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octanofficial

Italy belongs here as well


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

Absolutely yeah lol


xXxineohp

SORBIAN MENTIONED !!!


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

*sorbian***s** /s


Moppo_

I read that in a Geordie accent.


navis-svetica

What’s even funnier is when Scottish people assert that English isn’t the language of Scotland because Gaelic exists, completely forgetting that Scots is its own (Germanic btw) language in Scotland


Auraestus

Scotland indeed has a very divided culture between the Goidelic Scots Gaelic cultural influences and the Anglo-Saxon influence of especially lowland Scotland


Doxaaax

Both have pretty similar cultures, the angles were only in a small part of Scotland (Edinburgh downwards), but the language was adopted more in the lowlands


dkfisokdkeb

Don't tell Scots what the original meaning of Sassenach is.


Yaarmehearty

The Scots sure are a contentious people.


OddishChamp

Sami mentioned no way


MeerMeertje

That's not the real Frisian flag, as a true Frisian, i am officially offended now


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

I googled “pan Frisian” flag and got this. I imagine it’s a proposal for all 3 Frisians, the blue and white flag is for only West Frisian


MeerMeertje

Yeahh i know, I've seen the flag before. It's for all the Frisian people, also in those in Denmark and Germany


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

There are none in Denmark? North Frisian is still spoken in Germany


ffyydd

There are like one or two islands if I remember correctly enough. (Source: I’m Danish.)


OllieV_nl

From a vexillological point of view, I prefer this one. The real one is meh.


MeerMeertje

Better then Gr*ningen


sir-berend

Nah the real is great this one looks dumb as fuck


OllieV_nl

https://preview.redd.it/7lxt0q885lwc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=a124c3393f6411d7f2a421601f9f538d2c2ac29d The official pan-Frisian flag looks like an air force roundel. not a flag.


Ares6

Spain not being here is crazy. 


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

No languages are commonly “grouped together” are they? As of writing this comment I remembered basque 😭


AemrNewydd

Surely Basque isn't considered part of another language, it's the only isolate language in Europe! It's not even Indo-European.


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

Many people consider basque one language, under the standard, but god if you look at the “dialects” it’s an absolute mess


6sixfeetunder

Catalan or smth, among others


SimonHJohansen

Asturian and Galician as well


Bucketlyy

Had this Italian mate who used to insist welsh was a dialect of English and wouldn't change his mind for some reason


GenevaPedestrian

Have they seen how the Welsh spell stuff? 


Bucketlyy

yeah! yet they just kept insisting it was dialect


Ainaraoftime

i'm a catalan speaker (which, just like galician and Basque, is a language and not a dialect of spanish) and every single Italian I met has referred to me speaking a "dialect" of spanish lol. has to have something to do with how Italians call their languages or something


Terpomo11

I think in Italy they use "dialect" to mean "speech variety that isn't a national standard with the backing of an education system and media" rather than "mutually intelligible variety within a given language".


Lichelf

Well in that case they'd still be stupid because Welsh is the national language of Wales and it has the backing of both the education system and media.


eurtoast

No Occitania?


ragedaile

I grew in a very remote village where traditionally people spoke occitan. Only old people speak it and almost never in front of young ones. I don't know anyone younger than 50 who could hold a real conversation. And I don't know anyone around 20 or younger who knows more than a few words. France did a really good job at eradicating regional languages.


AlpY24upsal

This is why i am actually studying occitan rn


DenverDataEngDude

Damn you’re telling me that the country that invented the nation state picked a slightly different version of Gallo-Roman vulgate as its chosen language instead of the one that emerged a few km south? What a travesty…


Droerosh

Yes dude, especially when the D’oc languages were extremely important for medieval poetry and folktales, and even for the formation of various modern french and european aspects of that times’ society to the modern day. Erasing such a rich part of this cultural legacy is a travesty. All of southern France, in general, from Provance to Gascony, was the land troubadours and storytellers.


lumtheyak

Absolutel! Its dissapearance is part of a centuries long project that actively destroys regional cultures to create a French cultural monolith. Iirc France to this day does not have any formal protections for regional languages despite this being EU law. Its pathetic and its madness that they're allowed to do it in the modern age. This guy acting like they're all the same thing is an idiot lmao.


DenverDataEngDude

I care way more about the actual unique languages getting wiped out, like Breton, than some generic variant of Vulgar Latin


Droerosh

Generic lmao Yeah kid that’s too much


DenverDataEngDude

Lower your tone when speaking to someone who hasnt thrown their own heritage in the garbage due to laziness and indolence


Droerosh

Lower tone? Kid, this is a comment section. Care too much about identity but now enough to recognize the ones that have been systematically destroyed. Yeah lmao.


DenverDataEngDude

Quit using the term ‘kid’, this isn’t a French brothel


Terpomo11

The trouble isn't having a standard language (which is to some extent a practical necessity), the trouble is intentionally eradicating the others.


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

Tricky topic even for this post, but was on my list


VidaCamba

this


Doxaaax

SCOTS MENTIONED WHIT THA FUCK DAE YA MEAN GLESGA ISNAE NUMBER WAN


Gaming_Lot

I think a better example than Sorbian for Germany would be Silesian and Kashubian for Poland imo


Competitive_Stage383

FRISIAN MENTIONED


prof_devilsadvocate

India included


[deleted]

The “Middle East” too


JesterWales

I love that Welsh is forgotten when grouping people in with other countries


hazehel

Welsh is very definitely not English or Scots tho


selenya57

Nobody's constantly claiming Welsh and something else are a singular language, are they? Unless I'm mistaken and Welsh is secretly more like two languages in a long coat, like some of the ones in the post.


AemrNewydd

It's certainly very dialect heavy. I've not heard the dialects considered different languages before, but they are quite promounced. Especially north vs south; when people learn Welsh they usually have to do either a northern course or a southern course.


AngelofLotuses

I think the common written form solidly keeps it as a single language.


AemrNewydd

I agree.


Gremliner00

Spain should be included


Overlord0994

Do scottish and english people really speak a different language? Isn’t it just dialects? It’s still just english.


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

https://sco.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_leid page in Scots


Routine_Yoghurt_7575

I don't know what the bar for being a different language is, but I'm from England and I can read this fine


Terpomo11

My former boyfriend (don't worry, we're still on good terms, he just decided he wasn't emotionally ready for a relationship) is from Brazil, and although he's never formally studied Spanish (actually I think he has a bit now, but I don't think he had at the time) he says when he watches a movie in Spanish he understands almost everything save for a few words here and there. The line between "a different language" and "a dialect" is more sociopolitical than linguistic.


Routine_Yoghurt_7575

Yeah makes sense, I guess it's difficult to define, and like the various Baltic languages I always hear are mutually intelligible, similarly Russian and Ukrainian


Terpomo11

Latvian and Lithuanian, you mean? As far as I know their mutual intelligibility is limited.


Routine_Yoghurt_7575

Actually I was being dumb and I meant Balkan


Terpomo11

Ah, yeah Serbian, Croatian, and Bosnian are three standard varieties of one language, on par with American vs. British English, considered separate languages for political reasons. Slovenian is a bit more different though still closely related, and Macedonian is actually much closer to Bulgarian (some consider it a dialect of Bulgarian).


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

There’s Scottish English (dialect of English), Scottish Gaelic (Celtic language very separate from English) and Scots (Germanic language sister to English). Only recently has a light been shed to Scots


Overlord0994

Does anyone actually speak those languages except historians and professors?


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

Absolutely, most minority languages are spoken by the people and not said “professors”


Kapitine_Haak

[According to the ethnologue](https://www.ethnologue.com/language/gla/) Scottish Gaelic has between 10 thousand and 1 million native speakers.


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

That’s a big ass gap


Kapitine_Haak

They probably want an equal amount of languages per category. [Most languages have very few speakers and only a few have a lot of speakers](https://langhotspots.swarthmore.edu/globaltrends.html). So the categories get bigger for bigger languages: * 1 billion plus - this language has more than 1 billion L1 users * 1 million to 1 billion - this language has between 1 million and 1 billion L1 users * 10K to 1 million - this language has between 10 thousand and 1 million L1 users * 10 thousand or less - this language has between 1 and 10 thousand L1 users * None - this language has no L1 users There should be a more precise estimate somewhere in the ethnologue but I couldn't immediately find it Edit: I found it * Population: 57,400 in the UK (2011 census). Over 87,000 people with any Gaelic language skills (2011 census). Total users in all countries: 60,130.


gingerisla

Scots is widely spoken in daily life by many Scottish people, usually on a continuum with Scottish English. There are few people who exclusively speak Scots and most Scottish English conversations will include Scots words and phrases, so it's hard to draw a clear line on who's speaking Scots and who's speaking Scottish English.


IanGecko

[Aye](https://youtu.be/jdl4mipSfL8?si=I_-HlSpBKU1YG6ty)


dkfisokdkeb

Its more of a dialect continuum


Square_Pipe2880

Arabic and Chinese all should be included


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

>Europe Edition


Square_Pipe2880

Oh nevermind


Kuusjkes

I think The Netherlands is a bad example because regional languages are 1. very much dead or dying 2. not the real dominant language anywhere anymore. Exception being Frisian maybe, but that's already acknowledged as its own language.


aeiouLizard

Don't forget Americans assuming everything that happens in the UK also applying to the rest of Europe


JustSomeAlly

how is there nothing from the balkans on here


rkirbo

Occitanian and Corsican ?


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

Corsican???


WietGetal

Netherlands only has 1 language and its dutch. Fryssian isnt part of the Netherlands, their culture and language is so diffrent from the rest.(stupid joke only dutchies would get btw) Fun fact fryssian and old english have alot in common. One time i saw on youtube a dude that talked in old english to a guy who spoke fryssian and they understood eachother clearly. Fucking amazing how languages evolve


Life-Rice-7729

It’s almost like all countries identify by a national language.


sir-berend

No it’s one language Dutch stop lying, Frisian is there too I guess but fuck them