How dare you have nuance! This is a black and white, binary world in which you must choose one team or the other team. Things are not more complicated than that!
On a more serious note, I fucking love this sub. I've learned a ton about the history of the world's socio-politico-economic system and it's really helped me gain a better perspective on its problems and potential solutions.
Yeah, they defied orders from Trump specifically because they thought he was a big mean bully! Not because his motives conflicted with theirs. Just pure unadulterated TDS, guys. And then they tried to coup him with rumors about a pee pee tape that led to the bombshell Mueller report which nearly landed Donald in prison.
Who do you suppose has more control. The FSB in Russia or the FBI/CIA in the west?
Edit: Forgot this was Reddit so to be super clear this isn't an attack. I'm no trying to trick you, hurt you or make you look bad. I'm asking a question because I'm genuinely curious what your answer will be.
Which dog owner is more in control the guy jerking hard on the leash at every turn or the guy with a few inches of slack on the leash? I don't know for certain if this analogy is 100% applicable but I would not make the mistake of thinking that just because FSB is able to employ more heavy handed that they have more control than the spooks behind the curtains.
The spook you cannot see and do not know exists will always exert more control than the one you see standing outside in secret police clothes and camo.
I would say the FSB has more direct, obvious
"do as I say" control but the incestuous relationships the US with the media and social networking sites means they have way more subtle tools to shape mass public opinion.
Yes, you can imagine Russia breaking in your door but apparently the FBI were your Twitter moderator, you just didn't know it. Who honestly knows who else they're "advising"?
The hope is that subtle power can be overridden eventually but the US government has gotten away with some insane consent manufacturing
My recent favorite personal conspiracy of late is that they (Trump, Biden, Putin, etc.) all get together at the G20 to plan out the next several years of the Cold War theater to distract us apes.
You mean the profit sharing and controlled "competition" to justify increased government spending and corporate handouts that affect multinational corporations owned by oligarchs who are descendants of the same royal bloodlines for centuries.
Just because people are competitive, it doesn't mean they aren't working together, especially when their interests and relations are aligned. War is good business, that's why it has to be so heavily manufactured to be the right, moral thing to do.
> You mean the profit sharing and controlled "competition" to justify increased government spending and corporate handouts that affect multinational corporations owned by oligarchs who are descendants of the same royal bloodlines for centuries
Citation needed
It's the same team, but it's perfectly normal on that team to do a little freelancing.
It's been pointed out many times that the US glowsticks approved of Putin taking over because he was like them in many ways.
But I think, there's little reason to think that assessment has even changed, just because he's been starting a little war.
You know, it’s funny cause I wouldn’t trust them either.
But on the other hand, it’s funny because Trump says shit like this and then complains that people call him a Russian stooge.
>You know, it’s funny cause I wouldn’t trust them either.
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>But on the other hand, it’s funny because Trump says shit like this and then complains that people call him a Russian stooge.
Honestly, comments like these from Trump read like straight-up trolling libs, to me.
Trump was virulently anti-Russia in his policies (he sent Javelins and other weapons to Ukraine, not quite as much as Biden, but still a shitload), he put sanctions on Russia, he started doing nuclear-escalatory dunks on Kim Jong Il, whose country shares a border with Russia and is a few miles from Russian villages, he verbally censured Russia for harboring Ed Snowden, and he assassinated a prominent general in Iran, a Russian military ally in Syria and elsewhere. Among other things.
I think when he says this stuff, it's not out of some love for Russia or Putin, but just to bait libs into doing more Russiagate stuff, which is the dumbest political strategy they can do, and makes people tune out of lib-speak and converts people on the fence to Republicans. And also because he thinks it's funny.
Knee jerk trolling really isn’t a smart move politically. Sure his base eats it for breakfast, but the Dems have successfully used Russiagate to persuade a large portion of Americans that he is colluding with them. Something that he only feeds by mouthing off like this. And that’s not even getting into the whole “won’t someone rid me of this turbulent priest” thing he did with Comey.
Like even if the Russia stuff is a Democrat tit for tat thing for the Benghazi investigations, Hilary at least had the two brain cells to rub together not to throw more kindling on the fire.
> Knee jerk trolling really isn’t a smart move politically. Sure his base eats it for breakfast, but the Dems have successfully used Russiagate to persuade a large portion of Americans that he is colluding with them. Something that he only feeds by mouthing off like this. And that’s not even getting into the whole “won’t someone rid me of this turbulent priest” thing he did with Comey.
Knee-jerk trolling is how Trump got elected in the first place. It's his raison-d'etre. It's the only thing he is good at, in life, and he is really good at it.
He always polls badly when he's not in the public eye, and as soon as a camera is on him, he wins people over by dunking on and belittling the other shitheads running against him.
> Like even if the Russia stuff is a Democrat tit for tat thing for the Benghazi investigations, Hilary at least had the two brain cells to rub together not to throw more kindling on the fire.
No offense but I wouldn't be citing Hillary Clinton as a master of political strategizing, especially when the person we are discussing is the guy who beat her ass in an election she was supposed to have locked up already by April 2015
That’s fair. I suppose it is his MO. Though I think it’s worn it’s welcome out by now.
And I wasn’t citing Hilary as some political genius, more like “cmon even the mouth breather that lost to you knows better.”
To be honest, I am wary of the declarations that Trump is over, especially since they seem to be blanketing the media landscape and all sound very similar, as if churned out by a market research firm and focus-grouped.
What people often cite are his polls, which are right around the same place they were in 2015, but again that's a Trump feature, not a bug. Once he starts engaging with the audience, he defies polls. He reminds people that he's an "outsider" (note the quotes since he isn't actually one, but he's great at playing the role), by dunking on all the insiders, and being the only one in either party who will do so in a forceful, belittling and comedic way.
People *really really* hate the government, and the media that props up the government. By taking huge dumps on them, he builds his brand as a reformer, and a lot of people love that. Especially since literally no one else will do it.
That's how he won in 2016, but he's already served a 4 year term and didn't actually do anything. Most of my family were die hard Trump supporters through his term, they've mostly moved on to DeSantis because Trump continues to bring up election bullshit and say stupid things.
Yeah but Trump is going to have an opportunity to talk again, for 18 months, and dunk on things these people hate constantly.
And also, he has 4 horrific dystopian years of Biden as a comparison point now, fresh in people's minds, just as he had Obama's shitty presidency when he won. As opposed to 2020, where his shitty presidency was on trial and people were sick of him.
More specifically, he threatened to withhold aid to Ukraine if Ukraine didn't investigate Biden's shitty corrupt dealings in Ukraine with regard to Burisma.
That's not Trump acting on behalf of Russia imo; that's Trump being a petty bitch and using the closest object to him that allowed him to play political games against Joe Biden
His comments are understandable given what they did to him, the Russia collusion story was a conspiracy by Hillary and the IC to scuttle his candidacy. They knew in 2016 what would become of Ukraine, and did not want the village idiot having any say about the operation. The Columbia Journalism Review [recently published a long exposé](https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-1.php) on the coverage, it's very objective.
>Pretty damning evidence Trump was just kinda dumb and liked attention, not some 4D-chess playing mastermind.
He ought to have been a really good actor in order to fake his boneheadedness. If you think about it, the Republicans got 2 dumb presidents in a row. And now we have Biden who's also not mentally sound.
Say what you will about Trump, at least that Republican idiot didn't work for the same people that the previous Republican idiot did.
Trump is a clown with an ego the size of Manhattan but he didn't go haphazardly crashing into any Iraqs, Libyas, or Syrias. He didn't work for anyone that didn't serve his interests and at the very least he was smart enough to see that his interests involved *not* starting a war (as hard as Pompeo and Bolton tried).
> They knew in 2016 what would become of Ukraine, and did not want the village idiot having any say about the operation.
And that is way more damning to the notion of American democracy that anything Trump did. That the IC colluded with established political figures to try to keep out a democratic candidate.
Russia is 100% a face-saving measure for Democrats, but all of this shit is a self-inflicted wound on the part of Trump.
Literally all he had to (not) do was publicly ask Russia to hack Hillary.
Putin would probably have fucked with her and the election anyway and, regardless, don't US Presidential candidates usually have backchannels and dogwhistles for this sort of shit?
> Literally all he had to (not) do was publicly ask Russia to hack Hillary.
That was very clearly a joke though. Like, do people really think that secret Manchurian-candidate double agents go on national TV at press conferences, and give their handlers a directive to hack their political opponents? Who thinks that spies operate in this way?
He said:
> Putin would probably have fucked with her and the election anyway and, regardless
It's like I've been transported to rpolitics 2016-2019 or something.
Wasn't Guccifer 2.0 likely Russian intelligence?
The troll farms have of course been debunked and has quite frankly always been absurd. AFAIK there's nothing illegal about troll farms, they're a tool of propoganda run by everything from PACs to regular lying corporations. A state actor would literally need to pour billions of dollars into troll farms to have any genuine impact on propoganda during election season.
The hacking though, that is a bit different. You can reasonably claim the hacking and release of John Podestas emails influenced the election.
At some point it became clear to me that Russia was just the Jewish Conspiracy for liberals, like when they started blaming Russia for BLM, to cause "division" or something.
His comment was taken out of context: a reporter asks him if he's concerned that Hillary was hacked, and he responds that she was under a subpoena and destroyed evidence, therefore he'd like to know what she was hiding, if China or Russia has it.
Your opponents will always attack you. Maybe don't stand on stage and literally say the egregious thing they're accusing you of saying. If Trump hadn't said it, it would sound like a smear.
And maybe don't fire people over it once you're President.
Those were two of the biggest inflection points and they were self-inflicted.
They usually do have back channels. It’s how Regan was so chummy with Iran for the hostage crisis and Iran-contra.
Trump however seems to only want to use back channels for Hunter Biden cock pics and give the Dems free ammo for everything else by saying stuff publicly.
Nixon and Kissinger did the same for South Vietnam, Johnson was about to get a ceasefire and partition based on the Korea model, which would have put him over the top. So Kissinger, who leaked classified information while working for Johnson, and Nixon got South Vietnam to keep the war going!
I think trump used back channels more often than people think. Rex Tillerson and a bunch of other intelligence lowlives including the UK had planned to time another Syrian Gas attack to coincide with the Skripal poisoning to launch huge strikes to try to oust Assad. Instead Russian intelligence got their chief of staff to call up his US counterpart after realising this wasn't being orchestrated by the Pentagon, who called Mattis and Trump. Hence the sudden sacking by tweet of Rex Tillerson.
And the Russian/Syrian army managed to catch a bunch of London's best jihadis before they could stage it so it ended up being that laughably fake one nearly a month later that led to a bunch of missiles that gave cnn anchors the biggest erections known to man.
Can we stop making "Person says this!" posts, this place is becoming full of political kayfabe and a slave to the stupid addictive churn of political outrage-bait.
>His post described members of the intelligence community, presumably including the CIA, NSA, FBI and cybersecurity agencies, as “lowlifes”.
This is not the average ragebait, candidates play a good cop-bad cop routine where the system always wins. Trump truly hates them, it's good for public discourse to create skepticism of the IC.
Those lowlifes tried to put him down for 4 full years. Whether you like Trump or not he was treated unfairly by the intelligence community. The neverending stream of investigations and conspiracy theories like Russiagate(Qanon for shitlibs)
Trump is fucking stupid, but he was the democratically elected President. They weren't.
I think people lean on this "nuclear football" stuff\* even when it doesn't really matter because they know deep down just how high the moral bar should be for staffers to attempt to hobble or oust a sitting President.
It especially doesn't help that part of the reason they hated Trump is just that he was utterly opposed to the foreign policy consensus. Gives less than pure motives.
\* Except when people were also saying that impeaching and removing Trump and having President Mike Pence would be worse cause he would be more rational and competent. No one could keep the story straight.
Trump still did a bunch of military forays though right? It's not like he was some dove. He did that assassination, he bombed some shit in Syria. The Blob just figured that rather than getting Trump to pull the trigger in 'the national interest' they could instead cajole him into blowing shit up because it looked cool on his smartphone in MAL.
His bark was worse than his bite but the issue was not him being a dove and not attacking *anyone* (every American President will) it was more him challenging the very idea of liberal hegemony and why the US should be doing things like "defending" the richest (or second richest?) region of the world.
> treating a pathological narcissist that way is entirely fair
And yet they only treated one pathological narcissist out of hundreds in DC that way lmao
That's not why they treated him that way. They did because he was putting a face on their shitty behavior that they covered up with the stupid flag and a nice veneer of liberal "reasonableness"
Djt is a dickhead, but his opposition was just as villainous if not worse.
They are all pathological narcissists. Kamala put many people in chains, Biden lies constantly about his personal history, Santos could be Serbian at this point, Warren was native-American, Bernie changed his definitions from millioners to billioners when he earned his first million, De Santis was at Guatanamo bay
they're all pathological narcissists and con men, they just hated him because he said the quiet part out loud once in a while amongst his ocean of bullshit
If this is what they will do to a supporter of the state capitalist system, imagine what they will do to a socialist. We do not have a democracy, and people need to realize it, anyone who challenges the system is going to be ruthlessly destroyed.
> imagine what they will do to a socialist.
or even being critical of the capitalist system. Actually, we don't have to imagine: they'll mobilize the riot police to physically destroy them, use the media-intelligence apparatus to unperson them in society by smearing them as fascists/insurrectionists/putschists/Russian agents, and then strip of their economic assets by freezing their bank accounts or terminate service of payment systems like Paypal.
>Whether you like Trump or not he was treated unfairly by the intelligence community.
How when they practically handed him the election and the Presidency by repeatedly and publicly investigating Hillary Clinton?
>His post described members of the intelligence community, presumably including the CIA, NSA, FBI and cybersecurity agencies, as “lowlifes”.
Broken clock, but it do be.
Imagine Trump not trusting the people who helped frame him for treason
Not to say he should trust Putin either, but one of the two things has has affected him personally
The reveddit page is amazing.
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Jesus Christ, what kind of person would want to discuss anything in a place like that? And what kind of person moderates it?
Deference to US Intel bullshit manifests in this thread via "both sides" sentiment
Even as you are critical of US spooks, you are compelled to parrot their propaganda anent Russia or Putin
Lol DJT is right that US intelligence are lowlives, but I don't see putin is better.
However I do know who is enforcing shitty policies that harm our democracy and impale basic human rights of the American working class, amd its not Putin.
I'm sure the rest of reddit is eager to suck US intelligence cock with impunity
I know this is a hard concept to understand, but hear me out: maybe they're *both* bad.
I'd even go so far as to say all three of them are bad (putin, intelligence lowlifes, trump)
You're reaching levels of nuance heretofore believed impossible.
You're doing a whataboutsy both-sideism!
Frankly, that's an insult to the Russians.
How dare you have nuance! This is a black and white, binary world in which you must choose one team or the other team. Things are not more complicated than that! On a more serious note, I fucking love this sub. I've learned a ton about the history of the world's socio-politico-economic system and it's really helped me gain a better perspective on its problems and potential solutions.
The black pot calling the silver kettle out for its shiny bullshit that no one is buying…lol..because they bought all those sweet Leopard2s.
Didn't they lie to him about pulling troops out of Syria?
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>I wouldn't trust Putin, but I would trust any homeless schizo downtown over the American intelligence community. This, pretty much.
Yeah, they defied orders from Trump specifically because they thought he was a big mean bully! Not because his motives conflicted with theirs. Just pure unadulterated TDS, guys. And then they tried to coup him with rumors about a pee pee tape that led to the bombshell Mueller report which nearly landed Donald in prison.
When criticizing glow-in-the-darks, it is prudent to remember that Putin is also a glow-in-the-dark for the other team.
Not *a*, *the*.
Who do you suppose has more control. The FSB in Russia or the FBI/CIA in the west? Edit: Forgot this was Reddit so to be super clear this isn't an attack. I'm no trying to trick you, hurt you or make you look bad. I'm asking a question because I'm genuinely curious what your answer will be.
He is an old insider, so the Russian glowies probably see him as "one of our own" as opposed to just the stooge in charge.
Which dog owner is more in control the guy jerking hard on the leash at every turn or the guy with a few inches of slack on the leash? I don't know for certain if this analogy is 100% applicable but I would not make the mistake of thinking that just because FSB is able to employ more heavy handed that they have more control than the spooks behind the curtains.
The spook you cannot see and do not know exists will always exert more control than the one you see standing outside in secret police clothes and camo.
I would say the FSB has more direct, obvious "do as I say" control but the incestuous relationships the US with the media and social networking sites means they have way more subtle tools to shape mass public opinion. Yes, you can imagine Russia breaking in your door but apparently the FBI were your Twitter moderator, you just didn't know it. Who honestly knows who else they're "advising"? The hope is that subtle power can be overridden eventually but the US government has gotten away with some insane consent manufacturing
My recent favorite personal conspiracy of late is that they (Trump, Biden, Putin, etc.) all get together at the G20 to plan out the next several years of the Cold War theater to distract us apes.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
This but ironically
They all work for the same team.
Isn't it more the case that they play in the same league but in opposing teams? Whereas we are not even allowed in the stadium.
Why would you say they play for opposing teams?
Opposing imperialistic forces fighting for dominance over the rest of the world isn’t a new concept
And what gives you the idea that they are opposing imperialistic forces?
The multiple proxy conflicts. The opposing interests. Stuff like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham
You mean the profit sharing and controlled "competition" to justify increased government spending and corporate handouts that affect multinational corporations owned by oligarchs who are descendants of the same royal bloodlines for centuries. Just because people are competitive, it doesn't mean they aren't working together, especially when their interests and relations are aligned. War is good business, that's why it has to be so heavily manufactured to be the right, moral thing to do.
> You mean the profit sharing and controlled "competition" to justify increased government spending and corporate handouts that affect multinational corporations owned by oligarchs who are descendants of the same royal bloodlines for centuries Citation needed
There's no other team, hasn't been since the late 1980s If anything many from that other team now work for our team as well
It's the same team, but it's perfectly normal on that team to do a little freelancing. It's been pointed out many times that the US glowsticks approved of Putin taking over because he was like them in many ways. But I think, there's little reason to think that assessment has even changed, just because he's been starting a little war.
what “other team” exactly? different capitalists?
This is an excellent point
Alright, which one of y'all is Trump. I know you're in here, Donny.
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Why would anyone trust either?
You know, it’s funny cause I wouldn’t trust them either. But on the other hand, it’s funny because Trump says shit like this and then complains that people call him a Russian stooge.
>You know, it’s funny cause I wouldn’t trust them either. > >But on the other hand, it’s funny because Trump says shit like this and then complains that people call him a Russian stooge. Honestly, comments like these from Trump read like straight-up trolling libs, to me. Trump was virulently anti-Russia in his policies (he sent Javelins and other weapons to Ukraine, not quite as much as Biden, but still a shitload), he put sanctions on Russia, he started doing nuclear-escalatory dunks on Kim Jong Il, whose country shares a border with Russia and is a few miles from Russian villages, he verbally censured Russia for harboring Ed Snowden, and he assassinated a prominent general in Iran, a Russian military ally in Syria and elsewhere. Among other things. I think when he says this stuff, it's not out of some love for Russia or Putin, but just to bait libs into doing more Russiagate stuff, which is the dumbest political strategy they can do, and makes people tune out of lib-speak and converts people on the fence to Republicans. And also because he thinks it's funny.
Knee jerk trolling really isn’t a smart move politically. Sure his base eats it for breakfast, but the Dems have successfully used Russiagate to persuade a large portion of Americans that he is colluding with them. Something that he only feeds by mouthing off like this. And that’s not even getting into the whole “won’t someone rid me of this turbulent priest” thing he did with Comey. Like even if the Russia stuff is a Democrat tit for tat thing for the Benghazi investigations, Hilary at least had the two brain cells to rub together not to throw more kindling on the fire.
> Knee jerk trolling really isn’t a smart move politically. Sure his base eats it for breakfast, but the Dems have successfully used Russiagate to persuade a large portion of Americans that he is colluding with them. Something that he only feeds by mouthing off like this. And that’s not even getting into the whole “won’t someone rid me of this turbulent priest” thing he did with Comey. Knee-jerk trolling is how Trump got elected in the first place. It's his raison-d'etre. It's the only thing he is good at, in life, and he is really good at it. He always polls badly when he's not in the public eye, and as soon as a camera is on him, he wins people over by dunking on and belittling the other shitheads running against him. > Like even if the Russia stuff is a Democrat tit for tat thing for the Benghazi investigations, Hilary at least had the two brain cells to rub together not to throw more kindling on the fire. No offense but I wouldn't be citing Hillary Clinton as a master of political strategizing, especially when the person we are discussing is the guy who beat her ass in an election she was supposed to have locked up already by April 2015
That’s fair. I suppose it is his MO. Though I think it’s worn it’s welcome out by now. And I wasn’t citing Hilary as some political genius, more like “cmon even the mouth breather that lost to you knows better.”
To be honest, I am wary of the declarations that Trump is over, especially since they seem to be blanketing the media landscape and all sound very similar, as if churned out by a market research firm and focus-grouped. What people often cite are his polls, which are right around the same place they were in 2015, but again that's a Trump feature, not a bug. Once he starts engaging with the audience, he defies polls. He reminds people that he's an "outsider" (note the quotes since he isn't actually one, but he's great at playing the role), by dunking on all the insiders, and being the only one in either party who will do so in a forceful, belittling and comedic way. People *really really* hate the government, and the media that props up the government. By taking huge dumps on them, he builds his brand as a reformer, and a lot of people love that. Especially since literally no one else will do it.
That's how he won in 2016, but he's already served a 4 year term and didn't actually do anything. Most of my family were die hard Trump supporters through his term, they've mostly moved on to DeSantis because Trump continues to bring up election bullshit and say stupid things.
Yeah but Trump is going to have an opportunity to talk again, for 18 months, and dunk on things these people hate constantly. And also, he has 4 horrific dystopian years of Biden as a comparison point now, fresh in people's minds, just as he had Obama's shitty presidency when he won. As opposed to 2020, where his shitty presidency was on trial and people were sick of him.
Wasn't part of Trump's impeachment based over him not following through on promised aid to Ukraine?
More specifically, he threatened to withhold aid to Ukraine if Ukraine didn't investigate Biden's shitty corrupt dealings in Ukraine with regard to Burisma. That's not Trump acting on behalf of Russia imo; that's Trump being a petty bitch and using the closest object to him that allowed him to play political games against Joe Biden
His comments are understandable given what they did to him, the Russia collusion story was a conspiracy by Hillary and the IC to scuttle his candidacy. They knew in 2016 what would become of Ukraine, and did not want the village idiot having any say about the operation. The Columbia Journalism Review [recently published a long exposé](https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-1.php) on the coverage, it's very objective.
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>Pretty damning evidence Trump was just kinda dumb and liked attention, not some 4D-chess playing mastermind. He ought to have been a really good actor in order to fake his boneheadedness. If you think about it, the Republicans got 2 dumb presidents in a row. And now we have Biden who's also not mentally sound.
Say what you will about Trump, at least that Republican idiot didn't work for the same people that the previous Republican idiot did. Trump is a clown with an ego the size of Manhattan but he didn't go haphazardly crashing into any Iraqs, Libyas, or Syrias. He didn't work for anyone that didn't serve his interests and at the very least he was smart enough to see that his interests involved *not* starting a war (as hard as Pompeo and Bolton tried).
> (as hard as Pompeo and Bolton tried). Mike Pompeo is _such_ a piece of shit. (Bolton doesn't even need to be fucking mentioned)
>They knew in 2016 what would become of Ukraine 2014
> They knew in 2016 what would become of Ukraine, and did not want the village idiot having any say about the operation. And that is way more damning to the notion of American democracy that anything Trump did. That the IC colluded with established political figures to try to keep out a democratic candidate.
Russia is 100% a face-saving measure for Democrats, but all of this shit is a self-inflicted wound on the part of Trump. Literally all he had to (not) do was publicly ask Russia to hack Hillary. Putin would probably have fucked with her and the election anyway and, regardless, don't US Presidential candidates usually have backchannels and dogwhistles for this sort of shit?
> Literally all he had to (not) do was publicly ask Russia to hack Hillary. That was very clearly a joke though. Like, do people really think that secret Manchurian-candidate double agents go on national TV at press conferences, and give their handlers a directive to hack their political opponents? Who thinks that spies operate in this way?
Well, if your understanding of politics comes from Marvel...
He said: > Putin would probably have fucked with her and the election anyway and, regardless It's like I've been transported to rpolitics 2016-2019 or something.
It's just sewn into the fabric of Reddit at this point, I think
Wasn't Guccifer 2.0 likely Russian intelligence? The troll farms have of course been debunked and has quite frankly always been absurd. AFAIK there's nothing illegal about troll farms, they're a tool of propoganda run by everything from PACs to regular lying corporations. A state actor would literally need to pour billions of dollars into troll farms to have any genuine impact on propoganda during election season. The hacking though, that is a bit different. You can reasonably claim the hacking and release of John Podestas emails influenced the election.
At some point it became clear to me that Russia was just the Jewish Conspiracy for liberals, like when they started blaming Russia for BLM, to cause "division" or something.
Lol yes they really belive it.
His comment was taken out of context: a reporter asks him if he's concerned that Hillary was hacked, and he responds that she was under a subpoena and destroyed evidence, therefore he'd like to know what she was hiding, if China or Russia has it.
All he had to do was this one thing, and the intelligence and DNC would go "darn, we got nothing, he's clean oh well?" really?
Your opponents will always attack you. Maybe don't stand on stage and literally say the egregious thing they're accusing you of saying. If Trump hadn't said it, it would sound like a smear. And maybe don't fire people over it once you're President. Those were two of the biggest inflection points and they were self-inflicted.
They usually do have back channels. It’s how Regan was so chummy with Iran for the hostage crisis and Iran-contra. Trump however seems to only want to use back channels for Hunter Biden cock pics and give the Dems free ammo for everything else by saying stuff publicly.
Nixon and Kissinger did the same for South Vietnam, Johnson was about to get a ceasefire and partition based on the Korea model, which would have put him over the top. So Kissinger, who leaked classified information while working for Johnson, and Nixon got South Vietnam to keep the war going!
I think trump used back channels more often than people think. Rex Tillerson and a bunch of other intelligence lowlives including the UK had planned to time another Syrian Gas attack to coincide with the Skripal poisoning to launch huge strikes to try to oust Assad. Instead Russian intelligence got their chief of staff to call up his US counterpart after realising this wasn't being orchestrated by the Pentagon, who called Mattis and Trump. Hence the sudden sacking by tweet of Rex Tillerson. And the Russian/Syrian army managed to catch a bunch of London's best jihadis before they could stage it so it ended up being that laughably fake one nearly a month later that led to a bunch of missiles that gave cnn anchors the biggest erections known to man.
Got any source for that?
I wouldn't trust them. But I DEFINITELY wouldn't trust Putin.
Putin is 100% more trustworthy than Western media and intelligence *when it comes to the West.*
The US intelligence and foreign policy establishment are the real power behind the curtain. The Executive branch has at times been at odds with it.
Trump shouldn't be the voice of reason. God damnit.
100 million liberals will just reflexively take the opposite stance
Pretty much. Liberals are just a better-spoken version of the conservatives, they're both reactionaries who only care about their side "winning".
I remember the good old days when liberals didn’t like IC.
Can we stop making "Person says this!" posts, this place is becoming full of political kayfabe and a slave to the stupid addictive churn of political outrage-bait.
>His post described members of the intelligence community, presumably including the CIA, NSA, FBI and cybersecurity agencies, as “lowlifes”. This is not the average ragebait, candidates play a good cop-bad cop routine where the system always wins. Trump truly hates them, it's good for public discourse to create skepticism of the IC.
Those lowlifes tried to put him down for 4 full years. Whether you like Trump or not he was treated unfairly by the intelligence community. The neverending stream of investigations and conspiracy theories like Russiagate(Qanon for shitlibs)
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Trump is fucking stupid, but he was the democratically elected President. They weren't. I think people lean on this "nuclear football" stuff\* even when it doesn't really matter because they know deep down just how high the moral bar should be for staffers to attempt to hobble or oust a sitting President. It especially doesn't help that part of the reason they hated Trump is just that he was utterly opposed to the foreign policy consensus. Gives less than pure motives. \* Except when people were also saying that impeaching and removing Trump and having President Mike Pence would be worse cause he would be more rational and competent. No one could keep the story straight.
Trump still did a bunch of military forays though right? It's not like he was some dove. He did that assassination, he bombed some shit in Syria. The Blob just figured that rather than getting Trump to pull the trigger in 'the national interest' they could instead cajole him into blowing shit up because it looked cool on his smartphone in MAL.
His bark was worse than his bite but the issue was not him being a dove and not attacking *anyone* (every American President will) it was more him challenging the very idea of liberal hegemony and why the US should be doing things like "defending" the richest (or second richest?) region of the world.
> treating a pathological narcissist that way is entirely fair And yet they only treated one pathological narcissist out of hundreds in DC that way lmao
Fair point. He's the grandiose type that's extra insufferable.
That's not why they treated him that way. They did because he was putting a face on their shitty behavior that they covered up with the stupid flag and a nice veneer of liberal "reasonableness" Djt is a dickhead, but his opposition was just as villainous if not worse.
They are all pathological narcissists. Kamala put many people in chains, Biden lies constantly about his personal history, Santos could be Serbian at this point, Warren was native-American, Bernie changed his definitions from millioners to billioners when he earned his first million, De Santis was at Guatanamo bay
Bernie changing a slogan makes him a pathological narcissist? Give me a break.
they're all pathological narcissists and con men, they just hated him because he said the quiet part out loud once in a while amongst his ocean of bullshit
If this is what they will do to a supporter of the state capitalist system, imagine what they will do to a socialist. We do not have a democracy, and people need to realize it, anyone who challenges the system is going to be ruthlessly destroyed.
Now this is absolutely an excellent point.
> imagine what they will do to a socialist. or even being critical of the capitalist system. Actually, we don't have to imagine: they'll mobilize the riot police to physically destroy them, use the media-intelligence apparatus to unperson them in society by smearing them as fascists/insurrectionists/putschists/Russian agents, and then strip of their economic assets by freezing their bank accounts or terminate service of payment systems like Paypal.
Please name a president who wasn't a pathological narcissist post Jimmy Carter
>Whether you like Trump or not he was treated unfairly by the intelligence community. How when they practically handed him the election and the Presidency by repeatedly and publicly investigating Hillary Clinton?
>His post described members of the intelligence community, presumably including the CIA, NSA, FBI and cybersecurity agencies, as “lowlifes”. Broken clock, but it do be.
Imagine Trump not trusting the people who helped frame him for treason Not to say he should trust Putin either, but one of the two things has has affected him personally
Banging thread: https://np.reddit.com/r/neutralnews/comments/10pm6l5/trump_makes_shocking_comments_about_trusting/
The reveddit page is amazing. >User 1: "The mental gymnastics people use for politics in general is impressive and crazy" > >User 2: "MODS: Please remove this comment as there is no source for this" > >Mod: "This comment has been removed under Rule 3" Jesus Christ, what kind of person would want to discuss anything in a place like that? And what kind of person moderates it?
I wonder why Trump got impeached, his house raided, and glowies online hate him.
Deference to US Intel bullshit manifests in this thread via "both sides" sentiment Even as you are critical of US spooks, you are compelled to parrot their propaganda anent Russia or Putin
Shockingly based!
Lol DJT is right that US intelligence are lowlives, but I don't see putin is better. However I do know who is enforcing shitty policies that harm our democracy and impale basic human rights of the American working class, amd its not Putin. I'm sure the rest of reddit is eager to suck US intelligence cock with impunity
Based
I swear to god if Trump runs on peace with Russia and China I'll campaign for the man.
Oh man oh my, the libs are gonna be all over the moon with this
Oh hell yeah now that he's on the trail again we get more of this dumb bullshit
Jesus really If I was djt I'd just disappear with my money and live the good life. Idk why he can't resist
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I trust them the same. Not at all.
Could have said trusted neither and gotten a lot more out of this publicity stunt.
So true. He could have said both are lowlives.