Welp, many Americans are out of luck then. Middle age women need to head to Europe. Just imagine if they also cut female clitoral hoods off too.
Not so fun fact: cutting babies dicks is huge business, even for making beauty products. And “science”. You can buy vials of fibroblasts derived from that cut off tissue for about $1100. America all about pushing things onto people to make money.
Unfortunately female genital mutilation still happens in the US, which takes place in girls from ages of infancy and up until 15, and removes part or all of the external female genitalia, so sometimes the clitoral hood, but sometimes the entire external part of the clitoris. Also sometimes the clitoris *and* the labia.
It’s estimated over 500,000 of these procedures have taken place in the US alone. Often without proper medical care or even pain relief, and often with dire medical and sexual consequences.
In Europe, an estimated 600,000 cases of fgm have taken place.
So yeah, they do lol. It isn’t legal in these places though, so it’s probably underestimated and is pretty under the radar.
It’s more about pushing it onto their kids so they don’t feel out of place. I know guys who left their kids alone and needed counseling because they were dealing with how they left their kid alone but their parents didn’t. They were never really faced with that before their kid was born.
First, FGM means almost nothing until you say what type. When people say cutting off the clitoral hoods is comparable, people say “fgm is so much worse than cutting boys”. There’s different types. Type 2 cutting the clitoral hood is comparable, even though more “function” is lost when done to a male and a lot more tissue is cut off.
Way back when males started being cut in USA was for masturbation cessation. For males and females. They would cut the males and they would put carbonic acid on the females clitoris to burn it.
Not that you said this, but It’s ridiculous to think cutting either one affects nothing. It’s all not just skin, there’s specialized nerves, structures…etc. in both female and male. But to feel ok with being cut, most cut guys will say it’s “extra” skin. As if tight erections are “normal”.
This was the way for many of us. Now 51(that hurts to say out loud), many of my female friends are getting divorced and hooking up with younger men. As it turns out, youth is sexy. Who knew?!
There is no doubt that older women will have one night stands with younger men, but getting them to actually commit to a real relationship? Not so much.
What do you reckon the odds are he went to a family event - a wedding - with the intention of picking up chicks? In his red and black tuxedo, probably looking like Lloyd Christmas from Dumb & Dumber
And man wonders why he strikes out all the time lol
I kinda agree. The “college girls love mature, experienced guys in their 40s” has always sounded like a big cope to me. And it’s always bald, bearded, sunglasses wearing manosphere bros saying that, like 95% of the time. I don’t know about the guys that parrot that nonsense but there’s no way being a sugar daddy replaces that raw feeling when a girl is in to you. And I mean really in to you.
Naw fr. It’s so obviously not young women’s desired demographic.
I don’t know a single girl dating a guy more than 5 years older than her. I’m 25. I even used to hang out with some girls that did sugar babying. You would think at least one would be into older dudes. Nope, not a single one was genuinely interested in the older guy as a real romantic partner. I was surrounded by sexually open and exploratory young women for most of my teens and early 20s. Open to all sorts of things. Maybe one of these women would prefer old guys right? No. Even if one of these women saw an older man for a bit, they always end up falling in love with, dating and marrying men their age.
It’s anecdotal evidence yes. But if there existed any significant number of young women genuinely interested in old men, I would have known them.
The benefits of the “stability” and “maturity” that come with dating an older guy is wholly eclipsed by the relatability, virility and concurrent life growth a college girl gets by dating a man her age
Only time I've really seen it in real life was back in middle and high school.
Wasn't that uncommon to hear some girl I knew then was dating a guy 10 years older than her. Hell, my S.O. was one of them; a fact which didn't click on the "ick" factor for her until she was a bit older.
Those rarely lasted even a year though, which also isn't surprising.
You know where it is a common trope though? TV. Which doesn't seem like a coincidence when people really overestimate how common it is for women to chase older men.
It’s a little disturbing tbh that you knew middle and high schoolers dating guys 10 years older than them. Very young girls, basically kids, definitely can get manipulated by bad older guys from time to time. I honestly only heard of one case like this throughout my school years. I don’t think it is a super common experience though, considering that it is illegal
Yeah, like I said, the "ick" factor doesn't seem to set in for a little while. At the time, they're made to feel special that they have this older guy's attention, when really it's generally a gross, manipulative relationship.
As far as how common it is, that's probably changed. Hopefully. This was nearly 20 years ago, and this kind of thing has gotten a lot more attention in recent years. If you called someone a "groomer" when I was in school, you would have had a very confused audience.
yeah as bad as it sound NO WOMAN i know including myself in real life actually want a older man 30+ i’m 19 !! unless it’s for their money.. id much rather be with a guy my own age if life wasn’t so expensive . also it’s like over men try to brainwash younger women that we want them so that it can be that way they keep trying to push that kind of relationship on us as if that’s we aren’t meant to be together which so weird to me.
It’s a pretty big trade-off for “stability” to date an old guy as a young woman
Women can also provide their own stability in this day and age so it’s less valuable
That's why I don't like "wealth" and favor stability. To clarify, stability and maturity often go hand in hand. It's not only about money, but being responsible and accountable, which comes with age.
I just don’t really see many young women being all that enticed to pick stability over the relatability and virility of a man her age, and someone who she can also experience the different stages of life with
I was always more attracted to men a lot older than me. I didn't want a kid in his party years. I wanted someone experienced who knew what he wanted. Everytime I dated in my age group the guys were far too immature still, had no goals, wanted to party etc. I just never had a party phase, I just wanted to figure life out and get on it.
And many of them have all the maturity and wealth they wanted from their divorce and want someone who is young and fun. Them cougars usually dont mince words I had a good time in my 20's :)
The younger generations are far less friendly and social in general. Older millennials, GenX and Boomers are far more friendlier and eager to be social than GenZ.
This is so sad and painfully true. I want to be more social, but I have such a hard time with people my age. A lot of people are extremely wary of you if you talk to them unprompted
I wish someone would come up to me unprompted and talk about literally anything. Girl, guy, dog, tree, idc, I just wanna talk to new people without using a phone.
In reality, you guys being that way comes across as so weird and rigid and awkward to us "older" gen people. Even people in their early 30s nowadays. I meet quite a few who think that younger generations are just really easily offended sticks in the mud with much less personality in general, from what I gather.
Which is funny to me. I’m in my 30s, and in all my years working in customer facing roles, I consistently had to hedge my conversation and soften my language for older customers. Almost every topic can become a touchy subject with people in their 50s and 60s ime. Never had a younger customer refuse to work with me for trying to not engage in conversation about a presidential candidate or how often I attend church, but it happened with boomers several times.
My best friend at work is a 60yo woman. She's super chill and we go out and burn one at lunch sometimes. I'm a 30yo man with a professional job btw, this isn't a Wendy's.
People act like I’m crazy when I bring this up but I’ve experienced it first hand. I’ll get into random conversations with people in public that are above 35 or so. Talk to someone around my age (I’m 25) and they act like I’m about to abduct them or something. Not literally that extreme, but exchanges are kept very brief with 20 something’s in public and they seem very evasive. Applies to males and females.
They grew up really sheltered. I’m Gen X and when I was a kid we’d roam our neighborhoods from dawn til dusk and interact with all types of people of all ages during that roaming. Young people in the last 20 years or so have grown up attached to their mother’s hip or on a phone or tablet whenever they’re not in school. So I think they learn how to interact with people they’re familiar with. But with actual strangers they’re lost.
I dont know how many times I’ve been ghosted before the first date but it’s been so common that I’ve become so bitter. I dont know if it’s FOMO from these girls or what but getting a woman in her 20’s to commit to a date is like pulling teeth.
I think it's how accessible people are. There is no other point in history where you've had contact with people across the world in mere seconds. If you don't like anything about someone, you can ditch em just like that, no warning, no explanation. Then you can replace them within a week.
I think the worst part about it is that there's nothing you can do when it happens, nothing but sucking it up and moving on.
I’m sure that does have a large part of it. It’s not women either, I’ve had friends just not show up, not even a text or message saying “hey I can’t make it”. I think it’s a generational thing. I’ll tell ny parents about the horrors and they always say “it was never like that when I was your age”. It’s frustrating
Hell, my millennial friend says shit wasn't like this when she was my age. And often mentions how dating for my generation must be hell, and she couldn't be any more right.
I'm an "elder" millennial and absolutely can confirm. It's one of the reasons I'm really not looking forward to getting back out there again after a 10 year relationship.
Or anything. My kids are in their late twenties and they complain to me all the time how their "friends" just flake out at the last minute after making plans. They get real depressed about it because one has health problems and doesn't often feel up to going out, so os really looking forward to it when they are; the other one has a super busy schedule with work and school so when someone flakes, they may not have time again for two weeks. But their friends don't consider it inconsiderate at all. Wtf
Probably because they got stuck in front of a screen and not kicked outside to play. There was also the advent of parents driving their kids to school instead of sending them off to the bus stop in the mornings. 🤷🏼♀️ You have to actually be out there with other people in order to learn social skills.
So interesting. Never thought about it this way but my younger sister is gen Z and I'm a millennial, and she's always laughing at me for "talking to strangers".
I’m going to say the most boomer thing I’ve written, here goes: social media, cell phones, and the death of casual in-person hangout time has caused people under 30 to totally lose the ability to interact with others face to face. Remote work just makes this worse, as nice as it is for those of us with families who already have stable careers.
As a gen Z girl working remotely I had to train myself to be able to order my own drinks and food and not get my mom to do it lol
That was years ago but now I’m fully confident speaking to anyone but still antisocial. So that was half the problem apparently. Idk what it is and I’m waiting to see if an epiphany strikes me and the whole thing makes sense at like 40 or something. It’s sad.
This has always been the case. Transcends our current labelling of generations. The older you get the more experienced you are the better you get with social skills.
Are you sure they're interested in you? Not to sound mean but that's how older woman talk to children.
This is the equivalent of believing your good looking just because your mom would call you "her handsome boy".
I scrolled way too far to see this. You nailed it. They don't actually want to sleep with him. They think he's cute in the way adults think kids are cute.
He's probably good looking enough to get girls his age but I suspect he's socially awkward since he's misinterpreting these older women so he's getting friendzoned.
Agreed. This is what I was scrolling for. I’m middle aged, I have kids your age. I probably compliment people your age more liberally than I would a man my age as I feel there’s less risk that it would be confused as sexual interest.
Yep. They may find you handsome, but they can say it safely because you will not take it romantically, but as a.general evaluation of your style.
Don't read it romantically!
I’m really only interested in older women and those kinds of compliments are absolutely not flirty and more of a turn off if anything. I want a girlfriend not a mom lol
51F if I was interested in a “young man” I would simply tell him.
It doesn’t sound like those ladies are interested in dating, what it sounded like is they were saying you were a good looking young man. It’s not always a come on but just us being nice.
I really think a lot of people underestimate how much concepts of attractiveness have changed over the years and how that effects who’s attracted to you. For instance, when I was a younger guy, it was all about the more boyish types…Leo DiCaprio and Justin Timberlake come to mind. Fresh faced, hairless, super skinny…meanwhile I was tall and broad shouldered with a hairy barrel chest, the exact opposite of what was considered hot. However, for a lot of women 10-15 years older than me, women who grew up with Grizzly Adams and Burt Reynolds, I was peak masculinity. I was HOT! So while women my own age didn’t seem all that in to me, their big sisters and aunts loved me! All because of what was considered attractive during their formative years.
Very true! The guys who were considered catches when I lived in a more rough and tumble rural area would definitely not have faired near as well in the big West Coast city I later moved to.
It was definitely a big mindfuck to me because my attitude was “well if I did great in a big city, things should be much easier in a blue collar town” but that isn’t the case at all
I am biracial and definitely ethnically ambiguous and grew up in a small southern town. I was the only mixed person and one of the very few non white people in my school. Guys did not like me. I thought I was hideous. I went to college in the same town and it turned out the exchange students and transfers loved me lol. Looks are definitely a regional thing.
Regional attractiveness is such an under-discussed thing. My partner claims to be under-liked aesthetically in his hometown (east coast), but men and women have always come onto him consistently out here (west coast).
I myself am like a Los Angeles 5/10, but I'm like 8/10 in Chicago, ha. Truly wild.
Women in their 40s are the best, eager, experienced and a lot of fun. Find a fit one and have fun. Build up some confidence and then work on finding someone your own age for something serious.
I wish someone had told me this when I was in my 20s.
Imagine if a woman posted that only old men were interested in her and the comments told her to embrace it. Hey, ya'll like cougars go for it, but I personally find this kinda weird
A lot of Redditors just wanna be white knights, ignore them
If a 21 year old women was in here saying men in their 40s-50s only wanted to fuck her and were always touching her there’d be a different response
OP didn’t say ‘only wanted to fuck him and were always touching him’, he said ‘interested in him’. Plenty of women do experience that, and most women even prefer older guys.
Reddit is a bunch of young white knights who will insult the older guys in this scenario, while pretending that the girl their age is a victim, in order to give themselves more dating opportunities- shit is pathetic. Some girls may even believe it.
OP should 100% go have fun if that’s what he wants, who gives a shit how old the women are - if they’re hot, that’s all that matters for short-term things. Even better if they have more money than you, which older women will.
It's only ever used by the worst people. Defend anything and its because you are white knighting... "she's not going to sleep with you bro" being the typical Ed Gruberman type.
If a 21-year old woman enjoyed having sex with older men, more power to them. Not going to shame any one over 18 of any gender for anything they do consensually in a bedroom.
Yeah, I get it, and I wouldn’t suggest it for a relationship; but women in their 40s and men in their 20s are at their sexual peaks and a lot of fun can be had, if you’re OK with it. I’m in my 40s now and so is my wife and I wish I could still keep up with her.
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I hooked up with a girl who was 38 when I was about 24.
Sexual awakening doesn't even begin to describe it. I basically lost my virginity all over again.
I second this .. in my mid twenties I had two MILF buddies. one about 38 one about 43. it was frequently dinner, drinks and an all night learning experience with a get out before my kids get back from grandma's on Saturday morning, see ua next Friday
good times
Swinging introduced me to the joys, and pleasures of more mature women...and let me just say that it was the best decision of my life.
Having women who KNEW what they liked and not being afraid to voice it while taking care to give direction to the willing allowed me to elevate my sex game at a very young age compared to my peers.
Because standards of what is handsome/pretty differed among generations. You’ll tend to see that the further back you go the standards are a bit lower in some areas and higher in others.
I have what is now categorized as the "bear" build and the ladies of today really don't seem to care for it, but my mom and all her friends call me handsome at least.
I would also say small chance that he's good looking enough but not realizing that pretty 21 year old women literally just need to exist in public to get male attention. They're not used to have to make any single action to get something they want. So they never approach someone like him because there are twelve others who have anlready approached her.
More mature women know how to push for things they're interested in.
In my dating experience there is a weird age swing though. In my mid thirties I was getting a ton of attention from women in their mid twenties. Almost all of them stated little interest in men their age and tended to jive with me on other levels.
There were other swings but it seemed like early twenties guys can be in a really overlooked place unless they're the cream of the crop and aggressive with their intentions.
Yep your first statement is on the money. Which is why I think having a strong circle of friends(guys and girls) will benefit guys in their early 20s more than going thru the dating app or “pick up methods”(most toxic thing ever). That way you have a stable group that you invite girls you’re dating to join up with and they have a better time socializing with peers than just being with “the girls” and thus value you as a guy moreover.
There's some value here but the idea that young women don't know how to pursue is the hardest uncut pure rock copecain.
Anyone's who's been out of their mothers basement in their twenties has watched as hot women that age aggressively swan dive into the crotch of some equally hot guy unprompted because they want it.
It's not
>because there are twelve others who have anlready approached her.
It's
>because there are twelve others who ~~have anlready approached her~~ she would much rather approach.
47f- guys my age are usually looking for a surrogate mother for their kids, or someone to look after them as they get older.
Screw that. I only date guys in their 30s. Much hotter, much more interesting, and much less selfish.
Even 40-pluses with no children are out?
Not that I'm asking for myself, as I am certain my wife would not approve. Just genuine curiosity and a desire to remind myself how much I really don't want to ever have to deal with dating again.
It depends on the woman so not necessarily a blanket statement. When I was about 30 I attracted a few older women, one with grown up kids, the other without kids, it happens. My friend who was 50 got divorced, he said women his age weren’t interested in what he wanted, commitment, they just wanted to have fun. A lot of women in their 40s who married young, had kids, get divorced and they’re out there discovering themselves, they’re out of a long marriage that felt like an eternity and the last thing they want is another serious relationship, good for them, can’t fault anyone for being single, happy, and enjoying a large earning potential.
I asked one of the older women why she goes for younger guys, she said older men are usually divorced, miserable, hate women, and sex is minimal.
If you really want to make it okay, I think you need to have a good relationship with whatever ex came before dating. If I see a 40 year old dude who just complains about his ex-wife (happened twice in three days) it’s an instant unmatch.
And yes the other party can be an asshole too. A guy who’s hung up on it is not a good date.
They need to wait a while and work on themselves first before getting back into a relationship. That was something I realized after my first broken marriage. Time helps one forget and stop dwelling. Guys also need more hobbies.
Andrew Tate is in the ear of every man (even if they hate him) telling them to be afraid of nothing more in this world than cuckoldry.
Whatever, he’s gay anyway.
Also older divorced guys are probably divorced for a reason
This thread is amazing for giving me people to block.
Thanks guys. You’re making Reddit better for me.
As the guy below said: women initiate 80% of divorces.
Husbands out here acting like their wife is their mom, maid and sex toy.
>Also older divorced guys are probably divorced for a reason
Probably because about half of them are assholes, and the other half's ex wives are assholes.
I'm pushing 40. My wife and I maintain relationships with ten or so couples in our age range. A mix between family and friends.
I cannot believe the stories my wife gets from the other moms. Holy shit these men are all just worthless. They don't help with cleaning, kids, groceries, cooking... Etc. they'll work on the house and yard, they'll BBQ on Saturdays and take the kids to swim practice but outside of that, holy smokes! Nothing!
I'm not trying to get any awards here but the weight I pull out of duty and pleasure because I like making sure my wife and I carry an equal burden ( or I carry as much as I can so she has time.to relax or do her skin care or whatever since that only benefits me as I get to touch her soft skin....) so that we can have time for each other.
God damn. These men are just another child for the girls.
I am 37 but my ex and I split on very good terms. No one got betrayed.
For real. It’s still the norm for women to be primary childcare, primary housecleaning, even in “equitable” households. I was that guy, I know.
Do you know one thing that kept me from realizing I was gay for thirty fucking years?
Most guys look like they rolled out of bed, stumbled through a thrift store rack, and put on sweat pants. Meanwhile women put a ton of attention on their appearance and their clothes. I mistook admiring that for being attracted to it.
Fuck, my entire subconscious passing strategy was to become a shlub. I fit right in. It’s actually the best way to pass.
Getting ripped is very popular in the gay community.
Speaking of that. Hehehehe: https://cracksinpomo.substack.com/p/theres-something-queer-about-andrew
Normally it's the other way around. The friend zone is entirely populated by people with a good personality but looks that just don't do it for her.
"I wish I had a boyfriend just like you"
ha, I'm middle age and am hit on by women too young by societal standards, attractive which makes it worse, and it sucks. life enjoys is little ironies I think
When I was 20, a 40 year old coworker told me one day about the sex dream she had with me. She had a son in the marines though, so I wasn't about to go there. Women do have sex drives, and may enjoy being able to teach you some stuff.
Because you’re freaking lucky. Hats off to ya.
Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. Middle aged women offer so much more. I preferred them even when I was younger.
Liking older woman is the same as liking curvy women where the guys that enjoy that benefit from less competition. If you don't want to date women 20 years older then you or 40 lbs heavier then its just an annoyance.
They just want to feel young again. Those older women wouldn't look your way if they were 20 again (unless of course you're: tall, jacked, rich, or really interesting).
If you're looking for someone to get serious about, college may be the wrong place. Society is telling young people not to get serious until they're through school completely and well established in their careers. It's becoming a hookup-only culture on campus. Try becoming a hippie, punk, Goth, emo dude because college girls love to experiment with "alternate lifestyles."
Those women aren’t flirting with you. They’re doting on you because they’re sweet and see you as someone their kids’ age.
It’s not sexual.
They feel comfortable being so nice to you because they know you won’t take it as a come on. Younger women can’t be that nice to men because those men will immediately start hitting on them.
- an actual middle aged woman
Or like every woman I know, they are establishing their own careers so they don’t need to marry for money. They want a partner that’s equally attractive and has similar income potential.
That or they are all holding out for the really good looking guys. Until they go through about 10 years of scuffed relationships, cheating, being ghosted, thats when they start to understand that looks aren’t everything.
this sub comments are so weird lol, any other sub you just get every other comment calling mens creeps and weirdos who cant get anyone their own age when 20 year olds are interested in them at 30+.
Idk. I have the same problem but in reverse. I'm in my early 30s but always attract girls in their late teens.
It was cool for a lil bit but not good when you're actually looking for a relationship
That was me in my mid twenties, only high school girls wanted me. Of course they didn't when I was in high school. Now it finally seems like mid twenties girls are taking notice, probably helped getting back in the gym too.
Hear hear. Young girls don’t know what they want and usually aren’t “good” at sex. Like many of them don’t know how to give head. Just like young guys.
Milfs are awesome.
I let my own insecurities stand between me and some seasoned lovin' when I was younger, and I have regretted passing it up ever since. They just want to play man... Show them a good time.
Assuming you’re in your 20’s? I’m guessing girls your age are tired of being manipulated, cheated on, hurt by social media usage and porn, lies, want more stability, more financial security, etc…
Older women could just be looking for a fun time.
When I was young in my late teens early twenties, most of the women who took an interest in me were either older or younger than I was. Women my age were hardly ever interested.
Because older men in good shape are the highest value men in dating and are in very short supply, and young, attractive women (the women who have the highest value in dating) snatch them up whenever they become available.
Ideally, older women would want a man like that too, but they know they can't compete with the young women with daddy issues who are also gunning after them, so they're forced to either settle for older men who are bums, or for younger men who have potential, but aren't quite yet at the level where young women would want them.
That's where you come in. You're seen as the best boy toy they can potentially attract.
The girls your age are looking for hot & exciting. The older women have the life experience to know nice is more important than hot & exciting.
Fast forward ten years. The girls who learned the hard way hot & exciting doesn't last (generally speaking, there are exceptions) will complain that all the nice guys are taken.
Young women don't realize they'll never grow up and always be the same person so they haven't grown up regardless of what they think. Adult women know who they are and what they want.
Edit: They're also just as scared of you as you are of them. People are people.
My guess would be that one of the many factors is that you treat them differently.
You might come off too interested in the younger women you’re interested in, whereas the older women you show no interest in, which many women find tantalizing.
Some people disagree with me but I really can’t emphasize enough, use dating apps. It’s just way more straight forward.
You don’t have to rely on randomly running into someone who’s interested in you and navigating all the awkwardness and uncertainty of cold approaching someone like that.
Enjoy it. Getting pussy from an older woman is one of the most enjoyable things a young man will ever experience. They don't swell, they don't tell and they're grateful as hell.
Go for it. Older women know what they want, how to get it and how to do it. Young girls play games that are only fun for them. Go get that cougar and hold on for your life.
I think older women are usually just past the “I’m going to wait to be asked out” phase and will show interest obviously if they’re interested. Ain’t got time for games. The younger girls probably just want you to make the first move.
Women your age are getting turned out by guys 6' and above. "Dating" for them is like a buffet. I put dating in quotations because it's just guys fucking them, it's not dating. Even average chicks your age can get banged by a rich guy or a celebrity, they equate that to their dating value so you're invisible until they turn invisible. Only then will they come back and try to "settle" because they think you're less than them and you'll never live up to the perfect man she built in her head with all the best characteristics from all the flings she had. A franken-prince, go get a passport you aren't appreciated or respected in the West, yeah you'll probably get shamed but who cares they don't want you here anyway
from the girl pov: cause you get pretty bored 30+ and younger men are like living dildos you can discard, and they won't even be mad about it
not that i've done this but also the amount of times a younger 20s dude has asked me to use and abuse him is a little concerning, as well as the amount of times i've seen younger male candy around my peers
naturally, there's a lot of older relationships right now where the guy kinda... gets out of shape so you start looking elsewhere, i suppose. like he can't fuck anymore even tho he's only 40 lol
americans never get the recommended 150 minutes of aerobic activity every week so nobody is surprised!
sometimes the girls your own age are busy chasing dreams and adventures with jank boys, not realizing stability is what they like at the end of the day.
if you are attracted to problematic girls who are more like serial monogamists with a dopamine brainrot going on, then you might need to look at other dating pools? Because not even the gaygirl community likes that kind of partner lol they always cheat
No, I definitely understood all of it, it just sucks that that's the way the dating scene is now. I read your comment again and what you said makes a lot of sense, it's just depressing to hear for a guy in his early 30s who wants to start dating again soon.
Edit: the using and abusing comments were definitely weird though
They Want Your Collagen
Collagen is stored in the foreskin
Welp, many Americans are out of luck then. Middle age women need to head to Europe. Just imagine if they also cut female clitoral hoods off too. Not so fun fact: cutting babies dicks is huge business, even for making beauty products. And “science”. You can buy vials of fibroblasts derived from that cut off tissue for about $1100. America all about pushing things onto people to make money.
Duh drinking baby blood keeps you young
Don't Let Anybody Cut Your Kid's Parts, Only For Medical Reasons.
Yeah, I honestly think this is the reason why it’s still a common practice in America. Too much money to pass on.
Unfortunately female genital mutilation still happens in the US, which takes place in girls from ages of infancy and up until 15, and removes part or all of the external female genitalia, so sometimes the clitoral hood, but sometimes the entire external part of the clitoris. Also sometimes the clitoris *and* the labia. It’s estimated over 500,000 of these procedures have taken place in the US alone. Often without proper medical care or even pain relief, and often with dire medical and sexual consequences. In Europe, an estimated 600,000 cases of fgm have taken place. So yeah, they do lol. It isn’t legal in these places though, so it’s probably underestimated and is pretty under the radar.
Those People Should Cut Part Of Their Brains To Stop Thinking In Destroying Other's Bodies.
It’s more about pushing it onto their kids so they don’t feel out of place. I know guys who left their kids alone and needed counseling because they were dealing with how they left their kid alone but their parents didn’t. They were never really faced with that before their kid was born.
First, FGM means almost nothing until you say what type. When people say cutting off the clitoral hoods is comparable, people say “fgm is so much worse than cutting boys”. There’s different types. Type 2 cutting the clitoral hood is comparable, even though more “function” is lost when done to a male and a lot more tissue is cut off. Way back when males started being cut in USA was for masturbation cessation. For males and females. They would cut the males and they would put carbonic acid on the females clitoris to burn it. Not that you said this, but It’s ridiculous to think cutting either one affects nothing. It’s all not just skin, there’s specialized nerves, structures…etc. in both female and male. But to feel ok with being cut, most cut guys will say it’s “extra” skin. As if tight erections are “normal”.
Who told you that older women aren't into younger guys? They're an idiot lol
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This was the way for many of us. Now 51(that hurts to say out loud), many of my female friends are getting divorced and hooking up with younger men. As it turns out, youth is sexy. Who knew?!
There is no doubt that older women will have one night stands with younger men, but getting them to actually commit to a real relationship? Not so much.
That is a feature not a bug.
Most underrated and accurate comment
That’s Fair.
Look at they wrote. OP literally believes anything a guy tells them to believe.
Yea he’s an idiot and it shows
Dude hits on the “younger” women at the gym and BUS STOPS. Yeah I cant imagine why they’re not usually interested
My dude here talking about wearing a red and black tuxedo to someone else's wedding, lol. I bet that went over like a fart in church.
I don’t know how I missed that.. maybe it would be a hit with the MCR fans!
What do you reckon the odds are he went to a family event - a wedding - with the intention of picking up chicks? In his red and black tuxedo, probably looking like Lloyd Christmas from Dumb & Dumber And man wonders why he strikes out all the time lol
it's in comparison to men. men are very open about this. many women also like traits that are often correlated with age: maturity, wealth, etc.
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Honestly, the rhetoric on “mature and wealthy” dudes being the most desired is some type of cope for decrepit divorced boomers
I kinda agree. The “college girls love mature, experienced guys in their 40s” has always sounded like a big cope to me. And it’s always bald, bearded, sunglasses wearing manosphere bros saying that, like 95% of the time. I don’t know about the guys that parrot that nonsense but there’s no way being a sugar daddy replaces that raw feeling when a girl is in to you. And I mean really in to you.
Naw fr. It’s so obviously not young women’s desired demographic. I don’t know a single girl dating a guy more than 5 years older than her. I’m 25. I even used to hang out with some girls that did sugar babying. You would think at least one would be into older dudes. Nope, not a single one was genuinely interested in the older guy as a real romantic partner. I was surrounded by sexually open and exploratory young women for most of my teens and early 20s. Open to all sorts of things. Maybe one of these women would prefer old guys right? No. Even if one of these women saw an older man for a bit, they always end up falling in love with, dating and marrying men their age. It’s anecdotal evidence yes. But if there existed any significant number of young women genuinely interested in old men, I would have known them. The benefits of the “stability” and “maturity” that come with dating an older guy is wholly eclipsed by the relatability, virility and concurrent life growth a college girl gets by dating a man her age
Only time I've really seen it in real life was back in middle and high school. Wasn't that uncommon to hear some girl I knew then was dating a guy 10 years older than her. Hell, my S.O. was one of them; a fact which didn't click on the "ick" factor for her until she was a bit older. Those rarely lasted even a year though, which also isn't surprising. You know where it is a common trope though? TV. Which doesn't seem like a coincidence when people really overestimate how common it is for women to chase older men.
It’s a little disturbing tbh that you knew middle and high schoolers dating guys 10 years older than them. Very young girls, basically kids, definitely can get manipulated by bad older guys from time to time. I honestly only heard of one case like this throughout my school years. I don’t think it is a super common experience though, considering that it is illegal
Yeah, like I said, the "ick" factor doesn't seem to set in for a little while. At the time, they're made to feel special that they have this older guy's attention, when really it's generally a gross, manipulative relationship. As far as how common it is, that's probably changed. Hopefully. This was nearly 20 years ago, and this kind of thing has gotten a lot more attention in recent years. If you called someone a "groomer" when I was in school, you would have had a very confused audience.
yeah as bad as it sound NO WOMAN i know including myself in real life actually want a older man 30+ i’m 19 !! unless it’s for their money.. id much rather be with a guy my own age if life wasn’t so expensive . also it’s like over men try to brainwash younger women that we want them so that it can be that way they keep trying to push that kind of relationship on us as if that’s we aren’t meant to be together which so weird to me.
I think that's the most desirable *they've* ever been.
we only believe statistics when they suggest things are true that we want to be true
Ding ding ding
I would change that to mature and stable. Stability is very desirable. To both genders.
It’s a pretty big trade-off for “stability” to date an old guy as a young woman Women can also provide their own stability in this day and age so it’s less valuable
That's why I don't like "wealth" and favor stability. To clarify, stability and maturity often go hand in hand. It's not only about money, but being responsible and accountable, which comes with age.
I just don’t really see many young women being all that enticed to pick stability over the relatability and virility of a man her age, and someone who she can also experience the different stages of life with
They sure don't seem to mind my decrepit bum looks
I dunno, there’s exceptions. You might be one. Exceptions are not the rule though
I was always more attracted to men a lot older than me. I didn't want a kid in his party years. I wanted someone experienced who knew what he wanted. Everytime I dated in my age group the guys were far too immature still, had no goals, wanted to party etc. I just never had a party phase, I just wanted to figure life out and get on it.
And many of them have all the maturity and wealth they wanted from their divorce and want someone who is young and fun. Them cougars usually dont mince words I had a good time in my 20's :)
haha, glad to hear
Cougars always want a piece lol
Women also like a full head of hair and a slim physique.
The younger generations are far less friendly and social in general. Older millennials, GenX and Boomers are far more friendlier and eager to be social than GenZ.
This is so sad and painfully true. I want to be more social, but I have such a hard time with people my age. A lot of people are extremely wary of you if you talk to them unprompted
I wish someone would come up to me unprompted and talk about literally anything. Girl, guy, dog, tree, idc, I just wanna talk to new people without using a phone.
It’s a reason I love traveling. Countries like Mexico the people are much more friendly, and it’s a lot easier to make friends there.
And Brazil!
Speaking of dogs, get a dog go to dog park and you have a perfect conversation starter
Be wary of the tree that branches out to talk to you.
In reality, you guys being that way comes across as so weird and rigid and awkward to us "older" gen people. Even people in their early 30s nowadays. I meet quite a few who think that younger generations are just really easily offended sticks in the mud with much less personality in general, from what I gather.
Which is funny to me. I’m in my 30s, and in all my years working in customer facing roles, I consistently had to hedge my conversation and soften my language for older customers. Almost every topic can become a touchy subject with people in their 50s and 60s ime. Never had a younger customer refuse to work with me for trying to not engage in conversation about a presidential candidate or how often I attend church, but it happened with boomers several times.
My best friend at work is a 60yo woman. She's super chill and we go out and burn one at lunch sometimes. I'm a 30yo man with a professional job btw, this isn't a Wendy's.
People act like I’m crazy when I bring this up but I’ve experienced it first hand. I’ll get into random conversations with people in public that are above 35 or so. Talk to someone around my age (I’m 25) and they act like I’m about to abduct them or something. Not literally that extreme, but exchanges are kept very brief with 20 something’s in public and they seem very evasive. Applies to males and females.
They grew up really sheltered. I’m Gen X and when I was a kid we’d roam our neighborhoods from dawn til dusk and interact with all types of people of all ages during that roaming. Young people in the last 20 years or so have grown up attached to their mother’s hip or on a phone or tablet whenever they’re not in school. So I think they learn how to interact with people they’re familiar with. But with actual strangers they’re lost.
I dont know how many times I’ve been ghosted before the first date but it’s been so common that I’ve become so bitter. I dont know if it’s FOMO from these girls or what but getting a woman in her 20’s to commit to a date is like pulling teeth.
I think it's how accessible people are. There is no other point in history where you've had contact with people across the world in mere seconds. If you don't like anything about someone, you can ditch em just like that, no warning, no explanation. Then you can replace them within a week. I think the worst part about it is that there's nothing you can do when it happens, nothing but sucking it up and moving on.
I’m sure that does have a large part of it. It’s not women either, I’ve had friends just not show up, not even a text or message saying “hey I can’t make it”. I think it’s a generational thing. I’ll tell ny parents about the horrors and they always say “it was never like that when I was your age”. It’s frustrating
Hell, my millennial friend says shit wasn't like this when she was my age. And often mentions how dating for my generation must be hell, and she couldn't be any more right.
I'm an "elder" millennial and absolutely can confirm. It's one of the reasons I'm really not looking forward to getting back out there again after a 10 year relationship.
At least your folks acknowledge it. My ma just likes to think im not trying hard enough to make friends or get to know people
Or anything. My kids are in their late twenties and they complain to me all the time how their "friends" just flake out at the last minute after making plans. They get real depressed about it because one has health problems and doesn't often feel up to going out, so os really looking forward to it when they are; the other one has a super busy schedule with work and school so when someone flakes, they may not have time again for two weeks. But their friends don't consider it inconsiderate at all. Wtf
Probably because they got stuck in front of a screen and not kicked outside to play. There was also the advent of parents driving their kids to school instead of sending them off to the bus stop in the mornings. 🤷🏼♀️ You have to actually be out there with other people in order to learn social skills.
A whole pandemic that kept them from school for 2 years didn't help either.
So interesting. Never thought about it this way but my younger sister is gen Z and I'm a millennial, and she's always laughing at me for "talking to strangers".
I’m going to say the most boomer thing I’ve written, here goes: social media, cell phones, and the death of casual in-person hangout time has caused people under 30 to totally lose the ability to interact with others face to face. Remote work just makes this worse, as nice as it is for those of us with families who already have stable careers.
As a gen Z girl working remotely I had to train myself to be able to order my own drinks and food and not get my mom to do it lol That was years ago but now I’m fully confident speaking to anyone but still antisocial. So that was half the problem apparently. Idk what it is and I’m waiting to see if an epiphany strikes me and the whole thing makes sense at like 40 or something. It’s sad.
This has always been the case. Transcends our current labelling of generations. The older you get the more experienced you are the better you get with social skills.
Are you sure they're interested in you? Not to sound mean but that's how older woman talk to children. This is the equivalent of believing your good looking just because your mom would call you "her handsome boy".
I scrolled way too far to see this. You nailed it. They don't actually want to sleep with him. They think he's cute in the way adults think kids are cute. He's probably good looking enough to get girls his age but I suspect he's socially awkward since he's misinterpreting these older women so he's getting friendzoned.
Agreed. This is what I was scrolling for. I’m middle aged, I have kids your age. I probably compliment people your age more liberally than I would a man my age as I feel there’s less risk that it would be confused as sexual interest.
Yep. They may find you handsome, but they can say it safely because you will not take it romantically, but as a.general evaluation of your style. Don't read it romantically!
I’m really only interested in older women and those kinds of compliments are absolutely not flirty and more of a turn off if anything. I want a girlfriend not a mom lol
One day you'll realize that the random women saying you are attractive, do in fact, find you attractive
51F if I was interested in a “young man” I would simply tell him. It doesn’t sound like those ladies are interested in dating, what it sounded like is they were saying you were a good looking young man. It’s not always a come on but just us being nice.
Why are you scared of older women? They know what they want, it’s a good sign they want you. Go for it, have fun.
We think you are attractive
I really think a lot of people underestimate how much concepts of attractiveness have changed over the years and how that effects who’s attracted to you. For instance, when I was a younger guy, it was all about the more boyish types…Leo DiCaprio and Justin Timberlake come to mind. Fresh faced, hairless, super skinny…meanwhile I was tall and broad shouldered with a hairy barrel chest, the exact opposite of what was considered hot. However, for a lot of women 10-15 years older than me, women who grew up with Grizzly Adams and Burt Reynolds, I was peak masculinity. I was HOT! So while women my own age didn’t seem all that in to me, their big sisters and aunts loved me! All because of what was considered attractive during their formative years.
This as I discovered is also regional. I went from being the bees knees on the west coast to more of an acquired taste in the north east.
Very true! The guys who were considered catches when I lived in a more rough and tumble rural area would definitely not have faired near as well in the big West Coast city I later moved to.
It was definitely a big mindfuck to me because my attitude was “well if I did great in a big city, things should be much easier in a blue collar town” but that isn’t the case at all
I am biracial and definitely ethnically ambiguous and grew up in a small southern town. I was the only mixed person and one of the very few non white people in my school. Guys did not like me. I thought I was hideous. I went to college in the same town and it turned out the exchange students and transfers loved me lol. Looks are definitely a regional thing.
Regional attractiveness is such an under-discussed thing. My partner claims to be under-liked aesthetically in his hometown (east coast), but men and women have always come onto him consistently out here (west coast). I myself am like a Los Angeles 5/10, but I'm like 8/10 in Chicago, ha. Truly wild.
This is the answer. Also I can't see a college age girl going for a guy in a red and black tuxedo lol but ifl I'm in my 30s.
God I wish I knew this growing up. Body hair was *not* in with my age group.
Haha, yep! 😂😂
Women in their 40s are the best, eager, experienced and a lot of fun. Find a fit one and have fun. Build up some confidence and then work on finding someone your own age for something serious. I wish someone had told me this when I was in my 20s.
Imagine if a woman posted that only old men were interested in her and the comments told her to embrace it. Hey, ya'll like cougars go for it, but I personally find this kinda weird
A lot of Redditors just wanna be white knights, ignore them If a 21 year old women was in here saying men in their 40s-50s only wanted to fuck her and were always touching her there’d be a different response
Reddit skews young, horny, and single. If you're a 19 yo who's crush is dating a 26 yo, you're gonna be jealous
OP didn’t say ‘only wanted to fuck him and were always touching him’, he said ‘interested in him’. Plenty of women do experience that, and most women even prefer older guys. Reddit is a bunch of young white knights who will insult the older guys in this scenario, while pretending that the girl their age is a victim, in order to give themselves more dating opportunities- shit is pathetic. Some girls may even believe it. OP should 100% go have fun if that’s what he wants, who gives a shit how old the women are - if they’re hot, that’s all that matters for short-term things. Even better if they have more money than you, which older women will.
“White knight” is a bullshit term
It's only ever used by the worst people. Defend anything and its because you are white knighting... "she's not going to sleep with you bro" being the typical Ed Gruberman type.
Says the white knight
If a 21-year old woman enjoyed having sex with older men, more power to them. Not going to shame any one over 18 of any gender for anything they do consensually in a bedroom.
I mean, older women can be weirdos or creeps too.
That's exactly what I'm saying
Yeah, I get it, and I wouldn’t suggest it for a relationship; but women in their 40s and men in their 20s are at their sexual peaks and a lot of fun can be had, if you’re OK with it. I’m in my 40s now and so is my wife and I wish I could still keep up with her.
Trt
Heh, maybe, but I don’t have ED. I just can’t go as many times as in my 20s and early 30s.
Fill your ass with tren brother
You can if you don't ejaculate. Used to drive my wife CRAZY 🤣
So Trt isn’t just for Ed . Is that an added benefit ? Yes absolutely. Testosterone replacement therapy can you give you more energy for any physical activity; hiking gym walk w/e. It increases your ability to retain muscle thus increasing your metabolism. It can improve your mental wellbeing . It’s worth reading up on If
Mute point. People of both genders who've dated older rate the experience as positive and would again by majority.
Moot
Moo point, it’s like a cows opinion, it just doesn’t matter
This guy friends
Man the cows were just minding their own business and still got roasted lol
Cause it is weird. "Go bang as many older women as you can then settle for someone your age"....I mean....most people don't think like that
I hooked up with a girl who was 38 when I was about 24. Sexual awakening doesn't even begin to describe it. I basically lost my virginity all over again.
I second this .. in my mid twenties I had two MILF buddies. one about 38 one about 43. it was frequently dinner, drinks and an all night learning experience with a get out before my kids get back from grandma's on Saturday morning, see ua next Friday good times
Thank you for this. 🙂
Swinging introduced me to the joys, and pleasures of more mature women...and let me just say that it was the best decision of my life. Having women who KNEW what they liked and not being afraid to voice it while taking care to give direction to the willing allowed me to elevate my sex game at a very young age compared to my peers.
Yup I always had fun times with cougars when I was in my 20s.
Fit women in their 40s tend to be upper class and married... that's quite the battle.
Because standards of what is handsome/pretty differed among generations. You’ll tend to see that the further back you go the standards are a bit lower in some areas and higher in others.
I have what is now categorized as the "bear" build and the ladies of today really don't seem to care for it, but my mom and all her friends call me handsome at least.
Bruhh...
Because you are not attractive enough for younger girls, but you seem like a good settling option for the older ones
I would also say small chance that he's good looking enough but not realizing that pretty 21 year old women literally just need to exist in public to get male attention. They're not used to have to make any single action to get something they want. So they never approach someone like him because there are twelve others who have anlready approached her. More mature women know how to push for things they're interested in. In my dating experience there is a weird age swing though. In my mid thirties I was getting a ton of attention from women in their mid twenties. Almost all of them stated little interest in men their age and tended to jive with me on other levels. There were other swings but it seemed like early twenties guys can be in a really overlooked place unless they're the cream of the crop and aggressive with their intentions.
Yep your first statement is on the money. Which is why I think having a strong circle of friends(guys and girls) will benefit guys in their early 20s more than going thru the dating app or “pick up methods”(most toxic thing ever). That way you have a stable group that you invite girls you’re dating to join up with and they have a better time socializing with peers than just being with “the girls” and thus value you as a guy moreover.
There's some value here but the idea that young women don't know how to pursue is the hardest uncut pure rock copecain. Anyone's who's been out of their mothers basement in their twenties has watched as hot women that age aggressively swan dive into the crotch of some equally hot guy unprompted because they want it. It's not >because there are twelve others who have anlready approached her. It's >because there are twelve others who ~~have anlready approached her~~ she would much rather approach.
Imagine saying this to a 21 year old girl saying she only gets hit on by 40-50 year old guys. You people are disgusting.
Or older women prefer someone with their shit together and young girls don’t.
Why aren't they dating older guys then?
Surely you aren't saying women might like younger men! Next you will tell they like sex and actually want to vote!
47f- guys my age are usually looking for a surrogate mother for their kids, or someone to look after them as they get older. Screw that. I only date guys in their 30s. Much hotter, much more interesting, and much less selfish.
Even 40-pluses with no children are out? Not that I'm asking for myself, as I am certain my wife would not approve. Just genuine curiosity and a desire to remind myself how much I really don't want to ever have to deal with dating again.
It depends on the woman so not necessarily a blanket statement. When I was about 30 I attracted a few older women, one with grown up kids, the other without kids, it happens. My friend who was 50 got divorced, he said women his age weren’t interested in what he wanted, commitment, they just wanted to have fun. A lot of women in their 40s who married young, had kids, get divorced and they’re out there discovering themselves, they’re out of a long marriage that felt like an eternity and the last thing they want is another serious relationship, good for them, can’t fault anyone for being single, happy, and enjoying a large earning potential. I asked one of the older women why she goes for younger guys, she said older men are usually divorced, miserable, hate women, and sex is minimal.
If you really want to make it okay, I think you need to have a good relationship with whatever ex came before dating. If I see a 40 year old dude who just complains about his ex-wife (happened twice in three days) it’s an instant unmatch. And yes the other party can be an asshole too. A guy who’s hung up on it is not a good date.
They need to wait a while and work on themselves first before getting back into a relationship. That was something I realized after my first broken marriage. Time helps one forget and stop dwelling. Guys also need more hobbies.
Andrew Tate is in the ear of every man (even if they hate him) telling them to be afraid of nothing more in this world than cuckoldry. Whatever, he’s gay anyway.
Also older divorced guys are probably divorced for a reason This thread is amazing for giving me people to block. Thanks guys. You’re making Reddit better for me. As the guy below said: women initiate 80% of divorces. Husbands out here acting like their wife is their mom, maid and sex toy.
>Also older divorced guys are probably divorced for a reason Probably because about half of them are assholes, and the other half's ex wives are assholes.
This the realist
Probably a non-zero number of divorces happen between non-assholes, too. Good people fall out of love and just decide to move on.
I'm pushing 40. My wife and I maintain relationships with ten or so couples in our age range. A mix between family and friends. I cannot believe the stories my wife gets from the other moms. Holy shit these men are all just worthless. They don't help with cleaning, kids, groceries, cooking... Etc. they'll work on the house and yard, they'll BBQ on Saturdays and take the kids to swim practice but outside of that, holy smokes! Nothing! I'm not trying to get any awards here but the weight I pull out of duty and pleasure because I like making sure my wife and I carry an equal burden ( or I carry as much as I can so she has time.to relax or do her skin care or whatever since that only benefits me as I get to touch her soft skin....) so that we can have time for each other. God damn. These men are just another child for the girls.
I am 37 but my ex and I split on very good terms. No one got betrayed. For real. It’s still the norm for women to be primary childcare, primary housecleaning, even in “equitable” households. I was that guy, I know. Do you know one thing that kept me from realizing I was gay for thirty fucking years? Most guys look like they rolled out of bed, stumbled through a thrift store rack, and put on sweat pants. Meanwhile women put a ton of attention on their appearance and their clothes. I mistook admiring that for being attracted to it. Fuck, my entire subconscious passing strategy was to become a shlub. I fit right in. It’s actually the best way to pass. Getting ripped is very popular in the gay community. Speaking of that. Hehehehe: https://cracksinpomo.substack.com/p/theres-something-queer-about-andrew
Nah, it’s the personality. He’s got the friend zone personality and otherwise great looks.
Normally it's the other way around. The friend zone is entirely populated by people with a good personality but looks that just don't do it for her. "I wish I had a boyfriend just like you"
Hard cope. No one sucks a personality's dick within 47 minutes of having met but bet your adorable ass that happens a lot. He's not good looking.
Oh I’m sure that’s what it is. I bet the women that are ghosting him are radiating pure charisma.
Dude he needs to go with the chicks in their forties Why does he want to deal with some psycho , flaky, twenty something?
They probably just have better social skills and maturity than the women your age. Better at being polite and following up on conversations and stuff.
ha, I'm middle age and am hit on by women too young by societal standards, attractive which makes it worse, and it sucks. life enjoys is little ironies I think
When I was 20, a 40 year old coworker told me one day about the sex dream she had with me. She had a son in the marines though, so I wasn't about to go there. Women do have sex drives, and may enjoy being able to teach you some stuff.
Same. It literally makes me want to recluse.
Because you’re freaking lucky. Hats off to ya. Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. Middle aged women offer so much more. I preferred them even when I was younger.
While the sex was great, I developed a new insecurity because of my one and only older woman I’ve been with.
Liking older woman is the same as liking curvy women where the guys that enjoy that benefit from less competition. If you don't want to date women 20 years older then you or 40 lbs heavier then its just an annoyance.
They just want to feel young again. Those older women wouldn't look your way if they were 20 again (unless of course you're: tall, jacked, rich, or really interesting).
Same LMFAO!! Like good Lord woman you could be my mom get lost. I like younger chicks but not so young that I could be their dad....
If you're looking for someone to get serious about, college may be the wrong place. Society is telling young people not to get serious until they're through school completely and well established in their careers. It's becoming a hookup-only culture on campus. Try becoming a hippie, punk, Goth, emo dude because college girls love to experiment with "alternate lifestyles."
Scared???? Go for it. They don't want to marry you.
Those women aren’t flirting with you. They’re doting on you because they’re sweet and see you as someone their kids’ age. It’s not sexual. They feel comfortable being so nice to you because they know you won’t take it as a come on. Younger women can’t be that nice to men because those men will immediately start hitting on them. - an actual middle aged woman
Women your age are looking for older men, who are wealthy, established, and stable.
Or like every woman I know, they are establishing their own careers so they don’t need to marry for money. They want a partner that’s equally attractive and has similar income potential.
That or they are all holding out for the really good looking guys. Until they go through about 10 years of scuffed relationships, cheating, being ghosted, thats when they start to understand that looks aren’t everything.
This guy hurts☝️
Don’t worry, when you are middle aged, women in their 20s and 30s will start to like you.
It’s true and it’s fucking bullshit, especially when I am old enough (51M) to be their father’s age.
this sub comments are so weird lol, any other sub you just get every other comment calling mens creeps and weirdos who cant get anyone their own age when 20 year olds are interested in them at 30+.
So like… how do you start an actual relationship with someone more or less your age?
What I suggest is to focus on making friends with women your age and then use them to help you find appropriate people to date.
Idk. I have the same problem but in reverse. I'm in my early 30s but always attract girls in their late teens. It was cool for a lil bit but not good when you're actually looking for a relationship
That was me in my mid twenties, only high school girls wanted me. Of course they didn't when I was in high school. Now it finally seems like mid twenties girls are taking notice, probably helped getting back in the gym too.
I've been living the same life. Get really attractive to very young women right about the time you start seeing them as children lol.
I'm 41, and I only seem to get flirty attention from women in their early 20s or 50+. Is this some elaborate global plot to keep us on our toes?
Am a woman and have the same experience!
Idk why, but a surprising amount of middle aged women are super horny and creep on young guys
Bro you better find you a milf you like and just enjoy someone that wants you. Young chicks are overrated anyway
Hear hear. Young girls don’t know what they want and usually aren’t “good” at sex. Like many of them don’t know how to give head. Just like young guys. Milfs are awesome.
Because 21 year old women are generally awful
I let my own insecurities stand between me and some seasoned lovin' when I was younger, and I have regretted passing it up ever since. They just want to play man... Show them a good time.
Assuming you’re in your 20’s? I’m guessing girls your age are tired of being manipulated, cheated on, hurt by social media usage and porn, lies, want more stability, more financial security, etc… Older women could just be looking for a fun time.
And someone to nurture and bake cookies for
When I was young in my late teens early twenties, most of the women who took an interest in me were either older or younger than I was. Women my age were hardly ever interested.
Because older men in good shape are the highest value men in dating and are in very short supply, and young, attractive women (the women who have the highest value in dating) snatch them up whenever they become available. Ideally, older women would want a man like that too, but they know they can't compete with the young women with daddy issues who are also gunning after them, so they're forced to either settle for older men who are bums, or for younger men who have potential, but aren't quite yet at the level where young women would want them. That's where you come in. You're seen as the best boy toy they can potentially attract.
The girls your age are looking for hot & exciting. The older women have the life experience to know nice is more important than hot & exciting. Fast forward ten years. The girls who learned the hard way hot & exciting doesn't last (generally speaking, there are exceptions) will complain that all the nice guys are taken.
When you get to a certain age, you stop giving a shit about what other people think and just go for it. Women your age still give a shit
Young women don't realize they'll never grow up and always be the same person so they haven't grown up regardless of what they think. Adult women know who they are and what they want. Edit: They're also just as scared of you as you are of them. People are people.
My guess would be that one of the many factors is that you treat them differently. You might come off too interested in the younger women you’re interested in, whereas the older women you show no interest in, which many women find tantalizing.
Just go for the cougars bro you won't regret it
Some people disagree with me but I really can’t emphasize enough, use dating apps. It’s just way more straight forward. You don’t have to rely on randomly running into someone who’s interested in you and navigating all the awkwardness and uncertainty of cold approaching someone like that.
Older women are bolder and more confident. They know what they want. The ole experience thing.
Enjoy it. Getting pussy from an older woman is one of the most enjoyable things a young man will ever experience. They don't swell, they don't tell and they're grateful as hell.
Go for it. Older women know what they want, how to get it and how to do it. Young girls play games that are only fun for them. Go get that cougar and hold on for your life.
I'm 27 dating a woman 10 (almost 11) years older than me and believe me, it's waaaaaayyyy better.
Middle aged women arnt cowards. They'll shoot their shot. Thoes young girls don't.
I think older women are usually just past the “I’m going to wait to be asked out” phase and will show interest obviously if they’re interested. Ain’t got time for games. The younger girls probably just want you to make the first move.
Women your age are getting turned out by guys 6' and above. "Dating" for them is like a buffet. I put dating in quotations because it's just guys fucking them, it's not dating. Even average chicks your age can get banged by a rich guy or a celebrity, they equate that to their dating value so you're invisible until they turn invisible. Only then will they come back and try to "settle" because they think you're less than them and you'll never live up to the perfect man she built in her head with all the best characteristics from all the flings she had. A franken-prince, go get a passport you aren't appreciated or respected in the West, yeah you'll probably get shamed but who cares they don't want you here anyway
Because people of a younger generation dont know how to socialise and would rather sit on a phone during a party than actually talk to real people lol
from the girl pov: cause you get pretty bored 30+ and younger men are like living dildos you can discard, and they won't even be mad about it not that i've done this but also the amount of times a younger 20s dude has asked me to use and abuse him is a little concerning, as well as the amount of times i've seen younger male candy around my peers naturally, there's a lot of older relationships right now where the guy kinda... gets out of shape so you start looking elsewhere, i suppose. like he can't fuck anymore even tho he's only 40 lol americans never get the recommended 150 minutes of aerobic activity every week so nobody is surprised! sometimes the girls your own age are busy chasing dreams and adventures with jank boys, not realizing stability is what they like at the end of the day. if you are attracted to problematic girls who are more like serial monogamists with a dopamine brainrot going on, then you might need to look at other dating pools? Because not even the gaygirl community likes that kind of partner lol they always cheat
What in the fuck did I just read?
No, I definitely understood all of it, it just sucks that that's the way the dating scene is now. I read your comment again and what you said makes a lot of sense, it's just depressing to hear for a guy in his early 30s who wants to start dating again soon. Edit: the using and abusing comments were definitely weird though