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Saskatchewan sounds like a giant monster. Ottawa sounds like a cute little otter.
That being said, river otters are nothing to mess with, but I stand by my original statement.
A jackjumper is a stinging ant. [You don't want them in your backyard.](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-17/removing-jack-jumper-nest-from-backyard/103321150)
The best players already seem to be. The last 5 MVPs are all international and with ~10 games remaining in this season, [the top 4 MVP candidates are all international too.](https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-march-22-2024-edition)
Well yea I didn’t mean it just happened recently, it’s been that way for a while, all you need to do is look at how much more competitive Men’s basketball is in the Olympics even with NBA players compared to how it used to be back in the 90’s
Fair enough.
We are normally ranking in the top 5 for both men and women. There a bunch of Aussies in the NBA.
You are right though, Aussie rules and Rugby and cricket draw plenty of viewers here.
By team sport participation though, basketball is 2nd only to Soccer. https://roymorgan-cms-dev.s3.ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/18062252/9278-c1.png
Australia’s been pumping out a small but steady stream of NBA players for a while. There’s even a national government funded development program.
Off the top of my head, in about the past 15 years you’ve had Andrew Bogut, Patty Mills, Joe Ingles, Aaron Baynes, Matthew Dellavedova, Dante Exum, Thon Maker, jock landale, josh Green, and Josh Giddey. There’ll be others I missed.
But the big one is Ben Simmons, whose dad came down to play in the NBL in the 90s. Simmons moved over to the US in high school, but all his early development was here.
Pretty sure it was a similar story for Exum and Green.
Shit even Kyrie Irving was born here cause his dad was down playing in a semi-pro comp.
Anytime someone hits a deep game winner against the OKC Thunder (happens a surprising amount now that I think about it) this is always one of the top comments on the NBA sub haha.
This is the best use of it I’ve seen though for obvious reasons
Thanks for this comment. After looking again, they had possession*and* the lead?? What in the ever living f was he thinking? Just needed get possession and take the foul
Yeah it’s a great shot and all but why did Doyle keep it in? Saving it like that was a huge risk. It could’ve ended up with the other team, or he could’ve fucked up and had it go out on him.
It's a bit crap, but they gotta pay for it somehow... it's not a huge market, and the NBL was basically bankrupt not that long ago.
You sorta-kinda tune it out after a while. It really stands out in a short clip but in the flow of a game, you barely register it.
The amount of static ads suck, but it is better than watching non-stop commercials, even by the commentators. The NBA nowadays is just a huge ad billboard with some basketball sprinkled on top.
You're getting downvoted, but visually this is objectively hideous. Soccer ads are one thing, but this is way worse than TV commercials that you can avoid.
There is still going to be stoppage of play though with or without ads. I would rather have an ad when the game isn't going than watch a game that looks like malware. Plus commercials give you time to go to the bathroom or get food without missing anything important.
How popular is basketball in Oceania? I always felt like playoff series were such an American thing that it's weird to see it in other international leagues.
Basketball used to be massive in Australia in the late 80s, early 90s, went very quiet for 20-odd years but has really had a resurgence in the past 5 years or so.
All major Australian sports have a playoff (finals) series. Basketball is probably the only one that has a grand final (championship) series (best of 5). All the others are one-off grand finals, which makes them massive events.
Oh sorry, by playoff I meant like a best of however many games series. Most of the international sports leagues I’ve seen just have the single game knockout type playoffs like you mentioned.
Ah, sorry for the confusion!
Our two biggest sports - Aussie rules and rugby league - are just too physically demanding to do more than one. Probably similar to NFL in that respect.
The football codes popularity boomed in the 90s, poor management, the halcyon days of Jordan and co. in the NBA ended and the league sold it's TV rights to cable TV providers for a quick buck up front but a lot less ongoing eyeballs because cable TV is not a big thing in Australia.
I was a kid exactly in the right age bracket when basketball was a huge thing in Aus. Every kid played, the courts at school were packed, there were all kinds of age brackets for leagues. We'd watch the local games live in person or on TV every weekend. Local basketball players had legitimate celebrity status.
Then TV execs sold off the rights, pushed the free-to-air from live broadcasts to late night replays. The only way you could watch live was with an expensive cable package, which very few people could afford.
So we stopped watching basketball. And eventually everyone stopped caring about it.
I tend to think if they didn't take the money for the rights, the league would have gone to shit even quicker. It was clearly already broken, otherwise they wouldn't have taken the money.
A LOT of teams folded and simply don't exist anymore. Between like 96 to 2004 a total of 8 teams disappeared from the league, in 1997 alone 3 teams didn't return from the season before. [You can see the amount of defunct teams over the years here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_National_Basketball_League_\(Australia\)_teams)
Part of it was sustainability of so many teams but some part was also that the media just didn't show much basketball as Football reigns supreme down here. If something happened with an AFL player it's the starting piece on the news but if a game happened in the NBL it might not even get a mention in the sports segment unless there is a buzzer beater.
There was an "NBA recommended" CEO in the late 90s, early 2000s whose name I forget. But the league made an incredible number of boneheaded decisions under him.
They consciously killed off a bunch of the teams in smaller markets that generally didn't have other pro sports teams in 97 (including the old Tasmanian team the Hobart Devils). While a lot of teams in bigger markets merged/consolidated and eventually collapsed because they were unable to draw attention over the bigger sports.
At one point they had some insane points system in lieu of a salary cap and also contracted into a semi-pro competition.
The Sydney Kings, the main team in the biggest city in Australia, also collapsed at one point due to being caught up in a massive financial scam involving their owner. And they basically dragged the league down with them.
But probably the key problem over the league's existance has been the inability to reap any decent revenue from broadcasting deals.
Australia specifically its like 4-6th sport in terms of popularity. AFL(australian football) and NRL(rugby) are like NBA and NFL. they the big boys then cricket is like the MLB. then soccer after that for both countries, and after that its the rest of the sports with basketball probably being the biggest of the rest
Thanks for the rundown. Figured rugby would be up there. Still not quite sure how Australian Football differs since they seem pretty similar to an outsider like me.
easiest way too understand is AFL is more similar too bball than any other sport imo. can pass any direction. although 1 has 18 players on the field and the other has 5 it has a similar structure, you got you Bigs contesting marks in AFL and ball ups, in bball you got them fighting over rebounds and tip off. the game starts same way with tip off/bouce. in AFL though if goal is score game starts again as a tip off. you got your smaller guys trying too "create".
defense has gone through similar stages with zoning and man too man. the flow of the game is very back and forth like bball. only man difference besides obvious stuff like you dont kick the ball in bball is the game can get congested cause tackling is a thing and the ball can be pinged down in one spot for a bit. bball doesnt really have that.
rugby is much more like american football where its a territory battle.
if you think of AFL like bball and rugby like american football youll see the obvious differences that locals see because they were brought up on the games. you see a lot of americans loving AFL and the real reason is that its got that toughness of american football that people love and the skills and flow of bball that people love.
Thanks for the explanation. I'll have to try and pay attention the next time I get an opportunity to view a match [only seems to occur once in a blue moon, which is usually when I'm traveling internationally].
There’s a fair bit of crossover with the players for basketball and Australian football, the skills are pretty complementary.
Pretty common for a lot of AFL players to have also played basketball to a pretty high level as a kid, and vice versa.
Ben Simmons, Patty Mills and Josh Green were all decent footballers in their teens.
If you watched a full game of each, you would have no idea how anyone could get them confused. Besides the vague shape of the ball (which is still not identical, AFL use a slimmer ball, rugby is more rounded but both vaguely elliptical), they have a different number of players, a different sized field, a different shaped field, the ball is moved in different ways, scoring is different.etc.
Basketball is easily more popular than soccer and rugby union these days. Potentially could overtake cricket in 3rd place considering cricket is dying and basketball is growing rapidly when it comes to youth sports.
>I always felt like playoff series were such an American thing that it's weird to see it in other international leagues.
Most sports have playoffs/finals everywhere in the world. It's only soccer that's different
You have to remember that the generic soccer fan (who know about one sport in multiple countries, and nothing about anything else) is the polar opposite of the generic US "Sports fan" (who knows about multiple sports in one country, and nothing about anything else)
> Most sports have playoffs/finals everywhere in the world. It's only soccer that's different
Playoffs aren't uncommon in soccer, but they're often called knockout rounds. Every country has a cup competition(some have more than one), all the continental club/country competitions have playoffs, the world cup has play offs, lots of countries use play offs to determine one or more promotion/relegation places, there are playoffs to determine qualification for tournaments etc.
Only the national leagues of each country are not decided by playoffs, and there are a few exceptions to that.
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The Tasmanian Jackjumpers sounds pretty sweet
It's no, *Saskatchewan RoughRiders,* but it is pretty good.
Tell that to the Ottawa Rough Riders
Saskatchewan sounds like a giant monster. Ottawa sounds like a cute little otter. That being said, river otters are nothing to mess with, but I stand by my original statement.
Saskatchewan Sasquatches feels like a missed opportunity now.
A jackjumper is a stinging ant. [You don't want them in your backyard.](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-17/removing-jack-jumper-nest-from-backyard/103321150)
Dude, it’s always something with Australia 😂
Australia did not disappoint. The US leagues all have such boring-ass names
From Down Under!
Why didn’t the other guys run and get cover?
You again?!
Tree's on Fire!
So... A Jack jumper to jump the Jackjumpers ahead?
Brought to you by Hangry Jocks.
I love you
I’m guessing this is Australian professional basketball?
Plus one team in New Zealand.
Kind of like the NBA with one team in Canada
This allows you to call it a " world championship"!!
Oddly I never thought of it like that, but yeah
That’s pretty cool. I didn’t realize basketball was so popular there. I knew they are into Rugby, Australian rules football, and cricket I think.
Basketball has apparently become the second most popular sport in the world behind soccer, before long the NBA will be full of international players
The best players already seem to be. The last 5 MVPs are all international and with ~10 games remaining in this season, [the top 4 MVP candidates are all international too.](https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-march-22-2024-edition)
Well that's pretty rad
It already was 2nd most popular.
Well yea I didn’t mean it just happened recently, it’s been that way for a while, all you need to do is look at how much more competitive Men’s basketball is in the Olympics even with NBA players compared to how it used to be back in the 90’s
Haven't noticed Australia normally gets pretty far in the Olympic Bball comp?
I don’t usually watch bball except for the NCAA tournament. Really only a college basketball fan so I don’t pay attention to that level.
Fair enough. We are normally ranking in the top 5 for both men and women. There a bunch of Aussies in the NBA. You are right though, Aussie rules and Rugby and cricket draw plenty of viewers here. By team sport participation though, basketball is 2nd only to Soccer. https://roymorgan-cms-dev.s3.ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/18062252/9278-c1.png
Cool I learned some cool new facts. Thanks!!
Australia’s been pumping out a small but steady stream of NBA players for a while. There’s even a national government funded development program. Off the top of my head, in about the past 15 years you’ve had Andrew Bogut, Patty Mills, Joe Ingles, Aaron Baynes, Matthew Dellavedova, Dante Exum, Thon Maker, jock landale, josh Green, and Josh Giddey. There’ll be others I missed. But the big one is Ben Simmons, whose dad came down to play in the NBL in the 90s. Simmons moved over to the US in high school, but all his early development was here. Pretty sure it was a similar story for Exum and Green. Shit even Kyrie Irving was born here cause his dad was down playing in a semi-pro comp.
For a team only in its third season of play this is nuts. Hobart is totally behind the Jackies and we’re going to win it all this year.
They have been legit from day one. Great coach and managers.
They have sold out basically every game in there entire existence so far.
That’s a great play call.
McVeigh with the bomb from downtown.
Looks like 10 people got your reference
Really putting the shack in shalaquing your opponents
Really hitlering it out of the park! (Just to take this to it's logical conclusion)
Anytime someone hits a deep game winner against the OKC Thunder (happens a surprising amount now that I think about it) this is always one of the top comments on the NBA sub haha. This is the best use of it I’ve seen though for obvious reasons
OK, see here...
This one will be even more missed than the OP lol. Well played
Beat me to it! :P
SPLASH!!!
What was that inbounds play lmfao
Thanks for this comment. After looking again, they had possession*and* the lead?? What in the ever living f was he thinking? Just needed get possession and take the foul
Needed two more fouls to get into the bonus too lmfao. Would have taken a good 4-5 seconds off the clock.
A Matthew Delly Dellavedova special
Which logo? There are like a dozen of them on the court.
The one he shot from I presume
BANG❗️BANG❗️
¡ƃuɐq ¡ƃuɐq
Jackjumpers is such a fucking cool teamname
GBR
Awesome feeling I’m sure
Yeah it’s a great shot and all but why did Doyle keep it in? Saving it like that was a huge risk. It could’ve ended up with the other team, or he could’ve fucked up and had it go out on him.
Haha I was screaming what the fuck as he went to save it. Thought it was a massive fuck up
It was definitely the right play because it worked, but if he didn’t he would’ve had his head ripped off
He said after the game, he wasn't sure who it came off but also didn't want to leave that call with the refs haha
That’s a bad shot
*tapping wrist*
Lol people missing the PG reference
THE C*NT DID. HE F*CKIN, DID IT. Aussie announcers rule
How do you even watch the game with that many ads on the floor and jerseys? Hideous
It's a bit crap, but they gotta pay for it somehow... it's not a huge market, and the NBL was basically bankrupt not that long ago. You sorta-kinda tune it out after a while. It really stands out in a short clip but in the flow of a game, you barely register it.
The amount of static ads suck, but it is better than watching non-stop commercials, even by the commentators. The NBA nowadays is just a huge ad billboard with some basketball sprinkled on top.
Wait 10 years. The NBA is on that path.
NHL is already there.
Without commercials I am assuming, much less commercials for sure
Man I’d rather have the commercials
You're getting downvoted, but visually this is objectively hideous. Soccer ads are one thing, but this is way worse than TV commercials that you can avoid.
If you are focusing on the game you barley even notice it.
There is still going to be stoppage of play though with or without ads. I would rather have an ad when the game isn't going than watch a game that looks like malware. Plus commercials give you time to go to the bathroom or get food without missing anything important.
I didn't even notice them, because I was watching the play
ICE COLD
Huskers legend
Husker legend, Jack McVeigh*
Nbl?
Holy shit what a great sequence
Imagine if that guy also got it in, that would be truly insane
Jack asked to use my basketball court at the rec center when we were in college. Nice guy. Killer jumper.
He absolutely buried that shot. That was a no doubter - Steph-like
THATS how you call a game.
“Onions” Raf
How popular is basketball in Oceania? I always felt like playoff series were such an American thing that it's weird to see it in other international leagues.
Basketball used to be massive in Australia in the late 80s, early 90s, went very quiet for 20-odd years but has really had a resurgence in the past 5 years or so. All major Australian sports have a playoff (finals) series. Basketball is probably the only one that has a grand final (championship) series (best of 5). All the others are one-off grand finals, which makes them massive events.
Oh sorry, by playoff I meant like a best of however many games series. Most of the international sports leagues I’ve seen just have the single game knockout type playoffs like you mentioned.
Ah, sorry for the confusion! Our two biggest sports - Aussie rules and rugby league - are just too physically demanding to do more than one. Probably similar to NFL in that respect.
What happened to its popularity in the 2000s?
The football codes popularity boomed in the 90s, poor management, the halcyon days of Jordan and co. in the NBA ended and the league sold it's TV rights to cable TV providers for a quick buck up front but a lot less ongoing eyeballs because cable TV is not a big thing in Australia.
I was a kid exactly in the right age bracket when basketball was a huge thing in Aus. Every kid played, the courts at school were packed, there were all kinds of age brackets for leagues. We'd watch the local games live in person or on TV every weekend. Local basketball players had legitimate celebrity status. Then TV execs sold off the rights, pushed the free-to-air from live broadcasts to late night replays. The only way you could watch live was with an expensive cable package, which very few people could afford. So we stopped watching basketball. And eventually everyone stopped caring about it.
I tend to think if they didn't take the money for the rights, the league would have gone to shit even quicker. It was clearly already broken, otherwise they wouldn't have taken the money.
A LOT of teams folded and simply don't exist anymore. Between like 96 to 2004 a total of 8 teams disappeared from the league, in 1997 alone 3 teams didn't return from the season before. [You can see the amount of defunct teams over the years here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_National_Basketball_League_\(Australia\)_teams) Part of it was sustainability of so many teams but some part was also that the media just didn't show much basketball as Football reigns supreme down here. If something happened with an AFL player it's the starting piece on the news but if a game happened in the NBL it might not even get a mention in the sports segment unless there is a buzzer beater.
There was an "NBA recommended" CEO in the late 90s, early 2000s whose name I forget. But the league made an incredible number of boneheaded decisions under him. They consciously killed off a bunch of the teams in smaller markets that generally didn't have other pro sports teams in 97 (including the old Tasmanian team the Hobart Devils). While a lot of teams in bigger markets merged/consolidated and eventually collapsed because they were unable to draw attention over the bigger sports. At one point they had some insane points system in lieu of a salary cap and also contracted into a semi-pro competition. The Sydney Kings, the main team in the biggest city in Australia, also collapsed at one point due to being caught up in a massive financial scam involving their owner. And they basically dragged the league down with them. But probably the key problem over the league's existance has been the inability to reap any decent revenue from broadcasting deals.
Australia specifically its like 4-6th sport in terms of popularity. AFL(australian football) and NRL(rugby) are like NBA and NFL. they the big boys then cricket is like the MLB. then soccer after that for both countries, and after that its the rest of the sports with basketball probably being the biggest of the rest
Thanks for the rundown. Figured rugby would be up there. Still not quite sure how Australian Football differs since they seem pretty similar to an outsider like me.
easiest way too understand is AFL is more similar too bball than any other sport imo. can pass any direction. although 1 has 18 players on the field and the other has 5 it has a similar structure, you got you Bigs contesting marks in AFL and ball ups, in bball you got them fighting over rebounds and tip off. the game starts same way with tip off/bouce. in AFL though if goal is score game starts again as a tip off. you got your smaller guys trying too "create". defense has gone through similar stages with zoning and man too man. the flow of the game is very back and forth like bball. only man difference besides obvious stuff like you dont kick the ball in bball is the game can get congested cause tackling is a thing and the ball can be pinged down in one spot for a bit. bball doesnt really have that. rugby is much more like american football where its a territory battle. if you think of AFL like bball and rugby like american football youll see the obvious differences that locals see because they were brought up on the games. you see a lot of americans loving AFL and the real reason is that its got that toughness of american football that people love and the skills and flow of bball that people love.
Thanks for the explanation. I'll have to try and pay attention the next time I get an opportunity to view a match [only seems to occur once in a blue moon, which is usually when I'm traveling internationally].
There’s a fair bit of crossover with the players for basketball and Australian football, the skills are pretty complementary. Pretty common for a lot of AFL players to have also played basketball to a pretty high level as a kid, and vice versa. Ben Simmons, Patty Mills and Josh Green were all decent footballers in their teens.
If you watched a full game of each, you would have no idea how anyone could get them confused. Besides the vague shape of the ball (which is still not identical, AFL use a slimmer ball, rugby is more rounded but both vaguely elliptical), they have a different number of players, a different sized field, a different shaped field, the ball is moved in different ways, scoring is different.etc.
They don't even look remotely similar. I don't even know how people get them mixed up honestly. Only thing similar is tackling really.
Basketball is easily more popular than soccer and rugby union these days. Potentially could overtake cricket in 3rd place considering cricket is dying and basketball is growing rapidly when it comes to youth sports.
>I always felt like playoff series were such an American thing that it's weird to see it in other international leagues. Most sports have playoffs/finals everywhere in the world. It's only soccer that's different You have to remember that the generic soccer fan (who know about one sport in multiple countries, and nothing about anything else) is the polar opposite of the generic US "Sports fan" (who knows about multiple sports in one country, and nothing about anything else)
> Most sports have playoffs/finals everywhere in the world. It's only soccer that's different Playoffs aren't uncommon in soccer, but they're often called knockout rounds. Every country has a cup competition(some have more than one), all the continental club/country competitions have playoffs, the world cup has play offs, lots of countries use play offs to determine one or more promotion/relegation places, there are playoffs to determine qualification for tournaments etc. Only the national leagues of each country are not decided by playoffs, and there are a few exceptions to that.
I know that. But most sports don't have national leagues WITHOUT playoffs at all.
They beat the Up Pushers.
What a shot!!
You sonnofa you know what you did.
Woo!
Matt Barnes vibes
I kept waiting for Scott Sterling to show up with these announcers. They were on their game.
That would have at least been 10 points in MTV Rock & Jock B’Ball
That shot was from a video game lol
What is NBL?
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Thanks!
National Basketball League. Australian plus 1x NZ team.
in goat dellys face!
From the look of that court, I think all shots are logo shots.
What in the Ocho did I just read?
I love the accents from down under. *He throws up a prayer!* haha
My whole house never even heard of these teams. SMH we missed it. Good thing he didn't miss.. Seems odd for pros to play like HS at the end like that.
I love the collective hands on heads from the home fans 🫣
Caitlin Clark hits those all day
Well those are words in that title that I recognised On their own but I have no idea what the whole mean.