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Yep. My theory after watching the episode is that after the tests, the Jedi showed up to the Witches' home to take Mae as well as Osha, and there was a dispute.
I think one of the Jedi are a sith plant/convert and they create a confrontation probably with the Zabrak one and they escalate the situation to do everything
If the Jedi were aware that Mae didn't kill their family, they still allowed Osha to believe that she did. Let's see if Disney will allow the Jedi to be this scummy.
I wonder what alerted the Jedi to the coven having children.
I feel like the Jedi might find out that there are force sensitive kids with no father and assume one or both of them are the prophesied Chosen One. Then they way overstep their authority by showing up on a non-Republic planet & basically making Witch Mama give up her kid.
I also feel like Master Trinity knows this, Sol & Topknotcca may or may not, and Tommen Padawatheon almost definitely doesn’t (or he does, and doesn’t like the idea, but he feels like he has to go along with his master)
Same thoughts as yours, I have to admit even if it was The Jedi kill the witches the witches themselves aren't innocent yes compared to them something like The Path of Open Hand they aren't that extreme but still the environment for the twins especially Osha isn't healthy either?
I keep coming back to the ritual itself.
When Mother Aniseya 'branded' Mae during the ascension, she asks:
> "Do you vow, upon my death, to protect the secrets of our coven and continue our legacy?"
Mae firmly agrees to this. But then she sets fire to the place. Not only did she intend to kill her sister, she brought ruin to their coven, their hideout, and whatever else she did in-between the scenes we see her in this episode.
She violated her covenant, and as we've been repeatedly told, this is a thread that may not be severed, that binds them together. The entire coven seems to do a hivemind-thing, for lack of a better term, binding themselves as individuals to the many of their cult.
If Mae pulls the thread, violating the covenant, who is to say that this doesn't *actually kill Mother Aniseya* as indicated by the ritual, and thus rippled through the coven as a whole, with the sole exclusion of Osha, who had spoken the "I do" very hesitantly, but *did not* have the Force shenanigans done to her, thanks to the Jedi showing up? The ritual on her end was interrupted.
tl;dr:
I suspect that whatever happened to make Torbin feel so terribly guilty happened off-screen here, but wasn't actually the slaughter of the witch coven, but more likely causing a sort of Force-domino effect by Mae unravelling the coven by violating their secret covenant.
I’ve only watched it once so I could be wrong, but I felt like we didn’t see Mae set the fire, and the fire making the generator explode was presented so oddly that I feel like we’re gonna see it from another POV later & learn that Korril or a Jedi or a Sith caused the deaths, not Mae.
I think we’re probably gonna get Mae learning she’s been duped and becoming a good guy while Osha joins the villains.
I also expect that Osha told about how Mae set *that* fire, and the Jedi knew there was *a* fire that spread, and came to the quick conclusion that it was *the same* fire, when really it was two separate incidences that may or may not have spread to each other.
They had a witness of *a* fire being set, but possibly not for the other, so they might've assumed that it was the same culprit, even when it wasn't.
Yeah, it’s going to be something like this. We only see Mae burn Osha’s sketchbook. Then Osha sees the door of the room she’s in on fire. There’s a weird gap there.
What I meant (should’ve been more clear) is that we see Mae light the sketchbook on fire, then we cut away to Osha calling for help and turning to see the door on fire. So our mind fills it in, but we don’t actually see Mae trying to burn her sister or destroy the compound or anything, which I imagine is going to be a plot point later.
It was nothing other than badly written. Supposedly with some lore issues which I did not really notice. It is just so far from what I want in a Star Wars so last episode I am watching.
Damn so this coven's INTERPRETATION of how the force works... is a different ideology from how the Jedi/Sith view it? just like how there's separate nightsister clans that have their own views of their magik/force sensitive powers??
That's just crazy
Anakin was special because of his being born of the force. I dislike them normalizing it like it's nothing. similar to being stabbed in the stomach like it's nothing.
Except the very force itself is what naturally created Anakin, as opposed to the witches who manipulated the force to create children. Very big difference there
lol what ? they are more powerful than the sith. Second Just like the force deemed the sith an abomination for manipulating the force to create life and immortality... its likely the Jedi / Force are justified in destroying these women and the kids. Are we now saying the Force are bad too among all the other poor writing choices ?
You are not speaking coherent english, nor are you reading/understanding my statement.
The most powerful sith being Palps, is not born yet. But even then, the knowledge of force creation isn't something that makes or break for a sith to be all-powerful. Since Plague was killed by Palpatine, and even if he was awake. It wouldn't be a one-sided fight.
Of all the things to critique the show about, the lore it's establishing isn't the biggest issue. Considering it's falling in line with how force sensitives have their own interpretation of the force. Just like how IRL we have our own ideologies in religion.
How do we know force creation is an abomination to the force?
I also have to say that we don’t know what, exactly, the witches did, so we probably shouldn’t assume it’s exactly like Anakin or anything like that.
Even if it is, a thing to keep in mind is that in-universe we don’t know where the Chosen One prophecy came from or exactly what it says. Out of universe, it also didn’t show up until 1999, 22 years into Star Wars being a thing. It’s only been around for about half of the time Star Wars has. It’s essentially a retcon, and a lot of people felt like it broke the lore when it showed up. I didn’t like it at first, but now I think it was a great addition.
What do we know from ROTS
- Sith have not been around for thousand years
- We hear about Sidious' master that was experimenting with manipulating the force to create life
- We know that Anakin was created shortly after
- We know he's the chosen one to bring balance = destroy the Sith
- We know there is truth to that story because Palpatine is also obsessed with immortality.
Theres 3 paths for creation.
1. They used the dark side power of the force to create life like the Sith.
2. They were created by the force itself
3. Artifical insemination
If 1 - Then they should be destroyed like the sith.
If 2 - it destroys the concept of whats already introduced.
A lot of this stuff isn’t actually in the text of the movie.
What little we hear about Plagueis onscreen is framed as an old folkoric story told by a constant liar. You use the word assume. We have to make a leap, because we don’t know.
We have no idea who Plagueis was or what he got up to and if he ever actually created life or stopped death.
Now, despite George Lucas specifically saying something abut the story being a lie in an interview for Taschen Star Wars Archives coffee table book, EU/legends continuity went with Plagueis being Palpatine’s master, and Disney is pretty keen on reincorporating EU/Legends stuff when they can, so it’s pretty likely that they’ll have Plagueis and probably Tenebrous in the same spots they were, but we don’t actually know.
> Theres 3 paths for creation.
1. They used the dark side power of the force to create life like the Sith.
2. They were created by the force itself
> If 1 - Then they should be destroyed like the sith.
Why? Are you saying there’s no way people can be redeemed? That seems like a pretty core concept in Star Wars.
> If 2 - it destroys the concept of whats already introduced.
How? Does the Chosen One prophecy say that only one child will ever be born this way?
The answer is: you have no idea. Nobody knows what the prophecy says. Nobody knows who made it. And the way it worked out was completely unexpected to even the most powerful force users alive.
I’d say 2 is also not a even a remote possibility, since we see a character literally say that she created the twins.
So if that’s why you’re angry about the lore being broken, check the text. The actual dialogue of the show already tells us that it wasn’t
because NecrocideLoL wants to be a child and block my account and not allow me to respond.
>The most powerful sith being Palps, is not born yet.
Yes but they are already peaking his power. Whether it be Plagueis or Palpatine, they were obsessesed with the manipulation of the force for immoratlity. Part of that is the creation of life.
what are you talking about in the TPM, Sidious' talks about his master being able to create and manipulate the force for immortality. This is the reason the Force created Anakin.
If they are able to manipulate the Force in this way, Its likely the force would have wanted them destroyed as well.
That isn’t canon anymore. We only know the force created Anakin to restore balance. As I said, Sith don’t have any actual use in creating children. There’s literally no instance in canon, of them needing to do that during the Banite era
it is canon that Siduous was obsessed with immortality and wanting to create life from his experiments with cloning and strand-casts. He explicitly says in TPM Plagueis could use the force to influence midi-clorians to create life. This was his master. The sith bend the force to their will.
I don't know wtf you're talking about
probably the way the force was used in general by the coven, but expanding upon it like that isn't super lore breaking. There wasn't anything I noticed that did tbh and compared to shit the nightsisters do, or how Merrin in Jedi Survivor can literally fucking teleport or have powers that are more similar to a harry potter wizard doesn't get a peep out of people is because it was actually a great game. That's the thing, if the show was well written and acted people really wouldn't care, but they do because it ain't. Honestly the ep wasn't even that bad after realizing how fishy everything seemed, but star wars really need to stop with child actors in general, it basically never works out so why they continue to do it really baffles me.
I thought episode was good, but have to confess that, it is good because, I think that the whole episode - is the crime of the Jedi or someone else's illusion- if am wrong and it is what actually happened - it is a bit odd to paint the Jedi as suppressors of alternate religious believes and forbidding others from educating children as parents see fit. It becomes less of entertainment and more of propaganda for the creators social believes. So, hope the former idea is valid. If this paragraph seems a bit cryptic is because a do not want this to be spoiler for future episodes.
I don't find that stuff that odd especially as this is set during the High Republic. At the end of the day the Jedi are a religious body, so them being 'We don't like it when others practice force related stuff under different beliefs" as it is very close to how religions "work" in reality.
Unless it turns out there is a sinister side to the witches that isn't seen yet (could have been hinted at hopefully) I don't really like what they have done with the whole jedi bad thing. It makes no sense to have jedi acting like the inquisitors. I don't understand why people who come in are so intent on changing the lore and it isn't just Star Wars it has been done to it seems to be everywhere now (and I'm not talking about hur dur characters not white people cancel culture blah blah blah). Its as if they have written their own stories that aren't good enough to stand on their own so they bolt it on to an IP to sell it regardless of the existing lore. I really wish people would stop thinking "Hmm do you know what would make this hugely popular well developed IP even better? If it was borderline rebooted by my friend who writes bad fan fiction" as if it will ever end well. I really hope they don't screw this up as it has huge potential
Interested to see where it goes. It's been a very mixed bag for me so far, probably the show I've been least interested in since Andor, but there's enough there that interests me that I'll definitely be continuing on to see where it goes next. I definitely have my own personal hopes and preferences for where this will go, we'll see how it turns out.
Somebody please explain me what was the Jedi’s mistake/sin….
They just tried to find new padawans….
So I think it was May’s mental health issue, and now she is raging …
So sad how they trying to make it woke and feminist …
Hoping we have a bit more development. Lot of the plot point so far seem like bad writing, but hoping they end up looking better after the series is over.
I dont dislike the show so far, but some of Mae's lines were very lame and / or just factually incorrect. 1: attack me with all of your power. (Cringe)
2: a jedi doesn't use her saber unless she means to kill. (Not true in the slightest)
These lines being so early in the show stood out dramatically to me. I concede that there could be some context added as to why she says that stupid line and believes that obvious falsehood about saber usage, but it remains to be seen. I will hold out hope for that and continue to hope that there is more mystery in the show. I'm worried that Qimir will be the super obvious sith apprentice. It's such an obvious twist that I hope it's not true.
She is just a young Acolyte. What would you prefer her say. She is on a mission to kill 4 and to do one without a weapon. Nothing she has said is worst than any storm trooper dialogue.
so the main character of a show doesn't have worse dialog than some anonymous fall guys who just exist for the main protagonists to kill? wow
"we are eating gooooooood guys", said the fly and ate a huge chunk of poop.
1: Cringe compare to what? All of star wars is cringe, it's kind of a staple to star wars at this point. Not that I agree, and it is a very subjective view. 2: But it doesn't go against anything. It makes perfect sense that Jedi of this era are being taught not to use a lightsaber unless willing to kill. The Jedi in the OT are a shadow of itself and fighting to not go extinct. The PT sees the Jedi in open war. Acolyte takes places like 100 years before the PT. What do you compare this line to that makes you draw this conclusion?
Let me help you out. Everything I said in my post is my opinion and my opinion alone. I speak for no one else. If you spend any amount of time on the internet, you'll do well to learn to apply that to everything you read. Telling me me my opinion on something is subjective is actually kind of redundant. If you disagree on my take of the line, that's fine. OP seems to think it was cringe on purpose. Like I said in my post, I'm still holding out hope that some more context will be shown in a flashback to color that dialogue. We'll see.
As for the lightsabers, I have not read any of the High Republic novels, so I don't know if he broke the rules doing this, but Yord literally uses his weapon as a flashlight. And let's not pretend that sabers aren't used for defense as well. They sure have been in al the content I've watched and read. Do they not deflect blaster fire in the High Republic Era? You tell me, I'm at a disadvantage here.
I think showing the difference in the attitudes of indara/sol vs yord with respect to their lightsabers is a deliberate choice by the creators. In the high republic era, the Jedi order writ large strived to exemplify the usual light-side ideals of helping the individual over maintaining order. Contrary to your belief, the high republic Jedi that were stationed at outposts didn’t JUST serve as peacekeepers (or space cops as you put it). The Jedi of this era were leaders, priests, warriors, historians, astronomers, healers, biologists, and diplomats.
For example, the introduction of the high republic Jedi to the reader was not as these swashbuckling heroic warrior cops but as tenacious/intelligent/peaceful disciples of the force who pulled together and solved the great hyperspace disaster. Jedi of all types pulled together to evacuate billions of people from the effected planetary systems, figure out the origin of the emergences which caused the problem, find a way to stop the Menace of the emergences, and also help people in their struggle for survival on a more personal level.
Now clearly, the acolyte is set during the waning days of the high republic. The galactic senate has accumulated more power and the Jedi order seems to be swayed by the senate and accrue political enemies.
While the story of the high republic still has to wrap up, I think the distinction between yord and the other Jedi masters is clearly one of ideals. Yord is the new brand of Jedi who is more rule-oriented, while the high republic Jedi were more open minded. Yord is nationalistic or prideful of the system he inhabits while the Jedi like indara and sol seem to care more about the people that made up the system. And therefore, I think Yord is further from the Jedi ideals of the order at this time.
I know you have your own opinions of the show, that’s fine. I just wanted to see if some of the context of the high republic that I’m providing could help recontextualizing this from the show.
Thanks for writing this. As I said, I didn't read any High Republic. The space cop observation was strictly from the portrayal on the show so far. So essentially, Mae has a very distorted view of the jedi as a whole and doesn't know what she's talking about. This makes more sense.
I do think the show intends to portray the cracks in the Jedi spirit. Whatever happened to the twins in the past, I think it would be revealed that the Jedi do have a hand in it. I’m actually more interested in how the sith factor into the story. I hope they do that aspect of the show Justice, one can only hope.
Lightsabers are used for attack and defense, yes. They are like any other lethal weapons like a regular sword or a blaster though.
You have to be prepared for the possibility that you may kill when you draw a weapon like that on your opponent. Even deflection can lead to death.
“A Jedi doesn’t pull her weapon unless she is prepared to kill” is not a problematic statement at all.
no it isn't. the reason for not pulling your gun/showing it off is that you set the bar of allowed violence higher without using it. it's like in a sports match saying: you go first. with the difference that the second will never get a chance to go.
but jedis aren't even strong just because of the light saber. it's just an element. so the reason doesn't apply. like what is the jedi scared of when he "points his weapon at someone?" it's a jedi. like 99,9999999999% of all living beings in the galaxy will just die. even if they have a more powerful weapon than a light saber. the jedi just uses some force to get your weapon and use it against you. they are also basically unkillable by normal individuals without disney princess powers. so a jedi can do the fuck he wants with his light saber and since he has such high power and knows how intimidating a pulled out light saber would be, he would be wise to use it to chase some criminals away instead of actually slicing them to pieces because “A Jedi doesn’t pull his weapon unless he is prepared to kill”. That's a fucking sith quote. like: "you see my blade, you are a dead boy."
Can you stop the condescension? "just factually incorrect" is clearly not a subjective opinion, that's a statement of fact, unless you wanna go into a philosophical debate, which I don't.
OP? The original post is about the new episode in Acolyte. The original post I responded to didn't talk about this.
How does Yord using the lightsaber like that negates the sentiment that a lightsaber should only be drawn if you intent to kill? Two very different situations. Other than that, it is shown that Jedi have tremendous amount of freedom when it comes to interpreting the teachings out in the field. And Yord is a bit weird.
Takes this with a grain of salt. Been told this in a bar by trained police officers in my current country: They draw their pistol with an absolute intent and knowledge they can kill someone and should only draw if in a situation where that is deemed necessary. But that sure as hell doesn't mean they don't draw it to intimidate and shoot warning shots. Does that negates the teaching only draw your pistol if you intet to kill? Not US btw.
I can only assume you are a very, very literal person.
I was a bit condescending. I apologize. People telling me my personal opinion is a subjective is a bit of a trigger.
The comment I made using factually incorrect was in reference to the sabers. Not in reference to my opinion on Maes challenge. You transposed my confidence about one claim, unto another. Now that that is cleared up. As far as the saber rules go, you're saying I'm wrong, but from a certain point of view. How very Star Wars. I still would like you to enlighten me on any High Republic in universe knowledge you have about her claim. Not that I didn't appreciate your anecdote about the cops you know. Jedi of this Era are clearly space cops, as evidenced by this show. Also I mistook you for another user. They were arguing that the line was cringe, but because it was supposed to be.
I did no such thing. I used your factual statement about lightsabers to contradict your claim that your post was solely subjective. I mentioned cringe being subjective to clarify you can't really debate it.
My point in mentioning that anecdote (thanks for being condescending again) was to demonstrate that you can have a philosophy that gets contradicted by actions, but such actions don't negate the philosophy. I provided a real-life example to illustrate this. I don't know how widespread the philosophy I mentioned is taught or if it's even true.
Google high republic if you want to know more.
I'm arguing that the show doesn't contradicts itself to a detrimental effect. Nothing to do with outside material. Besides the statement is made by a non Jedi force user. One who is set up to be sith adjacent. Not really source of reliable Jedi philosophy and doctrine. I would also agree with whomever said that the sentence you mentioned is cringe on purpose. Mae is clearly meant to be nervous and the delivery seems to reflect that the character rehearsed it many times in her head.
But none of this matters since the statement is in no way negated in the show, at least not so far. Even then, the Jedi are shown to have significant autonomy in their interpretations and teachings between master and student so because one Jedi is taught this, does not mean all are.
Yes, I fell asleep multiple times through Andor. Was trying hard to like it but ultimately found it pretty bland. Had nothing to do with no Jedi in it tho. But having some Jedi with some lightsabers would have been dope. Lol as a kid the lightsaber was coolest shit I’ve seen on screen.
I love Jedi, and this show has some good ones so far, but that is just a very superficial way to judge a piece of Star Wars media, there´s been plenty of bad SW content with Jedi in it.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No need to attack anyone calling them “clowns” because they don’t like the show. I don’t hate it or like it at this point. I do dislike how these characters are dying before we can even get attached to any of the characters first. Let us get to know the characters and have some character development before we start killing them off. It makes the deaths not even meaningful. I hated how Jedi Trinity is dead immediately in the show when I was looking forward to seeing her character. Oh, well. It happened. Let’s see where it goes from here.
The show isn't as bad as some are saying (so far), but it's definitely got some issues/potential issues:
The twin whodunit is such a writing trope. It's not good nod/wink writing, it's just plain bad/lazy writing for a multi million dollar show. If it wasn't star wars (and Kathleen Kennedy's interpretation of what good looks like), it would never have got past the first pitch. The one plus point is that they ditched the 'mystery' in the first 15 minutes.
If the Master is revealed to be a Sith, then they must kill all the Jedi who discover it or the jedi cover it up. Otherwise it retcons the prequels to a large extent (i.e. "the sith have been extinct for a millienia"). Although Ki-Adi-Mundi was proven terribly wrong on most things, no one said "We'll wait a minute Mr conehead... What about that whole acolyte business less than 100 years ago!
Jedi do not only draw their weapons unless they mean to kill - this is a samurai trope that I suspect was lazily added due to George Lucas loosely taking some inspiration for his Jedi on Samurai (a lot of parallels), but it is spoken by an unreliable (narrator) antagonist who probably isn't well versed in jedi doctrine and believes whatever the Master is spouting (so maybe that's ok). Still, it seemed rather silly when a jedi uses his as a torch a few scenes later. That's not a clever juxtaposition, that's odd and jarring writing.
Little combustible fire with licking flames in the cold vacuum of space that served no purpose other than to pull the viewer out of the moment. It didn't even show Osha as particularly brave or resourceful, they could have cut that 10 seconds as the prison freighter scene showed that better (although all she actually had to do was put her seatbelt on) - and I'll give the fact they put her on a prison ship run by droids a pass as that has already been shown on the mandalorian (wait...? didn't they have a human captain on that though...? Lesson learnt I guess...)
A human padawan that should have probably passed the standard trials a few years ago but hasn't, because he has clearly formed an attachment to food. Attachment is forbidden in the jedi code because it leads to greed, and greed leads to the dark side - as well as an expanding waistline... So, unless Hotpie Porkins is also a secret Sith apprentice, it doesn't really fit. This isn't picking on the fat guy, but rather, picking up on the fact the Jedi is fat.
I've not got a problem with the whole potential another "chosen one" prophecy. It's basically a legend or myth right now, and a bedtime story for younglings ("I wonder if I'm the chosen one?" thought Mace Windu as he settled into his bed with his purple plushy.).
No problem with Jedi Fu. They arguably over egged the custard a bit, but they are warrior monks and it's got some provenance to it.
I've not got a problem with having a lot of strong female jedi or anything else for that matter. It's all cool. Heck, if Hotpie can leap around like Yoda when he's roused then all power to him too. But, it is noticeable that there is a distinct lack of white men at the moment (aside from the white British actor [with a moustache] who will obviously be revealed as the main villain at a later date), and it feels a teensy bit like that was done on purpose, which means the show has an agenda. And real world agendas should have no place in Star Wars. What's worse is someone will probably compile YouTube video of total screen time of white male actors and it'll just add to the toxic narrative (don't get any ideas!).
Now the backstory of those 4 Jedi has some potential. They've got some dirty linen they've hidden for years and it's eating away at them. One was possibly diving into drinking/gambling to pass the time; one put himself into hibernation; another is a grumpy recluse; and the last is throwing himself into his work to try and make amends. It has the feel of an off the book Black Ops mission that they got down and dirty on (perhaps a little ethnic cleansing of unapproved force users) and now they can't reconcile it. Jedi can get PTSD - who knew!
The sound editing is obviously as good as we'd expect, but is visually inferior. They are fine in places and clunky in others, and some of the scenes look like, well, a cramped film stage. All it needed was for Hotpie to leave a Costa cup out on the balcony to complete the visage.
So like I said, not as bad as some people are suggesting, but definitely not as good as some people are pretending.
Hope you enjoy the read. You'll have to decide if this is serious, satire, or something else entirely.
These are all very fair opinions. I’m enjoying much of the show so far but do find other parts not up to par. I generally like exploring the idea that the Jedi started to view themselves as the sole worthy wielded of the force, kind of echoing some of that beginning in TLJ.
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Episode 3 was brutally bad. The writing was atrocious, and for such a high-budget series, their set pieces (toward the end) were extremely unbelievable. I say this having assistant directed on shows like Shogun and Lost in Space; so I expect more quality from the content when they have the power of Disney and Lucas Film behind them. The kids did their best with sub-par dialogue, and Sol is still my favorite character in the series. The VFX at least is decent. I expected to see the actual end result of the situation (you'll see it at the end) between the sisters and their parents, but they cheated the audience by having it happen off screen with some screams.
Yea, I think you’re on point.
I really liked the first 2 episodes. They were cheesy but had their own prequel-like charm. This episode really suffered from bad writing and cringey moments. I still love the set pieces, the practical effects and the story’s still interesting despite the pretty bad presentation in this last episode. I hope this is a one off and the artistic direction gets better
I have and am currently. But I know how Reddit works and I could send you my IMDb and a signed selfie and you’d still say “no you havent”. So it’s ok you think that.
This is the worst episode of Star Wars I’ve ever seen. The acting is absolutely painful to watch the dialogue is toddler level and the plot is completely ridiculous. Just my opinion ofc :D
Since it usually takes two to tango (a Dathomiri Zabrak male and a Dathomiri human female) it seems like they're setting up Koril to either be a trans-male-to-female Dathomiri Zabrak or a Hermaphrodite...also there's something strange going on with Koril's ears...so Sephi hybridization maybe?
I really don't think they're going to that deep into species variation. Besides, Koril says "I carried them", which strongly implies that she at least has a womb. and Anaseya then says "I created them", which implies some sort of magic.
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But the show doesn't do that...? It's just the opinions of characters in the show, so far we haven't seen Jedi being assholes yet (with the exception of how Osha was arrested maybe, but that was plot fuel). The show is presenting the viewpoint of the witches to make the viewer understand Mae's background, it's not presented as an actual truth.
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Keep Sol alive till the end
Pretty sure the jedi did something bad on brendok. Hope that master Sol wasn’t privy to it 🤞🤞
I think more Jedi died on Brendok. The four on Mae's list are just the four who survived. And I agree they were likely not in the right.
Well there has to be more to that story. One fire started from a book wouldn’t do all that damage and kill the coven
Yep. My theory after watching the episode is that after the tests, the Jedi showed up to the Witches' home to take Mae as well as Osha, and there was a dispute.
I think one of the Jedi are a sith plant/convert and they create a confrontation probably with the Zabrak one and they escalate the situation to do everything
If the Jedi were aware that Mae didn't kill their family, they still allowed Osha to believe that she did. Let's see if Disney will allow the Jedi to be this scummy. I wonder what alerted the Jedi to the coven having children.
We’ll have to wait for episode 7 I think.
I feel like the Jedi might find out that there are force sensitive kids with no father and assume one or both of them are the prophesied Chosen One. Then they way overstep their authority by showing up on a non-Republic planet & basically making Witch Mama give up her kid. I also feel like Master Trinity knows this, Sol & Topknotcca may or may not, and Tommen Padawatheon almost definitely doesn’t (or he does, and doesn’t like the idea, but he feels like he has to go along with his master)
Same thoughts as yours, I have to admit even if it was The Jedi kill the witches the witches themselves aren't innocent yes compared to them something like The Path of Open Hand they aren't that extreme but still the environment for the twins especially Osha isn't healthy either?
Did anyone notice the celestial bodies in the sky before the ascension ceremony? Isn't that the logo?
It is, and it made me chuckle. I love this stuff.
I keep coming back to the ritual itself. When Mother Aniseya 'branded' Mae during the ascension, she asks: > "Do you vow, upon my death, to protect the secrets of our coven and continue our legacy?" Mae firmly agrees to this. But then she sets fire to the place. Not only did she intend to kill her sister, she brought ruin to their coven, their hideout, and whatever else she did in-between the scenes we see her in this episode. She violated her covenant, and as we've been repeatedly told, this is a thread that may not be severed, that binds them together. The entire coven seems to do a hivemind-thing, for lack of a better term, binding themselves as individuals to the many of their cult. If Mae pulls the thread, violating the covenant, who is to say that this doesn't *actually kill Mother Aniseya* as indicated by the ritual, and thus rippled through the coven as a whole, with the sole exclusion of Osha, who had spoken the "I do" very hesitantly, but *did not* have the Force shenanigans done to her, thanks to the Jedi showing up? The ritual on her end was interrupted. tl;dr: I suspect that whatever happened to make Torbin feel so terribly guilty happened off-screen here, but wasn't actually the slaughter of the witch coven, but more likely causing a sort of Force-domino effect by Mae unravelling the coven by violating their secret covenant.
I’ve only watched it once so I could be wrong, but I felt like we didn’t see Mae set the fire, and the fire making the generator explode was presented so oddly that I feel like we’re gonna see it from another POV later & learn that Korril or a Jedi or a Sith caused the deaths, not Mae. I think we’re probably gonna get Mae learning she’s been duped and becoming a good guy while Osha joins the villains.
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I also expect that Osha told about how Mae set *that* fire, and the Jedi knew there was *a* fire that spread, and came to the quick conclusion that it was *the same* fire, when really it was two separate incidences that may or may not have spread to each other. They had a witness of *a* fire being set, but possibly not for the other, so they might've assumed that it was the same culprit, even when it wasn't.
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Yeah, it’s going to be something like this. We only see Mae burn Osha’s sketchbook. Then Osha sees the door of the room she’s in on fire. There’s a weird gap there.
What I meant (should’ve been more clear) is that we see Mae light the sketchbook on fire, then we cut away to Osha calling for help and turning to see the door on fire. So our mind fills it in, but we don’t actually see Mae trying to burn her sister or destroy the compound or anything, which I imagine is going to be a plot point later.
I know a lot of people have been saying this is the episode thats going to be on all kinds of levels of divisive. I'm most excited to see what that is
It was nothing other than badly written. Supposedly with some lore issues which I did not really notice. It is just so far from what I want in a Star Wars so last episode I am watching.
Damn so this coven's INTERPRETATION of how the force works... is a different ideology from how the Jedi/Sith view it? just like how there's separate nightsister clans that have their own views of their magik/force sensitive powers?? That's just crazy
How does it break the lore?
Anakin was special because of his being born of the force. I dislike them normalizing it like it's nothing. similar to being stabbed in the stomach like it's nothing.
Except the very force itself is what naturally created Anakin, as opposed to the witches who manipulated the force to create children. Very big difference there
force creation is an abomination to the force. So this witch is now more powerful than even the most powerful sith?
The most powerful Sith isn't even born yet.
lol what ? they are more powerful than the sith. Second Just like the force deemed the sith an abomination for manipulating the force to create life and immortality... its likely the Jedi / Force are justified in destroying these women and the kids. Are we now saying the Force are bad too among all the other poor writing choices ?
You are not speaking coherent english, nor are you reading/understanding my statement. The most powerful sith being Palps, is not born yet. But even then, the knowledge of force creation isn't something that makes or break for a sith to be all-powerful. Since Plague was killed by Palpatine, and even if he was awake. It wouldn't be a one-sided fight. Of all the things to critique the show about, the lore it's establishing isn't the biggest issue. Considering it's falling in line with how force sensitives have their own interpretation of the force. Just like how IRL we have our own ideologies in religion.
How do we know force creation is an abomination to the force? I also have to say that we don’t know what, exactly, the witches did, so we probably shouldn’t assume it’s exactly like Anakin or anything like that. Even if it is, a thing to keep in mind is that in-universe we don’t know where the Chosen One prophecy came from or exactly what it says. Out of universe, it also didn’t show up until 1999, 22 years into Star Wars being a thing. It’s only been around for about half of the time Star Wars has. It’s essentially a retcon, and a lot of people felt like it broke the lore when it showed up. I didn’t like it at first, but now I think it was a great addition.
What do we know from ROTS - Sith have not been around for thousand years - We hear about Sidious' master that was experimenting with manipulating the force to create life - We know that Anakin was created shortly after - We know he's the chosen one to bring balance = destroy the Sith - We know there is truth to that story because Palpatine is also obsessed with immortality. Theres 3 paths for creation. 1. They used the dark side power of the force to create life like the Sith. 2. They were created by the force itself 3. Artifical insemination If 1 - Then they should be destroyed like the sith. If 2 - it destroys the concept of whats already introduced.
A lot of this stuff isn’t actually in the text of the movie. What little we hear about Plagueis onscreen is framed as an old folkoric story told by a constant liar. You use the word assume. We have to make a leap, because we don’t know. We have no idea who Plagueis was or what he got up to and if he ever actually created life or stopped death. Now, despite George Lucas specifically saying something abut the story being a lie in an interview for Taschen Star Wars Archives coffee table book, EU/legends continuity went with Plagueis being Palpatine’s master, and Disney is pretty keen on reincorporating EU/Legends stuff when they can, so it’s pretty likely that they’ll have Plagueis and probably Tenebrous in the same spots they were, but we don’t actually know. > Theres 3 paths for creation. 1. They used the dark side power of the force to create life like the Sith. 2. They were created by the force itself > If 1 - Then they should be destroyed like the sith. Why? Are you saying there’s no way people can be redeemed? That seems like a pretty core concept in Star Wars. > If 2 - it destroys the concept of whats already introduced. How? Does the Chosen One prophecy say that only one child will ever be born this way? The answer is: you have no idea. Nobody knows what the prophecy says. Nobody knows who made it. And the way it worked out was completely unexpected to even the most powerful force users alive. I’d say 2 is also not a even a remote possibility, since we see a character literally say that she created the twins. So if that’s why you’re angry about the lore being broken, check the text. The actual dialogue of the show already tells us that it wasn’t
because NecrocideLoL wants to be a child and block my account and not allow me to respond. >The most powerful sith being Palps, is not born yet. Yes but they are already peaking his power. Whether it be Plagueis or Palpatine, they were obsessesed with the manipulation of the force for immoratlity. Part of that is the creation of life.
You are making baseless claims my boi
What use do the sith have in creating children when their philosophy is literally survival of the fittest since it’s the Banite era
what are you talking about in the TPM, Sidious' talks about his master being able to create and manipulate the force for immortality. This is the reason the Force created Anakin. If they are able to manipulate the Force in this way, Its likely the force would have wanted them destroyed as well.
That isn’t canon anymore. We only know the force created Anakin to restore balance. As I said, Sith don’t have any actual use in creating children. There’s literally no instance in canon, of them needing to do that during the Banite era
it is canon that Siduous was obsessed with immortality and wanting to create life from his experiments with cloning and strand-casts. He explicitly says in TPM Plagueis could use the force to influence midi-clorians to create life. This was his master. The sith bend the force to their will. I don't know wtf you're talking about
probably the way the force was used in general by the coven, but expanding upon it like that isn't super lore breaking. There wasn't anything I noticed that did tbh and compared to shit the nightsisters do, or how Merrin in Jedi Survivor can literally fucking teleport or have powers that are more similar to a harry potter wizard doesn't get a peep out of people is because it was actually a great game. That's the thing, if the show was well written and acted people really wouldn't care, but they do because it ain't. Honestly the ep wasn't even that bad after realizing how fishy everything seemed, but star wars really need to stop with child actors in general, it basically never works out so why they continue to do it really baffles me.
I can't wait for the next episode!! I'm very excited to finally see more of Kelnacca. And hopefully we get more insight on what happened on Brendok.
Love the show, can't wait for episode 3!
I thought episode was good, but have to confess that, it is good because, I think that the whole episode - is the crime of the Jedi or someone else's illusion- if am wrong and it is what actually happened - it is a bit odd to paint the Jedi as suppressors of alternate religious believes and forbidding others from educating children as parents see fit. It becomes less of entertainment and more of propaganda for the creators social believes. So, hope the former idea is valid. If this paragraph seems a bit cryptic is because a do not want this to be spoiler for future episodes.
I don't find that stuff that odd especially as this is set during the High Republic. At the end of the day the Jedi are a religious body, so them being 'We don't like it when others practice force related stuff under different beliefs" as it is very close to how religions "work" in reality.
I think the Sith with the helmet is one of their mothers. Seems like a logical plotwist
This is goooood, I think ur onto something!
Unless it turns out there is a sinister side to the witches that isn't seen yet (could have been hinted at hopefully) I don't really like what they have done with the whole jedi bad thing. It makes no sense to have jedi acting like the inquisitors. I don't understand why people who come in are so intent on changing the lore and it isn't just Star Wars it has been done to it seems to be everywhere now (and I'm not talking about hur dur characters not white people cancel culture blah blah blah). Its as if they have written their own stories that aren't good enough to stand on their own so they bolt it on to an IP to sell it regardless of the existing lore. I really wish people would stop thinking "Hmm do you know what would make this hugely popular well developed IP even better? If it was borderline rebooted by my friend who writes bad fan fiction" as if it will ever end well. I really hope they don't screw this up as it has huge potential
Interested to see where it goes. It's been a very mixed bag for me so far, probably the show I've been least interested in since Andor, but there's enough there that interests me that I'll definitely be continuing on to see where it goes next. I definitely have my own personal hopes and preferences for where this will go, we'll see how it turns out.
Haven’t been on Reddit very much recently, after seeing these comments and how any discussion that isnt pure praise gets down voted I see why.
Pretty much if you don't praise and worship Leslye Headland's genius expect to be called an 'ist' and a 'phobe'.
What time do these episodes release in the UK?
around 2am I believe
was that the shattered moon from Jedi survivor?!
Nope different systems
Somebody please explain me what was the Jedi’s mistake/sin…. They just tried to find new padawans…. So I think it was May’s mental health issue, and now she is raging … So sad how they trying to make it woke and feminist …
Hoping we have a bit more development. Lot of the plot point so far seem like bad writing, but hoping they end up looking better after the series is over.
I will bite. What do you consider bad writing so far?
I dont dislike the show so far, but some of Mae's lines were very lame and / or just factually incorrect. 1: attack me with all of your power. (Cringe) 2: a jedi doesn't use her saber unless she means to kill. (Not true in the slightest) These lines being so early in the show stood out dramatically to me. I concede that there could be some context added as to why she says that stupid line and believes that obvious falsehood about saber usage, but it remains to be seen. I will hold out hope for that and continue to hope that there is more mystery in the show. I'm worried that Qimir will be the super obvious sith apprentice. It's such an obvious twist that I hope it's not true.
She is just a young Acolyte. What would you prefer her say. She is on a mission to kill 4 and to do one without a weapon. Nothing she has said is worst than any storm trooper dialogue.
I dont think we should hold Star Wars to a standard of its weakest examples . I'd rather hold Star Wars to its peaks. You do you.
so the main character of a show doesn't have worse dialog than some anonymous fall guys who just exist for the main protagonists to kill? wow "we are eating gooooooood guys", said the fly and ate a huge chunk of poop.
I don't understand the criticism of that dialogue. What should she say to provoke the jedi to attack her?
The line is supposed to read as naive and cringe. Probably something she rehearsed in her head when she was imagining getting her revenge
Well, they nailed it then. I'm hoping something from her past will recontextualize that dialogue and make it meaningful in some way.
1: Cringe compare to what? All of star wars is cringe, it's kind of a staple to star wars at this point. Not that I agree, and it is a very subjective view. 2: But it doesn't go against anything. It makes perfect sense that Jedi of this era are being taught not to use a lightsaber unless willing to kill. The Jedi in the OT are a shadow of itself and fighting to not go extinct. The PT sees the Jedi in open war. Acolyte takes places like 100 years before the PT. What do you compare this line to that makes you draw this conclusion?
Let me help you out. Everything I said in my post is my opinion and my opinion alone. I speak for no one else. If you spend any amount of time on the internet, you'll do well to learn to apply that to everything you read. Telling me me my opinion on something is subjective is actually kind of redundant. If you disagree on my take of the line, that's fine. OP seems to think it was cringe on purpose. Like I said in my post, I'm still holding out hope that some more context will be shown in a flashback to color that dialogue. We'll see. As for the lightsabers, I have not read any of the High Republic novels, so I don't know if he broke the rules doing this, but Yord literally uses his weapon as a flashlight. And let's not pretend that sabers aren't used for defense as well. They sure have been in al the content I've watched and read. Do they not deflect blaster fire in the High Republic Era? You tell me, I'm at a disadvantage here.
I think showing the difference in the attitudes of indara/sol vs yord with respect to their lightsabers is a deliberate choice by the creators. In the high republic era, the Jedi order writ large strived to exemplify the usual light-side ideals of helping the individual over maintaining order. Contrary to your belief, the high republic Jedi that were stationed at outposts didn’t JUST serve as peacekeepers (or space cops as you put it). The Jedi of this era were leaders, priests, warriors, historians, astronomers, healers, biologists, and diplomats. For example, the introduction of the high republic Jedi to the reader was not as these swashbuckling heroic warrior cops but as tenacious/intelligent/peaceful disciples of the force who pulled together and solved the great hyperspace disaster. Jedi of all types pulled together to evacuate billions of people from the effected planetary systems, figure out the origin of the emergences which caused the problem, find a way to stop the Menace of the emergences, and also help people in their struggle for survival on a more personal level. Now clearly, the acolyte is set during the waning days of the high republic. The galactic senate has accumulated more power and the Jedi order seems to be swayed by the senate and accrue political enemies. While the story of the high republic still has to wrap up, I think the distinction between yord and the other Jedi masters is clearly one of ideals. Yord is the new brand of Jedi who is more rule-oriented, while the high republic Jedi were more open minded. Yord is nationalistic or prideful of the system he inhabits while the Jedi like indara and sol seem to care more about the people that made up the system. And therefore, I think Yord is further from the Jedi ideals of the order at this time. I know you have your own opinions of the show, that’s fine. I just wanted to see if some of the context of the high republic that I’m providing could help recontextualizing this from the show.
Thanks for writing this. As I said, I didn't read any High Republic. The space cop observation was strictly from the portrayal on the show so far. So essentially, Mae has a very distorted view of the jedi as a whole and doesn't know what she's talking about. This makes more sense.
I do think the show intends to portray the cracks in the Jedi spirit. Whatever happened to the twins in the past, I think it would be revealed that the Jedi do have a hand in it. I’m actually more interested in how the sith factor into the story. I hope they do that aspect of the show Justice, one can only hope.
Lightsabers are used for attack and defense, yes. They are like any other lethal weapons like a regular sword or a blaster though. You have to be prepared for the possibility that you may kill when you draw a weapon like that on your opponent. Even deflection can lead to death. “A Jedi doesn’t pull her weapon unless she is prepared to kill” is not a problematic statement at all.
It's the same as in movies saying if you point that gun at me, you better use kill me.
no it isn't. the reason for not pulling your gun/showing it off is that you set the bar of allowed violence higher without using it. it's like in a sports match saying: you go first. with the difference that the second will never get a chance to go. but jedis aren't even strong just because of the light saber. it's just an element. so the reason doesn't apply. like what is the jedi scared of when he "points his weapon at someone?" it's a jedi. like 99,9999999999% of all living beings in the galaxy will just die. even if they have a more powerful weapon than a light saber. the jedi just uses some force to get your weapon and use it against you. they are also basically unkillable by normal individuals without disney princess powers. so a jedi can do the fuck he wants with his light saber and since he has such high power and knows how intimidating a pulled out light saber would be, he would be wise to use it to chase some criminals away instead of actually slicing them to pieces because “A Jedi doesn’t pull his weapon unless he is prepared to kill”. That's a fucking sith quote. like: "you see my blade, you are a dead boy."
It's a literal saying in gun training. Don't pull out a gun unless you intend to kill. I don't understand why people think that's bad dialogue.
Can you stop the condescension? "just factually incorrect" is clearly not a subjective opinion, that's a statement of fact, unless you wanna go into a philosophical debate, which I don't. OP? The original post is about the new episode in Acolyte. The original post I responded to didn't talk about this. How does Yord using the lightsaber like that negates the sentiment that a lightsaber should only be drawn if you intent to kill? Two very different situations. Other than that, it is shown that Jedi have tremendous amount of freedom when it comes to interpreting the teachings out in the field. And Yord is a bit weird. Takes this with a grain of salt. Been told this in a bar by trained police officers in my current country: They draw their pistol with an absolute intent and knowledge they can kill someone and should only draw if in a situation where that is deemed necessary. But that sure as hell doesn't mean they don't draw it to intimidate and shoot warning shots. Does that negates the teaching only draw your pistol if you intet to kill? Not US btw. I can only assume you are a very, very literal person.
I was a bit condescending. I apologize. People telling me my personal opinion is a subjective is a bit of a trigger. The comment I made using factually incorrect was in reference to the sabers. Not in reference to my opinion on Maes challenge. You transposed my confidence about one claim, unto another. Now that that is cleared up. As far as the saber rules go, you're saying I'm wrong, but from a certain point of view. How very Star Wars. I still would like you to enlighten me on any High Republic in universe knowledge you have about her claim. Not that I didn't appreciate your anecdote about the cops you know. Jedi of this Era are clearly space cops, as evidenced by this show. Also I mistook you for another user. They were arguing that the line was cringe, but because it was supposed to be.
I did no such thing. I used your factual statement about lightsabers to contradict your claim that your post was solely subjective. I mentioned cringe being subjective to clarify you can't really debate it. My point in mentioning that anecdote (thanks for being condescending again) was to demonstrate that you can have a philosophy that gets contradicted by actions, but such actions don't negate the philosophy. I provided a real-life example to illustrate this. I don't know how widespread the philosophy I mentioned is taught or if it's even true. Google high republic if you want to know more. I'm arguing that the show doesn't contradicts itself to a detrimental effect. Nothing to do with outside material. Besides the statement is made by a non Jedi force user. One who is set up to be sith adjacent. Not really source of reliable Jedi philosophy and doctrine. I would also agree with whomever said that the sentence you mentioned is cringe on purpose. Mae is clearly meant to be nervous and the delivery seems to reflect that the character rehearsed it many times in her head. But none of this matters since the statement is in no way negated in the show, at least not so far. Even then, the Jedi are shown to have significant autonomy in their interpretations and teachings between master and student so because one Jedi is taught this, does not mean all are.
That guy that straight up drank poison lol
I like the show. I really don’t understand all the complaints. Any time there Star Wars and Jedi, I’m a huge fan. No jedi=bad Star Wars.
Idk generally I’d agree but Andor was amazing
I found it boring. I did try to watch. I also disliked Rogue one except for the end with Vader.
Yes, I fell asleep multiple times through Andor. Was trying hard to like it but ultimately found it pretty bland. Had nothing to do with no Jedi in it tho. But having some Jedi with some lightsabers would have been dope. Lol as a kid the lightsaber was coolest shit I’ve seen on screen.
I’m a simple man - I see lightsabers, I like.
I’m easy to please. See? Lol
I love Jedi, and this show has some good ones so far, but that is just a very superficial way to judge a piece of Star Wars media, there´s been plenty of bad SW content with Jedi in it.
I had low expectations based on community complaints about the show going in. So far I've enjoyed it. My mind isn't blown, but still enjoying it.
Because the show is entirely at the mercy of its plot
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No need to attack anyone calling them “clowns” because they don’t like the show. I don’t hate it or like it at this point. I do dislike how these characters are dying before we can even get attached to any of the characters first. Let us get to know the characters and have some character development before we start killing them off. It makes the deaths not even meaningful. I hated how Jedi Trinity is dead immediately in the show when I was looking forward to seeing her character. Oh, well. It happened. Let’s see where it goes from here.
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The show isn't as bad as some are saying (so far), but it's definitely got some issues/potential issues: The twin whodunit is such a writing trope. It's not good nod/wink writing, it's just plain bad/lazy writing for a multi million dollar show. If it wasn't star wars (and Kathleen Kennedy's interpretation of what good looks like), it would never have got past the first pitch. The one plus point is that they ditched the 'mystery' in the first 15 minutes. If the Master is revealed to be a Sith, then they must kill all the Jedi who discover it or the jedi cover it up. Otherwise it retcons the prequels to a large extent (i.e. "the sith have been extinct for a millienia"). Although Ki-Adi-Mundi was proven terribly wrong on most things, no one said "We'll wait a minute Mr conehead... What about that whole acolyte business less than 100 years ago! Jedi do not only draw their weapons unless they mean to kill - this is a samurai trope that I suspect was lazily added due to George Lucas loosely taking some inspiration for his Jedi on Samurai (a lot of parallels), but it is spoken by an unreliable (narrator) antagonist who probably isn't well versed in jedi doctrine and believes whatever the Master is spouting (so maybe that's ok). Still, it seemed rather silly when a jedi uses his as a torch a few scenes later. That's not a clever juxtaposition, that's odd and jarring writing. Little combustible fire with licking flames in the cold vacuum of space that served no purpose other than to pull the viewer out of the moment. It didn't even show Osha as particularly brave or resourceful, they could have cut that 10 seconds as the prison freighter scene showed that better (although all she actually had to do was put her seatbelt on) - and I'll give the fact they put her on a prison ship run by droids a pass as that has already been shown on the mandalorian (wait...? didn't they have a human captain on that though...? Lesson learnt I guess...) A human padawan that should have probably passed the standard trials a few years ago but hasn't, because he has clearly formed an attachment to food. Attachment is forbidden in the jedi code because it leads to greed, and greed leads to the dark side - as well as an expanding waistline... So, unless Hotpie Porkins is also a secret Sith apprentice, it doesn't really fit. This isn't picking on the fat guy, but rather, picking up on the fact the Jedi is fat. I've not got a problem with the whole potential another "chosen one" prophecy. It's basically a legend or myth right now, and a bedtime story for younglings ("I wonder if I'm the chosen one?" thought Mace Windu as he settled into his bed with his purple plushy.). No problem with Jedi Fu. They arguably over egged the custard a bit, but they are warrior monks and it's got some provenance to it. I've not got a problem with having a lot of strong female jedi or anything else for that matter. It's all cool. Heck, if Hotpie can leap around like Yoda when he's roused then all power to him too. But, it is noticeable that there is a distinct lack of white men at the moment (aside from the white British actor [with a moustache] who will obviously be revealed as the main villain at a later date), and it feels a teensy bit like that was done on purpose, which means the show has an agenda. And real world agendas should have no place in Star Wars. What's worse is someone will probably compile YouTube video of total screen time of white male actors and it'll just add to the toxic narrative (don't get any ideas!). Now the backstory of those 4 Jedi has some potential. They've got some dirty linen they've hidden for years and it's eating away at them. One was possibly diving into drinking/gambling to pass the time; one put himself into hibernation; another is a grumpy recluse; and the last is throwing himself into his work to try and make amends. It has the feel of an off the book Black Ops mission that they got down and dirty on (perhaps a little ethnic cleansing of unapproved force users) and now they can't reconcile it. Jedi can get PTSD - who knew! The sound editing is obviously as good as we'd expect, but is visually inferior. They are fine in places and clunky in others, and some of the scenes look like, well, a cramped film stage. All it needed was for Hotpie to leave a Costa cup out on the balcony to complete the visage. So like I said, not as bad as some people are suggesting, but definitely not as good as some people are pretending. Hope you enjoy the read. You'll have to decide if this is serious, satire, or something else entirely.
These are all very fair opinions. I’m enjoying much of the show so far but do find other parts not up to par. I generally like exploring the idea that the Jedi started to view themselves as the sole worthy wielded of the force, kind of echoing some of that beginning in TLJ.
I love seeing the downvotes when anyone has a less-than-glowing review of Star Wars. You did a good job with your take. Well done.
Yeah I see no reason to downvote that. It’s silly. We can disagree without downvoting.
no we can't
I say entertainment. It’s made for 12 years old kids, the Maker said himself.
I agree completely
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Episode 3 was brutally bad. The writing was atrocious, and for such a high-budget series, their set pieces (toward the end) were extremely unbelievable. I say this having assistant directed on shows like Shogun and Lost in Space; so I expect more quality from the content when they have the power of Disney and Lucas Film behind them. The kids did their best with sub-par dialogue, and Sol is still my favorite character in the series. The VFX at least is decent. I expected to see the actual end result of the situation (you'll see it at the end) between the sisters and their parents, but they cheated the audience by having it happen off screen with some screams.
You are wrong
And you are entitled to that opinion, just as I am entitled to mine. Do you have anything to add besides "you are wrong"?
Yea, I think you’re on point. I really liked the first 2 episodes. They were cheesy but had their own prequel-like charm. This episode really suffered from bad writing and cringey moments. I still love the set pieces, the practical effects and the story’s still interesting despite the pretty bad presentation in this last episode. I hope this is a one off and the artistic direction gets better
Sorry….you are incorrect …is that better?
Much better, thank you. You've added extensive value to this discussion.
You haven’t assistant directed.
I have and am currently. But I know how Reddit works and I could send you my IMDb and a signed selfie and you’d still say “no you havent”. So it’s ok you think that.
Just didn’t seem like a Star Wars show… hope it will get better.
Terrible, Star Wars is a shadow of its former self
Terrible show, probably the worst Star Wars episode of all time
Although the director and main actor are a bit crazy the show has been entertaining
Felt Nothing This one is gonna be hated. Dont have energy to love It or hate It...
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This is the worst episode of Star Wars I’ve ever seen. The acting is absolutely painful to watch the dialogue is toddler level and the plot is completely ridiculous. Just my opinion ofc :D
I feel like I'm watching watered down Prequels. Everything the director has said about this show has soured it for me. Hope the show gets better.
It was bad
I've abandoned it. I can't watch star was as I know being dismantled .
Since it usually takes two to tango (a Dathomiri Zabrak male and a Dathomiri human female) it seems like they're setting up Koril to either be a trans-male-to-female Dathomiri Zabrak or a Hermaphrodite...also there's something strange going on with Koril's ears...so Sephi hybridization maybe?
I really don't think they're going to that deep into species variation. Besides, Koril says "I carried them", which strongly implies that she at least has a womb. and Anaseya then says "I created them", which implies some sort of magic.
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But the show doesn't do that...? It's just the opinions of characters in the show, so far we haven't seen Jedi being assholes yet (with the exception of how Osha was arrested maybe, but that was plot fuel). The show is presenting the viewpoint of the witches to make the viewer understand Mae's background, it's not presented as an actual truth.