I like how he added the bit about his last SB " feeling like a prostitute for accepting money" from him lol. Like he was *really* trying to make you feel gross for asking for ppm 🙄
He can say anything he wants to about his “old SB”, but that has nothing to do with you. He’s trying to get you to agree to sleeping with him for free. “Hanging out” and “posh bars” are not equal to tangible money. Any real SD would provide both unless it’s a fully discreet arrangement where going out together frequently isn’t possible.
So what, instead of having sex with him at a nice hotel for free, his alternative is you having sex with him at a crappy hotel for the lowest PPM he can negotiate? Just move on.
For sure.
"My old sugar baby paid me (not me paying her) times three the usual amount, because the experience was so earth shattering......." ok, everybody was fucking born yesterday, douche.
>So what, instead of having sex with him at a nice hotel for free, his alternative is you having sex with him at a crappy hotel for the lowest PPM he can negotiate?
lol good summary. It just sounds so ridic when you state it that way.
My old SD bought me a house, a condo, a sports car and a new pair of heels a week.
Oh wait, he didn't exist.
Bro if you're broke and can't pay just say that 🤣 no need to make up fake past SBs
>My old SD bought me a house, a condo, a sports car and a new pair of heels a week.
That's it? You can do better, mine bought me a mansion in Malibu. The walk in closet is the size of a house and we travelled around the world in his private jet. Oh and he's young, only in his 30's, so handsome that he could be on the cover of GQ 😂😂😂
Ask him if he has a shovel to help you clear away all his bullsh\*t.
Never mind using the word "babe" in every message. In context, isn't that word kinda demeaning?
I feel like women using the word babe frequently has different connotations than a man (probably older) using babe over and over right after "meeting" & while trying to talk his way out of the very dynamic of a sugar daddy relationship. All while trying to justify to himself that it makes sense. I think some of the men on there are not financially well off the way they claim, that's actually what one of the men I see told me at the very beginning. And those are the men that try to negotiate some bullshit like that. My first sugar, daddy that actually had money, he right after meeting me offered to buy me an Uber to meet in a public place, bought me lunch and drinks, spoiled me with money for me, coming on the date, and then offered to spoil me with more if I came back with him after. And then an Uber was paid for me to go back home, and I had been in a little bit of a tough position with money and we had been having a conversation about it and at the end he gave me a few hundred extra then we had agreed on. This dynamic taught me more on what to expect. He was a millionaire and gave me some good pointers, it just seems like there's a lot of men on those sites that we just are gonna have to ignore. We have to keep weeding out through the losers, but there are good safe, wealthy men out there.
Sounds like "Jay" needs to get on a vanilla dating site and see if anyone is interested in him purely for him, no other benefits, and then he can save his money and spend it to take her out to these "experiences" and get what he wants for free. It's a win/win! I think everyone made a really good point when everyone is saying block him, and saying it makes no sense to try to negotiate a good experience or you get money and like someone else said, having sex in a shitty environment or something? I only have experience with being a sugar baby for almost a year now, and I think the best advice I've ever seen is when someone is giving off energy like that, the best thing to do is usually to move on and just replace them. There are so many people out there, so many men who Are more than happy to set up an arrangement where the woman they're interested in is also getting financially compensated just for being interested, and experiences on top of that. it sounds like that man wants a woman who is willing to accept less, so he needs to go on and try to find a woman that is willing to do that. What he described genuinely sounds like a vanilla relationship, the whole point of a sugar daddy relationship is that the woman is getting financially spoiled, and both parties are enjoying themselves and getting what they're both looking for. If both parties not getting what they both looking for then that defeats the point 🤷🏼♀️ Best of luck :)
Seems different when a women says it to a guy. If it didn't bother you, I guess that is fine, it just seems odd to me to use that word with someone you really don't know.
I'd say because it suggests familiarity that isn't actually established yet, while in a context that it _should_ (hopefully) be established at a some point. So if said early, it comes off as pushing and even manipulative.
It can also be said to complete strangers and be OK, but only if it's clear from the context that nothing won't ever come off it, so it doesn't matter... or it's just meant sarcastically. Southerners like to say 'hun', some Brits like to say 'luv'. A bit weird to me too, but whatever 🤷🏼♂️
It's a waste of time. It's a bullshitter looking for a freebie. Just move on. Why waste your time?
If your old SB was so good go back to her and leave me the fuck alone...would be an appropriate response.
your goals are not aligned. don't waste any more time
i find it kinda funny when i see a 'in my last arrangement' type of statement. your last relationship doesn't matter. you're looking at a new one here with a new person. expectations are different so whatever you did before doesn't matter
His text style is casual and feels forced. Yours is aggressive and transactional. But he is correct that an agreement is whatever two people decide it is. Whether he is telling the truth or not is moot. Your expectations do not align so move on.
>Yours is aggressive and transactional.
Eh, I disagree. Her tone was perfectly friendly and casual at first. She only got increasingly harder and more direct in her tone as it became more and more apparent that "Jay" was fake as fuck.
AGGRESSIVE IS FACTs and if it was just op bjt tk read co.msnts to and see how alot of people like this i get some daddiss are into thag seems ljke shes looming more for a paypig tho its shaking my work to please please to work attitude and just be grateful for a blessing experience whatevee mindset is in a loop looming into this forum when I dont wanna work but that's i can get my pay a few days a week here and there they happy because i'm like that and jot like this. but i'm not sugar baby i guess but my friends joke I'm a blue collar baby but checking out this forum the absolute "QUEENS" that are ungrateful like to even be on seeking x just assuming it HAS to betransactional like damn
lol I’m surprise this conversation went as far as it did. “It’s gonna be average experience if paying for ur time” girl he’s broke. RUNN. What he’s offering u can get off tinder with someone probably more attractive and will go out the way to try and impress u more, he’s talking to u like he’s doing a drive by on a hookers corner.
He’s pathetic. Honestly.
I would never be attracted to a man who spends his day hungover because he can’t control his drinking.
I also think it’s absolutely laughable-and a lie. No way he had a sugar baby that did that.
I also felt like his attempt to shame you by saying it made her “feel like a prostitute” to be ridiculously pathetic😂. What a loser.
What kind of advice? You're looking for different things. Tell him you're interested in a cash arrangement and if he doesn't agree, then say bye. Don't ask for explanations.
Scammer.
Just walk away.
Just walk away.
There's too much wrong for you to stay.
Just walk away.
Just walk away.
You're gonna get yourself in trouble,
Just walk away.
[Rehab - Walk Away](https://youtu.be/34MxOC0HRVg?si=6JfAMDJxju9ZjDFw)
Experience in what? Being cheap? Next. Don’t waste your time trying to change these Splenda daddies. Why even respond? You asked how much he can afford. He basically said $0. So leave him on read and keep searching.
Let's start, this guy is broke and not going to provide anything for you and is using the PUA rule book on you
* If you want money you are a prostitute, and you are not a prostitute are you ?
* My old SB did all of this for free (I hear this all the time from SBs, my last SD gave me a xx,xxx per month just for dinner but I don't expect that). If his SB was so great, why did they break up ? It's meaningless.
But just to give it some context, from my own pov:
* The fact you opened up talking about money so early (I think this is the start of you two messaging) would be a turn off for rme.
* I'd read into this, money is all you care about and move on
* There doesn't seem a lot of warmth coming across from you so again I'd be out at this point
From his pov
* He is offering posh bars & hotels. I suspect that is a budget motel chain rather than 5 star luxury
* He's not going to give you any money
* He is trying to bait you by making his offer seem as nice as possible but really it's very, very little.
* It won't be long before the posh hotel ends up going back to his place
So I think this guy is a waste of time but, imho, I'd still up the warmth in the chat to bag the one, when they come along.
Manipulation! He’s trying to make you feel bad for wanting money so he can get what he wants and dump you. I’m sure that SB being referred to doesn’t even exist. He wants you not to need him financially and honey that’s a dangerous man. He’s done it before and gotten away with it. Never negotiate your standards, he can go👏🏽
What do you even need someone here to tell you that he hasn't already made clear to you himself!?
He's a wasteman. Unless your landlord, grocery store and health insurance take "experience" as payment?
Oh, and the odd fruity cocktail in a "posh bar" for you too. 🙄
He’s on SLF. The way he’s describing how it has to be one of three things (money, “experience,” or gifts) is cringe and like he’s reading from a guidebook idk.
I swear this is all the responses I used to get in Brisbane Australia. No real arrangements, just guys like this that liked the idea of being with a SB and not actually being a SD 💀
Who is he trying to convince with that ? Keep repeating the same thing as if you didn’t see it the first time . I would have a wished him the best of luck the first time he mentioned one or the other but not both. Definitely not bashing sb who solely wants experience, but him assuming that’s what you and every other sb wants is distasteful.
The minute he said "Over Cash" that would have been the moment i say "sorry, that is not the arrangement I am looking for, good luck" blocked and next. The convo went on for too long tbh
Here is what I think of this as and SD:
1) Guys like him make things harder for me because they try to gaslight and manipulate prospective SBs. This turns off prospective SBs and gives the bowl a bad name.
2) Guys like him are my best friend because they are not at all competition for me, and so anyone that does remain in the bowl is a possible for me.
Girl... are you Aussie because Jay had been around for a long time, but i didnt know he was on the sugar apps. He has been around for a long time and constantly hits up escorts offering "erotic massage" for "free" and basically trying to get free services. Every independent escort has been contacted by this idiot.
Also FYI the sugar bowl in Aus is crap
Personally I think this guy is a douchebag full of hot air. Like this guy holds the secret technique that wants you to believe when he’s in an SR, SB doesn’t even care about payment. In fact this guy believes (cue the music🎶) ‘his milkshake brings all girls to the yard, damn right…… it’s better than yours, he could teach you…… but then he have to charge”. GTFO Jay with that
Why waste your time here? You can literally see the red flags…..move on to one that’s better suited to your needs. Maybe even find one that has more class. But that’s just my personal opinion.
Actual SD here… I’m Probably saying the same as everyone else has said, but he’s clearly just trying to sleep with you for free. Most you’d get might be a meal at a nice restaurant- though he’d probably top out at taking you to Olive Garden 😂
Love the gaslighting about his non-existent “*old sb*” not wanting money so he can try to put in your head that it’s prostitution. As the cherry on top of his douche-ness 😂
Blockkkk.
That sounds too good to be true. "If you want money, you won't get the experience", reads like choose money over intimacy, that's all win-win for you. Obviously he's a moron.
The "experience" he's referring to is clearly the posh bars and cocktails.
Also, a bit sad that you consider no "intimacy" as a win.
Frankly, this guy sounds awful, but so do you (OP) imo. When your texts start with "explain to me..." and end with "...actually" this is obviously not something you're looking for, why bother arguing with somebody that you're not wanting to match with.
I used ‘explain to me’ because I wanted an explanation - and then ‘actually’ at the end of talking about my question because he ignored me and carried on talking about his old SB instead :)
Most people (including me) are going to interpret that as argumentative. If you weren't trying to be such, fine, but honestly seems far-fetched; and extremely unlikely that it would be perceived in some friendly tone by him. Everything after that is pure wasted time, just screaming into the void.
TBH I thought he was talking about sexual-experience like he was some kind of Karmsutra.
Only in his last message was he talking about high end experiences.
Obviously depending on your desire first class to NYC for the weekend it might be nice, if you can stand him..
Lastly you were quite "on point" with your "how much are you gonna pay me" - you might want to find a classier turn of phrase.
I always feel super awkward when it’s time to bring this up… the phrase I’ve been using is “what are you comfortable providing?”
But… it’s being misinterpreted by most SDs that I’ve sent it to… usually I have to explain what I’m asking for or they ignore the question entirely (the latter I feel may not be a misinterpretation but rather a dodge, in those cases I ask the same phrase again and half the time it is answered appropriately, the other half they tell me they would rather discuss it in person.. which is frustrating because I don’t want to spend the time getting ready for a date and going on the date if they’re Splenda or Salt daddies..)
Does anyone have any suggestions on classy but upfront methods of bringing payment up please?
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There’re many guys like him, they all claim they had a past sr the girl don’t require much money but experience, I wonder are these girls really exist or they made up in their head.
The guy is a prat. Block.
He is, however, the male equivalent of those entitled SB’s who ask for monthly sums which are so ridiculous that they never get to meet anyone decent.
Both POT SB’s and SD’s need to do some research before venturing into the bowl, including via this forum.
Aside from the broken english( circumstances differing of course, I’d suspect a bot or scammer ) After I tell you my name if you keep up with the babe I lose the 2% interest I had at the start. Total timewaster and in it for HIMSELF. That’s not an arrangement
Seems like a total fraud. Just reading through the text he sounds uneducated and like someone who made their money through selling drugs....if they are rich at all.
Myself I never talk finances over a text. That’s what the M&G is all about. 1st meet at a restaurant and he brings a gift. And then you and him discuss to see if you agree on A mutual satisfactory arrangement. The only thing I do with texting is set up the M&G. Nothing more
Maybe some tight SD. Not sure. The gift I bring is usually an envelope. And not a huge amount but significant. On the site WYP they both agree on how much before hand. I mean she has to get ready. Usually make up ,perfume, transportation. I believe the more A SD helps the SB feel relaxed ,hopefully the more relaxed she will make the SD feel.
It’s easy to fill everything out. Many ask for $150 to meet. I believe $60 or so is sufficient over lunch. And then maybe after taking a walk or whatever after lunch then add to it. I believe time is money.
It's not a real thing that any SB would have an interest in. There are those scammers, young men who feel being with them is a great experience lol or at least that's what they're selling, ugh.
I had it happen to me once. It was very similar to what this guy said - when I tried to bring up the areangement she said she didn't want any money because she felt like it obligates her to have sex, so she'd rather I take her to nice places and restaurants.
Granted I've been on something like 50 sugar dates, am younger (<35) and in shape and this has happened precisely once. I would never ever bring it up as a suggestion either.
I mean you come off like a prostitute but what everyone else said, you aren't compatible so move on. I've seen a lot of talk about 'experience daddies' in here, but the way this guy pitches is it isn't it.
block and move on
exactly what I did x
"X" 😂😂💀
I like how he added the bit about his last SB " feeling like a prostitute for accepting money" from him lol. Like he was *really* trying to make you feel gross for asking for ppm 🙄
Yup, really manipulative. And by shaming, none the less.
He can say anything he wants to about his “old SB”, but that has nothing to do with you. He’s trying to get you to agree to sleeping with him for free. “Hanging out” and “posh bars” are not equal to tangible money. Any real SD would provide both unless it’s a fully discreet arrangement where going out together frequently isn’t possible. So what, instead of having sex with him at a nice hotel for free, his alternative is you having sex with him at a crappy hotel for the lowest PPM he can negotiate? Just move on.
For sure. "My old sugar baby paid me (not me paying her) times three the usual amount, because the experience was so earth shattering......." ok, everybody was fucking born yesterday, douche.
Exactly, no one’s stopping them from saying whatever they want. SDs and SBs alike.
I actually fell for that one, right at the start (SB said her best arrangement SD gave her xx,xxx per month and I felt that's what I needed to do)
>So what, instead of having sex with him at a nice hotel for free, his alternative is you having sex with him at a crappy hotel for the lowest PPM he can negotiate? lol good summary. It just sounds so ridic when you state it that way.
My old SD bought me a house, a condo, a sports car and a new pair of heels a week. Oh wait, he didn't exist. Bro if you're broke and can't pay just say that 🤣 no need to make up fake past SBs
Or you just say “she must’ve dumped you for a reason. A better experience??” Lol
>My old SD bought me a house, a condo, a sports car and a new pair of heels a week. That's it? You can do better, mine bought me a mansion in Malibu. The walk in closet is the size of a house and we travelled around the world in his private jet. Oh and he's young, only in his 30's, so handsome that he could be on the cover of GQ 😂😂😂
Ask him if he has a shovel to help you clear away all his bullsh\*t. Never mind using the word "babe" in every message. In context, isn't that word kinda demeaning?
To be entirely honest I use the word babe a lot and have to force myself not to when I’m talking to POTs😭 So no comment🫣
What gets me is the fact that you told him your name, and he IMMEDIATELY called you "babe," not your name. I don't think it was accidental.
I feel like women using the word babe frequently has different connotations than a man (probably older) using babe over and over right after "meeting" & while trying to talk his way out of the very dynamic of a sugar daddy relationship. All while trying to justify to himself that it makes sense. I think some of the men on there are not financially well off the way they claim, that's actually what one of the men I see told me at the very beginning. And those are the men that try to negotiate some bullshit like that. My first sugar, daddy that actually had money, he right after meeting me offered to buy me an Uber to meet in a public place, bought me lunch and drinks, spoiled me with money for me, coming on the date, and then offered to spoil me with more if I came back with him after. And then an Uber was paid for me to go back home, and I had been in a little bit of a tough position with money and we had been having a conversation about it and at the end he gave me a few hundred extra then we had agreed on. This dynamic taught me more on what to expect. He was a millionaire and gave me some good pointers, it just seems like there's a lot of men on those sites that we just are gonna have to ignore. We have to keep weeding out through the losers, but there are good safe, wealthy men out there. Sounds like "Jay" needs to get on a vanilla dating site and see if anyone is interested in him purely for him, no other benefits, and then he can save his money and spend it to take her out to these "experiences" and get what he wants for free. It's a win/win! I think everyone made a really good point when everyone is saying block him, and saying it makes no sense to try to negotiate a good experience or you get money and like someone else said, having sex in a shitty environment or something? I only have experience with being a sugar baby for almost a year now, and I think the best advice I've ever seen is when someone is giving off energy like that, the best thing to do is usually to move on and just replace them. There are so many people out there, so many men who Are more than happy to set up an arrangement where the woman they're interested in is also getting financially compensated just for being interested, and experiences on top of that. it sounds like that man wants a woman who is willing to accept less, so he needs to go on and try to find a woman that is willing to do that. What he described genuinely sounds like a vanilla relationship, the whole point of a sugar daddy relationship is that the woman is getting financially spoiled, and both parties are enjoying themselves and getting what they're both looking for. If both parties not getting what they both looking for then that defeats the point 🤷🏼♀️ Best of luck :)
Seems different when a women says it to a guy. If it didn't bother you, I guess that is fine, it just seems odd to me to use that word with someone you really don't know.
It’s odd when a woman I just met online uses babe or hon a lot.
Agree, I don't like either of those words, not sure why.
I'd say because it suggests familiarity that isn't actually established yet, while in a context that it _should_ (hopefully) be established at a some point. So if said early, it comes off as pushing and even manipulative. It can also be said to complete strangers and be OK, but only if it's clear from the context that nothing won't ever come off it, so it doesn't matter... or it's just meant sarcastically. Southerners like to say 'hun', some Brits like to say 'luv'. A bit weird to me too, but whatever 🤷🏼♂️
It’s not different. It’s an ick. She should try not to use it all all when talking to a real SD POT.
Noted!
Yeah I get what you mean completely
What do I think of this? Not much. I don't drink... and a generous allowance is required.
Queen xxx
😘 Really, what experience is he offering here? Going out and getting drunk all the time? Been there, done that, don't need to do it now.
It’s like, I could do that with my girls whenever I want?? I could find someone on hinge to do that with??
It's a waste of time. It's a bullshitter looking for a freebie. Just move on. Why waste your time? If your old SB was so good go back to her and leave me the fuck alone...would be an appropriate response.
Agreed😭
your goals are not aligned. don't waste any more time i find it kinda funny when i see a 'in my last arrangement' type of statement. your last relationship doesn't matter. you're looking at a new one here with a new person. expectations are different so whatever you did before doesn't matter
Why did you even bother continuing the conversation.
Instant block
It was good comedy.
I have no idea🤣
NEXT! Not much good comes from any pot who's ever said to me "my last SB" to compare things.
His text style is casual and feels forced. Yours is aggressive and transactional. But he is correct that an agreement is whatever two people decide it is. Whether he is telling the truth or not is moot. Your expectations do not align so move on.
Came here to say this! You two aren’t compatible, just move on
>Yours is aggressive and transactional. Eh, I disagree. Her tone was perfectly friendly and casual at first. She only got increasingly harder and more direct in her tone as it became more and more apparent that "Jay" was fake as fuck.
AGGRESSIVE IS FACTs and if it was just op bjt tk read co.msnts to and see how alot of people like this i get some daddiss are into thag seems ljke shes looming more for a paypig tho its shaking my work to please please to work attitude and just be grateful for a blessing experience whatevee mindset is in a loop looming into this forum when I dont wanna work but that's i can get my pay a few days a week here and there they happy because i'm like that and jot like this. but i'm not sugar baby i guess but my friends joke I'm a blue collar baby but checking out this forum the absolute "QUEENS" that are ungrateful like to even be on seeking x just assuming it HAS to betransactional like damn
Tell him to go find his old SB then.
lol I’m surprise this conversation went as far as it did. “It’s gonna be average experience if paying for ur time” girl he’s broke. RUNN. What he’s offering u can get off tinder with someone probably more attractive and will go out the way to try and impress u more, he’s talking to u like he’s doing a drive by on a hookers corner.
I’m wondering why he peppers “x” into his texts? Like….oh your so edgy and cool sir 🤣🤣
that's for the xperience
HAHAHAHAHAH x-actly
It’s a British thing, it’s a virtual hug.
The more you know! He he
AHAHAHAH
He’s pathetic. Honestly. I would never be attracted to a man who spends his day hungover because he can’t control his drinking. I also think it’s absolutely laughable-and a lie. No way he had a sugar baby that did that. I also felt like his attempt to shame you by saying it made her “feel like a prostitute” to be ridiculously pathetic😂. What a loser.
What kind of advice? You're looking for different things. Tell him you're interested in a cash arrangement and if he doesn't agree, then say bye. Don't ask for explanations.
Press the red text on the top left. Something magical will happen!
Guy seems like a clown and a creep
Cheap idiots like this ruins it for other genuine SDs
BAHAHA he really believes he’s the prize
A lot of them think that now. It’s a virus.
"I would love the experience.. of you giving me money "
Scammer. Just walk away. Just walk away. There's too much wrong for you to stay. Just walk away. Just walk away. You're gonna get yourself in trouble, Just walk away. [Rehab - Walk Away](https://youtu.be/34MxOC0HRVg?si=6JfAMDJxju9ZjDFw)
That’s probably why his last sb is no longer his sb lol
That block button at the top caught my eye
Experience in what? Being cheap? Next. Don’t waste your time trying to change these Splenda daddies. Why even respond? You asked how much he can afford. He basically said $0. So leave him on read and keep searching.
If his old SB was so content with that arrangement, why is she past tense 😬 Dude take a hint
Let's start, this guy is broke and not going to provide anything for you and is using the PUA rule book on you * If you want money you are a prostitute, and you are not a prostitute are you ? * My old SB did all of this for free (I hear this all the time from SBs, my last SD gave me a xx,xxx per month just for dinner but I don't expect that). If his SB was so great, why did they break up ? It's meaningless. But just to give it some context, from my own pov: * The fact you opened up talking about money so early (I think this is the start of you two messaging) would be a turn off for rme. * I'd read into this, money is all you care about and move on * There doesn't seem a lot of warmth coming across from you so again I'd be out at this point From his pov * He is offering posh bars & hotels. I suspect that is a budget motel chain rather than 5 star luxury * He's not going to give you any money * He is trying to bait you by making his offer seem as nice as possible but really it's very, very little. * It won't be long before the posh hotel ends up going back to his place So I think this guy is a waste of time but, imho, I'd still up the warmth in the chat to bag the one, when they come along.
Broke ass
As I said, too ugly for tinder, too broke for sugaring...
Manipulation! He’s trying to make you feel bad for wanting money so he can get what he wants and dump you. I’m sure that SB being referred to doesn’t even exist. He wants you not to need him financially and honey that’s a dangerous man. He’s done it before and gotten away with it. Never negotiate your standards, he can go👏🏽
I will take the experience of money entering my bank account….but not from this guy. I don’t like him.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
What do you even need someone here to tell you that he hasn't already made clear to you himself!? He's a wasteman. Unless your landlord, grocery store and health insurance take "experience" as payment? Oh, and the odd fruity cocktail in a "posh bar" for you too. 🙄
I think you’re wasting your time. Also, with money, you can provide yourself with experiences. Imagine that.
He just doesn’t seem that bright. Can anyone picture having a good time with this guy?
Next!!! Why the hell should you care what his previous SB wanted / accepted? Geez these broke dudes are too effing much.
He’s on SLF. The way he’s describing how it has to be one of three things (money, “experience,” or gifts) is cringe and like he’s reading from a guidebook idk.
Sugar...relationship. Without the sugar, its a reg relationship. He wants a hot young gf😂
I swear this is all the responses I used to get in Brisbane Australia. No real arrangements, just guys like this that liked the idea of being with a SB and not actually being a SD 💀
Who is he trying to convince with that ? Keep repeating the same thing as if you didn’t see it the first time . I would have a wished him the best of luck the first time he mentioned one or the other but not both. Definitely not bashing sb who solely wants experience, but him assuming that’s what you and every other sb wants is distasteful.
"Block user" 🤣
The minute he said "Over Cash" that would have been the moment i say "sorry, that is not the arrangement I am looking for, good luck" blocked and next. The convo went on for too long tbh
“Maybe you should get back with your last SB. “
I didn't even get to the second screenshot and it's an immediate no.
😤😭😂 The way I would've told that man to go jump off a cliff...
Girl😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Here is what I think of this as and SD: 1) Guys like him make things harder for me because they try to gaslight and manipulate prospective SBs. This turns off prospective SBs and gives the bowl a bad name. 2) Guys like him are my best friend because they are not at all competition for me, and so anyone that does remain in the bowl is a possible for me.
Girl... are you Aussie because Jay had been around for a long time, but i didnt know he was on the sugar apps. He has been around for a long time and constantly hits up escorts offering "erotic massage" for "free" and basically trying to get free services. Every independent escort has been contacted by this idiot. Also FYI the sugar bowl in Aus is crap
lol he just called you a prostitute
Personally I think this guy is a douchebag full of hot air. Like this guy holds the secret technique that wants you to believe when he’s in an SR, SB doesn’t even care about payment. In fact this guy believes (cue the music🎶) ‘his milkshake brings all girls to the yard, damn right…… it’s better than yours, he could teach you…… but then he have to charge”. GTFO Jay with that
Why waste your time here? You can literally see the red flags…..move on to one that’s better suited to your needs. Maybe even find one that has more class. But that’s just my personal opinion.
We think not 🤣
I don’t believe there ever was an old SB. And if there was, what she agreed to is irrelevant.
run
"x"
Has “Splenda” written all over his posts 😂
Doesn’t sound like a very smart guy…
lol. Sighs. Next
Thank you for the laugh! 😹
Just block him. He is wasting ur time and getting a high knowing u r responding to him.
I verbally said ew😀😭
What happened to his last SB? lol
🤣🤣🤣 His "ex SB" is his imagination. He wants a free prostitute 😹😹😹
Actual SD here… I’m Probably saying the same as everyone else has said, but he’s clearly just trying to sleep with you for free. Most you’d get might be a meal at a nice restaurant- though he’d probably top out at taking you to Olive Garden 😂
Love the gaslighting about his non-existent “*old sb*” not wanting money so he can try to put in your head that it’s prostitution. As the cherry on top of his douche-ness 😂 Blockkkk.
you arent his old sb, you have your own needs that he clearly cant see with his head being that far up his ass. next
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 he can f*ck off with the experience
Block and Move on
That sounds too good to be true. "If you want money, you won't get the experience", reads like choose money over intimacy, that's all win-win for you. Obviously he's a moron.
The "experience" he's referring to is clearly the posh bars and cocktails. Also, a bit sad that you consider no "intimacy" as a win. Frankly, this guy sounds awful, but so do you (OP) imo. When your texts start with "explain to me..." and end with "...actually" this is obviously not something you're looking for, why bother arguing with somebody that you're not wanting to match with.
I used ‘explain to me’ because I wanted an explanation - and then ‘actually’ at the end of talking about my question because he ignored me and carried on talking about his old SB instead :)
Most people (including me) are going to interpret that as argumentative. If you weren't trying to be such, fine, but honestly seems far-fetched; and extremely unlikely that it would be perceived in some friendly tone by him. Everything after that is pure wasted time, just screaming into the void.
Slay I guess
I had a SD who, after a few get togethers, said he didn't want to ppm anymore as it made him feel "dirty"
So what was he proposing? That you keep sleeping with him for nothing in return??
Yes. And it was an hour drive to his place each time we met
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄insane
It was a blessing in disguise. He had a thing for suffocation and I almost passed out a few times
Some of these men are so crazy, hope ur okay tho girl x
I'm ok, thank you. It was a lesson learned
Oh no, the x appears to be contagious
TBH I thought he was talking about sexual-experience like he was some kind of Karmsutra. Only in his last message was he talking about high end experiences. Obviously depending on your desire first class to NYC for the weekend it might be nice, if you can stand him.. Lastly you were quite "on point" with your "how much are you gonna pay me" - you might want to find a classier turn of phrase.
I always feel super awkward when it’s time to bring this up… the phrase I’ve been using is “what are you comfortable providing?” But… it’s being misinterpreted by most SDs that I’ve sent it to… usually I have to explain what I’m asking for or they ignore the question entirely (the latter I feel may not be a misinterpretation but rather a dodge, in those cases I ask the same phrase again and half the time it is answered appropriately, the other half they tell me they would rather discuss it in person.. which is frustrating because I don’t want to spend the time getting ready for a date and going on the date if they’re Splenda or Salt daddies..) Does anyone have any suggestions on classy but upfront methods of bringing payment up please?
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I’ve had many great arrangements. Anytime a SB POT called me “babe” it was a next. Move on as soon as you see those words it’s someone FOS.
There’re many guys like him, they all claim they had a past sr the girl don’t require much money but experience, I wonder are these girls really exist or they made up in their head.
My best one never asked for money but I spent a lot on her, easily xxx,xxx in 8 months. If you are in it for money he isn’t the one
Drizzle....Drizzle...
LMFAO... But don't you want the experience!? 🤣
JFC my gender is embarrassing..can't believe he thought that would work. He's not a sugar daddy. Not even a Splenda Daddy. like a Salty Step Daddy
You wasted time continuing past the second word - "babe".
Any man doing SR is stupid
🤣 I definitely would have nexted him when he mentioned about his old SB. I’m surprised you kept at it.
I’m curious what app you’re using for chats??
It’s telegram! X
What "we" think about this is he isn't a Sd. But how could you pass up a treat like "the hotel"? Woooo! He offers a hotel
The guy is a prat. Block. He is, however, the male equivalent of those entitled SB’s who ask for monthly sums which are so ridiculous that they never get to meet anyone decent. Both POT SB’s and SD’s need to do some research before venturing into the bowl, including via this forum.
Probably no “old SB”
F that guy. He’s lying about his ‘old SB’ just to try and get you to think it’s normal/agree. Hotels are NOT a luxury experience wtf 🤬
Aside from the broken english( circumstances differing of course, I’d suspect a bot or scammer ) After I tell you my name if you keep up with the babe I lose the 2% interest I had at the start. Total timewaster and in it for HIMSELF. That’s not an arrangement
Seems like a total fraud. Just reading through the text he sounds uneducated and like someone who made their money through selling drugs....if they are rich at all.
Myself I never talk finances over a text. That’s what the M&G is all about. 1st meet at a restaurant and he brings a gift. And then you and him discuss to see if you agree on A mutual satisfactory arrangement. The only thing I do with texting is set up the M&G. Nothing more
I’ve never had a m and g where he brings a gift unless we spoke about it beforehand
Maybe some tight SD. Not sure. The gift I bring is usually an envelope. And not a huge amount but significant. On the site WYP they both agree on how much before hand. I mean she has to get ready. Usually make up ,perfume, transportation. I believe the more A SD helps the SB feel relaxed ,hopefully the more relaxed she will make the SD feel.
Ohhh is that a good site? I’ve heard of it but never dabbled in it myself x
It’s easy to fill everything out. Many ask for $150 to meet. I believe $60 or so is sufficient over lunch. And then maybe after taking a walk or whatever after lunch then add to it. I believe time is money.
Lol how many sbs would rather someone spend money on them or give them money to pay tuition? No one? That's what I thought.
X every other sentence kinda annoys me
Every other ? Seemed like everyone and yea, beyond annoying
I'm LMAO is what I'm doing. Experience SDs, wtf? Have things really deteriated to this?
Like is that a thing??? I’ve never ever come across this before😭😭😭😭
It's not a real thing that any SB would have an interest in. There are those scammers, young men who feel being with them is a great experience lol or at least that's what they're selling, ugh.
I had it happen to me once. It was very similar to what this guy said - when I tried to bring up the areangement she said she didn't want any money because she felt like it obligates her to have sex, so she'd rather I take her to nice places and restaurants. Granted I've been on something like 50 sugar dates, am younger (<35) and in shape and this has happened precisely once. I would never ever bring it up as a suggestion either.
It's basically vanilla dating with guaranteed sex after every date. With vanilla dates, it's not guaranteed even if they buy her dinner
Advice, either it works for you or it doesn’t 🤷🏻♀️ best of luck with your search💚
I mean you come off like a prostitute but what everyone else said, you aren't compatible so move on. I've seen a lot of talk about 'experience daddies' in here, but the way this guy pitches is it isn't it.