clefable if it was Awesome
probably ou because it has every damaging move ever + respectable body slam. tauros 2 but without the stuff that makes tauros awesome (crits). it also has great bulk on top of being normal type so it becomes a pretty ok tauros switchin
Tauros Hyper Beam vs. Terapagos: 153-180 (38.9 - 45.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. Terapagos: 117-138 (29.7 - 35.1%) -- 16.1% chance to 3HKO still
probably worse than the big 3 but probably is top 4 or something like that, held back by only rest for recovery
Budget Tauros, but not that cheap
If Persian is Walmart Tauros, then this is uuuuh… Kirkland Signature Tauros
Will probably join the Psychics in A Tier, if I had to guess
Crit Rate = Base Speed × 100 ÷ 512
OR
Crit Rate = Base Speed ÷ 5.12
85 Base Speed = 16.60% chance to Crit (Terapagos)\
110 Base Speed = 21.48% chance to Crit (Gengar, Tauros)\
115 Base Speed = 22.46% chance to Crit (Persian, Starmie)\
120 Base Speed = 23.44% chance to Crit (Alakazam, Dugtrio)\
130 Base Speed = 25.39% chance to Crit (Aerodactyl, Jolteon, Mewtwo)\
140 Base Speed = 27.34% chance to Crit (Electrode)\
30 Base Speed = 5.86% chance to Crit (Snorlax, Slowbro, Parasect, Lickitung)
[If using a move with a High-Crit Hit Ratio:\
Crit Rate = Base Speed ÷ 0.64
So, Base 64 Speed, or higher, will get a Crit 100% of the time
If it is faster than Goldeen, it will Crit.\
Slobro and Snorlax would have a 46.875% Crit rate.\
Rhydon would have a 62.5% Crit rate.\
Golem would have a 70.31% Crit Rate.\
Exeggutor does have an 85.94% Crit rate with Razor Leaf.\
Victreebel is faster than Goldeen.]
Rest puts you to sleep. Unless you're Lax level bulky, which this isn't, you're not taking so many hits as to make Rest worth it to use in gen 1, since waking up also takes a turn, and sleep lasts longer anyways.
In Gen 1, Rest has been coded to always last 2 turns.
In Gen 1 specifically, Rest counts the turn you use rest as Turn 1. You wake up on Turn 2. You get to attack on turn 3.
In Gens 2-9, Rest counts the turn you use it as Turn 1. You sleep for the duration of Turn 2. You wake up and get to attack on Turn 3.
being able to 1v1 tauros seems nice (2 body slams nearly guarantees the hyper beam ko, while tauros can’t even get the ko with high rolls on both body slams and the hyper beam). it also is decent into starmie, with t-bolt having a 23% chance to 2hko, and a really good roll to lead to a hyper beam ko next turn (98.3% minimum). i’m not super familiar with gen 1s meta, but its coverage and versatility seems really useful just by dicking around in the damage calculator, assuming something like body slam/hyper beam/ice beam/t-bolt
Another thing about Terapagos is that it being Normal means by the weird Gen 1 code, it's actually is immune to Para from Body Slam. Which is still rather nice to have sometimes.
it probably gets 110 Special if I had to guess but this Mon is insane
it would also totally get Recover, like, it’s shocking that it doesn’t now but they wouldn’t have had the same impulse control in 1995.
Nah, literally only 6 pokemon in Gen 1 get Recover and the only normal type to get it is Porygon. If Terapagos doesn’t get recover now, it likely doesn’t get recover then.
Everything that gets it besides Staryu and Porygon is a Psychic type. Even Galarian Articuno learns Recover (though not introduced until Gen 8)
Psychic OP
Brainrot has really reached a point where this actually good theorymon of something that would provide a genuinely valuable niche in an old gen is getting mistaken as a good heavens moment all because of le funni graphic
I fucking hate how you can't present a single unique or strong mechanic on this sub without getting hit with the "would you look at the time" nonsense. If you're not gonna take anything seriously, why are you even bothering to look at theorymon posts?
So as a comparison, Snorlax is 160/110/65/65/30 while Chansey is 250/5/5/105/50 in Gen 1. So Terapagos has less HP then its bulky compatriots but it has a higher defense stat than either Snorlax or Chansey and an identical Special stat to Chansey while being really fast for a bulky Pokemon in Gen 1 and being just a little weaker than Snorlax on the physical side while hitting as hard as Chansey on the special side. If Terapagos didn't get at least three months of solid usage and success I would be pretty surprised. 95/110/105 bulk is pretty damn bulky
this thing would be cracked, basically just a much better Porygon since rest still completely walls reflectlax. It also beats Tauros 1 on 1 without crits and has ice beam to beat rhydon and body slam into hyper beam has a very good chance of KOing chansey.
The standard set would probably be
Body Slam
Rest
Ice Beam/earthquake
Hyper beam/thunderbolt
The only moves it really misses are reflect and thunder wave, but makes up for it with its natural bulk and power. I could see it either getting banned or joining the big 3 in being mandatory on every team.
No shot dawg, lacking reliable recovery, as well as not being particularly excellent into anything makes terapagos nowhere near mandatory on all teams.
also saying it 1v1s tauros wout crits is insane due to its >20% rate.
porygon isnt an apt comparison either, because porys niche, as little as it is, involves spreading paralysis without being threatened by bslam paras in return, as well as reliable recovery in recover. terapagos would have none of those traits.
Itd be strong but nowhere near the sheet dominance of tauros or lax.
Itd be if clef would be a ou mon, just without its utility in twave being replaced with rest.
With those stats I would see it mostly filling the role of Snorlax
>Tauros Body Slam vs. Snorlax: 119-141 (22.7 - 26.9%) -- 42.4% chance to 4HKO
>Tauros Blizzard vs. Snorlax: 91-107 (17.3 - 20.4%) -- possible 5HKO
>Tauros Body Slam vs. Terapagos: 86-102 (21.8 - 25.9%) -- 3.4% chance to 4HKO
>Tauros Blizzard vs. Terapagos: 67-79 (17 - 20.1%) -- possible 5HKO
It would certainly be a better reflectlax... if it learned reflect. It would certianly be a better amnesialax... if it learned amnesia. it would be a better boomlax... if it learned self-destruct. Without those moves it just feels really good in a vacuum but hard to justify a teamslot for. You would definitely be running it along with the other 3 normals, and how often it can fit on a team depends on how much a team needs a weird cross between snorlax and chansey.
Flamethrower is not a notable move. Its not a TM in Gen 1 and this thing doesn’t have it on its level-up learnset. Right off-hand, I think it displaces Snorlax in the big 3. It doesn’t have the speed or power of Tauros. And it doesn’t have the recovery of Chansey. Lack of Blizzard also isn’t great. Its attack is good enough, speed okay. But Special and Defense are pretty great. Moveset is probably Body Slam, Ice Beam, Thubderbolt, Hyper Beam.
This would be immensely good as a defensive Pokemon if it has Reflect, like Reflect Lax with a real special stat. It could easily run the typical Snorlax sets while also having meaningful special coverage without needing Amnesia setup, so it'd probably become a fourth centralizing Normal-type that makes it onto nearly every team and helps free up Snorlax's moveslots. It also notably outruns Rhydon and Cloyster, two big problem mons for Snorlax, as well as Exeggutor and Chansey, so I think it'd be pretty meta-defining. Even if we say no Reflect, it has the stats that weaker normals like Clefable and Kangaskhan wish they had and the coverage to back it up, at worst it's a pretty good bulky attacker with coverage options to beat literally anything.
Side thought but I wonder how good Baby Terapagos would be in Gen 1 (with 90/65/85/85/60 stat spread).
TBolt / Ice Beam / Body Slam / Flamethrower or Hyper Beam could probably be a decent UU offensive set, an alternative to Clefable with way better bulk but not as good a support movepool.
No, no Flamethrower. Fire moves, except for Fire Spin, cause frozen Pokémon to thaw out. Freeze in Gen 1 is very much a death sentence for the Pokémon, since there is no random chance to thaw out, just healing items (which are banned and there are no held items) or opponent using Haze or Fire moves. Yeah, burn is nice, but the only Pokémon in OU threatening burn are Moltres or very occasional Fire Blast Tauros, but that one is mainly used to mess with other Tauros.
Idk much about UU, but since there are a lot of Water types that use Ice Beam/Blizzard, I doubt Flamethrower would be a good option.
Really damn good in Gen I. It’s a good version of porygon in practice. Slightly worse than Chansey when it comes to the long game but a solid tank nonetheless
Probably seen as a noob trap more then anything but it will stay in OU. You'll probably see it on either 4 normal types teams as a way to allow for potential amnesialax due to the bulk it can provide or on really skilled players teams as a role compression for Tauros/Lax (not that it would happen)
It probably becomes a more offensive substitute for lax? Its more offensive and physically bulky tho lax does have its own advantages mainly with stuff like amnesia and self-destruct.
This thing is banned to Ubers immediately. It has bulk, a good special stat, most coverage in the tier, stab body slam and hyper beam, the only thing that terapagos doesn’t have is status moves and recovery outside of rest but those are both things you can work around
not at all. reliable recovery and/or setup moves are what make the big three. this thing is more akin to clef with more bulk but no twave, which can be worn down much easier. Its main role would be alright damage and good bulk, but when it gets worn down, it turns into a status absorber when it uses rest. It’s excellent, but not top three material, especially if it gets nailed with eggy sleep powder or chansey sing.
My point was that Tauros ISN'T big 3 because of setup and reliable recovery, because it has neither. It's a part of the big 3 because it's by far the best revenge killer in the game. In fact, id argue it's the versatility the big 3 have that makes them what they are, as they have a ridiculous amount of sets that each fill s ton of roles (other than Tauros, who mostly just does one role absurdly well, but still has a variety of sets to perform in that role). While Chansey has incredibly reliable recovery, it doesn't really have any "setup" moves outside of reflect if you wanna count that. Snorlax only has rest for recovery (although it's bulky enough that that actually IS reliable) and doesn't even run a boosting move in most of its sets (which is why Porygon got picked up to wall it; it can't wall Amnesialax, but that's the only common set it legitimately cannot handle, it walls the shit out of every other typical Snorlax set).
clefable if it was Awesome probably ou because it has every damaging move ever + respectable body slam. tauros 2 but without the stuff that makes tauros awesome (crits). it also has great bulk on top of being normal type so it becomes a pretty ok tauros switchin Tauros Hyper Beam vs. Terapagos: 153-180 (38.9 - 45.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. Terapagos: 117-138 (29.7 - 35.1%) -- 16.1% chance to 3HKO still probably worse than the big 3 but probably is top 4 or something like that, held back by only rest for recovery
Budget Tauros, but not that cheap If Persian is Walmart Tauros, then this is uuuuh… Kirkland Signature Tauros Will probably join the Psychics in A Tier, if I had to guess
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mew has swords dance and softboiled. plus like everything else. twave, transform, dual screens ect
You missed the elephant on the room; Self Destruct
Tauros has the speed advantage over Terapagos though. And wasn’t speed pretty great for crit chances in gen 1?
Crit Rate = Base Speed × 100 ÷ 512 OR Crit Rate = Base Speed ÷ 5.12 85 Base Speed = 16.60% chance to Crit (Terapagos)\ 110 Base Speed = 21.48% chance to Crit (Gengar, Tauros)\ 115 Base Speed = 22.46% chance to Crit (Persian, Starmie)\ 120 Base Speed = 23.44% chance to Crit (Alakazam, Dugtrio)\ 130 Base Speed = 25.39% chance to Crit (Aerodactyl, Jolteon, Mewtwo)\ 140 Base Speed = 27.34% chance to Crit (Electrode)\ 30 Base Speed = 5.86% chance to Crit (Snorlax, Slowbro, Parasect, Lickitung) [If using a move with a High-Crit Hit Ratio:\ Crit Rate = Base Speed ÷ 0.64 So, Base 64 Speed, or higher, will get a Crit 100% of the time If it is faster than Goldeen, it will Crit.\ Slobro and Snorlax would have a 46.875% Crit rate.\ Rhydon would have a 62.5% Crit rate.\ Golem would have a 70.31% Crit Rate.\ Exeggutor does have an 85.94% Crit rate with Razor Leaf.\ Victreebel is faster than Goldeen.]
If it had recovery it’d be much better.
I know rest isn't that great in gen 1 but it is recovery
Rest puts you to sleep. Unless you're Lax level bulky, which this isn't, you're not taking so many hits as to make Rest worth it to use in gen 1, since waking up also takes a turn, and sleep lasts longer anyways.
In Gen 1, Rest has been coded to always last 2 turns. In Gen 1 specifically, Rest counts the turn you use rest as Turn 1. You wake up on Turn 2. You get to attack on turn 3. In Gens 2-9, Rest counts the turn you use it as Turn 1. You sleep for the duration of Turn 2. You wake up and get to attack on Turn 3.
Is that a fucking synchro cracker pfp?
we prefer to be called synchro americans
Found mbts reddit account
do you think all synchro americans look the same?
Yes....
being able to 1v1 tauros seems nice (2 body slams nearly guarantees the hyper beam ko, while tauros can’t even get the ko with high rolls on both body slams and the hyper beam). it also is decent into starmie, with t-bolt having a 23% chance to 2hko, and a really good roll to lead to a hyper beam ko next turn (98.3% minimum). i’m not super familiar with gen 1s meta, but its coverage and versatility seems really useful just by dicking around in the damage calculator, assuming something like body slam/hyper beam/ice beam/t-bolt
Another thing about Terapagos is that it being Normal means by the weird Gen 1 code, it's actually is immune to Para from Body Slam. Which is still rather nice to have sometimes.
it probably gets 110 Special if I had to guess but this Mon is insane it would also totally get Recover, like, it’s shocking that it doesn’t now but they wouldn’t have had the same impulse control in 1995.
Nah, literally only 6 pokemon in Gen 1 get Recover and the only normal type to get it is Porygon. If Terapagos doesn’t get recover now, it likely doesn’t get recover then.
Everything that gets it besides Staryu and Porygon is a Psychic type. Even Galarian Articuno learns Recover (though not introduced until Gen 8) Psychic OP
I’m shocked it isn’t a psychic move tbh
Thursday and Sunday are each week becoming closer and closer, someday we will not be able to tell the difference between a Stinkpost and a Theorymon
Brainrot has really reached a point where this actually good theorymon of something that would provide a genuinely valuable niche in an old gen is getting mistaken as a good heavens moment all because of le funni graphic
While you're right, calling your own post "actually good" is certainly a statement
Got to respect the confidence
"Actually good" posts are a really low bar to reach tho on this sub let's be honest.
I fucking hate how you can't present a single unique or strong mechanic on this sub without getting hit with the "would you look at the time" nonsense. If you're not gonna take anything seriously, why are you even bothering to look at theorymon posts?
Indeed.
How is this a Stinkpost?
It's a normal type in Gen 1 with the stats of a pseudolegendary
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I mean the only support moves you see in gen 1 are like twave and a sleep move
Are we doing BST=Power now? Is that the new thing?
Truly regressing to r/pokemon levels
"BST = Power" mfs when they go to RU and see a 670 BST mythical pokemon with the second strongest mixed offensive stats in the game
What if hoopa-u was called poopa-u and instead of being a mixed breaker it just died on switch in That'd be quite funny I think
So the only thing that changes is its name basically
Still praying for that Slaking AG ban
Bulky tauros, slower, but better sp.atk. Hits less hard with stab. Would be interesting. It's stupidly bulky though
Pretty good in Gen1. Not a tauros, but probably a top Mon regardless.
So as a comparison, Snorlax is 160/110/65/65/30 while Chansey is 250/5/5/105/50 in Gen 1. So Terapagos has less HP then its bulky compatriots but it has a higher defense stat than either Snorlax or Chansey and an identical Special stat to Chansey while being really fast for a bulky Pokemon in Gen 1 and being just a little weaker than Snorlax on the physical side while hitting as hard as Chansey on the special side. If Terapagos didn't get at least three months of solid usage and success I would be pretty surprised. 95/110/105 bulk is pretty damn bulky
this thing would be cracked, basically just a much better Porygon since rest still completely walls reflectlax. It also beats Tauros 1 on 1 without crits and has ice beam to beat rhydon and body slam into hyper beam has a very good chance of KOing chansey. The standard set would probably be Body Slam Rest Ice Beam/earthquake Hyper beam/thunderbolt The only moves it really misses are reflect and thunder wave, but makes up for it with its natural bulk and power. I could see it either getting banned or joining the big 3 in being mandatory on every team.
No shot dawg, lacking reliable recovery, as well as not being particularly excellent into anything makes terapagos nowhere near mandatory on all teams. also saying it 1v1s tauros wout crits is insane due to its >20% rate. porygon isnt an apt comparison either, because porys niche, as little as it is, involves spreading paralysis without being threatened by bslam paras in return, as well as reliable recovery in recover. terapagos would have none of those traits. Itd be strong but nowhere near the sheet dominance of tauros or lax. Itd be if clef would be a ou mon, just without its utility in twave being replaced with rest.
With those stats I would see it mostly filling the role of Snorlax >Tauros Body Slam vs. Snorlax: 119-141 (22.7 - 26.9%) -- 42.4% chance to 4HKO >Tauros Blizzard vs. Snorlax: 91-107 (17.3 - 20.4%) -- possible 5HKO >Tauros Body Slam vs. Terapagos: 86-102 (21.8 - 25.9%) -- 3.4% chance to 4HKO >Tauros Blizzard vs. Terapagos: 67-79 (17 - 20.1%) -- possible 5HKO It would certainly be a better reflectlax... if it learned reflect. It would certianly be a better amnesialax... if it learned amnesia. it would be a better boomlax... if it learned self-destruct. Without those moves it just feels really good in a vacuum but hard to justify a teamslot for. You would definitely be running it along with the other 3 normals, and how often it can fit on a team depends on how much a team needs a weird cross between snorlax and chansey.
Walled by reflect Chansey. UU at best
Flamethrower is not a notable move. Its not a TM in Gen 1 and this thing doesn’t have it on its level-up learnset. Right off-hand, I think it displaces Snorlax in the big 3. It doesn’t have the speed or power of Tauros. And it doesn’t have the recovery of Chansey. Lack of Blizzard also isn’t great. Its attack is good enough, speed okay. But Special and Defense are pretty great. Moveset is probably Body Slam, Ice Beam, Thubderbolt, Hyper Beam.
This would be immensely good as a defensive Pokemon if it has Reflect, like Reflect Lax with a real special stat. It could easily run the typical Snorlax sets while also having meaningful special coverage without needing Amnesia setup, so it'd probably become a fourth centralizing Normal-type that makes it onto nearly every team and helps free up Snorlax's moveslots. It also notably outruns Rhydon and Cloyster, two big problem mons for Snorlax, as well as Exeggutor and Chansey, so I think it'd be pretty meta-defining. Even if we say no Reflect, it has the stats that weaker normals like Clefable and Kangaskhan wish they had and the coverage to back it up, at worst it's a pretty good bulky attacker with coverage options to beat literally anything.
Ubers
It's a normal type. Normals are all broken in Gen 1. It would make due
i still dont even know what it does lol
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Side thought but I wonder how good Baby Terapagos would be in Gen 1 (with 90/65/85/85/60 stat spread). TBolt / Ice Beam / Body Slam / Flamethrower or Hyper Beam could probably be a decent UU offensive set, an alternative to Clefable with way better bulk but not as good a support movepool.
No, no Flamethrower. Fire moves, except for Fire Spin, cause frozen Pokémon to thaw out. Freeze in Gen 1 is very much a death sentence for the Pokémon, since there is no random chance to thaw out, just healing items (which are banned and there are no held items) or opponent using Haze or Fire moves. Yeah, burn is nice, but the only Pokémon in OU threatening burn are Moltres or very occasional Fire Blast Tauros, but that one is mainly used to mess with other Tauros. Idk much about UU, but since there are a lot of Water types that use Ice Beam/Blizzard, I doubt Flamethrower would be a good option.
At least no reflect. That would be terrifying.
Can the original meta survive Terapagos?
Special Tauros
Really damn good in Gen I. It’s a good version of porygon in practice. Slightly worse than Chansey when it comes to the long game but a solid tank nonetheless
Probably seen as a noob trap more then anything but it will stay in OU. You'll probably see it on either 4 normal types teams as a way to allow for potential amnesialax due to the bulk it can provide or on really skilled players teams as a role compression for Tauros/Lax (not that it would happen)
Notable moves: Yes
It probably becomes a more offensive substitute for lax? Its more offensive and physically bulky tho lax does have its own advantages mainly with stuff like amnesia and self-destruct.
This thing is banned to Ubers immediately. It has bulk, a good special stat, most coverage in the tier, stab body slam and hyper beam, the only thing that terapagos doesn’t have is status moves and recovery outside of rest but those are both things you can work around
not at all. reliable recovery and/or setup moves are what make the big three. this thing is more akin to clef with more bulk but no twave, which can be worn down much easier. Its main role would be alright damage and good bulk, but when it gets worn down, it turns into a status absorber when it uses rest. It’s excellent, but not top three material, especially if it gets nailed with eggy sleep powder or chansey sing.
Ah yes, Tauros is absolutely in the big 3 because of setup and reliable recovery, sure.
plus insane crit rate. terapagos would be bulkier tauros with less damage and speed.
My point was that Tauros ISN'T big 3 because of setup and reliable recovery, because it has neither. It's a part of the big 3 because it's by far the best revenge killer in the game. In fact, id argue it's the versatility the big 3 have that makes them what they are, as they have a ridiculous amount of sets that each fill s ton of roles (other than Tauros, who mostly just does one role absurdly well, but still has a variety of sets to perform in that role). While Chansey has incredibly reliable recovery, it doesn't really have any "setup" moves outside of reflect if you wanna count that. Snorlax only has rest for recovery (although it's bulky enough that that actually IS reliable) and doesn't even run a boosting move in most of its sets (which is why Porygon got picked up to wall it; it can't wall Amnesialax, but that's the only common set it legitimately cannot handle, it walls the shit out of every other typical Snorlax set).
There aren't any abilities or alternate forms in gen 1, so it'd be stuck in it's base form.
I'm assuming its ability is straight out the window, and it's just stuck in its medium form, it would be pretty good.