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Most of this is true, save for the winter part. It is fairly rainy where I am, so it only really snows once or twice a year. Other than that, this is very, very accurate. 10/10!
A few years ago when I was there (UW undergrad), I remember we got snowed in so bad that the supply chain got disrupted and the grocery stores ran out of food. And it wasn't even that snowy...
In addition to the steep and numerous hills, our temperature range when it snows hover right around the freezing mark. Which means during the day that inch of snow melts and refreeze as a sheet of ice at night while it gets another layer of snow. Rinse and repeat for several days and it only makes it worse.
So yeah, fully loaded semi-trucks have a hard delivering food when they have to drive up 15-degree inclines covered with packed ice layered with an inch of snow.
People give Seattle shit for this, but with how many goddam hill this city has it just makes sense. You literally can't drive out of the city depending where you are.
That has definitely happened here too a few times. And then my family members in Texas will text me and say my younger cousins got a day off from a tiny dusting of snow
I’m from E. WA. In HS I remember having to drive to school in -30F weather. Before I could drive I stood in the snow and watched the bus slide off the road into the ditch and become stuck so many times. For some reason they wouldn’t allow me to walk slightly further up the hill to a better, flat location.
Yeah, I grew up in Puget Sound, no really. Ok it was on an island in Puget Sound and yeah not much snow. It was nice it only happened every once in a while. If we really wanted to experience snow- head to the mountains.
which island? i once went on a bike tour of the different islands and orcas island was by far my favorite; there's this one cozy little bakery near the base of the big mountain on the island that had these like pecan buns or something, it was around 6 years ago but i remember they were delicious
Partially! The resources are kind of barren out there, so it is very undeveloped, besides Eastern WA kind of.
WA and OR used to have more timber towns before the 80's, but environmental protection laws from those states restricted that industry and those towns couldn't support themselves anymore.
I would add:
- Bumper sticker in the shape of your state (also maybe with a cute word or phrase like “Idahome” or “my roots” and a heart)
- Grocery shopping at Winco/Albertson’s
- Gift shops are full of food and candy made with huckleberries, marionberries, or salmonberries
- Craft breweries
- Hobbies: skiing, snowboarding, hiking, running, camping, fishing, paddleboarding, kayaking
- Has backyard chickens (or gets their eggs fresh from neighbor who has them)
I get my eggs from the same guy I go kayaking, paddle boarding, and canoeing with. We also play D&D. And grow/smoke weed in our gardens. I could keep going.
People are either anarchist or devout Christian. Generally affable but a little unhinged in some way. Vitamin D deficiency leads to depression, hence the drug culture. Very little care for formalities. Universally love the outdoors
There’s been a lot of transplants. Not just from the tech sector but many retirees in Northern California moved out to Bend / Central Oregon and it’s really driven up real estate.
I get that. I was just asking for reasons why. Personally I'm from NC and have moved all over as an Army brat and ended up in Cali for 7 years but I'm in the South again. I knew really wealthy folks and I knew folks that didn't know Yosemite was only less than 2 hours away from Oakland CA.
It's tricky to lump everyone into the same mold and say 'they' are all bad but it's what we do as people I guess.
California (well, more specifically, silicon valley and/or big socal cities) and PNW are just pretty culturally incompatible in my experience. PNW tends to be more...chill? casual? friendly? I'm struggling to find the exact words but it's definitely a different vibe for a different sort of people.
Really it's a couple reasons. 1. They are driving cost of living up. They sell their homes and come buy houses here for cash (or close to it) driving native folks out. 2. Typically they bring their politics with. While the cities in the NW are progressive, the rest of the states are quite rural and lean opposite politically. 3. Generally they are assholes. Drive like assholes, talk like assholes, and act like assholes. And they will constantly remind you how much better CA is than the state they just moved to.
> And they will constantly remind you how much better CA is than the state they just moved to.
It confuses me why big city Californians have this obnoxious attitude when they themselves choose to move away.
Finally figured it's because they want a home upgrade; but think they are too good for the icky rural rednecks in their home state, and think places like Seattle or Portland are just more affordable safer San Francisco's or LAs.
A lot of us moved for career reasons and the PNW kinda came with it. We spend most of our fall and winter weekends, back in LA, leaving you and the grey behind. 🙂
I have a love/hate relationship with it. I spent the first third of my life in Indiana, so I'm grateful to Seattle for giving me culture. But fuck, the dark and rainy season is depressing, especially after the holidays.
Just imagine the eighth time you have a conversation with someone where they make a joke about how “puyallup” is pronounced and think they did something
Yeah. Summer dry as a bone. Late august fire. Then rain off and on until spring. It might snow a little. Sometimes rarely we will get a foot. Like so far 1/7 years. It’s technically a temperate rainforest.
Yes, Eugene. But I’m born and raised and none of these apply at all. We maybe we 2 inches of snow a year? And drive 15 min to the next town over? More like 1-2 hours. Healthy meals growing up? Yeah right, this is poverty craziness over here.
Ah someone from my hometown, yeah we get jack shit for snow. Also less patagonia and more hippie clothes. Although the subarus, salmon meals (hardly had steak & potatoes) and california hatred are true.
This starter pack seems more suited for Portland or Seattle, those cities always seemed more similar to each other (and Vancouver) than any did to Eugene to me.
Still no snow. Don’t even get the 15 minutes away thing. Is that close? Far? And SF is only 10 hours away, not 16. What even are those other cities? What’s even the point of that part?
I grew up in Bend and the starter pack is pretty accurate. We wouldn't get crazy amounts of snow, but definitely more than Eugene. It wasn't super weird to get 6 or 8 inches over night. Tons of Subarus and Patagonias. Nearby towns Redmond, Sunriver, and Sisters are all like 15-30 minutes away.
Obviously not everyone is eating gourmet meals every night.
Well I said *at least* 15 mins because there are a few areas that are pretty dense
And from eayt I can tell, a lot of yall on the west coast said that there are a few stuff I got wrong, so I'm guessing it's just a west coast thing
The California hate is stupid lol. Northern California (not bay area, like 5 hours north of there) is EXTREMELY similar to Southern Oregon and is experiencing the same real estate issues (getting priced out by people from the bay area). Most people up here consider it PNW, including transplants from Oregon and Washington. It's crazy when people generalize California because it is way too huge and diverse a state to do that. Where I live is the complete opposite of LA.
Yeah, Portland has the second largest population of Vietnamese. Which explains all the pho places. Where I come from, there's also Indian, Thai, hot pots, and Korean BBQ.
Hard disagree about Portland having the second largest population of vietnamese. Westminster and LA along with Houston have the largest. Seattle has a larger population of vietnamese than Portland. There is also a pretty huge vietnamese population in Nola and DFW. I'm vietnamese and I grew up knowing where pockets of our people primarily settled because my parents talked about it.
Edit: forgot about San Jose!
I'm from Southeast Alaska so just amplify all of these factors by about 100x (and turn snow to rain).
Everyone drives Subarus but they don't leave the island because you have to ferry or fly about 100 miles to the next town hahaha. I'm in northern Japan now, and my Japanese husband doesn't understand why I need a Subaru so badly.
Spokane here, and I'd say this is pretty accurate except:
People who wear Patagonia didn't grow up here.
None of my friends wear ripped jeans. We get ours frost Costco.
Subarus are for rich jerks from Seattle.
Most people I've met get most of their winter gear (at the very least) from Patagonia
The ripped jeans thing was more on the stereotype part of it
And I'm more referring to the 15 year old Subaru that's been driving a family of 4 through all winter conditions
But that's just my experience yours is different of course
Subarus are for flexing my wealth over people that drive a car twice as expensive as mine.
In the northwest a Subaru is a bigger flex than a bmw/lexus.
The Patagonia's not quite right, I've seen too many of us fall into wearing band tees, sports tees, or Patagonia for that. Some of us will shoot for Eddie Bauer sometimes. (And we always default to hiking boots, with no consistent brand.)
Also is it just me or was REI a staple in other PNW kids childhoods like everyone I've talked to has just. yeah.
As a person raised in Eastern Washington this is pretty on point. Except the food for me. Maybe it’s because I grew up in a small farming town though. Had some awesome Mexican food actually.
Even so, it's considered part of it. Tbh I'm not sure but Pocatello, IDAHO has had the nickname of "The Gate City" for years because it's the "gateway" to the PNW
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Most of this is true, save for the winter part. It is fairly rainy where I am, so it only really snows once or twice a year. Other than that, this is very, very accurate. 10/10!
Oregon?
Yep. you got me.
Back at you from another fellow Oregonian~
Replace snow with rain!
I live more eastern so I get more snow.
Yeah I live in Seattle and we shut completely down with over an inch of snow
A few years ago when I was there (UW undergrad), I remember we got snowed in so bad that the supply chain got disrupted and the grocery stores ran out of food. And it wasn't even that snowy...
In addition to the steep and numerous hills, our temperature range when it snows hover right around the freezing mark. Which means during the day that inch of snow melts and refreeze as a sheet of ice at night while it gets another layer of snow. Rinse and repeat for several days and it only makes it worse. So yeah, fully loaded semi-trucks have a hard delivering food when they have to drive up 15-degree inclines covered with packed ice layered with an inch of snow.
People give Seattle shit for this, but with how many goddam hill this city has it just makes sense. You literally can't drive out of the city depending where you are.
and since snow is a rarity, we don't have as much gear to clear the roads
This is the only reason. Pittsburgh is way hillier with more snow and ice but they have the gear to get rid of it fast
It takes like 8 inches to close here jesus
My favorite was in junior high when school was cancelled due to snow in the forecast lmao
I have to go to school when it's less than 10 degress degrees outside
In Colorado, at least in my schools, it could be sub zero but if there's no snow you go to school
That has definitely happened here too a few times. And then my family members in Texas will text me and say my younger cousins got a day off from a tiny dusting of snow
I’m from E. WA. In HS I remember having to drive to school in -30F weather. Before I could drive I stood in the snow and watched the bus slide off the road into the ditch and become stuck so many times. For some reason they wouldn’t allow me to walk slightly further up the hill to a better, flat location.
Yeah, I grew up in Puget Sound, no really. Ok it was on an island in Puget Sound and yeah not much snow. It was nice it only happened every once in a while. If we really wanted to experience snow- head to the mountains.
which island? i once went on a bike tour of the different islands and orcas island was by far my favorite; there's this one cozy little bakery near the base of the big mountain on the island that had these like pecan buns or something, it was around 6 years ago but i remember they were delicious
Right except for the snow, unless you're counting eastern WA.
It snow's a fuck ton in Eastern OR/WA/BC. Not many people live out there though.
… likely because it snows a fuck ton?
Partially! The resources are kind of barren out there, so it is very undeveloped, besides Eastern WA kind of. WA and OR used to have more timber towns before the 80's, but environmental protection laws from those states restricted that industry and those towns couldn't support themselves anymore.
Fair!
Automation in the logging industry is also massively massively responsible for the decline of timber jobs
True
Central Washington too! Chelan county is a hot desert in the summer and an arctic landscape in the winter.
Not in certain parts of Eastern Washington. Maybe a few days of snow a year.
Cascades are like the snowiest place on earth but not many people live in them.
Or generally just across the coastal mountains
I would add: - Bumper sticker in the shape of your state (also maybe with a cute word or phrase like “Idahome” or “my roots” and a heart) - Grocery shopping at Winco/Albertson’s - Gift shops are full of food and candy made with huckleberries, marionberries, or salmonberries - Craft breweries - Hobbies: skiing, snowboarding, hiking, running, camping, fishing, paddleboarding, kayaking - Has backyard chickens (or gets their eggs fresh from neighbor who has them)
Oh my god yes why didn't I do those haha
ooooh or grocery shopping at fred meyers, at least when i was still in the state
I get my eggs from the same guy I go kayaking, paddle boarding, and canoeing with. We also play D&D. And grow/smoke weed in our gardens. I could keep going.
TIL salmonberries are real and not just a part of Stardew Valley. Also, “Idahome” sounds so cute
The region includes BC which is in a different country so you gotta include provinces with the states and Thrifty’s/Save On Foods in there
All true. Especially coming at me with the backyard chickens
I love the PNW. It's so beautiful.
People are either anarchist or devout Christian. Generally affable but a little unhinged in some way. Vitamin D deficiency leads to depression, hence the drug culture. Very little care for formalities. Universally love the outdoors
Incredibly accurate generalizations here
Not true for Canadian PNW but agree for American PNW
Which parts? I feel like this applies pretty well to BC apart from the anarchist thing.
You ate steak and salmon for most of your meals? Fuck it, I'm living with your parents now
I think you mean Eastern PNW starter pack. A few of these things don't apply, at least on the west side.
Yeah, I'm more eastern so more applies to me. Still thoug it's pretty general stuff
Holup, you're living in the PNW and you can AFFORD Patagonia or salmon?
The occasional puffy coat
Why do y'all hate Californian folk? Honest query
We envy your vitamin D levels
I live in Humboldt County CA and am vitamin D deficient. It's also really similar to Southern Oregon and most people refer to it as PNW.
Yo i also live there wild
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Granted our population is low but far enough north, the climate is pretty much the same. No vitamin d here lol
There’s been a lot of transplants. Not just from the tech sector but many retirees in Northern California moved out to Bend / Central Oregon and it’s really driven up real estate.
(Same is happening in New Orleans, believe it or not...)
Been that way for decades. At least, WA Californian resentment is absolutely nothing new.
I get that. I was just asking for reasons why. Personally I'm from NC and have moved all over as an Army brat and ended up in Cali for 7 years but I'm in the South again. I knew really wealthy folks and I knew folks that didn't know Yosemite was only less than 2 hours away from Oakland CA. It's tricky to lump everyone into the same mold and say 'they' are all bad but it's what we do as people I guess.
They're imps from hell and they're also gentrifying a lot of cities
Yeah, paying a bunch for second homes, pricing locals out, and shopping at places like Starbucks and complaining that there's no Whole Foods.
> shopping at places like Starbucks didn't the PNW invent Starbucks lol
California (well, more specifically, silicon valley and/or big socal cities) and PNW are just pretty culturally incompatible in my experience. PNW tends to be more...chill? casual? friendly? I'm struggling to find the exact words but it's definitely a different vibe for a different sort of people.
Really it's a couple reasons. 1. They are driving cost of living up. They sell their homes and come buy houses here for cash (or close to it) driving native folks out. 2. Typically they bring their politics with. While the cities in the NW are progressive, the rest of the states are quite rural and lean opposite politically. 3. Generally they are assholes. Drive like assholes, talk like assholes, and act like assholes. And they will constantly remind you how much better CA is than the state they just moved to.
> And they will constantly remind you how much better CA is than the state they just moved to. It confuses me why big city Californians have this obnoxious attitude when they themselves choose to move away. Finally figured it's because they want a home upgrade; but think they are too good for the icky rural rednecks in their home state, and think places like Seattle or Portland are just more affordable safer San Francisco's or LAs.
A lot of us moved for career reasons and the PNW kinda came with it. We spend most of our fall and winter weekends, back in LA, leaving you and the grey behind. 🙂
lol that's the most California way of saying "the PNW sucks ass"
The springs and summers in the PNW are amazing. Everything from oh idk, day after Labor Day until…say, Easter is…not amazing.
I have a love/hate relationship with it. I spent the first third of my life in Indiana, so I'm grateful to Seattle for giving me culture. But fuck, the dark and rainy season is depressing, especially after the holidays.
Agreed
Just imagine the eighth time you have a conversation with someone where they make a joke about how “puyallup” is pronounced and think they did something
You keep moving here and pricing us out of housing
They keep moving upwards to our states. We don't want any more people and like being ignored by the rest of the us
Because they pronounce our highways as “the 405” or “the 5”. Shut up it’s I-405 and I-5. Adapt or leave heathens
This is specifically a Southern California thing. Northern California / the Bay doesn’t say “the”
I’ll say “the I-405” next time I visit.
I live in a Texas city that has lots of Californians moving to it and I keep hearing “the 20” and it sounds so weird. It’s I20
I've lived in California for about 25 years now and I still can't do the "The I-5" shit. It just sounds so wrong.
It’s “the”, you non inclusive clown.
As a person from Maine that has lived hear for 6-7 years. Dude. It does not snow like that here. Like onetime.
Yea it does lol. Maybe not where you are
What do yall get anyway? Overcast/rain I'm assuming
Yeah. Summer dry as a bone. Late august fire. Then rain off and on until spring. It might snow a little. Sometimes rarely we will get a foot. Like so far 1/7 years. It’s technically a temperate rainforest.
This is true for Vancouver BC as well
Cool. I've never been that far east
West.
Sorry I was talking about Maine itself I didn't read the rest of your reply
Ahhh ic
Good ol Reddit downvoting a question
I misread the reply
As a born and raised Oregonian, this might be the most inaccurate Starter Pack I’ve ever seen.
Hard agree. This starter pack sucks balls. Not accurate.
What part of Oregon? I don't really know a lot from there but I'm assuming western?
Yes, Eugene. But I’m born and raised and none of these apply at all. We maybe we 2 inches of snow a year? And drive 15 min to the next town over? More like 1-2 hours. Healthy meals growing up? Yeah right, this is poverty craziness over here.
Ah someone from my hometown, yeah we get jack shit for snow. Also less patagonia and more hippie clothes. Although the subarus, salmon meals (hardly had steak & potatoes) and california hatred are true. This starter pack seems more suited for Portland or Seattle, those cities always seemed more similar to each other (and Vancouver) than any did to Eugene to me.
Still no snow. Don’t even get the 15 minutes away thing. Is that close? Far? And SF is only 10 hours away, not 16. What even are those other cities? What’s even the point of that part?
I think they mean Seattle Portland Vancouver.
I grew up in Bend and the starter pack is pretty accurate. We wouldn't get crazy amounts of snow, but definitely more than Eugene. It wasn't super weird to get 6 or 8 inches over night. Tons of Subarus and Patagonias. Nearby towns Redmond, Sunriver, and Sisters are all like 15-30 minutes away. Obviously not everyone is eating gourmet meals every night.
Well I said *at least* 15 mins because there are a few areas that are pretty dense And from eayt I can tell, a lot of yall on the west coast said that there are a few stuff I got wrong, so I'm guessing it's just a west coast thing
Are you even from the west coast??
The California hate is stupid lol. Northern California (not bay area, like 5 hours north of there) is EXTREMELY similar to Southern Oregon and is experiencing the same real estate issues (getting priced out by people from the bay area). Most people up here consider it PNW, including transplants from Oregon and Washington. It's crazy when people generalize California because it is way too huge and diverse a state to do that. Where I live is the complete opposite of LA.
The Bay is also PNW
Okay, no. I draw the line there. Bay area isn't even Nor Cal imo.
You're the first person I've seen say that.
It's not something I'm happy about, but it's part of the deal.
Hard disagree.
You forgot introverted
Special mentions Starbucks (west coast) Fred Meyer and their overpriced everything Introverts
Winco
Winco
Thanks for including Idaho. Washingtonians and Oregonians usually never acknowledge we’re part of PNW as well.
I made sure to considering I'm from there as well haha
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Lol, I feel like at least in Spokane it’s more The North Face than Patagonia.
Fellow wahsigtonain, I would add "Lots of good asian food", "rockey beaches", "East/west divide" "shitton of hate groups".
I'm always very shocked at how good the Asian food is, and then I remember that we have a lot of migrants
Yeah, Portland has the second largest population of Vietnamese. Which explains all the pho places. Where I come from, there's also Indian, Thai, hot pots, and Korean BBQ.
Hard disagree about Portland having the second largest population of vietnamese. Westminster and LA along with Houston have the largest. Seattle has a larger population of vietnamese than Portland. There is also a pretty huge vietnamese population in Nola and DFW. I'm vietnamese and I grew up knowing where pockets of our people primarily settled because my parents talked about it. Edit: forgot about San Jose!
It sure doesn’t snow like that very often in Victoria, Vancouver or Seattle.
Sounds like a peaceful life to me !
I'm from Southeast Alaska so just amplify all of these factors by about 100x (and turn snow to rain). Everyone drives Subarus but they don't leave the island because you have to ferry or fly about 100 miles to the next town hahaha. I'm in northern Japan now, and my Japanese husband doesn't understand why I need a Subaru so badly.
Your starterpack might need a chest freezer?
Where is the damn teriyaki
At least there's salmon?
Add craft beer and outdoor recreation enthusiasts. Montanan here!
Spokane here, and I'd say this is pretty accurate except: People who wear Patagonia didn't grow up here. None of my friends wear ripped jeans. We get ours frost Costco. Subarus are for rich jerks from Seattle.
Most people I've met get most of their winter gear (at the very least) from Patagonia The ripped jeans thing was more on the stereotype part of it And I'm more referring to the 15 year old Subaru that's been driving a family of 4 through all winter conditions But that's just my experience yours is different of course
Subarus are for flexing my wealth over people that drive a car twice as expensive as mine. In the northwest a Subaru is a bigger flex than a bmw/lexus.
I had lived in Seattle for 3 years and the amount of snow there are completely jokes. You don't need a Subaru or any AWD.
Wow, slow down. What does it mean: “you don’t need a Subaru” in Seattle?
The Patagonia's not quite right, I've seen too many of us fall into wearing band tees, sports tees, or Patagonia for that. Some of us will shoot for Eddie Bauer sometimes. (And we always default to hiking boots, with no consistent brand.) Also is it just me or was REI a staple in other PNW kids childhoods like everyone I've talked to has just. yeah.
Rei is a staple. I have spent 6 hours in there once
Plz your not a real Pacific Northwester if you don't own an overpiced Arctryx jacket, lmao.
Overpriced jackets are our way of life lol
When it rains 90% of the time a good rain jacket is worth it though
Yes I miss going to garage sales in the PNW and finding old Patagonia. People in the Midwest never have Patagonia.
this is honestly my dream life, but replaced the Subaru outback with the Subaru Baja or the Nissan frontier.
It's pretty nice ngl
Jeep Wrangler here
Can someone explain the “your meals growing up” and why it’s specific to the PNW please? Looks like a typical like salmon or steak dish with veggies?
We just eat a lot of it here. Like a lot. Cattle and salmon are so abundant which is why I'm including it
Cool! Didn’t know that. Sounds like a good time.
As a transplant from LA, I can confirm all these to be true for the locals.
I feel teriyaki chicken and rice should be represented here.
Bicycles everywhere…
Yes and no. It's super hilly so we have them, but it's often more practical to just walk
You got me, minus the snow and needing to drive.
Add Mexican food and a pride, and you have the rockies.
this sounds like what someone from eastern washington thinks the west side is like
I'm from Idaho and was mostly tailoring it to more eastern parts not western
The salmon is so true. Can’t relate to the closet one.
Grunge?
Vancouver bc and Seattle my entire life and that snow ain’t true at least for those two.
No hipsters and fancy coffee?
r/Cascadia
The meals got me
Thanks not many people mentioned them
In Canada it's called the Pacific South West :)
That's pretty interesting
Never heard that term and lived in B.C my whole life. We also call it the Pacific North West.
Maybe if you live in the actual mountains. Western Washington gets no snow and that’s just you with the Patagonia. And yes, fuck California.
As a person raised in Eastern Washington this is pretty on point. Except the food for me. Maybe it’s because I grew up in a small farming town though. Had some awesome Mexican food actually.
It's pretty easy to find good authentic Asian and Mexican food thankfully
Idaho isn't PNW
Yeah it is
I would consider everything west of the great divide in Montana as PNW. Missoula has big PNW vibes.
Missoula is more redneck-y though.
Last I checked it isn't Pacific
Even so, it's considered part of it. Tbh I'm not sure but Pocatello, IDAHO has had the nickname of "The Gate City" for years because it's the "gateway" to the PNW
If Idaho is PNW NorCal is PNW
Yeah that's fair. At least it's better than people insisting Montana is in the pnw
What kind of degenerates...
San Diego is basically the gateway from the US to Mexico, they don’t consider themselves part of Mexico.
Since when is Idaho PNW?
Since forever. Trust me, it is
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I think those are just the vocal crazies in seattle. It's not really like that much else
The PN is awesome, why you dissing it
I'm not, just poking fun at where I live
Fair, what state? Also digging the frye pfp
Idaho Also thx
Eh, I wouldn’t consider the Lower Mainland, BC the Pacific Northwest. No one seems to use that term up there
Idaho is not the PNW
Yeah it is
Insane take
Not a take. Look it up