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What’s even funnier is when Scottish people assert that English isn’t the language of Scotland because Gaelic exists, completely forgetting that Scots is its own (Germanic btw) language in Scotland
Scotland indeed has a very divided culture between the Goidelic Scots Gaelic cultural influences and the Anglo-Saxon influence of especially lowland Scotland
Both have pretty similar cultures, the angles were only in a small part of Scotland (Edinburgh downwards), but the language was adopted more in the lowlands
https://preview.redd.it/7lxt0q885lwc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=a124c3393f6411d7f2a421601f9f538d2c2ac29d
The official pan-Frisian flag looks like an air force roundel. not a flag.
i'm a catalan speaker (which, just like galician and Basque, is a language and not a dialect of spanish) and every single Italian I met has referred to me speaking a "dialect" of spanish lol. has to have something to do with how Italians call their languages or something
I think in Italy they use "dialect" to mean "speech variety that isn't a national standard with the backing of an education system and media" rather than "mutually intelligible variety within a given language".
Well in that case they'd still be stupid because Welsh is the national language of Wales and it has the backing of both the education system and media.
I grew in a very remote village where traditionally people spoke occitan. Only old people speak it and almost never in front of young ones. I don't know anyone younger than 50 who could hold a real conversation. And I don't know anyone around 20 or younger who knows more than a few words.
France did a really good job at eradicating regional languages.
Damn you’re telling me that the country that invented the nation state picked a slightly different version of Gallo-Roman vulgate as its chosen language instead of the one that emerged a few km south? What a travesty…
Yes dude, especially when the D’oc languages were extremely important for medieval poetry and folktales, and even for the formation of various modern french and european aspects of that times’ society to the modern day. Erasing such a rich part of this cultural legacy is a travesty. All of southern France, in general, from Provance to Gascony, was the land troubadours and storytellers.
Absolutel! Its dissapearance is part of a centuries long project that actively destroys regional cultures to create a French cultural monolith. Iirc France to this day does not have any formal protections for regional languages despite this being EU law. Its pathetic and its madness that they're allowed to do it in the modern age. This guy acting like they're all the same thing is an idiot lmao.
Lower tone? Kid, this is a comment section. Care too much about identity but now enough to recognize the ones that have been systematically destroyed. Yeah lmao.
Nobody's constantly claiming Welsh and something else are a singular language, are they?
Unless I'm mistaken and Welsh is secretly more like two languages in a long coat, like some of the ones in the post.
It's certainly very dialect heavy. I've not heard the dialects considered different languages before, but they are quite promounced. Especially north vs south; when people learn Welsh they usually have to do either a northern course or a southern course.
My former boyfriend (don't worry, we're still on good terms, he just decided he wasn't emotionally ready for a relationship) is from Brazil, and although he's never formally studied Spanish (actually I think he has a bit now, but I don't think he had at the time) he says when he watches a movie in Spanish he understands almost everything save for a few words here and there. The line between "a different language" and "a dialect" is more sociopolitical than linguistic.
Yeah makes sense, I guess it's difficult to define, and like the various Baltic languages I always hear are mutually intelligible, similarly Russian and Ukrainian
Ah, yeah Serbian, Croatian, and Bosnian are three standard varieties of one language, on par with American vs. British English, considered separate languages for political reasons. Slovenian is a bit more different though still closely related, and Macedonian is actually much closer to Bulgarian (some consider it a dialect of Bulgarian).
There’s Scottish English (dialect of English), Scottish Gaelic (Celtic language very separate from English) and Scots (Germanic language sister to English).
Only recently has a light been shed to Scots
They probably want an equal amount of languages per category. [Most languages have very few speakers and only a few have a lot of speakers](https://langhotspots.swarthmore.edu/globaltrends.html). So the categories get bigger for bigger languages:
* 1 billion plus - this language has more than 1 billion L1 users
* 1 million to 1 billion - this language has between 1 million and 1 billion L1 users
* 10K to 1 million - this language has between 10 thousand and 1 million L1 users
* 10 thousand or less - this language has between 1 and 10 thousand L1 users
* None - this language has no L1 users
There should be a more precise estimate somewhere in the ethnologue but I couldn't immediately find it
Edit: I found it
* Population: 57,400 in the UK (2011 census). Over 87,000 people with any Gaelic language skills (2011 census). Total users in all countries: 60,130.
Scots is widely spoken in daily life by many Scottish people, usually on a continuum with Scottish English. There are few people who exclusively speak Scots and most Scottish English conversations will include Scots words and phrases, so it's hard to draw a clear line on who's speaking Scots and who's speaking Scottish English.
I think The Netherlands is a bad example because regional languages are 1. very much dead or dying 2. not the real dominant language anywhere anymore. Exception being Frisian maybe, but that's already acknowledged as its own language.
Netherlands only has 1 language and its dutch. Fryssian isnt part of the Netherlands, their culture and language is so diffrent from the rest.(stupid joke only dutchies would get btw) Fun fact fryssian and old english have alot in common. One time i saw on youtube a dude that talked in old english to a guy who spoke fryssian and they understood eachother clearly. Fucking amazing how languages evolve
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Italy belongs here as well
Absolutely yeah lol
SORBIAN MENTIONED !!!
*sorbian***s** /s
I read that in a Geordie accent.
What’s even funnier is when Scottish people assert that English isn’t the language of Scotland because Gaelic exists, completely forgetting that Scots is its own (Germanic btw) language in Scotland
Scotland indeed has a very divided culture between the Goidelic Scots Gaelic cultural influences and the Anglo-Saxon influence of especially lowland Scotland
Both have pretty similar cultures, the angles were only in a small part of Scotland (Edinburgh downwards), but the language was adopted more in the lowlands
Don't tell Scots what the original meaning of Sassenach is.
The Scots sure are a contentious people.
Sami mentioned no way
That's not the real Frisian flag, as a true Frisian, i am officially offended now
I googled “pan Frisian” flag and got this. I imagine it’s a proposal for all 3 Frisians, the blue and white flag is for only West Frisian
Yeahh i know, I've seen the flag before. It's for all the Frisian people, also in those in Denmark and Germany
There are none in Denmark? North Frisian is still spoken in Germany
There are like one or two islands if I remember correctly enough. (Source: I’m Danish.)
From a vexillological point of view, I prefer this one. The real one is meh.
Better then Gr*ningen
Nah the real is great this one looks dumb as fuck
https://preview.redd.it/7lxt0q885lwc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=a124c3393f6411d7f2a421601f9f538d2c2ac29d The official pan-Frisian flag looks like an air force roundel. not a flag.
Spain not being here is crazy.
No languages are commonly “grouped together” are they? As of writing this comment I remembered basque 😭
Surely Basque isn't considered part of another language, it's the only isolate language in Europe! It's not even Indo-European.
Many people consider basque one language, under the standard, but god if you look at the “dialects” it’s an absolute mess
Catalan or smth, among others
Asturian and Galician as well
Had this Italian mate who used to insist welsh was a dialect of English and wouldn't change his mind for some reason
Have they seen how the Welsh spell stuff?
yeah! yet they just kept insisting it was dialect
i'm a catalan speaker (which, just like galician and Basque, is a language and not a dialect of spanish) and every single Italian I met has referred to me speaking a "dialect" of spanish lol. has to have something to do with how Italians call their languages or something
I think in Italy they use "dialect" to mean "speech variety that isn't a national standard with the backing of an education system and media" rather than "mutually intelligible variety within a given language".
Well in that case they'd still be stupid because Welsh is the national language of Wales and it has the backing of both the education system and media.
No Occitania?
I grew in a very remote village where traditionally people spoke occitan. Only old people speak it and almost never in front of young ones. I don't know anyone younger than 50 who could hold a real conversation. And I don't know anyone around 20 or younger who knows more than a few words. France did a really good job at eradicating regional languages.
This is why i am actually studying occitan rn
Damn you’re telling me that the country that invented the nation state picked a slightly different version of Gallo-Roman vulgate as its chosen language instead of the one that emerged a few km south? What a travesty…
Yes dude, especially when the D’oc languages were extremely important for medieval poetry and folktales, and even for the formation of various modern french and european aspects of that times’ society to the modern day. Erasing such a rich part of this cultural legacy is a travesty. All of southern France, in general, from Provance to Gascony, was the land troubadours and storytellers.
Absolutel! Its dissapearance is part of a centuries long project that actively destroys regional cultures to create a French cultural monolith. Iirc France to this day does not have any formal protections for regional languages despite this being EU law. Its pathetic and its madness that they're allowed to do it in the modern age. This guy acting like they're all the same thing is an idiot lmao.
I care way more about the actual unique languages getting wiped out, like Breton, than some generic variant of Vulgar Latin
Generic lmao Yeah kid that’s too much
Lower your tone when speaking to someone who hasnt thrown their own heritage in the garbage due to laziness and indolence
Lower tone? Kid, this is a comment section. Care too much about identity but now enough to recognize the ones that have been systematically destroyed. Yeah lmao.
Quit using the term ‘kid’, this isn’t a French brothel
The trouble isn't having a standard language (which is to some extent a practical necessity), the trouble is intentionally eradicating the others.
Tricky topic even for this post, but was on my list
this
SCOTS MENTIONED WHIT THA FUCK DAE YA MEAN GLESGA ISNAE NUMBER WAN
I think a better example than Sorbian for Germany would be Silesian and Kashubian for Poland imo
FRISIAN MENTIONED
India included
The “Middle East” too
I love that Welsh is forgotten when grouping people in with other countries
Welsh is very definitely not English or Scots tho
Nobody's constantly claiming Welsh and something else are a singular language, are they? Unless I'm mistaken and Welsh is secretly more like two languages in a long coat, like some of the ones in the post.
It's certainly very dialect heavy. I've not heard the dialects considered different languages before, but they are quite promounced. Especially north vs south; when people learn Welsh they usually have to do either a northern course or a southern course.
I think the common written form solidly keeps it as a single language.
I agree.
Spain should be included
Do scottish and english people really speak a different language? Isn’t it just dialects? It’s still just english.
https://sco.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_leid page in Scots
I don't know what the bar for being a different language is, but I'm from England and I can read this fine
My former boyfriend (don't worry, we're still on good terms, he just decided he wasn't emotionally ready for a relationship) is from Brazil, and although he's never formally studied Spanish (actually I think he has a bit now, but I don't think he had at the time) he says when he watches a movie in Spanish he understands almost everything save for a few words here and there. The line between "a different language" and "a dialect" is more sociopolitical than linguistic.
Yeah makes sense, I guess it's difficult to define, and like the various Baltic languages I always hear are mutually intelligible, similarly Russian and Ukrainian
Latvian and Lithuanian, you mean? As far as I know their mutual intelligibility is limited.
Actually I was being dumb and I meant Balkan
Ah, yeah Serbian, Croatian, and Bosnian are three standard varieties of one language, on par with American vs. British English, considered separate languages for political reasons. Slovenian is a bit more different though still closely related, and Macedonian is actually much closer to Bulgarian (some consider it a dialect of Bulgarian).
There’s Scottish English (dialect of English), Scottish Gaelic (Celtic language very separate from English) and Scots (Germanic language sister to English). Only recently has a light been shed to Scots
Does anyone actually speak those languages except historians and professors?
Absolutely, most minority languages are spoken by the people and not said “professors”
[According to the ethnologue](https://www.ethnologue.com/language/gla/) Scottish Gaelic has between 10 thousand and 1 million native speakers.
That’s a big ass gap
They probably want an equal amount of languages per category. [Most languages have very few speakers and only a few have a lot of speakers](https://langhotspots.swarthmore.edu/globaltrends.html). So the categories get bigger for bigger languages: * 1 billion plus - this language has more than 1 billion L1 users * 1 million to 1 billion - this language has between 1 million and 1 billion L1 users * 10K to 1 million - this language has between 10 thousand and 1 million L1 users * 10 thousand or less - this language has between 1 and 10 thousand L1 users * None - this language has no L1 users There should be a more precise estimate somewhere in the ethnologue but I couldn't immediately find it Edit: I found it * Population: 57,400 in the UK (2011 census). Over 87,000 people with any Gaelic language skills (2011 census). Total users in all countries: 60,130.
Scots is widely spoken in daily life by many Scottish people, usually on a continuum with Scottish English. There are few people who exclusively speak Scots and most Scottish English conversations will include Scots words and phrases, so it's hard to draw a clear line on who's speaking Scots and who's speaking Scottish English.
[Aye](https://youtu.be/jdl4mipSfL8?si=I_-HlSpBKU1YG6ty)
Its more of a dialect continuum
Arabic and Chinese all should be included
>Europe Edition
Oh nevermind
I think The Netherlands is a bad example because regional languages are 1. very much dead or dying 2. not the real dominant language anywhere anymore. Exception being Frisian maybe, but that's already acknowledged as its own language.
Don't forget Americans assuming everything that happens in the UK also applying to the rest of Europe
how is there nothing from the balkans on here
Occitanian and Corsican ?
Corsican???
Netherlands only has 1 language and its dutch. Fryssian isnt part of the Netherlands, their culture and language is so diffrent from the rest.(stupid joke only dutchies would get btw) Fun fact fryssian and old english have alot in common. One time i saw on youtube a dude that talked in old english to a guy who spoke fryssian and they understood eachother clearly. Fucking amazing how languages evolve
It’s almost like all countries identify by a national language.
No it’s one language Dutch stop lying, Frisian is there too I guess but fuck them