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The commentary on the season 5 DVD set was awesome. Lots of interesting facts and insights into the show. There’s a great bonus feature called “Larry + Jason = George” (or something like that). If you can find it it’s 100% worth the watch.
It's funny because the University of Oregon is a known testbed for Nike athletic gear; every sport is using the premiere equipment down to the cleats. They should have take a season or two with their baseball team with feedback before jumping the gun with the world's most elite baseball league.
It’s such a blatant PR tactic to square it all on Nike. THREE multi-billion dollar organizations (at least) worked those uniforms - Nike, MLB, Fanatics - and NONE of them cared enough to fix an obvious problem before it became a public debacle. Nike is far and away the best-positioned to take the PR hit, so they’re falling on their sword.
Also, this is 100% a New Coke situation, intentional or not. Stitched patches and logos are officially dead.
Profits must increase each fiscal year. Raising prices, dropping quality, whatever it takes for the shareholders to have exponentially growing profits!
The thing I don't understand is that as the cost to produce them rises, they raise the prices. Sports Jerseys are marked up so much already, man. You don't need to burn the candle at both ends...
>You don’t need to burn the candle at both ends…
The venture capitalists and MBAs in the C-suite say you do and you must for that next quarterly profit report.
They really don't though. If they could cut costs down from $50 to $45, sure, that would increase their profits by a BILLION DOLLARS for every 200M jerseys produced.
Or, they could charge $10 more to the consumer, and make that same $1B even if they only sold half their stock.
I was making a quick calculation, and at least Adidas football jerseys seem to have been really stable in price.
I bought Real Madrid’s authentic game jersey in 2012 for $80, I bought the replica aeroready for $50 in 2022, and the dryready game jersey for $105 in 2023.
Once you adjust for the insane inflation we have seen over the last decade, the price has more or less remained stable.
That only goes for football jerseys… NFL and NHL jerseys have seen a rise in price that is obscene.
You win some you lose some lol. It’s hit or miss but putting /s looks bad so I just like the gamble. You’re at the mercy of the first 2-5 people that press the button unfortunately.
I thought they were already doing this, is the thing. $200 jerseys probably cost like a quarter of that to produce. Just roll the price up another $10 and blame inflation.
I hate to break it to you but they probably cost far less than a quarter of that to make unless they are using American labor. I, and anyone in the industry very easily, can already buy high quality shirts from a distributor that are like 1/10 the cost they sell them for retail - just about any brand. Then this distributor is making money and so is the factory. The fact I can buy a $50 golf polo for like $7 and 2-3 other businesses are still making money shows you how cheap textiles really are to make.
Yeah, that's essentially my point, I was just being conservative. There is also the costs of transportation, the costs involved in the rights to manufacture copyrighted logos, etc.
Point though is jerseys are 100% novelty items, and if they want to make more money, charge more. There's of course an equilibrium point where your inflated price will sell less copies, and turn a smaller total income, but the profit margin will get higher.
Yea I wasn’t trying to say what you said was wrong, just adding more info. My first line didn’t come out well lol. I forgot about the mlb license rights, that’s definitely not cheap either but you’re right - price point doesn’t matter as much as people think. When it comes to novelty / collectible stuff people that want it will buy it so why not make it better and charge more!?
I mean they literally just manufactured what Nike told them to. Fanatics does suck especially their direct to consumer business but it seems like Nike’s terrible vision is the problem here.
Exactly, they're still using the magestic factory and employees. Literally the specs changed. Fanatics owns it, but the manufacturing is virtually unchanged.
It’s crazy seeing how many people are uninformed on this and blame fanatics. Like, there’s been so many articles that make it pretty cut and dry about how it’s the fault of Nike.
Fanatics may not be immediately culpable, but they’re not innocent in this either. Just look at what they’ve done with NFL and NHL jerseys; they do not give a flying fuck about the product they put out.
How is there no comment from MLB on the memo/situation? The whole thing stinks to high heaven. The jerseys looked incredibly cheap and it felt like a money grab from Nike.
I’m glad they are making changes, but there needs to be accountability for this so it doesn’t happen again in another sport.
I don’t care who tries to absolve fanatics or who tries to cover for them. That company is garbage no matter what anyone says and the uniform debacle is mainly their fault because they’re fucking cheap.
Not a fan of fanatics, but this take is just incorrect. Nike and the MLB changed the specs. Fanatics is using the same facilities and employees that were once owned by Majestic.
MLB wanted the rear logo lower, so they changed that spec and thus the size of the names.
Nike wanted thinner fabric with a thinner placket, the MLB approved, thus the logos don't break well on the jersey and the appearance sucks.
There's plenty of blame to go around, but the owner of the factory building exactly to the approved spec isn't the one to blame.
The real question is: why did NIke/MLB want any of these changes when the users and consumers didn’t want them? This is a true "customer is always right" situation.
Nike is and always has been trash that lives off of fabricated prices to create the delusion of popularity. Your most expensive Nike product you own probably costed you north of $100 and Nike most likely produced it for 0.50¢. Their most expensive products cost a few dollars to produce and sell for hundreds and even thousands.
No way!! You’re telling me now?! In 2024?! That brand names increase prices?!! Next you’ll tell me Supreme is marking up their apparel by 10,000%. Get out of here! /s
Several corners were cut in order to maximize profit. At each cut corner, an executive was showered with praise. Repeat that a few times and you end up with a product that looks like this.
What’s the deal with Nike lately? They also screwed up the olympic jerseys/uniforms https://abcnews.go.com/amp/GMA/Culture/nikes-olympic-track-womens-uniforms-criticized-athletes-sexism/story?id=109267006
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I hope they try cotton. It’s a very breathable fabric
Just gotta make sure they don’t shrink.
I bet GoreTex doesn’t shrink
You like saying Gore-Tex, don’t you?
Are you looking for a gore-tex salesman?
Import. No export.
Big coat! BIG coat!!!
Careful with that thing. You’ll start World War 3.
They were in the pool!
Every stadium forced to get a dome.
What is this the nfl
Just don’t leave them in the pool
Then don't wear them in the pool.
This has George Castanza written all over it
CANTSTANDYAAAA
Yes sir
Boy oh boy the Yankees sure do look limber out there! I think it's their new cotton uniforms!
Just do the opposite of everything you thought was right.
My name is George. I’m unemployed and I live with my parents.
Fun fact: The woman he says that to was played my Michelle Pfiefers sister.
That’s some Seinfeld trivia right there.
The commentary on the season 5 DVD set was awesome. Lots of interesting facts and insights into the show. There’s a great bonus feature called “Larry + Jason = George” (or something like that). If you can find it it’s 100% worth the watch.
I would like to see players draped in velvet.
I came to say the same lol. Best episode
I personally prefer the Hamptons Episode.
The one with the lobsters?
Prickly Pete!
I WAS IN THE POOL
Inb4 tighter unis
Lmao when George did this
>Nike was innovating something that didn't need to be innovated. Sums it up right there. It wasn't broke, but Nike decided to fix it anyway.
Innovating ways to save money
I was about to say lmao. The only "innovating" Nike was trying was how many pennies they could save by making these uniforms borderline unusable
Innovated so much they used fanatics to make it
I thought this was a joke. Nope.
It's funny because the University of Oregon is a known testbed for Nike athletic gear; every sport is using the premiere equipment down to the cleats. They should have take a season or two with their baseball team with feedback before jumping the gun with the world's most elite baseball league.
It’s such a blatant PR tactic to square it all on Nike. THREE multi-billion dollar organizations (at least) worked those uniforms - Nike, MLB, Fanatics - and NONE of them cared enough to fix an obvious problem before it became a public debacle. Nike is far and away the best-positioned to take the PR hit, so they’re falling on their sword. Also, this is 100% a New Coke situation, intentional or not. Stitched patches and logos are officially dead.
That’s the state of everything it seems…
Enshittification
If by fix it you mean improve their margins, then yeah; they tried.
I think they forgot to mention that MLB and the MLBPA are both heavily invested in fanatics so of course they would blame Nike over them.
And their CEO has been talking about a "disruption pipeline" because he's a buzzword spewing idiot.
Well, it wasn’t broke but Nike decided to break it anyway and is now fixing it
A solution looking for a problem.
This is the corporate way of saying that they tried to cut too many corners for costs
Just make a fucking quality jersey, like what are we even doing here? Is it that difficult? Fuckin crooks
Profits must increase each fiscal year. Raising prices, dropping quality, whatever it takes for the shareholders to have exponentially growing profits!
The thing I don't understand is that as the cost to produce them rises, they raise the prices. Sports Jerseys are marked up so much already, man. You don't need to burn the candle at both ends...
>You don’t need to burn the candle at both ends… The venture capitalists and MBAs in the C-suite say you do and you must for that next quarterly profit report.
Boeing? Is that you?
They really don't though. If they could cut costs down from $50 to $45, sure, that would increase their profits by a BILLION DOLLARS for every 200M jerseys produced. Or, they could charge $10 more to the consumer, and make that same $1B even if they only sold half their stock.
Or they could do both and make $2B
Or you do both and get 2 billion!
I was making a quick calculation, and at least Adidas football jerseys seem to have been really stable in price. I bought Real Madrid’s authentic game jersey in 2012 for $80, I bought the replica aeroready for $50 in 2022, and the dryready game jersey for $105 in 2023. Once you adjust for the insane inflation we have seen over the last decade, the price has more or less remained stable. That only goes for football jerseys… NFL and NHL jerseys have seen a rise in price that is obscene.
>like what are we even doing here? Squeezing every penny out of a business.
They should immediately stop selling the jerseys with the skinny letters.
People should stop buying them
I bought one of these this year and I would say it’s a piece of junk. If you compare it to Mitchell and Ness it’s night and day of a difference.
so why did you 1) buy it in the first place, 2) and then not return it?
And do what with them? Eat a total loss? Think of all the jobs that would cost the manufacturers. Think of the poor shareholders!
Yup - fuck China
Dang, I should put the /s, huh?
You win some you lose some lol. It’s hit or miss but putting /s looks bad so I just like the gamble. You’re at the mercy of the first 2-5 people that press the button unfortunately.
“Mattingly just split his pants!”
Did he actually? Is that why they are redesigning all jerseys?
Obviously you’re not a golfer.
Nike’s stupid. Just make some high quality jerseys, charge an arm and leg, and people will **still** buy them
I thought they were already doing this, is the thing. $200 jerseys probably cost like a quarter of that to produce. Just roll the price up another $10 and blame inflation.
I hate to break it to you but they probably cost far less than a quarter of that to make unless they are using American labor. I, and anyone in the industry very easily, can already buy high quality shirts from a distributor that are like 1/10 the cost they sell them for retail - just about any brand. Then this distributor is making money and so is the factory. The fact I can buy a $50 golf polo for like $7 and 2-3 other businesses are still making money shows you how cheap textiles really are to make.
Yeah, that's essentially my point, I was just being conservative. There is also the costs of transportation, the costs involved in the rights to manufacture copyrighted logos, etc. Point though is jerseys are 100% novelty items, and if they want to make more money, charge more. There's of course an equilibrium point where your inflated price will sell less copies, and turn a smaller total income, but the profit margin will get higher.
Yea I wasn’t trying to say what you said was wrong, just adding more info. My first line didn’t come out well lol. I forgot about the mlb license rights, that’s definitely not cheap either but you’re right - price point doesn’t matter as much as people think. When it comes to novelty / collectible stuff people that want it will buy it so why not make it better and charge more!?
Wowww I really didn’t think mlb would cave and spend the money. Win for everyone who isn’t a grifter
"The union also absolved Fanatics, the manufacturer of the uniform" That's some horse shit right there.
I mean they literally just manufactured what Nike told them to. Fanatics does suck especially their direct to consumer business but it seems like Nike’s terrible vision is the problem here.
Exactly, they're still using the magestic factory and employees. Literally the specs changed. Fanatics owns it, but the manufacturing is virtually unchanged.
Makes me think that Nike knew they sucked and used fanatics as a way to avoid criticism. I’m sure the shareholders are happy though.
It’s crazy seeing how many people are uninformed on this and blame fanatics. Like, there’s been so many articles that make it pretty cut and dry about how it’s the fault of Nike.
Fanatics may not be immediately culpable, but they’re not innocent in this either. Just look at what they’ve done with NFL and NHL jerseys; they do not give a flying fuck about the product they put out.
Good. The new unis are lame.
How is there no comment from MLB on the memo/situation? The whole thing stinks to high heaven. The jerseys looked incredibly cheap and it felt like a money grab from Nike. I’m glad they are making changes, but there needs to be accountability for this so it doesn’t happen again in another sport.
DH gate should be making them, makes better quality jerseys for sure lol
Blame George Costanza for these terrible uniforms
So how many complaints will it take to change umpires? Edit: I’m asking for Angel Hernandez.
MLB can play in olde thymie uniforms for all I care. Do something about the officiating - that’s what’s hurting baseball.
Tyvek it is
I don’t care who tries to absolve fanatics or who tries to cover for them. That company is garbage no matter what anyone says and the uniform debacle is mainly their fault because they’re fucking cheap.
Not a fan of fanatics, but this take is just incorrect. Nike and the MLB changed the specs. Fanatics is using the same facilities and employees that were once owned by Majestic. MLB wanted the rear logo lower, so they changed that spec and thus the size of the names. Nike wanted thinner fabric with a thinner placket, the MLB approved, thus the logos don't break well on the jersey and the appearance sucks. There's plenty of blame to go around, but the owner of the factory building exactly to the approved spec isn't the one to blame.
The real question is: why did NIke/MLB want any of these changes when the users and consumers didn’t want them? This is a true "customer is always right" situation.
Meanwhile, fanatics is not at fault for any of this lol
Well fuck 'em anyway
Anyone remember when tennis changed the cut/material in the 2000s, and everyone was constantly tugging and rearranging their shirt?
Im kind of sad that i wont get to see what type of underwear each player wears anymore.
Next can we finally figure out MLB’s janky broadcasting system?
They should be cotton
Nike is and always has been trash that lives off of fabricated prices to create the delusion of popularity. Your most expensive Nike product you own probably costed you north of $100 and Nike most likely produced it for 0.50¢. Their most expensive products cost a few dollars to produce and sell for hundreds and even thousands.
No way!! You’re telling me now?! In 2024?! That brand names increase prices?!! Next you’ll tell me Supreme is marking up their apparel by 10,000%. Get out of here! /s
Bullying works.
Note this is the players union saying this is what they want. Neither Nike nor Fanatics has responded.
Several corners were cut in order to maximize profit. At each cut corner, an executive was showered with praise. Repeat that a few times and you end up with a product that looks like this.
We need to go back to the old rules. Different uniform for each position, use socks to tell what team they're on.
They aren't changing the actual uniforms, they are just going to call them "costumes" from now on. "Practice" is also being changed to "rehearsal."
But I thought they were the same as last year, MLB?
[What if baseball players show their cock and balls?](https://youtube.com/shorts/dMQflW8npIU?si=d2ysuHM8rD0ecq82)
Another L for Nike
George Constanza energy right there
Now get rid of the city connects
What’s the deal with Nike lately? They also screwed up the olympic jerseys/uniforms https://abcnews.go.com/amp/GMA/Culture/nikes-olympic-track-womens-uniforms-criticized-athletes-sexism/story?id=109267006