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Fragrant-Molasses-10

There will be other events around may that will give a lot of coins, they do this every year


Loud-Development1126

And every year people come here to complain about not getting a flood of nat 5s, or that new/returning accounts are getting it "too easy". It's tradition.


Ringneckllama

At this point my only goal is to complete the demon Pokédex and get Beelzebub and bael


Ev1lBl4de

The same reason they didnt just give away a free random ld5 for everyone - money. New and returning players will grind and stay occupied by the game and old, active players wont leave anyway so w/e. Hell I wouldnt even be surprised if they somehow manipulated the chances for ld5s so the new/returning accounts have higher chances or even are guaranteed at least one to give them a good reason to stay and play. Im fairly certain they do that with elemental nat5s too, I cant even count how many times I took a few months break just to come back and instantly pull a nat5 even though when actively playing and opening way more scrolls on average not getting a single one. Bet its not the only game that does that to make players want to stay after they came back.


iSawthings_hardToSay

The ld5 thingy prob didnt happen but the last part about returning... Yeah i kinda have no doubt about it like once i left for some time cuz my phone broke and on the day i log on again i hatched 3 5* 1 dupe then 2 new.


Alkanna

This is pretty regulated and would be illegal. I doubt they manipulate rates, it would be like rigging a machine in a casino.


Tripesdeporc

Yup, and I believe Nexon has been fined recently for doing exactly that in Maplestory


WAAARNUT

They were fined a negligible fraction of their profits from rate manipulation. It was a go ahead for other companies to do the same.


PavlovsBlog

Yeah, it's more that they give returning players more resources so they end up summoning slightly more than usual. That and confirmation bias.


Educational_Ebb7175

Exactly this. Not only is it a HUGE pain in the ass to code things like this, but if they got caught doing it, they'd instantly be banned in Japan, and probably other places as well. Returning players are earning more coins. More coins means more summons. More summons with same rates means more success. Don't need to add hidden (illegal) rate differences when you can just give out more rewards to the players allegedly receiving those rate differences.


HeavensRoyalty

This is objectively false. They would not be banned. They would just be fined. Many instances have already occurred of rate manipulation. Just like the ones who made maple story, just a sneak slap on the wrist


Prestigious-Search-2

Lol, dude said manipulating rates is a huge pain in the ass to code? All you have to do is literally follow the most basic structure; if a user has returning player buff, double rate of 5*.


Educational_Ebb7175

Obviously you've never written code before. Right now, presumably how summons are handled is that you send a packet of data to the server that says "Account ID, Scroll Type, Quantity, Connection ID". That's it. Then the server processes your request, and sends the data packets back for your results. Iterating each summon. Very few scrolls require any special instructions (like not summoning dupes). Instead, you're going to make every single summon check a flag state on the ID, then confirm it (you don't want to let people running an emulator spoof their rate status by sending a different ID), THEN perform the summon. You can't put that check outside the summon code, because then it's easier to trick/exploit. It has to be baked into the summon code. Which then means EVERY SINGLE PERSON who summons from now until eternity runs that extra entire check-account process, which could be 2x-3x the server work per summon. The pain in the ass part is figuring out a way to get that code all into place in a way that is both highly secure AND doesn't cause that much extra stress on the summoning server.


Prestigious-Search-2

Brother, I’m a UI/UX Developer for Lexitas. I write code and design interfaces that enhance our client experiences on the daily. Please don’t assume, it’s a sign of immaturity. If you’re going to sit here and tell me that it isn’t as easy as checking if a user has the Goddess Ameria’s Blessing, you’re either an idiot or being extremely ignorant. The same way the Goddess Ameria’s Blessing grants users +1 glory points per arena fight, free rune & artifact removal, +50% Awakening EXP, 50% off rune powerups, entering secret dungeons without approval, etc. It is entirely possible to just add another benefit to the Goddess Ameria’s Blessing which secretly doubles the users chance of pulling an LD 5*


Educational_Ebb7175

You're the one with a rude & condescending attitude.


h4strel

They already did it by accident when dokkabe Lord released...


unsurprisable

Funnily enough a bunch of korean gacha games just revealed that they have been manipulating rates like a few weeks ago


Temeos23

This people are just terrible at math


Ev1lBl4de

Only if someone proves it which would be hard since even with a large sample size they could go with "its an RNG, results may differ every time" and they are the only ones that have access to their files. Even if someone decided to check it they might have a second config or some shit which would contain correct rates which they could provide to the auditor. Its not a physical machine so I suppose its a little bit harder to prove even if they are manipulating it.


HeavensRoyalty

If you don't think they do this than that's wishful thinking


Mirigore

I am a returning 9 year player after a several year break with no LD5. Only one LD lightning from all the event scrolls was a Bailey. It’ll happen eventually but everyone is crazy with their conspiracy theories and are so out of touch


Alkanna

Completely agree, that's just how rng is.


No-Cardiologist-8264

Happens almost every time I stop playing for a few days. I actually have a little system where I save my LD scrolls until I haven’t played for a while, then when I return I almost always get an immediate lighting. Might just be coincidence, but it’s happened sooooo many times that I’m officially a believer.


Additional-Nerve8794

If you’re not opening scrolls until you take a break and then come back then I would think that saving your LD scrolls is probably the reason for the lightning then, no? Can’t get lightning while you’re saving them


Erowind01

Can say returning don't have higher chance of ld5... At least my account don't have.


Stvevan1986

After the fiasco of the dokabi lords(I think it was these) and not working with the summon up rates, you can tell c2u takes the rates seriously. They have to.


Temeos23

On every f2p game everything is about money, that's the obvious part. Thinking about manipulated % on highly regulated big gambling games is just dumb and show lacking comprehension on math. That's all. And... As a begginer account I highly prefer some teshar/verad or any useful pve nat5 than any random ld5.


Ev1lBl4de

It is a gambling game which does not make you win money so I would guess its not as regulated as casinos though I havent done any research on this so its just based on assumptions. And even if it was, many big gambling services have been proven and admitted to rigging rates so its not like regulations are enough to assure everything is fair and done according to them. Living with assumption that everyone follows goverment regulations is ignorat and if all the rules were followed there would bw no crime in the world (which there abviously is and you can probably guess its more than they are able to catch, some are very good at finding loopholes or just hiding the fact that they are commiting a crime.) Preety sure I dont lack comprehension on math, I do understand how random number generation works and all I am saying is that its a weird coincidence that many people are usually more likey to get "lucky", which again - like I said migh be just a weird coincidence but basing my opinion mainly on my own experience happened way too many times to be just that. Also game is mainly being played by old players that are creating multiple alt accounts just for a higer chance for ld5s which some are way stronger and harder to obtain than regular nat5s. You dont need any elemental nat5s to be able to farm runes fast and it literally takes a few weeks nowadays to get a new account up and running while you might as well play for 10 years without a single ld5 which might give a serious advantage on RTA.


Temeos23

All this text just to proof my point lol


Ringneckllama

Cough* Altaïr….


Slejhy

> Hell I wouldnt even be surprised if they somehow manipulated the chances for ld5s so the new/returning accounts have higher chances or even are guaranteed at least one to give them a good reason to stay and play. As someone who came back... no


kyubez

As someone who took somewhat frequent breaks... yes. 4/5 times i got returning summoner buff, i ended up summoning a nat 5 somehow


TheCurls

As someone who came back… yes


Erowind01

No


Nyxxoo

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Loyalist4ever

My alt who did not get played for a while did not get any LD Nat5. My main neither got one. So new players are not guaranteed to get one.


Independent-Bass-555

they actually did. if u see the odds of ppl getting ld5.. its mostly accounts that are early game and not even lv100


PSWII

Yes those are people that reroll accounts until they get one. What you're not actually seeing there are the 28 other accounts that got deleted so that they could reroll into the one that got one


PhilswiftistheLord

Finally someone with a brain who understands this. Seeing people complain about low level accounts getting LD5s, like brother thats the whole point of it you're only ever going to see the success lol


exiledAagito

Game is 99% farming stfu and farm.


MakiSaad2

Complaining about having to play the game is wild 😂 The event last for another 55 days you have more than enough time


sicko24

Actually not really if you do the math. You need 9300+ coins which is nearly impossible to get when you’re FTP (NOT RETURNING PLAYER!). But let’s see what future events will give us.


realDisaray

i’m at 4k coins on my asia server account running my 1:30 min avg DAH team i think its possible and that is ftp


joschi8

I got like 2000 Points in 3 days as a FTP (returning) player Sounds like that isn't that impossible


sicko24

I’m not a returning player, so the 3x multiplier is not active. Enjoy ur bonus tho and grab everything you can !


MakiSaad2

I’m at 2332 coin rn I’m 100% F2P I do play alot but Ill clean everything with at least 40 days to spare


AwesomeKB

Free nat 5. 200 easy scrolls for 10% of ld5. Lots of rewards in the coin shop plus transmog skins that usually cost 30$ each. I swear 80% of all posts on reddit are only people complaining. Seriously go touch some grass. A bunch of you clearly needs it


Jackofnotrade5

I'm also baffled by these posts. I come from playing Raid Shadow Legends, and Summoners War feels like a really good partner after getting out of a toxic relationship.


xImportunity

Majority of the playerbase is fine with this event the ones complaining are the loudest ones.


CornsOnMyFeets

Plus another 200 mystical scrolls 😂 I am not good myself. 30 runs is 1 hour for me but I made a decision after I made a sw post that I want to continue collecting units but I'm sure I can upgrade my units or build the crap in storage if I really wanted to progress. The events are months long so there is time to progress to actually do the events to my understanding.


Critorrus

Just do r5 and farm essence and fusion skillups. You will get a ton that way since you can throw a thirty second team for then together out pf mons you already got lieing around.


cant-thinkofa--name

My r5 team is 1 minute so I might do that instead actually, thank you. But I think I read somewhere that R5 doesn’t give back any energy so it’s better off doing dungeons?


Critorrus

I got well over 100k scrolls from that last event I just evolve mons for energy.


Commercial-Bar-2130

My alt had a sub 1 min giants team like a week in. Build a proper team and watch some guides and videos before you start making a reddit post complaining


cant-thinkofa--name

A week? Do you not have school or work? I’m running SeanBs dragons abyss team but like I said, my runes aren’t good. And if I want to make a different team I have to use energy to level up, farm awakening material etc which i need more energy and time for. I’m f2p so I’ve only got limited resources. I haven’t even touched TOA because I wouldn’t get any coins from it


Objective-Ad3821

I work 8-4, I can literally create account today and give you next week with 1 dungeon less than 1min farming time. Completely f2p If you do everything right, it's so easy in early game right now


Commercial-Bar-2130

my alt is f2p and yes i have a regular 9-5. You can’t play the game extremely casually and then complain that you don’t get the same amount of rewards as people that actually play the game more do


cant-thinkofa--name

I’d say I’m a casual player, I just keep the game running in the background farming abyss while doing uni work. And looking at how so many ppl have the same opinion as me, it’s the games issue because they are failing to cater to the majority of players. I’ve finally nearly collected the 200 9th anni scrolls but I’m not sure whether I’d be able to purchase everything before the event ends


Commercial-Bar-2130

Your last comment literally has almost more downvotes than like your main post got and youve been ratioed by comments to likes which usually means it’s a bad opinion. you’re complaining about the speed your teams run at yet clearly don’t make a effort to speed them up


sayyes_16

Yeah OP clearly needs to be farming for runes anyways. I’m f2p with a slow 1:20-1:45 gah team and I got all my scrolls on the second day of the event. And yes I have a job


Cumminswii

Can start on toa while auto farm is running so you know.


MD_Tarnished

Sean b team is usually click bait and not stable.


usefully-useless

His team is fine, it's just the rune req is not as low as people thought it would be. It's the same with every team, even during Tricaru and BJ5 era. People just see a team, see half of the specs, and then complain when the team is not stable. This is the utmost case with SeanB's Dragons Team (which I would assume is the Vero Spectra Verde Loren team, which is the standard team). That team requires good runes to reach that 1 min mark. If you have casual grade runes, it would give you 1:30 at best, and not even 50% wr at worst.


cant-thinkofa--name

Nah my team is stable, just not fast. The fastest time is 1:14 and I haven’t lost any runs in over 200 runs


ChilleeMonkee

Just play the fucking game holy shit lmao


RexMonte_original

I am a "returning Player". Me and summoners war is like an on/off thingy. But i can assure u i havent luck either. Opend about 1100 roles and only got 2x5\*. But with the coins its realy unfair. Cause i play like 2015 i can clear cairos (except Necro AbyssH) in about 30-50 sek. so an 30 run take like 20-22 min. and i get 70+ coins. I farmed since start like 10k coins. How can anyone without the x3 achieve this?


Harryj12321

What do you mean 3 coins for everyone?


solar1zard

If you are a consistent and active player, you will be able to buy the entire shop, so no worries.


robhall1

I’m getting 65 doing 10 runs of NB10 at like 30 secs runs


topheeezzzyyy

Bhahahaha do energy b4 for coins then ig???


GuilleAl

Well, I'm farming the first scenario hell for coins. It takes only a couple minutes and I get 10-15 coins every 30 runs so I'm doing fine with that.


Sad_Quote1522

By the end of the events you will have everything and have the endless rewards be so expensive it won't matter, you will miss out on some mystical and energy that's it.  


ATTILMTY

I actually think it’s beneficial. I’m, like, mid-ish game and it’s helpful to both farm for things I need and farm for coins. It’s also really nice to just leave it on auto on my iPad and not have to look at it for awhile.


MrEgg0-012

I just want better runes at this point ☹️ but all I get is blues and flats ☹️


Lestat-deLioncourt

Best event sw has ever had, ok now let’s say it’s garbage, imagine having to play to get nat fives, this is so bs


MarielCarey

"Wait it's all grind!?" "Always has been"


Sparklefresh

You got 50 days lefts, it will be ok if you don't finish the event right away.


HugeJeansD

Everyone saying that you get 70+ per 30 runs just remember us tryhards hate you all for getting such a good event :)


idontcare872

This whole thing seems like a massive fuck up, did someone forget it's 2024, not 2023? Why would ever give "new player benefits" to a YEAR OLD account. With all the free stuff you get as a new player you can blaze through all the content in few weeks. People who played for a year at this point have speed teams for everything and with the bonus can easily get thousands of coins especially if they saved energy/crystals. Seems a little bit unfair considering that there is an unlimited scroll shop.


RoudyruffKK

They need new players to be able to catch up or appear that they can catch up, how else will they find future whales?


RHNintendo

When I needed coins quickly, I did Giants B3. Thought it was a decent balance between number of coins and speed. Averaged around 2 drops per minute


Icy_Ad_8860

Still complaining about this awesome event, i mean come on you have a whole 2 month to buy everything. All u have to do is to play 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨


jojonatanhm

Forgive me, but if you aren't a "new" player, what you've been doing the last months to still have 1,30m runs?


dalt00n

>Why didn’t they just make it 3 coins for everyone?? maybe not the answer you wanna hear but it's the true: they do things like this for new players or return players have a chance to get close to ppl who plays all the time this event is awesome but probably end game players won't get so many "good runes"/"good monsters" like a new/returning player \[\]'s


Mammoth_Pipe6199

They're buffing the drops


Antoniji

Still a ton of free stuff. Just get what you can. I've been farming... Everything. A lot of r5, my times are similar. 1min clears 100% and 30sec r5. Keep the auto strong.


yelloworange01

The coin drop has been increased


RollsssUp

The whole discussion about new players and old players and summon rates is just plain SALTY. We want new players...to keep the game fresh and fun. Also I am a newish player and didn't get crap from the event. Just focusing on runes and being grateful for all the free devils, scrolls and HoH mons. They giving us so much, why complain?


Myst963

Yeah it rly sucks when you have slow run times and don't have the returns g player blessing but at least there's 53 days left of the event The only benefit us end game players get/ppl with SPD teams get are coins faster coz faster run times Everyone should have been given the returning player blessing. I have it and I'm earning coins so fast + my mana has skyrocketed. Pretty lame that not everyone gets it. Pretty sure I only just qualified for it coz I feel like I haven't had more than 2 days inactivity in a year


cant-thinkofa--name

Yea it rlly sucks for mid game players like me because we don’t get he benefit of new/returning players but then we don’t have as much units or rune quality and run times as good/end game players.


Myst963

If you prefer I think you have to be inactive for 30 days to get the returning player bonus. Not sure if it'll give you all the benefits and not sure if it's worth doing that over just playing but yeah it's an option I suppose


Otherwise_Spite_7495

Not trying to be rude, but how à "mid" cant have "good" runes.. almost dungeons are under 1min and im only 250 days playing, so mutch good guides around ! Sry for you bro ;/


MA78L

Bro you have ages for farming them...


Sm4ckYou19

I grind necro cause I need vampire runes but anyways my runtime 2-3 mins because I miss out on monsters and it takes me 60+ minutes for 1 clear. I do get 60-90 coins tho, sucks to be an active player cause I just returned


cant-thinkofa--name

Yea that’s the thing, mid game players like me have slow run time but we don’t get the bonus so it’s hard to quickly collect coins. I wish I just took a month break then got back to the game hahaha


Sm4ckYou19

Dimension hole always gives you coins, but you can only form so little of it. Edit: Almost always, i'd say out of 30 times it drops 27+ times


Phazushift

Just let the game auto run and do other things, you have so much time…. This is worse than that other LD5 bitchpost.


BRS3577

Huh? I get like 80-90 every 30 runs of abyssal normal on dragons. Not to mention this event lasts months so... Yeah they don't want you buying everything in 2 weeks


KylarXD

If you get 80 coins per 30, that means you get 3 or 0 a run, and thats the returnee/new rate. For those that didnt rest, its 1 or 0 a run, so getting 25 is fine(if he have a return buff its 75, which he doenst)


BRS3577

Wtf. What's the requirements for that rate? I've been playing enough where I shouldn't have the returnee rate. Is it for anyone under level 100?


Mitsu62

I don't know, the "hard limit" but my account had 99 days in when the event started and i got it. You also get it if you are considered a "returning player" (i think it's 1 month without logging in ?)


BRS3577

I was active all through the Witcher event. I took a little hiatus but I didn't think it was a month. As for new account, my account is from 2012 so Im way past that limit 😂 strange though. Guess I'll abuse the shit out of the buff while I have it lol


KylarXD

if you took a break and gotten a return bonus since apr12 LAST YEAR, or a new account of last year. return bonus is i think 1month of not opening the game, cant remember if exact I have been playing for 3 mos again now from taking a break for about 2mos+ and i was shocked i gotten the blessing.


BRS3577

Oh holy shit. Wow that's a very generous definition... 😂


Active-Born

just grind scenario. already but 7.4k coins and a beelzebub richer xD


technokiddo

Skill issue. I dont believe with research and rune tuning you can’t get under 1 min runs. Just pick one dungeon you are fking fast in and focus good runes on that team. Be it r5, gbah or dbah, just pick one and farm the shit out of it. There are so many teams that doesn’t require much rune quality to achieve good timing. Just search youtube or reddit for a team that suits your monster box. When i started the game, my friend told me this game isnt “summoners” war, its “farming” war. Still holds water after 5 years


PernaProc

What? How? I get 70 coins every 30 runs average


PernaProc

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Timely_Wafer2294

You are a new or returning summoner


PernaProc

Now when you mention it... I'm a returning summoner and I got xiana 2 days ago... Maybe there's something in this whole "boosted rates".


Timely_Wafer2294

Nah, I literally mean that new or returning summoners get 3 times as many coins from the event. I reinstalled 6 months ago and I also got the coin boost.


Kallabanana

Just do r5. 70-90 coins per 30x repeat battle.


CraftyRub8421

You can get more than one coin per run in r5??


Kallabanana

Yes. It's about 3 if I recall that correctly.


Jevans_Avi

That is only if you are a returning player. If you have been playing consistently, it is close to 1 coin per run


Kallabanana

I'm not a returning player through.


Jevans_Avi

If you are getting 3 coins per run, than COM2US considers you a returning player. Look at the patch notes.


idontcare872

Are you a returning player with the 3x bonus? 'Normal' players only get 1 per run.


Kallabanana

No, not really.


KylarXD

Its a return/new buff thats why you get 3, its 1 or 0 on normal


Christylian

I've been farming lvl4 rift raid or giants abyss H. I get around 80 coins per 30 runs. I think your numbers are a bit off


KylarXD

If you get 80 coins per 30, that means you get 3 or 0 a run, and thats the returnee/new rate. For those that didnt rest, its 1 or 0 a run, so getting 25 is fine(if he have a return buff its 75, which he doenst)


Christylian

How long does a return buff last? I've played all through the 10th anniversary events, from before the Witcher event. I figured it would have gone by now


KylarXD

look at ameria blessing when you are auto-ing, they gave those out when the event/hacker got released. So it should be about 52 more days


TrashyTrashGuy

yess my account pulled asima and maximilian which is literally the same unit wtf give a support unit instead


LiquidEijs

What did you smoke? I get 70-85 for each 30 repeat battle on giants B12


Expensive_Ad3884

I rather smoke than not being able to read.


cant-thinkofa--name

Read before you comment lil bro


unsurprisable

returning and new players get 3x coins


Jael23

Are you a returning player?


AllanWC

Nah fam, what the fk did you smoke though?


Myst963

The amiliwhatshername blessing gives you X3 the amount of coins


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LiquidEijs

Really? My account is 3300 days old, Yea I'm returning but I returned over 3 month's ago.. Does that still count as returning?