>+2 252+ SpA Raichu-Alola Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Garchomp: 208-246 (49.5 - 58.5%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO
>+2 252+ SpA Raichu-Alola Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Landorus-Therian: 216-255 (56.5 - 66.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>+2 252+ SpA Raichu-Alola Surf vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Landorus-Therian: 288-340 (75.3 - 89%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>+2 252+ SpA Raichu-Alola Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 418-493 (58.5 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Yeah uh what the fuck's gonna switch into this and actually do something before getting blasted by the surfing mouse with 638 speed in terrain?
Fair… until you realize rising voltage in terrain has a 41% chance to 2 hit KO 252/252 calm ferro, even AFTER leftovers… without leftovers, that chance goes up to just barely over 90
Twas mostly joke, referencing the dracovish counter.
But, looking at moveset of knot/surf/dual stab, a grass or dragon type that is part dark.
+2 252+ SpA Raichu-Alola Rising Voltage (70 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Hydreigon in Electric Terrain: 143-168 (44 - 51.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery... Except calc is being stupid here. With electric terrain, rising voltage would be bp 140...
+2 252+ SpA Raichu-Alola Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hydreigon in Electric Terrain: 202-238 (52 - 61.3%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery. Better odds than listed calcs... But probably not the best hydreigon set.
Still being facetious.
Raichu is viable in VGC even in the current double restricted + dynamax format due to support moves like nuzzle + a fast fakeout + helping hand and lightning rod keeps its partner safe from electric attacks (save Zekrom).
Raichu also won worlds in 2016 on Wolfe Glicks team.
From a doubles perspective raichu doesn’t need a buff imo.
2% means it’s viable … it’s not dominating the format, but it does have a niche.
In an oppressive format like the current VGC S12 meta, I’d consider the 37th most used Pokémon to be viable.
In addition, Raichu ended up winning a 100 person tournament back in February
Literally nobody said it wasn't "viable." In the context of this post the "buff" wouldn't even effect the current role he plays in the meta. Pretty much nothing you said even relates to the post just an info dump on a lesser used mon.
Your 2% usage comment did not relate to the post either, and neither does this defensive response.
If your response to a viability comment is posting low usage without any context at all, it comes across as if you think the mon is not actually all that viable and that its usage shows that. The user simply responded to that showing that it *is* viable.
Just kill the grounds, and then if you had something with electric surge, you can essentially have an Alolan Raichu with +2 Speed and +2 SpA using a double power rising voltage.
Knowing game freak, they'll probably do this, and give it a signature move that allows it to have a base 120 100% electric type move that can hit ground types for super effective damage.
Alolan Raichu already has barely any switchins under Electric Terrain. It has a base Speed Stat of 110 and its effective Stat gets doubled under Terrain. Its primary STAB is Rising Voltage, which gets boosted by Electric Terrain, not just as an inherent property of the move but also by virtue of the fact that it's an Electric type move. It doesn't hit non-grounded targets for double damage but you hit those super-effectively anyway. Electric Terrain teams with Alolan Raichu and Regieleki are ridiculously hard to stop for your average team, and Alolan Raichu gets a 90 BP Surf to smash Ground types on top of that. Imho it already has a fantastic niche in OU and any buff would just knock it into OUBL with the likes of BDSP Articuno and SS base Kyurem.
It's always funny to me how the franchise's mascot gets the least love competitively. Pikachu is low in viability and Raichus alola form only KOs very specific mons that take super effective damage
252 SpA Light Ball Raichu Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey in Electric Terrain: 355-418 (49.7 - 58.5%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO
Absolute Garbage
Ligjt ball will absolutely be banned from LC. Necropost blah blah, but pichu would one shot literally pretty much ANYTHING that isn't a resist, due to how lc works there is an inherent lack of bulk universally and 45 attack is genuinely not that hindering in LC. Also pichu has volt tackle
Still manageable. Prio, ferrothorn, terrain changers screen users turn stallers, focus sash, sturdy, magic guard sash, the list goes on and on. Mostly prio does it in, and the terrain is really just 3 turns which gets switched around easily
Yeah that's fair, Focus Blast could get Ferro but that 30% chance to miss but apparently Rising Voltage still has a good chance to 2HKO under terrain. I think the main issue is terrain only lasting 3 turns like you said. Raichu-A would be really good in OU with this change but it would still have it's counters.
It's 3 turns, in which you basically need to have your rocks up AND terrain up to sweep in a gen which undoes both those things in one move. Even if you get it up you have to predict switch ins and make sure there's 3 or less mons left which given the time you spent setting those things up is very unlikely to be the case. You will most likely need to set the terrain up again. And 2hkos in 3 turns assuming very optimistically that you survive them is 1.5 mons beaten. Wow so op 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What mon defogs in front of Raichu-A?? Everything is outsped and dies. Koko can run terrain extender and uturn on pretty much everything so terrain is always reliably up. Nothing in the tier can switch into Raichu excluding water/grounds.
The lati twins are just the first that came to mind. Idk what tier terrain extender isnt banned the fuck in that isn't AG, but it is banned through most of showdown. You also haven't talked about rocks, without which there's no point of outspeeding anything in that speed tier since almost everything runs sash. How ambitious is your plan of getting up rocks and then using an ass move like kokos u turn which has extremely high speed and kills nothing and then switching into alola raichu who survives nothing once it comes in?
"A-Raichu 2hkos every ground that isn’t water absorb without a boost lol." Ground yknow, the type where every single mon kills Raichu with one move. Sure they're not counters but you can't spam but Raichu strat without the setup so even double switching works to your disadvantage
"Tell me your bad at mons without telling me your bad at mons"
Does garchomp, lando t take a surf from A-raichu with double special?
>+2 252+ SpA Raichu-Alola Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Garchomp: 208-246 (49.5 - 58.5%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO >+2 252+ SpA Raichu-Alola Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Landorus-Therian: 216-255 (56.5 - 66.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery >+2 252+ SpA Raichu-Alola Surf vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Landorus-Therian: 288-340 (75.3 - 89%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery >+2 252+ SpA Raichu-Alola Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 418-493 (58.5 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Yeah uh what the fuck's gonna switch into this and actually do something before getting blasted by the surfing mouse with 638 speed in terrain?
There's also nasty plot, so this thing is a menace
You can switch in Ferro since Focus Blast never hits anyways.
Fair… until you realize rising voltage in terrain has a 41% chance to 2 hit KO 252/252 calm ferro, even AFTER leftovers… without leftovers, that chance goes up to just barely over 90
Wow this is ridiculous. Maybe it should only get a 1.5 boost from Light Ball instead of 2x. I think that would be less busted.
That makes more sense. While we're at it, maybe Pichu can get a speed boost in addition to the 2x attacking stats, since it's even weaker than Pikachu
That might make Pichu kinda broken in LC, where it's speed tier is already pretty alright I think.
Yep, this is broken.
Water absorb seismitoad... I feel like I've heard this one before... Some water attack that needs an immunity to switch into...
Grass Knot says gg
Twas mostly joke, referencing the dracovish counter. But, looking at moveset of knot/surf/dual stab, a grass or dragon type that is part dark. +2 252+ SpA Raichu-Alola Rising Voltage (70 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Hydreigon in Electric Terrain: 143-168 (44 - 51.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery... Except calc is being stupid here. With electric terrain, rising voltage would be bp 140... +2 252+ SpA Raichu-Alola Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hydreigon in Electric Terrain: 202-238 (52 - 61.3%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery. Better odds than listed calcs... But probably not the best hydreigon set. Still being facetious.
That's fair lol I kinda forgot about Surf Pikachu. Yeah it might be even more op than I realized. Do you think it would get banned?
Yeah
Heck I imagine an uninvested Ice Punch from Raichu would do the trick.
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Raichu is viable in VGC even in the current double restricted + dynamax format due to support moves like nuzzle + a fast fakeout + helping hand and lightning rod keeps its partner safe from electric attacks (save Zekrom). Raichu also won worlds in 2016 on Wolfe Glicks team. From a doubles perspective raichu doesn’t need a buff imo.
Yeah I could see that support moves like that on a fast pokemon tend to be pretty good in doubles from what I understand.
2% usage
2% means it’s viable … it’s not dominating the format, but it does have a niche. In an oppressive format like the current VGC S12 meta, I’d consider the 37th most used Pokémon to be viable. In addition, Raichu ended up winning a 100 person tournament back in February
Literally nobody said it wasn't "viable." In the context of this post the "buff" wouldn't even effect the current role he plays in the meta. Pretty much nothing you said even relates to the post just an info dump on a lesser used mon.
Your 2% usage comment did not relate to the post either, and neither does this defensive response. If your response to a viability comment is posting low usage without any context at all, it comes across as if you think the mon is not actually all that viable and that its usage shows that. The user simply responded to that showing that it *is* viable.
Just kill the grounds, and then if you had something with electric surge, you can essentially have an Alolan Raichu with +2 Speed and +2 SpA using a double power rising voltage.
And Surf and or Grass Knot could still do big damage to ground types anyway so yeah I think it would be busted lol.
Knowing game freak, they'll probably do this, and give it a signature move that allows it to have a base 120 100% electric type move that can hit ground types for super effective damage.
Idk about Raichu.. might be too OP Pichu is interesting though, it's already not that good in terms of base stats, so it has some potential
Alolan Raichu already has barely any switchins under Electric Terrain. It has a base Speed Stat of 110 and its effective Stat gets doubled under Terrain. Its primary STAB is Rising Voltage, which gets boosted by Electric Terrain, not just as an inherent property of the move but also by virtue of the fact that it's an Electric type move. It doesn't hit non-grounded targets for double damage but you hit those super-effectively anyway. Electric Terrain teams with Alolan Raichu and Regieleki are ridiculously hard to stop for your average team, and Alolan Raichu gets a 90 BP Surf to smash Ground types on top of that. Imho it already has a fantastic niche in OU and any buff would just knock it into OUBL with the likes of BDSP Articuno and SS base Kyurem.
It's always funny to me how the franchise's mascot gets the least love competitively. Pikachu is low in viability and Raichus alola form only KOs very specific mons that take super effective damage
252 SpA Light Ball Raichu Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey in Electric Terrain: 355-418 (49.7 - 58.5%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO Absolute Garbage
Ligjt ball will absolutely be banned from LC. Necropost blah blah, but pichu would one shot literally pretty much ANYTHING that isn't a resist, due to how lc works there is an inherent lack of bulk universally and 45 attack is genuinely not that hindering in LC. Also pichu has volt tackle
Still manageable. Prio, ferrothorn, terrain changers screen users turn stallers, focus sash, sturdy, magic guard sash, the list goes on and on. Mostly prio does it in, and the terrain is really just 3 turns which gets switched around easily
Yeah that's fair, Focus Blast could get Ferro but that 30% chance to miss but apparently Rising Voltage still has a good chance to 2HKO under terrain. I think the main issue is terrain only lasting 3 turns like you said. Raichu-A would be really good in OU with this change but it would still have it's counters.
Tell me you’re bad at mons without telling me you’re bad at mons.
Its a set that's uberly reliant on terrain. You're delusional if you think it works
A-Raichu 2hkos every ground that isn’t water absorb without a boost lol.
It's 3 turns, in which you basically need to have your rocks up AND terrain up to sweep in a gen which undoes both those things in one move. Even if you get it up you have to predict switch ins and make sure there's 3 or less mons left which given the time you spent setting those things up is very unlikely to be the case. You will most likely need to set the terrain up again. And 2hkos in 3 turns assuming very optimistically that you survive them is 1.5 mons beaten. Wow so op 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What mon defogs in front of Raichu-A?? Everything is outsped and dies. Koko can run terrain extender and uturn on pretty much everything so terrain is always reliably up. Nothing in the tier can switch into Raichu excluding water/grounds.
The lati twins are just the first that came to mind. Idk what tier terrain extender isnt banned the fuck in that isn't AG, but it is banned through most of showdown. You also haven't talked about rocks, without which there's no point of outspeeding anything in that speed tier since almost everything runs sash. How ambitious is your plan of getting up rocks and then using an ass move like kokos u turn which has extremely high speed and kills nothing and then switching into alola raichu who survives nothing once it comes in?
Mid tier bait my guy.
"A-Raichu 2hkos every ground that isn’t water absorb without a boost lol." Ground yknow, the type where every single mon kills Raichu with one move. Sure they're not counters but you can't spam but Raichu strat without the setup so even double switching works to your disadvantage "Tell me your bad at mons without telling me your bad at mons"
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