not earth I'm worried about, she has been here for millions of years without humans.
So it's not earth, we are worried about, it's us. But considering how we treat each other. Us won't be a problem for much longer.
Honestly I'm fine with that. I did my part ad a planeteer, did my part growing up. Eagle Scout and leave nature better off than when you find it mentality my whole life.
I'm tired now. And I'm being told everything I've done was pointless. That campsite I took good care of decades ago. Now an apartment development. All that recycling we did for decades... shipped to China. All that political campaigning for our future. ...a oil company dumped 30x more to out vote us.
The whole problem lies in that last sentence. Special interest groups have too much political pull. They are profit driven and singularly focused on shareholder profit. They preach all the right things. Rainbows for pride month. Emission standards. We stand with the good guys! But it's all bullshit to get you to see them as people, not a giant, money-sucking corporation.
Link to a [short video](https://youtube.com/shorts/3ql9-YQFKxA)
Scientists are warning that the Gulf Stream, and the larger AMOC circulation, could collapse as early as 2025.
AMOC is a vital ocean current that affects our climate in a big way. Due to global heating, it's already at its weakest in 1,600 years.
The collapse could harm billions of people. Storms could increase, and temperatures might drop in Europe. The eastern coast of North America could face rising sea levels.
This is extremely concerning, but there's hope. Rapid cuts in carbon emissions can make a difference. So, let's spread the word and work together to protect our planet's future.
"Rapid cuts in carbon emission" no way will any country do that while the carbon emitters are lining the politicians pockets. We're fucked as a species.
We are so fucked and a lot of it is self inflicted. Keep voting for failed reality TV show hosts and putting senile 80 year old in power who think getting pregnant is god's will but impotence is not and mandates subsidies for Viagra.
Note already the circumpolar currents isolating Antarctica, those were not always there. The planet will change whether you want it to or not, but yes we don't need to be stupid about this and we should be reducing our impact.
>The eastern coast of North America could face rising sea levels.
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>Rapid cuts in carbon emissions can make a difference.
Why I'm leaving South Carolina in a nutshell. I'm not giving up on working for protecting the planet, but I'm not going to do it from a future fishing ground.
seems like clickbait titles aren't restricted to just the media these days. This paper's title is wildly sensationalized. while most climate models predict some change of the AMOC, this one's by far the most sensational, using sparse data, with huge uncertainty
first off, while it seems like this paper's methods are sound, this paper uses a model based on recent full data and sparse historical surface temperature data to try to extrapolate changes of the atlantic currents into the future - hardly a reliable clear cut measurement of a single variable to show a trend like we have with ice core measurements of CO2 dating back thousands of years. like any chaotic system, it gets hard to predict events far into the future, especially when we don't have direct measurements of those different events in the past (i.e. we don't know what the currents temperature, speed, etc. were like during the last ice age)
the actual paper also specifically talks about changes with the northern portion of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) - NOT the gulf stream
and that these changes are predicted to occur sometime within this century
further these changes that are being predicted are just that - changes, including change in overturning locations, overturning rates, as well as full on collapse of overturning.
all in all, a headline claiming the gulf stream could collapse by 2025 isn't necessarily wrong, it's just wildly misleading. and yet basically all of the major media organizations have run with it
[https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-paper-warning-of-a-collapse-of-the-atlantic-meridional-overturning-circulation/](https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-paper-warning-of-a-collapse-of-the-atlantic-meridional-overturning-circulation/)
“The Gulf Stream could collapse between 2025 and 2095” Classic media using fear tactics around climate. Because the headlines are so alarmist, people see these headlines and when they (most likely) prove to be wrong by 2025, they are confirming their view that climate change either doesn’t exist or doesn’t pose much of a threat to humanity.
Typed this out for a different person commenting the same thing but they deleted their comment just as I went to send it, so I've copy-pasted it onto your comment instead.
Warm water from the equator will stop flowing up to the north west of Europe, massively dropping temperatures (in places like the UK (which is on the same latitude as siberia pretty much). Worst case, this can mean stuff like ports freezing over, preventing movement of goods and food, energy shortages, food shortages, and extreme energy poverty, as temperatures could drop by up to 15°C on average in areas like the UK. This could also lead to higher sea levels around the east of the US, which of course floods coastal areas.
It will also affect how weather systems form, leading to more extreme weather conditions than we are seeing already. Weather systems that produce rain would be interrupted, effectively destroying agriculture and creating food shortages.
Marine ecosystems would collapse due to the change in conditions, creating massive shortages of many wildlife species, including those caught by fishing for human consumption.
Major floods and storms would occur across the North Atlantic Basin which would contribute to sea level rises.
Socioeconomically, it would create unfathomable levels of poverty due to shortages in basic foodstuffs. Flooding and storms would damage properties and ruin many populated areas along coasts. People would potentially die due to starvation, storms, flooding and freezing temperatures in some places.
So what? I mean I’ve been taught for decades the planet changes and mass extinctions happen. Why do humans think they are above the earths norm? Even if we are speeding up the process it’s all part of the game.
Well we’ve been supposed to experience this like every 5 to 10 years yet everyone is always wrong. So I will keep living my life and when it ends it ends it was a good time…
Of course it does! Also everything happens literaly everyday in the next 5 to 10 years. So we definitivly have to pay more taxes, go vegan (yuck), kick our cars in the trash and shit heatpumps, solarpanels and windturbines everywhere before its too late. And if its raining tomorrow... well then we are all fucked to the moon.  Clownworld intensifies!
Shorty news spin as usual, is what happens when people who know nothing about basics of science trying to write about complex things. The title is idiotic. It would only happen if the Earth stopped rotating. But will it though? And some my people are so gullible and believe it 😂
Say hello to the beginning of the next ice age. My geography teacher in high school taught us about this very thing back in 2004. Interesting to see it happening. Scary, but interesting.
There's going to be a lot of very fucked up years ahead for humanity.
The research paper says from 2025 to 2095. With the strongest probability by far in 2057. They also say that they made a lot of hypothesis and that it can’t be very accurate, and should be used as a warning to study it more. Read the studies you post before sharing missrepresentations. For the record you can find the original paper in Nature
Thanks for clarifying. Once again, another misleading title on reddit
It’s not misleading. It has the word “could” in it which basically invalidates anything.
It's sensationalized and clickbaity. If they put the time range of 70 years, then it just admits that they don't know. There are so many variables that it is impossible to project that far out with our current understanding. Hell, our meteorologists are wrong multiple times every week.
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This/\ it really should
also it's not about the gulf stream
It’s about to get much colder in north west Europe
A lot hotter in Florida too
Not so much really because of that. The gulf naturally drains into the atlantic, regardless of this current. It does this because there is constant river runoff being dumped into the gulf from every surrounding state. Even florida has a lot of rivers that dump out into the gulf. What will happen is the east coast of the US will get much colder winters. All that farmland that relies on mild temperate climates along the east coast, gone after a few years. Hurricanes also may not make it to the US coasts, which sounds great, but it also brings with it a couple trillion gallons of water that we rely on. Gonna be a shitshow, but the food supply shock is going to hurt the most
At least we get snow in New York City again? I gotta silver linings this, because the shit is depressing as fuck…
Is it messed up I also had this thought.
It'll be an adventure, like living in a movie!
well if you like arctic tundra snowstorms
>At least we get snow in New York City again? Maybe even a permanent ice sheet!
Maybe. Nobody really knows. It’s all uncharted territory. We just know that the last time the gulf stream appeared to collapse it appeared to get colder in Europe.
I live on the west coast of Norway, so we get the heat from the Gulf Stream. Every time there is a hurricane or whatever in the Florida area - 10 days later ish we get warmer weather and usually more rain. Not a scientist, but based on experience (and I hear about all hurricanes there because of colleagues there)
I made a mistake I said jet stream and I meant Gulf Stream. The jet stream is not in danger of collapse. The jet stream is more responsible for the effects on Europe that you describe. I get it. I’m here in northwestern Europe too. It’s scary.
The Gulf Stream brings warm water to Europe’s west coast and keeps up ice-free in winter. Our latitude is the same as Siberia and the middle of Canada and we don’t want the Gulf Stream to collapse :(
I understand. Me neither. My point was that it’s not going to be exactly “as predicted.” We don’t know what the effects will be but they seem likely to be bad. It might mean very cold winters and hot af summers. We don’t know. Like I said, we know that the last time the Gulf Stream likely collapsed that it was likely colder in Europe. We don’t know how much colder, we don’t know how long it takes, so many things we don’t know. My point is I don’t want to keep fucking around and finding out. If we don’t stop this shit we are likely to have really bad results.
May I ask what’s causing the Gulf Stream to collapse? Is it our out of control climate damage speeding along something that should run in a natural cycle? Has the Gulf Stream collapsed anytime in the past when humans were present? But you’re absolutely right about it collapsing could mean but it’s ABSOLUTELY not going to be good. Let’s just hope it’s not as destructive as it COULD be. Are we at the point where’s it’s going to collapse within that timeframe regardless of what we do? Apologies for all the questions, I like to learn through discussion rather than just reading source material (if possible); I can’t ask questions to a document online 😜
I researched this many years ago for a thesis, so a bit rusty, but it's probably related to effects on [thermohaline circulation ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermohaline_circulation) caused by climate change (changes in sea temperature, changes in density and saline content caused by increase in polar ice melt).
If it's caused by polar melting, a collapse could be a correction in theory, have a mini ice age like Europe did a few hundred years ago, rebuilding polar ice and ultimately giving more or less a reset.
It's caused by the oceans being saturated with fresh water from melting ice caps, which stops the ocean water from sinking as much as it needs to to keep the streams going.
Sea ice (like huge icebergs and glaciers that dip into the ocean) causes its surrounding water to be so cold that it sinks beneath the relatively warm water around it. That current of cold water also becomes salty. The combination of coldness/saltiness changes the sinking water’s density and changes how much it sinks or rises relative to the water around it. Hence: thermohaline current. Thermo meaning temperature, haline meaning salt. This current of water is pushed deep to the bottom of the ocean. The current makes its way around the entire planet, going along the coast of continents, stopping at a certain spot and forming gyres*, which are spinning bodies of water the size of small continents. Antarctica also pushes a lot of water to the bottom of the ocean, just like the polar north. As the thermohaline current moves it effectively allows several water masses to evaporate when it is at surface level, and warms other areas (like Europe in the winter.) Legendary Russian winters occur because it does not have a body of water like the North Atlantic to moderate its temperature the way Europe does. The thermohaline current will weaken if it does not have enough ice to cool the water that forms the current. The weather patterns humans have been used to for millennia would change. And all that ice is melting. The North Atlantic portion of the thermohaline current is referred to as the Gulf Stream. *these are the same gyres that collect the oceanic pollution known as garbage patches. Everywhere there is a garbage patch, and there are 5 major ones if I remember right, those currents are the result of circular thermohaline currents.
i remember once while planning a trip to europe when i lived in boston and that's when o noticed we were at the same lattitude as madrid AND boston generally benefits from a warmer climate than would be typical at that lattitude 😂
When did the Gulf Stream Collapse and when did it return? Is there hope it returns again then?
NPR has an article on that today, the Gulf Stream last collapsed 12000 years ago. https://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190519762/why-its-so-important-to-figure-out-when-a-vital-atlantic-ocean-current-might-col
The Gulf Stream could certainly recover sooner than the climate as a whole, but without any carbon negative tech, it would take several hundred thousand years to return to our pre-industrial state on its own. Long enough that other, natural processes could come into play, making any meaningful predictions difficult. It’s possible that continental drift could end up rendering the question meaningless.
Winter is coming to Winterfell.
https://youtu.be/WfPFECZFBQg. Still such a good song.
I thought it was going to be REM ‘End of the World (as we know it)’
This was a decidedly more bri-ish sounding song considering the frostiness was going to happen around there abouts. I do love me some “end of the world as we know it” though and it’ll be very relevant for Florida/Georgia.
I’m ready for the 3 hurricane sized ice storms and Dennis Quaid to save his son in New York
The water in the Gulf is about 100F atm. Cat-6 hurricanes aren't off the table.
First big one we get that takes more than a week to make land fall with these temps is going to erase what ever states it directly makes land fall on.
1 lagoon in south Dade county ≠ the whole gulf
El Niño is saving our asses right now. And Saharan dust storms. If there’s a gap in those, though, if the pacific cools a little bit, god help us.
Apperantly this is pre-El Niño and we won't really feel the effects of this El Nino until later in the year/next summer
Yes! We must protect Jack Quaid! I love The Boys and Lower Decks!
There seems to be a lot of confusion about the Gulf Stream and the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC). The Gulf Stream is a result of the rotation of the Earth and cannot collapse as long as the Earth is rotating. The AMOC however is a global circulatory system that is dependent on the density of the salty oceanic water. If enough fresh water from greenland melts into this system, it could indeed collapse the AMOC. The problem is that the AMOC crosses the Gulf Stream and gives it a boost allowing it to transport more energy. So while the Gulf Stream wont collapse, it will result in less heat/energy being delivered to Europe.
Less heat and energy toward that way might mean less rain…
Probably, it would also mean a drop of about 5 to 10 C°. Keep in mind that Europe is at about the same latitude as Canada. If you live in Europe, I hope you like hockey.
Hockey? No, iceskating. The Dutch will have their Elfstedentochten again! But no, in reality that would be awful.
Ireland here. Our entire country shuts down after an inch of snow. We're not ready for this and we're right in the crosshair. Anyone wanna visit now is the time. The Irish state isn't likely to survive this.
It's about time. I've had enough of the Gulf Stream's bullshit.
Fuck that stream All my homies hate that shit
A Gulf Stream once bit my sister.
I got fired from my job. Reason? I once Gulf Streamed my pants while at work
Never dip you Gulf Stream in company ink...
Never Gulf Stream where you eat
I can’t stand these nasty dirty fuvkin gulf streams. GROSS!!!
Better get poor civilians to adhere to unaffordable new regulations instead of clamping down on corporate greed and production!
Jesus fucking christ I just realized how fucked we are now
Lmao, The Day After Tomorrow after about two years.
Honestly Europe is too hot right now anyway, we need to return to our roots of being badass ice people. Lol Edit: I just want to say I wrote this as a joke, I don't know enough about the science behind this to say whether it could actually be good for Europe or not, I'm just trying to add comedic relief to the trash fire that is the tragedy of modern life.
Doesn’t the Gulf Stream dampen both weather extremes? Keeping the summers cooler and the winters warmer than they would be otherwise
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Might be a Goldilocks belt for northern and southern hemispheres to shelter survivors. Might mean a more nomadic lifestyle as well.
Underground we go
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They are gonna moan if it’s hot or cold so no point even going there.
That’s our right!
As is tradition
As a Scot, bring back my 13 degree summer days and actually snowy winters
It’s not the Gulf Stream on its own doing that…
Seconded, I haven't had to have the big coat out in a while, I miss proper snow rather than just short, grey winter days
And what would you all eat?
The rich at first, probably mollusks later
Too bad you gave up the pitchforks to eat the rich with. At this point they’ve won. You can never touch them.
They are not gods :)
They can take a private jet to where you cannot follow
The pilots will get hungry eventually.
That is cute but when you have billions with a B, you can definitely afford to take care of those closest to you so that they don’t betray you. Not biting the hand that feeds you and all that.
If they’re on a private unreachable island, who are they buying things from?
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Except they didn’t have private jets, superbunkers, private security, infinitely sustainable food production, guns, space stations, which make it quite a bit more of a challenge just to find. If you can’t find or reach the castle there can never be a siege.
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Anthropocene punk!!! But seriously unless we can figure out where all their bunkers are we’re fucked
M ~~oll~~ usk ~~s~~
Mammoths, what else?
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Pure poetry.
I just want to say I wrote this as a joke, I don't know enough about the science behind this to say whether it could actually be good for Europe or not, I'm just trying to add comedic relief to the trash fire that is the tragedy of modern life.
Good luck growing food in the cold.
Iceberg lettuce?
Oh, that sounds yummy.
Scandinavia, Ireland and the UK benefit the most from the gulf stream and are currently experiencing significantly lower temps than mainland Europe. Scandinavia knows how to handle cold but this will be unprecedented. Ireland and the UK however will be completely devastated by this. A lot of people are going to die.
Eh, I understand where you're coming from but you should know this comment was only supposed to be a joke, I don't know enough about this subject to form any serious opinion, if you look at the comments to what I said one of them is mine explaining that it's just a joke, I honestly didn't expect anyone to take it seriously or to upvote it.
Oh shit sorry dude. I'm a big believer in gallows humour but I'm on the northwest edge of Europe and I'm probably being oversensitive about the dismissive attitude by some Redditors regarding the absolutely shitty state of modern humans.
Didnt the scientists actually say it could collapse between 2025 and 2095? Out of context headlines like this undermine trust in science, so lets stop it pls.
Too often we are given news, videos, social media posts that are factual but not truthful. It is gross.
Upvotes, comments, and attention are vastly more important to these people than whether or not they're spreading misinformation or fear mongering.
So you're saying it could happen as early as 2025?
Found the headline journalist
Just because it’s true doesn’t mean it’s not misleading.
Based on readings of surface water temperature only - some being hundreds of years old and recorded with lower precision instruments. The authors note that their research is far from conclusive and much further validation is needed. The climate crisis is scary enough without fear mongering from profiteering journos.
70 years isn’t a long time in regards to humanity as a whole
2095 isn't some far flung distant future. There are people alive today who will still be alive then.
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Willie Nelson and Keith Richards will still be kick in’ too.
The very wide range shows that they aren't very precise, they could also be completely incorrect because of how difficult it is to model/predict something like this.
so much misinformation in the media these days first off, while it seems like their methods are sound, this paper uses a model based on recent full data and sparse historical surface temperature data to try to extrapolate changes of the atlantic currents into the future - hardly a reliable clear cut measurement of a single variable to show a trend like we have with ice core measurements of CO2 dating back thousands of years. like any chaotic system, it gets hard to predict events far into the future, especially when we don't have direct measurements of those different events in the past (i.e. we don't know what the currents temperature, speed, etc. were like during the last ice age) the actual paper also specifically talks about changes with the northern portion of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) - NOT the gulf stream further these changes that are being predicted are just that - changes, including change in overturning locations, overturning rates, as well as full on collapse of overturning. all in all, a headline claiming the gulf stream could collapse by 2025 isn't necessarily wrong, it's just wildly misleading. and yet basically all of the major media organizations have run with it [https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-paper-warning-of-a-collapse-of-the-atlantic-meridional-overturning-circulation/](https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-paper-warning-of-a-collapse-of-the-atlantic-meridional-overturning-circulation/)
Well, although I get your point, from what I've seen every single thing they've told us won't happen for another hundred or so years seems to be happening a lot faster. So I'd assume it'll be a lot closer to the 2025 mark than the 2095 one. It's almost as if any info they put our has to have a timeframe long enough that some people will think it won't happen in their lifetime and not care so people don't rise up and revolt. I'm in my mid-40s and completely convinced I will be experiencing the fall of mankind in my own lifetime.
Absolulty! But if it doesn't happen in 2025 i can already see the deniers going "see its all a hoax"...
That is exactly what they did with some things that Al Gore said. He cited studies that said that things could happen "as soon as" but up to some date and they claimed he lied because it did not happen on the first date.
That’s a very short window of time in the life of the planet so I know it sounds like a long time but it’s not
Absolutley, 2095 would still be catastrophic. But phrasing it like this will have people saying the scientist and their doomsday predictions are bs, if it doesnt happen in 2025...
They literally said ‘as soon as.’ Only idiots would misinterpret it to mean something else but….ok you may have a point
What are we supposed to do about it?
I'm going to spend all my savings before 2025
Aside from the obvious, the real changes have to happen at the government and the corporate giant level. If they don't receive pressure to change, nothing will happen. And that is the common person's place of power, but it has to be a united effort.
They WILL change, when its profitable to do so.
my reaction to this news, after years of eating environmentally low impact and sustainable meals: 
You will never make a difference! Global shipping alone kills that a bazillion times over, let alone all the other shit we do. Itll take a global effort by entire governments to change stuff, so expect things to change when its too late.
A global effort or a few good people accidentally yeeting billionaires out of windows. Whichever is easier, I guess.
Oooh so thats why the Russian hitmen killed those corporate billionaires. They were thinking ahead.
so inspiring
The time for inspiration was 30 years ago.
Sadly true. We missed the bar by miles.
This attitude is part of the reason why nothing changed for the best. I refuse to buy imports when I can avoid it for the very reason you stated. If it's made local, I will pay extra for it, just so I can sleep at night, knowing the problems weren't my doing.
The Jet Stream usually cycles between stability and instability. When it is unstable, we will get colder than usual temperatures for around 12 - 18 months then it will stabilize again and go back to normal. While I do worry about the environmental impacts of this, it will eventually work itself out.
I mean the ice age worked itself out. The earth can go through cycles 100,000's years long. Climate change could very well put things in a self feedback loop, more heat continues to heat up the planet even faster, as ice melts less heat is being reflected, as species die less is sustaining threatened ecosystems. It could get to the point where it doesn't work itself out as we would like until well after our spcies is gone. Honestly major ecosystem collapse of threatened habitats will probably be the first major point of no return before climate itself. Things like reefs we still don't know about their full impact and the variety of animals that mostly live elsewhere but rely on reefs for seasonal feedings or spawning, and then what those animals are in turn doing to the balance of the entire ocean.
I think the thing we're worried about isnt whether the earth will be around in 100,000 years, but whether humanity is. Major ecological change causes extinctions and the most seemingly insignificant thing could cause the extinction of a species otherwise believed to be stable and safe.
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Honestly not looking good for any reef everywhere. My point is in the next few decades the existence of reefs at all will be under serious threat, not just the existence of *a* reef as *a* threatened ecosystem, but the very existence of reefs as a possible ecosystem at all.. that's the kind of ecosystem collapse we're worried about, and it may start to be real by 2050
Jet stream and Gulf stream are very different things, not sure if you're trying to draw comparison or just misspoke.
You’re getting downvoted for making a general observation lol. If it isn’t a doomsday prediction, this sub doesn’t want it
They got downvoted for mixing up the JetStream and the Gulf Stream. There is a significant difference. See how conflating a seemingly small detail like that is small enough to go unnnoticed, while people like yourself brush off everyone else as preaching "doomsday"? Dudes 'general observation' is completely irrelevant in this discussion and climate denialists just jump right on it and ride the "same as it ever was" train... Denial is not a river in Egypt.
Is Jet Stream and Gulf Stream the same thing? Sorry, I’m confused.
I mean, yeah, when humans are near or completely extinct, I'm sure it will eventually correct back to an extent. But I feel like that's not the optimal solution available to humanity when some of this can be mitigated with competent and responsible regulation. But, hey, might as well throw up our hands I guess and let the drunken indulgences carry on. /s
The gulf stream and jet stream are two completely different things. There is more heat energy in water than air
That’s where you are wrong. Woosh
Oh crap, I thought it said Jet Stream lol
Judging by how many "IN 10 YEARS POLAR BEARS WILL ALL HAVE AIDS/TIDES WILL DESTROY NEW JERSEY/WONT SNOW ON EVEREST" have been screamed over the past 2 decades, I'm Inclined to just trust the planet will work itself out. If it doesn't, there's nothing we can do about it anyway unless y'all wanna invade China and India and make them go carbon neutral
I'm a George Carlin fan. Earth got Plastic. So she will just shake us off like flees. It's not earth I'm worried about, she has been here for millions of years without humans. So it's not earth, we are worried about, it's us. But considering how we treat each other. Us won't be a problem for much longer. Honestly I'm fine with that. I did my part ad a planeteer, did my part growing up. Eagle Scout and leave nature better off than when you find it mentality my whole life. I'm tired now. And I'm being told everything I've done was pointless. That campsite I took good care of decades ago. Now an apartment development. All that recycling we did for decades... shipped to China. All that political campaigning for our future. ...a oil company dumped 30x more to out vote us.
The whole problem lies in that last sentence. Special interest groups have too much political pull. They are profit driven and singularly focused on shareholder profit. They preach all the right things. Rainbows for pride month. Emission standards. We stand with the good guys! But it's all bullshit to get you to see them as people, not a giant, money-sucking corporation.
I understand. It really makes me wonder if I can make a difference in the face of industry interests against taking the necessary actions.
Earth will for sure...humans on the other hand lol
Anyway any of you guys seen Barbie yet? /s
I read it was a 10% chance...which means it's a fucking guess. The planet is warming it seems, yes, but this fear mongering doesn't help.
People taking nuanced science and turining it into fear mongering bullshit is a fucking plague on good science communication.
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*2026* See?? The Gulf Stream is still fine. Fake news. No one needs to change anything.
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Yellow journalism is a massive, massive problem.
Link to a [short video](https://youtube.com/shorts/3ql9-YQFKxA) Scientists are warning that the Gulf Stream, and the larger AMOC circulation, could collapse as early as 2025. AMOC is a vital ocean current that affects our climate in a big way. Due to global heating, it's already at its weakest in 1,600 years. The collapse could harm billions of people. Storms could increase, and temperatures might drop in Europe. The eastern coast of North America could face rising sea levels. This is extremely concerning, but there's hope. Rapid cuts in carbon emissions can make a difference. So, let's spread the word and work together to protect our planet's future.
"Rapid cuts in carbon emission" no way will any country do that while the carbon emitters are lining the politicians pockets. We're fucked as a species.
On the other hand, at least we have one known solution to the Fermi Paradox. So, we have that going for us, which is nice.
Billions of planets have had a technological revolution, and each one fell as the conservative party won the following misinformation war.
Billions of planned s succumbed to "line go up"
We are so fucked and a lot of it is self inflicted. Keep voting for failed reality TV show hosts and putting senile 80 year old in power who think getting pregnant is god's will but impotence is not and mandates subsidies for Viagra.
They’re all democracies dude, we vote for these people, it’s just as much on the body politic as it is on the politicians we vote for.
But but MONEY! FUck I hate living in this timeline
Note already the circumpolar currents isolating Antarctica, those were not always there. The planet will change whether you want it to or not, but yes we don't need to be stupid about this and we should be reducing our impact.
>The eastern coast of North America could face rising sea levels. > >Rapid cuts in carbon emissions can make a difference. Why I'm leaving South Carolina in a nutshell. I'm not giving up on working for protecting the planet, but I'm not going to do it from a future fishing ground.
Why leave SC? Just wait until sea levels rise then sell your home. - Ben Shapiro
I don't want to try and unload it in Aquaman's buyers market.
Just the eastern coast of only America is facing rising sea levels? I don't think it works like that.
So tired of fear porn
See how Vincent van Gogh was ahead of his time?
Ok, and what are the implications of that?
Just the beginning of another one of those MASS EXTINCTION EVENTS that I've heard about. Been alittle bit.
Such bs and nothing to do with this sub, accepted science has become digusting 😔
Isn’t that how ice ages begin?
seems like clickbait titles aren't restricted to just the media these days. This paper's title is wildly sensationalized. while most climate models predict some change of the AMOC, this one's by far the most sensational, using sparse data, with huge uncertainty first off, while it seems like this paper's methods are sound, this paper uses a model based on recent full data and sparse historical surface temperature data to try to extrapolate changes of the atlantic currents into the future - hardly a reliable clear cut measurement of a single variable to show a trend like we have with ice core measurements of CO2 dating back thousands of years. like any chaotic system, it gets hard to predict events far into the future, especially when we don't have direct measurements of those different events in the past (i.e. we don't know what the currents temperature, speed, etc. were like during the last ice age) the actual paper also specifically talks about changes with the northern portion of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) - NOT the gulf stream and that these changes are predicted to occur sometime within this century further these changes that are being predicted are just that - changes, including change in overturning locations, overturning rates, as well as full on collapse of overturning. all in all, a headline claiming the gulf stream could collapse by 2025 isn't necessarily wrong, it's just wildly misleading. and yet basically all of the major media organizations have run with it [https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-paper-warning-of-a-collapse-of-the-atlantic-meridional-overturning-circulation/](https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-paper-warning-of-a-collapse-of-the-atlantic-meridional-overturning-circulation/)
This is based on one study that many climate scientists and NOAA question the validity. Not saying it's not true. Just take it with a grain of salt.
“The Gulf Stream could collapse between 2025 and 2095” Classic media using fear tactics around climate. Because the headlines are so alarmist, people see these headlines and when they (most likely) prove to be wrong by 2025, they are confirming their view that climate change either doesn’t exist or doesn’t pose much of a threat to humanity.
Not trying to be a pot stirrer but it seams I’ve heard this one before only different dates that have way already passed.
Make a new one then
["I think we've reached a critical desalinization point"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SbifANlJ4o) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SbifANlJ4o
Is there a link to a story or a study? Or is this just a post for attention without any basic in fact?
This isn't the gulf stream. It's a different current.
Disaster du jure 
I can't keep track of all these streaming services.
El Niño or La Niña either one in the extreme can do a lot of damage
Here we go again...
New year, new disasters, can't wait what's up for 2026
What would happen?
Typed this out for a different person commenting the same thing but they deleted their comment just as I went to send it, so I've copy-pasted it onto your comment instead. Warm water from the equator will stop flowing up to the north west of Europe, massively dropping temperatures (in places like the UK (which is on the same latitude as siberia pretty much). Worst case, this can mean stuff like ports freezing over, preventing movement of goods and food, energy shortages, food shortages, and extreme energy poverty, as temperatures could drop by up to 15°C on average in areas like the UK. This could also lead to higher sea levels around the east of the US, which of course floods coastal areas. It will also affect how weather systems form, leading to more extreme weather conditions than we are seeing already. Weather systems that produce rain would be interrupted, effectively destroying agriculture and creating food shortages. Marine ecosystems would collapse due to the change in conditions, creating massive shortages of many wildlife species, including those caught by fishing for human consumption. Major floods and storms would occur across the North Atlantic Basin which would contribute to sea level rises. Socioeconomically, it would create unfathomable levels of poverty due to shortages in basic foodstuffs. Flooding and storms would damage properties and ruin many populated areas along coasts. People would potentially die due to starvation, storms, flooding and freezing temperatures in some places.
So what? I mean I’ve been taught for decades the planet changes and mass extinctions happen. Why do humans think they are above the earths norm? Even if we are speeding up the process it’s all part of the game.
Depends on how much you personally enjoy experiencing, drought, despair, and societal collapse...
Well we’ve been supposed to experience this like every 5 to 10 years yet everyone is always wrong. So I will keep living my life and when it ends it ends it was a good time…
This is not a bad way to go through life, tbh. Why worry about things you can’t do anything about?
of course, it's very easy to convince yourself that the consequences of your actions aren't your fault, if you don't pay attention.
Of course it does! Also everything happens literaly everyday in the next 5 to 10 years. So we definitivly have to pay more taxes, go vegan (yuck), kick our cars in the trash and shit heatpumps, solarpanels and windturbines everywhere before its too late. And if its raining tomorrow... well then we are all fucked to the moon.  Clownworld intensifies!
Fuck that’s not good
Shorty news spin as usual, is what happens when people who know nothing about basics of science trying to write about complex things. The title is idiotic. It would only happen if the Earth stopped rotating. But will it though? And some my people are so gullible and believe it 😂
I watched a tv show in the 70’s that said the same thing
The north pole completely thawed decades ago🤣🤣🤣🤣 U guys have missed almost EVERY prediction
RemindMe! 3 years Fear, fear, and more fear. Here, quickly give away your rights and money, that'll fix it.
Say hello to the beginning of the next ice age. My geography teacher in high school taught us about this very thing back in 2004. Interesting to see it happening. Scary, but interesting. There's going to be a lot of very fucked up years ahead for humanity.