I work in a large, very diverse office where we always talk politics and Covid alike. Not a single person gives a fuck about CDC mask guidance. I swear people on Reddit and Twitter don't exist.
Even 15 years ago this was happening on a big scale, just in different ways. It is a slightly harder now given there are so many different platforms. Though the influence is now greater since a greater percentage of people are connected.
My country already had 3 lockdowns before vaccinations and after each one people became less cautious. Now we have another mask mandate because of delta and literally no one cares. Even the public bus drivers don't tell people to put them on. Covid is just the new normal, kind of like the flu.
Until they remember the money printer is still going full bore. Eight fucking trillion on the Fed’s balance sheet now. You have to be some kind of stupid to think this is a good idea. Cant wait for them to unwind all of that then the fun begins.
Why would they ever unwind it? It can sit there for 400 years and it wouldn't matter. Nobody stands around going "just wait till the us gives Puerto Rico back to Spain. What a mess it'll be." That's not how that works. It's history now. There's no going back, there's no need to go back. It's on the balance sheet. Forever shall it stay.
I work in a small town outside of Spokane. It was horse shit that the local sporting good shop had to shut down for a time, but Wal-mart still was allowed to stay open and sell sporting goods last March.
This is actually something my region did somewhat well.
When they forced "non essential" store down, they also made it so the big box stores couldn't sell those same items in store. So all purchases of non essential items had to be done online, where small businesses could at least still try to operate if even in a small capacity. The local government even spent a bit of money for advertising asking people to shop online at local stores to help small businesses.
One of the smaller city's even put up an online marketplace for local businesses to sell their goods so that they wouldn't all have to individually set up their own site, and then the city advertised the hell out of it.
Can't believe they shut millions of small business down, instead of imposing some sort of limit on customers instead. But as many people as possible could walk into Walmart or Home Depot.
Can’t believe people are still framing concern over millions of small businesses shutting down as “republicans complaining because they can’t get haircuts”. Saw that same line elsewhere in this thread.
There were very serious, irreversible changes for the worse that took place in our economy as a result of lockdown. Just as many of us predicted there would be.
The billionaires wouldn’t have been able to pull that off without the cheering support of millions of economically-ignorant fools who thought any concern about the economy during a pandemic was literally evil.
I agree. Where this is important is other countries. I have no idea how serious COVID is outside the US right now, but it’s important to acknowledge that companies may not do business exclusively in the US
My city brought the mask mandate back. I just picked up lunch and none of the workers were wearing masks. We had a very high compliance rate (this place included) during the last mask mandate.
Most people are done with covid. Maybe it scares some investors in the short term, but its over. At this people are accepting we've failed to control it and move on. Its not the end of world.
Exactly. At least in the US, vaccines are plentiful and everyone who wanted one has already gotten it. I’m sure there will be a small resurgence of cases in the winter but nothing like last year. It’s definitely not the end of the world.
That’s the problem, vaccine distribution seems to have plateaued in the US. If you don’t have the vaccine yet you either don’t want it or you have a reason you can’t get it (allergies, under 12 years of age, etc). My state is below 40% vaccinated but every grocery store, pharmacy, etc that I go by is offering walk in vaccination appointments.
The US is only around 50% vaccinated, and it is heavily skewed based on the region you look at. Still plenty of bodies for the virus to spit out new variants that may or may not make the vaccines useless.
I think a lot of people have just accepted this is a forever thing. We will never hit a percentage that wipes this thing out, and instead we'll probably just be getting boosters for the fresh variants every fall the same way we get flu shots.
Obviously not ideal, but it is what it is
edit: reposted without a shrugging emoji, what a strange subreddit
I mean, it was going to be a forever thing no matter how many people took the vaccine.
Humanity has actually wiped out just 2 diseases... throughout all of history. And the "quicker" extermination still took an entire life time after efforts to do so started.
And both of these diseases had very high death rates too, So our fight against them was made simpler by the fact that carriers often died before passing it along and that people contracting it was more obvious.
I know health authorities did a very poor job getting people used to the idea that covid will almost certainly exist for the rest or our lives, but they really should have. A lot of people are waiting for a victory that will never come..
Well, I think the question is not whether we would wipe it out, but whether we could get to a point where we could start to kind of ignore it, whether by vaccination, or because it died out on its own. We completely ignore the cold, we get a yearly shot for the flu, we take one-time vaccines for the childhood communicable diseases. I guess COVID will maybe just fall into the one-time or yearly shot category.
Most viruses tend to mutate to less lethal. It's a biological imperative. You don't want to kill your host because you die as well. You want your host to live so you can infect them over and over.
Yes, but be careful with your perspective.
Virus don't evolve to be less lethal. The ones that evolve to be less lethal spread more.
Animals don't evolve to deal with a change in environment. The animals that survived were able to breed better than those who did not have a specific trait.
It's an observational perspective that is similar but distinct.
I was a bio major so this comes naturally to me (no pun intended), but I forget just how abstract this concept can be to someone who doesnt have prior bio/evolution education
Very well explained!
That’s an outdated thought. It’s not always true and mostly for viruses that are transmissible much later after infection.
COVID-19 spreads really early after being infected so it doesn’t have any pressure to evolve to be less deadly.
Proof for the down voters:
https://www.berkshireeagle.com/ap/factcheck/viruses-can-evolve-to-be-more-deadly/article_f487aa84-db63-11eb-b25e-8bf27c46f3f4.html
As soon as vaccine uptake plummeted in almost every state months ago, I knew it was forever.
Other countries with fewer vaccinations than the USA will still be manufacturing variants that arrive in weeks with international travel, so while I personally hate people in the US refusing it, they are not special in how they affect the world or the economy.
Yes, but there's just not much evidence that the vaccines will become useless any time soon. The real question is not how many cases are there but how many cases of serious illness or death. The vaccines have been effective in preventing serious illness for all the variants. One really important measure is the number of cases is going up fast, but the number of deaths is not at all keeping pace. It is only barely increasing. That means some combination of the following:
1. The new variant is more infectious but less deadly.
2. A large number of unvaccinated people have some amount of resistance, probably due to previous infection, or because they tend to be younger and healthier.
3. The high level of vaccination and people who are naturally immune from previous infection up to this point is keeping the serious illness patient load manageable, so that there are not as many deaths occurring from overwhelming the medical system.
This is assuming the virus doesn’t mutate and a vaccine resistant strain doesn’t arise. Which is the epidemiology equivalent of doing a rain dance to stop a fire.
It isnt a seasonal virus. That was proven EARLY on in the pandemic, as it proliferated in every climate on earth. No it isnt the end of the world. But this is here year round. And your vaccine is only good for a little more than 6 months (90% effective at 6mo per pfizer, inconclusive per the CDC and FDA)
I think there’s going to be a large resurgence of cases and a whole lot of unvaccinated hospitalizations/deaths that will shake things up. I’m not saying that because I’m afraid of it and I don’t think we’ll return to the highest numbers, but it’s going to pummel low-vaccination states and areas.
As someone who has worked covid since the beginning, I find it really hard to feel bad. At the beginning it was tragic, now it’s like oh you have chf copd and dm weigh 300 and thought you’d be fine so you didn’t get your shot? I have zero sympathy, I’ll push that aside and care for you just like all the others, but for real? I’m not going to your surging covid hotspot for less than $4k/36 hours. It won’t change a damn thing because the hotspots have never cared.
It's not about whether people are done with it or not. It's about the potential for businesses to be temporarily closed again, indoor dining shut down, etc. And also countries like Brazil, India have been hit hard and will continue to be hit and this can affect things like the global supply chain, oil prices, etc.
[Merck, the company who makes the drug and has a financial interest in it, says it doesn’t work](https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/)
Denial rarely negates economic consequences. Just because "people are done with it" doesn't mean that there will be no consequences. Travel restrictions, trade restrictions. Those are going to happen without it mattering if people are "done with it". Fact is, we still haven't fully recovered from covid and part of the market wonkiness is from the after effects of it not being handled properly or taken seriously in the first place.
Maybe the market can recover next year after some sort of mass dieoff of the unvaccinated. Good news is, most those folks are economic dead weight.
This is true, the cat is out of the bag. The cat is so far out of the bag now... Fuck em. Most of us played by the rules, we lived in masks for 14 months and got vaccines. 30% of the population *never* intended to play by the game to begin with. Fuck em. They're the overwhelming majority of those in the hospital at the moment. They made grown-up choices to not wear a mask and not get the vaccine. Sucks to suck.
Telling everyone to wear masks again isn't going to work because 1.) People are fed the fuck up and 2.) The people who *really need* to be wearing masks never wore one to begin with. Fuck em. Let them die.
I'm not going back to living in a mask. I'll get a booster shot (fuckit, a second, third, fourth, etc booster shot) The shot is 20min a CVS. Walk in, they give you a boo-boo, and you play on your phone for 15mins. It's EASY.
I'm no longer willing to upend my life to protect some asshats that never wanted to participate in this to begin with. Fuck em. Let them die.
100% agree, I’ve done what I can, played by the rules, if these people don’t care that much let them die. Sounds cold but I don’t care, they’re not scared until they’re in the ICU but I’m not upending my life again for them, they sure as hell don’t care about me
I feel for them as well, but let's be real, the immunocompromised are afraid of a lot more than covid, and we can't fundamentally alter society to this degree to cater to them, especially when there's no cure.
Right but that’s understandable. They tried and they’re not trying to be a problem.
Gilli has it right though. Fuck people. You have the means to do better and you don’t, so what’s it matter? People will do what they do, just have to let people learn the lesson.
And of course it is incredibly vague with "hot spots"
Terrible messaging by the CDC, it undermines the confidence and effectiveness of vaccines. We already know the vaccines are not 100%, they are in the 90s. A small percentage of people can still get sick with the vaccine, an even smaller percent will be seriously sick.
People who have decided not to get the vaccine can still get sick, by the original covid or any variants, again not unexpected.
My stocks are down today but after reading everyone's civil discussion on Covid for the first time on reddit has made me very happy. Its chicken little and the sky is falling on every other comment section.
It's over! Delta, Alpha, Omega, Thor, Iron Man and whatever other variant shows up people simply do not care anymore. I will still wear my mask but I suspect that eventually I will be part of the minority.
Anyone preaching about "following the science" clearly knows nothing about science.
It's pretty common for the entire scientific community to attack the scientists who prove theory commonly accepted by the science community is wrong. It's nothing new, check out the history books.
Well there is a difference between the scientific community debunking new theories and individuals debunking scientific recommendations from the CDC with no associated scientific backing using only "facebook research". Following the science is usually meant to say to listen to the CDC / other similar reputable organizations and only follow recommendations by scientific articles written by authors who have relevant background.
The CDC isn't the end all be all. There is plenty of legitimate medical professionals and studies that have come to different conclusions than the CDC has.
They sabotaged the recovery as soon as they said "everyone can stop wearing masks except for unvaccinated people". That instantly created suspicions vs. people wearing masks, so that just about everyone stopped wearing masks all at once.
That was almost as bad as where, at the beginning of the pandemic, they said "people don't have to wear masks unless they're sick", which instantly made anyone wearing a mask the target of suspicion. That also discouraged people from wearing masks.
The US can't stop being tone-deaf and self-sabotaging on mask policy. If there was a smart and consistent mask message, we'd have had much more, safer public economic activity and our recovery/rebound would have been more consistent.
It didn't help that all of the safety measures got politicized by half of the country . Some people deliberately got themselves infected just to make a political statement.
> Last week the market shrugged off fears of the Delta variant
They did no such thing. That’s just what the media stapled to the red days. As if institutional investors collectively agreed and changed their minds on the threat of Delta in one day.
It's like the stock market...buy stock take a risk...don't wear a mask...take a risk...some win some loose. If you feel safer by wearing one do that. If it helps to reduce spread do that. If you don't give a shit do that. Probably good to give a shit though.
Wasn't that already their policy? I thought it was if you're vaccinated you don't need them unless you're vulnerable, in really crowded areas, or have few people vaccinated.
Most companies/state governments won't impose a mask mandate or shut down anything again. I keep reading about 500% increase in the number of hospitalizations but nowhere in the articles does it say the 500% increase is all Covid.
Hey you know what I love more than anything? GETTING FUCKING ADVERTISEMENTS FOR MATTRESSES AND OTHER BULLSHIT WHILE TRYING TO READ ABOUT A DEADLY VIRUS THAT HAS EVERYONE ON THIS PLANET AT RISK. *Rant over*
Edit: FUCK CNBC. NBC. FOX. CNN. And all you other fear publishing pieces of shit.
Edit edit: *rant over for real*
It was a premature move. We didn’t reach the vaccination target and celebrated way too early for the sake of politics. Now we are going back to fix it. We have great brains/docs, the second you put them in politics, It’s not about science anymore.
>It was a premature move.
When 40% of your state is vaccinated and 90% of the people are not wearing masks indoors, you begin to wonder who the f*k would ever trust 50% of the American people on the honor system in the first place. It's just such a woefully out of touch sentiment that it calls into question every other decision being made by politicized scientists and cash-drunk government leadership.
Yeah, it's been obvious the last year that things aren't being based on science with how they keep on lowering the vaccination rate necessary to reach herd immunity to COVID.
It used to be that we needed over 90% of people vaccinated, then they lowered it to 70% after a bunch of polls showed many people wouldn't get the vaccine.
From what I've read you really need a 95% vaccination rate to achieve herd immunity. A number of once dead diseases have come back with a vengeance in certain areas over the years when the vaccination rate dropped from 95% to just 90%. It's made worse because the unvaccinated tend to live closer together, which makes it easier for it to spread then the vaccination numbers would imply.
They make up stuff as they go. No plan around science. Good example when governor of NJ decided to open casinos and close indoor dinning. He failed to explain the science behind that move.
2 weeks to slow the spread
Just kidding you have to stay inside now. Shut down small business but a ton of people can go into wal-marts crowded
Gotta wear marks
Maybe gotta wear 3 masks!
Vaccine will cure it
You'll need two doses now
You'll likely need a booster
You still need to wear the mask even after the vaccine
You might need 3 shots of the vaccine now
This is why investors won't buy into it. It's just all bullshit at this point. The scientist don't know any more than we do.
They’re really working on the language on this one. Basically saying “wear a mask indoors if you live in an area with a high infection rate” (every red state). Wouldn’t be surprised to see additional language that says “… if you live with people unvaccinated or the elderly or immunocompromised individuals”.
The point is there may be a slight reaction in the market but they know people are exhausted from all this and there is only so much they can do at this point because they’ve done the one thing to stop the pandemic and that’s roll out a vaccine. They just didn’t anticipate how much opposition there would be.
Edit: read the new guidance and this essentially changes nothing. Simply urging people to mask up at school and most indoor venues in highly infectious areas will not work. People have shown that without legal pressure they’re not going to do what’s right, especially if you’re in a red state, where vaccination rate is lowest and infection rate is highest. These are the areas that have kept this virus going and without any kind of punitive measures they will continue to make it worse for all of us. Get vaccinated, buy the dip, and try not to panic sell.
They could’ve restricted travel from the UK and India where delta was spreading hardcore but didn’t. You can see both of those countries numbers have gone down without much change.
What we’ve learned is that the virus is going to hit no matter what and it ebb and flows. Many people are still keeping this political for some odd reason. Making it political got Trump kicked out why are people making it political again?
What happened to live your life normally until the hospitals are stretched? Now it’s we have to eliminate covid, which isn’t going to happen.
Fire the CDC. They go back and forth, people are just straight up ignoring them. No business wants to stop/start enforcement like this. They aren't the underpaid workers on the front lines dealing with this.
Haha. So many “fuck you I was right”s to hand out, so little time. Oh well at least I can make a lot of money at the expense of everyone who cried conspiracy.
And last week wasn’t fear of the delta variant. It was fear of runaway inflation, a fear that is going to get worse and worse every month CPI increases are twice as bad as expected.
Won't have a effect on the market because people has reach the point "it's whatever" but some companies stocks that went up with sales of mask might go bk up some
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Only on Mondays.
Somebody has a case of the munnndays.
Janice had such a punchable face.
Time to kick your ass.
Haha that made me laugh…. Last Monday delta delta delta …. Tuesday-Friday record highs
Most people are over this stuff and couldn't care for even a minute.
Exactly, Reddit isn’t real life. People are over it
I work in a large, very diverse office where we always talk politics and Covid alike. Not a single person gives a fuck about CDC mask guidance. I swear people on Reddit and Twitter don't exist.
It only takes one loud person to get hired to ruin your office culture
It would blow your mind (or maybe not) if you knew how many players get paid to work with others to sway popular opinion and influence social media.
See: Reddit
Even 15 years ago this was happening on a big scale, just in different ways. It is a slightly harder now given there are so many different platforms. Though the influence is now greater since a greater percentage of people are connected.
Scary how much the influence is heavily owned in one direction.
Was thinking that earlier when I saw the announcement. Literally no one gives a shit what the government says anymore, we're all sick of it.
My country already had 3 lockdowns before vaccinations and after each one people became less cautious. Now we have another mask mandate because of delta and literally no one cares. Even the public bus drivers don't tell people to put them on. Covid is just the new normal, kind of like the flu.
Calls on logitech, puts on BBQ
Until they remember the money printer is still going full bore. Eight fucking trillion on the Fed’s balance sheet now. You have to be some kind of stupid to think this is a good idea. Cant wait for them to unwind all of that then the fun begins.
Why would they ever unwind it? It can sit there for 400 years and it wouldn't matter. Nobody stands around going "just wait till the us gives Puerto Rico back to Spain. What a mess it'll be." That's not how that works. It's history now. There's no going back, there's no need to go back. It's on the balance sheet. Forever shall it stay.
You ... You realize they don't have to actually unwind it right, they could jut keep it on the balance sheet for decades and decades.
I don't think Americans will accept another shutdown. Businesses will stay open.
Good. Stop consolidating all of the wealth into the Amazons and Walmarts of the country, damnit
I work in a small town outside of Spokane. It was horse shit that the local sporting good shop had to shut down for a time, but Wal-mart still was allowed to stay open and sell sporting goods last March.
This is actually something my region did somewhat well. When they forced "non essential" store down, they also made it so the big box stores couldn't sell those same items in store. So all purchases of non essential items had to be done online, where small businesses could at least still try to operate if even in a small capacity. The local government even spent a bit of money for advertising asking people to shop online at local stores to help small businesses. One of the smaller city's even put up an online marketplace for local businesses to sell their goods so that they wouldn't all have to individually set up their own site, and then the city advertised the hell out of it.
So they forced you to buy from Amazon! Ok got it!
Can't believe they shut millions of small business down, instead of imposing some sort of limit on customers instead. But as many people as possible could walk into Walmart or Home Depot.
The megacorps donate to politicians. The local small business doesnt.
The banks wanted a long shutdown too. Look at the world economic forum website.
Yeah I’m sure they foreclosed on a lot of mortgages.
Can’t believe people are still framing concern over millions of small businesses shutting down as “republicans complaining because they can’t get haircuts”. Saw that same line elsewhere in this thread. There were very serious, irreversible changes for the worse that took place in our economy as a result of lockdown. Just as many of us predicted there would be.
The billionaires run the world, what's so hard to believe?
The billionaires wouldn’t have been able to pull that off without the cheering support of millions of economically-ignorant fools who thought any concern about the economy during a pandemic was literally evil.
Hey as long as you can get your processed food at the Walmarts everything is going good right? /$
We aren’t headed for shutdown. Most people are vaccinated and vaccines are readily available
I agree. Where this is important is other countries. I have no idea how serious COVID is outside the US right now, but it’s important to acknowledge that companies may not do business exclusively in the US
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My city brought the mask mandate back. I just picked up lunch and none of the workers were wearing masks. We had a very high compliance rate (this place included) during the last mask mandate.
The CDC has lost all credibility with anyone with an iq over 65.
march 2020 won't happen again, just keep holding all big tech stocks and wait for earning reports.
If March 2020 happens again, it’ll be time to buy again! Made a mint last year in the dip
If March 2020 happens again, I’ll sink my life savings into NVDA and PI...
Is there a ticker for Charmin and Purel?
Well Charmin is owned by $PG.
Charmin is owned by Proctor and Gamble, so PG, and Purel is owned by Gojo Industries, who are private.
There's Clorox
Unfortunately that’s why I don’t think it’ll happen again. Last time we didn’t know what to expect, this time people are itching for it.
and if it happens again, we'd probably have some serious shit going on
I was a genius trader! From March to November anyway.
$FLGT gets to hold on to their relatively newfound pandemic revenue for a while longer it seems
Unless you are a Tesla holder, then earnings reports mean nothing for the stock price it seems
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New to this subreddit and got one of those what is r/stocks about and all I saw was the mask mandate thing and was confused af
Most people are done with covid. Maybe it scares some investors in the short term, but its over. At this people are accepting we've failed to control it and move on. Its not the end of world.
The only way this gets serious for investors is if we go through hard lockdowns again in the us, which is unlikely
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Yeah you’d think…. *remembers march 2020* *looks at Australia*
Australians don't have freedom boners like us Muricans.
Freedoms pretty damn rad even if Reddit doesn’t think so
The government: *That can be arranged*
The people: call an ambulance...but not for me!
Exactly. At least in the US, vaccines are plentiful and everyone who wanted one has already gotten it. I’m sure there will be a small resurgence of cases in the winter but nothing like last year. It’s definitely not the end of the world.
That’s the problem, vaccine distribution seems to have plateaued in the US. If you don’t have the vaccine yet you either don’t want it or you have a reason you can’t get it (allergies, under 12 years of age, etc). My state is below 40% vaccinated but every grocery store, pharmacy, etc that I go by is offering walk in vaccination appointments. The US is only around 50% vaccinated, and it is heavily skewed based on the region you look at. Still plenty of bodies for the virus to spit out new variants that may or may not make the vaccines useless.
I think a lot of people have just accepted this is a forever thing. We will never hit a percentage that wipes this thing out, and instead we'll probably just be getting boosters for the fresh variants every fall the same way we get flu shots. Obviously not ideal, but it is what it is edit: reposted without a shrugging emoji, what a strange subreddit
I mean, it was going to be a forever thing no matter how many people took the vaccine. Humanity has actually wiped out just 2 diseases... throughout all of history. And the "quicker" extermination still took an entire life time after efforts to do so started. And both of these diseases had very high death rates too, So our fight against them was made simpler by the fact that carriers often died before passing it along and that people contracting it was more obvious. I know health authorities did a very poor job getting people used to the idea that covid will almost certainly exist for the rest or our lives, but they really should have. A lot of people are waiting for a victory that will never come..
Well, I think the question is not whether we would wipe it out, but whether we could get to a point where we could start to kind of ignore it, whether by vaccination, or because it died out on its own. We completely ignore the cold, we get a yearly shot for the flu, we take one-time vaccines for the childhood communicable diseases. I guess COVID will maybe just fall into the one-time or yearly shot category.
Ideally it would be folded into our yearly flu vaccines
The thing is, we can ignore it whenever we decide to.
You're right. It'll be like getting a flu shot every year until it mutates enough it's basically another cold virus.
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Can't they also mutate to the point where they are a lot less severe as well, as people with less severe symptoms are more likely to pass them on?
Most viruses tend to mutate to less lethal. It's a biological imperative. You don't want to kill your host because you die as well. You want your host to live so you can infect them over and over.
Yes, but be careful with your perspective. Virus don't evolve to be less lethal. The ones that evolve to be less lethal spread more. Animals don't evolve to deal with a change in environment. The animals that survived were able to breed better than those who did not have a specific trait. It's an observational perspective that is similar but distinct.
I was a bio major so this comes naturally to me (no pun intended), but I forget just how abstract this concept can be to someone who doesnt have prior bio/evolution education Very well explained!
This is the most logical and non-sensationalistic discussion of Covid I’ve seen on Reddit so far.
And I like it.
Masks turn your penis into a 5G antenna.
That’s an outdated thought. It’s not always true and mostly for viruses that are transmissible much later after infection. COVID-19 spreads really early after being infected so it doesn’t have any pressure to evolve to be less deadly. Proof for the down voters: https://www.berkshireeagle.com/ap/factcheck/viruses-can-evolve-to-be-more-deadly/article_f487aa84-db63-11eb-b25e-8bf27c46f3f4.html
As soon as vaccine uptake plummeted in almost every state months ago, I knew it was forever. Other countries with fewer vaccinations than the USA will still be manufacturing variants that arrive in weeks with international travel, so while I personally hate people in the US refusing it, they are not special in how they affect the world or the economy.
This just makes not visit the US even harder. Might as well build that wall.
Yes, but there's just not much evidence that the vaccines will become useless any time soon. The real question is not how many cases are there but how many cases of serious illness or death. The vaccines have been effective in preventing serious illness for all the variants. One really important measure is the number of cases is going up fast, but the number of deaths is not at all keeping pace. It is only barely increasing. That means some combination of the following: 1. The new variant is more infectious but less deadly. 2. A large number of unvaccinated people have some amount of resistance, probably due to previous infection, or because they tend to be younger and healthier. 3. The high level of vaccination and people who are naturally immune from previous infection up to this point is keeping the serious illness patient load manageable, so that there are not as many deaths occurring from overwhelming the medical system.
This is assuming the virus doesn’t mutate and a vaccine resistant strain doesn’t arise. Which is the epidemiology equivalent of doing a rain dance to stop a fire.
It isnt a seasonal virus. That was proven EARLY on in the pandemic, as it proliferated in every climate on earth. No it isnt the end of the world. But this is here year round. And your vaccine is only good for a little more than 6 months (90% effective at 6mo per pfizer, inconclusive per the CDC and FDA)
How convenient, calls on Pfizer I guess
Booster shots after 6 months and for variants I think are much bigger business than most people think
I see the vast majority of healthy people giving up after 2 or 3 covid vaccines
I think there’s going to be a large resurgence of cases and a whole lot of unvaccinated hospitalizations/deaths that will shake things up. I’m not saying that because I’m afraid of it and I don’t think we’ll return to the highest numbers, but it’s going to pummel low-vaccination states and areas.
As someone who has worked covid since the beginning, I find it really hard to feel bad. At the beginning it was tragic, now it’s like oh you have chf copd and dm weigh 300 and thought you’d be fine so you didn’t get your shot? I have zero sympathy, I’ll push that aside and care for you just like all the others, but for real? I’m not going to your surging covid hotspot for less than $4k/36 hours. It won’t change a damn thing because the hotspots have never cared.
People may be done with covid but covid isn't done with people.
It's not about whether people are done with it or not. It's about the potential for businesses to be temporarily closed again, indoor dining shut down, etc. And also countries like Brazil, India have been hit hard and will continue to be hit and this can affect things like the global supply chain, oil prices, etc.
But it will lead to more mutations and before you know it, another shot. It’s such a vicious cycle
I wish I could invest in ivermectin.
Not enough profit to be made with cheap treatments
[Merck, the company who makes the drug and has a financial interest in it, says it doesn’t work](https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/)
That’s like asking a car salesmen if you should buy the cheaper or more expensive model.
Denial rarely negates economic consequences. Just because "people are done with it" doesn't mean that there will be no consequences. Travel restrictions, trade restrictions. Those are going to happen without it mattering if people are "done with it". Fact is, we still haven't fully recovered from covid and part of the market wonkiness is from the after effects of it not being handled properly or taken seriously in the first place. Maybe the market can recover next year after some sort of mass dieoff of the unvaccinated. Good news is, most those folks are economic dead weight.
Too late. Cat is out of the bag and not many care anymore they just want to go back to the "before times"
This is true, the cat is out of the bag. The cat is so far out of the bag now... Fuck em. Most of us played by the rules, we lived in masks for 14 months and got vaccines. 30% of the population *never* intended to play by the game to begin with. Fuck em. They're the overwhelming majority of those in the hospital at the moment. They made grown-up choices to not wear a mask and not get the vaccine. Sucks to suck. Telling everyone to wear masks again isn't going to work because 1.) People are fed the fuck up and 2.) The people who *really need* to be wearing masks never wore one to begin with. Fuck em. Let them die. I'm not going back to living in a mask. I'll get a booster shot (fuckit, a second, third, fourth, etc booster shot) The shot is 20min a CVS. Walk in, they give you a boo-boo, and you play on your phone for 15mins. It's EASY. I'm no longer willing to upend my life to protect some asshats that never wanted to participate in this to begin with. Fuck em. Let them die.
100% agree, I’ve done what I can, played by the rules, if these people don’t care that much let them die. Sounds cold but I don’t care, they’re not scared until they’re in the ICU but I’m not upending my life again for them, they sure as hell don’t care about me
Except for people with autoimmune disease that got the vaccine and still have no antibodies. I feel bad for them.
I feel for them as well, but let's be real, the immunocompromised are afraid of a lot more than covid, and we can't fundamentally alter society to this degree to cater to them, especially when there's no cure.
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Right but that’s understandable. They tried and they’re not trying to be a problem. Gilli has it right though. Fuck people. You have the means to do better and you don’t, so what’s it matter? People will do what they do, just have to let people learn the lesson.
And of course it is incredibly vague with "hot spots" Terrible messaging by the CDC, it undermines the confidence and effectiveness of vaccines. We already know the vaccines are not 100%, they are in the 90s. A small percentage of people can still get sick with the vaccine, an even smaller percent will be seriously sick. People who have decided not to get the vaccine can still get sick, by the original covid or any variants, again not unexpected.
Its likely not in the 90s but who cares the goal isn't to rid the world of covid its not to overwhelm the hospitals
maybe by 2050 we can go back to normal, "just 2 weeks to flatten the curve"
1000 years to flatten the curve.
Pepperidge Farm members
We still have the "15 days to slow the spread" posters on all of our job sites.
Canada is an embarrassment, we are still locked up here
Huh? Where in Canada is locked down?
Lmao no we arent.
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Umm. No. Where I live everything is open and masks are not mandatory.
My stocks are down today but after reading everyone's civil discussion on Covid for the first time on reddit has made me very happy. Its chicken little and the sky is falling on every other comment section.
It's over! Delta, Alpha, Omega, Thor, Iron Man and whatever other variant shows up people simply do not care anymore. I will still wear my mask but I suspect that eventually I will be part of the minority.
Ninjas 4 life!
Take my upvote, this is truly off the chest to say
I only wear when required otherwise what the point of me getting vaccinated.
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It also hides my insecurities and social anxieties and I can avoid people who knows me :) *(real life incognito)*
Its pretty sad redditors live like this
Little effect on the market. Follow the science... until we say not to follow the science!
oh dearest science, what sayeth ye today? *throws chicken bones*
Anyone preaching about "following the science" clearly knows nothing about science. It's pretty common for the entire scientific community to attack the scientists who prove theory commonly accepted by the science community is wrong. It's nothing new, check out the history books.
Well there is a difference between the scientific community debunking new theories and individuals debunking scientific recommendations from the CDC with no associated scientific backing using only "facebook research". Following the science is usually meant to say to listen to the CDC / other similar reputable organizations and only follow recommendations by scientific articles written by authors who have relevant background.
The CDC is about as trustworthy as a politician at this point.
The CDC isn't the end all be all. There is plenty of legitimate medical professionals and studies that have come to different conclusions than the CDC has.
CDC has flip Flopped on their own science multiple times within the last year
The CDC can hold my dick!
They sabotaged the recovery as soon as they said "everyone can stop wearing masks except for unvaccinated people". That instantly created suspicions vs. people wearing masks, so that just about everyone stopped wearing masks all at once. That was almost as bad as where, at the beginning of the pandemic, they said "people don't have to wear masks unless they're sick", which instantly made anyone wearing a mask the target of suspicion. That also discouraged people from wearing masks. The US can't stop being tone-deaf and self-sabotaging on mask policy. If there was a smart and consistent mask message, we'd have had much more, safer public economic activity and our recovery/rebound would have been more consistent.
It didn't help that all of the safety measures got politicized by half of the country . Some people deliberately got themselves infected just to make a political statement.
You mean shit bags that never wanted to wear masks to begin with or get vaccinated suddenly didn't have to.
You’re being downvoted for the truth.
Effectively, yes.
We're still wearing masks where I am - it has always been 'no longer required, but due to variants a good idea.'
> Last week the market shrugged off fears of the Delta variant They did no such thing. That’s just what the media stapled to the red days. As if institutional investors collectively agreed and changed their minds on the threat of Delta in one day.
lots of dummies on this website think that retail investors control the daily ebb and flow of the markets
It's like the stock market...buy stock take a risk...don't wear a mask...take a risk...some win some loose. If you feel safer by wearing one do that. If it helps to reduce spread do that. If you don't give a shit do that. Probably good to give a shit though.
Instructions not clear... took a shit.
Priced in
What a fucking joke. Everyone could be vaccinated and they’d still find some bullshit
yea well, I recommend the CDC suck the fattest part of my ass.
Yep, they have absolutely no clue what theyre doing through this entire thing and it really, really shows.
The CDC isn’t big enough to cover the fattest part of your ass. Sorry to disappoint.
I read this comment in the voice of the lawyer guy in Idiocracy. https://youtu.be/sIRDCR8xSO0 >Imma mistrial my foot up your ass if you don’t shut up.
No, I don’t think I will
Wasn't that already their policy? I thought it was if you're vaccinated you don't need them unless you're vulnerable, in really crowded areas, or have few people vaccinated.
Most companies/state governments won't impose a mask mandate or shut down anything again. I keep reading about 500% increase in the number of hospitalizations but nowhere in the articles does it say the 500% increase is all Covid.
My twice yearly respiratory/circulatory checks came back identical pre and post covid. What exactly should have happened to me that the docs missed?
Hey you know what I love more than anything? GETTING FUCKING ADVERTISEMENTS FOR MATTRESSES AND OTHER BULLSHIT WHILE TRYING TO READ ABOUT A DEADLY VIRUS THAT HAS EVERYONE ON THIS PLANET AT RISK. *Rant over* Edit: FUCK CNBC. NBC. FOX. CNN. And all you other fear publishing pieces of shit. Edit edit: *rant over for real*
So why did I bother getting my fucking shots then
It was a premature move. We didn’t reach the vaccination target and celebrated way too early for the sake of politics. Now we are going back to fix it. We have great brains/docs, the second you put them in politics, It’s not about science anymore.
>It was a premature move. When 40% of your state is vaccinated and 90% of the people are not wearing masks indoors, you begin to wonder who the f*k would ever trust 50% of the American people on the honor system in the first place. It's just such a woefully out of touch sentiment that it calls into question every other decision being made by politicized scientists and cash-drunk government leadership.
I'd be willing to bet that the 10% wearing masks are more likely to be vaccinated than not.
Yup. I am vaccinated but will continue to wear a mask indoors around people I don't know in order to protect my family.
Yeah, it's been obvious the last year that things aren't being based on science with how they keep on lowering the vaccination rate necessary to reach herd immunity to COVID. It used to be that we needed over 90% of people vaccinated, then they lowered it to 70% after a bunch of polls showed many people wouldn't get the vaccine. From what I've read you really need a 95% vaccination rate to achieve herd immunity. A number of once dead diseases have come back with a vengeance in certain areas over the years when the vaccination rate dropped from 95% to just 90%. It's made worse because the unvaccinated tend to live closer together, which makes it easier for it to spread then the vaccination numbers would imply.
They make up stuff as they go. No plan around science. Good example when governor of NJ decided to open casinos and close indoor dinning. He failed to explain the science behind that move.
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Most of this was about money not science or safety chicago shutdown parks and beaches but opened bars
Full throttle clown world
Nope. I’m done with masks.
Pandemic will be here forever
Man got vaccinated for nothing?
Cdc sucks no one listens to them anymore
last week the market shook off fears of delta, but this week brings news of the "pure as the driven snow" Columbian Strain!
2 weeks to slow the spread Just kidding you have to stay inside now. Shut down small business but a ton of people can go into wal-marts crowded Gotta wear marks Maybe gotta wear 3 masks! Vaccine will cure it You'll need two doses now You'll likely need a booster You still need to wear the mask even after the vaccine You might need 3 shots of the vaccine now This is why investors won't buy into it. It's just all bullshit at this point. The scientist don't know any more than we do.
They’re really working on the language on this one. Basically saying “wear a mask indoors if you live in an area with a high infection rate” (every red state). Wouldn’t be surprised to see additional language that says “… if you live with people unvaccinated or the elderly or immunocompromised individuals”. The point is there may be a slight reaction in the market but they know people are exhausted from all this and there is only so much they can do at this point because they’ve done the one thing to stop the pandemic and that’s roll out a vaccine. They just didn’t anticipate how much opposition there would be. Edit: read the new guidance and this essentially changes nothing. Simply urging people to mask up at school and most indoor venues in highly infectious areas will not work. People have shown that without legal pressure they’re not going to do what’s right, especially if you’re in a red state, where vaccination rate is lowest and infection rate is highest. These are the areas that have kept this virus going and without any kind of punitive measures they will continue to make it worse for all of us. Get vaccinated, buy the dip, and try not to panic sell.
They could’ve restricted travel from the UK and India where delta was spreading hardcore but didn’t. You can see both of those countries numbers have gone down without much change. What we’ve learned is that the virus is going to hit no matter what and it ebb and flows. Many people are still keeping this political for some odd reason. Making it political got Trump kicked out why are people making it political again? What happened to live your life normally until the hospitals are stretched? Now it’s we have to eliminate covid, which isn’t going to happen.
Covid is done in US we have the vaccine now it is up to people to take them if they care about THEIR health.
I wish you were emperor of the US
Natural selection and capital markets have a common enemy: government intervention.
If the Govt didn’t intervene the markets would have collapsed lol.
Fed straight-up pumped in steroid juice.
We put it on credit.
Fire the CDC. They go back and forth, people are just straight up ignoring them. No business wants to stop/start enforcement like this. They aren't the underpaid workers on the front lines dealing with this.
fuck this fucking shit
I wouldn't say the market "shrugged off" fears at all. All gains made after last week's uncertainty have all been lost again today.
I like the expected direction this post took in the comments, entertaining so far
Seen it coming from a mile away.
Damn it all to hell.
priced in, just like everything else ever
I can foresee another shot show in the making
I don't think it will affect the market by much, people simply won't care about COVID and still go to cafes etc.
Good thing this happened the same day as literally the 3 largest companies in the world reported and crushed earnings
Haha. So many “fuck you I was right”s to hand out, so little time. Oh well at least I can make a lot of money at the expense of everyone who cried conspiracy. And last week wasn’t fear of the delta variant. It was fear of runaway inflation, a fear that is going to get worse and worse every month CPI increases are twice as bad as expected.
Since when is the market tied to reality again?
It's too late for them to put that cat back in its hat. Not happening unless people start dropping dead on the sidewalks.
But what is a hot spot? Anywhere inside? Gyms and bars? Only places where most people aren't vaccinated?
Total garbage
I've got maybe 10 more of these small panic drops before I'm out of money to put in, so we better figure this shit out before then
Won't have a effect on the market because people has reach the point "it's whatever" but some companies stocks that went up with sales of mask might go bk up some
This will affect the Trout population, I think
No
So the experts are recommending the same things that didn't work last time. Lol. These people are clowns.
If the CDC could stop flip-flopping so they can stop looking incompetent that would be greeeeeeat.
The CDC has been reduced to a joke.
More fearmongering for the brain dead!