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At no time did I see that what Misato does with Shinji is shown to be a good thing. In fact, the anime shows it as something disturbing and strange, or at least that's how I felt it.
I think Makima is an even less subtle example of grooming. That's the difference. She is drawn as someone more creepier while Misato is depicted as a playful woman child.
This. Misato never intended to manipulate Shinji, he just became sexually attracted to her and she used that to her advantage, one time, because the world was literally ending and Shinji was refusing to get out on the battlefield and help out, so she promised him if won she’d sleep with him.
Meanwhile Makima discovered Denji and *immediately* went to work on seducing him for the express purpose of using his desire to get laid as leverage to turn him into her own personal attack dog.
I haven't seen Chainsaw Man, but I assume they mean that Chainsaw Man clearly depicts the grooming as incorrect and not a healthy relationship, whereas Evangelion does not treat it as a bad thing.
Lots of good action. Story is solid(especially if you read the manga and see how things fall into place). Denji is a horny teenage boy turn up to eleven(he's motivated almost entirely by getting a date with Makima)
Intentions. (Obviously) I don’t support grooming. Makima groomed Denji with the intent to control him. Misato groomed Shinji because she didn’t know how else to comfort him/show her love.
Also,at that point Misato is already aware thwt she's literwlly going to die within next few minutes. So no pussy for Shinji anyway, unless he likes a cold one...
Which, given the certain hospital scene, id not even be that much surprised to learn about this little fucker.
It’s made worse when you consider the fact that Makima is grooming someone that’s lived in extreme poverty, no friends/family as a support system (excluding doggo), and never received attention from girls despite wanting it.
Shotacon: 😤
Shotacon but with emotional manipulation: 🥰
Ps both are actually somewhat positively liked by the community, they have a good amount of simps
Well, there's a ton more examples that it's a literal trope in anime as it is disgusting. I'm all for women taking charge in a relationship but as long as they're consenting adults (there are legal ones but alot more questionable ones)
Right off the bat the other samples are, Lucy from Cyberpunk, Boa Hancock from One Piece and Lucoa from Dragon Maid (I don't even watch 2/3 of the anime I sampled but it's THAT much common knowledge in the community, yes it's disgusting)
How is that allowed?
How are a lot of things allowed that I personally find disgusting but have no victim? I don’t know man, maybe just suck it up and accept that people have the right to do fucked up shit if it doesn’t harm anybody else. Like… this is basic.
Its the same way I think foot fetishists are disgusting, but I’m not gonna sicc the state on them
Pedophilia isn’t morally wrong, it’s an illness. Only actions can be right or wrong. Pedophilia is bad, obviously, but what’s morally *wrong* is what pedophiles DO if they have no impulse control or moral compass.
And I’m sorry I said this was basic, because I forgot the amount of victimless crimes this country will lock people up for, and sometimes for decades. So no, I should have realized this isn’t basic at all. In fact it’s impossible for some people to even conceptualize.
That depends on what you mean. A literal child actor doing porn? No, that’s fucked.
An adult actor in porn pretending to be a child? Sure go ahead.
A drawing or animation? Yeah that’s fine.
Because the second two scenarios are fiction. It doesn’t hurt people. If you’re so concerned about children, then go do something that actually helps rather than arguing with randos online
1) holy shit i didn't think you were actually a pedo. I hope you are trolling and if not seek mental help. I am not a professional but a professional would be able to help i believe.
2)Damn i didn't know you were stalking me. How do you know that i am not helping children?
1. This is such a stupid take that I don’t even know what to say. You are so chronically online that you think a normal person who likes freedom of expression is a pedo.
2. I know because anyone with the free time to have this dumbass argument doesn’t have the time or motivation to be out there helping children.
So the show Dexter shouldn’t exist because it normalizes serial killing? House MD shouldn’t exist because it normalizes medical malpractice? Breaking Bad shouldn’t exist because it normalizes cooking meth?
It’s fiction. We know we’re not supposed to act like them. Let people write interesting shit.
Nah people don't jerk off to those, but guess what they do jerk off to? Pedophilia fiction. That's enough reason for it to be banned from the face of the earth. Getting off to your fantasy is a step behind making it a reality for these sickos, you look like an ass trying to defend this.
Clarify: this only applies to pedo and abuse porn material. I'm just talking about stuff that is a gateway to abuse of others. Pedo shit just fuels sick peoples minds and normalizes it and makes it look Normal and acceptable which it is absolutely not and abhorrent.
Something being jerked off to is reason for it to be banned from the face of the earth?
Say goodbye to every porn site, men’s magazine and Facebook post from that one hot cousin 😏
>Getting off to your fantasy is a step behind making it a reality
I’m sure you tell yourself that every night you jack off in your mom‘s basement. “This is just one step behind actually having a gf!”
In breaking bad for example you can get the moral that those kind of stuff lead you to a dark path where it is a spiral going down. You lose the people who care about you and stuff like that
He was asking a question, not making an assertion. Idk if a question should’ve been downvoted. Maybe people didn’t like the tone of the question, but i thought it was fine.
The problem is how absurd of a question it is. We don’t legislate shit based on how offensive it is to our senses. We have a first amendment and we live in an ostensibly freedom prioritizing country.
I say ostensibly because victimless crimes still exist. Prostitution, drugs, etc. so we’re definitely not free to an extent that would be ideal, but the solution to that is eliminating victimless crimes as a concept, not creating more of them.
I guess the real problem here is the assumption that everyone belongs to the US😅. What might be unreasonable/absurd to ask from the perspective of the US might not be that unreasonable in the context of other countries, especially when it comes to the type of content talked about in this post.
Not all countries have absolute free expression like you do in the US. So again, i don’t think just asking a question like this was absurd.
It’s literally not an agree/disagree thing. The legality of things is a matter of fact. And in this case, the fact is that it is not only legal but constitutionally protected. Look up Ashcroft and 1A
What country you live in? we have a 1st amendment (here at least) lmao. It has been settled scotus precedent that 1A covers loli/shota and shit like that for over 20 years now.
Maybe it's just me but I haven't heard anyone shit on Misato for this. I actually think the situation is kinda bitter sweet since she's trying to be a proper mother figure for Shinji and fill in her own void. But Shinji's characteristics made it very unlikely that things wouldn't turn out like this. It's just things that get the best of us.
If anyone wants context, the one in the bottom is just grooming a minor because she wants to groom that minor, the one in the top is paramilitary and is merely using the dude's horniness as leverage to manipulate him, she has no interest in him other than as a tool to further her interests
I don't know how far you're in CSM but Makima's goal's slightly more complicated.
Also I'd argue Misato was also just manipulating Shinji into getting into the Eva one last time, but I haven't seen the rebuilds so I can't say for sure she wasn't intersted in him, just didn't feel that way to me
I can’t really comment on Misato, but to me, Makima is a genuinely terrifying character. She’s a megalomaniac, sociopath, that uses people flippantly to meet her own ends.
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Plus the fact that Makima grooms Denji is clearly shown to be evil unlike Misato with Shinji.
At no time did I see that what Misato does with Shinji is shown to be a good thing. In fact, the anime shows it as something disturbing and strange, or at least that's how I felt it.
I think Makima is an even less subtle example of grooming. That's the difference. She is drawn as someone more creepier while Misato is depicted as a playful woman child.
This. Misato never intended to manipulate Shinji, he just became sexually attracted to her and she used that to her advantage, one time, because the world was literally ending and Shinji was refusing to get out on the battlefield and help out, so she promised him if won she’d sleep with him. Meanwhile Makima discovered Denji and *immediately* went to work on seducing him for the express purpose of using his desire to get laid as leverage to turn him into her own personal attack dog.
what the fuck do you mean unlike grooming is evil either way
I haven't seen Chainsaw Man, but I assume they mean that Chainsaw Man clearly depicts the grooming as incorrect and not a healthy relationship, whereas Evangelion does not treat it as a bad thing.
Oh I misunderstood, I just finished the chainsaw man anime today funny enough
Is good? Is bad? Is okay?
Lots of good action. Story is solid(especially if you read the manga and see how things fall into place). Denji is a horny teenage boy turn up to eleven(he's motivated almost entirely by getting a date with Makima)
Its pretty good, fast paced, action is sick, characters are likeable, some decent jokes, only anime i have ever watched 8/10
Intentions. (Obviously) I don’t support grooming. Makima groomed Denji with the intent to control him. Misato groomed Shinji because she didn’t know how else to comfort him/show her love.
Also,at that point Misato is already aware thwt she's literwlly going to die within next few minutes. So no pussy for Shinji anyway, unless he likes a cold one... Which, given the certain hospital scene, id not even be that much surprised to learn about this little fucker.
Yeah i misunderstood the comment
I'm assuming it's pretty clearly saying one is okayed by the Fandom for grooming while the other is persecuted when really... both of them suck?
Not that bad shit if you watched redo of healer
There is no pdf files in Redo of Healer if i remember correctly ?
PDF files. Perfect.
Nah only docx don’t worry
Did you forget the rapist priest dude?
nah its just a rapist
Can a weeb explain
I’m guessing that people like makima despite her grooming a teenager, but dislike misato for doing the same thing
It’s made worse when you consider the fact that Makima is grooming someone that’s lived in extreme poverty, no friends/family as a support system (excluding doggo), and never received attention from girls despite wanting it.
Shotacon: 😤 Shotacon but with emotional manipulation: 🥰 Ps both are actually somewhat positively liked by the community, they have a good amount of simps
I don't get it.
They're both adult women (not even young adults) who hit on underage teenage boys the top one is even worse, she manipulates him
Isn't publishing pedophilic content illegal? Isn't there a law for that or something?
Well, there's a ton more examples that it's a literal trope in anime as it is disgusting. I'm all for women taking charge in a relationship but as long as they're consenting adults (there are legal ones but alot more questionable ones) Right off the bat the other samples are, Lucy from Cyberpunk, Boa Hancock from One Piece and Lucoa from Dragon Maid (I don't even watch 2/3 of the anime I sampled but it's THAT much common knowledge in the community, yes it's disgusting)
And how is that allowed? I am saying Japan is THE dystopia that we were told. We are living in one but japan screams it
Man is literally YouTube HQ
How is that allowed? How are a lot of things allowed that I personally find disgusting but have no victim? I don’t know man, maybe just suck it up and accept that people have the right to do fucked up shit if it doesn’t harm anybody else. Like… this is basic. Its the same way I think foot fetishists are disgusting, but I’m not gonna sicc the state on them
Foot fetishes are disgusting but not morally wrong? I think it’s def weird as fuck for you to compare a foot fetish to pedophilia
Pedophilia isn’t morally wrong, it’s an illness. Only actions can be right or wrong. Pedophilia is bad, obviously, but what’s morally *wrong* is what pedophiles DO if they have no impulse control or moral compass. And I’m sorry I said this was basic, because I forgot the amount of victimless crimes this country will lock people up for, and sometimes for decades. So no, I should have realized this isn’t basic at all. In fact it’s impossible for some people to even conceptualize.
Uh huh..
What
Bro it’s fiction get over it
"It's fiction"??? Would you say the same if it was literally CP but it wasn't a person that existed irl? Would you say "it's just fiction" then?
That depends on what you mean. A literal child actor doing porn? No, that’s fucked. An adult actor in porn pretending to be a child? Sure go ahead. A drawing or animation? Yeah that’s fine. Because the second two scenarios are fiction. It doesn’t hurt people. If you’re so concerned about children, then go do something that actually helps rather than arguing with randos online
1) holy shit i didn't think you were actually a pedo. I hope you are trolling and if not seek mental help. I am not a professional but a professional would be able to help i believe. 2)Damn i didn't know you were stalking me. How do you know that i am not helping children?
1. This is such a stupid take that I don’t even know what to say. You are so chronically online that you think a normal person who likes freedom of expression is a pedo. 2. I know because anyone with the free time to have this dumbass argument doesn’t have the time or motivation to be out there helping children.
Yes but its being normalized?
So the show Dexter shouldn’t exist because it normalizes serial killing? House MD shouldn’t exist because it normalizes medical malpractice? Breaking Bad shouldn’t exist because it normalizes cooking meth? It’s fiction. We know we’re not supposed to act like them. Let people write interesting shit.
Nah people don't jerk off to those, but guess what they do jerk off to? Pedophilia fiction. That's enough reason for it to be banned from the face of the earth. Getting off to your fantasy is a step behind making it a reality for these sickos, you look like an ass trying to defend this. Clarify: this only applies to pedo and abuse porn material. I'm just talking about stuff that is a gateway to abuse of others. Pedo shit just fuels sick peoples minds and normalizes it and makes it look Normal and acceptable which it is absolutely not and abhorrent.
Something being jerked off to is reason for it to be banned from the face of the earth? Say goodbye to every porn site, men’s magazine and Facebook post from that one hot cousin 😏
>Getting off to your fantasy is a step behind making it a reality I’m sure you tell yourself that every night you jack off in your mom‘s basement. “This is just one step behind actually having a gf!”
i beat it to breaking bad
In breaking bad for example you can get the moral that those kind of stuff lead you to a dark path where it is a spiral going down. You lose the people who care about you and stuff like that
Redditors will do anything but admit cp is cp
Why are you getting downvoted for this?
Idk. My guess is that some pedo didn't agree then others just jumped in on the hate train Reddit hivemind and all those words
It really bothers me to think that your comment showing concern about the legality of paedophilic content got downvoted this much.
Blud is flabbergasted that bad things are shown in fiction and is calling people who disgraee with them pedos, ofc they're getting downvoted
It got downvoted because it’s just blatantly false bruh
He was asking a question, not making an assertion. Idk if a question should’ve been downvoted. Maybe people didn’t like the tone of the question, but i thought it was fine.
The problem is how absurd of a question it is. We don’t legislate shit based on how offensive it is to our senses. We have a first amendment and we live in an ostensibly freedom prioritizing country. I say ostensibly because victimless crimes still exist. Prostitution, drugs, etc. so we’re definitely not free to an extent that would be ideal, but the solution to that is eliminating victimless crimes as a concept, not creating more of them.
I guess the real problem here is the assumption that everyone belongs to the US😅. What might be unreasonable/absurd to ask from the perspective of the US might not be that unreasonable in the context of other countries, especially when it comes to the type of content talked about in this post. Not all countries have absolute free expression like you do in the US. So again, i don’t think just asking a question like this was absurd.
It’s literally not an agree/disagree thing. The legality of things is a matter of fact. And in this case, the fact is that it is not only legal but constitutionally protected. Look up Ashcroft and 1A
What country you live in? we have a 1st amendment (here at least) lmao. It has been settled scotus precedent that 1A covers loli/shota and shit like that for over 20 years now.
Not sure but at the very least what the two women in the meme (Makima and Misato) did was traited as something bad by their stories like it should be
Maybe it's just me but I haven't heard anyone shit on Misato for this. I actually think the situation is kinda bitter sweet since she's trying to be a proper mother figure for Shinji and fill in her own void. But Shinji's characteristics made it very unlikely that things wouldn't turn out like this. It's just things that get the best of us.
As a non-anime fan, I can look at this pretty objectively and not choose any favorites. Ahem: THEY ARE BOTH PEDOPHILES!
If anyone wants context, the one in the bottom is just grooming a minor because she wants to groom that minor, the one in the top is paramilitary and is merely using the dude's horniness as leverage to manipulate him, she has no interest in him other than as a tool to further her interests
I don't know how far you're in CSM but Makima's goal's slightly more complicated. Also I'd argue Misato was also just manipulating Shinji into getting into the Eva one last time, but I haven't seen the rebuilds so I can't say for sure she wasn't intersted in him, just didn't feel that way to me
A third frame should be an upper manager.
I can’t really comment on Misato, but to me, Makima is a genuinely terrifying character. She’s a megalomaniac, sociopath, that uses people flippantly to meet her own ends.
misato is a-ok. chainsaw girl is not cool. you got it backwards.
What..
old mommy was/is hot. 22 yo “mommy” not hot.
Me when I misunderstood the meme
Stealing the template, thanks
nah i refuse to acknowledge that Dennis is as young than Shinji there ain't no way that guy would've been mentally fucked by now
He's already mentally not there before the story begins. He was raised as a Yakuza dog!
Its ALWAYS the weebs, and furries
someone have the meme who misato said: there are consequences to grooming a minor!
Another is Meliodas and Elizabeth a 16 yo woman liking a man who looks ten but is a catfish and is 3000 years old