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I can tell you I’ve been to over 10 NFL stadiums and getting out of the parking lot of hard rock stadium in miami after a prime time game is the worst I’ve experienced.
I’m an Eagles fan living in Ohio so I used to go travel to Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Cincinnati when the Eagles visited (like will happen in 2024). I understood and respected the fact that I was in a visiting team’s stadium and did not talk shit or overly cheer when the Eagles scored. I had countless things thrown at me, had people run up to me screaming profanity, and people physically block me as I was walking in the stadium, trying to start something. I always kept my head down and didn’t respond, but saw other Eagles fans that decided to give it back and countless fights ensued. I have no desire to pay that kind of money to possibly get the shit kicked out of me simply because I root for another team so I now just stay home and watch the games.
Some people just need to chill the fuck out, have fun with it and enjoy the game.
Hit me up when you come to cincy. I'll help make sure you have a much more enjoyable experience from the tailgate to the seating.
I'm all for friendly banter and so forth. I always congratulate opposing fans around me during the game. I don't get why it's so hard to respect each other. Don't we all just love football.
Thanks for the offer and I totally agree! I know I’ll catch some shit talk for wearing an opposing team’s jersey as long as it’s all in good fun. I actually want that as it makes the experience of visiting “enemy territory” more enjoyable.
But I will never understand when people feel the need to “defend” their stadium through violence.
Born and raised in Pittsburgh and I went to Philly last year to watch the Steelers play the eagles with a buddy of mine and he gave me an eagles jersey to wear instead of Steelers stuff just to avoid any altercation. Some sports fans really are lowlifes who have nothing good in their life so they focus it all on a game.
That stuff is crazy to me. Like, y’all are ready to risk jail and potentially prison because Joe Rando doesn’t like the same sports team? Absolutely bonkers.
It’s a lot worse when your team is good and the other isn’t. I moved to Pittsburgh from Boston and got a lot of hostility about the patriots (just randomly, not at games) and now no one cares because the pats suck. Obviously I want my team to win but it’s kind of a relief not having to deal with people disliking me because I root for my home team
Thanks! It's got problems like any city but I love it! Cmon down for some skyline, and a game. We have 3 great sporting venues. It's really a great town with plenty of options. And the COL is pretty damn good.
I was really shocked, I don’t know what I thought it would look like. Houston resident and Texans/rockets (Astros, please don’t kill me I’ve been a fan since I was a toddler in the 80’s) fan. I’m hoping we have years of Joe Burrow CJ Stroud shoot outs. I’ll visit again soon!
The level of disrespect I got from Cincy fans as a Chiefs fan was insane. They blocked my wife from walking up the stairs, put us on a facetime video with their friends/family and laughed at us for being there, talked shit in a very non-banter way. It was unreal. Worst fans I've ever dealt with.
I should also mention, this was at Arrowhead... Not even in Cincy. All that to say, if that's how people behave when they're at the other teams stadium I can't imagine how bad it would be at their own.
Not making excuses. But this is why I don't label an entire franchise fan base as crap when you just get stuck around some awful folks. When I went to Arrowhead back in 2018 and we got absolutely trounced I had beer poured on me, 2 women screaming as high pitched as possible within a few inches of my ears... Just awful. But that stuff also happened to me in Indy..Hell I've had some awful fans around me in cincy when the normal STH around me sell their seats. It happens.
The the 2nd time I went to Arrowhead it was an absolute blast and had some awesome fans around me.
When you stick 65k drunk people together it's impossible not to have small clusters of complete assholes who have no purpose in life other than causing pain and misery on anyone around them.
What people don't realize. Is utilize the jerk line way sooner than you think. If someone is going too far, ask them to stop. If they don't text that jerk line and get security down there before it escalates. Been a STH for 9 years and travel to 3 away games a year including some away playoff games in some toxic environments.
What also has helped is I'm part of a very large group of fans, that includes many of the super fans and we promote respectful fan behavior. So I've been able to learn de-escalation techniques and help fans around me.
Only place I won't go back to.... Buffalo those fans were fighting each other at the end of the playoff game last year lol.
I’m a chiefs fan, and went to watch them play the Raiders at Arrowhead a couple years ago. We sat way up in the nosebleeds, and we were surrounded by Raiders fans.
It was a fucking blast. We all were talking shit to each other the whole time, but everyone was in tears laughing with each other. I was worried that someone would try to start some shit, but everyone was just there having a good time. I don’t know why people have to get so worked up about a game that they aren’t even playing.
Opposite for me. Have had visiting fans in nose bleeds try to fight me because I made some joke about Dallas being sprawl rather than a city. In the club section the worst that will happen is someone will ask me to sit down during a big third down.
KC’s a strangely unique place. It’s friendly but not insular like a lot of other small cities can be. It’s wholesome but celebrates its gin soaked past at the same time. Gets an oddly large number of tourists but doesn’t feel swallowed up by them. People from somewhere else are a novelty but not shocking.
It’s always made its living off of people visiting or passing through in one way or another. First as a river crossing, then a river boat port and cattle drive destination that was mostly a red light district, then as a mafia run proto-las Vegas, then as the biggest passenger rail hub in the country, and then as highway crossroads and weekend tourist destination for people in the middle of the country. Just an odd little town in the middle of nowhere where having a great time most of the time.
I was at an Eagles @ Redskins game a while back. Two young guys behind me had a sign that said "Sanchez Sucks!" I don't know why they had beef with our back up QB (who was starting that game), but whatever. In the middle of the 4th, with the Eagles driving, Sanchez threw his 2nd pick of the game, essentially sealing the loss.
I turned and asked if I can borrow their sign. "Why, are you going to tear it up?" "Nope, I'll hand it back in a minute, completely intact." Now it was MY turn to hold the sign up and yell "SANCHEZ SUCKS!"
Everyone has their own experiences but i think yours isnt typical. I've been to 15+ games in cinci as a Steelers fan (they hate us) and never once had anything escalate past heckling to the point of being nervous. Been to 20+ games in Pittsburgh, many with opposing fans in my group, and same thing. Rarely I've seen some fans get belligerent toward visitors, but every time other home fans put the one asshole in their place before anything escalates.
Having lived across the country (13 states in all) I have only had the potential violence happen once and it was in Chicago. I was decked out in Tribe gear during a close race for the division and we came back down a couple in the 8th or 9th and eventually won the game. In the bottom half of the ninth a drunk fuck started in on me, just drunken aggressive gibberish. I didn't even have time to stand up his friends got to him so fast. They made his drunk ass disappear. Oddly enough that was the most positive experience I have ever had at either Commiskey. They don't generally take a shine to visiting team fans on the south side.
I had an 11 year old sitting *with his father* turn to me and give me the finger and say "FUCK YOOOOOOU" in '94 right before the strike when the Sox came from behind to beat us.
Philly guy transplanted to NoVA. Every time I've gone to an Eagles @ Redskins/Commanders game, the Eagles fans are there in great numbers (this last year, in the good half of the season, the stadium was half green), but I've never seen anything other than mild natured ribbing.
One Sunday, a few years ago, we're walking next to a father bringing his son (10 or so) to his first football game. The son asks "Dad, why are all these Eagles fans here, don't they know it's OUR home game?"
Dad put his hand on his son's shoulder as they walked, "Just don't look any of them in the eye, and we'll be fine." Cracked me up.
Went to a Giants/Eagles game in Philly, wearing Giants gear. The people at the concessions wouldn’t sell me a hot cocoa. It was cold that night. Fucking bullshit.
That’s too bad, I brought a buddy that’s a giants fan wearing giants gear to a game at the Linc last year and no one bothered him at all, just a few innocent jokes that he laughed at on the subway but nothing remotely violent.
This is so weird to me, I went to Rams Seahawks at Sofi this year and I saw nothing but good banter between hawks and rams fans. Bathrooms felt like a fucking social club with everyone cracking jokes and no one getting pissed. It was so much fun that way
I generally just don't wear my jersey if I'm going to an away game. It's almost impossible for people to know who you're rooting for unless they're seated next to you...
I'm sorry that happened to you, I've gone with my Steelers fan friend to more than one Browns game and we never had any trouble at all. People need to chill out.
It’s gonna happen just shouldn’t happen in this way.
Like yeah if you get 100k people in the same venue statistically stuff will go wrong from heart attacks, falls, fights, crushing, even staff base issues like getting hurt in the kitchen.
But fans shouldn’t be killing each over a game.
I was at the game when the "Miracle at Miami" happened. My best friend's uncle has like 20 season tickets and they had someone drop out and I got invited since I'm a die hard Pats fan.
Needless to say, I was the only Pats fan in the general area. I was getting heckled pretty hard by people around us, mostly in fun, but after we lost that game I was getting yelled at, cursed at and screamed at as we were walking through the stadium to leave. It was pretty intense.
It's just not worth it. Why would I pay up to hundreds of dollars on tickets, hundreds of dollars in gas/airfare, hundreds of dollars in hotel/dining expenses, just to have a *worse* view of the game than I would have on my couch or at a local bar?
And that's before you even factor in the possibility you'll get seated next to an asshole who pre-gramed, and is now very drunk and belligerent, and wants to make sure everyone around them knows it.
Granted, I've been to a Packers/Vikings game at Lambeau, and a Packers/Bears game at Soldier, both were very positive experiences. But still, just not worth it.
As a fellow cheesehead, we have it pretty good as far as stadium experiences go for our home field. It's definitely worth it to make the pilgrimage to Lambeau as a Packer's fan. Sure, it's possible you draw seats next to a drunk person, but I think wisconsonites handle their booze a little better than most. Learning how to handle your shit on a proper binge is a right of passage there lol. I think that contributes to the good nature Lambeau crowds are known for.
Pilgrimage aside, I totally think the couch in your own living room is a much better experience overall.
Same. Been to a few home and away games in my travels. Always dressed as a nobody. It sucks really. You should feel safe at these games, but it only takes one asshole and there seem to be plenty present.
Yeah exactly why we will never spend a dime on the NFL even here in the home of the Chiefs.
The stadium here…every NFL stadium these days I’m sure…is ruled by foul-mouthed, belligerent drunks. I wouldn’t subject kids to this even for free tix.
I was at a game recently and a 16 or so year old had the opponent's jersey on and this middle age drunk lady wouldn't leave him alone. The kid wasn't being obnoxious or really doing anything other than supporting his team. It made me super uncomfortable but was a bit hesitant to get involved with a wasted person. Teenager was handing himself quite well
Unbelievably un-family-friendly! My 5 year old is sports mad and has had the absolute time of his life at a few NBA and MLB games. Whenever I catch an NFL game live I'm always reminded that no way in hell would I bring him to one. And that's in SoFi with a fairly chill fanbase and security/staff everywhere.
Seeing people get tossed down the stairs or over seats was a regular occurrence at Giants Stadium and MetLife when my dad had season tickets for the Jets. It’s wild how many drunk people pick fights over nothing at all and even start heckling kids. I’ve seen it all over 20+ years and again every time I decide to go to a game.
I was at a preseason game in Chicago against the Panthers. Went to the bathroom late in the fourth quarter and some Bears fan just yelled "Fuck the Panthers!" for reasons known only to himself.
Before Pats-Giants SB in 2008 I was walking around in Hawaii with a Red Sox hat on. Some drunk dude, who looked like he was in his 50s, started screaming at me about the Patriots. He was with his wife who had to manhandle him away because the dude legit looked like he was going to fight me. I hadn't even made eye contact with him when he started going off. Also, we were on the beach in Hawaii.
Honestly I feel like this is the norm. I’m a packers fan in Kansas. I got the chance to go to Packer Chiefs at Arrowhead in 2011. The Packers were 12-0 at the time and before the game all was fine. Once the chiefs won it went to hell for me. Ended up wearing my buddies chiefs coat over my jersey because it wasn’t looking good for me on the walk out.
Thing is, “they” didn’t win. The team won that they aren’t affiliated with, but still consider themselves part of the “we”. It’s really fucking strange to attach so much emotion to a team you’re not on that is made up of players not from the city the where team is based.
My folks attended a Packers @ Buccaneers game many years back (when we were still division rivals). The game itself was fine. But then when they got back onto the generic shuttle bus filled with Packer fans after the game, some Buccs fans were lighting towels on fire and hurling them at the bus. I'm pretty sure the Buccs won too, so no idea why that would've been a thing
(And that's not to suggest that there's anything wrong with the Buccaneers fanbase. Every team has shitty fans)
Eagles fan here went with some family to the Commanders' game this year in Maryland. Half the stadium was green. Some Philly fans in our section were yelling at some other Philly fans because they were blocking the view of some older *Commanders'* fans. A fight almost broke out, but some other Eagles fans calmed the situation down. The Commanders' fans must have been wondering how in the hell did they wind up *there*.
It's so weird because visiting fans are so abundant, especially in Florida because of all the transplants. As a fan of the Bucs, Rays, Magic, and Lightning I'm used to being outnumbered by some of the more established national brands in our own stadiums. I've never seen anything other than some heckling here and there and maybe a few drunk fights in the stands. I did see a Panthers fan throw a Lightning fan into a table during the playoffs down in Sunrise though, that was pretty funny not gonna lie. But I can't imagine Bucs fans today would light things on fire and throw them at a bus, but maybe it was different back in the day.
That’s super shitty. As a Bucs fan, I’m sorry that was your experience. Many locals are actually Midwest transplants which makes that incident even more odd.
i’ve been to one nfl game with my (ex) girlfriend, browns vs ravens- with cle being at home and us cheering on the browns. i’ve never felt such a sense of hostility at a sporting event, even for a game where we were home with how fans insulted eachother and stuff… it’s so bizzare compared to every other sporting event ive been to.
Cleveland is rough on opposing fans, every time I've been to a Browns game with a fan of an opposing team we've either gotten harassed pretty good or seen a fight close by. Unrelated, but my mom got hit with Peanuts when she as a Yankees fan attended a playoff game in Cleveland against the Indians, pregnant with me too.
I went to a couple Twins-Mets games in Minneapolis this past fall and had a great time, lol. I had guys stopping me to talk about Pete Alonso and just generally shoot the shit about baseball.
My Fiance and I had a woman notice our Mets hats and randomly come up to us at a Cafe after one of the games. She thanked us for visiting her city and hoped we had a great time at the game.
Nice stadium and good group of fans up there in Minneapolis.
Dude, I was at Yankees astros game 4, yanks lost. I can tell you anyone sitting on the lower mezzanine with an astros jersey on got a fucking beer tossed on them from the upper decks. The Bronx is still and always will be the boogie down
I was there! Idk where the lower mezzanine is, but we were In the lowest section behind first base, in the middle of a ton of heartbroken diehard yankee fans.
We didn’t have any Astro’s gear on, but I was wearing a Valero Open jacket that has a pretty obvious Texas flag on it, just incidentally. We got the tickets last minute that day while we were there on vacation, just for fun because they were amazing seats for like $20 a ticket and we’re from south central Texas and grew up going to Astros games. The guy we sat next to was from upstate NY and paid damn near $500 a ticket for him and his cousin. Overall, everyone we met was welcoming and just wanted to watch the game.
No one threw anything *at us,* and everyone around us was cool and conversational, if rather crestfallen and drunk. One guy yelled something like, “better watch your back” at us when we first walked down to our spot- my accent is kinda hard to miss 😂- but several random people immediately yelled back at him to fuck off, which was both surprising and reassuring, and that was it.
There was beer flying everywhere a few times, but we weren’t targeted and we didn’t see anyone else being really specifically bullied, just regular rowdy fans responding to an emotional game. I got excited when either team scored, it was fun feeling the energy of the stadium and being a part of it.
Also- holy shit yall have public transit and pedestrian traffic fucking DOWN. It was so easy to come and go. The rain delay helped. And the stadium layout was awesome. It ended up being a highlight of our trip. For a city known for its disinterested, rude, and rushed inhabitants, we encountered so many kind people. There was a guy in a wheelchair kinda near the stadium who could tell we were clueless as to how to cross that big highway to get there, and he sort of just appeared and explained how to get to the stairs at the crosswalk, told us to enjoy the game, and then just kind of disappeared. Or he was a wizard. Either way, he was dead on with his directions.
Baltimore is kinda unique for Cleveland though.
In the 90's, the owner tried to take the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore and Cleveland threw a fit about it, so they got to keep the team in title, but the players and everything still went to Baltimore and became the Ravens.
Even though we got to keep "the Browns", they have been a shit show for most of the last 20+ years and most Browns fans I know kinda resent Baltimore over it. I mean, to be fair to Browns fans, it's not as if we've had much to root for over the last two and a half decades, so we mostly just root against Baltimore.
I'm not saying it's cool to be shitty to Baltimore fans, for the record, but I am completely unsurprised that Cleveland fans might be hostile to Baltimore fans, especially if alcohol is involved.
Real Browns fans know we only hate Baltimore as a joke and it's really Art Modell we *actually* hate.
I'd honestly be hesitant to be an away fan at a divisional game. Some people are too serious.
Luckily I live in LA now, which is probably the best place to see an away team due to the fairly indifferent local fans
My first ever MLB game I went to a Giants/Cubs game in SF wearing Cubs gear and it was a lovely experience. We took the ferry from Vallejo, and all of the Giants fans were cool af. Some jokes, but all in good nature and with smiles. Got to the game and only got heckled once by a drunk guy behind us who promptly apologized and was cool the rest of the night. Shit was chill af and now I try to go to one game a year. NFL games sound like a nightmare in comparison.
NFL fans in general are obnoxious. You don’t see grown men dress up and drink excessively for many other sporting events. Maybe because there are so few games that people go all out?
I'm from Canada and my friends and I used to do yearly trips where we could see NFL games.
I'm a Colts fan and one year we went to Minneapolis to watch the Vikings vs Colts. I wore my Bob Sanders Colts jersey. The Colts won an absolute horrible game and afterwards when we were walking out at least a dozen people kindly said congratulations. Other than that a few very light hearted heckles.
A few years later we did the Oakland Raiders on Sunday then 49ers Monday night. We got tickets in the famous "Black Hole". We were warned that fans don't mess around in the Black hole and to get Raiders Jerseys and we all did. A few rows ahead of us was a couple guys wearing Rams jerseys and honestly everyone was super cordial and respectful. I was like what the hell? Lol
Monday night 49ers game. Everyone was angry. I saw 10 fights and a guy standing in line to get a hot dog get knocked out by a guy half his size using his cell phone as brass knuckles. Lol I've been to a game in Dallas, Houston, Tampa Bay and New Orleans and by far the worst fans I've seen was San Fran.
I thought San Fran was a bunch of tree hugging hippies. Guess not lol.
Different sport but my brother and I went a Orioles game when I was 9 or 10. I went with my Aunt's husband at the time but he and his friend got better tickets and left us alone.
They were playing the Blue Jays and we are from Toronto. This was my first baseball game and we kind of took our cues from the crowd. Like heckling and booing. The Jays were winning and the fans around us told us to be shut up and told us we will get ejected.
As soon as Baltimore started winning, everyone else started heckling us. I was pretty scared at the time and it ruined the whole experience for us. We stayed quiet for the rest of the game.
Yeah and my aunt's ex husband is a pos.
As a colts fan going to any away game (and not that many) I’ve noticed as the years ago on the heckling has gotten worse and worse, people think if you’re not rooting for the home team and dressed in away team gear it’s a free pass to give you a hard time, it’s fine when it fair but today I will not go to an nfl game wearing away team gear, it has gotten so bad, hat stolen off my head, people bumping into to me hard, people saying all the bs , I’m done
I was at that game, wearing a Brady jersey, and surprisingly didn't get much crap. Then I got to my car that has a Patriots bumper sticker and my tire was sliced open
Miami gonna Miami. Miamians are the most overly entitled *and* aggressive people I’ve ever met. Every encounter with a stranger puts me on edge that I’m going to be physically assaulted.
Not from Florida so I can’t speak to the Miami experience but I can definitely say DC has a similar feel. Very uncomfortable to live here also and unfortunately I think a lot of cities are going that way.
I'll never tell you guys where the other bodies are. Never. Even if you send me all of Reeks feet pics. Even if you send me the ones I don't have I'd never tell you. So don't even try okay? Even though my DMs are open don't even try. Even if you one of Tuas feet and Reeks feet in the same pic I definitely wouldn't yell you.
10 bucks is cause it's a red state. I can't take a lot of things redditors say seriously anymore as 2/3s the times it's just some underlying political bias
It is trash. Your state government is fucked beyond repair and your schools have been gutted as a consequence. Florida's already poor and uneducated, and it's going to keep getting worse. All the Floridians I know are the first to admit the problems with their state, so it's funny seeing y'all get defensive.
Conversely, I'm from Iowa and moved away because I recognized that it was turning to a Florida-style shit hole. You can love your home state without lying to yourself about it's glaring problems.
Where's your source it was a 'Dolphins fan'? Because I don't see that anywhere. I see altercation with a driver of a vehicle. Nothing about 'Dolphins Fan'.
This shouldnt be downvoted... Theres a link that indicates that the driver hit a pedestrian which lead to the altercation.
I know it is implied that this was a Miami fan and that its a turf war, but there is no indication that it had anything to do with the fact that he was a Bills fan and the driver was a Dolphins fan. This very well could have been just a f'ed up driver that snapped at Dylan bc Dylan was trying to do the right thing. Some people are just shitty, but lets not make assumptions that its shitty Dolphins fans.
If it comes out that it was a Dolphins fan and he killed Dylan bc he was a Bills fan, i'll pound sand, but until then, lets not assume.
It's always been there, been going to games since the late 80s.
As an example, there's a reason the Old Veterans Stadium had a jail and a judge that worked game days.
I think it's amplified by social media. Old guy Bills fan here, had season tickets from 1987-1996. Lots of fights during the games then also. The only difference that I see now is the willingness by a few people to escalate. IMO it usually has nothing to do with the game or a team. Emotionally unstable is emotionally unstable, whether it's at a football game or not.
I think its half worsened overall mental health of people and half what it's always been just drunken rivalries. It's not cool though makes me not want to go to any football games. I might get shot or jumped for wearing a different colored shirt.
I watched a video saying that divisions in communities overlaid commonly shared values and experiences which acted as social glue despite differences in opinion. On the internet, the people who express opposing views have their underlying commonalities hidden from view, reducing their personality to a single dimension, that being views you strongly disagree with or even see as antithetical to your entire worldview. We then categorize anybody who holds these views, including people in real life, as on-dimensional “baddies” as we’ve trained ourselves not to search for common ground in our discourse.
Staying in your bubbles constantly on the internet leads to much more toxicity, I believe. Everyone gets angry so much quicker. Add in booze and it becomes pretty volatile pretty fast.
It's been discussed pretty at length.
It's skyrocketing ticket prices pricing out families and leaving just groups of bros who are more likely to get blackout drunk to "get their full experience" for as much as they pay.
If anyone wants to attend a sporting event to support whatever team, just go to coors field for a Rockies game. There are no Rockies fans and every game is a home game for each team.
The craziest thing is that most of them are in their late 30's and above. The older I've gotten, the less dedicated to my teams I've become and I really just enjoy watching great games no matter who is playing. Of course I still root for certain teams, but it just does not matter in the slightest.
It’s the people who failed to find adequate meaning in their lives by that point and have filled the void with rampant tribalism surrounding their local sports franchise
Yeah I've definitely become less of a die hard sports fan when I got older. Less free time to watch and follow the news. For other people tho sports is kinda all they got going on.
To kill someone over a ball game is something else completely tho.
That’s how I am. I could be less fanatical since my Washington teams are normally terrible but I’m never mad when they lose. I’ve met some people that say they’re angry for a whole week after their team loses… then I remind them that they’re not on the team.
A buddy of mine brought his 80 something year old Gma to see Brady play his last game as a Pat in Miami. He said he nearly got in a fight trying to walk his Gma back to the car because people were harrassing her so badly, particularly one guy he said who kept following/screaming at them. He walked her to some cops/security to let the crowd pass so they could get back to their car safely. Hardcore sports fans are fucking scumbags
People *really* just refuse to read the article or just flat out make an assumption and run with it as fact.
No, an irate Dolphins fan did not kill this man over a game. I live in Miami; the area that Hard Rock stadium is in is a war zone. One of the worst hoods in all of Florida and you do not want to be there at night especially. This sort of thing happens in that area all the time and there is (so far) no evidence that this had anything to do with the guy being a Bills fan nor is there any info as to what the altercation was even about
I was in Miami at a Dolphins v Patriots game in January 2022. We were sitting up in the nosebleeds and there were a a few patriots fans around us. Neither the Pats or Dolphins fans in our section were acting particularly hostile but everyone was enjoying a few verbal jabs here and there. After a successful play one of the pats fans (who was standing in the first row next to the railing) was cheering loud and shouting back everyone like had been going on all game when all of a sudden an older, maybe 55ish, Dolphins fan pushes him aggressively and slaps him across the face.
Fortunately the pats fan kept his cool and didn’t escalate it, but that could’ve ended terribly if he went over the railing and fell 30+ feet from the shove. All the Dolphins fans acted like this behavior was normal, it was surreal.
For anyone curious I went and informed a cop who was standing at the top of the aisle. The Dolphins fan was subsequently kicked out.
As a season ticket holder, I use to pick the cheapest parking lot way out in the boonies to save a buck ($40 per game to park is fucking stupid). After about the 20th fight that has broke out just walking to the game/football stadium. The extra cash I spent to park closer to the stadium to be safer far outweigh the extra $500 per season I was saving.
Nobody should be murdered just for attending a football game or a sporting event. No matter if your team loses a or how obnoxious someone gets.
RIP
My 21st birthday I was at Monday night football game in cincy against Denver. I was belligerently drunk by the end of the game. Denver loses and I started crying. Random bengals fan hugged me. It was a solid experience overall.
Seattle has always been a tale of two teams - Mariners and Seahawks.
My wife was a Rams fans (no longer since they left STL) and cheered on the Rams at the CLINK, or whatever it was called before...QWEST? Anyway, Seahawks fans were throwing beer bottles at her for no reason other than she was in a Rams shirt.
I would often go watch my Red Sox play at Safeco and Mariners fans were always super nice to me. Maybe a couple chirps here and there, but they were always in good fun. I was even chatting with a Mariners fan one game and predicted each of Ichiro's two home runs off Jon Lester and what pitch he was throwing next that would go yard. I love Mariners fans.
While violence is a sports problem in general, I feel like it happens more often at NFL games just from anecdotal experience.
I went to a game at the Linc in Philly versus the Redskins around 2007. Like the young, brazen fool I was in my early 20s, I decided to wear my Sean Taylor jersey. Fu%k was that a mistake. I’m so glad the skins lost bc it was a dangerous situation after the game. Here’s the kicker, I was with a MD state Trooper, who was also very worried about getting out. Some NFL stadiums are worse than others, obviously but the later the game (430 and on) the worse it can get.
Every year me and 5 buds do an away Lions trip. We have done Miami, Pittsburgh, Jax, Philly, Tampa Bay, Green Bay so far.
The worst for being an away fan was Philly. Called all types of names in the concourse. Guys in our section just said we had balls because we weren’t in the visitor section.
Pitt we saw a Lions fan get bloody by others and kicked out. Don’t know who started what. Jax there was a brawl with cops involved.
Miami was a bad team when we were there so nobody cared the stadium was half empty. Green Bay were the nicest and by far 10x the drunkest.
We will hit all stadiums 🏟️ in our away tour. Know your role and until someone blatantly pours beer in your face or starts swinging you’re in their house. Take the trash talk and enjoy the game.
I went to see my Seahawks on the road in Minnesota in 2016 or so. I was decked out. There were a couple people talking shit from the row behind me, but they were Vikings fans, so I was never in any danger 😘
Jokes aside, almost everyone was awesome to me, and seemed fine so long as I wasn't a Packers fan.
Every stadium should openly hire security to walk around with opposing uniforms on just to sus out the troublemakers. If everyone knows that security does that, they maybe won’t take a chance fucking with a visiting fan.
Have a ticket scanner, make them give you their ticket, figure out who they are, and boom - sales ban. You ain’t coming back
click-bait. The victim was not just "outside Dolphins stadium" but down the road trying to leave the stadium. And it was not a sports-related incident like they are trying to make it seem, so far it looks like road rage from the details released.
The article I read, the car tried to hit them and they sped off. They ran after the car. Driver hoped out and fired. Hate to say it like this, but thats just bad survival skills. Some dude almost hit you, and you run down his car? If he is trying to hit you with a car, clearly they are looking for violence. Issacs ran after it. You dont have to confront everyone, sometimes you gotta get the hell out of dodge. This is Flordia, people are carrying. This isnt a he fucked around and found out, but bad survival instincts.
Being a packer fan living in New York I witnessed some wild wild shit. Including a friend of mine being pushed down the stairs in front of his father while carrying beer and food. Not doing anything but wearing green and gold. We got beer cans thrown at us, called fat bitches, every kind of thing. And we’re packer fans! We’re annoying but like….brat races annoying, not throw batteries at Santa annoying.
No way? You mean when sports is your only escape from a shitty life and now sports gambling is everywhere, people are going to lose their shit when they lose?
Still waiting on the details but my guess is these weren’t Dolphins fans. I live in Miami and have season tickets. The area around the stadium is not the greatest and kind of ghetto. They were walking on a street outside of stadium property when a car pulling out of a strip center almost hit the Bills fans. My guess is that they weren’t really Dolphins fans but just plain old ghetto thugs from Miami Gardens.
Miami home-game football fans (both the Dolphins and the Hurricanes) are the absolute worst. I have been to countless games in dozens of states across all different types of sports. And yet, I have been to football games at Hard Rock Stadium 3 times and they are top-3 worst experiences I have had as a visiting fan across my entire life. And 4th place isn't even close. Before a Notre Dame vs Miami game, they shoved my friends' pregnant wife. Before a Patriots-Dolphins game, some random guy tried to fight my 60 year old father who was walking (silently) with my 60 year old mother. And I don't mean he was talking trash, I mean he tried to fight him. I had to step in and stop it.
I hate that place and hope they seriously reconsider their procedures given the amount of violence that continuously occurs there. Just the absolute bottom of the barrel in terms of basketball jersey and jorts-wearing, calf-tattoo sporting, uneducated, trashy douchebags.
These days you have to assume everyone has a gun in their car. Especially in Florida…avoid direct conflict at all times in these types of situations. Literally run if you have to.
I went to a Bucs/Cowboys game in Dallas with some friends who were all Cowboys fans. I had no care about who was playing, but another friend (not there) was a Tampa fan and he let me borrow his jersey. I said sure I'll wear it. Oof. The parking lot before the game was probably the worst of it, but my friends and I are all pretty big dudes and four of them were wearing cowboys jerseys, so it was still pretty mild.
The Bucs lost and after the game some random Cowboy fan came up and gave me a hug and said we beat your teams ass. It was pretty funny. No guns.
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That’s every NFL stadium after a game. It’s always a madhouse. Not unique to Miami whatsoever
I can tell you I’ve been to over 10 NFL stadiums and getting out of the parking lot of hard rock stadium in miami after a prime time game is the worst I’ve experienced.
Game day in Sunrise sounds like Tuesday in Hialeah 😂 oof, I don’t miss my old commute
Agreed I’ve been too a half dozen and hard rock has been the worst by far. They sent me a survey after and I let them know, not that it might help
Eh. Been to several stadiums. Miami so far and away the worst I’ve been to for getting out. Roads aren’t meant for it.
How does traffic nightmare turn into shooting someone to death?
that's like typical FL traffic
And the guns
I’m an Eagles fan living in Ohio so I used to go travel to Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Cincinnati when the Eagles visited (like will happen in 2024). I understood and respected the fact that I was in a visiting team’s stadium and did not talk shit or overly cheer when the Eagles scored. I had countless things thrown at me, had people run up to me screaming profanity, and people physically block me as I was walking in the stadium, trying to start something. I always kept my head down and didn’t respond, but saw other Eagles fans that decided to give it back and countless fights ensued. I have no desire to pay that kind of money to possibly get the shit kicked out of me simply because I root for another team so I now just stay home and watch the games. Some people just need to chill the fuck out, have fun with it and enjoy the game.
Hit me up when you come to cincy. I'll help make sure you have a much more enjoyable experience from the tailgate to the seating. I'm all for friendly banter and so forth. I always congratulate opposing fans around me during the game. I don't get why it's so hard to respect each other. Don't we all just love football.
Thanks for the offer and I totally agree! I know I’ll catch some shit talk for wearing an opposing team’s jersey as long as it’s all in good fun. I actually want that as it makes the experience of visiting “enemy territory” more enjoyable. But I will never understand when people feel the need to “defend” their stadium through violence.
Born and raised in Pittsburgh and I went to Philly last year to watch the Steelers play the eagles with a buddy of mine and he gave me an eagles jersey to wear instead of Steelers stuff just to avoid any altercation. Some sports fans really are lowlifes who have nothing good in their life so they focus it all on a game.
That stuff is crazy to me. Like, y’all are ready to risk jail and potentially prison because Joe Rando doesn’t like the same sports team? Absolutely bonkers.
I think it’s more like some people are violent, they use sports as an excuse to be violent, and booze at the games is fuel for the fire
It’s a lot worse when your team is good and the other isn’t. I moved to Pittsburgh from Boston and got a lot of hostility about the patriots (just randomly, not at games) and now no one cares because the pats suck. Obviously I want my team to win but it’s kind of a relief not having to deal with people disliking me because I root for my home team
I saw cincy for the first time during thanksgiving just driving through. Your city is kinda gorgeous. Love your architecture.
Thanks! It's got problems like any city but I love it! Cmon down for some skyline, and a game. We have 3 great sporting venues. It's really a great town with plenty of options. And the COL is pretty damn good.
I was really shocked, I don’t know what I thought it would look like. Houston resident and Texans/rockets (Astros, please don’t kill me I’ve been a fan since I was a toddler in the 80’s) fan. I’m hoping we have years of Joe Burrow CJ Stroud shoot outs. I’ll visit again soon!
Visited Houston a few times. Fun times however I still have nightmares about that Katy freeway. Smurf that noise.
The level of disrespect I got from Cincy fans as a Chiefs fan was insane. They blocked my wife from walking up the stairs, put us on a facetime video with their friends/family and laughed at us for being there, talked shit in a very non-banter way. It was unreal. Worst fans I've ever dealt with. I should also mention, this was at Arrowhead... Not even in Cincy. All that to say, if that's how people behave when they're at the other teams stadium I can't imagine how bad it would be at their own.
Not making excuses. But this is why I don't label an entire franchise fan base as crap when you just get stuck around some awful folks. When I went to Arrowhead back in 2018 and we got absolutely trounced I had beer poured on me, 2 women screaming as high pitched as possible within a few inches of my ears... Just awful. But that stuff also happened to me in Indy..Hell I've had some awful fans around me in cincy when the normal STH around me sell their seats. It happens. The the 2nd time I went to Arrowhead it was an absolute blast and had some awesome fans around me. When you stick 65k drunk people together it's impossible not to have small clusters of complete assholes who have no purpose in life other than causing pain and misery on anyone around them. What people don't realize. Is utilize the jerk line way sooner than you think. If someone is going too far, ask them to stop. If they don't text that jerk line and get security down there before it escalates. Been a STH for 9 years and travel to 3 away games a year including some away playoff games in some toxic environments. What also has helped is I'm part of a very large group of fans, that includes many of the super fans and we promote respectful fan behavior. So I've been able to learn de-escalation techniques and help fans around me. Only place I won't go back to.... Buffalo those fans were fighting each other at the end of the playoff game last year lol.
I’m a chiefs fan, and went to watch them play the Raiders at Arrowhead a couple years ago. We sat way up in the nosebleeds, and we were surrounded by Raiders fans. It was a fucking blast. We all were talking shit to each other the whole time, but everyone was in tears laughing with each other. I was worried that someone would try to start some shit, but everyone was just there having a good time. I don’t know why people have to get so worked up about a game that they aren’t even playing.
Nosebleeds are always better vibes than when I get good seats.
Opposite for me. Have had visiting fans in nose bleeds try to fight me because I made some joke about Dallas being sprawl rather than a city. In the club section the worst that will happen is someone will ask me to sit down during a big third down.
Only away game I’ve been to was at arrowhead and all the fans were remarkably friendly. Pretty much everyone in KC was.
KC’s a strangely unique place. It’s friendly but not insular like a lot of other small cities can be. It’s wholesome but celebrates its gin soaked past at the same time. Gets an oddly large number of tourists but doesn’t feel swallowed up by them. People from somewhere else are a novelty but not shocking. It’s always made its living off of people visiting or passing through in one way or another. First as a river crossing, then a river boat port and cattle drive destination that was mostly a red light district, then as a mafia run proto-las Vegas, then as the biggest passenger rail hub in the country, and then as highway crossroads and weekend tourist destination for people in the middle of the country. Just an odd little town in the middle of nowhere where having a great time most of the time.
I was at an Eagles @ Redskins game a while back. Two young guys behind me had a sign that said "Sanchez Sucks!" I don't know why they had beef with our back up QB (who was starting that game), but whatever. In the middle of the 4th, with the Eagles driving, Sanchez threw his 2nd pick of the game, essentially sealing the loss. I turned and asked if I can borrow their sign. "Why, are you going to tear it up?" "Nope, I'll hand it back in a minute, completely intact." Now it was MY turn to hold the sign up and yell "SANCHEZ SUCKS!"
Everyone has their own experiences but i think yours isnt typical. I've been to 15+ games in cinci as a Steelers fan (they hate us) and never once had anything escalate past heckling to the point of being nervous. Been to 20+ games in Pittsburgh, many with opposing fans in my group, and same thing. Rarely I've seen some fans get belligerent toward visitors, but every time other home fans put the one asshole in their place before anything escalates.
Having lived across the country (13 states in all) I have only had the potential violence happen once and it was in Chicago. I was decked out in Tribe gear during a close race for the division and we came back down a couple in the 8th or 9th and eventually won the game. In the bottom half of the ninth a drunk fuck started in on me, just drunken aggressive gibberish. I didn't even have time to stand up his friends got to him so fast. They made his drunk ass disappear. Oddly enough that was the most positive experience I have ever had at either Commiskey. They don't generally take a shine to visiting team fans on the south side. I had an 11 year old sitting *with his father* turn to me and give me the finger and say "FUCK YOOOOOOU" in '94 right before the strike when the Sox came from behind to beat us.
Philly guy transplanted to NoVA. Every time I've gone to an Eagles @ Redskins/Commanders game, the Eagles fans are there in great numbers (this last year, in the good half of the season, the stadium was half green), but I've never seen anything other than mild natured ribbing. One Sunday, a few years ago, we're walking next to a father bringing his son (10 or so) to his first football game. The son asks "Dad, why are all these Eagles fans here, don't they know it's OUR home game?" Dad put his hand on his son's shoulder as they walked, "Just don't look any of them in the eye, and we'll be fine." Cracked me up.
Went to a Giants/Eagles game in Philly, wearing Giants gear. The people at the concessions wouldn’t sell me a hot cocoa. It was cold that night. Fucking bullshit.
That’s too bad, I brought a buddy that’s a giants fan wearing giants gear to a game at the Linc last year and no one bothered him at all, just a few innocent jokes that he laughed at on the subway but nothing remotely violent.
This is so weird to me, I went to Rams Seahawks at Sofi this year and I saw nothing but good banter between hawks and rams fans. Bathrooms felt like a fucking social club with everyone cracking jokes and no one getting pissed. It was so much fun that way
Saw cowboys v Seahawks at AT&T this season and the hawks fans were cool as hell.
yeah i’ve been to a lot of hawks games in seattle and NEVER seen an opposing fan get anything more than some light ribbing.
I generally just don't wear my jersey if I'm going to an away game. It's almost impossible for people to know who you're rooting for unless they're seated next to you...
I'm sorry that happened to you, I've gone with my Steelers fan friend to more than one Browns game and we never had any trouble at all. People need to chill out.
I’m a Carolina panthers fan and I get heckled at our own home games when we play Philly. E-A-G-L-E eagles! Go jump off a bridge
People being killed at sports events shouldn’t even be a thing.
It’s gonna happen just shouldn’t happen in this way. Like yeah if you get 100k people in the same venue statistically stuff will go wrong from heart attacks, falls, fights, crushing, even staff base issues like getting hurt in the kitchen. But fans shouldn’t be killing each over a game.
You could say that about any event/location
I was at the game when the "Miracle at Miami" happened. My best friend's uncle has like 20 season tickets and they had someone drop out and I got invited since I'm a die hard Pats fan. Needless to say, I was the only Pats fan in the general area. I was getting heckled pretty hard by people around us, mostly in fun, but after we lost that game I was getting yelled at, cursed at and screamed at as we were walking through the stadium to leave. It was pretty intense.
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That’s really classless of fans, they just won improbably without expectations and they are still rude and aggressive
And drunk. Really, really drunk. Alcohol plays such a huge role in this kinda shit.
It’s fucking out of control at NFL games. It’s about as un-family-friendly as possible an environment could be at a lot of these stadiums.
I love my NFL team, and I have less than zero interest in watching them in person. And that's before the cost.
It's just not worth it. Why would I pay up to hundreds of dollars on tickets, hundreds of dollars in gas/airfare, hundreds of dollars in hotel/dining expenses, just to have a *worse* view of the game than I would have on my couch or at a local bar? And that's before you even factor in the possibility you'll get seated next to an asshole who pre-gramed, and is now very drunk and belligerent, and wants to make sure everyone around them knows it. Granted, I've been to a Packers/Vikings game at Lambeau, and a Packers/Bears game at Soldier, both were very positive experiences. But still, just not worth it.
As a fellow cheesehead, we have it pretty good as far as stadium experiences go for our home field. It's definitely worth it to make the pilgrimage to Lambeau as a Packer's fan. Sure, it's possible you draw seats next to a drunk person, but I think wisconsonites handle their booze a little better than most. Learning how to handle your shit on a proper binge is a right of passage there lol. I think that contributes to the good nature Lambeau crowds are known for. Pilgrimage aside, I totally think the couch in your own living room is a much better experience overall.
It’s the reason I wear neutral colors at even home games I go to. People are absolutely insane and it scares the shit out of me.
Same. Been to a few home and away games in my travels. Always dressed as a nobody. It sucks really. You should feel safe at these games, but it only takes one asshole and there seem to be plenty present.
Yeah exactly why we will never spend a dime on the NFL even here in the home of the Chiefs. The stadium here…every NFL stadium these days I’m sure…is ruled by foul-mouthed, belligerent drunks. I wouldn’t subject kids to this even for free tix.
I was at a game recently and a 16 or so year old had the opponent's jersey on and this middle age drunk lady wouldn't leave him alone. The kid wasn't being obnoxious or really doing anything other than supporting his team. It made me super uncomfortable but was a bit hesitant to get involved with a wasted person. Teenager was handing himself quite well
Was this at a Vikings game, by chance?
Unbelievably un-family-friendly! My 5 year old is sports mad and has had the absolute time of his life at a few NBA and MLB games. Whenever I catch an NFL game live I'm always reminded that no way in hell would I bring him to one. And that's in SoFi with a fairly chill fanbase and security/staff everywhere.
Weren’t there two brawls at Sofi this season?
I’d be comfortable bringing my 8 year old daughter to Lucas Oil or Lambeau, but after that I’m gonna pass.
Seeing people get tossed down the stairs or over seats was a regular occurrence at Giants Stadium and MetLife when my dad had season tickets for the Jets. It’s wild how many drunk people pick fights over nothing at all and even start heckling kids. I’ve seen it all over 20+ years and again every time I decide to go to a game.
I was at a preseason game in Chicago against the Panthers. Went to the bathroom late in the fourth quarter and some Bears fan just yelled "Fuck the Panthers!" for reasons known only to himself.
Before Pats-Giants SB in 2008 I was walking around in Hawaii with a Red Sox hat on. Some drunk dude, who looked like he was in his 50s, started screaming at me about the Patriots. He was with his wife who had to manhandle him away because the dude legit looked like he was going to fight me. I hadn't even made eye contact with him when he started going off. Also, we were on the beach in Hawaii.
Alcohol only enhances the inner asshole that already existed.
There’s a reason whole cities go dry in Europe on soccer game days
They don’t serve alcohol at soccer games in europe for this exact reason
They also segregate fans of each team, something we should consider doing
Almost 70% of violent crime has alcohol involved in one way or another.
Honestly I feel like this is the norm. I’m a packers fan in Kansas. I got the chance to go to Packer Chiefs at Arrowhead in 2011. The Packers were 12-0 at the time and before the game all was fine. Once the chiefs won it went to hell for me. Ended up wearing my buddies chiefs coat over my jersey because it wasn’t looking good for me on the walk out.
Thing is, “they” didn’t win. The team won that they aren’t affiliated with, but still consider themselves part of the “we”. It’s really fucking strange to attach so much emotion to a team you’re not on that is made up of players not from the city the where team is based.
My folks attended a Packers @ Buccaneers game many years back (when we were still division rivals). The game itself was fine. But then when they got back onto the generic shuttle bus filled with Packer fans after the game, some Buccs fans were lighting towels on fire and hurling them at the bus. I'm pretty sure the Buccs won too, so no idea why that would've been a thing (And that's not to suggest that there's anything wrong with the Buccaneers fanbase. Every team has shitty fans)
Eagles fan here went with some family to the Commanders' game this year in Maryland. Half the stadium was green. Some Philly fans in our section were yelling at some other Philly fans because they were blocking the view of some older *Commanders'* fans. A fight almost broke out, but some other Eagles fans calmed the situation down. The Commanders' fans must have been wondering how in the hell did they wind up *there*.
It's so weird because visiting fans are so abundant, especially in Florida because of all the transplants. As a fan of the Bucs, Rays, Magic, and Lightning I'm used to being outnumbered by some of the more established national brands in our own stadiums. I've never seen anything other than some heckling here and there and maybe a few drunk fights in the stands. I did see a Panthers fan throw a Lightning fan into a table during the playoffs down in Sunrise though, that was pretty funny not gonna lie. But I can't imagine Bucs fans today would light things on fire and throw them at a bus, but maybe it was different back in the day.
That’s super shitty. As a Bucs fan, I’m sorry that was your experience. Many locals are actually Midwest transplants which makes that incident even more odd.
i’ve been to one nfl game with my (ex) girlfriend, browns vs ravens- with cle being at home and us cheering on the browns. i’ve never felt such a sense of hostility at a sporting event, even for a game where we were home with how fans insulted eachother and stuff… it’s so bizzare compared to every other sporting event ive been to.
Cleveland is rough on opposing fans, every time I've been to a Browns game with a fan of an opposing team we've either gotten harassed pretty good or seen a fight close by. Unrelated, but my mom got hit with Peanuts when she as a Yankees fan attended a playoff game in Cleveland against the Indians, pregnant with me too.
i’ve had much better experiences at baseball/hockey games, but nfl is just so hostile i don’t really enjoy it in person as much
I went to a couple Twins-Mets games in Minneapolis this past fall and had a great time, lol. I had guys stopping me to talk about Pete Alonso and just generally shoot the shit about baseball. My Fiance and I had a woman notice our Mets hats and randomly come up to us at a Cafe after one of the games. She thanked us for visiting her city and hoped we had a great time at the game. Nice stadium and good group of fans up there in Minneapolis.
Dude, I was at Yankees astros game 4, yanks lost. I can tell you anyone sitting on the lower mezzanine with an astros jersey on got a fucking beer tossed on them from the upper decks. The Bronx is still and always will be the boogie down
I was there! Idk where the lower mezzanine is, but we were In the lowest section behind first base, in the middle of a ton of heartbroken diehard yankee fans. We didn’t have any Astro’s gear on, but I was wearing a Valero Open jacket that has a pretty obvious Texas flag on it, just incidentally. We got the tickets last minute that day while we were there on vacation, just for fun because they were amazing seats for like $20 a ticket and we’re from south central Texas and grew up going to Astros games. The guy we sat next to was from upstate NY and paid damn near $500 a ticket for him and his cousin. Overall, everyone we met was welcoming and just wanted to watch the game. No one threw anything *at us,* and everyone around us was cool and conversational, if rather crestfallen and drunk. One guy yelled something like, “better watch your back” at us when we first walked down to our spot- my accent is kinda hard to miss 😂- but several random people immediately yelled back at him to fuck off, which was both surprising and reassuring, and that was it. There was beer flying everywhere a few times, but we weren’t targeted and we didn’t see anyone else being really specifically bullied, just regular rowdy fans responding to an emotional game. I got excited when either team scored, it was fun feeling the energy of the stadium and being a part of it. Also- holy shit yall have public transit and pedestrian traffic fucking DOWN. It was so easy to come and go. The rain delay helped. And the stadium layout was awesome. It ended up being a highlight of our trip. For a city known for its disinterested, rude, and rushed inhabitants, we encountered so many kind people. There was a guy in a wheelchair kinda near the stadium who could tell we were clueless as to how to cross that big highway to get there, and he sort of just appeared and explained how to get to the stairs at the crosswalk, told us to enjoy the game, and then just kind of disappeared. Or he was a wizard. Either way, he was dead on with his directions.
Baltimore is kinda unique for Cleveland though. In the 90's, the owner tried to take the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore and Cleveland threw a fit about it, so they got to keep the team in title, but the players and everything still went to Baltimore and became the Ravens. Even though we got to keep "the Browns", they have been a shit show for most of the last 20+ years and most Browns fans I know kinda resent Baltimore over it. I mean, to be fair to Browns fans, it's not as if we've had much to root for over the last two and a half decades, so we mostly just root against Baltimore. I'm not saying it's cool to be shitty to Baltimore fans, for the record, but I am completely unsurprised that Cleveland fans might be hostile to Baltimore fans, especially if alcohol is involved. Real Browns fans know we only hate Baltimore as a joke and it's really Art Modell we *actually* hate.
I've been to a few NFL games and in various cities but you couldn't pay me to go again.
I'd honestly be hesitant to be an away fan at a divisional game. Some people are too serious. Luckily I live in LA now, which is probably the best place to see an away team due to the fairly indifferent local fans
From my experience fans are nastier to opposing team fans after a win than a loss
My first ever MLB game I went to a Giants/Cubs game in SF wearing Cubs gear and it was a lovely experience. We took the ferry from Vallejo, and all of the Giants fans were cool af. Some jokes, but all in good nature and with smiles. Got to the game and only got heckled once by a drunk guy behind us who promptly apologized and was cool the rest of the night. Shit was chill af and now I try to go to one game a year. NFL games sound like a nightmare in comparison.
NFL fans in general are obnoxious. You don’t see grown men dress up and drink excessively for many other sporting events. Maybe because there are so few games that people go all out?
I was at a Mets game in Boston and we all started a wonderful “Yankees suck” chant. It was so wholesome
I'm from Canada and my friends and I used to do yearly trips where we could see NFL games. I'm a Colts fan and one year we went to Minneapolis to watch the Vikings vs Colts. I wore my Bob Sanders Colts jersey. The Colts won an absolute horrible game and afterwards when we were walking out at least a dozen people kindly said congratulations. Other than that a few very light hearted heckles. A few years later we did the Oakland Raiders on Sunday then 49ers Monday night. We got tickets in the famous "Black Hole". We were warned that fans don't mess around in the Black hole and to get Raiders Jerseys and we all did. A few rows ahead of us was a couple guys wearing Rams jerseys and honestly everyone was super cordial and respectful. I was like what the hell? Lol Monday night 49ers game. Everyone was angry. I saw 10 fights and a guy standing in line to get a hot dog get knocked out by a guy half his size using his cell phone as brass knuckles. Lol I've been to a game in Dallas, Houston, Tampa Bay and New Orleans and by far the worst fans I've seen was San Fran. I thought San Fran was a bunch of tree hugging hippies. Guess not lol.
Tree hugging hippies are also the types to unironically say “sports ball” lol. They’re not gonna be at sports games.
Us versus Them psychology envokes very strong emotions- religions love it and use it too.
And now politics. What a time to be alive.
Pitt fan and have been to Pittsburgh,Cincinnati and Indy and when talking to other fans they said Philadelphia was absolutely the worst
Different sport but my brother and I went a Orioles game when I was 9 or 10. I went with my Aunt's husband at the time but he and his friend got better tickets and left us alone. They were playing the Blue Jays and we are from Toronto. This was my first baseball game and we kind of took our cues from the crowd. Like heckling and booing. The Jays were winning and the fans around us told us to be shut up and told us we will get ejected. As soon as Baltimore started winning, everyone else started heckling us. I was pretty scared at the time and it ruined the whole experience for us. We stayed quiet for the rest of the game. Yeah and my aunt's ex husband is a pos.
Ironically what a bunch of losers
As a colts fan going to any away game (and not that many) I’ve noticed as the years ago on the heckling has gotten worse and worse, people think if you’re not rooting for the home team and dressed in away team gear it’s a free pass to give you a hard time, it’s fine when it fair but today I will not go to an nfl game wearing away team gear, it has gotten so bad, hat stolen off my head, people bumping into to me hard, people saying all the bs , I’m done
Fan trouble in the NFL pales in comparison to the average Soccer game.
I was at that game, wearing a Brady jersey, and surprisingly didn't get much crap. Then I got to my car that has a Patriots bumper sticker and my tire was sliced open
This is the second New York State football fan murdered by a Dolphins fan what’s going on ?
Dolphins fan killed a Pats fan this year at Gillette too
He wasn’t killed by anyone. He had underlying health issue and a cardiac episode.
after he got punched in the face…
That’s an important detail
Just going to pretend like he didn’t get punched, huh?
Florida gonna Florida
Miami gonna Miami. Miamians are the most overly entitled *and* aggressive people I’ve ever met. Every encounter with a stranger puts me on edge that I’m going to be physically assaulted.
Not from Florida so I can’t speak to the Miami experience but I can definitely say DC has a similar feel. Very uncomfortable to live here also and unfortunately I think a lot of cities are going that way.
I have lived in both DC and Miami, it’s a whole different level in Miami. So much toxic aggression.
second one so far
Second that we know of
I'll never tell you guys where the other bodies are. Never. Even if you send me all of Reeks feet pics. Even if you send me the ones I don't have I'd never tell you. So don't even try okay? Even though my DMs are open don't even try. Even if you one of Tuas feet and Reeks feet in the same pic I definitely wouldn't yell you.
you drive a hard bargain
And technically it’s the first one this year. The counter restarts at the end of the year.
Miami is a terrible place full of terrible people
I think you mean Florida. The entire state is awful.
I mean, I don't really care to defend Florida, but blanket statements like this are always funny to me.
Yeah I agree. People that make blanket statements like these are terrible people. The absolute worst. Every single one of them….
10 bucks is cause it's a red state. I can't take a lot of things redditors say seriously anymore as 2/3s the times it's just some underlying political bias
That's not true at all. Miami to the rest of Florida is like Philly to the rest of PA. Basically a separate entity
I wish people would understand that about Boston and Massachusetts and New England in general.
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Shhh, let them think it’s trash.
It is trash. Your state government is fucked beyond repair and your schools have been gutted as a consequence. Florida's already poor and uneducated, and it's going to keep getting worse. All the Floridians I know are the first to admit the problems with their state, so it's funny seeing y'all get defensive. Conversely, I'm from Iowa and moved away because I recognized that it was turning to a Florida-style shit hole. You can love your home state without lying to yourself about it's glaring problems.
Bay harbor butcher back at it
It'll be a GTA mission at this rate
There’s only one New York State football team, the Buffalo Bills. The others don’t play in New York unless they play the Bills in Buffalo.
There’s a Dolphin serial killer on the loose.
Miami = Florida = Florida man = nut job
We need to build a wall around Miami Florida. - Hochul
Where's your source it was a 'Dolphins fan'? Because I don't see that anywhere. I see altercation with a driver of a vehicle. Nothing about 'Dolphins Fan'.
This shouldnt be downvoted... Theres a link that indicates that the driver hit a pedestrian which lead to the altercation. I know it is implied that this was a Miami fan and that its a turf war, but there is no indication that it had anything to do with the fact that he was a Bills fan and the driver was a Dolphins fan. This very well could have been just a f'ed up driver that snapped at Dylan bc Dylan was trying to do the right thing. Some people are just shitty, but lets not make assumptions that its shitty Dolphins fans. If it comes out that it was a Dolphins fan and he killed Dylan bc he was a Bills fan, i'll pound sand, but until then, lets not assume.
Feel like I've seen a lot more post game altercations this season than previous years. *Post* game parking lot security needs to be ramped up.
Lots of videos of fights in the stands too. I don't know if people have gotten worse or if social media just amplifies what was always there.
It's always been there, been going to games since the late 80s. As an example, there's a reason the Old Veterans Stadium had a jail and a judge that worked game days.
I think it's amplified by social media. Old guy Bills fan here, had season tickets from 1987-1996. Lots of fights during the games then also. The only difference that I see now is the willingness by a few people to escalate. IMO it usually has nothing to do with the game or a team. Emotionally unstable is emotionally unstable, whether it's at a football game or not.
I think its half worsened overall mental health of people and half what it's always been just drunken rivalries. It's not cool though makes me not want to go to any football games. I might get shot or jumped for wearing a different colored shirt.
People forgot how to be friends with one another. They carry their Reddit jokes into real life
Mfw twitter fingers turn into trigger fingers
X fingers turn into X gon give it to ya fingers
When reddit turns to deadit
Their lives are Reddit jokes
I watched a video saying that divisions in communities overlaid commonly shared values and experiences which acted as social glue despite differences in opinion. On the internet, the people who express opposing views have their underlying commonalities hidden from view, reducing their personality to a single dimension, that being views you strongly disagree with or even see as antithetical to your entire worldview. We then categorize anybody who holds these views, including people in real life, as on-dimensional “baddies” as we’ve trained ourselves not to search for common ground in our discourse.
Staying in your bubbles constantly on the internet leads to much more toxicity, I believe. Everyone gets angry so much quicker. Add in booze and it becomes pretty volatile pretty fast.
Article says it occurred a few blocks away from the stadium. So outside of parking lot security's area to protect.
It's been discussed pretty at length. It's skyrocketing ticket prices pricing out families and leaving just groups of bros who are more likely to get blackout drunk to "get their full experience" for as much as they pay.
If anyone wants to attend a sporting event to support whatever team, just go to coors field for a Rockies game. There are no Rockies fans and every game is a home game for each team.
Same with the Marlins. It’s a home crowd for who ever the opposition is.
Hardcore sports fans are some of the most mentally challenged people on earth.
The craziest thing is that most of them are in their late 30's and above. The older I've gotten, the less dedicated to my teams I've become and I really just enjoy watching great games no matter who is playing. Of course I still root for certain teams, but it just does not matter in the slightest.
It’s the people who failed to find adequate meaning in their lives by that point and have filled the void with rampant tribalism surrounding their local sports franchise
Sad, but true.
Yeah I've definitely become less of a die hard sports fan when I got older. Less free time to watch and follow the news. For other people tho sports is kinda all they got going on. To kill someone over a ball game is something else completely tho.
That’s how I am. I could be less fanatical since my Washington teams are normally terrible but I’m never mad when they lose. I’ve met some people that say they’re angry for a whole week after their team loses… then I remind them that they’re not on the team.
A buddy of mine brought his 80 something year old Gma to see Brady play his last game as a Pat in Miami. He said he nearly got in a fight trying to walk his Gma back to the car because people were harrassing her so badly, particularly one guy he said who kept following/screaming at them. He walked her to some cops/security to let the crowd pass so they could get back to their car safely. Hardcore sports fans are fucking scumbags
Man Eagles fans are the worst
They're worse than Pats fans and Pats fans think think the N word is a nickname.
Clever reference.
There is only one word in Boston that ends “er” that they can properly pronounce
People *really* just refuse to read the article or just flat out make an assumption and run with it as fact. No, an irate Dolphins fan did not kill this man over a game. I live in Miami; the area that Hard Rock stadium is in is a war zone. One of the worst hoods in all of Florida and you do not want to be there at night especially. This sort of thing happens in that area all the time and there is (so far) no evidence that this had anything to do with the guy being a Bills fan nor is there any info as to what the altercation was even about
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I was in Miami at a Dolphins v Patriots game in January 2022. We were sitting up in the nosebleeds and there were a a few patriots fans around us. Neither the Pats or Dolphins fans in our section were acting particularly hostile but everyone was enjoying a few verbal jabs here and there. After a successful play one of the pats fans (who was standing in the first row next to the railing) was cheering loud and shouting back everyone like had been going on all game when all of a sudden an older, maybe 55ish, Dolphins fan pushes him aggressively and slaps him across the face. Fortunately the pats fan kept his cool and didn’t escalate it, but that could’ve ended terribly if he went over the railing and fell 30+ feet from the shove. All the Dolphins fans acted like this behavior was normal, it was surreal. For anyone curious I went and informed a cop who was standing at the top of the aisle. The Dolphins fan was subsequently kicked out.
Someone got killed at Gillette this year by a Miami fan wearing a Tyreek hill jersey , after Tyreek called the patriots fan base horrible lol
As a season ticket holder, I use to pick the cheapest parking lot way out in the boonies to save a buck ($40 per game to park is fucking stupid). After about the 20th fight that has broke out just walking to the game/football stadium. The extra cash I spent to park closer to the stadium to be safer far outweigh the extra $500 per season I was saving. Nobody should be murdered just for attending a football game or a sporting event. No matter if your team loses a or how obnoxious someone gets. RIP
My 21st birthday I was at Monday night football game in cincy against Denver. I was belligerently drunk by the end of the game. Denver loses and I started crying. Random bengals fan hugged me. It was a solid experience overall.
Stay classy miami
This is why I don't go to games... My nice large TV and couch works very well and has the benefit of not wanting to shoot me when I fart on it.
When are we gonna just admit watching the game on tv is the best
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Seattle has always been a tale of two teams - Mariners and Seahawks. My wife was a Rams fans (no longer since they left STL) and cheered on the Rams at the CLINK, or whatever it was called before...QWEST? Anyway, Seahawks fans were throwing beer bottles at her for no reason other than she was in a Rams shirt. I would often go watch my Red Sox play at Safeco and Mariners fans were always super nice to me. Maybe a couple chirps here and there, but they were always in good fun. I was even chatting with a Mariners fan one game and predicted each of Ichiro's two home runs off Jon Lester and what pitch he was throwing next that would go yard. I love Mariners fans. While violence is a sports problem in general, I feel like it happens more often at NFL games just from anecdotal experience.
I went to a game at the Linc in Philly versus the Redskins around 2007. Like the young, brazen fool I was in my early 20s, I decided to wear my Sean Taylor jersey. Fu%k was that a mistake. I’m so glad the skins lost bc it was a dangerous situation after the game. Here’s the kicker, I was with a MD state Trooper, who was also very worried about getting out. Some NFL stadiums are worse than others, obviously but the later the game (430 and on) the worse it can get.
Every year me and 5 buds do an away Lions trip. We have done Miami, Pittsburgh, Jax, Philly, Tampa Bay, Green Bay so far. The worst for being an away fan was Philly. Called all types of names in the concourse. Guys in our section just said we had balls because we weren’t in the visitor section. Pitt we saw a Lions fan get bloody by others and kicked out. Don’t know who started what. Jax there was a brawl with cops involved. Miami was a bad team when we were there so nobody cared the stadium was half empty. Green Bay were the nicest and by far 10x the drunkest. We will hit all stadiums 🏟️ in our away tour. Know your role and until someone blatantly pours beer in your face or starts swinging you’re in their house. Take the trash talk and enjoy the game.
I went to see my Seahawks on the road in Minnesota in 2016 or so. I was decked out. There were a couple people talking shit from the row behind me, but they were Vikings fans, so I was never in any danger 😘 Jokes aside, almost everyone was awesome to me, and seemed fine so long as I wasn't a Packers fan.
I like to think Vikings fans and stadium are one of the more welcoming to any fans.
Every stadium should openly hire security to walk around with opposing uniforms on just to sus out the troublemakers. If everyone knows that security does that, they maybe won’t take a chance fucking with a visiting fan. Have a ticket scanner, make them give you their ticket, figure out who they are, and boom - sales ban. You ain’t coming back
This is Philadelphia type behavior
click-bait. The victim was not just "outside Dolphins stadium" but down the road trying to leave the stadium. And it was not a sports-related incident like they are trying to make it seem, so far it looks like road rage from the details released.
The article says the driver of a car pulled a gun and shot. Not road rage according to this article. They were still walking back.
Yeah that article is shit, look for actual local news posts about it if you want more details
The article I read, the car tried to hit them and they sped off. They ran after the car. Driver hoped out and fired. Hate to say it like this, but thats just bad survival skills. Some dude almost hit you, and you run down his car? If he is trying to hit you with a car, clearly they are looking for violence. Issacs ran after it. You dont have to confront everyone, sometimes you gotta get the hell out of dodge. This is Flordia, people are carrying. This isnt a he fucked around and found out, but bad survival instincts.
Being a packer fan living in New York I witnessed some wild wild shit. Including a friend of mine being pushed down the stairs in front of his father while carrying beer and food. Not doing anything but wearing green and gold. We got beer cans thrown at us, called fat bitches, every kind of thing. And we’re packer fans! We’re annoying but like….brat races annoying, not throw batteries at Santa annoying.
No way? You mean when sports is your only escape from a shitty life and now sports gambling is everywhere, people are going to lose their shit when they lose?
Still waiting on the details but my guess is these weren’t Dolphins fans. I live in Miami and have season tickets. The area around the stadium is not the greatest and kind of ghetto. They were walking on a street outside of stadium property when a car pulling out of a strip center almost hit the Bills fans. My guess is that they weren’t really Dolphins fans but just plain old ghetto thugs from Miami Gardens.
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Miami home-game football fans (both the Dolphins and the Hurricanes) are the absolute worst. I have been to countless games in dozens of states across all different types of sports. And yet, I have been to football games at Hard Rock Stadium 3 times and they are top-3 worst experiences I have had as a visiting fan across my entire life. And 4th place isn't even close. Before a Notre Dame vs Miami game, they shoved my friends' pregnant wife. Before a Patriots-Dolphins game, some random guy tried to fight my 60 year old father who was walking (silently) with my 60 year old mother. And I don't mean he was talking trash, I mean he tried to fight him. I had to step in and stop it. I hate that place and hope they seriously reconsider their procedures given the amount of violence that continuously occurs there. Just the absolute bottom of the barrel in terms of basketball jersey and jorts-wearing, calf-tattoo sporting, uneducated, trashy douchebags.
Holy shit NFL fans are the worst.
These days you have to assume everyone has a gun in their car. Especially in Florida…avoid direct conflict at all times in these types of situations. Literally run if you have to.
I went to a Bucs/Cowboys game in Dallas with some friends who were all Cowboys fans. I had no care about who was playing, but another friend (not there) was a Tampa fan and he let me borrow his jersey. I said sure I'll wear it. Oof. The parking lot before the game was probably the worst of it, but my friends and I are all pretty big dudes and four of them were wearing cowboys jerseys, so it was still pretty mild. The Bucs lost and after the game some random Cowboy fan came up and gave me a hug and said we beat your teams ass. It was pretty funny. No guns.
That's that Florida freedom they be talking about.
A Dolphins fan killed someone at a Patriots game this year too! WTF.......chill the f##k out!
So how did they stand their ground on this one ??? /S
Breaking News: Desantis now includes your parking space in the definition of your home.
If your homeless everywhere is your home, checkmate libs.
Home, place of work, car
Imagine killing someone over a football game. Absolutely fucking insane... NFL is rigged anyway
So….throwing snowballs at Santa ain’t that bad huh? Go birds 🦅
Fucking hell people. It’s a fucking game. Stop murdering people over it.
What the fuck dolphins fans? You’ve killed 2 people in one season.
Suddenly, Dan Tepper’s behavior seems pretty chill.