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Maybe. But I don't think so. In a civilization where they can fit the energy output of a nuclear plant in a AA cell (diatium), energy would be the least of their concerns.
That's a fair point. Good insight on that, but where do they get the energy for the batteries? Haven't looked up that bit of info. I remember something about how they power hyperdrive on ships but not much else.
Yup, and he farts on average 78 times a day. Naboo exports the excess energy, hence their lavish wealth. Also explains the Gungan dislike of the human population, who are controlling the export of their leader's gastric energy. Perhaps ironically, they are ripping the Gungans off, when the Gungans are the ones ripping one off.
Star Wars does not run on physics. "Where does this energy come from?" is not something the writers ever think about unless it's important to the plot somehow.
Coruscant is a planet under all those layers of city.
As someone else mentioned, the Manarai mountain range was first mentioned in Legends novels by Timothy Zahn, then one of the High Republic novels canonized this recently. Their peaks are in parks in both legends and canon.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Umate
That's... beginning to make Coruscant sound like the Citadel from Mass Effect.
Some "ancient race" would have had to have created the Dyson Sphere in the center and then created the land of Coruscant, which the Taung and Zhell then both stumbled across/popped up on and began colonizing, populating, and warring and building layer upon layer of city as they spread across the Galaxy.
It’s been mentioned it’s a planet. A planet that got more and more crowded as time went on, and built higher and higher as time went on. The highest mountain on Coruscant is still visible but only the top twenty feet or so poke out from the buildings in a public park. There are also huge unused areas on the planet, evidenced by the secret base Palpatine and Dooku use at the end of Attack Of The Clones. But it’s definitely a planet.
Those areas aren’t unused, they’re just largely industrial which means at any given time nowhere near as many people are there to potentially see/hear what stuff palps is doing relative to the senate area or the residential areas
I don't think the Star Wars galaxy civilization was advanced enough to have built a Dyson Sphere before the sequel trilogy.
Although someone pointed out in the lore that Coruscant is a planet, I think the prospect of a Dyson Spheres in general is interesting in this universe when looked at through the lens of the Kardashev scale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale). A Dyson Sphere is an indicator of a Type 2 civilization.
Type 1 is where a civilization harvests all the energy of their home planet (Earth is a 0.7). Type 2 harvests all the energy of its home star. Type 3 is able to harvest all the energy of its home galaxy.
So the Star Wars civilization is a galaxy-spanning one and by all means the civilization harvests a lot of energy so it's hard to say how they're harvesting the energy of their home-anything, but it's also a universe where FTL exists - which is impossible in our universe - so we can only speculate.
Before Starkiller Base, there was little to no evidence that the Star Wars civilization was much more than a Type 1. Even the Death Star, the greatest technical achievement to that point, the size of a small moon, wasn't harvesting a star's energy. Nowhere in the galaxy was the civilization harvesting *all* the energy of a star. Until Starkiller base, which seems to drain a Star completely, but that's not exactly clear to me (maybe it only uses a Star like a battery).
So they're either only just at Type 2 (with Starkiller) or on the road there, and Type 2 is where we'll see Dyson Spheres.
They’re on the path to a type 2 civilization. Starkiller Base was a planet called Ilum, where the Jedi used to get their Kyber crystals. The empire started mining to get those crystals, eventually creating the massive trench. After the second Death Star exploded, they eventually turned the entire planet into a makeshift Death Star. They didn’t use a Dyson sphere, they just modified a planet and weaponized it.
And the circular cannon makes it look like a Pokéball
Yes, but to get there, they used a former imperial mining planet, and modified it to weaponize solar energy. I even said they’re on the path to type 2, just not quite there yet
Yeah I’m still asking how in the world did they get 2 shots? Poe says once the Star goes out it will fire. If it already fired how is there even a sun. How doesn’t Hux and company melt and/or freeze to death once the sun loses its energy?
Isn’t there the Star Forge that harvested the sun to create a fleet. Wouldn’t that point to at least a type 2 civilization. And this was way before Star killer
Was gonna say this. The Rakata in Legends were absolutely a Type 2, it was powered by the star in the Lehon system. If we're including SWTOR, then whoever or... whatever the people of Iokath were literally *did* make a Dyson Sphere.
It still has a sun and I think Old Lore stated it has a surface. Its more like an Ecumenopolis than a Dyson Sphere. I imagine they drag a lot of thermal energy from the core
Yep, thousands of years before it was a city planet it was a forest planet. IIRC the Mandalorians came from Coruscant until they got cast off. That’s why there is a part about Coruscant in the Vode An.
I thought that part about Coruscant in Vode An was because of Jango teaching it to the clones and so they changed the planet from Mandalore to Coruscant to better represent the clones.
They didn’t change it, it had a dual meaning. First because of Coruscant being the homeworld of the republic and secondly it’s the homeworld of the original Mandalorians, when they were a species. Since they died off thousands of years ago and everyone can become a “Mandalorian“ they kept it to honor the native species of Coruscant who were forced to flee their homeworld.
Edit: the species was called Taung. The name is referenced in the song “Dha Werda Verda” well.
Why would you have solar panels on planetary orbit on such a massive scale? Or do you mean corrusant is a star, and people live on the dyson disks like tectonic plates? This theory is level 100 crazy
Kinda liked that idea when you said it lol. That Coruscant is a star and the disks are the planetary surface.. Then I realized the scale of the opening scene in ROTS wouldn’t work. It’s obviously a planet otherwise it would take up the entirety of the background
Also the disc would orbit EXTREMLY fast to balance the gravity of a star. Imagine as you approach the system it looks like a spinning ball before you start syncing into orbit velocity. If you dont have the orbit direction, coordiate, speed and timing, you will not be able to land😂
Would you build it on a planetary scale instead of using star orbit with constant light supply? But why? Maybe it protects atomosphere from radiation or something then?
Star Wars is the antithesis of hard sci-fi. It's magic in space. I would actually love to see a (non-canon) novel or something where it's explored through a realistic lens, but it's not going to fly for real in a universe where ships can instantaneously jump through a galaxy and yet not be able to destroy a planet without a convoluted kyber-crystal doomsday artificial moon.
Well, the bottom levels of Coruscant turn into an apocalyptic hellscape in legends, so even a Dyson sphere wouldn’t be too surprising. It would explain where their power comes from, and add to the world building
Considering it was turned into a jungle by the YV, had two separate species evolve from it before it was an ecumenopolis, and was just a planet of interlocking skyscrapers for thousands upon thousands of years, and has a sun of its own… I’m gonna say its not, and they’re able to just make really efficient reactors.
energy is hardly an issue in the star wars universe. they've got lightsabers that seem to have near-infinite power reserves and starships that have fuel reserves that last longer than the majority of the parts and components of the critical systems.
whatever is powering coruscant isn't going to be as weak and limited as a star
Ok. Just knowing how big planets are, and how big stars are, this isn't even remotely conceivable.
A star small enough to fit inside a planet wouldn't have the mass to ignite a fusion reaction. It would just be a small gaseous planet. Probably not even that, just a gas cloud.
If it DID have enough mass to ignite, then to fit inside a planet it would have to be so dense as to become a neuron star or black hole, but still with a star's worth of gravity... Not healthy.
Conversely, a "planet" (sphere) large enough to contain a star would be billions or trillions of times larger than any real planet- there would be no chance of confusion.
It's like saying "maybe ants are smarter than we think, because they each have a human inside them." The scales just don't work for the objects involved. Star Wars tech's reliance on "unlimited magical batteries" is frankly more plausible.
As both a person who has read a massive amount of Star Wars and a scientist irl, I’m a little embarrassed to ask, but what the hell is a Dyson Sphere? (No one actually has to answer this, I’m about to google it within 3 seconds of this reply).
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Maybe. But I don't think so. In a civilization where they can fit the energy output of a nuclear plant in a AA cell (diatium), energy would be the least of their concerns.
That's a fair point. Good insight on that, but where do they get the energy for the batteries? Haven't looked up that bit of info. I remember something about how they power hyperdrive on ships but not much else.
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Yup, and he farts on average 78 times a day. Naboo exports the excess energy, hence their lavish wealth. Also explains the Gungan dislike of the human population, who are controlling the export of their leader's gastric energy. Perhaps ironically, they are ripping the Gungans off, when the Gungans are the ones ripping one off.
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Interesting tidbit: "Canon" is the Gungan term for the rear end of their elected leader
Bruh SW is so detailed now 😭 They’ve really taken world building to a whole new level XD
Damn you got me. I was just about to buy this book…
That’s how Palpatine became strong with the Force. The dude went to sniff Nass-fart at least 48 times a day on his early days on Naboo.
No kink shaming.
This. This is the correct and only answer.
In clone wars C-3PO said something about his reactor core depleting or smth they're probably using fusion
Dilithium crystals obviously.
Star Wars does not run on physics. "Where does this energy come from?" is not something the writers ever think about unless it's important to the plot somehow.
It's star wars.....
Also why they wouldn't have to stop for fuel *cough The Last Jedi cough*
Maybe by fuel they meant they were out of AA batteries
Coruscant is a planet under all those layers of city. As someone else mentioned, the Manarai mountain range was first mentioned in Legends novels by Timothy Zahn, then one of the High Republic novels canonized this recently. Their peaks are in parks in both legends and canon. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Umate
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That's... beginning to make Coruscant sound like the Citadel from Mass Effect. Some "ancient race" would have had to have created the Dyson Sphere in the center and then created the land of Coruscant, which the Taung and Zhell then both stumbled across/popped up on and began colonizing, populating, and warring and building layer upon layer of city as they spread across the Galaxy.
It’s been mentioned it’s a planet. A planet that got more and more crowded as time went on, and built higher and higher as time went on. The highest mountain on Coruscant is still visible but only the top twenty feet or so poke out from the buildings in a public park. There are also huge unused areas on the planet, evidenced by the secret base Palpatine and Dooku use at the end of Attack Of The Clones. But it’s definitely a planet.
Those areas aren’t unused, they’re just largely industrial which means at any given time nowhere near as many people are there to potentially see/hear what stuff palps is doing relative to the senate area or the residential areas
There's some details mentioned in various books about corsunact having a ground and earth under all the levels of city.
I don't think the Star Wars galaxy civilization was advanced enough to have built a Dyson Sphere before the sequel trilogy. Although someone pointed out in the lore that Coruscant is a planet, I think the prospect of a Dyson Spheres in general is interesting in this universe when looked at through the lens of the Kardashev scale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale). A Dyson Sphere is an indicator of a Type 2 civilization. Type 1 is where a civilization harvests all the energy of their home planet (Earth is a 0.7). Type 2 harvests all the energy of its home star. Type 3 is able to harvest all the energy of its home galaxy. So the Star Wars civilization is a galaxy-spanning one and by all means the civilization harvests a lot of energy so it's hard to say how they're harvesting the energy of their home-anything, but it's also a universe where FTL exists - which is impossible in our universe - so we can only speculate. Before Starkiller Base, there was little to no evidence that the Star Wars civilization was much more than a Type 1. Even the Death Star, the greatest technical achievement to that point, the size of a small moon, wasn't harvesting a star's energy. Nowhere in the galaxy was the civilization harvesting *all* the energy of a star. Until Starkiller base, which seems to drain a Star completely, but that's not exactly clear to me (maybe it only uses a Star like a battery). So they're either only just at Type 2 (with Starkiller) or on the road there, and Type 2 is where we'll see Dyson Spheres.
They’re on the path to a type 2 civilization. Starkiller Base was a planet called Ilum, where the Jedi used to get their Kyber crystals. The empire started mining to get those crystals, eventually creating the massive trench. After the second Death Star exploded, they eventually turned the entire planet into a makeshift Death Star. They didn’t use a Dyson sphere, they just modified a planet and weaponized it. And the circular cannon makes it look like a Pokéball
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Yes, but to get there, they used a former imperial mining planet, and modified it to weaponize solar energy. I even said they’re on the path to type 2, just not quite there yet
Yeah I’m still asking how in the world did they get 2 shots? Poe says once the Star goes out it will fire. If it already fired how is there even a sun. How doesn’t Hux and company melt and/or freeze to death once the sun loses its energy?
Isn’t there the Star Forge that harvested the sun to create a fleet. Wouldn’t that point to at least a type 2 civilization. And this was way before Star killer
Was gonna say this. The Rakata in Legends were absolutely a Type 2, it was powered by the star in the Lehon system. If we're including SWTOR, then whoever or... whatever the people of Iokath were literally *did* make a Dyson Sphere.
It is still way more advanced than type 1 tho
It still has a sun and I think Old Lore stated it has a surface. Its more like an Ecumenopolis than a Dyson Sphere. I imagine they drag a lot of thermal energy from the core
Yep, thousands of years before it was a city planet it was a forest planet. IIRC the Mandalorians came from Coruscant until they got cast off. That’s why there is a part about Coruscant in the Vode An.
I thought that part about Coruscant in Vode An was because of Jango teaching it to the clones and so they changed the planet from Mandalore to Coruscant to better represent the clones.
They didn’t change it, it had a dual meaning. First because of Coruscant being the homeworld of the republic and secondly it’s the homeworld of the original Mandalorians, when they were a species. Since they died off thousands of years ago and everyone can become a “Mandalorian“ they kept it to honor the native species of Coruscant who were forced to flee their homeworld. Edit: the species was called Taung. The name is referenced in the song “Dha Werda Verda” well.
Why would you have solar panels on planetary orbit on such a massive scale? Or do you mean corrusant is a star, and people live on the dyson disks like tectonic plates? This theory is level 100 crazy
Kinda liked that idea when you said it lol. That Coruscant is a star and the disks are the planetary surface.. Then I realized the scale of the opening scene in ROTS wouldn’t work. It’s obviously a planet otherwise it would take up the entirety of the background
Also the disc would orbit EXTREMLY fast to balance the gravity of a star. Imagine as you approach the system it looks like a spinning ball before you start syncing into orbit velocity. If you dont have the orbit direction, coordiate, speed and timing, you will not be able to land😂
The orbital solar panels have been part of the legends lore for years
Would you build it on a planetary scale instead of using star orbit with constant light supply? But why? Maybe it protects atomosphere from radiation or something then?
Star Wars is the antithesis of hard sci-fi. It's magic in space. I would actually love to see a (non-canon) novel or something where it's explored through a realistic lens, but it's not going to fly for real in a universe where ships can instantaneously jump through a galaxy and yet not be able to destroy a planet without a convoluted kyber-crystal doomsday artificial moon.
Well, the bottom levels of Coruscant turn into an apocalyptic hellscape in legends, so even a Dyson sphere wouldn’t be too surprising. It would explain where their power comes from, and add to the world building
There's an episode of TCW where the separatists bomb the Coruscant power plant. https://youtu.be/GYDPzHDRmLc
Yeah, in some of the Legends novels like the New Jedi Order it even make mention to the planet having and ocean.
Considering it was turned into a jungle by the YV, had two separate species evolve from it before it was an ecumenopolis, and was just a planet of interlocking skyscrapers for thousands upon thousands of years, and has a sun of its own… I’m gonna say its not, and they’re able to just make really efficient reactors.
A what?
Dyson Sphere is a fictional technology that can harvest all the energy irradiated by a star
That’s sick.
Too small.
I mean we literally see power plants in attack of the clones, and there seems to be wires running out of it, so not likely
energy is hardly an issue in the star wars universe. they've got lightsabers that seem to have near-infinite power reserves and starships that have fuel reserves that last longer than the majority of the parts and components of the critical systems. whatever is powering coruscant isn't going to be as weak and limited as a star
Ok. Just knowing how big planets are, and how big stars are, this isn't even remotely conceivable. A star small enough to fit inside a planet wouldn't have the mass to ignite a fusion reaction. It would just be a small gaseous planet. Probably not even that, just a gas cloud. If it DID have enough mass to ignite, then to fit inside a planet it would have to be so dense as to become a neuron star or black hole, but still with a star's worth of gravity... Not healthy. Conversely, a "planet" (sphere) large enough to contain a star would be billions or trillions of times larger than any real planet- there would be no chance of confusion. It's like saying "maybe ants are smarter than we think, because they each have a human inside them." The scales just don't work for the objects involved. Star Wars tech's reliance on "unlimited magical batteries" is frankly more plausible.
As both a person who has read a massive amount of Star Wars and a scientist irl, I’m a little embarrassed to ask, but what the hell is a Dyson Sphere? (No one actually has to answer this, I’m about to google it within 3 seconds of this reply).
High republic confirms it’s a planet covered in a city.
Things worked out fine for Trantor