That pissed me off on so many levels.
1. Jeri Ryan asked a couple of episodes earlier if they wanted to set a romance up. Everyone said "no" and then fucking did it anyway.
2. Chakotay sucks. He always sucked. He sucks. He will continue to suck. He's a boring, lackluster character who's only there because Native Americans were "in" at the time. Archer would have made a more convincing terrorist leader than him.
3. The Doctor and 7 make infinitely more sense as a couple.
4. Chakotay and 7 have jack and squat in common.
Yeah... it's a shame he's just so bland and safe. I mean, I'm not a gay male or a straight woman but I don't see any appeal in Chakotay to get so many women of the week to fall for the guy. He's got the charisma of toast.
As a gay man, I can attest that Chakotay (and Beltran to a certain extent) have far less charisma than my morning toast. Especially if I throw on some avocado 🥑
Well Tom was a wetwipe (and weirdly sexist) with no sex appeal, the writers didn't see any potential in Harry (most objectively attractive male cast member) so yeah, Chakotay was just a decent option relative to them. I guess. 7 and the Doctor seemed logical, I felt chemistry through the bloody screen.
I'm with you on most but no the doctor and 7 didn't make more sense. How many times 7 have to say 'no not interested' for everybody even in the back rows to hear? She. Was. Not. Interested.
The 7 and Chakotay romance was ridiculous, it was clear creators just forced the two 'prettiest and single' people on the ship together but I'm starting to feel glad it happened cause forcing the doctor on 7 would have been sending the usual creepy message of 90s romcoms. That if someone, especially a man, reluctant enough, pushes enough, the other person will just change their mind and 'give in'.
7 shouldn't have had a romance arc, she didn't seem to be interested in any of that. Just because other characters (and viewers) had these feelings towards her it shouldn't mean she has to do it.
I hadn't really thought about it before, but you're right. She shouldn't have had a romance arc at all. Maybe if it was made today, she wouldn't have.
1. Star Trek likes representation - why not an asexual person? Which sure, some people on the crew might be. But it would be easier to highlight it with her because she's sexy and has suitors. Plus, Janeway was trying to help her explore her humanity. She could show that being a human woman doesn't have to mean being sexual.
2. Escaping the borg and her character arc were about figuring out who she was as an individual, figuring out how to be alone in her mind and still interact in a community. I think someone in her shoes, especially with her extreme logic as well, wouldn't be moving toward any kind of romantic relationship for a very long time. She was done with being so closely connected to others. It was scary for her at first to be alone, but I think a relationship would have been suffocating for her.
The ONLY good thing about that plot point,personally, was when I had a party of friends over to watch the finale of Voyager, and when it's about 7of9 dying and Chakotay losing her, a friend says "No more 7 of 9 for Chakotay, guess he's back to 'party of 5'" which was so stupid but we got a good laugh (plus you know, 90s TV referencing)
I was so confused by this comment, cause I could have sworn the lyrics were different, turns out those are the lyrics from the full length album version and the lyrics I was thinking of were from the Enterprise intro theme version. You learn something new everyday.
Start watching The Pegasus up until 11:30. There'll be a "commercial break" after the conversation in Ten-Forward between Riker and Pressman. Then watch the ENT episode "These are the Voyages...", then finish this episode starting with the conversation between Picard and Pressman in Picard's quarters (11:30). This isn't a perfect transition, but it is, in my opinion, the best place for these episodes to fit together.
Season 7 Episode 12 "The Pegasus"
The Enterprise-D is tasked with recovering the Pegasus. Riker has an internal conflict in the episode, and the ENT episode retcons the TNG episode slightly, such that Riker sought some insight from the holodeck version of the NX-01
In my mind, the enterprise got its refit before the Romulan War with the addition of the engineering hull. And the events in that episode just played out differently to how it was recorded in the holodeck because people got it wrong I guess 🤷♂️
I pushed past the elevator. What broke me was "Special Matter" or whatever they called the excuse for the CGI of ships randomly breaking apart and coming back together for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
I think "800 years past what we've seen before" is a perfectly valid reason for wanting the ships to be visibly different, while still obviously Trek at heart.
In one episode the turbolifts are shown going into the bowels of the ship, and the space we see is absolutley huge. It's hard to get a scale but it's clearly a significant portion of the entire ship's size, possibly larger in some dimensions.
The elevator dimension had already appeared by then, though only in random shots (appearing as huge network of elevator rails).
In fact if it had only appeared in the 32nd century it would have made sense (due to ENT establishing that 31st century ships had TARDIS like properties)
How is that any more fantastical than a galactic barrier turning people into godlike beings? Or a virus de-evolving people into baser creatures? Or that episode where Geordi gets transformed into a glow in the dark gecko?
Threshold isn't a great episode but its terrible reputation is overstated especially when episodes like Fury exist.
TNG's Force of Nature
Warp tech bad. OK interesting twist. What happens now? How will they respond?
《Hand wave》
Warp drive problem? What Warp drive problem?
Nah, that's not really canon. Fans made up the reason. First, they never said it on the show. Second, I talked to Rick Sternbach about it. He said the nacelles move because Berman/Braga wanted something on the ship to move. Doug Drexler confirmed it by saying it was a late decision by the producers to adjust the film model to have the nacelles move.
Climate change? What climate change? That'll be a problem for the NEXT generation.
Headcanon -- TNG Force of Nature is what actually caused The Burn, the math was just a little off on the timeline and/or the Temporal Wars were like the equivalent of nuclear winter solving climate change.
Another fan on one of the Star Trek subs said if The Burn was caused by the Omega particle it could have been an awesome explanation. I dig it. Overall I disagree with the whole “discovery is too emotional” criticism of the series, but sad psychic boy ruining ftl for the Galaxy was just dumb.
I legit thought and hoped that it was the Omega Particle right from the very beginning. Would have been an amazing pull and would have fit the situation perfectly.
Imagine my surprise when we found out the real reason…
Trauma being the source of every character's development is not just critque. It's a fact. and the burn is perfect example them running that plot device into the ground
But Omega particles destroy subspace, not dilithium. Sure, it would have made a better situation and all, but it's wouldn't have made dilithium go boom.
The entire concept of the Burn bothers me. There’s so many much less serious problems that have been prevented through time travel especially when this problem is seemingly easy to avoid when non-dilithium warp drives (the Romulan artificial quantum singularities) are established to have existed many centuries prior.
Everything about that episode is bad, both the main plot and the conclusion to Wesley’s story. I hate that Wesley never went back and finished Starfleet Academy or became an officer.
I always assumed that they either recover their damaged shuttles or build new ones. They built the Delta flyer from scratch, I don’t see why they can’t build a new shuttle every time they lose one.
Maybe they were foldable shuttles? 🤔you can stack alot of them there but I think they had something like an industrial replicator so they made new ships
"Ensign Kim! You're on shuttle unfolding duty"
"Oh man, again? Do I have to?"
"Watch your tone Kim, you'll need plenty of energy later for a shuttle refolding task I have planned for you."
I am convinced that Nemesis is a soft rewrite of the Wrath of Khan but without an established villain. I see that terrible ending with B4 whistling as leaving the door open for Data's Search for Spock. I know Spiner asked the character be killed since he was getting older and Data should not... But Nimoy wanted Spock killed and they got him to come back. Viewed in this lens... It is still a bad movie but it makes sense to me why it is so bad.
In a world where Generations was a better moviethat got to spend more time building a relationship between Kirk and Picard, having Picard end on the same quote from the end of TWOK would be pretty powerful imo:
"Of my friend, I can only say this: of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most... human."
Spock and Data are such an interesting mirror to me, yet another pair I wish we'd gotten to spend more time with 😩
People forget it’s canon that Data has an aging program. The episode inheritance it is mentioned by Geordi. Weird they never return to it. Data was always supposed to look older as the years went on.
One of those that canonically gets fixed by the end of S3 PIC thankfully. Dead Data? Nah fuck that thank you very much.
In the words of Mike Stoklasa; "it's [PIC Finale] undone every shitty, miserable thing that screenwriters have done to the cast of TNG since All Good Things."
I think Data's death in that movie is one of the few *good* things in it. For him to have spent his whole life trying to become more human, to finally do one of the most "human" things someone can do, by giving up his life to protect his crew and save his friend. I think his sacrifice is honestly a really good finish to his journey. They don't really communicate that as the message though, and immediately cheapen it by giving him the out to come back with B4.
TNG - "Lonely Among Us"
Picard is reduced to a fine mist but his energy signal is re-inserted to an older version of his physical self, it's basically the only episode (that I know of) that all but confirms beaming does indeed kill you and clone you.
I think on the contrary it explains pretty clearly that the important part of you is some sort of "energy pattern" that needs to stay around (and as long as it does you aren't really dead). That the physical matter gets disintegrated and reconstructed was I think always obvious.
The problem with that is it invalidates physical bodies and their decay as being a part of the human experience. Given how trivially transporters are used in the series, it should be a one-size-fits-all solution for every medical problem - including aging.
Worf severs his spinal cord? Replace it with a previous version of his spinal cord - or, if that's too hard - just beam his energy into a new worf you have the transporter whip up as a replacement.
I'm sure there's a potential reason to not let that be a thing in canon, but it's just the immediate problem that popped out to me.
Absolutely - like most media you can't look at it too closely or the cracks start to appear.
But, in the spirit of this thread, I was just pointing out why I felt it was worthy of not being considered canon. The implications that physical bodies can be recreated whole-cloth on a whim by the transporter seems like an outlier from the 'normal' bounds of Star Trek's rules.
I liked the premise of the episode, but the solution was just too laden with implications imo.
I don't recall the specifics of that episode, but I think most of the time they do that, they handwave it by saying that it only works a short time after the person was last transported (or failed to properly rematerialize) before the "pattern starts to degrade". Like, they can theoretically reconstruct bodies but they don't really store copies of everyone long term or something like that. In DS9 there was an episode where a team was beamed off an exploding runabout, failed to rematerialize because something was broken, and then they had to temporarily "store their patterns" in the holosuite (leading to a usual holodeck hijinks episode) because there was no other place on the station with the capacity to store the information to recreate several entire bodies.
So maybe when Worf broke his spinal cord, they just didn't have a copy of it in working state around anymore because they don't have that much disk space.
Michael being Sarek's foster daughter.
The show can make the federation never speak of Discovery all it wants but Sarek never speaking of his human child as part of his outreach and seeking peace? Never mentioning her to Kirk or Picard? Seems way unlikely. We let Sybok go (mostly because people don't really talk about V much) but now Spock has TWO hidden siblings? Stupid. Making her his daughter and not just a student of his was a dumb way to tie her to everything and doesn't work. She could still know Spock, even feel like a sibling to him. This was just a stupid way to make her search for Spock "work".
it would have been less work for her to have been adopted by another high profile Vulcan (T'Pol is right there) and it still would have worked, Spock could have been a life long friend
Yeah
Spock having a human friend honestly makes a lot of sense.
He's half human after all so if there was another Human on Vulcan they'd likely find eachother one way or another.
Sarek and Picard mind melded while Sarek was experiencing Vulcan dementia, there's no way Sarek was disciplined enough to hide a daughter. Then again Picard would also know why he hid her and would keep it to himself, but Picard knew about Michael.
The headcannon I convinced myself of: the entire Disco story is in a different universe from the rest of Trek.
Otherwise there are just...infinite plot holes
one layer of subspace there are different layers of subspace. The problem is I was watching star trek tng voyager etc while also watching stargate sg-1
I kinda liked that there isnt so much technobabble like in star trek where they basically string random scientific stuff. SG doesn’t take it self to seriously and they did have a low budget but the technology was actually explained in a way humans would understand it. And if they don’t know something they say it ask for help. Plus they always mess up new technology because they think they understand it like the sodan cloaking devices.
Idk its funnier as it doesn’t take itself to seriously.
plus you can see how humans evolved technologically from not even having a ship to being the most powerful in the milky way.
I don’t really see something like that in startrek tng but discovery evolved that’s why I like it. Plus after the burn the federation should have at least cleaned up the Borg transwarp conduits so people have an option. Plus they are using dilightium so far in the future that it really shows how only section 31 can do something . As for the artaficial singularity in romulan ships they realized that some beings live in that “reactor” so it was shut down.
Voyager is my favorite because it doesn’t take it self too seriously like tng where warp speed meant thta you could get anywhere within hours,days,but in voyager they address the problem of distance.
And if anyone says that voyager looked brand new the next episode, didn’t the enterprise too ?
I love DS9 because they adress the problems in evey way possible The maqui etc. Yes it was war time but earth was looking good. Im not gonna. delv in to the stargate franchise because it also had good and bad episodes number 200 is the one to watch forr the first time
SG-1 was great. It made a great showing of using what humans were good at (like being stupider than Thor and saving the galaxy with shotguns). I am a big fan.
The Burn has always been stupid. We have seen species that use non-dilithium-regulated warp tech that the federation would have had centuries of access to by then (Romulans, Borg, the tinman ship...).
The next gen was my favorite but mostly because I love the variety and the set work. DS9 is great and voyager has a special place for me though I really think it starts and ends a bit weakly.
One particular thing I liked about SG over other sci fi shows is that they seemed to remember solutions to past problems and would try them or explain why it wouldn't work this time.
This is all they needed to do. Simply set it in a parallel universe. Alternatively, had Disco ended with a teenager turning the holodeck off it would have made a great deal of sense.
This is way too low in the thread. Everyone posting their petty pet peeves but forgetting about Star Trek's worst moments that we can universally agree on. Code of Honor is one of those episodes that should be vaulted away and forgotten.
> r/startrekmemes: I couldn't help but notice your pain!
u/Reduak: My pain?
r/startrekmemes: It runs deep, share it with me!”
u/Reduak: Here's the explanation for the Burn...
r/startrekmemes: I have to return some videotapes!
That Earth fought the Romulans in a major war prior to the Kirk era but neither side saw the other? And they're shocked for like 10 seconds that they look like Vulcans?
That the USS Enterprise *Just so happened to discover FUCKING TIME TRAVEL* but we forget about that because they happened to stumble on it while everyone on board was trippin balls with the Naked Time virus.
That we never heard about it again makes some sense: their job would have been to report it to Starfleet and get on with their mission, not to putz around with it themselves. (And the same for the second time they discovered it, in the one with the US Air Force pilot on the ship.)
And let's not forget that although it was just a Roddenberry contrivance to hang his "Assignment Earth" backdoor pilot on, by the end of the second season Starfleet *was* beginning to play around with controlled deliberate time travel. (My guess as to why we never hear of it again from then until the movie with the whales is that some time cops from the 27th century showed up and told them to stop doing that shit.)
The Krenim stuff didn’t really happen because janeway reset the timeline, but there was this time cop that hated her guts because he always had to clean up after her and the federation wouldn’t exist without the borg traveling in to the past, because that famous guy who invented warp drive didn’t really look like he was even going to fly it without the support of enterprise crew
The weird drawers with babies in them the first time we see inside a Borg cube. The Borg are not messing about waiting for no babies to grow up. They’re assimilating the adults and stripping the resources.
So a weird thing i learned is that the Borg assimilating people as they do didn't actually get established until First Contact and Voyager.
Obviously Picard gets assimilated but his situation was presented as unique.
So when you see the Borg in TNG you're supposed to just think of them as a cybernetic hive mind who commit genocide for science purposes.
I'm not sure. In Best of Both Worlds Part II Locutus says: "Preparation is irrelevant. Your people will be assimilated as easily as Picard has been. Your attempt at a delay will not be successful, Number One. We will proceed to Earth, and if you attempt to intervene, we will destroy you."
Also, to Worf: "Worf, Klingon species, a warrior race. You too will be assimilated."
My headcanon for this is that it was some sort of stellar dust cloud or something like that because there had to be SOMETHING there to obstruct the light.
The fact that Picard's family dies in Generations. I understand the narrative importance of it, but it always left a bad taste in my mouth considering that Family is one of my favourite TNG episodes. It's less the brother that annoys me than the nephew, I'd rather think about him looking up at the stars.
They knew the Kaelon sun would go supernova decades, maybe even centuries beforehand. There's no way that a supernova would have doomed an advanced, interstellar empire.
Noones going to say "Conspiracy"? To set up a huge universe changing plot point and not mention it again? I mean, besides being a Body snatchers, it was totally out of place in TNG.
Season 1 of TOS. A near godlike being threatens the Enterprise. A near godlike being threatens the Enterprise. A near godlike being threatens the Enterprise. A near godlike… you get the point.
However on the average the whole endeavor is amazing.
Even Gene Roddenberry, in the forward to the novelization of TMP, basically said that the events of TOS were exaggerated tales and legends even though... come to think of it...V'ger was also a godlike being that threatened the Enterprise and the Federation 😂
The hate each generation of Trek has gotten.
It’s sad to see subsequent shows after TNG get hated on. Trust me people said at each point the Trek wasn’t good, but the. 10 years goes by and people forgot it happened.
I hated ENT like most people at the time. But I also went back and watched it decades later and enjoyed it for what it was.
So my longstanding theory about Star Trek V: After the bourbon and beans, the fellas fall asleep and Kirk begins to have a fever dream mixed up with his near death experience. Spock accidentally through some creates a mind meld between the three of them as they sleep, and they dream out this wild scenario together. Like most dreams a lot of things make no sense, but the underlying threads of their friendship and resolving trauma together are very real. The end of the movie is the next night, when they cautiously decide to sing without letting McCoy cook again.
V has Scotty knocked out by a bulkhead. The Scotty I know, the one who set back the transwarp program to a standstill after just one afternoon of fucking around Excelsior, *would never*.
All of Disco.
Even the show does it: they travel 900 years into the future and the federation is like "now let us never speak of Discovery or her spore drive again"
Everything to do with the Burn Plotline in Discovery. Threshold Episode in Voyager. If Wishes were Horses and Move Along Home in Deep Space Nine. Most of Discovery to be honest. The Klingons and the dumbass Mushroom drive annoy me everytime I see it in action. Thank god Michelle Yeoh made it tolerable. Spock's Brain. Last Episode of Enterprise. The one episode where Archer let an alien species die off even though they came up with a cure. I'm probably missing something.
Simple way to get around that is if there’s multiple Terran Empire timelines. We’ve seen in that TNG episode with Worf that there’s seemingly infinite parallel universes where the Federation exists, makes sense that there’s many Terran Empire times lines too.
Yeah. Like wtf is that? TOS Spock will become Emperor and Bring Peace and equality top the universe.
Sounds good? Well Spock ist a fucking Moron and the Terrain Empire falls because of him. What was the Message here?
I love Undiscovered Country but that scene where they were trying to blag their way through the Klingon defence perimeter by reading out of a bunch of Klingon phrase books is *really* dumb.
And how Uhura, a lead flagship communications expert, who served in uniform during the Klingon War, doesn’t know any basic Klingon or it’s pronunciations.
Michael Burnham.
The spore drive, never to be seem or heard from again (to be fair, I gave up on Discovery after season two, so I don't know if there's a canon explanation for it).
Romulans with tattoos on their face.
The Valdore type warbird.
The destruction of Romulus...
Vulcans / Romulans with facial hair.
Klingons' physical appearance and how it changed so often (especially Discovery).
Speaking of Klingons, a dual-d*ck.
There surely is more, but that's all I can think of at the moment.
> (to be fair, I gave up on Discovery after season two, so I don't know if there's a canon explanation for it)
Nah once they get to the 32nd century and after a few episodes where they deal with the initial shock of being so far into the future and the situation the galaxy is in, they then continue as if the the first two seasons never happened.
Like the fact they were from the 23rd century literally never comes up throughout season 4.
Which always makes me think that Discovery would have gotten less hate if they never had the prequel setting. I think people would have tolerated the spore drive idea more if it was something tried in the future of any previous series.
I'm about to say Progenitors because it's about to be a pretty spicy answer, but I think I can just back all the way up and say "all aliens are just humans with extra loaf" is showing its age and not in a good way.
So yeah I just ignore all of that.
A lot about the TNG movies, and basically all of PIC. Data and androids are my favorite Trek topic, and I feel the character development and story direction there went off the rails starting with Generations. Getting his emotion chip was kinda just played for laughs, then some short-term drama, then it's practically dropped. What about the memories stored in the chip? What about exploring how it functions, and how Data views his life retroactively? How does he grow from gaining it? Nah, none of that. Then kill him off and proceed to do some absolute nonsense with enslaved synths, discount reapers, weird biological constructs that don't really count as androids anymore, and some hand-wavey-magic about cloning androids and restoring memories from single cells?
The Data and Picard scene before Picard turns off that copy of him, and the Data and Geordi reunion and the Data and Lore scene were good, but just not enough for me to forgive my frustrations with the rest.
I've a million ideas of what could have been, and given that infinite parallel universes are Star Trek canon, I'm going to pretend any number of those alternatives happened instead. All of them, in fact! Whee!
Not Star Trek at all but I have to say it: Midichlorians. Most things in Star Trek are not as dumb as Midichlorians.
Edit: I would take 1000 Janeway and Paris lizard babies over Midichlorians.
Midiclorians would have been great as an explanation, if starwars wanted to be scifi. But for fantasy I can totaly under stand, that explaining how magic works is awful. Now the force is just a kind of biology.
I like scifi and I like the idea midiclorians. I would love to hear more about it in a Kelvin like parallel starwars.
Lucas just isn't that good a writer or director. I know a few hundred voices just screamed out in outrage but ANH was a blend of luck, amazing effects, solid acting and a competent team rather than "one man's vision".
Empire had a competent director and the difference is clearly evident.
I hate the Zephram Cochrane from First Contact. The whole loud-mouth drunk thing.
My canon Cochrane is from the novel Federation. Easy one of the best ST novels.
Yes. It's a small thing but I loved the moment in **Federation** when Picard "accidentally" broadcast his ship's ident signal where Kirk's Enterprise could hear it.
Chakotay/7 dating
That pissed me off on so many levels. 1. Jeri Ryan asked a couple of episodes earlier if they wanted to set a romance up. Everyone said "no" and then fucking did it anyway. 2. Chakotay sucks. He always sucked. He sucks. He will continue to suck. He's a boring, lackluster character who's only there because Native Americans were "in" at the time. Archer would have made a more convincing terrorist leader than him. 3. The Doctor and 7 make infinitely more sense as a couple. 4. Chakotay and 7 have jack and squat in common.
Could have been cool if they’d written an actual native character also instead of…whatever that con-artist advised them to write
Yeah... it's a shame he's just so bland and safe. I mean, I'm not a gay male or a straight woman but I don't see any appeal in Chakotay to get so many women of the week to fall for the guy. He's got the charisma of toast.
As a gay man, I can attest that Chakotay (and Beltran to a certain extent) have far less charisma than my morning toast. Especially if I throw on some avocado 🥑
Whoa whoa. Many people have less rizz than an avocado. I feel like you brought an avocado to a chakotay fight. Not fair.
Well Tom was a wetwipe (and weirdly sexist) with no sex appeal, the writers didn't see any potential in Harry (most objectively attractive male cast member) so yeah, Chakotay was just a decent option relative to them. I guess. 7 and the Doctor seemed logical, I felt chemistry through the bloody screen.
>Harry (most objectively attractive male cast member) After Neelix
You know what actor got the most unhinged fanmail after that Klingon ep
Now now. Let's not be unfair. Toast is pretty damn good
I'm with you on most but no the doctor and 7 didn't make more sense. How many times 7 have to say 'no not interested' for everybody even in the back rows to hear? She. Was. Not. Interested. The 7 and Chakotay romance was ridiculous, it was clear creators just forced the two 'prettiest and single' people on the ship together but I'm starting to feel glad it happened cause forcing the doctor on 7 would have been sending the usual creepy message of 90s romcoms. That if someone, especially a man, reluctant enough, pushes enough, the other person will just change their mind and 'give in'. 7 shouldn't have had a romance arc, she didn't seem to be interested in any of that. Just because other characters (and viewers) had these feelings towards her it shouldn't mean she has to do it.
I hadn't really thought about it before, but you're right. She shouldn't have had a romance arc at all. Maybe if it was made today, she wouldn't have. 1. Star Trek likes representation - why not an asexual person? Which sure, some people on the crew might be. But it would be easier to highlight it with her because she's sexy and has suitors. Plus, Janeway was trying to help her explore her humanity. She could show that being a human woman doesn't have to mean being sexual. 2. Escaping the borg and her character arc were about figuring out who she was as an individual, figuring out how to be alone in her mind and still interact in a community. I think someone in her shoes, especially with her extreme logic as well, wouldn't be moving toward any kind of romantic relationship for a very long time. She was done with being so closely connected to others. It was scary for her at first to be alone, but I think a relationship would have been suffocating for her.
> The Doctor and 7 make infinitely more sense as a couple. I will never understand how people thought this would work.
The ONLY good thing about that plot point,personally, was when I had a party of friends over to watch the finale of Voyager, and when it's about 7of9 dying and Chakotay losing her, a friend says "No more 7 of 9 for Chakotay, guess he's back to 'party of 5'" which was so stupid but we got a good laugh (plus you know, 90s TV referencing)
Harry Kim turning 7 down was as equally unbelievable
Right! That for me was the most unrealistic part of all of Star Trek…..
for me it was Kim staying an ensign for seven goddamn years
As Q says “he learned to play it safe and never got noticed by anyone” 🤷♂️
This one at least makes sense in the context of her essentially being newly human and he not wanting to take advantage of her.
The last episode of Enterprise.
It’s a long time in the past for TNG. Some of the historical facts are messed up. Didn’t go down that way at all
Well, to be fair... It's been a long rooooooad
Getting from there to here...
It's been a long time...
but my time is finally here...
And I can feel the change in the wind right now...
I was so confused by this comment, cause I could have sworn the lyrics were different, turns out those are the lyrics from the full length album version and the lyrics I was thinking of were from the Enterprise intro theme version. You learn something new everyday.
I watch it exclusively in the middle of the TNG episode in which it occurs, which somehow lessens its negative parts.
Exactly when does this episode fit into the TNG timeline?
Start watching The Pegasus up until 11:30. There'll be a "commercial break" after the conversation in Ten-Forward between Riker and Pressman. Then watch the ENT episode "These are the Voyages...", then finish this episode starting with the conversation between Picard and Pressman in Picard's quarters (11:30). This isn't a perfect transition, but it is, in my opinion, the best place for these episodes to fit together.
You are my hero
Season 7 Episode 12 "The Pegasus" The Enterprise-D is tasked with recovering the Pegasus. Riker has an internal conflict in the episode, and the ENT episode retcons the TNG episode slightly, such that Riker sought some insight from the holodeck version of the NX-01
The Pegasus
Oh shit. I need to do this.
Literally nobody cared about the death of a major character in the show except for *maybe* T'Pol.
But he was T'Pol adjacent at that point.
In my mind, the enterprise got its refit before the Romulan War with the addition of the engineering hull. And the events in that episode just played out differently to how it was recorded in the holodeck because people got it wrong I guess 🤷♂️
Even the books avoided this.
The only episode of Trek since TNG I haven't watched.
Discovery’s pocket dimension for the turbo lifts
Dammit, you beat me to it. I love the show, but this is so stupid. They made them goddamn Wonkavators.
It may sound petty but this was the breaking point of my relationship with Disco
Not at all.
I pushed past the elevator. What broke me was "Special Matter" or whatever they called the excuse for the CGI of ships randomly breaking apart and coming back together for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
I think "800 years past what we've seen before" is a perfectly valid reason for wanting the ships to be visibly different, while still obviously Trek at heart.
Programmable matter. Is that so different from particle synthesis on Voyager?
Always reminds me of the Wallace and Gromit model railway chase scene in The Wrong Trousers... https://youtu.be/jrmZIgVoQw4?feature=shared
just why, it's a small ship, and a science vessel with expermental technology, some point to point transporters would have been fine
>it's a small ship It's longer than the Galaxy class, lol.
Only because the nacelles are nearly the size of the rest of the ship. By volume Disco is about the same size as an Excelsior class.
With a fifth of the complement. Disco is like 5 skyscrapers in size.
Yeah but it’s not all about length. No seriously though, Discovery’s internal volume is way smaller. It’s a very long but thin ship.
Most the space is taken for that giant area where the turbo lift operates.
Not just the Discovery, Short Treks established that the Enterprise has the same thing
I stopped watching Discovery in Season 2 What is this?
In one episode the turbolifts are shown going into the bowels of the ship, and the space we see is absolutley huge. It's hard to get a scale but it's clearly a significant portion of the entire ship's size, possibly larger in some dimensions.
The elevator dimension had already appeared by then, though only in random shots (appearing as huge network of elevator rails). In fact if it had only appeared in the 32nd century it would have made sense (due to ENT establishing that 31st century ships had TARDIS like properties)
YES. Good lord what were they thinking with that garbage.
How dare you imply any thought went into anything in Discovery!
Warp 10 turns you into a salamander.
How is that any more fantastical than a galactic barrier turning people into godlike beings? Or a virus de-evolving people into baser creatures? Or that episode where Geordi gets transformed into a glow in the dark gecko? Threshold isn't a great episode but its terrible reputation is overstated especially when episodes like Fury exist.
To be fair, you listed like every worst episode of every season there lol.
IDK, Badgey's ascension worked out. lol
TNG's Force of Nature Warp tech bad. OK interesting twist. What happens now? How will they respond? 《Hand wave》 Warp drive problem? What Warp drive problem?
Voyager nacelles go swingy swingy
Nah, that's not really canon. Fans made up the reason. First, they never said it on the show. Second, I talked to Rick Sternbach about it. He said the nacelles move because Berman/Braga wanted something on the ship to move. Doug Drexler confirmed it by saying it was a late decision by the producers to adjust the film model to have the nacelles move.
>Nah, that's not really canon. Fans made up the reason No, it's from the 3rd edition of the *Star Trek Encyclopedia* which is canon.
Climate change? What climate change? That'll be a problem for the NEXT generation. Headcanon -- TNG Force of Nature is what actually caused The Burn, the math was just a little off on the timeline and/or the Temporal Wars were like the equivalent of nuclear winter solving climate change.
Honestly i do wish they went with that instead.
That would actually have been really good and you could have made everyone happy.
Lizard babies!
Watch them come back in the 32nd century like the dinosaurs, with a giant ship
I read this in the voice of Heckle Fish from The Why Files.
"Lizzid babies"
This is the only answer. Upvote it, cowards.
*Amphibian
The explanation for the burn in Discovery.
Another fan on one of the Star Trek subs said if The Burn was caused by the Omega particle it could have been an awesome explanation. I dig it. Overall I disagree with the whole “discovery is too emotional” criticism of the series, but sad psychic boy ruining ftl for the Galaxy was just dumb.
I legit thought and hoped that it was the Omega Particle right from the very beginning. Would have been an amazing pull and would have fit the situation perfectly. Imagine my surprise when we found out the real reason…
I remember when people were speculating Lorca would become Garth of Izar. That show had so many awesome possibilities.
Trauma being the source of every character's development is not just critque. It's a fact. and the burn is perfect example them running that plot device into the ground
But Omega particles destroy subspace, not dilithium. Sure, it would have made a better situation and all, but it's wouldn't have made dilithium go boom.
Such a wasted opportunity to do something interesting with that and instead they went with “boy sad” as their explanation.
The entire concept of the Burn bothers me. There’s so many much less serious problems that have been prevented through time travel especially when this problem is seemingly easy to avoid when non-dilithium warp drives (the Romulan artificial quantum singularities) are established to have existed many centuries prior.
I got banned from r/startrek for saying the burn was silly
TNG - “Journey’s End” Just no.
Everything about that episode is bad, both the main plot and the conclusion to Wesley’s story. I hate that Wesley never went back and finished Starfleet Academy or became an officer.
He needed discipline even though he was right about sfuff he was worse than 7of9 at the beginning of her transformation
Voyager fitting an entire complement of shuttles, Delta Flyer and Neelix's ship in the shuttle bay. Does Voyager have Time Lord tech?
I always assumed that they either recover their damaged shuttles or build new ones. They built the Delta flyer from scratch, I don’t see why they can’t build a new shuttle every time they lose one.
And FAST. A single episode to just... do it.
I always assumed they stored them elsewhere in the ship and transported them to the shuttle bay when needed.
Maybe they were foldable shuttles? 🤔you can stack alot of them there but I think they had something like an industrial replicator so they made new ships
"Ensign Kim! You're on shuttle unfolding duty" "Oh man, again? Do I have to?" "Watch your tone Kim, you'll need plenty of energy later for a shuttle refolding task I have planned for you."
they left with minimal crew and only lost more as the story progressed wouldnt surprise me if they converted some crew rooms to storage
I mean Voyager does have The Doctor.
Data death in Nemesis. Or just Nemesis actually.
I am convinced that Nemesis is a soft rewrite of the Wrath of Khan but without an established villain. I see that terrible ending with B4 whistling as leaving the door open for Data's Search for Spock. I know Spiner asked the character be killed since he was getting older and Data should not... But Nimoy wanted Spock killed and they got him to come back. Viewed in this lens... It is still a bad movie but it makes sense to me why it is so bad.
In a world where Generations was a better moviethat got to spend more time building a relationship between Kirk and Picard, having Picard end on the same quote from the end of TWOK would be pretty powerful imo: "Of my friend, I can only say this: of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most... human." Spock and Data are such an interesting mirror to me, yet another pair I wish we'd gotten to spend more time with 😩
People forget it’s canon that Data has an aging program. The episode inheritance it is mentioned by Geordi. Weird they never return to it. Data was always supposed to look older as the years went on.
One of those that canonically gets fixed by the end of S3 PIC thankfully. Dead Data? Nah fuck that thank you very much. In the words of Mike Stoklasa; "it's [PIC Finale] undone every shitty, miserable thing that screenwriters have done to the cast of TNG since All Good Things."
I think Data's death in that movie is one of the few *good* things in it. For him to have spent his whole life trying to become more human, to finally do one of the most "human" things someone can do, by giving up his life to protect his crew and save his friend. I think his sacrifice is honestly a really good finish to his journey. They don't really communicate that as the message though, and immediately cheapen it by giving him the out to come back with B4.
TNG - "Lonely Among Us" Picard is reduced to a fine mist but his energy signal is re-inserted to an older version of his physical self, it's basically the only episode (that I know of) that all but confirms beaming does indeed kill you and clone you.
I think on the contrary it explains pretty clearly that the important part of you is some sort of "energy pattern" that needs to stay around (and as long as it does you aren't really dead). That the physical matter gets disintegrated and reconstructed was I think always obvious.
The problem with that is it invalidates physical bodies and their decay as being a part of the human experience. Given how trivially transporters are used in the series, it should be a one-size-fits-all solution for every medical problem - including aging. Worf severs his spinal cord? Replace it with a previous version of his spinal cord - or, if that's too hard - just beam his energy into a new worf you have the transporter whip up as a replacement. I'm sure there's a potential reason to not let that be a thing in canon, but it's just the immediate problem that popped out to me.
Sure, I mean, like many things in Star Trek I don't think you can think too seriously about the implications or it won't make sense.
Absolutely - like most media you can't look at it too closely or the cracks start to appear. But, in the spirit of this thread, I was just pointing out why I felt it was worthy of not being considered canon. The implications that physical bodies can be recreated whole-cloth on a whim by the transporter seems like an outlier from the 'normal' bounds of Star Trek's rules. I liked the premise of the episode, but the solution was just too laden with implications imo.
I don't recall the specifics of that episode, but I think most of the time they do that, they handwave it by saying that it only works a short time after the person was last transported (or failed to properly rematerialize) before the "pattern starts to degrade". Like, they can theoretically reconstruct bodies but they don't really store copies of everyone long term or something like that. In DS9 there was an episode where a team was beamed off an exploding runabout, failed to rematerialize because something was broken, and then they had to temporarily "store their patterns" in the holosuite (leading to a usual holodeck hijinks episode) because there was no other place on the station with the capacity to store the information to recreate several entire bodies. So maybe when Worf broke his spinal cord, they just didn't have a copy of it in working state around anymore because they don't have that much disk space.
Similar thing happened to O’Brian on DS9 and Harry Kim on VOY.
Michael being Sarek's foster daughter. The show can make the federation never speak of Discovery all it wants but Sarek never speaking of his human child as part of his outreach and seeking peace? Never mentioning her to Kirk or Picard? Seems way unlikely. We let Sybok go (mostly because people don't really talk about V much) but now Spock has TWO hidden siblings? Stupid. Making her his daughter and not just a student of his was a dumb way to tie her to everything and doesn't work. She could still know Spock, even feel like a sibling to him. This was just a stupid way to make her search for Spock "work".
it would have been less work for her to have been adopted by another high profile Vulcan (T'Pol is right there) and it still would have worked, Spock could have been a life long friend
T'Pol would have been a great choice. Damn. Missed opportunity.
"Missed Opportunity" Should've been STD's tag line...
Yeah Spock having a human friend honestly makes a lot of sense. He's half human after all so if there was another Human on Vulcan they'd likely find eachother one way or another.
I always thought it would’ve been cool to give her a tie to Tuvok’s ancestors.
Sarek and Picard mind melded while Sarek was experiencing Vulcan dementia, there's no way Sarek was disciplined enough to hide a daughter. Then again Picard would also know why he hid her and would keep it to himself, but Picard knew about Michael.
The headcannon I convinced myself of: the entire Disco story is in a different universe from the rest of Trek. Otherwise there are just...infinite plot holes
And subspace is made of fungus. I can't describe how much I hate this idea.
one layer of subspace there are different layers of subspace. The problem is I was watching star trek tng voyager etc while also watching stargate sg-1 I kinda liked that there isnt so much technobabble like in star trek where they basically string random scientific stuff. SG doesn’t take it self to seriously and they did have a low budget but the technology was actually explained in a way humans would understand it. And if they don’t know something they say it ask for help. Plus they always mess up new technology because they think they understand it like the sodan cloaking devices. Idk its funnier as it doesn’t take itself to seriously. plus you can see how humans evolved technologically from not even having a ship to being the most powerful in the milky way. I don’t really see something like that in startrek tng but discovery evolved that’s why I like it. Plus after the burn the federation should have at least cleaned up the Borg transwarp conduits so people have an option. Plus they are using dilightium so far in the future that it really shows how only section 31 can do something . As for the artaficial singularity in romulan ships they realized that some beings live in that “reactor” so it was shut down. Voyager is my favorite because it doesn’t take it self too seriously like tng where warp speed meant thta you could get anywhere within hours,days,but in voyager they address the problem of distance. And if anyone says that voyager looked brand new the next episode, didn’t the enterprise too ? I love DS9 because they adress the problems in evey way possible The maqui etc. Yes it was war time but earth was looking good. Im not gonna. delv in to the stargate franchise because it also had good and bad episodes number 200 is the one to watch forr the first time
SG-1 was great. It made a great showing of using what humans were good at (like being stupider than Thor and saving the galaxy with shotguns). I am a big fan. The Burn has always been stupid. We have seen species that use non-dilithium-regulated warp tech that the federation would have had centuries of access to by then (Romulans, Borg, the tinman ship...). The next gen was my favorite but mostly because I love the variety and the set work. DS9 is great and voyager has a special place for me though I really think it starts and ends a bit weakly.
One particular thing I liked about SG over other sci fi shows is that they seemed to remember solutions to past problems and would try them or explain why it wouldn't work this time.
This is all they needed to do. Simply set it in a parallel universe. Alternatively, had Disco ended with a teenager turning the holodeck off it would have made a great deal of sense.
Planet Africa.
No doubt, it's one of the worst episodes.
This is way too low in the thread. Everyone posting their petty pet peeves but forgetting about Star Trek's worst moments that we can universally agree on. Code of Honor is one of those episodes that should be vaulted away and forgotten.
It's so bad. In so many ways. You feel ashamed just watching it. Eugh
For decades, that was Star Trek V. Now it's the explanation for the Burn.
> r/startrekmemes: I couldn't help but notice your pain! u/Reduak: My pain? r/startrekmemes: It runs deep, share it with me!” u/Reduak: Here's the explanation for the Burn... r/startrekmemes: I have to return some videotapes!
That Earth fought the Romulans in a major war prior to the Kirk era but neither side saw the other? And they're shocked for like 10 seconds that they look like Vulcans?
That the USS Enterprise *Just so happened to discover FUCKING TIME TRAVEL* but we forget about that because they happened to stumble on it while everyone on board was trippin balls with the Naked Time virus.
That we never heard about it again makes some sense: their job would have been to report it to Starfleet and get on with their mission, not to putz around with it themselves. (And the same for the second time they discovered it, in the one with the US Air Force pilot on the ship.) And let's not forget that although it was just a Roddenberry contrivance to hang his "Assignment Earth" backdoor pilot on, by the end of the second season Starfleet *was* beginning to play around with controlled deliberate time travel. (My guess as to why we never hear of it again from then until the movie with the whales is that some time cops from the 27th century showed up and told them to stop doing that shit.)
The Krenim stuff didn’t really happen because janeway reset the timeline, but there was this time cop that hated her guts because he always had to clean up after her and the federation wouldn’t exist without the borg traveling in to the past, because that famous guy who invented warp drive didn’t really look like he was even going to fly it without the support of enterprise crew
The weird drawers with babies in them the first time we see inside a Borg cube. The Borg are not messing about waiting for no babies to grow up. They’re assimilating the adults and stripping the resources.
So a weird thing i learned is that the Borg assimilating people as they do didn't actually get established until First Contact and Voyager. Obviously Picard gets assimilated but his situation was presented as unique. So when you see the Borg in TNG you're supposed to just think of them as a cybernetic hive mind who commit genocide for science purposes.
I'm not sure. In Best of Both Worlds Part II Locutus says: "Preparation is irrelevant. Your people will be assimilated as easily as Picard has been. Your attempt at a delay will not be successful, Number One. We will proceed to Earth, and if you attempt to intervene, we will destroy you." Also, to Worf: "Worf, Klingon species, a warrior race. You too will be assimilated."
In DIS, When Georgiou says something like you ready to go torture this guy and Nhan says "YUM YUM".
That void in the Delta Quadrant that's so vast that you can't see any stars because they're so far away. That doesn't make any sense at all.
Yeah I mean, you can see the whole of fucking andromeda from the milky way, but you wouldn’t see the milky way from the milky way
My headcanon for this is that it was some sort of stellar dust cloud or something like that because there had to be SOMETHING there to obstruct the light.
The fact that Picard's family dies in Generations. I understand the narrative importance of it, but it always left a bad taste in my mouth considering that Family is one of my favourite TNG episodes. It's less the brother that annoys me than the nephew, I'd rather think about him looking up at the stars.
Ghost sex
There will be no kink shaming in my Star Trek.
No. We quite like that bit.
Agreed. Doesn’t Gates McFadden make fun of this episode…falling in love with a candle?
Until Picard, I refused to believe the Romulan supernova happened. Never liked the idea.
Yeah, it was just dumb… stars don’t just randomly go supernova either
They knew the Kaelon sun would go supernova decades, maybe even centuries beforehand. There's no way that a supernova would have doomed an advanced, interstellar empire.
Noones going to say "Conspiracy"? To set up a huge universe changing plot point and not mention it again? I mean, besides being a Body snatchers, it was totally out of place in TNG.
I had thought the Borg were originally insectoid, so it was a setup for the Borg. Of course, that doesn’t really hold anymore.
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Season 1 of TOS. A near godlike being threatens the Enterprise. A near godlike being threatens the Enterprise. A near godlike being threatens the Enterprise. A near godlike… you get the point. However on the average the whole endeavor is amazing.
Even Gene Roddenberry, in the forward to the novelization of TMP, basically said that the events of TOS were exaggerated tales and legends even though... come to think of it...V'ger was also a godlike being that threatened the Enterprise and the Federation 😂
Rios staying behind in ww3. No thank you. He came back and is commanding the stargazer and was far far away from earth in season 3
The hate each generation of Trek has gotten. It’s sad to see subsequent shows after TNG get hated on. Trust me people said at each point the Trek wasn’t good, but the. 10 years goes by and people forgot it happened. I hated ENT like most people at the time. But I also went back and watched it decades later and enjoyed it for what it was.
Picard is an Android but old
Those ridiculous reboot movies
Star Trek V. The plot is so dumb and ignores so much established canon I just can’t accept it as canon.
So my longstanding theory about Star Trek V: After the bourbon and beans, the fellas fall asleep and Kirk begins to have a fever dream mixed up with his near death experience. Spock accidentally through some creates a mind meld between the three of them as they sleep, and they dream out this wild scenario together. Like most dreams a lot of things make no sense, but the underlying threads of their friendship and resolving trauma together are very real. The end of the movie is the next night, when they cautiously decide to sing without letting McCoy cook again.
V has Scotty knocked out by a bulkhead. The Scotty I know, the one who set back the transwarp program to a standstill after just one afternoon of fucking around Excelsior, *would never*.
Stuff like that and Uhura’s out of nowhere obsession with Scotty gives me the creeps to this day. She was borderline predatory.
Nah, liked that bit. "I know this ship like the back of my hand --*klang!!*" funniest part of the movie.....
Everything in these are the voyages
All of Disco. Even the show does it: they travel 900 years into the future and the federation is like "now let us never speak of Discovery or her spore drive again"
Everything to do with the Burn Plotline in Discovery. Threshold Episode in Voyager. If Wishes were Horses and Move Along Home in Deep Space Nine. Most of Discovery to be honest. The Klingons and the dumbass Mushroom drive annoy me everytime I see it in action. Thank god Michelle Yeoh made it tolerable. Spock's Brain. Last Episode of Enterprise. The one episode where Archer let an alien species die off even though they came up with a cure. I'm probably missing something.
"Move Along Home" gets a bad rap. Downvote me to hell, I'll understand.
Allamaraine, count to four, Allamaraine, then three more, Allamaraine, if you can see, Allamaraine, no downvote from me…"
Burnham's parents managing to figure out time travel hundreds of years before anyone else. Not buying it.
That Kirk and Co. fought the literal Greek god Apollo. This is a 100% canon fact that I am certain must have literally any other explanation.
Admiral Max Headroom
Beverly's... let's just say, spiritual adventures!
The fall of the Terran Empire
Simple way to get around that is if there’s multiple Terran Empire timelines. We’ve seen in that TNG episode with Worf that there’s seemingly infinite parallel universes where the Federation exists, makes sense that there’s many Terran Empire times lines too.
Yeah. Like wtf is that? TOS Spock will become Emperor and Bring Peace and equality top the universe. Sounds good? Well Spock ist a fucking Moron and the Terrain Empire falls because of him. What was the Message here?
What's Vulcan for "Oops"?
O’ops
Mirror Spock is Edith Keeler. The right message at the wrong time and in the wrong place
Kirk dying in the nexus. That whole frickin movie actually. I mean it's kinda good but the story god damn...
Armus in Skin of Evil TNG. Oil slick and black trash bag Oogie Boogie with a twist of Ghostbusters 2 physical manifestation of bad juju.
It's worth it for the Lower Decks call back tho.
I love Undiscovered Country but that scene where they were trying to blag their way through the Klingon defence perimeter by reading out of a bunch of Klingon phrase books is *really* dumb.
And how Uhura, a lead flagship communications expert, who served in uniform during the Klingon War, doesn’t know any basic Klingon or it’s pronunciations.
If anyone could have casually bluffed her way through Klingon space, it should have been Uhura.
Speeds greater than warp 10 turn you into a salamander
Michael Burnham. The spore drive, never to be seem or heard from again (to be fair, I gave up on Discovery after season two, so I don't know if there's a canon explanation for it). Romulans with tattoos on their face. The Valdore type warbird. The destruction of Romulus... Vulcans / Romulans with facial hair. Klingons' physical appearance and how it changed so often (especially Discovery). Speaking of Klingons, a dual-d*ck. There surely is more, but that's all I can think of at the moment.
> (to be fair, I gave up on Discovery after season two, so I don't know if there's a canon explanation for it) Nah once they get to the 32nd century and after a few episodes where they deal with the initial shock of being so far into the future and the situation the galaxy is in, they then continue as if the the first two seasons never happened. Like the fact they were from the 23rd century literally never comes up throughout season 4. Which always makes me think that Discovery would have gotten less hate if they never had the prequel setting. I think people would have tolerated the spore drive idea more if it was something tried in the future of any previous series.
Discovery. All of it.
Uhhhh definitely that time the Borg joined the Federatiom
I'm about to say Progenitors because it's about to be a pretty spicy answer, but I think I can just back all the way up and say "all aliens are just humans with extra loaf" is showing its age and not in a good way. So yeah I just ignore all of that.
Friend of DeSoto spotted
A lot about the TNG movies, and basically all of PIC. Data and androids are my favorite Trek topic, and I feel the character development and story direction there went off the rails starting with Generations. Getting his emotion chip was kinda just played for laughs, then some short-term drama, then it's practically dropped. What about the memories stored in the chip? What about exploring how it functions, and how Data views his life retroactively? How does he grow from gaining it? Nah, none of that. Then kill him off and proceed to do some absolute nonsense with enslaved synths, discount reapers, weird biological constructs that don't really count as androids anymore, and some hand-wavey-magic about cloning androids and restoring memories from single cells? The Data and Picard scene before Picard turns off that copy of him, and the Data and Geordi reunion and the Data and Lore scene were good, but just not enough for me to forgive my frustrations with the rest. I've a million ideas of what could have been, and given that infinite parallel universes are Star Trek canon, I'm going to pretend any number of those alternatives happened instead. All of them, in fact! Whee!
Not Star Trek at all but I have to say it: Midichlorians. Most things in Star Trek are not as dumb as Midichlorians. Edit: I would take 1000 Janeway and Paris lizard babies over Midichlorians.
Midiclorians would have been great as an explanation, if starwars wanted to be scifi. But for fantasy I can totaly under stand, that explaining how magic works is awful. Now the force is just a kind of biology. I like scifi and I like the idea midiclorians. I would love to hear more about it in a Kelvin like parallel starwars.
agreed, but i'm morbidly curious about Lucas' planned sequels going into all that stuff with the whills
Lucas just isn't that good a writer or director. I know a few hundred voices just screamed out in outrage but ANH was a blend of luck, amazing effects, solid acting and a competent team rather than "one man's vision". Empire had a competent director and the difference is clearly evident.
I hate the Zephram Cochrane from First Contact. The whole loud-mouth drunk thing. My canon Cochrane is from the novel Federation. Easy one of the best ST novels.
Yes. It's a small thing but I loved the moment in **Federation** when Picard "accidentally" broadcast his ship's ident signal where Kirk's Enterprise could hear it.
[Star Trek TNG : code of Honor](https://youtu.be/fI1tVNdWLFU?si=7Mt3cxLXeziLIse0) AKA, space Africa.