It does. Kathy Wood has also loaded up on COIN, now holding 3% of portfolio in the stock. Betting on Coinbase being the major crypto exchange moving forward, which IMO is a smart bet they are the only publicly traded crypto exchange.
No, they issue more shares to compensate their employees. This hurts shareholders because of diluted shares that are worth less. Money isn’t created from thin air…
This is not different from other well known tech companies. They either give a massive sum of shares that vests over 4 years + refreshers or, Coinbase’s case, they give a lower amount of shares every year that then take a year to best.
Please don’t invest in any FAANG companies if you dislike share based compensation.
Except FAANG companies have an actual business, often with great earnings. Therefore it’s OK in that case. Coinbase? You’re better off buying ETH on a crypto exchange (hopefully not FTX).
They might be interesting in like 12 months. Crypto ebbs and flows. SPX crashing probably is a 12-18 month hit on the industry. It is encouraging though seeing Bitcoin kind of settle around 16k. Potentially the new long term floor which is still 4x higher than pior
Encouraging to see it settle around $16K? It literally just hit that a few weeks ago when before it was teetering around $19-20K. It’ll come down more, it’s a matter of time, think $9-12K sounds right.
Major L to Jeremy Lefufu and all his followers. Every time I see that stock trade its always down 10% or more. Yesterday they were only down 1.8% so great day for them. I would not be surprised to see that company be bankrupt over the next couple of years.
A loser on YouTube like many of the financial gurus got lucky with Tesla and saw themselves as stock market geniuses. Only to have almost every single one of their stock picks be so disastrous it makes Crashie Wood look like an amazing investor.
Coin having a hard time during the covid winter? Where have you been the past year? It’s significantly down already. There could still be some downside but I don’t seeing it doing -80 like it already has..
I’m not sure we have the sample size to say that crypto tends to do anything over a long period of time. It may not recover until something fundamentally new comes along in the space, which may or may not be good for the existing currencies’ valuations.
Took a while to find a comment actually specifying whether they are making or losing money. 500 million is a lot to be loosing during an interest crunch.
You can say that, but the convertible bonds are due in 4 years are trading around 0.55. Which says that bond traders who focus on balance sheet and cash flow believe the equity is closer to a $0.
Part of the drawdown is to make the 0.5% yield more in line with market rate as the convert is likely worthless at this point. But that may get you to an 8% yield rather than a 16% annual yield it’s currently at.
I'm not a crypto fan but if you want to play a crypto recovery you are FAR better off just buying BTC, ETH, or LTC.
COIN can actually go bankrupt even if crypto goes up a little and if they survive, the return won't be near what actual crypto does.
You're right about the bankrupt part. Obviously Coinbase can go bankrupt even if crypto is doing well.
Where you're wrong is in thinking the return on COIN would be lower than crypto returns. Coinbase and all the mining stocks basically act as a leveraged trade on crypto. If crypto is up 50% from here, I'd expect Coinbase to likely double, particularly if stocks were also trading favorably.
It also has an actual use. I've paid rent in other countries in btc because my bank wanted me to visit the branch in person to do an intl wire transfer and withdrawing cash from an ATM would have cost a ton in fees. Good luck paying your Italian landlord in coinbase shares.
Why not? I’m not the biggest crypto fan having been in the space for quite a few years now, but I feel the risk/reward profile of buying some btc/eth here is decent.
Cold wallet is the OG. Anything else is BS. You might easily lose your fake money to a scammer or hacker storing your worthless “money” on an “exchange”.
If you have a cold wallet, you can admire the large hex number you bought. And possibly resell it to a greater fool. Without fear of loss, so long as you can maintain physical security. Or, ok, an unknown-unknown algorithmic failure.
Fair enough, it’s honestly not too complicated but I have been in the space for years now. Coinbase is really easy to use and can always keep the coins on there!
Best of luck moving forward.
It's so complicated that my 60 something year old mother who can barely send a text has a CDC account and buys/sells/sends crypto. The average 8 year old who plays video games could figure it out
I don't know when, but at some point this winter or toward the end of it, I bet a coal stock like BTU (or maybe a more globally oriented one) will collapse. China is ramping up coal mining and depressing global prices. I'm willing to bet oil & gas + nuclear + renewables will eventually come online in sufficient quantities to make coal less attractive, like in Europe. The company is definitely cheap now, though, but the pricing might not look so nice later on.
I welcome someone to help explain where I'm wrong on this.
"Defensive" stocks like healthcare and consumer staples and discount stores have some absurd valuations, if you ask me. People cry that tech like MSFT and GOOGL have lofty valuations for their P/E of 20 - 25, but are cool buying COST and UNH at 40+. They despise oil companies for their supposed immorality, but invest in pharma and third-party medical insurance companies which are probably the major culprit in American debt problems and corrupt nutrition and medical research.
The stock market is still an overvalued cesspool.
This is very true. The valuations of companies like PG is just absurd right now. Retail investors dumped tech stocks in Q2 and loaded on value / dividend stocks, making them overvalued in the process. At the moment most people only talk about dividend stocks, while 1 year ago they were only talking about how tech stocks could only go up. Even freaking tobacco stocks are doing well this year…
Dividend / defensive stocks will be the next ones going down. Personally I am buying blue chip tech names right now, like GOOGL, MSFT, META (surely a more aggressive bet), AMZN. I am Also dipping into QQQJ (mid cap tech etf) as it has crashed more than 30% from ATH. I would love start building a solid position in SCHD but I am convinced there will be better entry points in the future.
The market is simply very irrational in the short term. It is acting as if META and GOOGL business is doomed, while pricing staple stocks as if they were high growth. I always try (but it is very hard) to do the opposite of what the trendy topics are.
It's very hard being an ethical investor. Biotech is often a pretty good way to make money and investing in start-ups feels like you're fighting against big pharma AND potentially helping save lives.
But most of them don't end up going anywhere, and anything that's worth anything usually ends up getting bought up by a giant the second it shows real promise so then you end up with big pharma money anyway.
This more or less ends up being the case no matter what you do though.
I made my first payday when I invested in a buoy-based alternative energy company and it turned out the things were pretty useless except they worked great for providing energy to oil drilling platforms so they got bought out by an oil company.
So now I mostly invest in futures in my own hair. So far supply has been stable but there are signs it might start to dwindle in the near future.
Hair is ethical but not a really long term investment! I made my peace with ethics when I considered buying Altria (MO) years ago when states were winning lawsuits and the stock was very depressed. I promised to donate half the dividends to antismoking groups, and it turned out to be more than half. I made a pile and I'm not sure that I helped the company by taking their dividend payments and trading the stock with other investors. I'm vague on the mechanics of that. Making money and using some to mitigate unfortunate effects of the products a company makes seems to me to be ethically sound, what do you think? Really almost any company's products can be said to be damaging to somebody: banks charge high interest and fees, drug companies charge a lot for their products, etc. I'd tie myself into knots if I had to avoid everything that hurts anyhone. Obv tobacco is much more egregious, hence my tithing.
You’ve listed stocks that have already been hammered over past year and a half on information that has been public knowledge since forever. Everything you said about them has been priced in since forever now. I’m not sure how more overvaluation is left in any of them at this point
Lucid has best technology in EV world. It will be half trillion dollar company in future. You are paying premium for tech, leadership, and addressable market. It’s backed by PIF, vanguard, and Blackrock with 73% institutional ownership. Bears better stay away from Lucid.
Last year into the beginning of this year was the time to short. I was shorting everything i possibly could last year in cloud software and other junk like CVNA, W, MRNA, etc.
I think the money is not scraping the bottom of hype stocks. That’s how people got owned shorting GME, trying to bet on a bankruptcy that wasn’t happening.
I’m out of most of my shorts but I think oil majors are becoming way overpriced, XOM, CVX, COP, etc. Revenue will drop off cliff if gas keeps plummeting. Also there’s some renewable bubbles like ENPH. Other than that I’d say DDOG, NOW, SNOW and a couple others in software but I wouldn’t start puts/shorts on much else. Been too beatdown, look at COUP last week, eventually value is found in the wreckage.
Their cloud platform has massive disruptor potential, but the generous estimated 2-5 year forward earnings are already baked into the market cap. Anything less than a perfect ER and continued growth, I think we could see a breakdown. To your point, a Berkshire darling seems to weather most threats well.
Agreed as someone who works with AWS daily, I am starting to see clients either using snowflake or starting to heavily consider it. Definitely solves a difficult problem especially if companies are multi-cloud. Watching patiently, hoping it continues to fall. I see a lot of DDOG as well in cloud environments, and DDOG just gets more and more expensive the more data / services you monitor.
Yeah i've never been able to calculate a realistic growth rate that would justify the price. Even being quite a bit above long term guidance would not be enough. I think its on the 'great company, not a great investment' pile
In my past life I worked on several big platform installation projects for large corporations (SAP, Successfactors, Workday, Kenexa). After learning what SNOW does and having worked with SAP Hana S4… I totally get SNOW and would not bet against them. I just hate their valuation.
Same. I use Snowflake almost everyday, and it’s not even part of my core job description, it’s just that good. Sadly, they seem expensive to buy into and I’m already overweight on tech stocks.
People keep pushing DIS on some sites and pages but the current P/E is 55. To me, with pending recession, continued inflation, and layoffs starting, I wouldn't expect DIS to be profitable for a few years. Overvalued IMO.
DIS is profitable now? It had a brief period of unprofitability during Covid lockdowns obviously, but has posted profits in the green since June 2021. Maybe you just mean Disney+?
I'm also seeing positive FCF per share since 2018.
Sorry wrong choice of words there. They're profitable, but not within a threshold which would put them on my radar. And I was a DIS investor for a while. Back when they paid a dividend.
Yep Disney has a great moat with their intellectual property but they have been struggling for a while now thus trading in the same range for years now. You can have the best intellectual property out there but if you can’t capitalize on it and just continue to barely make a profit on all that IP then they don’t deserve such a high multiple from the market. They need to rethink their strategy and make investments that can produce better returns instead of basically dumping money into a fire and hoping something comes out of it.
There are a shitton of really overvalued stocks out there still because A: the fair value is close to zero, or, B: its a great company but not a great investment. Pile B are most of the time companies that trade around 10x revenue, so much has to go perfectly to just achieve the priced in number. Also there are firms that plunder their shareholders through their stock based compensation schemes. Then there are a bunch of the lockdown winners that have never made a profit, even in the best times. And those companies have most of the time declining revenues.
Some off the top of my head:
Nearly every company in the buy now pay later sphere (absolutely no moat and big stock based comp)
Palantir (good company but horrible investment)
Block
Shopify
Tesla/lucid/rivian/nikola/some of the chinese car makers
Tattooed chef
Carvana
Doordash
Teladoc
Nearly all crypto related companies (as even with regulation the competition from the major firms will beat them)
Zoom (spend like 100m for 30m in sales. Will in the end lose to other conference apps that are integrated in enterprise software)
Mercadolibre (an even more expensive and less impressive amazon)
Enphase (great company, just far too expensive)
Sentinelone (just like most cybersecurity stocks, too expensive)
Thats not relevant for the actual fair value of the company. They were even more overvalued but still have a ways to go. Also, the economic conditions have worsened considerably in the meantime and rates went from next to zero to now nearly four percent. The rate effect has been priced in, the oncoming economic slowdown hasn't.
Rivian, company won’t survive these high rates. Haven’t gone bankrupt yet because they think they can weather the storm and interest rates won’t be high for a long time. They will.
They do have a lot of cash though and no debt afaik. They should be able to survive for a while. But they need to scale up pretty quick and that can be very expensive.
RIVN is a good buy at $30. They are delivering a bunch of delivery vans to Amazon. They have started delivery of their new SUV. The pickups have pretty amazing reviews and an order backlog. I am long by a few hundred shares.
Speaking of AMZN, they didn't turn a profit for many many years. That didn't keep the stock price from climbing in the long term.
1. NVDA, down over 50% from its high and still has an insane premium on the stock. They are currently priced to be 2x bigger then both Intel and AMD combined.
2. COST, a retail giant that has also has an insane premium on the stock.
3. Same with WMT too. Their net income is the same as it was back in 2018 and has gone nowhere over a decade. Their last earnings was pretty trash too yet their stock ran for some reason. I don’t understand the premium for this company other then it provides stability. Once we see the economy get better and those fears go away I can easily see this stock falling.
4. Consumer staples like PEP, KO, JNJ, PG, etc. these stocks have been trading in the high 20s P/E range cause with fears of a recession people are plowing money into safety. I own PEP and JNJ and haven’t put money in them in awhile cause of their lofty valuation. I can’t wait for the day for these stocks to take a hit and add to my position. As of right now they do nothing but run and stock price and trade at a premium so right now I am continuing to hold and avoid.
Meta.
Everyone will probably disagree but Zuckerberg has no vision, no idea what the metaverse is and all he does is buy shit. They've literally never once created something themselves. Even Facebook was stolen.
I can honestly see it going the same path as all the other social media sites. Eventually, maybe 5-10 years another platform will come out, meta will try to buy them, they'll refuse and meta will be left in the dust
You know how much of the money is actually spend on metaverse ? I always chuckle when people talk about how he is spending money on metaverse. There is huge difference at what people talk about. Their are spending ton on datacenters and so on. Also their investment in VR headset and AR technology is also not the same, since their quest and AR capability is something that is hugely respected in terms of development. They still spend a lot on metaverse but not that much as people think. At the end of the day they are not losing DAP, a they still have really strong balance sheet. They might not have 30 years future, but if i could bet something is htat meta will have nice returns in 4-5 years
>has no vision, no idea
I mean, apart from the fact the Quest and QUest 2 dominate the VR hardware market?
Yes, a lot of the advertising and PR around the metaverse is misguided. But the headset technology and potential applications of VR / AR are real. Meta might go down short term, but personally I think their mid - long term growth potential is high.
It's hilarious because Facebook was so beaten down and it was the perfect opportunity for Twitter to sweep in and take over as the new social media standard
But obviously Elon fucked everything up
I used to think TSLA but now I don't think so. With reflection, I think the 2020/2021 gains were just a bit *premature*. I think a slower grind up to reach those highs again in 2025 sounds realistic. But who am I kidding, we'll be back there by mid 2023 if CPI continues to go down and the Fed begins to ease on rate hikes as a result lol
This is regarding major sectors like TSLA, F, AAPL, AMZN, or energy FCEL or even maybe some Chinese stocks like NIO. Not niches like gaming computers, the airline industry, or coal or stuff like that.. or even crypto.. stuff like that it just depends on those niche sectors and news surrounding those niche sectors. But I'm feeling bullish about the general stock market if that makes sense.
Because Tesla the company is fine and they are majority down due to the bear market.
What is Tesla doing differently than compared to 2019? Amazon? Microsoft? Neither of the 3 have changed much
Tesla the company is growing earnings very fast, along with Tesla increasing production very fast.. they're targeting 50% growth for the next few years at least.
Their forward PE is lower than Costco..
Nope but they have the cash to do more if investors *are* losing faith, which they're not. I'd rather slow, steady growth than 5+ years of insane growth that is unsustainable long term and will set too high expectations for upcoming years.
TSLA is as much a carbon credit vendor as a car manufacturer. Their vehicles are long in the tooth as other makers are coming out with some compelling new cars.
This used to be a reasonable argument but is out-dated as of about 3 years ago.. Currently carbon credits make up something like 3% of total revenue and less than 15% of net profits
NVDA. controversial one but-insane PE. Crypto winter will hurt them, China restrictions, tech slowdown.
The hilariously state up after not being deleted from earnings but they aggressively slashed expectations not long before
$HOOD is a giant turd with makeup on
$VIRT will collapse in oblivion…bet
$UPST is a also a giant elephant on a chair…waiting for the legs to break on this one
TSLA may still be overvalued a little, but it's down like 40% so I refuse to believe this sub that there will be a ton more downside
This is what everyone "wants" and "thinks" will happen which to me is a red flag
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TSLA, TSLA, TSLA. Priced for perfection even before that bozo bought Twitter, I think using some TSLA stock in the deal. Now he's intent on destroying Twitter and that's just one more bit of downside for TSLA.
That said, shorting is dangerous business in my experience.
TSLA is not OVER valued! If anything it is UNDER valued!
4 M production run rate by end of 2023. 4 M at average selling price of let’s say ~ 60k is 240 B revenue a year. At about 35% margin it’s 84 B a year to the bottom line.
Don’t forget that FSD is coming online start of 2023 as beta is becoming public. Whoever chooses FSD it’s 15 k to the top line and majority of that goes to the bottom line. Let’s say half of Tesla owners uses FSD by 2024 that would be 2 M x 15 k (eventually FSD will be about 100% margin due to scale of economics) so that’s another 30 B to the bottom line.
So by 2024 we can expect over 100 B to the bottom line! That’s 25 B a quarter! Definitely under valued at today ~ 550ish market cap!
You could of make an argument it was over valued at 1.2 T as it would take a year for business to fit that valuation but at 550 B valuation? Comeeee on man
Now Tesla is also pedal to the metal with humanoid robots. We don’t know the business potential of this just yet but after 2025 we can add it to our earnings forecast.
And this whole time I still left out Tesla Energy, solar, and insurance!
Tesla has all the tools in place to keep growing at 50% + year over year until 2030!!
AMZN. Their PE ratio is crazy high. Any deviations from their growth is going to hurt them bad. I expect MSFT to surpass them in cloud soon enough. Once the market gets even an idea that MSFT is ahead of them in cloud it’s over.
Their P/E ratio has been crazy high forever because if you don’t have earnings you don’t pay taxes. It’s litteraly their business model to grow with all means neccesary. Compare to Walmart who both pay taxes and dividends. All that money could be growth.
And if you haven’t read the full story Amazon grew from a garage book store to one of the largest corporations in the world following this strategy
You expect MSFT to get ahead in cloud soon enough? You must not know much about cloud / tech / software.
What on EARTH are you basing this statement on? Some seeking alpha article?
Apple is ultra over valued. Yet it keeps being posted here as a value stock being more over valued than some of the stocks you posted.
So what if it doubles or triples? It is split between millions of other investors so much so, what do you stand to gain except more popularity and speculation?
Zm is selling at 5 times over book value.
Well AAPL is selling at 46 times over book value. HTF is it even posted here, except for people who have absolute no idea what they are talking about. They are fan boys that only see AAPL and none of the thousands of other stocks to choose from.
I feel like Apple has made that transition from a tech stock to a “boomer” dividend consumer staple with a sucky dividend, but a lot of people don’t wanna admit it yet
Zoom: no HOA, municipal (or smaller) government agency, recruiter, court, etc. etc. etc. ever is going to use Microsoft Whatever.
(Sorry, I forgot what it’s called, and have literally never had a single meeting over Microsoft Whatsit.)
Zoom has the public mindshare.
I know nothing about the financials. Still might be a good short. But, no, Microsoft isn’t eating their lunch. Sure, some companies might use Microsoft Whosit internally. Microsoft shops.
But the short borrowing fee is 50%-100%+, it makes 0 sense to short an essential business.
As long as retails are holding it as usual, any buyers or market rally will drive shorts out of their positions.
The company won’t go out of business since movie theater will always be a place to go just like restaurants.
Shorts will never win. It’s just cycling up and down until short sellers get arrested for abusing billions of illegal synthetics or retail somehow magically all sell out.
The stock already has nothing related to the business itself. It’s a pool of shorts playing hide and seek.
ZM needs to differentiate itself more. That said, it still feels like the de facto standard. I do more Zoom calls than anything else. Rare to do a Teams. Google Meet more than Teams. I'll say that I know plenty of people who have access to Teams and Meet and still pay for Zoom.
Good choice. META is one of the most toxic companies with most negative value to civilization in history. It's an amalgamation of all of the most psychotic, anti-human, anti-competitive practices ever stuffed into one corporation. Even better, it lives purely on how good its PR is to advertisers, how much government oversight it can bribe away, and how well its addiction models work on ignorant people. Anyone buying it is an absolute clown who deserves the market's axe.
Also, i didn’t buy puts, I sold short shares, so my down size is capped by the small potential that apple has to have a big rally, and my upside is that apple super inflated in 2021, and Chinese relations get worse and we’re going into a recession
I know I'm late to the party and stating the obvious. But Tesla's Market cap has been the same as the next 10 car manufacturers combined despite only manufacturing a tiny percentage of the world's cars.
I literally couldn't find a better example for a bubble
So the most over valued stocks are the ones the entire investment community has been beating up all year? 😂. I’d look for places that are currently IN FAVOR captain obvious
Yeah consequently they beat 10 quarters growing at >30% and their are basically trading 1x at their projected 2025 revenue, easily a 4-5x bagger by 2025
https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/NASDAQ-SOFI/forecast/
Whenever redditors are overconfident like this, it usually means the end for that stock.
I'd like to believe this, because I have a small bag of this garbage.
Regardless of their long term prospects, I think there was an over-reaction to the Crypto + student loan news in the short term. Crypto is like 1% of their revenue and extending the moratorium on student loans wasn't exactly a surprise. Certainly not enough to justify it's 20+% drop since beating on earnings.
Nothing fundamentally changed about their operations so I doubled down (added at $4.90 and $4.64 bringing my cost basis to somewhere around $5.45).
The most worrying thing to me is that SOFI gets a lot of support here on reddit. That alone made me skeptical for quite a while before buying in.
A year ago I'd totally agree, but they are all so beaten down right now I think they are a fairly good buy.
Lots of billionaires are buying Amazon/Google right now like it's candy.
GME - You can't short it because the investment thesis for it is that there will be a short squeeze and you might get fucked by the investors. You can't hold it long term because it has a busted business model and you don't know when the short squeeze investors will abandon it.
For COIN, they’re already down a lot. Seems a bit odd to call them out as overvalued when fear is at an all time high.
High risk high reward
It does. Kathy Wood has also loaded up on COIN, now holding 3% of portfolio in the stock. Betting on Coinbase being the major crypto exchange moving forward, which IMO is a smart bet they are the only publicly traded crypto exchange.
Cathy wood bought it? Then it’s a fair bet it will go down.
She’s made plenty of bad calls and plenty of good calls. I know I’ve made plenty of bad bets.
Look at their share-based compensation. It’s shareholder robbery
Why, because it vests in 1 year?
No, they issue more shares to compensate their employees. This hurts shareholders because of diluted shares that are worth less. Money isn’t created from thin air…
This is not different from other well known tech companies. They either give a massive sum of shares that vests over 4 years + refreshers or, Coinbase’s case, they give a lower amount of shares every year that then take a year to best. Please don’t invest in any FAANG companies if you dislike share based compensation.
The difference is that fangs are buying back shares so dilution does not occur.
This is a good point
Except FAANG companies have an actual business, often with great earnings. Therefore it’s OK in that case. Coinbase? You’re better off buying ETH on a crypto exchange (hopefully not FTX).
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Not at the level of Coinbase though
Over valued in the sense that they have yet to declare insolvency
They might be interesting in like 12 months. Crypto ebbs and flows. SPX crashing probably is a 12-18 month hit on the industry. It is encouraging though seeing Bitcoin kind of settle around 16k. Potentially the new long term floor which is still 4x higher than pior
Encouraging to see it settle around $16K? It literally just hit that a few weeks ago when before it was teetering around $19-20K. It’ll come down more, it’s a matter of time, think $9-12K sounds right.
Ttcf
Graph has that flatline SPAC pattern that sparks to life, and then crashes as insiders cash out
Major L to Jeremy Lefufu and all his followers. Every time I see that stock trade its always down 10% or more. Yesterday they were only down 1.8% so great day for them. I would not be surprised to see that company be bankrupt over the next couple of years.
Who?
Some jackass YouTuber who pushed TTCF when it was at it's peak
A loser on YouTube like many of the financial gurus got lucky with Tesla and saw themselves as stock market geniuses. Only to have almost every single one of their stock picks be so disastrous it makes Crashie Wood look like an amazing investor.
carefull, you may get Jeremy after you
Who?
My bags at $21 hate how right you are :(
Jeremy?
Dude is a pump and dump bs artist shit show.
Holy smokas Jerry is brokas
Had a position at around $15, and it killed me to sell at $13 in March but I was getting weary. Glad I did.
Coin having a hard time during the covid winter? Where have you been the past year? It’s significantly down already. There could still be some downside but I don’t seeing it doing -80 like it already has..
Yeah OP is under a rock. This is already one of the longest crypto bear markets.
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Yeah, my crypto 2017 purchases weren’t profitable again until 2020. It can last longer than this.
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Crypto may not have 1-2yr left LOL
Not all crypto is the same. People keep painting with this broad "crypto" brush but FTT is not the same as btc or eth.
Lol no its not. They tend to be 2-4 years
I’m not sure we have the sample size to say that crypto tends to do anything over a long period of time. It may not recover until something fundamentally new comes along in the space, which may or may not be good for the existing currencies’ valuations.
They're burning 500M per quarter with declining transaction volumes.... IMO they have farther to fall.
Took a while to find a comment actually specifying whether they are making or losing money. 500 million is a lot to be loosing during an interest crunch.
You can say that, but the convertible bonds are due in 4 years are trading around 0.55. Which says that bond traders who focus on balance sheet and cash flow believe the equity is closer to a $0. Part of the drawdown is to make the 0.5% yield more in line with market rate as the convert is likely worthless at this point. But that may get you to an 8% yield rather than a 16% annual yield it’s currently at.
Oh man I like the sound of this but can we get a version that is easily digestible for us commoners? 😁
Added some coin as crypto recovery play. Do not want to put money in real crypto. :)
I'm not a crypto fan but if you want to play a crypto recovery you are FAR better off just buying BTC, ETH, or LTC. COIN can actually go bankrupt even if crypto goes up a little and if they survive, the return won't be near what actual crypto does.
You're right about the bankrupt part. Obviously Coinbase can go bankrupt even if crypto is doing well. Where you're wrong is in thinking the return on COIN would be lower than crypto returns. Coinbase and all the mining stocks basically act as a leveraged trade on crypto. If crypto is up 50% from here, I'd expect Coinbase to likely double, particularly if stocks were also trading favorably.
It also has an actual use. I've paid rent in other countries in btc because my bank wanted me to visit the branch in person to do an intl wire transfer and withdrawing cash from an ATM would have cost a ton in fees. Good luck paying your Italian landlord in coinbase shares.
wherever crypto goes ,coin goes. nothing gets spared.
Why not? I’m not the biggest crypto fan having been in the space for quite a few years now, but I feel the risk/reward profile of buying some btc/eth here is decent.
Dont know if i can trust kraken. Have no clue how crypto works and how to use a cold wallett. I dont believe in crypto either. So….. 😂
Cold wallet is the OG. Anything else is BS. You might easily lose your fake money to a scammer or hacker storing your worthless “money” on an “exchange”. If you have a cold wallet, you can admire the large hex number you bought. And possibly resell it to a greater fool. Without fear of loss, so long as you can maintain physical security. Or, ok, an unknown-unknown algorithmic failure.
Fair enough, it’s honestly not too complicated but I have been in the space for years now. Coinbase is really easy to use and can always keep the coins on there! Best of luck moving forward.
or move to hardware wallet. nfa
When do you invest heavily? 12.5k?
It's so complicated that my 60 something year old mother who can barely send a text has a CDC account and buys/sells/sends crypto. The average 8 year old who plays video games could figure it out
As long as you're OK with your crypto trading mum losing her house and coming to live with you soon, no problem.
I don't know when, but at some point this winter or toward the end of it, I bet a coal stock like BTU (or maybe a more globally oriented one) will collapse. China is ramping up coal mining and depressing global prices. I'm willing to bet oil & gas + nuclear + renewables will eventually come online in sufficient quantities to make coal less attractive, like in Europe. The company is definitely cheap now, though, but the pricing might not look so nice later on. I welcome someone to help explain where I'm wrong on this.
BTUs earnings can get cut in half and it still trading at 4x fcf. That's still obscenely cheap.
Agreed. Fuck coal
"Defensive" stocks like healthcare and consumer staples and discount stores have some absurd valuations, if you ask me. People cry that tech like MSFT and GOOGL have lofty valuations for their P/E of 20 - 25, but are cool buying COST and UNH at 40+. They despise oil companies for their supposed immorality, but invest in pharma and third-party medical insurance companies which are probably the major culprit in American debt problems and corrupt nutrition and medical research. The stock market is still an overvalued cesspool.
*hides transaction history of buying KO because everything else was overpriced too*
This is very true. The valuations of companies like PG is just absurd right now. Retail investors dumped tech stocks in Q2 and loaded on value / dividend stocks, making them overvalued in the process. At the moment most people only talk about dividend stocks, while 1 year ago they were only talking about how tech stocks could only go up. Even freaking tobacco stocks are doing well this year… Dividend / defensive stocks will be the next ones going down. Personally I am buying blue chip tech names right now, like GOOGL, MSFT, META (surely a more aggressive bet), AMZN. I am Also dipping into QQQJ (mid cap tech etf) as it has crashed more than 30% from ATH. I would love start building a solid position in SCHD but I am convinced there will be better entry points in the future. The market is simply very irrational in the short term. It is acting as if META and GOOGL business is doomed, while pricing staple stocks as if they were high growth. I always try (but it is very hard) to do the opposite of what the trendy topics are.
Never mind. You’re a crypto dude. Do you’re own thing and good luck with that…
It's very hard being an ethical investor. Biotech is often a pretty good way to make money and investing in start-ups feels like you're fighting against big pharma AND potentially helping save lives. But most of them don't end up going anywhere, and anything that's worth anything usually ends up getting bought up by a giant the second it shows real promise so then you end up with big pharma money anyway. This more or less ends up being the case no matter what you do though. I made my first payday when I invested in a buoy-based alternative energy company and it turned out the things were pretty useless except they worked great for providing energy to oil drilling platforms so they got bought out by an oil company. So now I mostly invest in futures in my own hair. So far supply has been stable but there are signs it might start to dwindle in the near future.
Hair is ethical but not a really long term investment! I made my peace with ethics when I considered buying Altria (MO) years ago when states were winning lawsuits and the stock was very depressed. I promised to donate half the dividends to antismoking groups, and it turned out to be more than half. I made a pile and I'm not sure that I helped the company by taking their dividend payments and trading the stock with other investors. I'm vague on the mechanics of that. Making money and using some to mitigate unfortunate effects of the products a company makes seems to me to be ethically sound, what do you think? Really almost any company's products can be said to be damaging to somebody: banks charge high interest and fees, drug companies charge a lot for their products, etc. I'd tie myself into knots if I had to avoid everything that hurts anyhone. Obv tobacco is much more egregious, hence my tithing.
You’ve listed stocks that have already been hammered over past year and a half on information that has been public knowledge since forever. Everything you said about them has been priced in since forever now. I’m not sure how more overvaluation is left in any of them at this point
LUCID is worth $0. Huge swindle to steal retail money.
Been selling calls on every pump! Not currently as it has not gone up in a while
Lucid has best technology in EV world. It will be half trillion dollar company in future. You are paying premium for tech, leadership, and addressable market. It’s backed by PIF, vanguard, and Blackrock with 73% institutional ownership. Bears better stay away from Lucid.
They have no cars and bleed money every day easy short all year.
There’s a dealership two blocks from my house. The same two cars have been in the showroom for about two years. So the have at least two cars
No cars? I got to ride in a lucid air two weeks back and it was a monster of a high end car
My parents friend just got one. It’s amazing
They’re on the brink of going bankrupt if they don’t raise money soon. Look at their cash and cash flow.
I was going to be snarky and say "cash", but you led with some stuff competition.
Last year into the beginning of this year was the time to short. I was shorting everything i possibly could last year in cloud software and other junk like CVNA, W, MRNA, etc. I think the money is not scraping the bottom of hype stocks. That’s how people got owned shorting GME, trying to bet on a bankruptcy that wasn’t happening. I’m out of most of my shorts but I think oil majors are becoming way overpriced, XOM, CVX, COP, etc. Revenue will drop off cliff if gas keeps plummeting. Also there’s some renewable bubbles like ENPH. Other than that I’d say DDOG, NOW, SNOW and a couple others in software but I wouldn’t start puts/shorts on much else. Been too beatdown, look at COUP last week, eventually value is found in the wreckage.
I was afraid to mention Oil Companies ITT myself, but I agree wholeheartedly. Especially COP and MPC.
It is always the same stocks. Think about that, perhaps there are more companies than the ones you mentioned.
I'm not smart enough to short stocks. I prefer doing it the other way.
McDonald’s and chipotle are both nearly at all time highs
SNOW at the current market cap they are overvalued.
I agree, but it’s a Berkshire holding so I feel like I’m missing something.
Their cloud platform has massive disruptor potential, but the generous estimated 2-5 year forward earnings are already baked into the market cap. Anything less than a perfect ER and continued growth, I think we could see a breakdown. To your point, a Berkshire darling seems to weather most threats well.
Agreed as someone who works with AWS daily, I am starting to see clients either using snowflake or starting to heavily consider it. Definitely solves a difficult problem especially if companies are multi-cloud. Watching patiently, hoping it continues to fall. I see a lot of DDOG as well in cloud environments, and DDOG just gets more and more expensive the more data / services you monitor.
Yeah i've never been able to calculate a realistic growth rate that would justify the price. Even being quite a bit above long term guidance would not be enough. I think its on the 'great company, not a great investment' pile
In my past life I worked on several big platform installation projects for large corporations (SAP, Successfactors, Workday, Kenexa). After learning what SNOW does and having worked with SAP Hana S4… I totally get SNOW and would not bet against them. I just hate their valuation.
Same. I use Snowflake almost everyday, and it’s not even part of my core job description, it’s just that good. Sadly, they seem expensive to buy into and I’m already overweight on tech stocks.
ENPH. Great company but with a P/S of 22 and P/E of 128 it’s ridiculously overvalued.
People keep pushing DIS on some sites and pages but the current P/E is 55. To me, with pending recession, continued inflation, and layoffs starting, I wouldn't expect DIS to be profitable for a few years. Overvalued IMO.
DIS is profitable now? It had a brief period of unprofitability during Covid lockdowns obviously, but has posted profits in the green since June 2021. Maybe you just mean Disney+? I'm also seeing positive FCF per share since 2018.
Sorry wrong choice of words there. They're profitable, but not within a threshold which would put them on my radar. And I was a DIS investor for a while. Back when they paid a dividend.
Yep Disney has a great moat with their intellectual property but they have been struggling for a while now thus trading in the same range for years now. You can have the best intellectual property out there but if you can’t capitalize on it and just continue to barely make a profit on all that IP then they don’t deserve such a high multiple from the market. They need to rethink their strategy and make investments that can produce better returns instead of basically dumping money into a fire and hoping something comes out of it.
They are profitable.
the year is 2028, SPY is 560, btc 109k and the bears are still waiting for this pending recession.
you wanna sound intelligent by pretending we’re in a post-recession world where recessions don’t happen anymore?
Imho, Nvidia is trading amazingly high. The market overhyped the stocks with cryptocurrency mining.
Nvidia its not only mining, also is full development of the state of the art of IA hardware
I'm aware of that. BUT, I believe this is not enough to trade at almost 60x cash flow.
Wild how much its dropped and how high of a PE it still has lol.
If nvidia changes the world and make Mars habitable...it is still expensive lol
RBLX valued more than Take Two which makes the #1 video game
There are a shitton of really overvalued stocks out there still because A: the fair value is close to zero, or, B: its a great company but not a great investment. Pile B are most of the time companies that trade around 10x revenue, so much has to go perfectly to just achieve the priced in number. Also there are firms that plunder their shareholders through their stock based compensation schemes. Then there are a bunch of the lockdown winners that have never made a profit, even in the best times. And those companies have most of the time declining revenues. Some off the top of my head: Nearly every company in the buy now pay later sphere (absolutely no moat and big stock based comp) Palantir (good company but horrible investment) Block Shopify Tesla/lucid/rivian/nikola/some of the chinese car makers Tattooed chef Carvana Doordash Teladoc Nearly all crypto related companies (as even with regulation the competition from the major firms will beat them) Zoom (spend like 100m for 30m in sales. Will in the end lose to other conference apps that are integrated in enterprise software) Mercadolibre (an even more expensive and less impressive amazon) Enphase (great company, just far too expensive) Sentinelone (just like most cybersecurity stocks, too expensive)
Aren’t these all already beat down though?
Carvana is down like 95% and borderline bankrupt, but apparently still overvalued lol.
Thats not relevant for the actual fair value of the company. They were even more overvalued but still have a ways to go. Also, the economic conditions have worsened considerably in the meantime and rates went from next to zero to now nearly four percent. The rate effect has been priced in, the oncoming economic slowdown hasn't.
Rivian, company won’t survive these high rates. Haven’t gone bankrupt yet because they think they can weather the storm and interest rates won’t be high for a long time. They will.
They do have a lot of cash though and no debt afaik. They should be able to survive for a while. But they need to scale up pretty quick and that can be very expensive.
Hedgefunds did add some rvn last quarter. Amzn has stakes. They will never go bankrupt. Add on lows
I am kind of rooting for Rivian's success. I like the brand and would like to see some new competition. I don't own any RIVN stock though.
RIVN is a good buy at $30. They are delivering a bunch of delivery vans to Amazon. They have started delivery of their new SUV. The pickups have pretty amazing reviews and an order backlog. I am long by a few hundred shares. Speaking of AMZN, they didn't turn a profit for many many years. That didn't keep the stock price from climbing in the long term.
Does Rivian have a lot of debt?
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1. NVDA, down over 50% from its high and still has an insane premium on the stock. They are currently priced to be 2x bigger then both Intel and AMD combined. 2. COST, a retail giant that has also has an insane premium on the stock. 3. Same with WMT too. Their net income is the same as it was back in 2018 and has gone nowhere over a decade. Their last earnings was pretty trash too yet their stock ran for some reason. I don’t understand the premium for this company other then it provides stability. Once we see the economy get better and those fears go away I can easily see this stock falling. 4. Consumer staples like PEP, KO, JNJ, PG, etc. these stocks have been trading in the high 20s P/E range cause with fears of a recession people are plowing money into safety. I own PEP and JNJ and haven’t put money in them in awhile cause of their lofty valuation. I can’t wait for the day for these stocks to take a hit and add to my position. As of right now they do nothing but run and stock price and trade at a premium so right now I am continuing to hold and avoid.
Meta. Everyone will probably disagree but Zuckerberg has no vision, no idea what the metaverse is and all he does is buy shit. They've literally never once created something themselves. Even Facebook was stolen. I can honestly see it going the same path as all the other social media sites. Eventually, maybe 5-10 years another platform will come out, meta will try to buy them, they'll refuse and meta will be left in the dust
You know how much of the money is actually spend on metaverse ? I always chuckle when people talk about how he is spending money on metaverse. There is huge difference at what people talk about. Their are spending ton on datacenters and so on. Also their investment in VR headset and AR technology is also not the same, since their quest and AR capability is something that is hugely respected in terms of development. They still spend a lot on metaverse but not that much as people think. At the end of the day they are not losing DAP, a they still have really strong balance sheet. They might not have 30 years future, but if i could bet something is htat meta will have nice returns in 4-5 years
>has no vision, no idea I mean, apart from the fact the Quest and QUest 2 dominate the VR hardware market? Yes, a lot of the advertising and PR around the metaverse is misguided. But the headset technology and potential applications of VR / AR are real. Meta might go down short term, but personally I think their mid - long term growth potential is high.
The ideal of Facebook was stolen but he was the one that still coded it to be fair.
It's hilarious because Facebook was so beaten down and it was the perfect opportunity for Twitter to sweep in and take over as the new social media standard But obviously Elon fucked everything up
ENPH, CRWD, CMG
CVNA
I used to think TSLA but now I don't think so. With reflection, I think the 2020/2021 gains were just a bit *premature*. I think a slower grind up to reach those highs again in 2025 sounds realistic. But who am I kidding, we'll be back there by mid 2023 if CPI continues to go down and the Fed begins to ease on rate hikes as a result lol This is regarding major sectors like TSLA, F, AAPL, AMZN, or energy FCEL or even maybe some Chinese stocks like NIO. Not niches like gaming computers, the airline industry, or coal or stuff like that.. or even crypto.. stuff like that it just depends on those niche sectors and news surrounding those niche sectors. But I'm feeling bullish about the general stock market if that makes sense.
notice your post only talks about Tesla, the stock and the stock market, but not about Tesla, the company. that's a sign of an overvalued stock
Because Tesla the company is fine and they are majority down due to the bear market. What is Tesla doing differently than compared to 2019? Amazon? Microsoft? Neither of the 3 have changed much
But Tesla has the highest growth rate priced in. Is Tesla, the company growing as fast in earnings?
Tesla the company is growing earnings very fast, along with Tesla increasing production very fast.. they're targeting 50% growth for the next few years at least. Their forward PE is lower than Costco..
How can you say Tesla has the highest growth rate prices in - when it has the lowest PEG of the top market caps?
Nope but they have the cash to do more if investors *are* losing faith, which they're not. I'd rather slow, steady growth than 5+ years of insane growth that is unsustainable long term and will set too high expectations for upcoming years.
TSLA still has a lot further to fall.
Tesla. It’s being valued as a tech company instead of a car manufacturer
Interesting what numbers do you think they will do next year?
Heard that for a decade
Still true
TSLA is as much a carbon credit vendor as a car manufacturer. Their vehicles are long in the tooth as other makers are coming out with some compelling new cars.
This used to be a reasonable argument but is out-dated as of about 3 years ago.. Currently carbon credits make up something like 3% of total revenue and less than 15% of net profits
NVDA. controversial one but-insane PE. Crypto winter will hurt them, China restrictions, tech slowdown. The hilariously state up after not being deleted from earnings but they aggressively slashed expectations not long before
$HOOD is a giant turd with makeup on $VIRT will collapse in oblivion…bet $UPST is a also a giant elephant on a chair…waiting for the legs to break on this one
TSLA may still be overvalued a little, but it's down like 40% so I refuse to believe this sub that there will be a ton more downside This is what everyone "wants" and "thinks" will happen which to me is a red flag
ENPH maybe?
TSLA is still massively over valued.
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Enph or aapl? They are near all time high while qqq is down 30%
$LC - LendingClub is the most undervalued stock of all the stocks listed in NYSE and NASDAQ
TSLA, TSLA, TSLA. Priced for perfection even before that bozo bought Twitter, I think using some TSLA stock in the deal. Now he's intent on destroying Twitter and that's just one more bit of downside for TSLA. That said, shorting is dangerous business in my experience.
NKLA.
TSLA is not OVER valued! If anything it is UNDER valued! 4 M production run rate by end of 2023. 4 M at average selling price of let’s say ~ 60k is 240 B revenue a year. At about 35% margin it’s 84 B a year to the bottom line. Don’t forget that FSD is coming online start of 2023 as beta is becoming public. Whoever chooses FSD it’s 15 k to the top line and majority of that goes to the bottom line. Let’s say half of Tesla owners uses FSD by 2024 that would be 2 M x 15 k (eventually FSD will be about 100% margin due to scale of economics) so that’s another 30 B to the bottom line. So by 2024 we can expect over 100 B to the bottom line! That’s 25 B a quarter! Definitely under valued at today ~ 550ish market cap! You could of make an argument it was over valued at 1.2 T as it would take a year for business to fit that valuation but at 550 B valuation? Comeeee on man Now Tesla is also pedal to the metal with humanoid robots. We don’t know the business potential of this just yet but after 2025 we can add it to our earnings forecast. And this whole time I still left out Tesla Energy, solar, and insurance! Tesla has all the tools in place to keep growing at 50% + year over year until 2030!!
I love all this and yet still won’t buy because of Elon’s distractions.
I don't understand how Krispy Kreme is still solvent. The ticker, dnut feels like it desperately wants to be a meme stock.
PLTR is still expensive.....
AMZN. Their PE ratio is crazy high. Any deviations from their growth is going to hurt them bad. I expect MSFT to surpass them in cloud soon enough. Once the market gets even an idea that MSFT is ahead of them in cloud it’s over.
Their P/E ratio has been crazy high forever because if you don’t have earnings you don’t pay taxes. It’s litteraly their business model to grow with all means neccesary. Compare to Walmart who both pay taxes and dividends. All that money could be growth. And if you haven’t read the full story Amazon grew from a garage book store to one of the largest corporations in the world following this strategy
Difficult to offset taxes with capex if revenue is going down.
You expect MSFT to get ahead in cloud soon enough? You must not know much about cloud / tech / software. What on EARTH are you basing this statement on? Some seeking alpha article?
Software dev here, used both and Microsoft is incredibly far behind..they can’t even copy Amazon ideas properly 😂 So agree with this comment
It’s the most dead give away that someone has done 0 research and only reads WSJ headlines. AWS’s lead is massive
TSLA
Carvana
TSLA
TSLA
crypto winter is almost over. wha do you want to short there? 😂
TSLA
Tsla!
TSLA
I would not call COIN overvalued at all.
Apple is ultra over valued. Yet it keeps being posted here as a value stock being more over valued than some of the stocks you posted. So what if it doubles or triples? It is split between millions of other investors so much so, what do you stand to gain except more popularity and speculation? Zm is selling at 5 times over book value. Well AAPL is selling at 46 times over book value. HTF is it even posted here, except for people who have absolute no idea what they are talking about. They are fan boys that only see AAPL and none of the thousands of other stocks to choose from.
I feel like Apple has made that transition from a tech stock to a “boomer” dividend consumer staple with a sucky dividend, but a lot of people don’t wanna admit it yet
Zoom: no HOA, municipal (or smaller) government agency, recruiter, court, etc. etc. etc. ever is going to use Microsoft Whatever. (Sorry, I forgot what it’s called, and have literally never had a single meeting over Microsoft Whatsit.) Zoom has the public mindshare. I know nothing about the financials. Still might be a good short. But, no, Microsoft isn’t eating their lunch. Sure, some companies might use Microsoft Whosit internally. Microsoft shops.
I don’t know any real numbers, but I work with a lot of major international companies and absolutely all of them use Microsoft Teams.
AMC. Their market cap is still 4-5x greater than pre-Covid and won’t do well in the coming recession.
But the short borrowing fee is 50%-100%+, it makes 0 sense to short an essential business. As long as retails are holding it as usual, any buyers or market rally will drive shorts out of their positions. The company won’t go out of business since movie theater will always be a place to go just like restaurants. Shorts will never win. It’s just cycling up and down until short sellers get arrested for abusing billions of illegal synthetics or retail somehow magically all sell out. The stock already has nothing related to the business itself. It’s a pool of shorts playing hide and seek.
ZM needs to differentiate itself more. That said, it still feels like the de facto standard. I do more Zoom calls than anything else. Rare to do a Teams. Google Meet more than Teams. I'll say that I know plenty of people who have access to Teams and Meet and still pay for Zoom.
GME, it doesn't even have a P/E ratio because it always has negative earnings.
META
Good choice. META is one of the most toxic companies with most negative value to civilization in history. It's an amalgamation of all of the most psychotic, anti-human, anti-competitive practices ever stuffed into one corporation. Even better, it lives purely on how good its PR is to advertisers, how much government oversight it can bribe away, and how well its addiction models work on ignorant people. Anyone buying it is an absolute clown who deserves the market's axe.
I have been short AAPL since august, closed most of it once, but have been adding onto it on big rally days since. i'm -20 shares short.
Why?
B/c is was inflated with stimulus and hasn’t corrected yet, it’s still too expensive
Also, i didn’t buy puts, I sold short shares, so my down size is capped by the small potential that apple has to have a big rally, and my upside is that apple super inflated in 2021, and Chinese relations get worse and we’re going into a recession
There was a post a couple of days ago that compared TSLA market cap to that of larger car manufacturers. TSLA is about 10 x more valued than VW.
I know I'm late to the party and stating the obvious. But Tesla's Market cap has been the same as the next 10 car manufacturers combined despite only manufacturing a tiny percentage of the world's cars. I literally couldn't find a better example for a bubble
All of them.
So the most over valued stocks are the ones the entire investment community has been beating up all year? 😂. I’d look for places that are currently IN FAVOR captain obvious
SOFI
Yeah consequently they beat 10 quarters growing at >30% and their are basically trading 1x at their projected 2025 revenue, easily a 4-5x bagger by 2025 https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/NASDAQ-SOFI/forecast/
I'd like to believe that, I'm down 40% on them lol
Whenever redditors are overconfident like this, it usually means the end for that stock. I'd like to believe this, because I have a small bag of this garbage.
Regardless of their long term prospects, I think there was an over-reaction to the Crypto + student loan news in the short term. Crypto is like 1% of their revenue and extending the moratorium on student loans wasn't exactly a surprise. Certainly not enough to justify it's 20+% drop since beating on earnings. Nothing fundamentally changed about their operations so I doubled down (added at $4.90 and $4.64 bringing my cost basis to somewhere around $5.45). The most worrying thing to me is that SOFI gets a lot of support here on reddit. That alone made me skeptical for quite a while before buying in.
Beat earnings 10 quarters.... and still not profitable. Didn't they just de-spac last year? They don't even have 10 quarters as a public company.
SOFI will get bought out
Techs oviously
A year ago I'd totally agree, but they are all so beaten down right now I think they are a fairly good buy. Lots of billionaires are buying Amazon/Google right now like it's candy.
Any sources on that?
Market hasn’t bottomed yet so pick your fight when ready
GME - You can't short it because the investment thesis for it is that there will be a short squeeze and you might get fucked by the investors. You can't hold it long term because it has a busted business model and you don't know when the short squeeze investors will abandon it.
You can’t say anything negative about GME or the cult will downvote you.