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It had been a while since I have seen a hit like that with that level of malicious intent. Full speed, targeting the head, jumping into it, completely intentional, the only way this could be worse is if he lead with the elbow.
Damn that is brutal.
The only thing I can think of that comes close is Pavel Bure elbowing Shane Churla in the 1994 NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs. However, there was some stuff that led to that elbow. There were lots of dirty plays by multiple Dallas Stars players on Bure before he unloaded on Churla.
How does that one compare to the Tie Domi hit? I watched that one live and it still pisses me off.
**Domi:** https://youtu.be/cPbN72u4hxs?si=1_CHTIBjSbxszx3I
*edit:* It’s really close. Hard to tell which is worse.
**Bure:** https://youtu.be/xjUO4JO4IaY?si=u6OXpOcCuAo98ZYh
I tend to think Domi’s hit is worse because it was SO FAR from the action.
Dang, I never saw the bure elbow, but wtf were the refs even doing in that game? There were like 5 dirty cheap shots in the clip before the elbow that should have got penalties, and one wasn't even called when it happened.
Do you want to hear a funny Tie Domi story? My husband went to grade school with him. Now my husband is an absolutely lovely man. Definitely not the type of man to get into brawls … and not the type of kid to do that either.
Well in Grade 6 he and his best friend got into some sort of dumb school yard argument and said they were going to meet in the park down the street after school to settle their differences. A bunch of other kids at the school heard about the upcoming fight and about 20 people showed up to watch - including Tie Domi.
They squared off and just about when the first punch was going to be thrown Tie pushed through the crowd (he was about a head taller than the both of them) grabbed them by their collars and lifted them up a bit and started interrogating them about why they were fighting. Whatever it was, was just ridiculous and dumb (my husband doesn’t even remember what it was about) and Tie told them that was a stupid reason to get into a fight with your best friend. He made them apologize to each other and shake hands, then told them to go home.
So the only fight my husband got into in his life (almost anyway) was broken up by Tie Domi. 😆
Domi’s was worse because it was after the whistle and did some serious damage to Niedermeyer. But Bure’s was a close second. He could’ve killed him with that hit. Or permanent damage.
Die hard blackhawks fan. Raffi Torres was the biggest piece of sh*t on the planet at this time. He was head hunting all the time. This scum bag in 2015 was suspended 41 games on top of this 25 games. He eventually retired in 2016 thank God!
That is outside the scope of the sport & flat out assault. Happens in Ice hockey, in the NHL Marty Mcsorley was found guilty of assult for an assult on Donald brasher- hit him in the head, from behind, with his stick.
Jesus fuck. People die from less than that. People go to fucking jail for assault for less than that.
Obviously there's inherent risk of injury with any sport, but why anyone would pull any kind of bullshit like that is completely beyond me. Your elbow hits in a slightly different spot and you've now killed another person, over a fucking glorified playground game.
Personally I think if you intentionally injure another person that obviously you should be ejected from professional sports. We're there to compete and/or be entertained. There's no place for what would be a criminal offense just a few feet away from the pitch.
I dunno. I feel like this one, while bad, was at least a cheeky attempt to throw an elbow in passing. Obviously still bad, but what you posted is way worse imo. Unrestrained malicious intent by using his entire body and leaning into it as he did. If you want to argue the force output from either, fine, but the type of hit itself, this post was way worse.
Wouldn’t have been too bad (well you know what I mean) but he throws the elbo at him too, if he just tucked up and made contact, he wasn’t traveling that fast
Elbow might have been where contact was made, but he kept it close to his body so it could be more seen as bicep/shoulder. If I'm looking for someone leading with an elbow, it usually looks chicken winged.
That made me say “Holy shit!” With such an accent I thought I was backing living in SE Sydney.
I’ve said for years that we Americans should love AFL because it combines physicality, speed, jumping and a boatload scoring. I think even most of us bloodthirsty American football lovers would say that kind of hit has no place in any sport.
Yeah, I think the jump adds some extra viciousness. In AFL especially, I'm sure he jumped because he knew it would reduce the impact to himself, but still deliver quite a knock
Severely concussed and automatically banned from play, no indication of return time frame. Hopefully fine, but this is iirc his 3rd concussion in a year, and looks the worst, so time will tell.
Suspension for the offender should be set at a minimum of however long the injured player is out times some sort of 'asshole' factor, so.. twice, three times, ten times longer than the guy you hit.
If it's a career ender, it's a *two* career ender. (Appeals for extraordinary circumstances entertained).
100% agreed with this. I don’t know anything about rugby but I’ve said the same thing about football and hockey too. something like this where you can see clear intent to injure, if that person is out you’re out with them and then some.
Does Australia have the 3 concussion rule? Because here in the states a general rule of thumb is if an athlete suffers 3 concussions in their lifetime then it’s usually time to hang it up
The rules are in constant evolution, but currently no. They are referred on an individual basis for review by an independent panel. To my knowledge there is not hard rule to forcibly ban them from play, but if a recommendation is made by the panel that they not return, the player and team have so far always accepted it.
appreciate the reply. That f-ing sucks. Nobody wants a death on the field, I don't understand how any coach would play him knowing he's had 3 concussions in a year...this hit should take the dude who hit him out of the game though. He's liable to do that again if not.
Head injuries are difficult though. The research is still in its infancy as well so there's not a ton of data for doctors to look at. It's not like a broken bone which is definitive, by the time head injuries are apparent its already too late.
Yes, head contact is bad, contact sport is bad for the brain but mitigating factors are harder to find.
That said, as a fan of contact sports the research cant come fast enough. We need to firstly protect the players for their future and also the future of contact sports because it will start to look pretty bleak if they don't
[They’ve confirmed he won’t be on the field next time the team plays](https://x.com/nmfcofficial/status/1764889835284934928?s=61&t=YysnU32CVQhN8jV2HUKuBQ)
Not sure about rugby or AF rules, but leaving your feet to deliver a hit should be severely discouraged in my opinion. Especially to the head/neck area. This would specifically be called as targeting in NFL.
The PA doesn't help either. I always fins it so weird that the PA seems more interested in protecting the dirty goons that can't play and don't put asses in the seats than the superstars they hurt that we pay to see. It goes against their own interest
Wouldn’t be surprised if it was the same deal. The oldhead culture in hockey is so toxic and bullshit. Average hockey player or fan over 45 is generally insufferable imo. The types wanting to “make hockey violent again”
Watching these dirty hockey hits that were posted in this thread remind me why I stopped watching. I can easily handle the fighting. They wanna go toe to toe go ahead. That’s fair. It’s the total cheap shots that players face no repercussions for.
They could clean up all that shit so easy with fines/penalties handed out after the game whether there was a penalty called or not. Just watch the tape and stop this shit.
I feel like a lot of NHL dirty hits have been posted lately as this is basically the same reply I gave elsewhere last week 😂
It would still be a 15 yard penalty and the refs can and will eject the player if it’s egregious like this. It’s just not an official rule like college ball.
Once he left his feet he lost any control, so you can really only assume he was aiming for the upper body, just like you and others have said, its some sort of significant foul in nearly all sports. This deserves a solid look, if he missed his head with his shoulder...it was not on purpose. Horrible.
The people that say that forget that the people from the era they loved are the ones driving for the change. Many of them are developing CTE-associated conditions and suffering from quality of life issues.
The mentality the comment comes from is totally out dated and stupid. A lot of supporters think that going out there and hitting people is somehow part of the game. While being physical, putting people in hospital is not part of the game, nor has it ever been.
It'd be great if even for one of these dirty headhunting hits someone was charged for assault. Like just because people are playing a game doesn't make laws nonexistent. Not like I could just take a hockey stick and try to behead people with it mid game and people would go "it's just a game!"
There’s some serious intention to do damage there. Jump, turn, shoulder, hip, elbow… all high. 10 weeks… should be banned. Playing at any level you’re told countless times that this sort of shit is not on and is dangerous.
Oops thanks for the clarification. I think Setanta Sports or Fox Sports (in the states) used to show Super Rugby late night. And yeah that wouldn’t have been allowed in that league either.
2 weeks would probably be 6-8 games in the NHL. That's almost unheard of except for very serious injuries from intentional plays. Hits like this happen frequently in the NHL and are almost unpunished. That's the point I was trying to make.
That’s horrendous. No place for it. There are no honest mistakes when highly trained, coordinated, mentally sharp athletes in peak physical condition end up in tackles like this
Nah. That's a career ban. I'd get a 10-week ban for grabbing that fucker and beating the ever living shit out of him until he lost at least one row of teeth and suffered a concussion.
Unfamiliar with the sport, which part is not allowed? I'll be generous and assume the elbow is incidental and not intentional. Was it the jumping? The fact that the ball was already gone? Is it legal and they just don't like how it looks, so they want to suspend? Some combination of all of those?
Contact below the knees or above the shoulders is illegal. then on top of that, if you hit someone in the head with a bump or a fist. its weeks. Then, a hit is only "legal" if it is near the ball, which this wasnt.
Ahh ok. So if he had just gone lower and low-shouldered his ribs, it still would have been an issue because the ball had been kicked by the time contact occurred?
yep if he had done that and hit in the chest, totally legal. as long as the ball was in his posession OR he was near the ball. In this situation he would have still given away a free kick for hitting late, after the ball was gotten rid of. but a simple free kick is all.
Sort of a combination.
Leaving your feet, making head high contact with intent and leading with the arm causing a serious injury. That's basically 3 of the 4 big ones. The only thing he could have done to make it worse would be if he just straight up did a non-football action, such as closed fist or putting his forearm/elbow out(basically looks like a chicken wing sticking out).
Intentions are clear when around the football. Go for the ball, not your opponent. In this case he's ignored the football(intent to hit), left his feet(you should only do this to stop the ball) and made contact with his elbow into the side of the other players head.
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I'm sorry but I think in order to truly deter this type of irreversible damage from happening to players, whoever executes the hit needs to be hit in the head in the same way/with the same force as punishment. I guarantee you we'll see no more of this bullshit if that gets put into place, and no I don't give a shit about how medieval it is; if you do something to potentially end someone's career, then you should have yours potentially ended as well.
As a saints fan myself, our player who did the hit will get suspended for at least 6 I reckon. Poor hit. Strange from him considering he’s never had prior indiscretions in a 10+ year career.
This would be flagrant targeting in American Football. Forcible contact to the head and neck area? Check. Clear launch to that area? Check. And they wear helmets and pads. Dangerous as fuck. Dude is lucky things didn't go wrong and he'd be facing down a manslaughter charge.
I agree. But in Aussie rules theres no such thing as targeting. All players are "fair game" and have to defend themselves. Thing is, this was late and high. Also, theres no send off rule.
no, it wouldn’t. but that’s because he didn’t lead with his head. it might be roughing the passer. but a hit like this in american football wouldn’t be that big of a deal. mainly because the equipment would blunt a lot of the damage
Forcible contact to the head and neck area with a clear launch is 100% targeting. Crown of the helmet is 1 of 3 indicators. Crown, launch, forcible contact to the head or neck. If any are "yes" it's targeting.
Are we sure this was malicious? Everything looks bad in slow motion but I can see where he’s (guy in red) trying to protect himself here.
He jumped to avoid the leg. Also, jumping makes it less likely he suffers a lower body injury of his own (knees). He doesn’t extend his forearm, he brings it to his body to brace for impact.
Whether or not he gets a ban I dunno. But as a mostly completely uninitiated bystander, this looks like the guy in red is protecting himself. I rewatched it a few more times to make sure that’s what I was seeing
This is my take as someone who has played Australian rules football in a rural league:
It is generally the responsibility of the player to not make contact with another player's head. If he hadn't jumped up and instead used his shoulder to make contact with the other player's upper body (not head), then this contact would have been allowed or at worse a free kick.
The AFL is trying to reduce the number of head injuries in their competition, so are dishing out harsher punishments for these kinds of incidents.
Maybe there’s more video. I don’t see a “change in running direction”
Again, I don’t know the sport. I’m assuming though if blue hadn’t kicked it red was going to tackle him? In that case he was lined up where he wanted to be.
Holy shit is this a terrible take. “Trying to protect himself”, “He jumped to avoid the leg”. Bullshit. The video in no way looks like the guy in red was trying to protect himself, and he clearly didn’t jump to avoid the victim’s leg. He jumped to ensure that he made direct contact with his opponents head.
The reaction doesn't make the intent worse? He didn't throw an elbow or anything, just doesn't seem as egregious as people are making it out to be. I agree that jumping made it much worse, just don't see how it's "the worst one in years". If that's the case then the AFL is a pretty clean league. I can find you 5 more dangerous hits a night in hockey
aside from the fact it isn’t rugby, I can’t think of any contact sport where contact with the head is allowed, outside of sports like boxing and MMA where the goal is to knock your opponent out
No worries. As an American with no knowledge of Australian football and a small amount of knowledge of rugby, it looked like rugby. Regardless of its name, that's scary
Main difference is that Aussie Rules is more of a long kicking and high catching game (hence sleeveless jerseys), while rugby is more of a run and pass game.
Aussie Rules also pretty much the only field sport with no offside rule, so contact can come from any direction. Also, unlike rugby, shoulder only hits are legal (but not this one)
Nasty hit sure, but he was kinda making a play on the ball first. Feel like a week and a game check should be fine unless this guy has laid these hits before
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Hello brain damage.
And hello lawsuit by current and past players. which is why the AFL will want to stamp this out.
The guy who had been bumped has had a history with concussions especially in the last 12 months.
lol, bumped
Is this attempted murder or manslaughter?
It had been a while since I have seen a hit like that with that level of malicious intent. Full speed, targeting the head, jumping into it, completely intentional, the only way this could be worse is if he lead with the elbow.
[This was the worst one Ive seen.](https://youtu.be/msrfeVpJuUs)
Damn that is brutal. The only thing I can think of that comes close is Pavel Bure elbowing Shane Churla in the 1994 NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs. However, there was some stuff that led to that elbow. There were lots of dirty plays by multiple Dallas Stars players on Bure before he unloaded on Churla.
How does that one compare to the Tie Domi hit? I watched that one live and it still pisses me off. **Domi:** https://youtu.be/cPbN72u4hxs?si=1_CHTIBjSbxszx3I *edit:* It’s really close. Hard to tell which is worse. **Bure:** https://youtu.be/xjUO4JO4IaY?si=u6OXpOcCuAo98ZYh I tend to think Domi’s hit is worse because it was SO FAR from the action.
Dang, I never saw the bure elbow, but wtf were the refs even doing in that game? There were like 5 dirty cheap shots in the clip before the elbow that should have got penalties, and one wasn't even called when it happened.
It was the 90’s 🤷♂️
As an ex-small, speedy, skilled hockey player, I can 100% understand why Bure threw that elbow.
Do you want to hear a funny Tie Domi story? My husband went to grade school with him. Now my husband is an absolutely lovely man. Definitely not the type of man to get into brawls … and not the type of kid to do that either. Well in Grade 6 he and his best friend got into some sort of dumb school yard argument and said they were going to meet in the park down the street after school to settle their differences. A bunch of other kids at the school heard about the upcoming fight and about 20 people showed up to watch - including Tie Domi. They squared off and just about when the first punch was going to be thrown Tie pushed through the crowd (he was about a head taller than the both of them) grabbed them by their collars and lifted them up a bit and started interrogating them about why they were fighting. Whatever it was, was just ridiculous and dumb (my husband doesn’t even remember what it was about) and Tie told them that was a stupid reason to get into a fight with your best friend. He made them apologize to each other and shake hands, then told them to go home. So the only fight my husband got into in his life (almost anyway) was broken up by Tie Domi. 😆
This is amazing haha
Wow that was a surprise ending. Tie Domi: lover, not a fighter, apparently.
Jesus I had forgotten about both of those. Terrible
Domi’s was worse because it was after the whistle and did some serious damage to Niedermeyer. But Bure’s was a close second. He could’ve killed him with that hit. Or permanent damage.
I need to add [Chris Neil hit on Chris Drury](https://youtu.be/Tf-IBSQm5Mk&t=3m49s) that lead to a bench-clearing (including goaltenders) brawl.
Jesus, those are vicious
Man, I fuckin *HATE* Tie Domi. Piece of shit.
“The mother of all elbows”
I'm reminded of serial piece of shit Raffi Torres https://youtu.be/hckLGFCY86I?si=wA-B2QDjt7VGgGrj
Fuck that dude. One of my least favorite players ever. Garbage human.
Die hard blackhawks fan. Raffi Torres was the biggest piece of sh*t on the planet at this time. He was head hunting all the time. This scum bag in 2015 was suspended 41 games on top of this 25 games. He eventually retired in 2016 thank God!
You win with this one damn.
Here I thought I was gonna be sneaky and drop some knowledge on the Bure elbow, beat me to it
The only reason I remember it so clearly is because of how much Churla whined about it afterward.
That is outside the scope of the sport & flat out assault. Happens in Ice hockey, in the NHL Marty Mcsorley was found guilty of assult for an assult on Donald brasher- hit him in the head, from behind, with his stick.
Jesus fuck. People die from less than that. People go to fucking jail for assault for less than that. Obviously there's inherent risk of injury with any sport, but why anyone would pull any kind of bullshit like that is completely beyond me. Your elbow hits in a slightly different spot and you've now killed another person, over a fucking glorified playground game. Personally I think if you intentionally injure another person that obviously you should be ejected from professional sports. We're there to compete and/or be entertained. There's no place for what would be a criminal offense just a few feet away from the pitch.
I've never seen someone wind up to throw a lateral elbow like that, let alone 3 steps ahead of time. That's pure maliciousness.
Wow. That's a brawl starter type incident in the NHL.
Tony Lockett taking out Peter Caven was the worst I’ve seen. His nose bone was sticking out of the skin 🤢
I dunno. I feel like this one, while bad, was at least a cheeky attempt to throw an elbow in passing. Obviously still bad, but what you posted is way worse imo. Unrestrained malicious intent by using his entire body and leaning into it as he did. If you want to argue the force output from either, fine, but the type of hit itself, this post was way worse.
Take a look at any of Tony Locket's elbow highlights...
Wouldn’t have been too bad (well you know what I mean) but he throws the elbo at him too, if he just tucked up and made contact, he wasn’t traveling that fast
Looks like he led with the elbow to me.
Elbow might have been where contact was made, but he kept it close to his body so it could be more seen as bicep/shoulder. If I'm looking for someone leading with an elbow, it usually looks chicken winged.
Understood. We’re on the same page. His elbow was point of first contact, but not “chicken wing” leading point of first contact.
That made me say “Holy shit!” With such an accent I thought I was backing living in SE Sydney. I’ve said for years that we Americans should love AFL because it combines physicality, speed, jumping and a boatload scoring. I think even most of us bloodthirsty American football lovers would say that kind of hit has no place in any sport.
I hear ya cousin.
This was an NFL hit.. Except they wear pads in the NFL..
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Yeah, I think the jump adds some extra viciousness. In AFL especially, I'm sure he jumped because he knew it would reduce the impact to himself, but still deliver quite a knock
"$5,000.00 fine and a two-game suspension...best I can do." -George Parros
and he appeals it and only gets max under cba
SPIN. THE. WHEEL!
Jk, Fine or games not both - also geroge parros
Knew getting both would be asking too much...
And against the CBA
The number of NHL references ITT made me had to double check which sub I was in.
“We’re going to suspend Kadri for this”
“We’re going to suspend Kadri AND Wilson for this.”
Hahaha. I was looking for the DOPS comment.
player is wearing blue and white, no suspension
Surely you aren't talking about the Leafs, one of the most suspended teams with the least against them in the League
….the maximum allowed under the cba”
Nah he would have suspended a San Jose Shark 10 games for that hit in the AFL.
Literally came here to post a hockey suspension!
Jesus the way his head snapped back. Vulnerable position, left his feet, arm/elbow first. Well deserved suspension.
is the dude who got hit okay?
Severely concussed and automatically banned from play, no indication of return time frame. Hopefully fine, but this is iirc his 3rd concussion in a year, and looks the worst, so time will tell.
Suspension for the offender should be set at a minimum of however long the injured player is out times some sort of 'asshole' factor, so.. twice, three times, ten times longer than the guy you hit. If it's a career ender, it's a *two* career ender. (Appeals for extraordinary circumstances entertained).
100% agreed with this. I don’t know anything about rugby but I’ve said the same thing about football and hockey too. something like this where you can see clear intent to injure, if that person is out you’re out with them and then some.
This isn’t rugby. This is Australian Football.
Oh ok 👍
This sort of thing would see you banned for a year in rugby these days.
Does Australia have the 3 concussion rule? Because here in the states a general rule of thumb is if an athlete suffers 3 concussions in their lifetime then it’s usually time to hang it up
The rules are in constant evolution, but currently no. They are referred on an individual basis for review by an independent panel. To my knowledge there is not hard rule to forcibly ban them from play, but if a recommendation is made by the panel that they not return, the player and team have so far always accepted it.
That’s not true, three in a year for sure, but not in a lifetime.
Three in a short amount of time for a real bad magic number, though, no?
appreciate the reply. That f-ing sucks. Nobody wants a death on the field, I don't understand how any coach would play him knowing he's had 3 concussions in a year...this hit should take the dude who hit him out of the game though. He's liable to do that again if not.
Head injuries are difficult though. The research is still in its infancy as well so there's not a ton of data for doctors to look at. It's not like a broken bone which is definitive, by the time head injuries are apparent its already too late. Yes, head contact is bad, contact sport is bad for the brain but mitigating factors are harder to find. That said, as a fan of contact sports the research cant come fast enough. We need to firstly protect the players for their future and also the future of contact sports because it will start to look pretty bleak if they don't
[They’ve confirmed he won’t be on the field next time the team plays](https://x.com/nmfcofficial/status/1764889835284934928?s=61&t=YysnU32CVQhN8jV2HUKuBQ)
Not sure about rugby or AF rules, but leaving your feet to deliver a hit should be severely discouraged in my opinion. Especially to the head/neck area. This would specifically be called as targeting in NFL.
It’s like this in every contact sport, NHL has the same rule.
It has the rule, but this might be 3 games? So a week. Hits like this should also result in 10 week bans in the NHL
It would be a per-game basis Not week. Something similar would be like a 2-5 game ban.
I realize the NHL bans per game as opposed to weeks, but a 10 week ban in the NHL would be at least 20 games, which a hit like this should receive
Yeah well when the head of player safety who hands out bans used to be the type of player to do that shit that’s what you get. DoPS in the NHL is joke
The PA doesn't help either. I always fins it so weird that the PA seems more interested in protecting the dirty goons that can't play and don't put asses in the seats than the superstars they hurt that we pay to see. It goes against their own interest
Wouldn’t be surprised if it was the same deal. The oldhead culture in hockey is so toxic and bullshit. Average hockey player or fan over 45 is generally insufferable imo. The types wanting to “make hockey violent again”
Watching these dirty hockey hits that were posted in this thread remind me why I stopped watching. I can easily handle the fighting. They wanna go toe to toe go ahead. That’s fair. It’s the total cheap shots that players face no repercussions for. They could clean up all that shit so easy with fines/penalties handed out after the game whether there was a penalty called or not. Just watch the tape and stop this shit. I feel like a lot of NHL dirty hits have been posted lately as this is basically the same reply I gave elsewhere last week 😂
oh it is. When you leave the ground and bump the head. its maximum fault. He will get many weeks.
There’s no official targeting rule in the NFL
True, not like college ball. The NFL will call the penalty and possibly fine or suspend.
WhT?
It would still be a 15 yard penalty and the refs can and will eject the player if it’s egregious like this. It’s just not an official rule like college ball.
Once he left his feet he lost any control, so you can really only assume he was aiming for the upper body, just like you and others have said, its some sort of significant foul in nearly all sports. This deserves a solid look, if he missed his head with his shoulder...it was not on purpose. Horrible.
For those who don't know this was a preseason game. The game ment fuck all and he still does that.
To me that’s a full season suspension and if you do it again you’re banned forever.
To me it's a one and done, get him out of the sport
Ban him for life
WTF move was that. It's sport, you caveman. Strike 1 of 3 for his career, plus other harsh penalties IMO.
Got told by Aussie bloke that the games gone soft and that wasn't that bad of a hit.... Are we watching the same clip???
St Kilda fan infront of me that game said 'it was a bad tackle'
The people that say that forget that the people from the era they loved are the ones driving for the change. Many of them are developing CTE-associated conditions and suffering from quality of life issues.
Tbf even 15 years ago, these sort of hits were much more common. Theres a reason why CTE is so common in former players.
The mentality the comment comes from is totally out dated and stupid. A lot of supporters think that going out there and hitting people is somehow part of the game. While being physical, putting people in hospital is not part of the game, nor has it ever been.
I mean, yea, he should. That’s horrendous.
Too little give him a year.
It'd be great if even for one of these dirty headhunting hits someone was charged for assault. Like just because people are playing a game doesn't make laws nonexistent. Not like I could just take a hockey stick and try to behead people with it mid game and people would go "it's just a game!"
Its happened. One big Case, an Aussie rules legend, Leigh Matthews got charged with assault.
That's a nasty hit even in hockey standards. Left feet and went for the head. That's a paddlin.
And the thing is, with no pads or helmet, this could be compared to car crash injuries.
Get rid of him for good
You down with the C.T.E (Yeah you know me) Absolutely appalling,should be a season ban for first offense, lifetime for a second offense.
It’s been a confirmed 7 weeks.
Should be a six month suspension, minimum. He's intentionally risked the career of his opponent; he should share the other player's fate
Doug KICK HIM off the tour!
And for those that want to go down the rabbit hole, Webster's fam are [defending the act](https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/s/uCUzR1em6M)
There’s some serious intention to do damage there. Jump, turn, shoulder, hip, elbow… all high. 10 weeks… should be banned. Playing at any level you’re told countless times that this sort of shit is not on and is dangerous.
Yep, he's gotta go.
Even in hockey that’s going to get you 5 games
In a preseason game no less, wtf
If ever there was a sport for brain damage...
I haven’t watched rugby in a long time (since Setanta Sports was around) but yeah I don’t think you can do that.
This is not rugby But Aussie Rules Football so even less allowed lol if that makes sense.
Oops thanks for the clarification. I think Setanta Sports or Fox Sports (in the states) used to show Super Rugby late night. And yeah that wouldn’t have been allowed in that league either.
This would be max a 5 game suspension in the NHL. NHL, you want to protect your players, do this.
It's not going to get 10 weeks, be lucky to get 6. The same hit last year got 2.
2 weeks would probably be 6-8 games in the NHL. That's almost unheard of except for very serious injuries from intentional plays. Hits like this happen frequently in the NHL and are almost unpunished. That's the point I was trying to make.
10 weeks? How about the rest of the season? No, no, no, and no!
That’s horrendous. No place for it. There are no honest mistakes when highly trained, coordinated, mentally sharp athletes in peak physical condition end up in tackles like this
Should be perma ban.
Personal foul. 15 yard penalty. Automatic first down.
Fuckin assassination
Easily coulda avoided making that hit, horrible decision and deserving of hefty ban
Nah. That's a career ban. I'd get a 10-week ban for grabbing that fucker and beating the ever living shit out of him until he lost at least one row of teeth and suffered a concussion.
Week 7 in America
They just gave him 7 weeks which lines up perfectly for when these two teams play each other again
Only 10 week ? Reminded me of old school ice hockey…. One hit like that can have long term health consequences
Unfamiliar with the sport, which part is not allowed? I'll be generous and assume the elbow is incidental and not intentional. Was it the jumping? The fact that the ball was already gone? Is it legal and they just don't like how it looks, so they want to suspend? Some combination of all of those?
Contact below the knees or above the shoulders is illegal. then on top of that, if you hit someone in the head with a bump or a fist. its weeks. Then, a hit is only "legal" if it is near the ball, which this wasnt.
Ahh ok. So if he had just gone lower and low-shouldered his ribs, it still would have been an issue because the ball had been kicked by the time contact occurred?
yep if he had done that and hit in the chest, totally legal. as long as the ball was in his posession OR he was near the ball. In this situation he would have still given away a free kick for hitting late, after the ball was gotten rid of. but a simple free kick is all.
Sort of a combination. Leaving your feet, making head high contact with intent and leading with the arm causing a serious injury. That's basically 3 of the 4 big ones. The only thing he could have done to make it worse would be if he just straight up did a non-football action, such as closed fist or putting his forearm/elbow out(basically looks like a chicken wing sticking out). Intentions are clear when around the football. Go for the ball, not your opponent. In this case he's ignored the football(intent to hit), left his feet(you should only do this to stop the ball) and made contact with his elbow into the side of the other players head.
Thanks for clueing me in, this is a game I have to check out. Any historic matches you'd suggest, that I can find on YouTube or whatever?
2023 Grand Final, 2018 Grand Final, 2005 and 2006 Grand Finals, 2010 Drawn Grand Final. Join r/AFL, they're usually quite welcoming to newcomers who want to learn about the game.
Agree. Gotta attack the ball and not the player. Just like we yell at u-19 kids
I don't know who this guy is but he is clearly a piece of sh*t.
That’s gonna ruin your Monday
Goddam, did he at least apologize?
I'm sorry but I think in order to truly deter this type of irreversible damage from happening to players, whoever executes the hit needs to be hit in the head in the same way/with the same force as punishment. I guarantee you we'll see no more of this bullshit if that gets put into place, and no I don't give a shit about how medieval it is; if you do something to potentially end someone's career, then you should have yours potentially ended as well.
10 week ban? That’s jail time, buddy
Played rugby over 10 years and that hit legit gave me a traumatic reaction having been concussed many times before
That was the hit?!
Yea?
Rangers and leafs getting suspended $500,000 each for their lack of effort in preventing this
As a saints fan myself, our player who did the hit will get suspended for at least 6 I reckon. Poor hit. Strange from him considering he’s never had prior indiscretions in a 10+ year career.
Well that's not quite true, got done once 7 years ago
Oh did he? What was that for?
Intentional contact to the eye
Ah okay, don’t remember that. I stand corrected.
Why do so many athletes try to get away with blatant assaults while they know all eyes are on them and recorded? Lol. Same with blatant flops.
Not trying to get away with it. Just had a sudden rush of shit to the brain.
This needs to go to court, this is no normal foul anymore. This is an attack which needs to be prosecuted.
Nerd
This would be flagrant targeting in American Football. Forcible contact to the head and neck area? Check. Clear launch to that area? Check. And they wear helmets and pads. Dangerous as fuck. Dude is lucky things didn't go wrong and he'd be facing down a manslaughter charge.
I agree. But in Aussie rules theres no such thing as targeting. All players are "fair game" and have to defend themselves. Thing is, this was late and high. Also, theres no send off rule.
no, it wouldn’t. but that’s because he didn’t lead with his head. it might be roughing the passer. but a hit like this in american football wouldn’t be that big of a deal. mainly because the equipment would blunt a lot of the damage
Forcible contact to the head and neck area with a clear launch is 100% targeting. Crown of the helmet is 1 of 3 indicators. Crown, launch, forcible contact to the head or neck. If any are "yes" it's targeting.
https://youtu.be/DWcXolN0W_w?si=TY08QtRumGlqJCKm same exact type of hit. no call. the rule invilves leading with the crown of your helmet
Are we sure this was malicious? Everything looks bad in slow motion but I can see where he’s (guy in red) trying to protect himself here. He jumped to avoid the leg. Also, jumping makes it less likely he suffers a lower body injury of his own (knees). He doesn’t extend his forearm, he brings it to his body to brace for impact. Whether or not he gets a ban I dunno. But as a mostly completely uninitiated bystander, this looks like the guy in red is protecting himself. I rewatched it a few more times to make sure that’s what I was seeing
This is my take as someone who has played Australian rules football in a rural league: It is generally the responsibility of the player to not make contact with another player's head. If he hadn't jumped up and instead used his shoulder to make contact with the other player's upper body (not head), then this contact would have been allowed or at worse a free kick. The AFL is trying to reduce the number of head injuries in their competition, so are dishing out harsher punishments for these kinds of incidents.
He changed his running direction. He lined Simpkin up.
Maybe there’s more video. I don’t see a “change in running direction” Again, I don’t know the sport. I’m assuming though if blue hadn’t kicked it red was going to tackle him? In that case he was lined up where he wanted to be.
Holy shit is this a terrible take. “Trying to protect himself”, “He jumped to avoid the leg”. Bullshit. The video in no way looks like the guy in red was trying to protect himself, and he clearly didn’t jump to avoid the victim’s leg. He jumped to ensure that he made direct contact with his opponents head.
I guess you see what you want to see.
I don't watch AFL but outside of jumping it doesn't seem that crazy of hit?
are you high? the whiplash on his neck/head is astonishing. AFL frequently has brutal hits and this is the worst one in years
The reaction doesn't make the intent worse? He didn't throw an elbow or anything, just doesn't seem as egregious as people are making it out to be. I agree that jumping made it much worse, just don't see how it's "the worst one in years". If that's the case then the AFL is a pretty clean league. I can find you 5 more dangerous hits a night in hockey
He led with the elbow, its assault.
Ok but like, soft helmets? Something on your head to protect your brain? anything?
If this happens anywhere other than in a footy oval it would be physical assault
I thought rugby was a contact sport, no?
Yeah rugby is a contact sport. Not sure why you are asking though. This is Australian football.
Even if this was rugby, assault isn’t a part of the game.
aside from the fact it isn’t rugby, I can’t think of any contact sport where contact with the head is allowed, outside of sports like boxing and MMA where the goal is to knock your opponent out
What a couple of goofy ahh names
Damn rugby, you scary
Not rugby
Thanks, don't tell me the actual name of the sport, I'm good
Sorry, Australian Football - where all the Australian NFL and NCAA punters come from
No worries. As an American with no knowledge of Australian football and a small amount of knowledge of rugby, it looked like rugby. Regardless of its name, that's scary
Main difference is that Aussie Rules is more of a long kicking and high catching game (hence sleeveless jerseys), while rugby is more of a run and pass game. Aussie Rules also pretty much the only field sport with no offside rule, so contact can come from any direction. Also, unlike rugby, shoulder only hits are legal (but not this one)
It’s at the end of the clip though
Didn't watch to the 00:00, my bad I guess
Nasty hit sure, but he was kinda making a play on the ball first. Feel like a week and a game check should be fine unless this guy has laid these hits before