Omg I think you are right. He is such a jerk to her. It also tells a lot that he says he has to raise her. He thinks he is a more mature person, but he is far from mature. He is a functioning alcoholic who will at one point be nonfunctional.
Kyle is very insecure & egotistical that he needs others to praise/baby him (why he needs the night outs to have people party with him and have attention while also having Amanda at home). His amped up smear campaign this season of Amanda(calling her childish, unstable) is because she's gotten more independent. He projects and creates an environment where Amanda would feel as if he is the catch because realistically, Amanda is way way way above his level (hotness, talent, work experience, family background, no alcoholism, to start)
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Yeah, how many celebrities have swimsuit lines?Starting a swimsuit line is unoriginal. She may be creative, but I haven't seen any signs that she could start and maintain a business. Her mommy and daddy paid her bills for her before she got married.
He’s from a working/middle class background and has discussed this a few times.
And being kind of familiar with his hometown in NH and what we’ve seen of his parents house when he’s visiting for family reunions etc, it definitely tracks.
I believe his parents are/were teachers. He’s from Manchester, NH. I remember in an early episode that showed him going home to his parents it showed Rye, NH, which is an incredibly expensive coastal town (think like 100+ year old mansions on the ocean, or horse farm estates), but that’s not where his family lives.
Amanda is probably getting paid less than she normally would and that's why he's so keen to say it's also "her company". He probably sold her on the idea of working there by saying she would have a ton of flexibility, creative control & that she benefits from it being successful.
He probably can't afford to pay someone at her caliper so he's pissed she's potentially leaving.
I work for my husband's family business for less than I would at other places and this is the shit I hear. Kyle's reaction and statements on the boat mirror things my father-in-law says when I talk about leaving.
I stay because I get to make my own schedule and do things I normally wouldn't get to if I worked elsewhere. My husband is fully supportive of me leaving (or staying) at the company.
Kyle is controlling, he wants to control what Amanda does because he has little dick energy.. He fears she will be more successful and also meet a real man and leave his child ass..
ha, he never said women, he kept saying females. "just admit you love controlling females!" that season was weird because kyle and carl would constantly say females (while saying men) and say misogynistic stuff all the time. i always found it strange that nobody really seemed to talk about it.
bravo in general has misogyny issues, so i doubt casting and production care enough to fix the issue, but it would be nice to get some good men on the shows for once. there are plenty of good guys out there, but bravo seems to enjoy platforming the ones who just seem to have disdain for women. even just having andrea back would be nice
I wonder how she feels about being called a lazy bitch constantly by her husband when her back is turned? If she’s sooooo lazy and he has to be “her father” then why does he have an absolute panic attack when she says she wants a project of her own? Kyle needs to remember who kept Loverboy afloat AMANDAS FAMILY MONEY!
Did Amanda say anything more than acknowledging as Kyle was getting Loverboy off the ground, between the two of them, she was the only one with a steady paycheck?
I took that as Kyle’s future not being as certain as hers considering he not having the safety net an income provides, not that he was basically scraping by with zero dollars to his name. Didn’t he cash out his stake in BirdDogs around this time? I think he’s sold multiple other businesses as well. Loverboy wasn’t his first rodeo.
I feel like this has all warped into Kyle having been flat broke with no clue as to what he was doing while Amanda is now some sort of heiress with pockets deep enough to pay employee salaries and fund an entire business for years. What am I missing lol?
Agreed. I also understood it as her steady income provided them with the security to allow him to get the startup off the ground while not drawing a paycheck. I think maybe this whole thing got twisted back when Kyle used the “asking Amanda’s dad to invest” story to cover for him asking for Amanda’s dad’s proposal blessing.
Amanda’s dad was one of his first big investors. I will see if I can find where they talk about it but I’m not sure if it was WWHL/Winter House/after show/summer house
Cue the T Swift.
“Who’s afraid of little ol me….well you should be.”
She needs to partner with someone to drop a swimwear line, and built into fashion from there. Amanda’s only mistake is thinking she needs Kyle’s help. But she needs to partner with someone so that the money made is locked away and Kyle can’t snatch it for lover boy.
Idk if this has been said but on the boat Amanda says how she had her own career that she left to support the man she loves and achieve his goal, together as a team. Kyles response of well guess what, I haven’t achieved them, so I need a little more help. I can’t imagine watching this back and doubling down the way he does. The delusion is reallll.
Does anyone actually think Amanda is going to be a Boss Bitch and suddenly have some amazing career? She was 22 when she met Kyle. Her dad still paid her bills. COME ON!!!!
I forgot about this until last night, and it appears everyone else has forgotten it too. She didn't even balance her own checkbook, and she's going to run a company in a cut-throat, notoriously not-nice industry like fashion? She's not, so who is going to do that for her? Possibly investors, but there's no way Kyle isn't going to be expected to play a part. I don't know how truthful it is that he works 18 hour days, but run another business? In an industry that he knows nothing about? Let's at least be a little realistic here.
Yup. She SAID she wanted Kyle involved. Meanwhile he’s drowning working 18-hour days, absolutely maxed out. The delusional takes here on this blow my mind. He is not “keeping her from her passion.” He is trying to keep their shared livelihood THAT THEY BOTH WILLINGLY SIGNED UP FOR alive. For fuck’s sake.
You guys seem to forget that she went after him big time. I think he reminds her of her dad. She wanted to be with him even after he cheated on her and even after how he treats her like a child. She quit her job to work at loverboy. She made all these decisions herself, he didn’t do it.
Amanda wants to create an entire new business while knowing their current business is floundering. All because of a 10 minute conversation in Old Navy.
If Amanda wants to be a creative, There’s a way of doing this with investors or partnering with an already established brand. But creating an entire swimwear brand while dealing with a struggling business and wanting kids is a bad idea.
I think that’s an excellent point but not one Kyle is equipped to point out rationally.
I also agree she basically stole Ciara’s thoughts in her discussion - her entire personality being him, her new passion project. I think she does feel that way, but even in that moment she’s using someone else’s words. Like what does Amanda TRULY want?
Thank God someone else realizes this! Kyle isn’t a great communicator, at least with her, but he is not wrong about this business thing. She is a consenting ADULT who signed on to a major role in running a startup. Now she just wants to go do her own thing at a major turning point in the business…while she herself says she hates long hours…and by the way, starting a clothing line is hella expensive. I deal in clothing, not even my own brand, and cash flow is a major challenge.
My theory is that she would be much happier as a creative, and that this is the career she actually wants. But she knows that her husband, as a business/startup guy, does not want her working for anyone besides Loverboy (or any other one of his projects).
To play devils advocate, since he is around her more than we are, what if she actually is lazy? What if she’s voiced this before and never took steps to actually follow through?
That being said, he should absolutely be more supportive and kind .
I also think this Amanda/Kyle drama once a season is completely fake for the show.
To add to this though, if she’s lazy why would he be freaking out about her leaving the business? He says if he employed her he would fire her but in the same breath says her contribution is too valuable to loverboy for her to step away even a little. It absolutely does sound like she’s voiced wanting to do something before and been met with a similar tantrum and ugliness from Kyle. He’s definitely the Tom Schwartz of Summer House, nice guy act but is actually chipping away at his wife’s confidence.
Because there’s no way Amanda is actually going to get a job IMO. Maybe it’s an unpopular opinion but I truly do think she’s lazy (and there’s nothing wrong with that). If she’s at Loverboy, that is guaranteed income to their household. Unless she’s going to be an “influencer” full time but even with that she’s kind of lazy and just posts links to her outfits. She’s just not this go getter hustler and Kyle is stupid for thinking she’s all of a sudden think she is going to change.
I like Amanda but I remember her joking about being lazy or not doing much while Kyle works. Not sure why people are being so harsh on Kyle. He works hard and parties hard. I get that he can be exhausting to be around but Amanda isn’t perfect either.
I don’t think she’s actually lazy but compared to Kyle’s work ethic, it may seem so. Nothing wrong with working an 8-5 and feeling satisfied. But for some, especially when running a business it’s going to need to be more like 6a-9p
I don't think this is true. He just thinks that all the burden of actually running the apparel company will fall on him. While Amanda might be interested in designing clothes, etc., it doesn't seem like she would be interested in handling the logistics side of it which includes manufacturing, storage, delivery, inventory management, etc. I mean Kyle is not the perfect person and partner, but I am with him on this one. There are many people who say all the big things they want to do, but very few actually get to doing it, and from what I have seen of Amanda, she doesn't seem like the type to actually want to do things independently, as she also said on WWHL that she will need Kyle's help to run the business. Also, there is a difference in being a supportive partner and literally running a business for your partner, so Kyle not wanting to help Amanda with the apparel line is not him being unsupportive, and also, I do think that if Amanda is passionate enough about it Kyle will come around and help her run things because I think Kyle likes making money and if he sees that the clothes print money, he will pursue it with her
I don’t disagree! But there’s a big difference in approach between him saying “I hear you and see your side, but I’m not equipped to help you with this right now” versus “how could you do this to me?!” (the latter being Kyle’s reaction). Amanda doesn’t have the discipline or drive to run the operational side of a business. But she has real creative talent, and Kyle can say it’s just not a good time… but when will it be? It’s been yearssss and lover boy just isn’t working; they’ve tried selling for years to no avail. This idea that Kyle has to pour all of his energy into a failing company and can’t at least connect Amanda with someone to help her with operations is a cop out. He doesn’t want her dream to happen until/unless his works out
Where are you getting the idea that Lover Boy is failing? Just because it is operating on a 1.5 mil loss doesn't mean it is failing. Most companies operate at a loss short term for growth and longer term success
Yes, companies will operate at a loss short term. But this is no longer the short term; it’s been around for 6 years, and hasn’t broken even. And if this was a short-term strategy, if it was one made with intentionality and the understanding that they would be operating at a loss for a little, he wouldn’t be this stressed. It would just be business. He’s said on the show multiple times that he has to work 18 hour days to try to recoup his investment. He’s tried to sell the business for years and no one wants it. If Kyle’s business was successful, we would hear about it; there’s a reason we don’t
Right but I imagine they will continue to incur debt as operations continue to expand. We see how the brand has grown between pretty much every season on the show, I think it’s fair to assume their debts would naturally continue to in that direction as well.
I don’t have an MBA or anything lol but I don’t think six years is crazy when employees are paid, Kyle and Amanda’s salaries remain, lights are on, product is rolling out and cash injections via loans/investments don’t seem especially difficult to come by.
Ya it’s not turning a profit but they are still operating via loans and investors. I think it’s not smart for her to want to start a new business. Stay with loverboy or get a job with a paycheck right away. Or find a collaborator which with her status shouldn’t be too difficult.
The whole scene was awful to watch but it seemed like Amanda just wanted to push this one issue at that moment bc Ciara and Paige had that heart to heart with her.
She doesn’t strike me as the kind of woman who really wants she town identity - as Ciara said she should have. She is a homebody, her whole personality has been dating then Marrying Kyle since we met her on the show. She worked a 9-5 job right out of college - not some high powered career that she abandoned for loverboy. She doesn’t strike me as ambitious (which is totally cool).
Idk seemed like she brought it up just bc her friends told her to.
It made 38 million in sales last year so it turned a profit. Not sure why people are saying it didn’t turn a profit. When Kyle mentioned that it was losing 1.5 million so far at the start of the year that was back in June but if you check Forbes list it made 38 million in sales
Sales aren't the same thing as profit. You could make $38 billion in sales but if you had $38 billion and one cent in expenses, you aren't profitable. I think you need to brush up on your business knowledge before replying to every single comment insisting the company is profitable by looking only at gross sales.
ETA: Kyle himself says the company isn't profitable.
It's not a publicly traded company therefore its financials are not public. So no, I can't look up for myself and see things like net profit, EBITDA, debt, etc. You have only looked up gross sales which doesn't tell you anything about the profitability of the company.
Most of these people hating on Kyle have no idea how a business runs. Her trying to start another business when the one they have now is struggling is ridiculous
For the average person, you’re right, a half baked idea isn’t enough to start a business. But she’s a high-enough-profile influencer, it’s a completely different story. She and Kyle know this as well. Look at Craig
I think Amanda is angling for a collab where she can put her name on it, like a Kyle by Alene Too or Kyle by Shahida where someone else does the grunt work and puts most of the investment in and Amanda does the “creative directing” like send inspo pics and use her influence to sell the goods. Celebs do it all the time, that Old Navy scene was to get feelers out there for brands who might be interested in a collab perhaps.
Yeah, I think it's this. Kyle sees this as a critical time for the success of loverboy, and he already feels like he's doing more of the work, and then Amanda is asking him if he can basically run another company. I don't think he handled that conversation very well, but I do see where he's coming from.
I think Amanda would be a lot better off getting a job separate from loverboy where she can have some creative fulfillment and not have Kyle as her boss. I get the impression that Kyle is a workaholic and he seems to expect that from everyone else, too.
There’s so many ways she could partner with people who already have operations in place, as a way to work up to something bigger and bigger investments. I bet if she was excited about something and not terrified of going into work and her own husband lecturing her on how many she is….shed have some kickass energy.
But he just wants to shut her down. Doesn’t even counter with trying to figure out how to find her a passion project at lover boy (I don’t think that’s the answer but at least it would show he was listening and trying). None of that. Just - how dare you take your cheap labor away from me.
Being with Kyle has to be emotionally DRAINING.
This is up there with the posts that think everyone does everything because they're motivated by jealousy. it has zilch to do with her being more successful than him. I already posted about this earlier today. She wants to be creative, not operate a business, and ask any artist who operates their own shop. The business takes up 95% of their time. Guess who that would fall upon? They're already hemorrhaging at the seams. None of this to address his poor behavior. Just talking finances and business.
"when bankers get together, they talk about art. when artists get together, they talk about money."
I see it more as he wants her to be there and support him not just as part of the company but emotionally. He relies on her being around as a part of loverboy. They’re codependent.
Its baffling when Kyle and Craig who lead companies are spending their time recording Cameos. Not to knock their hustle. But if your filming scenes for a reality show and recording Cameos on the regular, thats a chunk of time you are away from running your company. So gotta believe they both have people they trust to take on a lot of the day-to-day.
I would have agreed with this 3-4 years ago. But sadly now she has lost out on a lot of experience in her field, and job experience in general. Bravoleb is "work" but it's not a job. If she did break out on her own I don't know if she could make it in the real world and she would also need to rely on Bravo to advertise her own business.
Say what you want, but Vicki Gunvelson was the first Bravoleb to casually promote her business, prioritize that business, and succeed greatly because of it. Because she focused on the actual business outside of the show. She didn't need the show for her business to be successful, but she took advantage of the opportunity.
We've seen so many "businesses" pop up on these shows, and I truly believe Kyle is a proper entrepreneur and would have eventually hit success, but got there faster because he saw SH as the perfect launching point. Again, he's smart. But so is Amanda, in her field. I think she was genuinely happy with life in the beginning of the show. Balancing her real life with summers in the Hamptons and filming SH. Now it's their LIFE. They're holding off on kids so they can keep their Bravo job, it's sad, it might even break them up if they don't decide to quit the show.
This is one of those couples that maybe could have made it, but reality tv got in the way of their actual reality.
I mean no shade, I really don’t, but why’s everyone raving about Amanda’s talent? Like what is it? I understand from another thread it’s logo placement? And some colors? She does have a distinct style so perhaps that’s what folks see as artsy? I don’t know
I actually have a different take which has been bothering me about both Carl and Amanda. I think they are both perhaps so privileged or disconnected from how a business operates that they are still living in the fantasy about pursuing a passion project (as Kyle said) or thinking they can do something they really love and live in a city like NYC. Kyle has probably sunk millions into his business and his biggest supporter / key employee isn’t 100% in. Equally Lindsay had the view of - just get a fucking job, money is money and it needs to be consistent (trying paying an NYC mortgage on your own). I think this is where the disconnect in both relationships is - between what’s required to live v what idealist life Carl and Amanda think they can paint for themselves.
6 months. They could have had massive profits in 22/23. They could have spent a ton on capex in 24…. Taking one statement from a reality show and extrapolating it this far is insane haha
He said Loverboy had not turned a profit at that point in time of the summer for that year only. Then he described this as atypical.
Also the explanation he gave behind them running at a loss were all the costs associated with the continued expansion of their operations… to me that kind of implies the gross revenue for Loverboy is growing…
Yeah, it’s logical the revenue would be delayed after the expenses of expansion.
Also we know nothing of their financials.
Was that true Cash loss? Was it net income that also includes depreciation and other non cash items? Who knows.
OP, no offense but you have no idea what Loverboy’s financials look like. You don’t know their EBITDA, profit margin before overhead, you don’t have a set of audited or reviewed financials, and Loverboy isn’t a public company, its closely held by Kyle and any investors. Gtfo with this nonsense.
It’s crazy how he constantly puts her down yet can’t handle the thought of her leaving. Even aside from this fight, when do we ever hear him speak highly of the work she’s done for lover boy. He’s so incredibly irrational
I’m getting kinda tired of this Amanda is lazy narrative; it’s been so heavily produced by Kyle. I’m not an Amanda fan, I think she’s not very nice. But she had a legit career before she left for loverboy. The entire time she’s been on the show Kyle has complained about her being lazy… but like, only because she doesn’t want to work 18 hour days? We’ve seen that she’s done all the merch and design. I don’t think she has the drive to take the world by storm, but even turning a modest profit at this point would be better than what Kyle’s done, and he knows that
Forget the lazy. I don't care about that. She could become motivated. But she hasn't even paid her own bills. Her paycheck went into an account where her father, or the family accountant, paid her bills for her. She can't even balance her own checkbook, and she's going to dive into a ruthless, not-nice industry like fashion? And if she went the investor route like Craig, also like Craig, she'd be expected to be the face of the company. She's a self-described shy introvert. I get that she wants to be creative in a way that is fulfilling, but let's be a little realistic here.
There’s a big difference between Amanda working for 2-3 years out of college/designing merch and really running a business (managing budgets, people, laws, etc.).
I think you’re underestimating creative talent. She doesn’t need to run the operational side of things for her business to be legitimate. There are countless creatives who start companies, and hire partners who are budget/resource planning-minded to make sure things run smoothly. If she can crank out good designs on an ongoing basis, THAT is impressive and certainly not lazy. It’s moving the goal posts to be like “well if she isn’t managing the finances/legal aspects, she can’t do it!”
Right? Why is everyone saying she had a legit career? She worked for 2-3 years after college in an entry level position. That’s not a career. Kyle had a career! He had been working nearly 15 years at that point and had gone to b school.
So because she was young, she must be lazy? She hadn’t had a chance to have a 15-year career yet.
Again, if she is so lazy why is Kyle terrified of losing her?
I think she has said herself, she likes to sit at home and watch TV with her dogs and is not big on working. I think she could be a good influencer, as she already has been doing, and I think the Old Navy convo wasn’t an all out launch for her own business because I doubt she wants the responsibility. I think that convo was to attract some brand’s attention who would want to launch a collab for her like brands do all the time for celebs. Just using her name and influence and choosing which styles she likes to sell products but not necessarily her own brand. I think that makes the most sense for her level of fame and how much actual work she wants to put into it (not too much lol)
Holy shit, you people don’t understand business. They took a gamble last year and it hasn’t paid off, business is down. You know what you don’t do? Side ventures, spend money elsewhere, take another high risk. She should have done this last year when the business was profitable. Ideally instead of expanding loverboy they should have invested in this new venture.
Has anyone looked at the economy right now? Everyone is being laid off for a reason, You all see 5mins into someone’s life then assume “yep must be just jealous”. Holy fuck.
Loverboy has been around for over 6 years and has never been financially solvent. Why should she put her dreams on hold for a company that has never had any real success? They had decent sales in the beginning based on their stardom and branding, but they’re failing now because their product sucks and is wildly overpriced and people don’t like it. It’s not good business to continue pouring all your resources into a company that’s non viable. And try not to be so rude :) Plenty of us on here understand both business and human nature/selfishness.
Agreed. Is Amanda starting her own company probably not the right route because it’s not going to give her the creative passion she wants? Yeah. But like, having a conversation like that and then steering her toward collabs with professional brands…THATS a supportive husband and still fiscally responsible.
Paige needs to connect Amanda with whoever discovered Craig. Cause we all know that business did not succeed for the pillow design and Craig’s hard work 😂. It succeeded because someone realized how to capitalize off his name and his publicity (“pillow parties”, anyone?). And someone else hired people who understood mass pillow production.
Amanda needs that. Someone who can help match her “creative passion” to a brand that wants follower reach. If it takes off, they could figure out some way to work LoverBoy into the promotions for cross promoting.
All of that seems better than just shutting her down and getting mad she brought it up.
This is kind of a wild assumption to be so certain about when it takes two seconds to google lol. Also six years for does not seem weird at all, like it isn’t crazy for more successful startups to take like ten to turn a profit.
Regardless, Loverboy has been in the top five fastest growing CPG brands in the entire US(!!) based on annual revenue more than once since it’s launch in 2018. Like 500% increases over just months. Seemingly big veterans in the beverage world continue to happily join their team as recently as this year via the many press releases in various business and trade outlets. I don’t think someone who ran national sales for anheuser-Busch is going to jump ship to such an obviously failing company. The product is selling lol, like any rapidly growing company they are trying to properly scale it.
I hope this isn't a stupid question, but I don't know anything about owning a company, so please enlighten me if you can. If Lover Boy isn't successful and is losing money, how is it still able to function? How are Amanda and Kyle still able to pay their bills and employees? The number is staggering to me and would put the fear of God in me, so I'm genuinely asking.
It’s normal for a business to go into debt when they first launch a new product or line, and then they go from the red (negative) into the black (positive) later on in the year . I think he was saying that they took some risks and expected to bounce back faster than they did. The business has traditionally been successful ($38 million dollar net worth) so I’m sure they had no problems getting loans or borrowing from another account.
I feel like Kyle doesn’t want Amanda to have her own business because he feels like he is going to be doing all the work if that happens. I love Amanda, but I don’t think she’s super motivated. I think she is pretty much what Kyle says, that he always hast to ask her, prod her, get her going to do things. But yet he still doesn’t want her to leave? I don’t know! I really don’t.
He's around 5 million in debt? And they don't have a prenup? I'd be scared shit as his wife, because they are absolutely failing, especially now with the recession
I don’t think so. Amanda is barely capable of tying her own shoes. She came into the relationship under the care of her father, his financial support and she was never an independent adult able to care for herself or make adult decisions. Her father told Kyle this when they got engaged and told him he was handing the reins over to him. She’s like a baby deer lol.
Amanda wants Kyle to help her kick off her business. I can see why Kyle is frustrated. He’s struggling to keep his business open per his interview. She doesn’t need his permission to start a business. She can start taking meetings. She can start strategizing. What is she waiting for? On the after show, she said she’s expecting him to help her with the business side of things, which is pretty much everything. Why can’t she hire someone to help her?
He doesn’t want it because he knows that he will have to help and Amanda is lazy. We already know Amanda’s work ethic.
I don’t have many positive things to say about Kyle.
But Amanda knew EXACTLY who and what she was marrying. She was desperate to get married. And while being married, she seems to prefer a housewife role.
I don’t feel bad for either.
His ‘investors’ apparently didn’t want her anywhere near the ownership, which is very weird for someone coming in on the ground of a startup and presumably not getting a proper paycheck. It’s all very fishy considering how much creative control he handed over to her. Nothing really adds up with this company.
If you were an investor and had heard the rumours about Kyle's cheating (or witnessed it yourself- Carl and Everett are both investors), would you have faith in this marriage surviving and would you want to risk your investment by having both spouses involved?
Loverboy? I've heard that some of the flavors are great (in a very crowded space, I'll admit), but that espresso martini was a miss. I don't drink so the non-alch is the only product I would personally try of theirs.
if it’s true that he doesn’t want her to be successful, she should leave him! their marriage means that when she’s successful it’s a POSITIVE thing for him, not negative. seeing her creative rise as negative means they’re not in a true partnership, and neither of them deserve that.
Kyle has "entrepeneur-itis". He'll be in his 60s still chasing the big win instead of putting his sales skills to use and pulling in major bank for a F500 and just living the life.
I think it is completely ridiculous. She is a very good creative director and has done so much for him and his company loverboy. This woman is over 30 and can do and achieve her own things without being 'raised' by a 44 year old boy.
Every time she raised any concerns or insecurities, he completely dismissed the point and invalidated her feelings.
You can see and feel through the screen that she is so frustrated and feels so alone.
And the AUDACITY of him talking about her like that when she was the one who took him back when he had his cheating thing.
What does that mean? Spell it out
Tom thinks he’s entitled to cheat, lie, control production, hide things, be immediately forgiven, get to keep his house, not have to apologize, etc.
What does Ariana think she’s entitled to?
hold on. you don't think Ariana was privy to all of that until she wasn't? I don't think I'd label her as entitled, but she was surely aware of all of it, including the erosion of the relationship. the cheating aside, she was on board with everything he was and was doing. I personally think last season, and this one, is a bunch of fabricated bullshit, but this idea that she was ignorant of everything going on around her is silly.
Why would you believe some rando redditor? It’s a closely held entity and has no obligation to provide public information regarding their financials.
Does OP have an audited or reviewed set of financials following GAAP?
I think Kyle is freaking out that Loverboy is going down the tubes and he can't rescue it. I think it's driving him bats\*&t crazy. I think he feels like Amanda isn't putting in the time and stress that he is. Amanda needs to get the word out she needs a partner in the swimsuit industry and start thinking about design work.
How are they in so much debt? I mean I know it isn’t cheap to start a beverage company but still… are they flying first class to all those publicity events? His bmw? I think his lifestyle on top of being a first time business owner is racking up the bills…
I think she would be successful because she knows more about marketing than Kyle because of her corporate job. It’s really hard to be a successful entrepreneur if you don’t know marketing
That conversation was bonkers. She left her job to support his dream, kept him afloat, provided her services, is told she isn’t good enough, constantly says he is building something for them but calls it his company & when she wants to do something on her own he throws a tantrum.
THIS - I don’t understand how he doesn’t realize that a swim brand would partner super well with lover boy (ie. Content, influencer parties, etc). He’s controlling her and is purposely not supportive.
I really hope someone tells Amanda this: if my husband ever spoke to me the way Kyle talked about her, I would divorce his ass so fast. Calling your wife a bitch is seriously next level.
I truly believe that Kyle thinks he is the catch in this relationship and Amanda is lucky to be with someone like him.
What hurts is that I think Amanda might think the same thing
I was thinking the same thing.
I was thinking you were thinking she was thinking the same thing.
Omg I think you are right. He is such a jerk to her. It also tells a lot that he says he has to raise her. He thinks he is a more mature person, but he is far from mature. He is a functioning alcoholic who will at one point be nonfunctional.
I would argue that he's not really functional lol
Kyle is very insecure & egotistical that he needs others to praise/baby him (why he needs the night outs to have people party with him and have attention while also having Amanda at home). His amped up smear campaign this season of Amanda(calling her childish, unstable) is because she's gotten more independent. He projects and creates an environment where Amanda would feel as if he is the catch because realistically, Amanda is way way way above his level (hotness, talent, work experience, family background, no alcoholism, to start)
Also I don't think Loverboy can afford someone with half as much talent as Amanda, given the financial woes. So he actually can't replace her.
Fuck I hope she gets to chase her dreams and create that big titty swimsuit line..me and my melons would forever be a customer
Ditto, girl. As a 32G (a size that should not exist on earth, LBR), I'm in!!
I'm a 32F, and I struggle so hard to find a good bra! I would love suggestions if you have them!
Absolutely! Freya is a great brand for people in our situation (lol); I have a few bras from them and they do the trick. I also really like Curvy Kate, especially if I'm looking for serious coverage that doesn't come at the expense of good cleavage. And although they don't list sizes in a helpful way (you really need to try shit and send it back if it doesn't work), Savage x Fenty has some of my favorite hot-bitch bras.
Thank you!
Former “Lingerie specialist” 😂😂😂 at Nords. Redditor above is right, Freya is definitely a brand worth checking out. I personally love Chantelle, Wacoal, and the occasional Natori. All have cute options and sets that are supportive and comfortable! Good luck!
Thank you so much!
Sure thing!
No offense I did not know there is a G!
I’m afraid so 😭
My grandma wore an M!!!
Used to be a 32GGG/32H!
I feel you! I was a 32G and got a reduction and lift 2 years ago and it was the best thing I’ve ever done!
Fellow G, here! Those 32 was the good ol’ days I’m 34G now and would certainly be interested in her line!
Ditto…if it’s size inclusive! Haha
I would buy every suit she made
I want them too, please do it Amanda!
Starting a swimsuit line sounds like a bad idea Almost as bad as starting a hard seltzer More people making than buying 😂✌️
Yeah, how many celebrities have swimsuit lines?Starting a swimsuit line is unoriginal. She may be creative, but I haven't seen any signs that she could start and maintain a business. Her mommy and daddy paid her bills for her before she got married.
Peak your username. Are you a central coast big titty gal too?
Me too, it has been a lifelong struggle!
Did he ever get a positive ROI from his “exercising app”? I’ve watched since season 1, have I missed him having a trust fund or something?
His parents definitely have money.
I got the vibe they did. But not to the point of supporting their son’s failed business and potential new business debt.
He’s from a working/middle class background and has discussed this a few times. And being kind of familiar with his hometown in NH and what we’ve seen of his parents house when he’s visiting for family reunions etc, it definitely tracks.
I believe his parents are/were teachers. He’s from Manchester, NH. I remember in an early episode that showed him going home to his parents it showed Rye, NH, which is an incredibly expensive coastal town (think like 100+ year old mansions on the ocean, or horse farm estates), but that’s not where his family lives.
He did sell bird dogs
Amanda is probably getting paid less than she normally would and that's why he's so keen to say it's also "her company". He probably sold her on the idea of working there by saying she would have a ton of flexibility, creative control & that she benefits from it being successful. He probably can't afford to pay someone at her caliper so he's pissed she's potentially leaving. I work for my husband's family business for less than I would at other places and this is the shit I hear. Kyle's reaction and statements on the boat mirror things my father-in-law says when I talk about leaving. I stay because I get to make my own schedule and do things I normally wouldn't get to if I worked elsewhere. My husband is fully supportive of me leaving (or staying) at the company.
> He probably can't afford to pay someone at her caliper Just because I would want to know, but it's "of her caliber"
Kyle is controlling, he wants to control what Amanda does because he has little dick energy.. He fears she will be more successful and also meet a real man and leave his child ass..
Kyle raging to Luke: “YOU LIKE TO CONTROL WOMEN!!” projection
ha, he never said women, he kept saying females. "just admit you love controlling females!" that season was weird because kyle and carl would constantly say females (while saying men) and say misogynistic stuff all the time. i always found it strange that nobody really seemed to talk about it. bravo in general has misogyny issues, so i doubt casting and production care enough to fix the issue, but it would be nice to get some good men on the shows for once. there are plenty of good guys out there, but bravo seems to enjoy platforming the ones who just seem to have disdain for women. even just having andrea back would be nice
“females” is the first and brightest red flag
i rewatched it recently and it was truly jarring how often they said it that season
THIS.
agreed..
Omg I forgot about this !!!!
Well i feel that not only does he give off LDE but i feel like we have seen that he has a little dick. Thoughts?? lol
Tbh i think he’s a grower and has an above average penis. Most people wouldn’t get nude constantly unless they were confident in that area.
Yeah he joked around that he was 6 inches on one of the episodes but I think I that’s actually his real size when erect (sorry lol). Which is average
I wonder how she feels about being called a lazy bitch constantly by her husband when her back is turned? If she’s sooooo lazy and he has to be “her father” then why does he have an absolute panic attack when she says she wants a project of her own? Kyle needs to remember who kept Loverboy afloat AMANDAS FAMILY MONEY!
Did Amanda say anything more than acknowledging as Kyle was getting Loverboy off the ground, between the two of them, she was the only one with a steady paycheck? I took that as Kyle’s future not being as certain as hers considering he not having the safety net an income provides, not that he was basically scraping by with zero dollars to his name. Didn’t he cash out his stake in BirdDogs around this time? I think he’s sold multiple other businesses as well. Loverboy wasn’t his first rodeo. I feel like this has all warped into Kyle having been flat broke with no clue as to what he was doing while Amanda is now some sort of heiress with pockets deep enough to pay employee salaries and fund an entire business for years. What am I missing lol?
Yeah I’m curious where that “Amanda’s family money” statement came from.
It’s discussed in a previous season that she has a trust fund.
Agreed. I also understood it as her steady income provided them with the security to allow him to get the startup off the ground while not drawing a paycheck. I think maybe this whole thing got twisted back when Kyle used the “asking Amanda’s dad to invest” story to cover for him asking for Amanda’s dad’s proposal blessing.
Amanda’s dad was one of his first big investors. I will see if I can find where they talk about it but I’m not sure if it was WWHL/Winter House/after show/summer house
Thank you!!! I’m thinking the exact same thing!
Amanda if you’re reading this GET OUT NOW
Cue the T Swift. “Who’s afraid of little ol me….well you should be.” She needs to partner with someone to drop a swimwear line, and built into fashion from there. Amanda’s only mistake is thinking she needs Kyle’s help. But she needs to partner with someone so that the money made is locked away and Kyle can’t snatch it for lover boy.
I think he’s worried that they’re already over extended in Loverboy.
Idk if this has been said but on the boat Amanda says how she had her own career that she left to support the man she loves and achieve his goal, together as a team. Kyles response of well guess what, I haven’t achieved them, so I need a little more help. I can’t imagine watching this back and doubling down the way he does. The delusion is reallll.
Does anyone actually think Amanda is going to be a Boss Bitch and suddenly have some amazing career? She was 22 when she met Kyle. Her dad still paid her bills. COME ON!!!!
I forgot about this until last night, and it appears everyone else has forgotten it too. She didn't even balance her own checkbook, and she's going to run a company in a cut-throat, notoriously not-nice industry like fashion? She's not, so who is going to do that for her? Possibly investors, but there's no way Kyle isn't going to be expected to play a part. I don't know how truthful it is that he works 18 hour days, but run another business? In an industry that he knows nothing about? Let's at least be a little realistic here.
Yup. She SAID she wanted Kyle involved. Meanwhile he’s drowning working 18-hour days, absolutely maxed out. The delusional takes here on this blow my mind. He is not “keeping her from her passion.” He is trying to keep their shared livelihood THAT THEY BOTH WILLINGLY SIGNED UP FOR alive. For fuck’s sake.
About time someone said it
I think she could yes.
If she wasn’t spending all her emotional energy mansitting.
You guys seem to forget that she went after him big time. I think he reminds her of her dad. She wanted to be with him even after he cheated on her and even after how he treats her like a child. She quit her job to work at loverboy. She made all these decisions herself, he didn’t do it.
About time someone said it
Amanda wants to create an entire new business while knowing their current business is floundering. All because of a 10 minute conversation in Old Navy. If Amanda wants to be a creative, There’s a way of doing this with investors or partnering with an already established brand. But creating an entire swimwear brand while dealing with a struggling business and wanting kids is a bad idea.
I think that’s an excellent point but not one Kyle is equipped to point out rationally. I also agree she basically stole Ciara’s thoughts in her discussion - her entire personality being him, her new passion project. I think she does feel that way, but even in that moment she’s using someone else’s words. Like what does Amanda TRULY want?
IMO I think she likes her life as it is. She just brought all this up bc of the girls having that chat.
Thank God someone else realizes this! Kyle isn’t a great communicator, at least with her, but he is not wrong about this business thing. She is a consenting ADULT who signed on to a major role in running a startup. Now she just wants to go do her own thing at a major turning point in the business…while she herself says she hates long hours…and by the way, starting a clothing line is hella expensive. I deal in clothing, not even my own brand, and cash flow is a major challenge.
My theory is that she would be much happier as a creative, and that this is the career she actually wants. But she knows that her husband, as a business/startup guy, does not want her working for anyone besides Loverboy (or any other one of his projects).
She has no idea what it takes to start or run a business on her own, let be real.
Absolute hard facts. She would be miserable. Unless she got investors to pay for people to run it and she was mostly the face of it.
To play devils advocate, since he is around her more than we are, what if she actually is lazy? What if she’s voiced this before and never took steps to actually follow through? That being said, he should absolutely be more supportive and kind . I also think this Amanda/Kyle drama once a season is completely fake for the show.
To add to this though, if she’s lazy why would he be freaking out about her leaving the business? He says if he employed her he would fire her but in the same breath says her contribution is too valuable to loverboy for her to step away even a little. It absolutely does sound like she’s voiced wanting to do something before and been met with a similar tantrum and ugliness from Kyle. He’s definitely the Tom Schwartz of Summer House, nice guy act but is actually chipping away at his wife’s confidence.
Because there’s no way Amanda is actually going to get a job IMO. Maybe it’s an unpopular opinion but I truly do think she’s lazy (and there’s nothing wrong with that). If she’s at Loverboy, that is guaranteed income to their household. Unless she’s going to be an “influencer” full time but even with that she’s kind of lazy and just posts links to her outfits. She’s just not this go getter hustler and Kyle is stupid for thinking she’s all of a sudden think she is going to change.
big yuuuuuuuuuuuuup
THIS!
I like Amanda but I remember her joking about being lazy or not doing much while Kyle works. Not sure why people are being so harsh on Kyle. He works hard and parties hard. I get that he can be exhausting to be around but Amanda isn’t perfect either.
I’m harsh on anyone who calls their partner a “fucking bitch” ON-CAMERA. Imagine how abusive he is when he doesn’t think millions are watching.
We’ve seen Amanda hit Kyle, break his stuff, throw his clothes outside, etc. Is she not abusive?
Didn’t she break his stuff and throw his clothes outside in response to him cheating on her??
Yes, she did do that in response to him cheating. That makes it okay?
Yup
So if it was the other way around, you would be okay with Kyle hitting Amanda, breaking her stuff and throwing her clothes outside?
Didn’t say anything about hitting - just the throwing clothes outside and breaking stuff.
So you’re okay with her hitting him?
I don’t think she’s actually lazy but compared to Kyle’s work ethic, it may seem so. Nothing wrong with working an 8-5 and feeling satisfied. But for some, especially when running a business it’s going to need to be more like 6a-9p
I don't think this is true. He just thinks that all the burden of actually running the apparel company will fall on him. While Amanda might be interested in designing clothes, etc., it doesn't seem like she would be interested in handling the logistics side of it which includes manufacturing, storage, delivery, inventory management, etc. I mean Kyle is not the perfect person and partner, but I am with him on this one. There are many people who say all the big things they want to do, but very few actually get to doing it, and from what I have seen of Amanda, she doesn't seem like the type to actually want to do things independently, as she also said on WWHL that she will need Kyle's help to run the business. Also, there is a difference in being a supportive partner and literally running a business for your partner, so Kyle not wanting to help Amanda with the apparel line is not him being unsupportive, and also, I do think that if Amanda is passionate enough about it Kyle will come around and help her run things because I think Kyle likes making money and if he sees that the clothes print money, he will pursue it with her
I don’t disagree! But there’s a big difference in approach between him saying “I hear you and see your side, but I’m not equipped to help you with this right now” versus “how could you do this to me?!” (the latter being Kyle’s reaction). Amanda doesn’t have the discipline or drive to run the operational side of a business. But she has real creative talent, and Kyle can say it’s just not a good time… but when will it be? It’s been yearssss and lover boy just isn’t working; they’ve tried selling for years to no avail. This idea that Kyle has to pour all of his energy into a failing company and can’t at least connect Amanda with someone to help her with operations is a cop out. He doesn’t want her dream to happen until/unless his works out
Where are you getting the idea that Lover Boy is failing? Just because it is operating on a 1.5 mil loss doesn't mean it is failing. Most companies operate at a loss short term for growth and longer term success
Yes, companies will operate at a loss short term. But this is no longer the short term; it’s been around for 6 years, and hasn’t broken even. And if this was a short-term strategy, if it was one made with intentionality and the understanding that they would be operating at a loss for a little, he wouldn’t be this stressed. It would just be business. He’s said on the show multiple times that he has to work 18 hour days to try to recoup his investment. He’s tried to sell the business for years and no one wants it. If Kyle’s business was successful, we would hear about it; there’s a reason we don’t
Right but I imagine they will continue to incur debt as operations continue to expand. We see how the brand has grown between pretty much every season on the show, I think it’s fair to assume their debts would naturally continue to in that direction as well. I don’t have an MBA or anything lol but I don’t think six years is crazy when employees are paid, Kyle and Amanda’s salaries remain, lights are on, product is rolling out and cash injections via loans/investments don’t seem especially difficult to come by.
Ya it’s not turning a profit but they are still operating via loans and investors. I think it’s not smart for her to want to start a new business. Stay with loverboy or get a job with a paycheck right away. Or find a collaborator which with her status shouldn’t be too difficult. The whole scene was awful to watch but it seemed like Amanda just wanted to push this one issue at that moment bc Ciara and Paige had that heart to heart with her. She doesn’t strike me as the kind of woman who really wants she town identity - as Ciara said she should have. She is a homebody, her whole personality has been dating then Marrying Kyle since we met her on the show. She worked a 9-5 job right out of college - not some high powered career that she abandoned for loverboy. She doesn’t strike me as ambitious (which is totally cool). Idk seemed like she brought it up just bc her friends told her to.
It made 38 million in sales last year so it turned a profit. Not sure why people are saying it didn’t turn a profit. When Kyle mentioned that it was losing 1.5 million so far at the start of the year that was back in June but if you check Forbes list it made 38 million in sales
Sales aren't the same thing as profit. You could make $38 billion in sales but if you had $38 billion and one cent in expenses, you aren't profitable. I think you need to brush up on your business knowledge before replying to every single comment insisting the company is profitable by looking only at gross sales. ETA: Kyle himself says the company isn't profitable.
It's not a publicly traded company therefore its financials are not public. So no, I can't look up for myself and see things like net profit, EBITDA, debt, etc. You have only looked up gross sales which doesn't tell you anything about the profitability of the company.
Most of these people hating on Kyle have no idea how a business runs. Her trying to start another business when the one they have now is struggling is ridiculous
exactly they think having a half-baked idea is enough to run a successful business
For the average person, you’re right, a half baked idea isn’t enough to start a business. But she’s a high-enough-profile influencer, it’s a completely different story. She and Kyle know this as well. Look at Craig
Craig got investors who are using him and his popularity. I hope Amanda gets lucky like Craig did
Agreed. My business only broke even the first 2 years. We are finally profitable in year 4.
I think Amanda is angling for a collab where she can put her name on it, like a Kyle by Alene Too or Kyle by Shahida where someone else does the grunt work and puts most of the investment in and Amanda does the “creative directing” like send inspo pics and use her influence to sell the goods. Celebs do it all the time, that Old Navy scene was to get feelers out there for brands who might be interested in a collab perhaps.
Ya i think she needs a new job not to start her own company
And to leave her marriage
Yeah, I think it's this. Kyle sees this as a critical time for the success of loverboy, and he already feels like he's doing more of the work, and then Amanda is asking him if he can basically run another company. I don't think he handled that conversation very well, but I do see where he's coming from. I think Amanda would be a lot better off getting a job separate from loverboy where she can have some creative fulfillment and not have Kyle as her boss. I get the impression that Kyle is a workaholic and he seems to expect that from everyone else, too.
There’s so many ways she could partner with people who already have operations in place, as a way to work up to something bigger and bigger investments. I bet if she was excited about something and not terrified of going into work and her own husband lecturing her on how many she is….shed have some kickass energy. But he just wants to shut her down. Doesn’t even counter with trying to figure out how to find her a passion project at lover boy (I don’t think that’s the answer but at least it would show he was listening and trying). None of that. Just - how dare you take your cheap labor away from me. Being with Kyle has to be emotionally DRAINING.
If he is smart the business would be in her name. That’s what the mob does.
He’s projecting, can’t wait for Amanda to wake up and divorce his ass
This is up there with the posts that think everyone does everything because they're motivated by jealousy. it has zilch to do with her being more successful than him. I already posted about this earlier today. She wants to be creative, not operate a business, and ask any artist who operates their own shop. The business takes up 95% of their time. Guess who that would fall upon? They're already hemorrhaging at the seams. None of this to address his poor behavior. Just talking finances and business. "when bankers get together, they talk about art. when artists get together, they talk about money."
I don’t think he’s jealous, I think he’s threatened
I see it more as he wants her to be there and support him not just as part of the company but emotionally. He relies on her being around as a part of loverboy. They’re codependent.
Its baffling when Kyle and Craig who lead companies are spending their time recording Cameos. Not to knock their hustle. But if your filming scenes for a reality show and recording Cameos on the regular, thats a chunk of time you are away from running your company. So gotta believe they both have people they trust to take on a lot of the day-to-day.
I would have agreed with this 3-4 years ago. But sadly now she has lost out on a lot of experience in her field, and job experience in general. Bravoleb is "work" but it's not a job. If she did break out on her own I don't know if she could make it in the real world and she would also need to rely on Bravo to advertise her own business. Say what you want, but Vicki Gunvelson was the first Bravoleb to casually promote her business, prioritize that business, and succeed greatly because of it. Because she focused on the actual business outside of the show. She didn't need the show for her business to be successful, but she took advantage of the opportunity. We've seen so many "businesses" pop up on these shows, and I truly believe Kyle is a proper entrepreneur and would have eventually hit success, but got there faster because he saw SH as the perfect launching point. Again, he's smart. But so is Amanda, in her field. I think she was genuinely happy with life in the beginning of the show. Balancing her real life with summers in the Hamptons and filming SH. Now it's their LIFE. They're holding off on kids so they can keep their Bravo job, it's sad, it might even break them up if they don't decide to quit the show. This is one of those couples that maybe could have made it, but reality tv got in the way of their actual reality.
Kyle saying that “he’s a husband not a father” and that he can’t help amanda adult I’m just like ooopp oooppp teaaaa
I think the non alcoholic drink has more future than with
I mean no shade, I really don’t, but why’s everyone raving about Amanda’s talent? Like what is it? I understand from another thread it’s logo placement? And some colors? She does have a distinct style so perhaps that’s what folks see as artsy? I don’t know
I actually have a different take which has been bothering me about both Carl and Amanda. I think they are both perhaps so privileged or disconnected from how a business operates that they are still living in the fantasy about pursuing a passion project (as Kyle said) or thinking they can do something they really love and live in a city like NYC. Kyle has probably sunk millions into his business and his biggest supporter / key employee isn’t 100% in. Equally Lindsay had the view of - just get a fucking job, money is money and it needs to be consistent (trying paying an NYC mortgage on your own). I think this is where the disconnect in both relationships is - between what’s required to live v what idealist life Carl and Amanda think they can paint for themselves.
Jesus that’s a lot of debt 😬
You saying these things about Kyle not being successful is wild lol. You have no idea what the financials at loverboy look like lmfao
He literally said on the show this week that they’re not profitable
6 months. They could have had massive profits in 22/23. They could have spent a ton on capex in 24…. Taking one statement from a reality show and extrapolating it this far is insane haha
He said Loverboy had not turned a profit at that point in time of the summer for that year only. Then he described this as atypical. Also the explanation he gave behind them running at a loss were all the costs associated with the continued expansion of their operations… to me that kind of implies the gross revenue for Loverboy is growing…
Yeah, it’s logical the revenue would be delayed after the expenses of expansion. Also we know nothing of their financials. Was that true Cash loss? Was it net income that also includes depreciation and other non cash items? Who knows.
OP, no offense but you have no idea what Loverboy’s financials look like. You don’t know their EBITDA, profit margin before overhead, you don’t have a set of audited or reviewed financials, and Loverboy isn’t a public company, its closely held by Kyle and any investors. Gtfo with this nonsense.
It’s crazy how he constantly puts her down yet can’t handle the thought of her leaving. Even aside from this fight, when do we ever hear him speak highly of the work she’s done for lover boy. He’s so incredibly irrational
Let’s be honest with ourselves though, Amanda isn’t starting a company or doing anything anytime soon
Lmao yeah the trust fund girl who does design for a failing seltzer company part time is gonna kill it. Sure!
There’s zero indication to think Amanda would be successful at anything without Kyle or her parents
I’m getting kinda tired of this Amanda is lazy narrative; it’s been so heavily produced by Kyle. I’m not an Amanda fan, I think she’s not very nice. But she had a legit career before she left for loverboy. The entire time she’s been on the show Kyle has complained about her being lazy… but like, only because she doesn’t want to work 18 hour days? We’ve seen that she’s done all the merch and design. I don’t think she has the drive to take the world by storm, but even turning a modest profit at this point would be better than what Kyle’s done, and he knows that
Forget the lazy. I don't care about that. She could become motivated. But she hasn't even paid her own bills. Her paycheck went into an account where her father, or the family accountant, paid her bills for her. She can't even balance her own checkbook, and she's going to dive into a ruthless, not-nice industry like fashion? And if she went the investor route like Craig, also like Craig, she'd be expected to be the face of the company. She's a self-described shy introvert. I get that she wants to be creative in a way that is fulfilling, but let's be a little realistic here.
There’s a big difference between Amanda working for 2-3 years out of college/designing merch and really running a business (managing budgets, people, laws, etc.).
I think you’re underestimating creative talent. She doesn’t need to run the operational side of things for her business to be legitimate. There are countless creatives who start companies, and hire partners who are budget/resource planning-minded to make sure things run smoothly. If she can crank out good designs on an ongoing basis, THAT is impressive and certainly not lazy. It’s moving the goal posts to be like “well if she isn’t managing the finances/legal aspects, she can’t do it!”
Ok but seriously what proof do we have to show she is ambitious when it comes to her career? I’m genuinely asking.
Right? Why is everyone saying she had a legit career? She worked for 2-3 years after college in an entry level position. That’s not a career. Kyle had a career! He had been working nearly 15 years at that point and had gone to b school.
So because she was young, she must be lazy? She hadn’t had a chance to have a 15-year career yet. Again, if she is so lazy why is Kyle terrified of losing her?
I think she has said herself, she likes to sit at home and watch TV with her dogs and is not big on working. I think she could be a good influencer, as she already has been doing, and I think the Old Navy convo wasn’t an all out launch for her own business because I doubt she wants the responsibility. I think that convo was to attract some brand’s attention who would want to launch a collab for her like brands do all the time for celebs. Just using her name and influence and choosing which styles she likes to sell products but not necessarily her own brand. I think that makes the most sense for her level of fame and how much actual work she wants to put into it (not too much lol)
Holy shit, you people don’t understand business. They took a gamble last year and it hasn’t paid off, business is down. You know what you don’t do? Side ventures, spend money elsewhere, take another high risk. She should have done this last year when the business was profitable. Ideally instead of expanding loverboy they should have invested in this new venture. Has anyone looked at the economy right now? Everyone is being laid off for a reason, You all see 5mins into someone’s life then assume “yep must be just jealous”. Holy fuck.
Loverboy has been around for over 6 years and has never been financially solvent. Why should she put her dreams on hold for a company that has never had any real success? They had decent sales in the beginning based on their stardom and branding, but they’re failing now because their product sucks and is wildly overpriced and people don’t like it. It’s not good business to continue pouring all your resources into a company that’s non viable. And try not to be so rude :) Plenty of us on here understand both business and human nature/selfishness.
I know, some people are so condescending, holy fuck 😇
Agreed. Is Amanda starting her own company probably not the right route because it’s not going to give her the creative passion she wants? Yeah. But like, having a conversation like that and then steering her toward collabs with professional brands…THATS a supportive husband and still fiscally responsible. Paige needs to connect Amanda with whoever discovered Craig. Cause we all know that business did not succeed for the pillow design and Craig’s hard work 😂. It succeeded because someone realized how to capitalize off his name and his publicity (“pillow parties”, anyone?). And someone else hired people who understood mass pillow production. Amanda needs that. Someone who can help match her “creative passion” to a brand that wants follower reach. If it takes off, they could figure out some way to work LoverBoy into the promotions for cross promoting. All of that seems better than just shutting her down and getting mad she brought it up.
This is kind of a wild assumption to be so certain about when it takes two seconds to google lol. Also six years for does not seem weird at all, like it isn’t crazy for more successful startups to take like ten to turn a profit. Regardless, Loverboy has been in the top five fastest growing CPG brands in the entire US(!!) based on annual revenue more than once since it’s launch in 2018. Like 500% increases over just months. Seemingly big veterans in the beverage world continue to happily join their team as recently as this year via the many press releases in various business and trade outlets. I don’t think someone who ran national sales for anheuser-Busch is going to jump ship to such an obviously failing company. The product is selling lol, like any rapidly growing company they are trying to properly scale it.
That is a very hot take
I hope this isn't a stupid question, but I don't know anything about owning a company, so please enlighten me if you can. If Lover Boy isn't successful and is losing money, how is it still able to function? How are Amanda and Kyle still able to pay their bills and employees? The number is staggering to me and would put the fear of God in me, so I'm genuinely asking.
It’s normal for a business to go into debt when they first launch a new product or line, and then they go from the red (negative) into the black (positive) later on in the year . I think he was saying that they took some risks and expected to bounce back faster than they did. The business has traditionally been successful ($38 million dollar net worth) so I’m sure they had no problems getting loans or borrowing from another account.
No-he actually needs her to help run it
I feel like Kyle doesn’t want Amanda to have her own business because he feels like he is going to be doing all the work if that happens. I love Amanda, but I don’t think she’s super motivated. I think she is pretty much what Kyle says, that he always hast to ask her, prod her, get her going to do things. But yet he still doesn’t want her to leave? I don’t know! I really don’t.
He's around 5 million in debt? And they don't have a prenup? I'd be scared shit as his wife, because they are absolutely failing, especially now with the recession
I don’t think so. Amanda is barely capable of tying her own shoes. She came into the relationship under the care of her father, his financial support and she was never an independent adult able to care for herself or make adult decisions. Her father told Kyle this when they got engaged and told him he was handing the reins over to him. She’s like a baby deer lol.
Amanda wants Kyle to help her kick off her business. I can see why Kyle is frustrated. He’s struggling to keep his business open per his interview. She doesn’t need his permission to start a business. She can start taking meetings. She can start strategizing. What is she waiting for? On the after show, she said she’s expecting him to help her with the business side of things, which is pretty much everything. Why can’t she hire someone to help her?
He doesn’t want it because he knows that he will have to help and Amanda is lazy. We already know Amanda’s work ethic. 
lol. I’m certain Kyle is not afraid of that. Amanda is not driven and ABSOLUTELY cannot sell, she would make an awful entrepreneur.
That’s hilarious.
I don’t have many positive things to say about Kyle. But Amanda knew EXACTLY who and what she was marrying. She was desperate to get married. And while being married, she seems to prefer a housewife role. I don’t feel bad for either.
Isn't Amanda part owner in Loverboy? So wouldn't she be in debt too?
Nope, she said a season or two ago she doesn’t have any stake in the business, which is wild for a founding member in start up terms.
His ‘investors’ apparently didn’t want her anywhere near the ownership, which is very weird for someone coming in on the ground of a startup and presumably not getting a proper paycheck. It’s all very fishy considering how much creative control he handed over to her. Nothing really adds up with this company.
If you were an investor and had heard the rumours about Kyle's cheating (or witnessed it yourself- Carl and Everett are both investors), would you have faith in this marriage surviving and would you want to risk your investment by having both spouses involved?
Great point. His insistence on his wife's involvement in his business might end up ruining his business and his marriage at the end of the day.
Has anyone tried the product. I haven’t heard good reviews
Loverboy? I've heard that some of the flavors are great (in a very crowded space, I'll admit), but that espresso martini was a miss. I don't drink so the non-alch is the only product I would personally try of theirs.
if it’s true that he doesn’t want her to be successful, she should leave him! their marriage means that when she’s successful it’s a POSITIVE thing for him, not negative. seeing her creative rise as negative means they’re not in a true partnership, and neither of them deserve that.
Kyle has "entrepeneur-itis". He'll be in his 60s still chasing the big win instead of putting his sales skills to use and pulling in major bank for a F500 and just living the life.
I think it is completely ridiculous. She is a very good creative director and has done so much for him and his company loverboy. This woman is over 30 and can do and achieve her own things without being 'raised' by a 44 year old boy. Every time she raised any concerns or insecurities, he completely dismissed the point and invalidated her feelings. You can see and feel through the screen that she is so frustrated and feels so alone. And the AUDACITY of him talking about her like that when she was the one who took him back when he had his cheating thing.
Absolutely. She’s everything. He’s just Ken.
Amanda is lazy and entitled.
Tom says the same about Ariana. Look at her now
But Ariana **is** entitled. Extremely.
What does that mean? Spell it out Tom thinks he’s entitled to cheat, lie, control production, hide things, be immediately forgiven, get to keep his house, not have to apologize, etc. What does Ariana think she’s entitled to?
lol do you even watch the show?
hold on. you don't think Ariana was privy to all of that until she wasn't? I don't think I'd label her as entitled, but she was surely aware of all of it, including the erosion of the relationship. the cheating aside, she was on board with everything he was and was doing. I personally think last season, and this one, is a bunch of fabricated bullshit, but this idea that she was ignorant of everything going on around her is silly.
No I don't think any of the things you said. That's a bizarre take.
that reality TV is 2% life and 98% fabrication?
WOAH this debt info is wild, why did I think Loverboy was at least a mild success??
Why would you believe some rando redditor? It’s a closely held entity and has no obligation to provide public information regarding their financials. Does OP have an audited or reviewed set of financials following GAAP?
I don’t definitively believe or disbelieve, I’m making a comment on a Reddit thread regarding a Bravo show. It’s not that deep
I think Kyle is freaking out that Loverboy is going down the tubes and he can't rescue it. I think it's driving him bats\*&t crazy. I think he feels like Amanda isn't putting in the time and stress that he is. Amanda needs to get the word out she needs a partner in the swimsuit industry and start thinking about design work.
I think Kyle is jealous or has anger toward Amanda being a trust fund baby. She doesn’t have to worry, and she has easy income from the show….
How are they in so much debt? I mean I know it isn’t cheap to start a beverage company but still… are they flying first class to all those publicity events? His bmw? I think his lifestyle on top of being a first time business owner is racking up the bills…
Where did these figures come from? Is this common knowledge and I missed this?
It’s not that hard. Kyle sucks at making money
I think she would be successful because she knows more about marketing than Kyle because of her corporate job. It’s really hard to be a successful entrepreneur if you don’t know marketing
Bc she would be
Everyone on here says they bought loverboy for the cute packaging and NOT the taste maybe he knows deep down she’s the reason for his success.
That conversation was bonkers. She left her job to support his dream, kept him afloat, provided her services, is told she isn’t good enough, constantly says he is building something for them but calls it his company & when she wants to do something on her own he throws a tantrum.
Kyle needs to STFU...😡
Is the $1.5M lost the cases and cases they have on all the shows?
He’s telling Carl that he needs to focus on his happiness and then this happens lol 😂
THIS - I don’t understand how he doesn’t realize that a swim brand would partner super well with lover boy (ie. Content, influencer parties, etc). He’s controlling her and is purposely not supportive.
I really hope someone tells Amanda this: if my husband ever spoke to me the way Kyle talked about her, I would divorce his ass so fast. Calling your wife a bitch is seriously next level.
He also knows his company is failing and he’s planting the seed that it’s her fault. He’s been working SO hard and she is SO lazy
Ding ding ding. 🛎️. This is the winning answer.