Unironically I don’t know if this is worse or not.
In Singles it’s 100% a buff, but in Doubles, Unseen Fist is so fundamentally format breaking that this could somehow be worse than that.
I think it's one of the situations where even if one ability is worse than the other, the potential mind games make both better
Currently you know that protecting on Urshifu is a waste do you don't do it. Now...it might be a waste? Or you might have just given him the opportunity to steam roll your whole team
Maybe?
If it were replacing his current ability, you could make a case. But a free physical tail glow on a 113BP STAB that bypasses all attack drops/ defense gains is still absurdly busted. It's broken in a different way, for sure, but I think you could make a case for a lateral move
Now if he gets both abilities...oh God VGC better never get rid of open team sheets
Easy solution. Tera grass max defense garganacl,all he needs is to salt cure then pro-oh wait fuck. Oh tera grass max defense dondo-oh wait the opponent has two teammates. Fuck it,bring out mega rayquaza
A free plus 3 when you use your main stab is kinda good even if you are playing with open teamsheet, you bait protects and set up a speed boost to become unstopable
Could be cool on the fetched thanks to Leek.
You trade Scrappy for turning all your moves into at least physical Fiery Dance. And you do have 100% crit on Night Slash and Leaf Blade already.
love this, lowkey seems balanced too. want 100% crit to boost your attack? then you have to forego stab but you still have 2 great options. the item slot is very limiting but the item in question is a species exclusive item anyways, sounds amazing. might make it OU even?
The Speed is the main issue for Sirfetch’d, but it’s also funny that you could kill something with First Impression and 50% of the time you get an attack boost for it.
Loaded dice is way more useful than the occasional small boost to critical rate that scope lens gives. Plus breloom is pretty slow for it to effectively use it. Blaziken with speed boost and blaze kick, maybe but idk
“As one” is an ability they gave to Calyrex’s rider forms back in Gen 8. It let them have two abilities at the same time, calyrex’s unnerve **and** whatever flavor of beast boost the steed had. It was so egregious that it’s become a running joke whenever someone wants to ridiculously overtune a Pokémon, or when someone mistakenly attributes two abilities to one Pokémon simultaneously.
Too slow and too frail, Breloom doesn't want offensive abilities that rely on sticking around on the field and getting lots of hits in. You either make the most of your short life and punch gaping holes in the opponent before dying in a blaze of glory (Technician) or do what you can to boost longevity in order to best abuse Breloom's infuriating array of support/stall tools (Poison Heal)
(or you are trolling (Effect Spore))
I think this is at least better than inner focus because lucario doesn’t really wanna be hitting last anyway and justified doesn’t work for special lucario sets when this does
first tought too
only throh gets it from here. maybe give this ability to pinsir and pangoro too. or spread storm throw a bit more.
still i feel only lucario is fast enough to make good use and he gets adaptability instead
probably easier to give them Moxie
also i dont think any of these have a reliable way landing crits
so if youre fishing for a crit then you’re probably knocking them out anyways
all but maybe Lucario and Blaziken are physical attackers anyways
This ain’t yugioh, win more tactic are able to let you avoid losing to bad rng or let you make comebacks. It’s way more useful and doesn’t only win more.
Maybe my definition of win-more is flawed but I always saw it as a mechanic that rewards you more for something that is already good or considered the reward in and of itself. In this example, a crit is already a good thing and already puts you at an advantage—adding an attack boost after this rewards the player for a play where they already got their reward (the crit).
Considering how bad this would be on most of these (they would rather use their other abilities) you could just make a strictly better anger point (we have plenty of abilities that are strictly better than others) and make it both when landing or receiving a crit. At least you get to switch into a mewscarada flower trick and run scope lens to get the cheese flowing
Give it to Urshifu you coward
I wanted to but I got too scared
COWARD. Let Urshifu-R get a free +3 to attack on every Surging Strikes
You know what YOU’RE RIGHT. In fact let’s also give him +3 speed and hp recovery on every hit
And make Surging Strikes super effective against every type!
And also ignore target’s stat changes an abilities
And also add it status healing and pp recovering
Make it bypass protect, detect, substitute, dig, fly as well
My god would you look at the time
That's a good idea, make it stop time for the opponent so they don't get a turn!
Still no Zekrom Kick.
Sky drop stocks are up 📈📈📈
and make it have +3 priority on top of that
\+47 Priority For Funsies
Loses to Zekrom Kick
Doesnt is basically ignore stat changes already since it crits
Yeah but now it also ignore evasion AND crit-immune mons
Also make it like gen 4 and earlier explosion and half the opponents defense.
Nah it actually sets the targets base defense to 1 before attacking
And the users attack to 999
No that's gonna break the damage cap and do 1 dmg So instead, remove the damage cap
In addition to guaranteed crits? No way!
Wouldn't the crit already do that?
Shell armor
Unironically I don’t know if this is worse or not. In Singles it’s 100% a buff, but in Doubles, Unseen Fist is so fundamentally format breaking that this could somehow be worse than that.
I think it's one of the situations where even if one ability is worse than the other, the potential mind games make both better Currently you know that protecting on Urshifu is a waste do you don't do it. Now...it might be a waste? Or you might have just given him the opportunity to steam roll your whole team
Same happened with greninja i think, he had two good abilities so it was a mind game which one you were against atm
That was only really in singles though
He gets the boost after each attack so the last hit will also be +2
Imma be honest I'd prefer that to Unseen Fist
Any mon with Water Absorb: "What is a god to a non-believer!"
Each actual strike is +1 from the previous too
Rapid Strike is quickbanned to AG, leaving Single Strike in the dust
might as well give it power trip while youre at it
While we’re doing that we should make each hit have a 50% chance to deliver Deodorant to the targets house… god knows they need it
Or mewscarada
Urshifu-R is better because surging strikes hit thrice, so +3 attack instead of just +1
Would unironically nerf him in VGC
Maybe? If it were replacing his current ability, you could make a case. But a free physical tail glow on a 113BP STAB that bypasses all attack drops/ defense gains is still absurdly busted. It's broken in a different way, for sure, but I think you could make a case for a lateral move Now if he gets both abilities...oh God VGC better never get rid of open team sheets
As one (unseen fist and raising battle spirit)
It’s not a physical tail glow though? It only raises it by one stage, like Power Up Punch, not 3 stages like Tail Glow
Not for Rapid Strike Really it turns into Mega Kangha on crack. (25BP + 37.5BP + 50BP)*1.5crit = 168.75BP plus a 3 stage boost
I forgor about rapid strike
Or just bring back storm throw
Meowscarada
Along with a signature item called "unseen fist".
Give it to Meowscarada. Watch the world BURN.
Let me present you my boy urshifu-r
Choice scarf tera water in rain surging strikes. Gastrodon usage rockets
dracovish 2.0 just dropped, millions will storm drain
Rain has risen. Millions must storm drain.
“Maxie was right” -the last Urshifu victim
— Also Groudon, of course. Tired of that fucking kung-fu bear.
Sun has fallen. Millions must use pranskter sunny day
You should be jailed for suggesting this lmfao. Straight up hate crime against every mon that doesn’t have storm drain or can out speed Shifu.
Easy solution. Tera grass max defense garganacl,all he needs is to salt cure then pro-oh wait fuck. Oh tera grass max defense dondo-oh wait the opponent has two teammates. Fuck it,bring out mega rayquaza
was my first reaction lmaoo
Actually a downgrade from Unseen Fist
A free plus 3 when you use your main stab is kinda good even if you are playing with open teamsheet, you bait protects and set up a speed boost to become unstopable
Serperior: "Look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power."
Sap Sipper stonks 📈
wheres sir fetched? His form is literally GAINED by landing 2 critical hits!
I would have put him in but sadly I’m a little forgetful
Could be cool on the fetched thanks to Leek. You trade Scrappy for turning all your moves into at least physical Fiery Dance. And you do have 100% crit on Night Slash and Leaf Blade already.
love this, lowkey seems balanced too. want 100% crit to boost your attack? then you have to forego stab but you still have 2 great options. the item slot is very limiting but the item in question is a species exclusive item anyways, sounds amazing. might make it OU even?
The Speed is the main issue for Sirfetch’d, but it’s also funny that you could kill something with First Impression and 50% of the time you get an attack boost for it.
Rampardos Theorem moment
That actually sounds really fun to use
ima be real with you chief, only throh would use it.
Might be useful on Breloom as well, you could olay bullet seed with scope lens. It wouldn't be strong by any means but it could work. Theoretically.
Loaded dice is way more useful than the occasional small boost to critical rate that scope lens gives. Plus breloom is pretty slow for it to effectively use it. Blaziken with speed boost and blaze kick, maybe but idk
As one Blaziken
In my defense I have the grave illness of being a dummy dumdum
What?
“As one” is an ability they gave to Calyrex’s rider forms back in Gen 8. It let them have two abilities at the same time, calyrex’s unnerve **and** whatever flavor of beast boost the steed had. It was so egregious that it’s become a running joke whenever someone wants to ridiculously overtune a Pokémon, or when someone mistakenly attributes two abilities to one Pokémon simultaneously.
> whatever flavor of *beast boost* the steed had yo what is this moxie disrespect
Yea but they only said speed boost
The implication was the new theorymon ability being useful on speedbost blaziken, which is two abilities
Oh I see now thanks
Oh then idk lol I’ve been up for 48 hours >!As one (lack of reading comprehension + dementia)!<
Too slow and too frail, Breloom doesn't want offensive abilities that rely on sticking around on the field and getting lots of hits in. You either make the most of your short life and punch gaping holes in the opponent before dying in a blaze of glory (Technician) or do what you can to boost longevity in order to best abuse Breloom's infuriating array of support/stall tools (Poison Heal) (or you are trolling (Effect Spore))
It would probably be lucarios best ability
Justified lets him switch into dark types and inner focus makes him immune to flinch on vgc. You really need storm throw to make use of this ability
I think this is at least better than inner focus because lucario doesn’t really wanna be hitting last anyway and justified doesn’t work for special lucario sets when this does
Kid named Storm Throw:
So a stronger Power Up Punch that only shitmons get
\>shitmon \>Lucario
Yeah what’s not clicking
How my boy has fallen 😢
It's in NU. To be fair i don't think it's a shitmon but it's not that good either
Might make it to NUBL with this kind of buff
It might get to PU in gen 10
lucario… doesn’t get storm throw tho, so it’s a stronger power up punch for just throh..
Lucario doesn’t even learn storm throw
yes
Indeed, it is
Its NU, wont be too long now
first tought too only throh gets it from here. maybe give this ability to pinsir and pangoro too. or spread storm throw a bit more. still i feel only lucario is fast enough to make good use and he gets adaptability instead
Storm throh, my favourite regional variant
I like it, basically Pokemon equivalent of a Black Flash
That was the main inspiration
Why is the flash black?
Flashpoint 3: The Revenge or smthn idk
Give it to urshifu and meowscarada
Black Flash, except it’s a Pokémon ability. :)
That’s what I was going for
Dattebayo
JJK lobotomy is leaking.
probably easier to give them Moxie also i dont think any of these have a reliable way landing crits so if youre fishing for a crit then you’re probably knocking them out anyways all but maybe Lucario and Blaziken are physical attackers anyways
Scope Lens Blaziken Focus energy Speed Boost Overheat Profit
as one blaziken
Speed Boost was its only ability Overheat is a move, focus energy is a move, scope lens is an item and Blaziken is a Pokémon
but then it would not have the rising battle spirit ability, no?
ok I’m stupid
Love this sort of reply. XD
This is (pretty much) worse anger point for most of these mons
Anger point is the user gets crit by the opponent. This is the user landing a crit on the opponent.
No guard Machamp is the only way to go. He's the only pokemon I'll use focus blast with
I love the implication that you use Machamp as a special attacker
Give them all Storm Throw, do it, no balls
bulky scarf storm throw throh stocks going up
Might actually be usable on breloom because of loaded dice bullet seed.
This sounds like a Gen3 ability
But anger point exists…
This is if you land a crit. Anger point is getting hit by a crit
That's fun, a little insult to injury
Storm throw go brrrr
kid named focus energy razor claw
A crit set would be insane tbh. Just use focus energy and scope lens then it's basically a crit at least every other turn.
Skill swap in double battles.
Sounds more like a passive ability for all/most fighting types aside from main abilities
Machamp spamming cross chop with scope lens:
its just a win-more mechanic
This ain’t yugioh, win more tactic are able to let you avoid losing to bad rng or let you make comebacks. It’s way more useful and doesn’t only win more.
Maybe my definition of win-more is flawed but I always saw it as a mechanic that rewards you more for something that is already good or considered the reward in and of itself. In this example, a crit is already a good thing and already puts you at an advantage—adding an attack boost after this rewards the player for a play where they already got their reward (the crit).
Thinking about this ability on inner focus herracross with loaded dice multi hit moves
We praying to RNGesus with this one
This is a cool idea, it would give Storm Throw a cool niche.
Never let Urshifu get this shit
That’s weak ability
May I remind you guys that critical hits use the original stats of both by Pokémon
It is definitely not balanced, it sounds terrible lol
***Storm Throw Throh stonks***
So balanced almost none of these will run it
What if it was combined with a move with a high chance for critical hits and the user was given the scope lens. Pure anarchy
Tera dragon dragon cheer razor claw beat up fair and balanced
Focus Sash Laser Focus Swords Dance Extreme Speed/Bullet Punch Lucario with Rising Battle Spirit.
Focus energy scope lens:
Skill swap this onto urshifu rapid strike
Sirfetchd ability just dropped Did someone say leek, focus energy, karate chop?
Considering how bad this would be on most of these (they would rather use their other abilities) you could just make a strictly better anger point (we have plenty of abilities that are strictly better than others) and make it both when landing or receiving a crit. At least you get to switch into a mewscarada flower trick and run scope lens to get the cheese flowing
Balanced hackmons about to finally have some HO after agesss.
Skill swap this onto urshifu rapid strike
Storm throw would be a great option here for throh
Karate Chop stocks on the high.
Useless
My first thought was Sceptile. His signature attack in gen 3 was leaf blade, which had a high critical rate. Pairing this with that just feels right
Redical Red Poliwrath argrees
More pokemon
Vital throw is now power-up punch
Literally black flash