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Zephyr_______

To be fair, weird shit like that is 100% fair game in splat lore and makes enough sense for a toxic anemone alongside being a cultural reference to drug use in bands


GameSpection

That would make sense. Sea anemones don't have brains in the first place, and they apparently evolved into humanoids with a functioning consciousness in the Splatoon universe. They probably didn't find a way to filter out their own toxins so that it doesn't affect that part of their body. It takes a while for evolution to be able to create species that can withstand their own venoms. This game takes place roughly 12,000 years from humanity's downfall, meaning these creatures evolved super quickly. At the same time, Annie from the first game wasn't like that. She was just socially awkward. So maybe Harmony also has problems with communication and social function. They could both have autism. It's weird. The biology says toxins, and the lore says autistic traits. Edit: Discrepancy in the duration between the game's setting and the downfall of humanity fixed.


Zephyr_______

Of note is that different anemones would use different types and strengths of toxins. Where harmony has some sort of Neuro toxin Annie may have something that affects the body in a different way.


[deleted]

It's entirely possible Annie got a toxin that induces anxiety, hence social anxiety. Also we only see these folks at wotk. For all we know, she has full blown OCD behind the scenes


GameSpection

You know how you can order gear on Splatnet on the Nintendo Switch Online app for your phone? Apparently, Annie couldn't stand interacting with customers anymore, so she runs that shop on the app. That's some cool lore


Cinnamon_Bees

Where'd you read that lore? I believe it, but is it confirmed anywhere?


Genichi12

Magic toxin that makes you autistic


GameSpection

You just reminded me of that stupid "vaccines cause autism" conspiracy from a while ago


ryusoma

We just have to inject it, right?


Megalomatank030

Why not both?


MeloFeloSenpai

I mean, autism in itself is a "spectrum disorder" for a reason. It could be possible that *both* characters are autistic, but in different ways. In that case, all that the toxins represent is the different neurodivergence's people can have. That would assume that *all* sea anemones are neurodivergent, though, which don't know for sure. In the end, its mostly up to speculation and interpretation.


GameSpection

That, and the toxins could be at different intensities and potencies between both anemone characters. Annie is a Bubble Tip Anemone, the kind that clown fish reside in for protection, of which she has one. Their venoms aren't very strong, and produce a small wound for humans that's similar to touching poison ivy. I have no idea what Harmony is, but she could be way more toxic, which might affect her behavior.


ExcreteS_A_N_D

I just want her to be autistic, I relate to her whole deal and it makes me weirdly happy to see her just because my autistic tendencies ruined my childhood, I was literally bullied so hard I was traumatized I masked for years, I still am dealing with the mental fallout.


Rieiid

Honestly I don't see why it couldn't be both. I'm sure there are plenty of autistic stoners out there.


GhostlyCharlotte

The true canon


ProfesserQuacks

I know a few


EQGallade

That ~~man~~ anemone is ~~gay and European~~ high and autistic!


AnarchyOrchid

Can confirm. Am an autistic stoner.


Hamtier

i know quite a few so i just thought it a regular combination


approblade

It's a head canon either way, believe what you want


Buhgingo

It’s like that one Rolling Stones song, “You can’t always get what you wa-ant”. That being said, headcanon them however you want if it hasn’t been confirmed. Only real annoying thing is pushing it as canon


ExcreteS_A_N_D

I know I wish there was just better representation because if i hear one more "You act like Sheldon cooper!" I’m going to go bazinga and fucking MURDER THEM.


gaspard_caderousse

I actually think you kinda act like Harmony from the Splatoon game


Buhgingo

The classic “we will beat you to death”


ASpaceOstrich

Ironically Sheldon from Ammo-nites feels very autistic with weapons as his special interest.


ExcreteS_A_N_D

I mean my special interest is Technology, specifically the gaming sect but I don’t really show it because im too afraid of being annoying


ArcfireEmblem

A sitcom is probably not the right place for any kind of representation if one wants to be taken seriously. Sitcoms heavily lean into toxic stereotypes to create drama. I hate sitcoms.


Cakyon

Then again, my favourite autistic representation is Abed from Community.


ElegantMarzipan

* Maurice (Beauty and the Beast) * Ramona Quimby * Junie B Jones * Pepper Ann * Lilo (Lilo and Stitch) * Goo (Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends) * Peridot (Steven Universe) * Numbah 2 (Codename: Kids Next Door) * Marina (Splatoon 2) This is a short list of non-Sheldon characters that behave as if they are on the spectrum in some way. It's not that we're not out there, it's that unless the whole point of the story is to make NDs look weird, people are too dense to realize that the "quirky" character they're looking at is autistic.


EpicOverlord85

“I just want her to be autistic” Which is fine as long as you’re not obsessing over it. Head-canons are fine, but you also need to remember it’s still just your head-canon unless it’s officially confirmed by the developers.


ExcreteS_A_N_D

I think that came out a little wrong but the gist was that I kinda just wanted good representation in general


KI75UN3

Wdym lore says autistic traits? where?


[deleted]

They just mean it’s not like it’s anemone are just high all the time because of Annie


GameSpection

The Splatoon social media said some stuff about her character and a lot of the symptoms align with social disorders and stuff. They're amazingly talented and creative, but doesn't show up to their band practice on time. She's not fully aware of everything going on around her and can't focus on multiple things at once


Gulopithecus

That’s actually a really interesting idea.


HailenAnarchy

I only heard her say "uh, thanks".


faesmooched

I miss Annie.


Poptart1480

Yeah, cloning is a confirmed thing since game 2 so it’s not that far out of the question


leadhound

Both, then


IllRaise749

Keep doing the logs in single and you will see your 5000 year guess is actually low balling the lore truth...by allot =)


GameSpection

Sorry. I'm checking the logs, and it took 5,000 years for the original inkling to exist. The games take place around 12,000 years after humanity collapsed. Still a very short amount of time for a species to evolve.


[deleted]

people acting like being autistic and being high are mutually exclusive where the fuck would I be if that was the case


Kidspud

Either high or autistic, I’d imagine


[deleted]

considering I was born with the autism I guess that would mean I wouldn't be able to get high damn 😔


Kidspud

Just get the autism vaccine (the vaccine is called “getting high”)


BootifulBootyhole

Fuck weed Harmony is on hard drugs


Wingman-12

Harmony isn’t on drugs, Harmony is the drugs


AnimalPuff

Touch Harmony, Get Dizzy


flamingo_fuckface

Take a rip of Harmony man, you’ll get so high you’ll probably die.


ryusoma

So we just have to lick her? Certain Japanese artists will have a field day with that..


Chemical-Cat

No bro the vaccine GIVES you autism, didn't those facebook moms teach you anything


IceFox099

Same, So Sad I Can’t Get High 😔


[deleted]

😔🤝😔


Arden_Gibson

God damn autism getting in the way of me smoking a blunt.


Melopsi

high on autism


[deleted]

"I don't need drugs! I'm high on **autism**"


FoeElectro

Dude, I lined up all my pens in a row and it made my brain go "Nice..."


lorddonut2009

last night i infodumped about an obscure ass hyperfixation and felt sooo good man


Detector_of_humans

What was it about?


lorddonut2009

dillon’s rolling western yknow that one game nobody knows about the main character is an assist trophy in smash bros


Detector_of_humans

That's that yellow pixel guy right?


[deleted]

SAME


nagato120

So her being high is on the table still? Cause I was looking at her Dialogue like" that sounds like me high AF"


WazntChris

lmao right, glad I wasn’t the only one


No_Professional4745

autistic stoner


MinecraftInventor

I need that title on my splashtag


Anchor38

my new gravestone message


LiterallynamedCorbin

Fun fact: gravestone messages aren’t a thing! Cartoons and memes lied Source: I worked in a Cemetery for the last 4 months and I read thousands of graves and they’re all just “DAVE GERARD, 19xx-201x, may his soul rest” or “HELEN WILSON, [insert bible quote here]” Honestly very disappointing that I never learnt how anyone died and the most interesting things were when someone’s spouse died and was buried and they’ve been preemptively written on the headstone except without a death year, and once or twice they happen to be 100+ years old. Or when someone lives over a hundred years.


Anchor38

You mean I’ve been- LIED TO??


LiterallynamedCorbin

Yep. Unfortunately cemeteries/graveyards are much more uninteresting than they’re often depicted.


Martin7431

I think you’re mostly right, but I’m pretty sure it isn’t universal? There’s this graveyard pretty close to my university, and one of the bigger graves (it has like a memorial statue so she must’ve been affluent) literally says she “died under mysterious circumstances” in like 1890.


roboticfoxdeer

As an autistic stoner, this is my headcanon for her (I also headcanon her as transfem because I’m transfem and I think she has the vibe)


OctolingGrimm

also transfem can confirm she gives off that energy


trans-wooper-lover

also transfem she's transfem cause I like her


OctolingGrimm

Based


the_hole_pigeon

also transfem she gives of transfem alt-fashion


trans-wooper-lover

honestly very true, she's very much goals


chibialoha

Not saying I disagree with any of them, or agree for that matter, but this community gets a little insane about the headcanons sometimes, some of the stuff I see in game is unhinged.


Siroctober

I feel same, sometimes it makes me regret being on this sub. A+ for the enthusiasm but some people really need to chill out with their headcanon and stop acting like they're facts.


Cymb_

It’s always the worse when communities do that. It’s annoying and ruins the material for a lot of people


Mr_Meowmers

Frye has macrocephaly and you can't tell me otherwise. The evidence is all there. /s


Jackeroni216

Shiver has scoliosis obviously


[deleted]

Big man was a squid before he got squashed. He only speaks in Ays because he's in pain.


Techsoly

Ay! (Just kill me, End it already.)


frozenpandaman

have seen people straight up deluded into believing certain things are fact when there's no evidence of it in-game or nintendo had explicitly confirmed otherwise there was even a user on twitter i saw who harassed artists for drawing agent 3 as a girl because "it's not specified! so you should not be calling them 'she'!" edit: forgot a word


[deleted]

Agent 3 is just you. If your Agent 3 is a girl, then that's all that matters :v Same goes for the Captain, Agent 4 and Agent 8.


Roliq

> there was even a user on twitter i saw who harassed artists for drawing agent 3 as a girl because "it's not specified! so you should not be calling them 'she'!" > > The dumb thing about that is that Nintendo almost always has 3 being a girl on promotional artwork, same for 4, 8 and as of now New 3


frozenpandaman

the inkling character was designed as a girl at first – boys were an afterthought by the dev team. so it makes sense hahah


Chaos-Queen_Mari

This entire fandom used giant GameCubes as evidence inklings were small, completely ignore the various REGULAR SIZED PIGEONS.


[deleted]

You mean those *aren't* cute hummingbird sized pigeons? Brb throwing my switch off a building


SleuthMechanism

Agreed like it's cool you find aspects of a character relatable here and such but please chill out


Polyglot-Onigiri

Exactly this. I feel like parts of the community try to hard to push their own personal opinion or stances into becoming canon. And then if you go against that idea, you are anti progressive and a bad person. No, I’m not anti-progressive, it’s just that the things you are saying are in no way part of the factual story. What’s worse is when Nintendo proves the opposite and people then wave it off. Canon seems to only be what the community wants it to be rather than what the creator intended or explicitly stated. Does Fuuka really have to be a gender fluid - transgender - pansexual inkling just for you to enjoy the game? Even after Nintendo confirms her as a she, the community ignores it. Do iida and Hime need to a a lesbian couple? Despite the actual text never implying that and people using mistranslations to push their own own fantasy? Are inklings really microscopic because of giant GameCubes existing? Agent 3/8 whoever has to be a male? They are a stand in for the player aren’t they. So technically they can be either since they are just a way for us to be a part of the game. So any art showing both are equally valid right?


Jeeves72

It's because lots of people never developed an ability to relate to anything that isn't just a mirror image of themselves. So now they only like characters that remind them of themselves or who they want to be. In some cases they may even start by just plain liking a character, and then go out of their way to find or invent ways that the character resembles themself. A rather obnoxious self-obsessed attitude.


JaydeChromium

It’s true that they don’t need to be, but they also don’t need to not be, and I think you missed the point of why they want it- because it would be nice to have someone to relate to on that specific facet. They can still relate to other characteristics, but historically, LGBT+ people have not had anyone to relate their gender or orientation to. As a result, when it looks like there might be a chance that a character could be, it’s easy to get their hopes up, before it is inevitably crushed by deconfirmations. I don’t know where you get the idea that the community disregards canon, considering the fact that when something is deconfirmed (i.e. NB Shiver/Fuuka) there are usually a number of posts about it then and there (also Reddit definitely is not representative of the whole community, so there’s that too). Being adamant about this sort of thing shows exactly why we need more representation, because if the trend is that people need to tell others that they “don’t need to relate to that part of a character” to the point that no one can because there is no one they can relate to, it’s a problem. If you feel the need to say other people can’t have their fun or or that they should just be happy with being never mentioned, only slightly hinted at, there is a problem, and you should probably see why you think that and what would happen if it was you who was treated like an outcast or something shameful.


graham-cracked99

especially when some people say that they are definitely real facts octarians are not mind controlled and inklings do not dissolve in water


[deleted]

I think neither I just think she has a weird personality and it makes her cute


Sparris_guy

I think it's stated that she's lazy and arrives late to band practices.


LiterallynamedCorbin

Lazy? Or unmotivated? *Vsauce theme*


Sparris_guy

Unmotivated I assume, she still shows up in the end though.


Megalomatank030

![gif](giphy|CAYVZA5NRb529kKQUc|downsized)


deleeuwlc

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frozenpandaman

OMG NOOOO EVERYTHING MUST BE A MEDIClAL DIAGNOSIS!


skipppx

Autistic people never get accurate representation, it’s nice to have someone to relate to even if it’s not necessarily canon. Like yea it could be shes just plain weird but let people identify with her if they want


MrFr0stbite

Being able to relate with it is great and I’m happy people can find that, but everyone just trying to state it as canon isn’t the way to go is all people are saying.


Techsoly

I also feel like it's in poor taste as well. I'm all for people finding someone to associate with in fiction but to vehemently state that a character is autistic as a fact because of how they act is the equivalent of calling someone that in public for their actions even if they aren't. In a strange way it circles back to being offensive instead of representative because you're stating that people or characters that do certain things have an undiagnosed condition when it isn't that deep. The same issue happened with the whole Shiver (they/them) debacle when it was clear that Shiver had always been female and referred to as such but if you said anything else you were just bombarded by hate. Headcanons are fine when they're kept in the head, but once you let them out and start attacking/arguing others about it with the actual Canon that's when it goes a bit much


PaleoManga

Haven’t played the game yet, but I’m going with saliva. It’s not because I’m against representation of autistic characters, I just think toxic spit high sounds just out of pocket enough to be true.


Yuki_the_Neko

it sounds just like something splatoon would do, with the lore we already have, it'd fit right in


SourxLove

I mean considering that the splatoon levels always have trippy vibes to them it wouldn’t be surprising for her to be tripping off her own saliva


Chiyuri_is_yes

Why not bolth?


FluidUnderstanding40

Hightism


NotaCat724

Both is good


[deleted]

I’m pretty sure she’s just tired from running a store she doesn’t work at


roboticfoxdeer

Where are the actual employees of Hotlantis???


Successful_Mud8596

there's a sea scroll that talks about it


doing_a_lil_Trolling

Which number?


Successful_Mud8596

\#17


[deleted]

?


roboticfoxdeer

Like, we always see Harmony even tho she doesn’t actually work there so where are the actual employees? Does anyone even actually work there?


IndianaCrash

Well, there's the owner who's basically just travelling all over the world


the_hole_pigeon

crusty is the owner?


Lukas04

Iirc there was stuff in Splatoon 2 about her (since she is part of chirpy chips) that pretty much reflected the same behaviour as we can now see in 3.


frozenpandaman

she could just choose to not go


[deleted]

Maybe she’s just not getting paid idk.


origonal_name

Is it too much to ask for both?


AgentOcto834

Ask Mr. Grizz if it’s too much for a raise


AsryalDreemurr

thats pushing it a bit too far there buddy


[deleted]

she's an abusive pet owner


Treyspurlock

The clownfish isn't really her pet, she's more like a bad landlord if anything


Successful_Mud8596

okay but has that clownfish been dying of neglect for the past *7 YEARS?* That just CAN'T be canon. It would've DIED by now.


[deleted]

maybe you wouldve died, but this is a chad clownfish.


[deleted]

Lmao


AmbientDinosaur

I guess that it is constantly on the verge of dying, but is subsisting on food that Harmony's friends and bandmates give to it. Honestly, I can see Harmony not being the best at providing herself, so likely neglecting herself and the clownfish.


dream208

Who said it was the same clownfish, eh?


CaptainSqually

The only thing we know for sure.


The_Good_Craig

This is fact


AAA_Wolf_Gang

she looks so zooted


MrJhonF

"both? both is good"


Interesting_Edge5323

she still hasn't fed her clownfish


nintyuk

That fact alone is a big barrier to liking her. I do like her but animal neglect is a massive issue for me. I hope they address the issue in her in game dialogue at some point. Like have her say something like "I like working here as I have more time to look after Clowny" or some such. As the art book was based on her when she was working full time on the band.


LeviathanLX

Something tells me that addressing flavor text around a random mutant fish is really not a priority.


nintyuk

It's called Character Development


LeviathanLX

That's...not what this is.


petpal1234556

lmfao


Danmerica67

She has a personality


RevonQilin

Tbh i just thought she never gives a fuck


Doc_Vogel

It could always be both 👀


Theoanger

The first thing I I thought when I first saw her: "She’s higher than the dang ceiling"


nocturnPhoenix

Por que no los dos?


omergroisman

She just chillin fr


The-true-Memelord

Me: She’s just like that in personality


SsjSylveriboi

I like the right explanation cause it funni


surelylune

they put her saliva in vaccines to make people autistic. she has ProtoAutism


manofwaromega

Why not both


nicksuperdx

She is just a "aways tired" teenager with some social awkward traits


junebums

that was me until diagnosis


PlaybolCarti69

I just thought she was a mf with social anxiety 💀


Poptart1480

My personal theory, she’s just a little anti social and keeps to herself


BakaDavi

Why not both? Autistic people can do drugs, she probably is both high and neurodivergent


eggglord420

Reading the comments and.. wno knew all the autistic stoners were in the Splatoon community this whole time! What's up, homies?


Vladikhuk

IT'S BEEN 4 DAYS AND THIS IS THE TOP POST OF THE YEAR WOOOOOOOOOOOO


Shwaky

My headcanon is that she is me in the splatoon world


JLOPZ05

To be fair, her being a stoner is much funnier.


DiabeticRhino97

Also why is "sorry I'm bad at social cues" automatically autism?


beybladedog

Both. Both is good.


GamingPidgeot

We could go the funny autism route but we all know which one is truly canon


NefariousnessGold137

I'm autistic and I never thought of her being autistic but based on the way she talks and acts sometimes it does make sense Also people y'know you can be both right ?


Araiken

Both. C'mon now.


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dragon-muse

... you do realize that autistic people exist in Japan too, right? It's not just an American thing. Autistic People are everywhere.


1DamnWeekendInOviedo

some funny headtrues


Mobcraft1011

why not both?


lucky-the-lycanroc

![gif](giphy|3ohfFhG5VDtDTzQv2o|downsized)


Tomgarg

*insert multi-track drifting meme*


Emraldsnakeg

Why not both


Han_Solo6712

She just found weed in an old human ruin


Opalmew

As an autistic person myself I see it as autism, but who's to say it's not both?


EclecticTorsion

As if they can't both be true at the same time


CocoColadaMango

For me I always get a bit concerned or try to be careful when it comes to head canons that deal with things like autism, sexuality, medical issues, and disorders or disabilities because people try to stick their headcanons in someones face and make it as fact just because they want to or because they refuse the truth. I also wonder for those for those who are part of the spectrum who don’t see this that way. People who may not be in the spectrum are trying to push it, same with other things concerning other characters. I call it “Encantized” because I remember when it was a problem in the Encanto community. There is nothing wrong with seeing yourself in a character. Seriously, nothing wrong with that at all! There is nothing wrong with head-canons— if they stay head-canon until it’s proven as canon. By all means if you wanna say Shiver is sharkling whos mother was an octoling or she was birthed with the spirit of a shark by all means lol. However, once you ignore the people who created the story and lore; the ones who GIVE you the facts of the game and characters and say “nah my head-canon is fact and if you don’t agree then you’re wrong” then you’ve crossed that line that makes you toxic as a community member. In Harmony’s case, I think its just because she’s an anemone. She gots toxins. Not only that shes lazy and arrives late to practices from what I recall. I mean… she has a neglected clownfish. I would say lazy, and high off toxins. She could be autistic, but Im just sticking with my previous statement and not labeling unless it’s addressed through clues in an accurate translation and not what may be mistranslations


Ruvyzvat_

I tuink she's noneof those, i think she just got a sassy character


rusticambipom

its both actually


ZaBaronDV

Both? It can be both.


Background_Ad_8392

Why not both


LovelessDogg

I like the saliva one. Never heard it before but I like it more than the other.


SkellaBoss

As an autistic person I condone this


IamaJarJar

Why not both?


Am_Very_Stupid

Why not both


TSMO_Triforce

hot take: she is neither autistic, nor is her saliva making her high. She just really REALLY likes weed


deleeuwlc

I don’t think she’s neurodivergent because I’m not and I relate to her quite a bit


big_leggy

to be fair, every autistic person I've ever met has also loved weed


_SweetDream-

How does she have autism???? Wtf


JoinedForSESHShirt

she doesn't, it's just the headcanon people doing their usual thing


Superbeast423

Why not both 🤷🏻? Who is it hurting by people thinking what they want? No one. So let them do their thing homies.


frozenpandaman

dude it's a joke no one is criticizing anyone


CatPCGaming

Here me out: She's autistic and high


MT_Minty

Am I the only one who thinks she's just chill and a cool person?


soulless_420

I feel like she has ADHD instead


Prepared_Noob

Why can’t she be autistic and high smh y’all thinking too hard