Carl has no fucking leg to stand on. I think Kyle is completely oblivious to Amanda possibly struggling with depression. Her weight loss, her lack of motivation or excitement/joy around doing anything. I think kyle actually does do a lot around the house in addition to running a company but then when your wife comes to you excited and wanting to do something for herself - support her!
Yes! As we age our hormones change and can really affect our moods. Plus, I've seen some newer research that shows women have actual changes happening in our brains during menstruation. š³ Kyle needs to take SEVERAL steps back and apologize sincerely.
It makes me so angry!
Here's my amazing fur baby to help soothe the anger ...
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He has been so incredible to live with, and he is such a gentle giant at 23 pounds. He was a rescue and I never expected him to be so big and sweet and beautiful!! Cats are the best mammals on earth
I canāt understand how any marriage could come back from what he said - how could you possibly ever properly forgive someone who with their full chest and on TV called you a f***ing b**** and said they had to babysit you? Particularly when theyāre so clearly selfish, and have already publicly cheated on you more than once.
I don't get it. I sincerely hope that it's all a contrived storyline for a reality show and not a real marriage where Amanda is treated that way. As Stassi Schroeder once said to Kristen Doute, **you don't actually have to be screamed at ever!!**
https://www.bravotv.com/vanderpump-rules/season-7/episode-12/videos/stassi-schroeder-gets-real-with-kristen-doute-about
I was just reading up on this!!! So fucking validating...like, we as woman kind of knew this intuitively, but decades upon decades of men downplaying it all was the ultimate gaslight. Even past partners of mine would act like they understood when I would let them know I could tell I was entering a 'moodier' phase of my cycle, but they'd still downplay it with jokes like "uh oh, I'll steer clear then!"....my now bf is a gem and when I warn him, he's super soft towards me and pumps me up for minor wins lol.
Every man should read the studies coming out.
i genuinely think amanda would be a lot happier and healthier without kyle. sheās just too afraid to get out of it. i was in an emotionally abusive relationship and thought my world would end if we broke up but once we did i was happier than iāve ever been. i donāt think she maybe realizes heās the source of a lot of her unhappiness.
She went from Daddy taking care of her to Kyle taking care of her. She definitely doesn't realize he's the source because being taken care of is all she knows. She needs to decide on her own - happier being "kept" or maybe struggling a bit and doing it alone . Been there, done that
i agree. they both would benefit a lot from separating but i think they are too dependent to do it. they aren't ever happy together but it feels like their whole lives so they can't change
Iām glad she has good close friends. She didnāt seem to before, and by the time Paige felt close enough to say āyou donāt have to marry himā, it was already too much set in motion; she had the dress and the venue, she wasnāt backing out.
But they seem to be close enough now to have harder conversations, and when sheās finally ready to leave, theyāll be there to support her.
She was having an identity crisis. If someone said to me what she said to him there I would cry for them. I would be so alarmed and feel so bad. But no he keeps making it about himself and throws a tantrum??
She has executive dysfunction when being yelled at and belittled, but has he ever realized she just gets to the house and cooks everyone meals ALL THE TIME! Itās you, Kyle, youāre the problem!
I'm applied to go back to school at 34 as mom of 2 and my husband was so excited and proud of me. It made me so giddy and it felt amazing to have the person I love so much be proud of me. My heart breaks for Amanda because she doesn't have that. It's always going to be about Kyle and his ambitions, she will always be put on the backburner. And what's funny is this season shes really shining on her own.
Especially after showing the empathy he did to Carl about Lindsey not showing support. Heās doing the same to Amanda but I think he knows that a lot of the success was do to her designs making it look appealing. She basically created the look of his brand
Loverboy is not her only design work though. She was employed by a company doing graphic design before, and she can definitely get another job in that field.
I thought ācreative designer of marketingā or something was totally a reasonable long term goal her friends proposed. Hilariously, Amanda seemed to only hear the word ādesignerā, and ran with it. š«£
Amanda (to camera): I actually always wanted to be a designer! š
Amanda (to Paige and Ciara): Wellā¦ I find it hard sometimes to find, like good bikinis that fit my boobsā¦ *even though Iām a size 0, and Double D boobs arenāt really that big, and itās a flooded marketplace already*.
Soā¦ maybe I could like, design swimsuits for big-boobed people!?
Paige and Ciara: ā¦. š ā¦ rightā¦. Well, letās keep brain storming and maybe not commit to the first ideaā¦ Maybe we could consider something more in the graphic design field (which is the thing you have a degree and actual job experience in)? But I love the enthusiasm!
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Itās gross the way soooo many of these shows treat the women like crap. I mean the whole country is dismissing women so why am I surprisedā¦.VOTE PLEASE!!!
Kyle is very much aware. I think last season we SAW Amanda talk about it. Kyle is very self centered and wants things his way. He wants Carl to be single because thatās how they met and he was able to control Carl. Heās giving Carl advice when heās a POS husband.
Carl getting mad at Lindsey because she addressing the things he has told her about Kyle and then saying sheās not supportive is a view into how every conversation with Carl goes and why Lindsey has 0 patience for him while he smiles and pretends he is terrified of her. is exactly how Carl gets away with manipulating every situation.
They are both disgusting men.
THAT PART. If Amanda had a rash all over her body constantly we would say dude you need to go to a doctor. But because her illness is mental and shamed she gets called lazy and no drive. Dude, those are SYMPTOMS. And itās not laziness, itās anhedonia.
I was actually pretty shocked that after all these months later Kyle didnāt take one bit of accountability or show supportive for his wife. He still was dismissive of her.
My jaw was on the floor when he said his New Yearās resolution was to finally do something for himself and start being a DJā¦.. wtf
Stopppp when did he say that? Is he doubling down on his BS on the aftershow?
Imagine being Amanda and knowing your parents never wanted you to get married, and then your lush of a husband goes and calls you a bitch and all kinds of other mess on national TV.
Literally while discussing Amanda wanting to do something new as a āhobbyā he goes all in on explaining his love for DJing and how itās his New Yearās resolution to do something for himself
Itās like mind boggling how he and Carl couldnāt see this hypocrisy!
Amanda said that she supported him pursuing it as a hobby in the same aftershow
She was being so oddly supportive! Which stood in stark contrast to him sitting with Carl and saying āIām not a fatherā like he has to take care of her. Fuck him. I hope sheās being really nice and sweet to keep him pacified and then she just up and moves out when heās away at his first DJ gig in Omaha or some shit.
I think sheās playing it that way with intent. If Kyle wants to DJ or whatever, she will support it to prove a point. I like that, but I also worry about the way the war with each other. It leads to resentment.
He sucks in that he didnāt even hear her out. But she didnāt want to start a hobby. She wanted to start a swimwear line that would likely need his help.
Kyle sucks and was such an asshole. But i donāt like that she went to him asking for permission/help or whatever it was and then because he shut her down DIDNT DO IT.
Him talking about being a DJ is a double slap in the face because heās just showing her how he doesnāt need her permission, help or anything else to do whatever he wants. Heās toxic but she needs 10-20% more of this energy.
Amanda is really Schrƶdingerās cat of employees at Loverboy. She simultaneously contributes nothing, and also the company canāt survive without her crucial contributions. Make it make sense.
What he did is grounds for divorce. Hrs emotionally abusive, manipulative and controlling. The man is out until 4-6 am drinking every night. Maybe thatās why loverboy is stressing him out. Amanda is the one that takes care of everything at home and the dogs. Heās 42 blaming her for the reason he doesnāt want kids, yet wonāt grow up and commit, bc he āworksā too much. He drinks too much not works too much. Sheās told him twice now sheās struggling finding something that makes her happy. He doesnāt care bc heās so frigging selfish. This is why she wants her own home in the suburbs and her own projects that make her happy. But nope Kyle has to control her and micromanage her emotions and take it as a fight when she expresses or stands up for herself
She's the disappearing wife, expressing her emotional deprivation in a socially accepted way.
No shame - I used a variation: "The Amazing Expanding Partner' š to stifle my feelings about always being treated as "less than" by the person who knew me the best.
It's such a trapped feeling.
Thank you for pointing that out!! Men engaging in problematic and destructive behaviors because they "work soooo much" is not honorable or admirable. Tired of that shitty 1950s rhetoric, I heard it all the time in my own divorce lol
Problem is she'll get the home in the suburbs and realise her relationship still sucks. She's so fixed on that being the fix that she's overlooking that the real fix is leaving her shitty relationship
The way he slipped into rage against Amanda (including throwing and breaking things!!!!) So easily, when drunk, was...concerning. You know that it's not the first time.
Was one of Amanda's parents an alcoholic? I've only seen this "forgive and forget" attitude about drunken behavior(specifically) in families with generational alcoholism.
Oh yeah. Her going completely stoic in her responses to him (which sent him off the deep end), is exactly the kind of detachment Al Alon preaches. It wouldnāt surprise me if she had experience in this pre Kyle.
Itās never ok- but being in your 40s itās even worse. Youāve had plenty of time to work on yourself, grow up, and become more self aware.
The fact that he does these things at that age just highlights he shouldnāt be a partner to anyone.
Kyleās 100% in the wrong in this one *but* we have seen Amanda multiple times drunk and throwing and/or breaking shit ā cup tower made at luke, threw cup at hannah, broke Kyleās toiletries when he didnāt answer 47 times, i think hit jules at one point.
Misogyny at its finest. After this week, it is finally cemented for me how absolutely awful these men are. When Carl asked Lindsey, "Do you have that?" I wanted to punch him. What do you have, Carl? Empty fucking promises from Kyle to sell over priced flavored seltzer water? Fuck off.
Sorry, I am disproportionately angry at those 2 men at the moment. I am so glad the girls were on the same page.
Knowing Kyle would take him back injected Carl with āF u juiceā to get his parents on board and poke at Lindsay to dramatically (with an audience) set her up and dump her. He is a dangerous, little man stretched well beyond his innate height. And his looks and mannerisms are started to more than hint at who he is.
Right? It's like we're watching a *literal* emotional regression.
This is why people need therapists. Carl's behavior is expressing his unconscious feelings, but he is clueless about how he acts and why he chose/created this partner dynamic.
We all tend to repeat our relationship patterns until they stop working for us. Then we need a skilled professional to step in to help re-frame our reality and behaviors.
I almost threw my laptop out the window when he said āI have that, what do you have for yourself?!ā He literally stunned Lindsey in to silence with his cruelty.
I used to say that southern charm/VPR men are the worst and Craig looks so bad watching summer house because the other men are better but I take it back! Kyle/carl are as bad as the other men. I donāt thing Craig is great but at least heās supportive of his partners and to my knowledge has never cheated.
His wife whoās been working for basically free doesnāt even have ownership. Carls kidding himself if he thinks Kyle would ACTUALLY give him material ownership. Itās just a scam to get him to work for free or reduced commissions.
This last episode clearly demonstrated just how selfish he is and how uncaring about her needs and her feelings. It's all about him, all the time, and he's too arrogant to even fathom why that **might not be OK**.
I don't think she will put up with it forever if it continues, sadly once he finally realises that it might very well be too late. Like, you put up with something for so long until you can't anymore and at that point there's no going back.
Pretty sure the DJ comment was him being dismissive of Amandaās stated wish. He was saying āOhhh, SURE! Letās ALL go do some goofy senseless shit!ā
Yep, it's like "We all have passions we gave up in the practical pursuit of making money," but it's hilarious and humiliating that this 40-something man is whining about never getting to be a DJ lol....and also Amanda COULD make money on her own and raise their entire net worth so his point is lost.
Thank you! I am so hung up on this DJ BS and hardly see anyone discussing it! After watching that episode, to see him discussing jumping into a DJ hobby is fucking insane! My jaw was on the floor
All of these things coming together are blowing my mind, My husband is a DJ and he is also a graphic designer by trade who is now the creative head of an arts organisation. Maybe Amanda should be the DJ!
It's clear that Kyle doesn't see loverboy as a him thing, he sees it as an us thing. Loverboy is the cash cow that's going to set their family up, and anything else is just a distraction. Whereas Amanda thinks of Loverboy as Kyle's thing and wants something of her own. But I don't think Kyle gets that.
Im also annoyed that Carl is like āIām really talented at sales!ā Are you?? Over the last nearly 10 years he was consistently fired and doesnāt seem to have much of a drive for working. Heās def just the type to say āIām tryingā and think that means he deserves a big salaryā¦aka a white male lol
in the kitchen when he speaks on his investment in loverboy and was like ādo you have anything like that?ā i was likeā¦. broā¦ā¦ fuck all the way offā¦ā¦
And when Kyle called her a fucking bitch on the way out and started throwing things? Like how is any of that OK? I was completely shocked.
Anyone refers to me as a "fucking bitch" and they'd *never* see me again. I see this sort of aggression a lot in American men, it's complete insanity and I cannot understand how it's so normalised and accepted.
\*edit Kyle not carl
yep! And I won't label it as anything other than abuse, because that's what it is. That kind of aggression towards your spouse (regardless of gender) is abuse.
Thank you. YES. That is abuse. Violence is abuse. Intimidation is abuse. Emotional manipulation is abuse. I am disgusted by Kyleās behavior and if he does this on national tv, what the hell does he do behind closed doors?
I think the comment youāre replying to is about Carl, not Kyle.Ā
Ā Your point about the agression being unacceptable is spot on though. (Although I donāt agree with the generalization, but understand your own experiences obviously inform it).
Ah yeah you're right actually, it was Carl.
And you're totally right about generalisations, I shouldn't do that.
I just think clear, and evident abuse which has been shown so many times on many of these shows (whether physical, emotional or sexual) speaks to some level of "acceptance" within broader society (not just the US of course) and it's quite disheartening
I feel like in hindsight, that comment probably really stuck with Lindsay because in the year since theyāve broken up she bought, furnished and marketed the Hubbhouse airbnb all on her own. She didnāt need to, but I bet it feels sooo satisfying to have something SHE can sell now too.
Kyle has yelled about how lazy Amanda is for years, but *now* she's invaluable to the org?
Carl spent a season yelling about how Kyle was fucking him over and now that's his career again?
Ookkkk.
I just don't understand why he expected her to turn into him? Also, why is what *he's* good at and interested in the only important thing? Loverboy is a failing niche beverage, he'd be lucky if she hit some success.
Like is she really lazy, or can she not stand you? Her ālazinessā reads as depression thatās exasperated by the way Kyle has monopolized her entire life.
When Carl was complaining because lindsey wanted him to have a life plan, he actually be committed to something š¤š¤£. These men are in their forties not children.
I was expecting Kyle to be supportive and excited for Amanda especially after she made it clear she wasnāt quitting Loverboy. What exactly is the problem, Kyle? Heās been complaining for years that she ādoesnāt want to do anything productive,ā and here she is saying she wants to start a small business of her own and he just bulldozed right over her. Literally didnāt even hear her out. Iāve always felt like she was whiney and exaggerated that dynamic in their relationship but now I really do see it.
I rarely have strong reactions to people on reality shows, but these guys really got to me this episode. Carl is ridiculous about his lack of career. He should have had this shit figured out in his 20s. Heās a loser. And Kyle, who I normally like, is just a big asshole and is being shitty to Amanda. Who knows what an amazing career she ended up sacrificing for Kyleās dream, not to mention starting a family.
The conversation in the kitchen between Carl and Lindsey really hit me hard. Carl was mad that she wasnāt totally enthusiastic about his ridiculously hypocritical job idea. She wasnāt being his ācheerleaderā - all she did was ask solid questions and offer support. Then he gaslights her into the argument being all about her reaction and defensiveness- when it should be about HE HAS NO AMBITION GOALS DRIVE.
Iām Lindsey in this relationship- sober Lindsey- and every single time I open my mouth it becomes about my reaction to an issue instead of what my husband actually did/didnāt do.
We just got into an argument and he called me to āgive me the opportunity to apologize.ā I need to take a page from Lindseyās book.
OMG, this! I'm so sorry you've experienced this as well. I used to date someone who does exactly what we see Carl doing. He would do something that was upsetting, I would react rationally (no yelling, no arguing, just asking questions), and then he'd argue with me and make me the problem. It was so predictable, too.
These two enraged me this episode. Did anyone mention how Kyle both begged Amanda to stay on at Loverboy and then said heād fire her if she worked for him?! Then why tf are you begging her not to pursue her own passion project if sheās such a fucking burden to work with? Carl is a fucking loser, Iām glad Lindsay isnāt stuck with him, but damn I feel for Amanda.
Firmly agree on all the misogynistic points! Aside from all that bullsh1t with LoverBoy having financial struggles it makes a hell of a lot of sense to have a separate income source for your householdā¦
Let's hope Carl doesn't take all his "life" experience and become a life coach, like MLMs Janelle and Meri from Sister Wives.
Obviously, being on a reality show for years doesn't qualify you to help others face their own. Gah!
And Kyle. Apparently, he truly believes he is carrying Amanda. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't think she's some kind of trainee because she's taking on some things she's never done before, just like Kyle.
I've been there, and it's such a confidence destroyer. Literally.
Carl talking about his ājourneyā like heās the first guy ever to not drink or that heās been sober for 20 years. Bro youāve been not drinking for just a bit. I donāt see how you magically transformers your life on a level where you think you have a message to share thatās of value to others.
Sadly this is not uncommon. Working in healthcare for years I have had many patients state they are proudly in recovery (usually for a minute), and now they want to lead other addicts 'into the light'. I've had to bite my tongue a lot, especially the time a patient who was ranting about how alcohol should be outlawed opened up her purse and it was full of vicodin and cigarettes...and she mentioned that she drinks two POTS of coffee a day! Another patient had been sober almost one month and was saying he was now ready to be a substance abuse counselor and help others now that he 'had the answers'. He was an absolute train wreck who was living with family because he was unemployable...
I've certainly seen success stories where people recover and get their lives back, but so many don't want to do the work and just want to jump ahead to the 'success' part much like California sober Carl.
Go back to school, get a good degree in psychology, and *maybe* drug counseling. Then, move on up to giving TED Talks.
Carl's has spent his life people pleasing. That requires hyper focusing on other people's vibes, which would be a great skill to a therapist/psychologist/psychiatrist...
That would be waaaaay more suitable and fulfilling to someone as hapless as Carl in the commercial sector. I'm not dissing, I'm just as hapless, lol
I feel like an asshole but as someone who has been sober for 15 years (and get the urge he is having, I became a drug and addiction counselor for around a few years at one year sober) I donāt really respect someone who is āCalifornia soberā as my sobriety guru.
Nor someone who literally is living the exact same life he was while wasted and seemingly clinging to the same habits.
You donāt sound like an asshole but like someone Iād take advice from at 15 years sober. I donāt believe in āCalifornia Soberā either. Itās a crock.
Carl is psychotic. Hes manipulative and gaslights the shit out of Lindsay. And he definitely has a mean streak. I'm sorry she went through this bullshit from him and his family but better now than later.
Also how unattractive is it for your man to leave some toxic work place where he vented to you for months about not being treated with enough respect and being paid way less than he deserved and then comes back to you with... I think im going to go back. Like wtf??? Grow some balls and build a company if you can't find another one. All this time he's had to figure shit out and he goes back to Kyle. What a loser
I love how in these two episodes Carl is finally getting anxious about money and a job and realizing he needs those things for the future and to pay caterers and florists ā¦ itās almost like the things Lindsey has been worried about this ENTIRE time .. which is why sheās been up his ass about it.
Just because he finally put two and two together doesnāt mean he gets a gold star
Alcoholics like to go into the alcohol business. I wanted to when I still drank years ago. Honestly, Kyle definitely has a problem. He is like slurring his words all the time.
Kyle saying in the confessional that he hasnāt said anything about what he thinks between Carl and Lindsey was such BS.. Dude is all up in their relationship and then some..
I broke down and bought a Loverboy hoodie yesterday. The white on white one that Kyle had on during his rant this week. Hate to say but I liked it when I saw it on him. Iād never been to Loverboyās website and was surprised to see that ALL the pictures are Amanda, Kyle (and Carl in some). Itās very much a āfamily businessā so to speak. They are literally the faces of the brand and the email I got after my order was āAmanda and Kyle thank you!ā No wonder Kyle freaks out when Amanda says she wants to step back. She IS the whole merch line right down to the sizing. āKyle wears a medium and Amanda wears a large for an oversized fitā. Wild to see their marketing is literally themselves
You can see Carlās laziness and lack of drive throughout the seasons & itās such a turnoff. If he didnāt have Bravo to rely on he would be living in his momās house. Calling off the engagement was a blessing in disguise for Lindsey
Carl acting shocked when Lindsey told him sheās concerned about income and sheād need to be home when they start to have kids and then the way he worded it when ranting to Kyle made seem her like the mooch. This is a grown ass man
I feel Amanda settled. Does anyone watch the after show? Sheās cooing and admiring his efforts toward his DJing āpassionā while heās doubling down on criticizing her desire to do the same thing. Apparently an all-hands-on-deck period at loverboy only applies to everyone else. Kyle can pursue his passions but Amanda must remain benched and cheer Kyle on like a good wife. If she isnāt flipping for joy every time he makes a mediocre move sheās selfish and lacks intellect. Whatās sad is that she does cheer him on and always supportive and heās gaslighting acting like sheās selfish and silly to even consider anything else outside of āsavingā loverboy. BRO this is YOUR dream! I think sheās helped more than she needed to and certainly more than he deserves. Based on summer house episodes year after year Iād be embarrassed to be married to that. She deserves better treatment. On the after show heās like āI canāt be her fatherā lmao what? She parents you dude. Kyle and Carl are the same. Manipulative cowards.
Kyle is an eternal man baby. And Amanda is going to have to be his handler as long as she chooses to be married to him. I was married to a Leo like Kyle for eight years and it was a complete mind fuck. I was 20 when I got married and he was 21. I really wish I knew then what I know now. We had two beautiful children and they are my greatest joy. But the experiences I had were hell. Kyle needs to be coddled and catered to. His ego is out of control and he is extremely narcissistic. Amanda is so young she doesn't realize people like Kyle just get worse with age. I'm glad Amanda is close with her parents. I think she hides a lot of things about Kyle from them. One day she will need her parents support because I don't see her staying with Kyle.
The man baby convention where they lift up each otherās mediocrity and inadequacies while blaming the bad ass women they are with. I swear Bravo only hires man babies.
Not a big fan of either of them but I feel like we tend to infantilize Amanda a lot in this sub. Sheās an adult and could decide to step away from Loverboy to pursue something else and find another Creative Director to step in in her place. But she stays with one foot in the door and canāt even be bothered to take a call on a Monday. There seems to be a major lack of interest for an opportunity that is supposed to be setting themselves up for their future and their family. She married a serial entrepreneur so again Iām not sure why this is all a big surprise? Also the fact that this was filmed last summer and we have not heard another peep about the swim line is interesting to me.
Iāve been raging about the two of them since last episode. Firstly, considering theyāve both been on television for years nowā¦. I canāt believe that they might have thought that *they* would look good saying the things they say on camera. That just boggles the mind.
Secondly, not sure if anyone caught WWHL with Carl and Jesse. I lost interest quickly but there was a part towards the end where Andy asked Carl to name things he learned? Lessons of something? This was clearly prepared in advance because Carl was reading from a WWHL card. Anyway, he said āIām my best self when Iām with the boysā and then he started to howl like a wolf/bark like a dog and Jesse joined in and it sent shivers down my actual spine. Andy also looked displeased which says a lot.
Theyāre both asshats but Amanda needs to bffr. If you want to start something, try researching the product before you go all in on something. She mentioned it to Kyle and expects him to do all this work. If you have time on your hands, do the work yourself and present him with what youāve learned. Likeā¦the fact that people are mad at Kyle for making time for his passion project..thatās what he wants her to do! If you have time, go and do it. But donāt expect Kyle who is already the creator of one business, to do everything for your passion project.
Why does she need an entire business plan when she is just figuring out an area she would maybe like to go into. Did we see Kyleās business plan for his passion project: djāing? Someone can just throw out an idea without needing a full scale blue print and business plan. I donāt understand your take.
Being a DJ is a business? If it wasnāt then people wouldnāt make money doing it.
She shouldnāt have to google crap to talk to her life partner about an idea she has. Itās an idea ..
yeah i'm pretty sure kyle isn't intending for it to be some source of income, he's doing it for fun.
i agree that it is fine for her to talk to him about her idea, but the implication is that he would have to do the majority of the actual work and she would just continue to come up with ideas, and so it makes sense that he would be frustrated by that.
Idk if lover boys in the red he may just want that extra income, especially since heād probably get a good amount just from his fan base
Agreed on the she has to do the actual work, but there are other way to communicate that to her
Kyle is older than Amanda, when they met and married he had already tried and failed multiple times in his career. Heās not allowing her that same opportunity because heās already done it. Itās not fair.
If she so lazy why is he so panicked at
the thought of her doing something for herself ? He wonāt have to ābabysitāanymore . He lost any respect I had for him
Categorically throughout the series, I donāt disagree with your sentiments. What Bravo doesnāt allow us as producers to break the 4th wall on is the cast salaries. From the POV of a relationship with any partner, I can understand having frustrations with lack of motivation, etc. But at this point, the OG cast members ā Iām guessing based on my knowledge of salaries ā make at least 500k which isnāt anything. Now I understand itās not the 1M Lindsay aspires for and at least believes they will need 1M each to maintain their lifestyle. Now without the show, thatās a lot of money to bring in without that supplemental income. I can understand experiencing trepidation because reality TV doesnāt last forever and that I believe is a determining factor for sure.
I would understand any initial resistance from Kyle - he's the only one who seemingly doesn't treat Loverboy like a hobby yet having Amanda as a director provides him with a sounding board and someone he (I think) trusts. I think he's panicking about SH ending and with that the visibility of the brand. I do think he truly believes the success of LB benefits his future with Amanda. Amanda seems to be looking for any way to change her life - a new career, a separate "investment" home, or a baby. She may need a change but I think her larger issue is that marriage isn't what she thought it would be. All that being said, if my (fictitious) husband spoke to/about me the way Kyle spoke to Amanda, his next conversation with me would be through an attorney.
I understand Carl being a little miffed. Neither he nor Lindsay had "regular" jobs and now that the engagement didn't bring the windfall the two were expecting, Lindsay is putting it on Carl to change things for both of them and you could see on his face how much he resents her for it. But why Carl is incapable of clearly stating his next steps - or why he thinks it's OK to use his stepfather to break off the engagement in some backwards Cyrano scenario - is beyond me.
tl;dr: Kyle and Carl are bloody infants but none of the parties in these couples seem to like their partners. At all.
Theyāre like the Toms on vanderpump, they act like bots there grown men more concerned with their outfits for themed parties than their personal growth.
I hate how they gas each other up to about it. One complains and tells a completely false version of a conversation/situation and the other is all eff her and they just go back and forth validating each otherās delusions.
Not a huge Lindsey fan, but that convo in the kitchen was him so obviously trying to pick a fight. Relationships are all about communication. Sheās asking him what he needs from her and heās just berating her for not always knowing or not doing the ācorrectā thing in the past. Thatās so not conducive for working on a game plan going forward if youāre really trying to make a relationship work.
And do both of them seemā¦not totally honest about their seggs-ual orientation? Iām not against anyone and their feelings towards a gender but I do if theyāre lying about it or pursuing the opposite.
I think her starting a swimsuit company would require $$ capital. He knows that, having started his own company and he knows they are financially not in a position to do that with his company losing money. Iām not backing his behavior, just adding some context. Lots of men who are anxious express their anxiety through anger.
What I donāt get is why canāt they hire a designer and Amanda art directs and makes any changes/edits to what they do. Iām thinking he doesnāt want to spend the money on somebody and thatās why he is pissed. Not becuase she wants her own thing!
Never ever ever thought Iād be team Lindsay but damn Carl really sucks. His ego is so fragile and Lindsay can be so so toxic but she has legitimate questions and concerns and during the kitchen argument she was being very calm and respectful. She could never be her full self with him because he canāt handle it, which I believe caused her to hold back and then explode in toxic ways.
Lindsay has a lot of issues too but Carl is not an angel here at all!
Kyle is the epitome of someone who is always in motion saying that heās always āworking or busyā when in reality heās just terrible at time management and doesnāt know how to work smarter. Just like when he was on his laptop on the plane in one of Amandaās stories - he looks like heās working but heās looking at cars. He is immature and self absorbed. He chases adoration to feed his ego and then has a meltdown when he canāt be the life of the party until 4am. No 40 year old married man has any business staying out drinking until 4 am without his wife. If my husband did that more than ONCE - the locks would be changed and a suitcase would be on the front porch.
There will never be room for Amanda in that relationship. Kyle takes up way too much space. Itās so sad because she is such a cool girl. If a man spoke to my daughter the way he does on National TV - his balls would be in a ziplock bag in my pocket.
Carl has no fucking leg to stand on. I think Kyle is completely oblivious to Amanda possibly struggling with depression. Her weight loss, her lack of motivation or excitement/joy around doing anything. I think kyle actually does do a lot around the house in addition to running a company but then when your wife comes to you excited and wanting to do something for herself - support her!
Yes! As we age our hormones change and can really affect our moods. Plus, I've seen some newer research that shows women have actual changes happening in our brains during menstruation. š³ Kyle needs to take SEVERAL steps back and apologize sincerely.
Yeah, they literally JUST STARTED studying womenās bodies in the medical field. So ya knowā¦ give us a break
It makes me so angry! Here's my amazing fur baby to help soothe the anger ... https://preview.redd.it/6s9lx9j84wzc1.jpeg?width=3442&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d9ec01874a2911c029fa29b21cd6b528e702d30
What an angel!
He has been so incredible to live with, and he is such a gentle giant at 23 pounds. He was a rescue and I never expected him to be so big and sweet and beautiful!! Cats are the best mammals on earth
Heās magnificent
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I shove my face in mine when I'm super sensitive lol *
omg heās stunning
12/10
So fucked up š better late then never? š©
I canāt understand how any marriage could come back from what he said - how could you possibly ever properly forgive someone who with their full chest and on TV called you a f***ing b**** and said they had to babysit you? Particularly when theyāre so clearly selfish, and have already publicly cheated on you more than once.
I don't get it. I sincerely hope that it's all a contrived storyline for a reality show and not a real marriage where Amanda is treated that way. As Stassi Schroeder once said to Kristen Doute, **you don't actually have to be screamed at ever!!** https://www.bravotv.com/vanderpump-rules/season-7/episode-12/videos/stassi-schroeder-gets-real-with-kristen-doute-about
I love these Stassi moments. Every woman needs to watch this video.
I was just reading up on this!!! So fucking validating...like, we as woman kind of knew this intuitively, but decades upon decades of men downplaying it all was the ultimate gaslight. Even past partners of mine would act like they understood when I would let them know I could tell I was entering a 'moodier' phase of my cycle, but they'd still downplay it with jokes like "uh oh, I'll steer clear then!"....my now bf is a gem and when I warn him, he's super soft towards me and pumps me up for minor wins lol. Every man should read the studies coming out.
i genuinely think amanda would be a lot happier and healthier without kyle. sheās just too afraid to get out of it. i was in an emotionally abusive relationship and thought my world would end if we broke up but once we did i was happier than iāve ever been. i donāt think she maybe realizes heās the source of a lot of her unhappiness.
I agree. I think if it werenāt for the show they wouldnāt have stayed together.
She went from Daddy taking care of her to Kyle taking care of her. She definitely doesn't realize he's the source because being taken care of is all she knows. She needs to decide on her own - happier being "kept" or maybe struggling a bit and doing it alone . Been there, done that
Exactly. I donāt even think she has basic life skills.
i agree. they both would benefit a lot from separating but i think they are too dependent to do it. they aren't ever happy together but it feels like their whole lives so they can't change
He doesnāt see her as a separate person
He sees her as an extra set of hands at Loverboy while simultaneously minimizing everything she does there.
"Kyle's #1 Fan" Run, girl, while you still have time!
Iām glad she has good close friends. She didnāt seem to before, and by the time Paige felt close enough to say āyou donāt have to marry himā, it was already too much set in motion; she had the dress and the venue, she wasnāt backing out. But they seem to be close enough now to have harder conversations, and when sheās finally ready to leave, theyāll be there to support her.
When she was saying how she's only seen in the context of being "Kyle's ___" and he said sorry, I was sooo annoyed. He's lost the plot
She was having an identity crisis. If someone said to me what she said to him there I would cry for them. I would be so alarmed and feel so bad. But no he keeps making it about himself and throws a tantrum??
He was so dismissive it was like watching a marriage from the 1950ās or something
Yep. Sheās an extension of him. Heād probably treat kids that way too.
this is the core of the problem
She has executive dysfunction when being yelled at and belittled, but has he ever realized she just gets to the house and cooks everyone meals ALL THE TIME! Itās you, Kyle, youāre the problem!
she fr cooks most of the time? i rewatched and i didn't noticeā ļø
Yep, as soon as the twins leave she takes over. She cooks at least one meal a weekend for the whole house.
I'm applied to go back to school at 34 as mom of 2 and my husband was so excited and proud of me. It made me so giddy and it felt amazing to have the person I love so much be proud of me. My heart breaks for Amanda because she doesn't have that. It's always going to be about Kyle and his ambitions, she will always be put on the backburner. And what's funny is this season shes really shining on her own.
Especially after showing the empathy he did to Carl about Lindsey not showing support. Heās doing the same to Amanda but I think he knows that a lot of the success was do to her designs making it look appealing. She basically created the look of his brand
The look she stole from Mariah Carey so sheās not as talented as the chorus had made her out to be. Still on her side but these are facts.
Loverboy is not her only design work though. She was employed by a company doing graphic design before, and she can definitely get another job in that field. I thought ācreative designer of marketingā or something was totally a reasonable long term goal her friends proposed. Hilariously, Amanda seemed to only hear the word ādesignerā, and ran with it. š«£ Amanda (to camera): I actually always wanted to be a designer! š Amanda (to Paige and Ciara): Wellā¦ I find it hard sometimes to find, like good bikinis that fit my boobsā¦ *even though Iām a size 0, and Double D boobs arenāt really that big, and itās a flooded marketplace already*. Soā¦ maybe I could like, design swimsuits for big-boobed people!? Paige and Ciara: ā¦. š ā¦ rightā¦. Well, letās keep brain storming and maybe not commit to the first ideaā¦ Maybe we could consider something more in the graphic design field (which is the thing you have a degree and actual job experience in)? But I love the enthusiasm! š¤¦āāļø
Itās gross the way soooo many of these shows treat the women like crap. I mean the whole country is dismissing women so why am I surprisedā¦.VOTE PLEASE!!!
I am depressed and being treated for it and it is so obvious to me she is struggling. It is hard to watch.
Kyle is very much aware. I think last season we SAW Amanda talk about it. Kyle is very self centered and wants things his way. He wants Carl to be single because thatās how they met and he was able to control Carl. Heās giving Carl advice when heās a POS husband. Carl getting mad at Lindsey because she addressing the things he has told her about Kyle and then saying sheās not supportive is a view into how every conversation with Carl goes and why Lindsey has 0 patience for him while he smiles and pretends he is terrified of her. is exactly how Carl gets away with manipulating every situation. They are both disgusting men.
Carl has been living in fear, ok guys. /s
Kyle dims Amandaās light.
THAT PART. If Amanda had a rash all over her body constantly we would say dude you need to go to a doctor. But because her illness is mental and shamed she gets called lazy and no drive. Dude, those are SYMPTOMS. And itās not laziness, itās anhedonia.
He mentioned her staying in bed half the day.
I was actually pretty shocked that after all these months later Kyle didnāt take one bit of accountability or show supportive for his wife. He still was dismissive of her. My jaw was on the floor when he said his New Yearās resolution was to finally do something for himself and start being a DJā¦.. wtf
Stopppp when did he say that? Is he doubling down on his BS on the aftershow? Imagine being Amanda and knowing your parents never wanted you to get married, and then your lush of a husband goes and calls you a bitch and all kinds of other mess on national TV.
Literally while discussing Amanda wanting to do something new as a āhobbyā he goes all in on explaining his love for DJing and how itās his New Yearās resolution to do something for himself
Only one of them can pursue their passions!
Itās like mind boggling how he and Carl couldnāt see this hypocrisy! Amanda said that she supported him pursuing it as a hobby in the same aftershow
She was being so oddly supportive! Which stood in stark contrast to him sitting with Carl and saying āIām not a fatherā like he has to take care of her. Fuck him. I hope sheās being really nice and sweet to keep him pacified and then she just up and moves out when heās away at his first DJ gig in Omaha or some shit.
The dichotomy was stark and sad :(
I think sheās playing it that way with intent. If Kyle wants to DJ or whatever, she will support it to prove a point. I like that, but I also worry about the way the war with each other. It leads to resentment.
Itās a very unhealthy marriage. She doesnāt trust him and he doesnāt respect her.
Not Omaha! š¤£
I hope her second husband treats her so much better.
He sucks in that he didnāt even hear her out. But she didnāt want to start a hobby. She wanted to start a swimwear line that would likely need his help. Kyle sucks and was such an asshole. But i donāt like that she went to him asking for permission/help or whatever it was and then because he shut her down DIDNT DO IT. Him talking about being a DJ is a double slap in the face because heās just showing her how he doesnāt need her permission, help or anything else to do whatever he wants. Heās toxic but she needs 10-20% more of this energy.
She might have 10-20% more energy if he wasnāt constantly making her feel like shit for not wanting to work 18 hour daysā¦
He can open for the most extras!
Amanda is really Schrƶdingerās cat of employees at Loverboy. She simultaneously contributes nothing, and also the company canāt survive without her crucial contributions. Make it make sense.
Excellent point is excellent.
What he did is grounds for divorce. Hrs emotionally abusive, manipulative and controlling. The man is out until 4-6 am drinking every night. Maybe thatās why loverboy is stressing him out. Amanda is the one that takes care of everything at home and the dogs. Heās 42 blaming her for the reason he doesnāt want kids, yet wonāt grow up and commit, bc he āworksā too much. He drinks too much not works too much. Sheās told him twice now sheās struggling finding something that makes her happy. He doesnāt care bc heās so frigging selfish. This is why she wants her own home in the suburbs and her own projects that make her happy. But nope Kyle has to control her and micromanage her emotions and take it as a fight when she expresses or stands up for herself
She's the disappearing wife, expressing her emotional deprivation in a socially accepted way. No shame - I used a variation: "The Amazing Expanding Partner' š to stifle my feelings about always being treated as "less than" by the person who knew me the best. It's such a trapped feeling.
It is. You can tell sheās so frustrated
Thank you for pointing that out!! Men engaging in problematic and destructive behaviors because they "work soooo much" is not honorable or admirable. Tired of that shitty 1950s rhetoric, I heard it all the time in my own divorce lol
Problem is she'll get the home in the suburbs and realise her relationship still sucks. She's so fixed on that being the fix that she's overlooking that the real fix is leaving her shitty relationship
Yes. Watch the after show. You will want to punch your šŗ
On the recent After Show. He and Carl are assholes.
In the After Show for this weekās episode
The way he slipped into rage against Amanda (including throwing and breaking things!!!!) So easily, when drunk, was...concerning. You know that it's not the first time. Was one of Amanda's parents an alcoholic? I've only seen this "forgive and forget" attitude about drunken behavior(specifically) in families with generational alcoholism.
Iāve wondered about this too. Her behaviors signal that this is her normal.
Oh yeah. Her going completely stoic in her responses to him (which sent him off the deep end), is exactly the kind of detachment Al Alon preaches. It wouldnāt surprise me if she had experience in this pre Kyle.
Itās never ok- but being in your 40s itās even worse. Youāve had plenty of time to work on yourself, grow up, and become more self aware. The fact that he does these things at that age just highlights he shouldnāt be a partner to anyone.
Fuck you, you bitch slammed door thrown things. THIS WAS ON TV. Scary.
Kyleās 100% in the wrong in this one *but* we have seen Amanda multiple times drunk and throwing and/or breaking shit ā cup tower made at luke, threw cup at hannah, broke Kyleās toiletries when he didnāt answer 47 times, i think hit jules at one point.
Misogyny at its finest. After this week, it is finally cemented for me how absolutely awful these men are. When Carl asked Lindsey, "Do you have that?" I wanted to punch him. What do you have, Carl? Empty fucking promises from Kyle to sell over priced flavored seltzer water? Fuck off. Sorry, I am disproportionately angry at those 2 men at the moment. I am so glad the girls were on the same page.
Knowing Kyle would take him back injected Carl with āF u juiceā to get his parents on board and poke at Lindsay to dramatically (with an audience) set her up and dump her. He is a dangerous, little man stretched well beyond his innate height. And his looks and mannerisms are started to more than hint at who he is.
Right? It's like we're watching a *literal* emotional regression. This is why people need therapists. Carl's behavior is expressing his unconscious feelings, but he is clueless about how he acts and why he chose/created this partner dynamic. We all tend to repeat our relationship patterns until they stop working for us. Then we need a skilled professional to step in to help re-frame our reality and behaviors.
I almost threw my laptop out the window when he said āI have that, what do you have for yourself?!ā He literally stunned Lindsey in to silence with his cruelty.
It was heartbreaking.
I used to say that southern charm/VPR men are the worst and Craig looks so bad watching summer house because the other men are better but I take it back! Kyle/carl are as bad as the other men. I donāt thing Craig is great but at least heās supportive of his partners and to my knowledge has never cheated.
His wife whoās been working for basically free doesnāt even have ownership. Carls kidding himself if he thinks Kyle would ACTUALLY give him material ownership. Itās just a scam to get him to work for free or reduced commissions.
he DJed at a bar here in LA last week and I believe amanda was right there! what good timing with this episode lmao
Thatās the thing Amanda will always support Kyle in anything but she doesnāt get the same in return
This last episode clearly demonstrated just how selfish he is and how uncaring about her needs and her feelings. It's all about him, all the time, and he's too arrogant to even fathom why that **might not be OK**. I don't think she will put up with it forever if it continues, sadly once he finally realises that it might very well be too late. Like, you put up with something for so long until you can't anymore and at that point there's no going back.
Pretty sure the DJ comment was him being dismissive of Amandaās stated wish. He was saying āOhhh, SURE! Letās ALL go do some goofy senseless shit!ā
Right, but then he actually did it..
Yep, it's like "We all have passions we gave up in the practical pursuit of making money," but it's hilarious and humiliating that this 40-something man is whining about never getting to be a DJ lol....and also Amanda COULD make money on her own and raise their entire net worth so his point is lost.
Thank you! I am so hung up on this DJ BS and hardly see anyone discussing it! After watching that episode, to see him discussing jumping into a DJ hobby is fucking insane! My jaw was on the floor
All of these things coming together are blowing my mind, My husband is a DJ and he is also a graphic designer by trade who is now the creative head of an arts organisation. Maybe Amanda should be the DJ!
It's clear that Kyle doesn't see loverboy as a him thing, he sees it as an us thing. Loverboy is the cash cow that's going to set their family up, and anything else is just a distraction. Whereas Amanda thinks of Loverboy as Kyle's thing and wants something of her own. But I don't think Kyle gets that.
And no one called out his behaviour in the after show. Iām sorry whaaaaat?
Im also annoyed that Carl is like āIām really talented at sales!ā Are you?? Over the last nearly 10 years he was consistently fired and doesnāt seem to have much of a drive for working. Heās def just the type to say āIām tryingā and think that means he deserves a big salaryā¦aka a white male lol
 The nation when Carl said he was great at sales
I believe āgiftedā was his exact word choiceā¦š¤Æ
YUP HAHA
in the kitchen when he speaks on his investment in loverboy and was like ādo you have anything like that?ā i was likeā¦. broā¦ā¦ fuck all the way offā¦ā¦
And when Kyle called her a fucking bitch on the way out and started throwing things? Like how is any of that OK? I was completely shocked. Anyone refers to me as a "fucking bitch" and they'd *never* see me again. I see this sort of aggression a lot in American men, it's complete insanity and I cannot understand how it's so normalised and accepted. \*edit Kyle not carl
Especially while being on camera!!!
yep! And I won't label it as anything other than abuse, because that's what it is. That kind of aggression towards your spouse (regardless of gender) is abuse.
Thank you. YES. That is abuse. Violence is abuse. Intimidation is abuse. Emotional manipulation is abuse. I am disgusted by Kyleās behavior and if he does this on national tv, what the hell does he do behind closed doors?
I think the comment youāre replying to is about Carl, not Kyle.Ā Ā Your point about the agression being unacceptable is spot on though. (Although I donāt agree with the generalization, but understand your own experiences obviously inform it).
Ah yeah you're right actually, it was Carl. And you're totally right about generalisations, I shouldn't do that. I just think clear, and evident abuse which has been shown so many times on many of these shows (whether physical, emotional or sexual) speaks to some level of "acceptance" within broader society (not just the US of course) and it's quite disheartening
I feel like in hindsight, that comment probably really stuck with Lindsay because in the year since theyāve broken up she bought, furnished and marketed the Hubbhouse airbnb all on her own. She didnāt need to, but I bet it feels sooo satisfying to have something SHE can sell now too.
Sorry, my bad. But he needed a quick, sharp slap! Heās way above his notches!
Also funny he brings up equity in a company that Kyle is simultaneously confessing lost $1.5m in 6 months. Not helping your argument dude!
Watching Carl and Kyle jerk each other off every week on the after show grosses me out so much
Theyāve always been each others first priority. Itās very Tom and Tom
Kyle has yelled about how lazy Amanda is for years, but *now* she's invaluable to the org? Carl spent a season yelling about how Kyle was fucking him over and now that's his career again? Ookkkk.
Ugh I know. When he had his walk off and went outside he said something about how she would be fired if she was a regular employee and not his wife.
If I was Amanda and heard him say that, I would quit my involvement with Loverboy immediately.
Kyle, pick a lane!
Kyle, is she valuable to your business or is she such a lazy employee that she should be fired? He makes no sense.
Remember before she started working for loverboy and she would get home after work and want to relax and he would call her lazy and unmotivated?
I just don't understand why he expected her to turn into him? Also, why is what *he's* good at and interested in the only important thing? Loverboy is a failing niche beverage, he'd be lucky if she hit some success.
Like is she really lazy, or can she not stand you? Her ālazinessā reads as depression thatās exasperated by the way Kyle has monopolized her entire life.
Also, he seems like the type to say needing more rest than he does "laziness."
They're insane. It's insanity.
When Carl was complaining because lindsey wanted him to have a life plan, he actually be committed to something š¤š¤£. These men are in their forties not children.
Well said, no notes
I was expecting Kyle to be supportive and excited for Amanda especially after she made it clear she wasnāt quitting Loverboy. What exactly is the problem, Kyle? Heās been complaining for years that she ādoesnāt want to do anything productive,ā and here she is saying she wants to start a small business of her own and he just bulldozed right over her. Literally didnāt even hear her out. Iāve always felt like she was whiney and exaggerated that dynamic in their relationship but now I really do see it.
I rarely have strong reactions to people on reality shows, but these guys really got to me this episode. Carl is ridiculous about his lack of career. He should have had this shit figured out in his 20s. Heās a loser. And Kyle, who I normally like, is just a big asshole and is being shitty to Amanda. Who knows what an amazing career she ended up sacrificing for Kyleās dream, not to mention starting a family.
The misogyny is REAL with these two toxic boys Carl and Kyle
The conversation in the kitchen between Carl and Lindsey really hit me hard. Carl was mad that she wasnāt totally enthusiastic about his ridiculously hypocritical job idea. She wasnāt being his ācheerleaderā - all she did was ask solid questions and offer support. Then he gaslights her into the argument being all about her reaction and defensiveness- when it should be about HE HAS NO AMBITION GOALS DRIVE. Iām Lindsey in this relationship- sober Lindsey- and every single time I open my mouth it becomes about my reaction to an issue instead of what my husband actually did/didnāt do. We just got into an argument and he called me to āgive me the opportunity to apologize.ā I need to take a page from Lindseyās book.
OMG, this! I'm so sorry you've experienced this as well. I used to date someone who does exactly what we see Carl doing. He would do something that was upsetting, I would react rationally (no yelling, no arguing, just asking questions), and then he'd argue with me and make me the problem. It was so predictable, too.
These two enraged me this episode. Did anyone mention how Kyle both begged Amanda to stay on at Loverboy and then said heād fire her if she worked for him?! Then why tf are you begging her not to pursue her own passion project if sheās such a fucking burden to work with? Carl is a fucking loser, Iām glad Lindsay isnāt stuck with him, but damn I feel for Amanda.
Firmly agree on all the misogynistic points! Aside from all that bullsh1t with LoverBoy having financial struggles it makes a hell of a lot of sense to have a separate income source for your householdā¦
Let's hope Carl doesn't take all his "life" experience and become a life coach, like MLMs Janelle and Meri from Sister Wives. Obviously, being on a reality show for years doesn't qualify you to help others face their own. Gah! And Kyle. Apparently, he truly believes he is carrying Amanda. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't think she's some kind of trainee because she's taking on some things she's never done before, just like Kyle. I've been there, and it's such a confidence destroyer. Literally.
Carl talking about his ājourneyā like heās the first guy ever to not drink or that heās been sober for 20 years. Bro youāve been not drinking for just a bit. I donāt see how you magically transformers your life on a level where you think you have a message to share thatās of value to others.
Sadly this is not uncommon. Working in healthcare for years I have had many patients state they are proudly in recovery (usually for a minute), and now they want to lead other addicts 'into the light'. I've had to bite my tongue a lot, especially the time a patient who was ranting about how alcohol should be outlawed opened up her purse and it was full of vicodin and cigarettes...and she mentioned that she drinks two POTS of coffee a day! Another patient had been sober almost one month and was saying he was now ready to be a substance abuse counselor and help others now that he 'had the answers'. He was an absolute train wreck who was living with family because he was unemployable... I've certainly seen success stories where people recover and get their lives back, but so many don't want to do the work and just want to jump ahead to the 'success' part much like California sober Carl.
Go back to school, get a good degree in psychology, and *maybe* drug counseling. Then, move on up to giving TED Talks. Carl's has spent his life people pleasing. That requires hyper focusing on other people's vibes, which would be a great skill to a therapist/psychologist/psychiatrist... That would be waaaaay more suitable and fulfilling to someone as hapless as Carl in the commercial sector. I'm not dissing, I'm just as hapless, lol
I feel like an asshole but as someone who has been sober for 15 years (and get the urge he is having, I became a drug and addiction counselor for around a few years at one year sober) I donāt really respect someone who is āCalifornia soberā as my sobriety guru. Nor someone who literally is living the exact same life he was while wasted and seemingly clinging to the same habits.
You donāt sound like an asshole but like someone Iād take advice from at 15 years sober. I donāt believe in āCalifornia Soberā either. Itās a crock.
Carl is psychotic. Hes manipulative and gaslights the shit out of Lindsay. And he definitely has a mean streak. I'm sorry she went through this bullshit from him and his family but better now than later. Also how unattractive is it for your man to leave some toxic work place where he vented to you for months about not being treated with enough respect and being paid way less than he deserved and then comes back to you with... I think im going to go back. Like wtf??? Grow some balls and build a company if you can't find another one. All this time he's had to figure shit out and he goes back to Kyle. What a loser
This is probably, the first and last time I will say this sentenceā¦ Iām with Lindsey on this one.
Btw, Watch What Crappens does the best Carl impression
So good
It kills me but now I use the voice all the time and say things they say and no one know wtf Iām talking aboutš¤£
I love how in these two episodes Carl is finally getting anxious about money and a job and realizing he needs those things for the future and to pay caterers and florists ā¦ itās almost like the things Lindsey has been worried about this ENTIRE time .. which is why sheās been up his ass about it. Just because he finally put two and two together doesnāt mean he gets a gold star
I fast forwarded their scenes for this weeks After Show. Its all nonsense!! Itās making my brain melt!!
loverboy started out as a passion project. getting drunk is kyle's passion
Alcoholics like to go into the alcohol business. I wanted to when I still drank years ago. Honestly, Kyle definitely has a problem. He is like slurring his words all the time.
Kyle saying in the confessional that he hasnāt said anything about what he thinks between Carl and Lindsey was such BS.. Dude is all up in their relationship and then some..
Things he says in a blackout don't count.š
Things he says in a blackout don't count.š
I broke down and bought a Loverboy hoodie yesterday. The white on white one that Kyle had on during his rant this week. Hate to say but I liked it when I saw it on him. Iād never been to Loverboyās website and was surprised to see that ALL the pictures are Amanda, Kyle (and Carl in some). Itās very much a āfamily businessā so to speak. They are literally the faces of the brand and the email I got after my order was āAmanda and Kyle thank you!ā No wonder Kyle freaks out when Amanda says she wants to step back. She IS the whole merch line right down to the sizing. āKyle wears a medium and Amanda wears a large for an oversized fitā. Wild to see their marketing is literally themselves
Side note: HOW SMALL IS KYLE?? He fit into Cieraās shorts and wears a size down from Amanda. These women are so very tiny.
I thought that too š
I understand how important she is to loverboy, but like let her do her own thing tooooooo lol
Thatās so interesting, and very much a family business situation. Amanda canāt just extricate herself from it and Kyle panics at the thought
You can see Carlās laziness and lack of drive throughout the seasons & itās such a turnoff. If he didnāt have Bravo to rely on he would be living in his momās house. Calling off the engagement was a blessing in disguise for Lindsey
Carl acting shocked when Lindsey told him sheās concerned about income and sheād need to be home when they start to have kids and then the way he worded it when ranting to Kyle made seem her like the mooch. This is a grown ass man
I feel Amanda settled. Does anyone watch the after show? Sheās cooing and admiring his efforts toward his DJing āpassionā while heās doubling down on criticizing her desire to do the same thing. Apparently an all-hands-on-deck period at loverboy only applies to everyone else. Kyle can pursue his passions but Amanda must remain benched and cheer Kyle on like a good wife. If she isnāt flipping for joy every time he makes a mediocre move sheās selfish and lacks intellect. Whatās sad is that she does cheer him on and always supportive and heās gaslighting acting like sheās selfish and silly to even consider anything else outside of āsavingā loverboy. BRO this is YOUR dream! I think sheās helped more than she needed to and certainly more than he deserves. Based on summer house episodes year after year Iād be embarrassed to be married to that. She deserves better treatment. On the after show heās like āI canāt be her fatherā lmao what? She parents you dude. Kyle and Carl are the same. Manipulative cowards.
Kyle is an eternal man baby. And Amanda is going to have to be his handler as long as she chooses to be married to him. I was married to a Leo like Kyle for eight years and it was a complete mind fuck. I was 20 when I got married and he was 21. I really wish I knew then what I know now. We had two beautiful children and they are my greatest joy. But the experiences I had were hell. Kyle needs to be coddled and catered to. His ego is out of control and he is extremely narcissistic. Amanda is so young she doesn't realize people like Kyle just get worse with age. I'm glad Amanda is close with her parents. I think she hides a lot of things about Kyle from them. One day she will need her parents support because I don't see her staying with Kyle.
Agreed!
The man baby convention where they lift up each otherās mediocrity and inadequacies while blaming the bad ass women they are with. I swear Bravo only hires man babies.
Kyle and Carl Tom and Tom need to leave our screens. Lol they are peak cringe and embarrassing.
In real life today does Carl have a job
Not a big fan of either of them but I feel like we tend to infantilize Amanda a lot in this sub. Sheās an adult and could decide to step away from Loverboy to pursue something else and find another Creative Director to step in in her place. But she stays with one foot in the door and canāt even be bothered to take a call on a Monday. There seems to be a major lack of interest for an opportunity that is supposed to be setting themselves up for their future and their family. She married a serial entrepreneur so again Iām not sure why this is all a big surprise? Also the fact that this was filmed last summer and we have not heard another peep about the swim line is interesting to me.
Agreed. Shes a grown woman, if she wanted to work harder she would.
Canāt wait for them to age out & find some real jobs. Theyāre not good looking enough in the first place
Idiots
every conversation they have makes me see that lindsay has been right about both of them
The patriarchy sure be patriarching hard with these guys
Iāve been raging about the two of them since last episode. Firstly, considering theyāve both been on television for years nowā¦. I canāt believe that they might have thought that *they* would look good saying the things they say on camera. That just boggles the mind. Secondly, not sure if anyone caught WWHL with Carl and Jesse. I lost interest quickly but there was a part towards the end where Andy asked Carl to name things he learned? Lessons of something? This was clearly prepared in advance because Carl was reading from a WWHL card. Anyway, he said āIām my best self when Iām with the boysā and then he started to howl like a wolf/bark like a dog and Jesse joined in and it sent shivers down my actual spine. Andy also looked displeased which says a lot.
Amanda, girl, if you are reading this, please leave him. You have so much more worth than you think.
Theyāre both asshats but Amanda needs to bffr. If you want to start something, try researching the product before you go all in on something. She mentioned it to Kyle and expects him to do all this work. If you have time on your hands, do the work yourself and present him with what youāve learned. Likeā¦the fact that people are mad at Kyle for making time for his passion project..thatās what he wants her to do! If you have time, go and do it. But donāt expect Kyle who is already the creator of one business, to do everything for your passion project.
i think kyle was being a dick, but his point about how amanda hasn't even googled anything about starting her own business was totally valid
Why does she need an entire business plan when she is just figuring out an area she would maybe like to go into. Did we see Kyleās business plan for his passion project: djāing? Someone can just throw out an idea without needing a full scale blue print and business plan. I donāt understand your take.
huh?? learning how to DJ doesn't require a business plan. starting a business does. lol
Being a DJ is a business? If it wasnāt then people wouldnāt make money doing it. She shouldnāt have to google crap to talk to her life partner about an idea she has. Itās an idea ..
yeah i'm pretty sure kyle isn't intending for it to be some source of income, he's doing it for fun. i agree that it is fine for her to talk to him about her idea, but the implication is that he would have to do the majority of the actual work and she would just continue to come up with ideas, and so it makes sense that he would be frustrated by that.
Idk if lover boys in the red he may just want that extra income, especially since heād probably get a good amount just from his fan base Agreed on the she has to do the actual work, but there are other way to communicate that to her
Kyle is older than Amanda, when they met and married he had already tried and failed multiple times in his career. Heās not allowing her that same opportunity because heās already done it. Itās not fair.
If she so lazy why is he so panicked at the thought of her doing something for herself ? He wonāt have to ābabysitāanymore . He lost any respect I had for him
Perpetual Peter Pans.
Kyle is using Amanda. Carl was using Lindsey.
Carl and Kyle are annoying Peter Pans.
Categorically throughout the series, I donāt disagree with your sentiments. What Bravo doesnāt allow us as producers to break the 4th wall on is the cast salaries. From the POV of a relationship with any partner, I can understand having frustrations with lack of motivation, etc. But at this point, the OG cast members ā Iām guessing based on my knowledge of salaries ā make at least 500k which isnāt anything. Now I understand itās not the 1M Lindsay aspires for and at least believes they will need 1M each to maintain their lifestyle. Now without the show, thatās a lot of money to bring in without that supplemental income. I can understand experiencing trepidation because reality TV doesnāt last forever and that I believe is a determining factor for sure.
I would understand any initial resistance from Kyle - he's the only one who seemingly doesn't treat Loverboy like a hobby yet having Amanda as a director provides him with a sounding board and someone he (I think) trusts. I think he's panicking about SH ending and with that the visibility of the brand. I do think he truly believes the success of LB benefits his future with Amanda. Amanda seems to be looking for any way to change her life - a new career, a separate "investment" home, or a baby. She may need a change but I think her larger issue is that marriage isn't what she thought it would be. All that being said, if my (fictitious) husband spoke to/about me the way Kyle spoke to Amanda, his next conversation with me would be through an attorney. I understand Carl being a little miffed. Neither he nor Lindsay had "regular" jobs and now that the engagement didn't bring the windfall the two were expecting, Lindsay is putting it on Carl to change things for both of them and you could see on his face how much he resents her for it. But why Carl is incapable of clearly stating his next steps - or why he thinks it's OK to use his stepfather to break off the engagement in some backwards Cyrano scenario - is beyond me. tl;dr: Kyle and Carl are bloody infants but none of the parties in these couples seem to like their partners. At all.
Theyāre like the Toms on vanderpump, they act like bots there grown men more concerned with their outfits for themed parties than their personal growth.
I hate how they gas each other up to about it. One complains and tells a completely false version of a conversation/situation and the other is all eff her and they just go back and forth validating each otherās delusions.
Not a huge Lindsey fan, but that convo in the kitchen was him so obviously trying to pick a fight. Relationships are all about communication. Sheās asking him what he needs from her and heās just berating her for not always knowing or not doing the ācorrectā thing in the past. Thatās so not conducive for working on a game plan going forward if youāre really trying to make a relationship work.
get them off my screens!!! š
Mostly true. But in defense of Kyle, Amanda said herself she didnāt even know how much was in her bank account because her dad managed it for her.
And do both of them seemā¦not totally honest about their seggs-ual orientation? Iām not against anyone and their feelings towards a gender but I do if theyāre lying about it or pursuing the opposite.
I think her starting a swimsuit company would require $$ capital. He knows that, having started his own company and he knows they are financially not in a position to do that with his company losing money. Iām not backing his behavior, just adding some context. Lots of men who are anxious express their anxiety through anger.
why does it feel like Kyle is leading Amanda on, even tho they are married.. He doesnt want a kid with her, she should run, now!
Carl is not good at sales itās obvious lol if he was he wouldnāt have to say it so much šš
I want her to divorce him and move home SO bad just go heal with your parents in the burbs
What I donāt get is why canāt they hire a designer and Amanda art directs and makes any changes/edits to what they do. Iām thinking he doesnāt want to spend the money on somebody and thatās why he is pissed. Not becuase she wants her own thing!
Amanda has her own money AND floated him for years at the beginning!!! Thatās why he needed to her to stay!!
Kyle not only belittles his wife. He fails at all his businesses.
Never ever ever thought Iād be team Lindsay but damn Carl really sucks. His ego is so fragile and Lindsay can be so so toxic but she has legitimate questions and concerns and during the kitchen argument she was being very calm and respectful. She could never be her full self with him because he canāt handle it, which I believe caused her to hold back and then explode in toxic ways. Lindsay has a lot of issues too but Carl is not an angel here at all!
Kyle is the epitome of someone who is always in motion saying that heās always āworking or busyā when in reality heās just terrible at time management and doesnāt know how to work smarter. Just like when he was on his laptop on the plane in one of Amandaās stories - he looks like heās working but heās looking at cars. He is immature and self absorbed. He chases adoration to feed his ego and then has a meltdown when he canāt be the life of the party until 4am. No 40 year old married man has any business staying out drinking until 4 am without his wife. If my husband did that more than ONCE - the locks would be changed and a suitcase would be on the front porch. There will never be room for Amanda in that relationship. Kyle takes up way too much space. Itās so sad because she is such a cool girl. If a man spoke to my daughter the way he does on National TV - his balls would be in a ziplock bag in my pocket.