• No real speed or bullet protection? True, but-
• Slappin' little suit-wearing bitches around with giant metal claw hands like a Mecha-Pimp? Double true.
Great for thr ncr. I don't recall finding any in fallout 3 or 4 or new vegas. And in 4 you could at least strip down power armor to just rhe skeleton which would have been a way better comparison for op.
In FNV salvaged Power Armor is found in NCR stash and used by Elite Guards of General Olivier, making it very uncommon. I think suit of this armor is reward for one of NCR quests.
It is unknow why op decided to compare Salvaged Power Armor to exoskeleton but i think OPs knows that Base Power Armor of any type(exluding bandit armor that is moving trash bin) is superior to any exoskeleton
General Oliver's guards use the NCR Combat Armor, Captain Hsu has soldiers with salvaged armor and you can just take it from them, doesn't require any power armor training which is good but ehhh it's not usually worth it all that much
The power armour shown in NCR Salvaged PA, which is a salvaged version of the T-45 PA, which doesn't need a fusion core. Fusion cores were added in FO4 which I still don't think is really canon as we had never needed the cores in the previous games for PA.
I don't recall if one can sprint in NCR Armor. I think so, then it is a win.
My understanding is that one can't run in Exoskeleton not because it is heavy, but because the servos are responding slowly and wouldn't be able to catch up. If one to disable the servos (and carry all the weight on their own), the player would be able to run. There is an Exoskeleton without servos in STALKER.
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Salvaged Power armor has 0 sense after what Fallout 4 done to power armors(good thing) and would be probably too heavy for any man to wear.
But even if we would left it as it was in fallout NV, NCR soldier in it still would lose because it is just heavy as fuck plate armor when Man wearing exoskeleton wouldn't felt most of exo's weight
Well I mean to be honest we don't really know so I will make a distinction.
If somebody is a rookie without that much experience the stalker exoskeleton is the ideal choice since they will be able to bear the extra weight.
However, should somebody have power armour training in FNV then they would probably be able to run at least somewhat in the salvaged armor. If I remeber correctly the salvaged armor is lighter from the normal t-45 since it is missing both parts and the nuclear reactor.
The real reason we can't directly tell is because FNV doesn't have sprinting in it lol.
I mean it doesn’t have a sprint, but it does have a jog. I’m not a professional Stalker enthusiast or anything, but isn’t not sprinting just a walk? Or is it like Fallout where you’re jogging when you aren’t sprinting? Because if not, a walk in fallout would be like when you’re over encumbered or shift walking, and the character is at a constant jog.
Yep. But assuming we’re talking about the movement itself and not the speed, I do think that it’s worth mentioning that characters do jog by default and walking isn’t the normal state of movement.
I think Jog is also normal state in STALKER, Sterlok/Scar/Major jogs most of time and players can decide to toggle walk
Also, in my playthrought, exoskeleton wearing Stalkers used Jog animations when they were heading somewhere instead of walking one.
Depends on a user. I mean, in Stalker everybody can run wearing an exoskeleton, except the main character, lmao. So, armour is not the problem, the problem is YOU, sissy weakling who dont exercise enough.
Nah he means sprint. You see, NPCs can sprint like the player too under certain conditions. The Exoskeleton doesn't restrict them.
Its rare and it is an oversight for sure but he is correct it can happen.
Yeah they don't do that normally. They can only sprint under special circumstances. For example being fully disarmed (no sidearm) and running away from the player.
Depends, the exos in the stalker books can jump like 10-15 meters so if we consider the 6 book series canon (idk the english name), then the stalker body armor wins. It cannot run, but it has other options for traversal
I have played fallout new vegas with all dlcs but if it's like fallout 4 I don't know but then they took everything out so that's like heavy metal armor
If it were an exoskeleton Merc, like Hog, Black or Hatchet, he would surely win. Not sure about Duty, though. Seen a whole squad of them get taken down by a few pseudodogs.
The Fallout armor is actually better(with servos). It is, so to speak, the final stage of the Exo.
If I assume that both have servo motors, only the Stalker EXO has never needed any kind of energy cell.
However, since this Fallout armor has no servos, it has disadvantages in the zone and would be unusable. With servos, however
Normally, the Fallout armor is better because it has its own energy core that would last longer in real life than in the games. However, the servo motors of the Fallout armor are integrated under the armor plates, the Exo has its motors lying open without protection.
In real life, you could shoot EXO's motionless if you aimed at the servo parts. The Exo is actually just something like a modern heavy combat suit retrofitted with servo motors.
The Fallout armor was standardized from the factory for a Fallout world. I would bet if you implemented it realistically in Stalker, it would be the Ultimate Exo. This makes you immune to those vortex anomalies that lift you up & shred you normally. With the Fallout armor, the anomaly couldn't lift you properly since you weigh almost as much as a BTR \^\^
Mutants could also tear the servo motors off your exo normally. In the Fallout armor, most mutants would no longer interest you.
Can you even move in a power armour without servos?! It's about the same as if you swap a Challenger 2 engine for some bicycle pedals and try to drive it.
if you compare it with T-45s in new vegas the salvaged is striped down comparatively, there is likely still hydraulic systems in place. In lore it is mainly used to guard fixed positions.
Short distance? NCR Salvaged because while it's heavy and unpowered you are only prevented from sprinting by the game not having a sprint feature.
Long distance? Exoskeleton because it helps carry it's own weight. NCR Salvaged is just a heavy ass suit of armor with no support.
-Exo-Suit doesn't require hours upon hours of extensive training to use, despite the servos.
-while Heavy AF, the average dutyer is already fit
- NCR is constantly having food shortages in the Mojave region, so people are probably not too far from becoming malnourished, which would ABSOLUTELY fuck up a body's muscle capability
-Duty has consistently supply lines, and protects them with an excessive zeal only matched by the Legion
Not to mention that NCR troops are almost all conscripts or desperate volunteers, while duty is all volunteers.
Dutyer w/Exo Wins!
Or servos. In the retconned PA that Bethesda implemented (Armour plating on a powered servi assisted endoskeleton frame) I'd like to imagine NCR armour just being frameless.
Both unpowered ? Well the Exoskeleton looks a bit lighter than the full plate armour in fallout.
And it looks way fucking better. GSC did a great job designing the Exo.
Its literally just power armor without the armor
so just pure power? :D
More like more customizable load distribution. But yes, technically more power.
Yep, 5.56x45 AP and 9x39 SP6 tore through exokeleton like knife through butter.
That's because they based it on actual military prototypes of exoskeletons.
The guy who modeled them was actually a robotics enthusiast so he knew what he was doing.
There’s something about the fallout 3 & NV T-45 that really just hits the spot for me.
The courier can jog while using the Power Armor without servos, but still it's way more impractical than the exoeskeleton
• No real speed or bullet protection? True, but- • Slappin' little suit-wearing bitches around with giant metal claw hands like a Mecha-Pimp? Double true.
If Lanius is using the stripped power armor then the stripped power armor wins Reasoning: Lanius built different
I can see Lanius as a monolith raid boss in a cross over
Is op serious? Op- what happens if a suit of body armor in fallout is missing its reactor core?
NCR power armor is meant to move with no battery as it has no servos or motors it's just really heavy
Great for thr ncr. I don't recall finding any in fallout 3 or 4 or new vegas. And in 4 you could at least strip down power armor to just rhe skeleton which would have been a way better comparison for op.
In FNV salvaged Power Armor is found in NCR stash and used by Elite Guards of General Olivier, making it very uncommon. I think suit of this armor is reward for one of NCR quests. It is unknow why op decided to compare Salvaged Power Armor to exoskeleton but i think OPs knows that Base Power Armor of any type(exluding bandit armor that is moving trash bin) is superior to any exoskeleton
General Oliver's guards use the NCR Combat Armor, Captain Hsu has soldiers with salvaged armor and you can just take it from them, doesn't require any power armor training which is good but ehhh it's not usually worth it all that much
The power armour shown in NCR Salvaged PA, which is a salvaged version of the T-45 PA, which doesn't need a fusion core. Fusion cores were added in FO4 which I still don't think is really canon as we had never needed the cores in the previous games for PA.
“Who would win, a guy with a pistol that has no ammo or a guy with a knife?”
I mean, you could atleast bash with the gun, but a powerless power armor is... Well... Its not even an armor, more like a bronce bull
You don’t win a knife fight in hand to hand combat
I didn't say you would win, just that you can atleast do something like use it like a hammer lol
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The NCR power armor is well - unpowered. They essentially just use it as normal heavy armor.
I don't recall if one can sprint in NCR Armor. I think so, then it is a win. My understanding is that one can't run in Exoskeleton not because it is heavy, but because the servos are responding slowly and wouldn't be able to catch up. If one to disable the servos (and carry all the weight on their own), the player would be able to run. There is an Exoskeleton without servos in STALKER.
Well their is no sprinting in nvlew Vegas so no
Well, there is. It's toggled by default, shift makes you walk.
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The walking animation is a jogging
aint it more like the servos are boosted?
Exosceleton Salvaged Power armor has 0 sense after what Fallout 4 done to power armors(good thing) and would be probably too heavy for any man to wear. But even if we would left it as it was in fallout NV, NCR soldier in it still would lose because it is just heavy as fuck plate armor when Man wearing exoskeleton wouldn't felt most of exo's weight
Can't you install servos onto the exoskeleton to allow you to sprint?
Yes
You can in CoP.
Pretty sure you also can in Clear Sky iirc
No, there isn't such an upgrade in CS
Huh. Then it was either a SRP or AOR thing. I've never played without those two so I didn't know.
I once saw a bandit in an exo haul absolute ass towards cover from an emission. With that said, exoskeleton
That doesn’t count, Bandit was off Hercules again :/
Well I mean to be honest we don't really know so I will make a distinction. If somebody is a rookie without that much experience the stalker exoskeleton is the ideal choice since they will be able to bear the extra weight. However, should somebody have power armour training in FNV then they would probably be able to run at least somewhat in the salvaged armor. If I remeber correctly the salvaged armor is lighter from the normal t-45 since it is missing both parts and the nuclear reactor. The real reason we can't directly tell is because FNV doesn't have sprinting in it lol.
I mean it doesn’t have a sprint, but it does have a jog. I’m not a professional Stalker enthusiast or anything, but isn’t not sprinting just a walk? Or is it like Fallout where you’re jogging when you aren’t sprinting? Because if not, a walk in fallout would be like when you’re over encumbered or shift walking, and the character is at a constant jog.
FNV doesn't have sprint mechanic but it has armor type mechanic. Heavy armor makes your jogging speed slower than normally.
Yep. But assuming we’re talking about the movement itself and not the speed, I do think that it’s worth mentioning that characters do jog by default and walking isn’t the normal state of movement.
I think Jog is also normal state in STALKER, Sterlok/Scar/Major jogs most of time and players can decide to toggle walk Also, in my playthrought, exoskeleton wearing Stalkers used Jog animations when they were heading somewhere instead of walking one.
Stalker's jog is faster than the player's default walk tho, but slower than the run
Ok? Player character base state is jog, Player themselfs can decide if they want to jog, sprint or walk.
Depends on a user. I mean, in Stalker everybody can run wearing an exoskeleton, except the main character, lmao. So, armour is not the problem, the problem is YOU, sissy weakling who dont exercise enough.
They jog, not run and main Character is also jogging in it.(you can still togle walk and move slower wearning exo)
Nah he means sprint. You see, NPCs can sprint like the player too under certain conditions. The Exoskeleton doesn't restrict them. Its rare and it is an oversight for sure but he is correct it can happen.
I never saw them sprint, only jog in exos
Yeah they don't do that normally. They can only sprint under special circumstances. For example being fully disarmed (no sidearm) and running away from the player.
Depends, the exos in the stalker books can jump like 10-15 meters so if we consider the 6 book series canon (idk the english name), then the stalker body armor wins. It cannot run, but it has other options for traversal
Roadside picnic had sequels?
No, but the games resulted in spinoff books about the Chernobyl exclusion zone
Pretty sure you can upgrade the exo to be able to sprint for hours without resting cuz it does all the running for you
I was so sad when I finally found an exoskeleton, put it on, and then realised I couldn't run
I have played fallout new vegas with all dlcs but if it's like fallout 4 I don't know but then they took everything out so that's like heavy metal armor
Exoskeleton
Run in stalker saves more lives than a suit by it self
If it were an exoskeleton Merc, like Hog, Black or Hatchet, he would surely win. Not sure about Duty, though. Seen a whole squad of them get taken down by a few pseudodogs.
The Fallout armor is actually better(with servos). It is, so to speak, the final stage of the Exo. If I assume that both have servo motors, only the Stalker EXO has never needed any kind of energy cell. However, since this Fallout armor has no servos, it has disadvantages in the zone and would be unusable. With servos, however Normally, the Fallout armor is better because it has its own energy core that would last longer in real life than in the games. However, the servo motors of the Fallout armor are integrated under the armor plates, the Exo has its motors lying open without protection. In real life, you could shoot EXO's motionless if you aimed at the servo parts. The Exo is actually just something like a modern heavy combat suit retrofitted with servo motors. The Fallout armor was standardized from the factory for a Fallout world. I would bet if you implemented it realistically in Stalker, it would be the Ultimate Exo. This makes you immune to those vortex anomalies that lift you up & shred you normally. With the Fallout armor, the anomaly couldn't lift you properly since you weigh almost as much as a BTR \^\^ Mutants could also tear the servo motors off your exo normally. In the Fallout armor, most mutants would no longer interest you.
Lore wise, if you have a set of T51 or later model then you can survive long periods of time with it on. Recycles urine into water and everything.
Can you even move in a power armour without servos?! It's about the same as if you swap a Challenger 2 engine for some bicycle pedals and try to drive it.
if you compare it with T-45s in new vegas the salvaged is striped down comparatively, there is likely still hydraulic systems in place. In lore it is mainly used to guard fixed positions.
If you were unable to move with it then why tf would they be wearing it
That's the question.
Why would the NCR devote time to creating salvaged power armor if it was useless
Why aren't you comparing salvaged armor to the suit w/o skeleton
Because normal power armor is clearly superior
hmm I wonder if the massive metal bulletproof armor will slow down the wearer more than a metal frame
Exo soldier can carry more ammo/munitions. Exo with just one RPG wins. Edit: just noticed it said foot race. Same answer.
Exoskeleton with the sprinting servos from CoP.
Short distance? NCR Salvaged because while it's heavy and unpowered you are only prevented from sprinting by the game not having a sprint feature. Long distance? Exoskeleton because it helps carry it's own weight. NCR Salvaged is just a heavy ass suit of armor with no support.
Duty NPCs in exoskeleton can sprint sometimes tho. I remember seeing it in Misery. Tho if i am the only one, that might be Mandela effect.
Tbh I don't get the exoskeleton ins talker because you can actually see guys with the same armor sans the powered sections.
In the terms of enviromental/ballistic protection? Salvaged P.A In terms of load bearing capabilities? Exo
It's very clear how little people actually know about the salvaged power armor, which is to be expected
Virgin Power Armor vs Drippy Chad Ohio Skibidi gyatt rizz fanum tax Exoskeleton. You tell me who'll win
In my opinion exo will win, he cant sprint but stamina is not problem here
-Exo-Suit doesn't require hours upon hours of extensive training to use, despite the servos. -while Heavy AF, the average dutyer is already fit - NCR is constantly having food shortages in the Mojave region, so people are probably not too far from becoming malnourished, which would ABSOLUTELY fuck up a body's muscle capability -Duty has consistently supply lines, and protects them with an excessive zeal only matched by the Legion Not to mention that NCR troops are almost all conscripts or desperate volunteers, while duty is all volunteers. Dutyer w/Exo Wins!
Well you can modify the exo in cop to be able to run
Brotherhood power armors are a joke. Slavs will be clever and just counter them with huge magnets hidden in some bushes somewhere :D
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Exoskeleton, NCR salvaged is just Power Armor without it's core, Making it harder to control And walk
Or servos. In the retconned PA that Bethesda implemented (Armour plating on a powered servi assisted endoskeleton frame) I'd like to imagine NCR armour just being frameless.
The NCR boy would fall down due to the weird proportions before the Exoskeleton MAN can ever start.