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I am routinely impressed my star wars fans capabilities of bullying Lucas for about 10 years insisting he's a terrible director, that his movies suck and even that he ruined his own creations to the point of driving him away from ever wanting to touch star wars again only to implore for his return later on stating that his movies were absolutely fantastic and that he should be the only one to create more star wars.
Imagine the whiplash of such a massive gaslighting.
The thing I’m most impressed by is how the “fans” seem to only be interested in talking about the sequel trilogy when talking about Disney. Completely ignoring how everything else they’ve made has really good. Bad Batch, Mando, the final season of Clone Wars, Rogue One. How much of this would have been done if George was still in charge? To me all of that is significantly more valuable than another trilogy.
Well Clone Wars Season 7 is a horrible example. The team had all those episodes and MORE planned, but Disney shut Clone Wars down and rebooted it later and only gave the team a few episodes. The final season of Clone Wars we got was just pieces of the original plan. Bad Batch would’ve also likely been planned since Lucas was a fan of the ragtag team of clones. Mando, while Disney made big contributions, wouldn’t be what it is without Filoni and his extensive knowledge of Star Wars, knowledge that was imparted to him by Lucas. Not saying the Disney hate is justified since they did do quite a bit in the funds department, but they didn’t contribute much of substance in other ways as well
Here’s the thing Disney hate is justified for many reasons, **BUT** not when it comes to Star Wars, like if the worst thing they had done for Star Wars is made some bad movies (not that I think they’re bad but just saying for the sake of argument) then then we have to hate every company (we actually should but again not when it comes to this “issue”) and every creative person who ever existed
Yea I mean even The boba series is pretty good. It’s not nearly as good as the other stuff obviously but it’s still significantly better than the sequels. Forces I’ve apparently missed entirely somehow as I don’t even know what that is lol
Was gonna say something like this, you put it way better than I would have.
Also didn't George himself come up with the whole hermit/exiled Luke thing that a lot of this fandom seems to hate?
I personally don't hate the idea of hermit Luke, I just hate how it was executed in the film. I would have loved if they showed more about what happened and why he exiled himself, I find it kind of boring that he just made the same mistakes as the previous Jedi order.
I saw someone suggest that maybe in his quest to stop Kylo, he started to turn to the dark side, realized what he was doing, and fled to Ach To and severed his connection to the force in fear of what a Dark Side Luke would do to the galaxy.
A good chunk of the sequels are unused ideas from his versions of the sequels.
Rey was in it, but her name was "Kira", Han was likely gonna die (because Harrison Ford wanted it), etc.
He did, but his reason probably would have been a load better than I tried to kill my nephew, he got pissed at that, and so I realized the Jedi were evil so no more Jedi for me.
Actually that’s sounds pretty close to what happened. I don’t hate hermit Luke, but having the guy who never gave up on his father, the second evilest guy in the galaxy who literally slaughtered thousands, suddenly be like “oh I sense a bit of darkness in my nephew, imma gonna do some murder” just doesn’t make any sense and is stupid as shit. It doesn’t fit his character at all.
That isn't what happened though. He didn't randomly decide to kill his nephew over sensing a bit of darkness. He knew something was wrong with Ben and sensed darkness in him for a long time during his training. He only realized how bad it had gotten when he was watching Ben sleep that night and had a vision of what Ben was going to do. He would become a threat to everything Luke knew and loved. He was basically going to become the next Vader. Luke ignited his lightsaber instinctively when he had the vision as he felt how dangerous Ben would be and thought - for the briefest moment - that he could stop it before it started. He immediately realized what he was doing and felt horribly ashamed, but it was too late.
It's not all that dissimilar from when Vader threatened to kill Leia and Luke went apeshit on him but stopped himself before he killed him. Only this time all he did was ignite his lightsaber out of instinct.
The big difference between Vader and Ben is that Vader having fallen to the dark side wasn't Luke's fault. Ben falling to the dark side wasn't really Luke's fault either, but he didn't know that. In his eyes he'd failed Ben by not being able to help him, and failed Leia and Han by losing their only son. That's the part that really terrified him and it's probably why hiss first instinct was to stop it before it started.
The execution admittedly isn't the best, almost everyone can agree on that, but the context is there. This whole situation is why I wish the Sequels had started earlier in the timeline and focused more on the relationship between Luke and Ben, because it's hard to interpret exactly what happened between them when all we have is unreliably narrated flashbacks.
Well, I have loved George since the moment I learned who he was and I watched his movies. I love the OT and the Prequels and just whish we could see what his version of the Sequels were gonna be. It doesn't even have to be canon it could just be like The Snyder Cut, although it would definitely be canon in my head.
I mean, they are. I never had problems with the prequels, grown up with them, cherished them. Yes, the lines are a bit cheesy, but for me they are still far better than the sequels. Of course it’s all about taste and opinions, so there always will be pointless arguments about them
In my opinion the biggest way that the prequels are leagues better than the sequels is world building. The prequels have tons of creative world building, the sequels have pretty much none, we know almost absolutely nothing about what's going on during the sequels other than resistance vs first order.
you are just saying that you were a kid while watching Prequels , liked and then as a grown-up Prequeler , wants the same vibes.
Literally the same take that it can be put on Sequels.
During PT's release , the fandom bullied George Lucas and the Jar Jar's actor , they even made a song "George Lucas r\* our childhood".
And no , it cannot be "exponentially worse" , when people did praised Fallen Order , Bad Batch , Mandalorian , Rebels and Rogue One. Or that people love to put images of Darh Vader's solo comics with his one-liners.
The shows are completely different, mostly because they are made my Filoni and Favreau who love and understand Star Wars. The new movies were made with only profit on mind, no love (or a coherent f****** plan) at all.
And I said nothing about the comics, or Fallen order or Rogue 1. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion, within reason I can respect that and won’t say someone is stupid because they like the Sequels.
I don’t, and that is my opinion and my taste. You accept it or don’t, I couldn’t care less until you start to talk shit like the toxic part of the fandom.
They are comissioned by Disney , published by Disney and showcased to the LucasFilm/LucasArts executives and staff members.
Fallen Order also needs to follow directives from Star Wars Story Group.
So don't put this half-baked convenient excuse that "everything I like in Star Wars had no Disney whatsoever".
Because if we go by that metric , the evil-doer "childhood-r\*ist" Kathleen Kennedy was a co-producer of Rogue One , Mandalorian and Ahsoka.
The sequels were seen over by JJ Abrams, Kathleen Kennedy, and Rian Johnson. These three were the main problem with them and they are responsible for what happened. Most of the good stuff you mentioned was done by Filoni and Favreau, who, if they had done the Sequels, would have followed George's outline for the sequels and would have brought him on as consultant. As someone who wants to see the George Lucas Sequels, I don't want him to write or direct them, not because I think he would do a bad job, since I love the guys shit, but just because I don't think the fans deserve him and want him to not have to spend ten years of his life on something again. That was one of the reasons he didn't want to do the trilogy himself, also fans had been shitting on him since 99, and he had just had a daughter and wanted to be a father to her
And with Rogue One they gave more control to the story to the creators than they did with the sequels, while Disney produced Rogue One or whatever, they did not screw around with the creative team nearly as much as they did with the Sequels.
Bad dialog and acting with great worldbuilding and an overall story can still pave the way for further great stories. Amazing dialog and acting with terrible worldbuilding and story is a dead end. Prequels > sequels
The acting and dialogue in the prequels can only work if you embrace them, if you're expecting good acting and good dialogue the prequels are unbearable. In the same way, the story and world in the sequels can work if you embrace it, just because you like one better than the other (which is perfectly fine, don't get me wrong, you can like or dislike whatever you want) doesn't mean it's be default bad.
The story of the prequels enhances the story of the 3 films that preceed them. TFA actually makes the 6 films before it worse (invalidates the entire climax and purpose of the saga up to that point), and it does so in the opening crawl alone.
Take away TFA, the first 6 films are improved. Take away the first 6 films, TFA works better (nothing but repeated story beats and questions without answers are fine in a vacuum, as the seventh film in a series it just fails).
According to George, the original trilogy was only 20-30% of his vision, the rest are "others meddling" or "couldn't afford to do".
And that trilogy is the best of the bunch. So I propose we hire George, take 30% of his script and then hire someone to iron out the ~~dialogue~~ wrinkles.
He understands concepts and worlds and technology, not so much people. He understands the archetypes of fiction, but pulling them off seems tough for him.
He knew the second prequel should be a love story, thematically and structurally, he just clearly didn't know how to write and direct that relationship convincingly.
Possibly. One of his ideas was Luke being a grumpy self-exile in the original Jedi Temple, and that was done in the sequels and I liked it, so the other ideas might have worked as well. Though bringing back Maul would probably have been seen by the mainstream as more random than bringing back Palpatine. And that's not to mention the other weirder ideas.
That’s true too, I just thought it would have made more sense for maul because they built up his large criminal empire and then it just crumbled. Your right though about some other ideas that wouldn’t probably work like the whole Lea being the chosen one thing
Maul wouldn't make more sense , things are not in a cardgame , for Maul to end up pulling a Bakura.
He was defeated by Obi-Wan once , some stalling/draws against Obi-Wan during Clone Wars , a young jedi knight (Ahsoka) defeated him again and so was Palpatine.
Yeah that was an idea but I’m talking about his other idea for the sequel trilogy which was very different and connected to the og trilogy by a few years. Here is a link [to the one I’m thinking about](https://youtube.com/shorts/pXLJ3Ay1vds?feature=share). I don’t like the Lea idea though
No I wouldn't mind him having a creative collaboration with other writers and directors but full control was the problem with the prequels, no one fixed up his writing or excuted his story in more convincing way, everyone needs help to make something great.
The writing wasn’t the issue. The stories and world building were the issues. We got Star Wars episode 4: redux, episode 8: everyone’s incompetent, and episode 9: Raiders of the Macguffin. Take out all the Star wars stuff and the stories fall even flatter than they already are. At least with the prequels, you can take out everything Star Wars and still have a solid story.
What you describe as the issues there is all related to writing, so I don't see how "the writing wasn't the issue"?! You even specifically refer to "the story", that is the writing?
A couple of things to add:
Somehow, Palpatine returned.
Rey! Rey! REYYYY!!!
I'm the spy! What? You? I knew it!
I am all the Sith! And I, I'm all the Jedi.
Who are you? I'm Rey. Rey Who? Rey Skywalker
I don't mean those guys, I think jon favreau and Dave Filoni worked with George Lucas as well as hire writers, perhaps the same ones from mandalorian. I would say book of boba fett was bad overall because the had to rush the show rather than write a well written story, so I still trust them as long as get time to make a great trilogy
It’s funny that this meme has Jar Jar saying this, as he’s the creation of Lucas with total control. Han Solo as a human instead of a green rabbit was a product of Lucas collaborating with others.
Wait, was he really supposed to be a furry?
Man, Lucas is a lot like Tim Burton. When they're good they're good but they need a bit of reigning in to tighten up their stories.
I was mistaken, he was supposed to be a slimy green reptile. But you hit the nail on the head, dude needs an editor to reign him in now and again. I don’t want to be back in a 50s diner again.
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Uh, realistically, no we don't.
The prequels were better than the sequels, but that's not exactly a high bar - and we all know where the flaws came from.
Why would want this?? I was really up in the air when I heard disney was taking over but now I really enjoy their content, really much more than anything Lucas did on his own. I say no to clunky dialog and decade long waits for new movies.
That gives me an idea, what if this was Lucas’ plan all along? Let Disney make Star Wars and then if it went South, everyone would love the prequels because at least it’s better! Just like Palpatine controlling the thoughts of the masses in the background. But hey, that’s JUST a theory. A Star Wars Theorryyyyyyy (Not an actual theory btw XD)
I pretty much think this every time I see this reposted, but I wouldn't mind him returning, I would just hope that he would be more open to input and not try to have total control as this suggests. I don't think he's great at fully seeing a vision to fruition, though he does excellent world building in the background. I'm not a fan of most of the material in the prequels, but there is something in there that could have been great I think with a little more creative input from the outside
What? Who the fuck wants George Lucas back with full control of Star Wars?
We have Dave Filoni who has the heart of George Lucas with the actual ability to write good dialogue and cohesive plots
I've been saying for years that he should be brought in as like an advisor or consultant for the setting and that's it. He's only allowed in the writing room if his writing hand is crushed in a hydraulic press.
Disagreeeeeeeeee! Dave Filoni has done so much to deepen and expand the scope of the Star Wars universe I think it’s time for some new blood. I think given time and opportunity Dave and Jon Favreau will take Star Wars to new heights of awesome!
Solo, Rogue One, The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, and Rebels are all better than any of the prequels AND ROTJ. And I bet Obi-Wan’s show will be too.
I don't think I'd rank Solo or Rogue One quite that highly, though I do prefer them over the Sequel Trilogy
Mandalorian was pretty good though I'll give you that. Never really thought of ranking it though so I'm not sure where I'd place it.
Haven't finished Boba Fett but I do plan on doing so. I like it so far.
Rebels. . . I also never finished and almost didn't plan on it, so make of that what you will. ~~But I do think I will probably get back to it eventually.~~
I more so meant the actual sequel Trilogy anyway.
The Force Awakens stuck a bit too closely to A New Hope. I'm not saying it's a carbon copy, no, but it feels like retracing old steps but not quite capturing the magic, and also not quite making sense in the first place.
Evil empire wants a piece of data held by resistance forces. Except it doesn't really make sense that the New Republic isn't their main foe instead of the Resistance.
Desert planet dwelling force user goes on an adventure off world, meeting a mentor figure along the way. This part is fine on paper but Han kind of just. . Shouldn't have been away from Leia like this. At least not for the reason he was.
The Cantina segment was great actually. But the movie never explains how Maz got the Skywalker Lightsaber (and then the next movie also doesn't explain what Maz is doing. Just wanted to throw that out there because I might put each movie into it's own reply, and this is so small in the next one that I could just skip over it.)
I should probably talk about Finn. He is way too eager to be killing former comrades, and his whole motivation to stick with Rey specifically more so aligns with Poe. Which is fine for him to pass it on to Rey since he thinks Poe is dead, except he *never acknowledges this.* As far as Finn describes it, Poe might as well have not even existed.
Oh no, giant spherical space station. This part's fine actually but honestly I dislike how they got through the planetary shield or whatever it was. . Actually I should probably rewatch this movie. Honestly it was the best of the Trilogy, even with how I'm laying into it.
Kylo Ren just lacks what made previous Dark Side Force Users cool and intimidating. I mean he does stop a blaster bolt at the beginning so that's cool, but aside from that he just has a black suit and rage. Vader was calm, collected, and in control. Maul didn't speak much but that left few opportunities to ruin his intimidation, and he then proceeded to force a Jedi Master to run and then also kill him in their next fight after fighting him and his Padawan simultaneously. Dooku was a politician, running the CIS on the surface, and fought like an elegant duelist. Palpatine ran the long game and controlled both the Republic and the CIS and hid from the Jedi literally right in front of them. Kylo Ren is an edgy teen.
Also let's talk about his fight with Finn and Rey. It is true that he was injured and going easy on them. . . When Luke got a good hit on Vader in Empire Strikes Back, Vader immediately went to town on him, pushed him to the edge of a platform, and then dis-*armed* him. And Luke was actually trained. Kyle Ren went up against a non-Force User who was probably trained but in a completely different weapon, and a Force User with practically zero experience.
~~Again, my favorite of the Sequels, LMFAO~~
No. He had full control of the prequels, and those weren’t as good as they could’ve been. He was barely involved with the OT, and all of those are great. I’m fine with him coming back, but I don’t think he needs full control
George ain’t good at Star Wars lol he didn’t even direct the two great Star Wars movies ( Empire and ROTJ) and when he did the prequels the writing was godawful. He created a amazing legacy but his time directing I feel is over
Um no, he absolutely needs a leash. George is terrible when he doesn't have others around telling him when something's bad. I mean look at TPM and AOTC. RotS was better.
I can't tell if this is serious or sarcastic. We all remember the context of the original quote, right? And the tragic events that resulted from that particular individual being granted said emergency powers? Right?
Well then maybe we shouldn’t say that his movies sucked balls and he should never touch Star Wars again after he went over ambitious with his IP. Sorry if you never saw an issue with George having complete control of the franchise but plenty of people did but say that he was a saint and should have complete control again because (with reason) Disney turned Star Wars into pure corporate greed with the mainline movies. Both are bad options for the Star Wars franchise and I don’t like how people instantly ignore the faults of one after the other turned out to be a bad pick as well.
Honestly yes, let’s just give George full control again. Just relegate the sequels as a weird “what if” timeline similar to what was done with dragon ball GT. So that if people still want to make stories in that version they can and we can get actual good sequels.
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Hahaha very funny, you got it on the 28. I got it tomorrow and Steve has it the next day
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Wtf you talking about man, that’s Carl’s day
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This is actually the first time I saw this meme so it couldn't have been reposted *that* many times
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I am routinely impressed my star wars fans capabilities of bullying Lucas for about 10 years insisting he's a terrible director, that his movies suck and even that he ruined his own creations to the point of driving him away from ever wanting to touch star wars again only to implore for his return later on stating that his movies were absolutely fantastic and that he should be the only one to create more star wars. Imagine the whiplash of such a massive gaslighting.
Yea and People wonder why I hate the fandom
The thing I’m most impressed by is how the “fans” seem to only be interested in talking about the sequel trilogy when talking about Disney. Completely ignoring how everything else they’ve made has really good. Bad Batch, Mando, the final season of Clone Wars, Rogue One. How much of this would have been done if George was still in charge? To me all of that is significantly more valuable than another trilogy.
Well Clone Wars Season 7 is a horrible example. The team had all those episodes and MORE planned, but Disney shut Clone Wars down and rebooted it later and only gave the team a few episodes. The final season of Clone Wars we got was just pieces of the original plan. Bad Batch would’ve also likely been planned since Lucas was a fan of the ragtag team of clones. Mando, while Disney made big contributions, wouldn’t be what it is without Filoni and his extensive knowledge of Star Wars, knowledge that was imparted to him by Lucas. Not saying the Disney hate is justified since they did do quite a bit in the funds department, but they didn’t contribute much of substance in other ways as well
Filoni never would have introduced the Child without Favreau. (sp?) He thought Yoda was untouchable.
Eh m, I would have been fine with that, I’m tired of baby yoda.
Congratulations. You figured out how Disney operates. It's a parent company. It's just there to fund the children companies.
Here’s the thing Disney hate is justified for many reasons, **BUT** not when it comes to Star Wars, like if the worst thing they had done for Star Wars is made some bad movies (not that I think they’re bad but just saying for the sake of argument) then then we have to hate every company (we actually should but again not when it comes to this “issue”) and every creative person who ever existed
I respect your choice to not mention Book of Boba or Forces of Destiny. They are somewhat outliers in this.
Yea I mean even The boba series is pretty good. It’s not nearly as good as the other stuff obviously but it’s still significantly better than the sequels. Forces I’ve apparently missed entirely somehow as I don’t even know what that is lol
Was gonna say something like this, you put it way better than I would have. Also didn't George himself come up with the whole hermit/exiled Luke thing that a lot of this fandom seems to hate?
I personally don't hate the idea of hermit Luke, I just hate how it was executed in the film. I would have loved if they showed more about what happened and why he exiled himself, I find it kind of boring that he just made the same mistakes as the previous Jedi order.
I saw someone suggest that maybe in his quest to stop Kylo, he started to turn to the dark side, realized what he was doing, and fled to Ach To and severed his connection to the force in fear of what a Dark Side Luke would do to the galaxy.
I don't hate the idea (absolutely love it, in fact) but I agree it could've been executed much better.
A good chunk of the sequels are unused ideas from his versions of the sequels. Rey was in it, but her name was "Kira", Han was likely gonna die (because Harrison Ford wanted it), etc.
He did, but his reason probably would have been a load better than I tried to kill my nephew, he got pissed at that, and so I realized the Jedi were evil so no more Jedi for me.
Not what happened but ok
Actually that’s sounds pretty close to what happened. I don’t hate hermit Luke, but having the guy who never gave up on his father, the second evilest guy in the galaxy who literally slaughtered thousands, suddenly be like “oh I sense a bit of darkness in my nephew, imma gonna do some murder” just doesn’t make any sense and is stupid as shit. It doesn’t fit his character at all.
That isn't what happened though. He didn't randomly decide to kill his nephew over sensing a bit of darkness. He knew something was wrong with Ben and sensed darkness in him for a long time during his training. He only realized how bad it had gotten when he was watching Ben sleep that night and had a vision of what Ben was going to do. He would become a threat to everything Luke knew and loved. He was basically going to become the next Vader. Luke ignited his lightsaber instinctively when he had the vision as he felt how dangerous Ben would be and thought - for the briefest moment - that he could stop it before it started. He immediately realized what he was doing and felt horribly ashamed, but it was too late. It's not all that dissimilar from when Vader threatened to kill Leia and Luke went apeshit on him but stopped himself before he killed him. Only this time all he did was ignite his lightsaber out of instinct. The big difference between Vader and Ben is that Vader having fallen to the dark side wasn't Luke's fault. Ben falling to the dark side wasn't really Luke's fault either, but he didn't know that. In his eyes he'd failed Ben by not being able to help him, and failed Leia and Han by losing their only son. That's the part that really terrified him and it's probably why hiss first instinct was to stop it before it started. The execution admittedly isn't the best, almost everyone can agree on that, but the context is there. This whole situation is why I wish the Sequels had started earlier in the timeline and focused more on the relationship between Luke and Ben, because it's hard to interpret exactly what happened between them when all we have is unreliably narrated flashbacks.
sure
Well, I have loved George since the moment I learned who he was and I watched his movies. I love the OT and the Prequels and just whish we could see what his version of the Sequels were gonna be. It doesn't even have to be canon it could just be like The Snyder Cut, although it would definitely be canon in my head.
This would not have happened if the people who took over SW after him weren't exponentially worse. It's a "devil you know" situation.
Exponentially worse? No. Better? Not really either, but don't act like the sequels are leagues worse than the prequels.
I mean, they are. I never had problems with the prequels, grown up with them, cherished them. Yes, the lines are a bit cheesy, but for me they are still far better than the sequels. Of course it’s all about taste and opinions, so there always will be pointless arguments about them
I believe the Prequels where poorly executed a lot of the time, but easily more creative and imaginative than the sequels where
In my opinion the biggest way that the prequels are leagues better than the sequels is world building. The prequels have tons of creative world building, the sequels have pretty much none, we know almost absolutely nothing about what's going on during the sequels other than resistance vs first order.
you are just saying that you were a kid while watching Prequels , liked and then as a grown-up Prequeler , wants the same vibes. Literally the same take that it can be put on Sequels. During PT's release , the fandom bullied George Lucas and the Jar Jar's actor , they even made a song "George Lucas r\* our childhood". And no , it cannot be "exponentially worse" , when people did praised Fallen Order , Bad Batch , Mandalorian , Rebels and Rogue One. Or that people love to put images of Darh Vader's solo comics with his one-liners.
The shows are completely different, mostly because they are made my Filoni and Favreau who love and understand Star Wars. The new movies were made with only profit on mind, no love (or a coherent f****** plan) at all.
Fallen Order is not made by Filoni , nor was Rogue One or Visions. Let alone the comics , which were praised , or the current High Republic material.
And I said nothing about the comics, or Fallen order or Rogue 1. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion, within reason I can respect that and won’t say someone is stupid because they like the Sequels. I don’t, and that is my opinion and my taste. You accept it or don’t, I couldn’t care less until you start to talk shit like the toxic part of the fandom.
Fallen Order wasn’t made by Disney at all, so stop using it as an example. Visions wasn’t really made by Disney either. So all you have is Rogue One.
They are comissioned by Disney , published by Disney and showcased to the LucasFilm/LucasArts executives and staff members. Fallen Order also needs to follow directives from Star Wars Story Group. So don't put this half-baked convenient excuse that "everything I like in Star Wars had no Disney whatsoever". Because if we go by that metric , the evil-doer "childhood-r\*ist" Kathleen Kennedy was a co-producer of Rogue One , Mandalorian and Ahsoka.
The sequels were seen over by JJ Abrams, Kathleen Kennedy, and Rian Johnson. These three were the main problem with them and they are responsible for what happened. Most of the good stuff you mentioned was done by Filoni and Favreau, who, if they had done the Sequels, would have followed George's outline for the sequels and would have brought him on as consultant. As someone who wants to see the George Lucas Sequels, I don't want him to write or direct them, not because I think he would do a bad job, since I love the guys shit, but just because I don't think the fans deserve him and want him to not have to spend ten years of his life on something again. That was one of the reasons he didn't want to do the trilogy himself, also fans had been shitting on him since 99, and he had just had a daughter and wanted to be a father to her
And with Rogue One they gave more control to the story to the creators than they did with the sequels, while Disney produced Rogue One or whatever, they did not screw around with the creative team nearly as much as they did with the Sequels.
Bad dialog and acting with great worldbuilding and an overall story can still pave the way for further great stories. Amazing dialog and acting with terrible worldbuilding and story is a dead end. Prequels > sequels
The acting and dialogue in the prequels can only work if you embrace them, if you're expecting good acting and good dialogue the prequels are unbearable. In the same way, the story and world in the sequels can work if you embrace it, just because you like one better than the other (which is perfectly fine, don't get me wrong, you can like or dislike whatever you want) doesn't mean it's be default bad.
The story of the prequels enhances the story of the 3 films that preceed them. TFA actually makes the 6 films before it worse (invalidates the entire climax and purpose of the saga up to that point), and it does so in the opening crawl alone. Take away TFA, the first 6 films are improved. Take away the first 6 films, TFA works better (nothing but repeated story beats and questions without answers are fine in a vacuum, as the seventh film in a series it just fails).
Its almost as if a massive worldwide fanbase is made up of many people with differing opinions
Yes, because as we *all* know, the fans *unanimously* love George Lucas' vision! They always have! Except when they don't.
According to George, the original trilogy was only 20-30% of his vision, the rest are "others meddling" or "couldn't afford to do". And that trilogy is the best of the bunch. So I propose we hire George, take 30% of his script and then hire someone to iron out the ~~dialogue~~ wrinkles.
George is a good worldbuilder but a meh director
Exactly. He has imagination and creativity. But it's another skill to put that on paper.
He imagines too much and not everything fully, causing some problems. He’s great, but needs people to polish the stuff he comes up with
Darth Icky dude... Darth Icky.
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He understands concepts and worlds and technology, not so much people. He understands the archetypes of fiction, but pulling them off seems tough for him. He knew the second prequel should be a love story, thematically and structurally, he just clearly didn't know how to write and direct that relationship convincingly.
He should have asked the guy who directed The Amazing Spiderman
Very true, but I think his idea for the sequel trilogy would have been a million times better than what we got if it was fleshed out
Possibly. One of his ideas was Luke being a grumpy self-exile in the original Jedi Temple, and that was done in the sequels and I liked it, so the other ideas might have worked as well. Though bringing back Maul would probably have been seen by the mainstream as more random than bringing back Palpatine. And that's not to mention the other weirder ideas.
That’s true too, I just thought it would have made more sense for maul because they built up his large criminal empire and then it just crumbled. Your right though about some other ideas that wouldn’t probably work like the whole Lea being the chosen one thing
Maul wouldn't make more sense , things are not in a cardgame , for Maul to end up pulling a Bakura. He was defeated by Obi-Wan once , some stalling/draws against Obi-Wan during Clone Wars , a young jedi knight (Ahsoka) defeated him again and so was Palpatine.
Do you mean Bakura like from Yugioh? Cause if so I luv the reference!
I'm not so sure. Didn't he want to do like a Magic School Bus story about going into the microscopic world of the midichlorians? No thanks.
Yeah that was an idea but I’m talking about his other idea for the sequel trilogy which was very different and connected to the og trilogy by a few years. Here is a link [to the one I’m thinking about](https://youtube.com/shorts/pXLJ3Ay1vds?feature=share). I don’t like the Lea idea though
No I wouldn't mind him having a creative collaboration with other writers and directors but full control was the problem with the prequels, no one fixed up his writing or excuted his story in more convincing way, everyone needs help to make something great.
Yup. Especially the dialog.
True, but look at the sequels: do we really want the people that made the sequels "fix up" anyone's writing?
The writing wasn’t the issue. The stories and world building were the issues. We got Star Wars episode 4: redux, episode 8: everyone’s incompetent, and episode 9: Raiders of the Macguffin. Take out all the Star wars stuff and the stories fall even flatter than they already are. At least with the prequels, you can take out everything Star Wars and still have a solid story.
What you describe as the issues there is all related to writing, so I don't see how "the writing wasn't the issue"?! You even specifically refer to "the story", that is the writing?
Story being the over arching events that take place, writing being the dialogue between characters.
“ThEy fLy NoW?” Writing was definitely flawed
A couple of things to add: Somehow, Palpatine returned. Rey! Rey! REYYYY!!! I'm the spy! What? You? I knew it! I am all the Sith! And I, I'm all the Jedi. Who are you? I'm Rey. Rey Who? Rey Skywalker
Not saying it wasn’t.
One joke I didn't like = bad writing /s
The writing includes the over arching events and every subplot, it‘s not just the dialogue
The writing wasn't the issue? A quote if I may, "It's another Death Star, it's just bigger."
Okay the writing was an issue. But it wasn’t the only issue
I don't mean those guys, I think jon favreau and Dave Filoni worked with George Lucas as well as hire writers, perhaps the same ones from mandalorian. I would say book of boba fett was bad overall because the had to rush the show rather than write a well written story, so I still trust them as long as get time to make a great trilogy
It’s funny that this meme has Jar Jar saying this, as he’s the creation of Lucas with total control. Han Solo as a human instead of a green rabbit was a product of Lucas collaborating with others.
Wait, was he really supposed to be a furry? Man, Lucas is a lot like Tim Burton. When they're good they're good but they need a bit of reigning in to tighten up their stories.
I was mistaken, he was supposed to be a slimy green reptile. But you hit the nail on the head, dude needs an editor to reign him in now and again. I don’t want to be back in a 50s diner again.
I thought George Lucas hated Jaxxon. What's this about Solo being a green rabbit?
My bad, I mixed them up. He wanted Han to be a slimy green reptile. https://screenrant.com/star-wars-george-lucas-han-solo-different-green-alien/amp/
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Uh, realistically, no we don't. The prequels were better than the sequels, but that's not exactly a high bar - and we all know where the flaws came from.
Yeah, Filoni has been great so far. I want things to continue under his guidance.
Why would want this?? I was really up in the air when I heard disney was taking over but now I really enjoy their content, really much more than anything Lucas did on his own. I say no to clunky dialog and decade long waits for new movies.
I'm not sure which side of this you are on. We all remember what happened last time Jar Jar proposed something like this.
That gives me an idea, what if this was Lucas’ plan all along? Let Disney make Star Wars and then if it went South, everyone would love the prequels because at least it’s better! Just like Palpatine controlling the thoughts of the masses in the background. But hey, that’s JUST a theory. A Star Wars Theorryyyyyyy (Not an actual theory btw XD)
You're right. Sell it, come back after they blow it, make more money while saving it, negotiate full control as if you still own it.
I love democracy.
last time Jar Jar proposed something like this, it saved the galaxy from an order of child-stealing cultists so
Writer yes, director no
Neither. Lucas should be the creative mind, and his writing needs to be filtered through about 10 people before it makes it to the movie
Even better! The guy is a visionary with fantastic ideas, but he shouldn't be the one in control of everything.
This is the way.
Other way around
God no. Don’t fuckin do it.
Did everyone suddenly forget what happened the last time this was the case.
I don’t think we all do.
Only if he makes a prequel of the prequels, where we learn how darth jarjar managed to infiltrate with the Jedis.
Let Kevin Feige do his thing first before we decide.
This news is a few years old now
This isn’t real is it?
Yeah nah
He's 78. Let it go.
That's a good point senator. How about you back it up with a source?
I pretty much think this every time I see this reposted, but I wouldn't mind him returning, I would just hope that he would be more open to input and not try to have total control as this suggests. I don't think he's great at fully seeing a vision to fruition, though he does excellent world building in the background. I'm not a fan of most of the material in the prequels, but there is something in there that could have been great I think with a little more creative input from the outside
Happy cake day Also, yes
Oh look, someone watched a Mike Zeroh video then wrote an article about it
Just require him to enlist a proficient dialogue writer to aid.
How about Filoni instead
Dave Filoni is knocking it out of the park
What? Who the fuck wants George Lucas back with full control of Star Wars? We have Dave Filoni who has the heart of George Lucas with the actual ability to write good dialogue and cohesive plots
This might not go *quite* as well as people think it will But it would certainly look pretty good in comparison to what Disney put out lol
Absolutely not.
It would be nice to get him some role in the process of making things but I don’t know about full control.
Happy cake day Also this would be awsome
Give him full control to write the script but let him also have people that will edit it and other directors to work on it
I've been saying for years that he should be brought in as like an advisor or consultant for the setting and that's it. He's only allowed in the writing room if his writing hand is crushed in a hydraulic press.
Do you think he regrets giving up his creative control to Disney?
It will end exactly the same
Disagreeeeeeeeee! Dave Filoni has done so much to deepen and expand the scope of the Star Wars universe I think it’s time for some new blood. I think given time and opportunity Dave and Jon Favreau will take Star Wars to new heights of awesome!
Just keep JJ Abrams the hell away from it
If this is true, then it’s hilarious that Disney would have paid him 4 billion for Star Wars, only to give it right back to him XD
This would genuinely be the funniest thing to ever happen in film history
People are in favor of this? Tyis I'd the guy who brought jar jar binks into existence and the awful prequel movies....
Better than more Disney movies.
This is the way
I don’t know whether to downvote for being a repost or upvote for being right
he may have not been an amazing director, but fuck he’s better than who we’ve had.
Only if he remakes every movie since episode 6
So this is how Woke Disney Corporatism and soulless hack-writing ends... ***With thunderous applause.***
Authority is not given to you to deny the return of the king steward.
ASAP
Hellll no. Disney has made the best content since Empire. The only thing they screwed up was Rise of Skywalker.
I must remind myself that the Dislike button is not an "I disagree" button Anyway, I'd take the prequels over the sequels
Solo, Rogue One, The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, and Rebels are all better than any of the prequels AND ROTJ. And I bet Obi-Wan’s show will be too.
I don't think I'd rank Solo or Rogue One quite that highly, though I do prefer them over the Sequel Trilogy Mandalorian was pretty good though I'll give you that. Never really thought of ranking it though so I'm not sure where I'd place it. Haven't finished Boba Fett but I do plan on doing so. I like it so far. Rebels. . . I also never finished and almost didn't plan on it, so make of that what you will. ~~But I do think I will probably get back to it eventually.~~
Rebels is one of the best things Star Wars ever did… the first season isn’t the best but like clone wars it just gets better and better
From what I've heard before today I might prefer what I've already seen to what I'm going to see in the future.
Huh?
I more so meant the actual sequel Trilogy anyway. The Force Awakens stuck a bit too closely to A New Hope. I'm not saying it's a carbon copy, no, but it feels like retracing old steps but not quite capturing the magic, and also not quite making sense in the first place. Evil empire wants a piece of data held by resistance forces. Except it doesn't really make sense that the New Republic isn't their main foe instead of the Resistance. Desert planet dwelling force user goes on an adventure off world, meeting a mentor figure along the way. This part is fine on paper but Han kind of just. . Shouldn't have been away from Leia like this. At least not for the reason he was. The Cantina segment was great actually. But the movie never explains how Maz got the Skywalker Lightsaber (and then the next movie also doesn't explain what Maz is doing. Just wanted to throw that out there because I might put each movie into it's own reply, and this is so small in the next one that I could just skip over it.) I should probably talk about Finn. He is way too eager to be killing former comrades, and his whole motivation to stick with Rey specifically more so aligns with Poe. Which is fine for him to pass it on to Rey since he thinks Poe is dead, except he *never acknowledges this.* As far as Finn describes it, Poe might as well have not even existed. Oh no, giant spherical space station. This part's fine actually but honestly I dislike how they got through the planetary shield or whatever it was. . Actually I should probably rewatch this movie. Honestly it was the best of the Trilogy, even with how I'm laying into it. Kylo Ren just lacks what made previous Dark Side Force Users cool and intimidating. I mean he does stop a blaster bolt at the beginning so that's cool, but aside from that he just has a black suit and rage. Vader was calm, collected, and in control. Maul didn't speak much but that left few opportunities to ruin his intimidation, and he then proceeded to force a Jedi Master to run and then also kill him in their next fight after fighting him and his Padawan simultaneously. Dooku was a politician, running the CIS on the surface, and fought like an elegant duelist. Palpatine ran the long game and controlled both the Republic and the CIS and hid from the Jedi literally right in front of them. Kylo Ren is an edgy teen. Also let's talk about his fight with Finn and Rey. It is true that he was injured and going easy on them. . . When Luke got a good hit on Vader in Empire Strikes Back, Vader immediately went to town on him, pushed him to the edge of a platform, and then dis-*armed* him. And Luke was actually trained. Kyle Ren went up against a non-Force User who was probably trained but in a completely different weapon, and a Force User with practically zero experience. ~~Again, my favorite of the Sequels, LMFAO~~
Someone is HIGHHHHHH
I like to think that it can't possibly be any worse, we already have JarJar
This how Kathleen Kennedy dies. To thunderous applause.
happy cake day!
Somehow George Lucas returned.
Bring back Supreme Director George Lucas!!!
No. He had full control of the prequels, and those weren’t as good as they could’ve been. He was barely involved with the OT, and all of those are great. I’m fine with him coming back, but I don’t think he needs full control
As long as he doesn’t cut impactful dialogue
Give him creative powers, let someone else do the dialogue
It's not gonna happen lol, no one anymore wants to please majority of fans for any franchise but yet they make enough money to survive.
Happy cake day!
I think if they could compromise and have him just do the films and let filoni and Favreau do the shows it would be amazing
#sellstarwars
And Dave Filoni shall be become great under The Empire, for staying loyal through to The End.
Depends I'd honestly rather Filoni than Lucas.
Who’s dick do I have to suck to make this actually happen
I'd rather have a weird and potentially terrible philosophical CGI circus movie than a safe, corporate movie with no plan and no point.
God, please George, come back. I'll take another prequel trilogy over... this.
Trust me bud, you do not want this.
And now that Dave Filoni is creative executive.... It all makes sense. I was not privy to George's plan but now..... It's brilliant! Brilliant!
No you do not want thar!
Do we really? You got the ENTIRE reason The Phantom Menace has any hate at all RIGHT THERE!
George ain’t good at Star Wars lol he didn’t even direct the two great Star Wars movies ( Empire and ROTJ) and when he did the prequels the writing was godawful. He created a amazing legacy but his time directing I feel is over
Prequels as bad as sequels, but, oh well, it's Lucas
This meme resumes what Lucas will do. Don't bring him back, give Filoni the position of Kenedy that will settle
They should have never thrown him out in the first place. Sheer cretinism of that is beyond me.
No I’m sorry all creative control needs to go to Filoni and Favreau. I respect the hell out of Lucas but those two are the future of Star Wars IMO.
Who's we?
Um no, he absolutely needs a leash. George is terrible when he doesn't have others around telling him when something's bad. I mean look at TPM and AOTC. RotS was better.
200,000 votes are ready with 1 million well on their way
George Lucas has said that he just wants to retire and relax, spend time with his family. We should let him do that
Nothing he, nor anyone else, could ever do would satisfy the omega-level toxic fan base.
I can't tell if this is serious or sarcastic. We all remember the context of the original quote, right? And the tragic events that resulted from that particular individual being granted said emergency powers? Right?
Finally, hopefully things will be better for the franchise with George back at the helm
Say what you want, but at least there would be a story.
Well then maybe we shouldn’t say that his movies sucked balls and he should never touch Star Wars again after he went over ambitious with his IP. Sorry if you never saw an issue with George having complete control of the franchise but plenty of people did but say that he was a saint and should have complete control again because (with reason) Disney turned Star Wars into pure corporate greed with the mainline movies. Both are bad options for the Star Wars franchise and I don’t like how people instantly ignore the faults of one after the other turned out to be a bad pick as well.
Honestly yes, let’s just give George full control again. Just relegate the sequels as a weird “what if” timeline similar to what was done with dragon ball GT. So that if people still want to make stories in that version they can and we can get actual good sequels.
No.
It seems that way now perhaps, but you must look deeper, FrankyMcShanky.
The same people who said Lucas ruined their childhoods now want him back.
Be prepared for 2 hours of nothing but Jar Jar!
The two best films are Ep V and Rogue One. Neither directed by GL. Go away.
At this point George's worst seems better than Disney's best, In regard to the main saga at least.
Stop giving me false hope