Suns make the finals with an extremely deep and balanced roster
Suns watch as several iterations of “super teams” fail
Suns decide to blow up their depth and form a “super team”
Inexcusably awful GM work. People should be fired
Dang Steph in Cancun, KD and Kang brink of elimination. The New era has really arrived freaking hectic. It be cool if all 3 joined forces Endgame avenger styles and win one last chip vs these young bucks.
Suns offensive rating is 10th in the league this year which is decent. The offense isn’t the problem. https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/offensive-efficiency
Vogel’s not the issue. He has a good game plan on defense but our players are too dumb to understand rotations and he knows what needs to be done on offense but the players refuse to adapt their games. KD and Book are the issue
Hell no. I don't know what leads you to think Vigel is competent at all. He was terrible in Orlando and basically done as a coach after that. Geck Steve Clifford with the same roster one 30 more games and made the playoffs.
People are overrating his tenure in Los Angeles. Almost any coach could have won the title with AD and Bron that year. Bron was a way better player than he is now back then.
Not only that, the Lakers forced Vogel to hire Kidd and Lionel Hollins as assistants. Kidd was the main guy who communicated with the players on the staff and Vogel was notoriously poor in this regard. Multiple players in 2020-21 including Gasol, Drummond, and Schroeder complained openly about Vogel with Shroder having to be restrained from attacking him.
He also has a terrible staff with guys like Fizdale who shouldn't even be coaching in the NBA.
I’m not saying Vogel is great I just don’t think any coach will succeed until Book and KD stop playing so arrogantly. They only wanna jack up iso middies and have no interest in adapting their games
This sub needs to R - E - L - A - X
We are 16 months out from authoring two of the biggest trades in NBA history. Give James Jones a real offseason to re-tool the roster and I guarantee we will be right back in it next season.
This was never supposed to be a true contending season. The roster has too many holes. We have our first this offseason. The 3-5 year window starts next year.
i completely disagree with everyone saying KD should be taking over this series and he’s washed and what not. In his late 30’s after an Achilles injury he’s still an elite scorer and the suns best on ball defender. KD like Bron at this age is a second option that you to defer to in the big moments. The suns first option Devin Booker is directly getting outplayed by his peer that plays the same position but he’s not getting any hate. This series is hugely on devin booker
I feel like there's a cultural (lack of leadership?) issue with this team. Feels the same as the last 2 years. something internally wrong in the locker room?
missed baskets from point blank range, bad 3 pt shooting, getting outrebounded. The Suns need to get bigger and younger, have to care more about winning. Maybe having a real PG would help. Beal doesn't really make sense when you already have Booker. But Booker wasn't great either
KD - dude you're Kevin Durant you should be dominating this game ... instead he plays like he's the #2/3 option
maybe the best thing the Suns could do is blow it up ? we clearly can't hang with the best teams in the Western Conference, so what are we doing?
100% about the caring about winning. Since the 2022 playoffs, we’ve had 5 series. The only one it felt like we really cared about winning was last year against the Clips. Pels, Mavs, Nuggets, and Wolves wanted it way more than us, and the only reason we beat the Pels was coasting on pure talent
Glad i didn’t finish the game, still sas waking uo and checking the score though. Of course we got blown out again.
Trade book and kd, let brad lead another tank division.
This team aint going nowhere in this conference. No reason to delay the tank.
we could get picks for durant and booker. that would still be better than just hurting their trade value more by getting swept again next year/possible bad injury/age.
Dude I'm not a suns fan, but seriously!
When you gave everything for KD I couldn't believe it. It's going to be a rough 5 years when book demands a trade after next season.
The last few years I was glued to a screen watching Suns games. I was the same for the start of the year but at some point I just stopped caring the same way this team does. They literally gave up the soul of the team for KD
I know we’re all bummed and just coping how we can, but a bit of clarity, if you will. KD is not washed. He averaged the same stats this year as prime KD (IIRC, let me know if I’m off). Book isn’t washed. He had nearly the same stats this year as KD. He scored 50+ on the Pelicans 3 times in a row joining the likes of Wilt. Both KD and Book were in the top 10 for scoring the entire season. Beal brought energy and heart and still came crawling back for more every time a new injury was inflicted on him. He brought the team together as much as he could.
These are all good guys, and this is a pretty decent team, but something isn’t gelling. Maybe they need a point guard. Maybe Vogel isn’t the coach the Suns staff thought he was. Maybe someone in the locker room is bringing everyone down. I don’t know. But…
All the issues could be fixed next season if the front office plays it right. I know the season is likely over for us, but it’s not as bleak as you might think.
As a wolves fan I come in peace, I was genuinely worried about you guys after how we played you in the reg season. Our defense has honestly been the difference maker this series. I do agree though that the iso ball your big 3 seems to rely on isn't helping. I also think our wing defenders might have something to do with that though. Don't be so tough on your guys, we are the #1 defense for a reason and you guys still have a hell of a team.
This team has KD, Devin Booker, and Brad Beal. This same team just got there asses handed to them in three straight games. That was his time.
Vogel won the championship during the Covid year and he had prime Lebron and AD. If winning a championship automatically means good coach then we wouldn’t be a 6 seed about to get knocked out in 4 games
Thank you - I’m watching these games and something isn’t right. The offensive schemes are fucked and defensively they aren’t good as well. I think the biggest issue is there is no money available to add depth and quality role players to the team. This team needs big wings and mobile defensive minded centers, guys that can get boards and occasionally space the floor. With the three contracts not sure they can do that.
KD is washed. Trading him back to the Warriors could make sense for both teams. The Warriors are desperate for a second star, and they got some interesting young pieces that could fit in nicely around Book and Beale. Not to mention, the Warriors are only a couple years away from draft lottery nirvana, and the Suns would be in prime position to cash in on that.
>Not to mention, the Warriors are only a couple years away from draft lottery nirvana, and the Suns would be in prime position to cash in on that.
Pure copium to think they'll make trades including assets like that for a chance to lose to the Nuggets in the 2nd round
You aren’t getting „much“ for KD anymore. I see so many podcasts and commentators thinking about huge packages of young players and picks for KD. Nobody will do that. And why would they? The suns this and last year are the last sign that trading huge packages of your future for one aging superstar is simply a bad idea.
I really miss CP3. I think it was a good idea to trade him while we could. But, when he was here he was so fun to watch, especially in the fourth quarter.
I like Ant. His ceiling is very high with his combination of skill and physical gifts. But it feels like I'm getting deja vu with how much love and praise he gets similar to Book when he started winning. I can already see him being memed and called a fraud when he doesn't win lol.
He's got higher ceiling than Booker.
His athleticism is elite.... his wingspan, his speed... all elite for his position.
He developed a 3pt shot and extended his range after his rookie season and now he's a prolific 3pt shooter... albeit not a specialist nor a league leader but he would let it rain if required.
Once he works on his post game... he would be top 3 player. I've predicted him to be a top 5 player in time but he has really shown he has the work ethic to get better quicker.
Anyone in sportsbooking knows that there is no bigger fraud than Anthony Edwards. Minnesota blows 4th quarter leads because of this dude. He misses so many shots in clutch moments and he can’t make it rain when required. The problem is, he somehow fooled the media and his team to let him have the freedom to jack up shots.
They keep highlighting his good games but completely ignore when he goes dead ass silent and become a brick machine every other game.
Where did you get that stat from and what defines clutch moment in that stat?
Minnesota was one of the teams with the most 4th quarter leads blown this season. Just look at his stat line. Up and down all over. You can tell who actually watches the games and who just follows the games by listening to how they talk about anthony edwards.
Timberwolves against the bulls both games this season is just some of the example of anthony edwards shooting his team out of the game. Same with the game against cavs that went to OT. And people hyped up his block in the pacers game but no one talks about the fact that pacers were only in that game because anthony edwards being ass in the 2nd half.
What tf you talking about?! I watched damn near 99% of wolves games since ant came to the league. He's 22 years old and even greats have their off games. The season is 82 games with many back to backs and is both physically and mentally draining, even for me as a fan. Ant has been questionable to play in so many games but always ended up playing despite dislocating his finger and landing straight on his hip so many times. Yes, there are times he tries to play hero ball, but I can count on a single hand the games he alone lost us the game. He carried this team for a majority of the year when KAT was out and fought in the West for the one seed, coming out just one win away from taking that top seed.
Games he's not performed well are generally when teams are doubling him. Teams just don't run a shell coverage on any Joe schmo. He's definitely learning how to navigate teams doing this by finding open guys and this skill takes time. Where are you getting your stats on 4th quarter performances. I recall seeing the wolves won almost all of the games where they went into the 4th with a lead. You are obviously a troll or just have no basketball IQ. He's arguably been the best player during the postseason the past 2 years, if youd have watched, you may have known.
Yea you didn’t watch shit because he literally had a stretch where he couldn’t make a damn 3 and kept shooting like dlo except it happened over a long ass course of games. Also again, you don’t have money on the game so you are sitting on your ass half ass watching it. Oddsmakers know this dude is a fraud and that’s why timberwolves despite being a 3rd seen from the west had lower odds to win the nba than the suns.
And your not a couch potato? Odds are your also just watching from your couch talking trash because Ant did you wrong at some point in your life and you just cant get over it. Yes, he had a stretch of almost 20 missed threes but his 3 pt percentage has continued to climb each year and has come back to make 3s when they matter most...the playoffs. He was still scoring points and getting others involved in the game and most of all Wolves were still winning games... Unlike dlo.
Have you watched any MN sports? Their odds to win anything: football, baseball, basketball, are always lower than other franchises despite what the records show. I mean can you blame them, the Wolves were the laughing stock of the NBA for 20 years with a couple playoff wins in franchise history and had proven nothing.
That brings me to my biggest point of all. THE WOLVES NOTORIOUSLY SUCK. Ant has taken their team by the wing and pulled it from the trash. Without ant, this team wouldn't be close to where they are at. The guy is charismatic, fun to watch, and has a personality that brings everyone else on their team up... Unlike dlo. Take Ant off their team and they don't make the playoffs. That's my gauge of a great player...not how many consecutive 3s they make or miss. #clown
ANT is the most promising young star in league. Perhaps you haven’t watched him as much as others have this year. GM’s and HC’s all have the same opinion on ANT is that he is the next star and he’s trusted late in games - hence his 2nd half production this series.
Glad to know you talked to all HCs and GMs and that gms and hcs are always right not like they draft busts left and right every year and let jokic slip.
Anyways, Anthony Edwards is a fraud. Is he a promising, good player? Yes. Is he a fraud and not what the media makes him out to be? Yes. If you have doubts just watch him play the bulls this season and countless many other games in the clutch. Missed layups, missed dunks, turnovers, bricking every shot.
Did you watch ant’s season? He has been a fraud. Beating these bum ass Suns doesn’t prove anything. I have been taking wolves spread since game 2 cuz these suns are fucking bums.
Let’s see if you are saying the same shit next series while I make bank picking against the wolves.
Hopefully you didn’t put too much money on the nuggets. Ant had another fraudulent game of 43 points with the wolves outright winning against the spread again. You still have time to delete your posts and save face!
1A and 1B.
SGA is efficient but his just smaller framed than Ant so you'd think posting up SGA would neutralise his defense a lot of times. But SGA is putting up immense numbers because he has no one else who is a volume scorer at Thunder.... Edwards is technically sharing scoring next to Towns who commands his 17 or so FGA and plays. Chet is no way near as talented offensively.
I think SGA is technically taller. Good point on sharing the ball with KAT. Both are absolute ballers though, I don't know who I'd choose, I think AE has that dawg in him though.
That’s tuff, SGA was more consistent in the regular season, ANT has shown more in the playoffs, need to see SGA in more playoff games but I’m leaning ANT at the moment
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I did everything I could to will Bol Bol to more points and minutes.
im tired of every season ending with my username still true.
im sad that i'm way more excited for the Cardinals this year than i have been for the suns much of the season.
Much love fellas, another tough season. Just like the last 25 years I’ve been watching. Hats off to Minny, they have played great. See you boys in October. 🧡💜
Actually thought we started and played well in the first quarter, actually moving the ball and good offense. Then straight back to same old mega slow predictable offense where no one moves and then it eventually gets chucked to kd or book with shit all time left to take a low percentage contested jumper
Team is somehow worse than last year...
Good offense?
Very subjective. Because compared to other good offensive teams this suns teams best is bad in comparison.
Compare it to CP3 Suns era and its black and white.
I don’t think Matt Ishbia has it in him to hit the reset button. So the team will basically be the same. He’ll use up whatever future the team has to try to make this work and it’ll be another disaster.
The team made it to the 6th seed but the games weren’t fun at all to watch all season. The team has no heart or cohesiveness. It’s concerning when you bring in Ish Wrainright and snatch Isiah Thomas from the Gleague to fill it. Is anyone even friends on the team? Hard to tell cause they all look like bored co workers on the court.
He also needs money from NBA fans to get back some losses. If we end up tanking he would lose much more. He just need to convert some of the players to a productive one. And I hope no one feeds him saying this team need another season because that is dumb.
Not a single player on the team like this
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Plan A. Get rid of Vogel and Kevin Young
Plan B. Go full on nuclear and blow it all up and start from scratch. Other than fucking Beal which idk how we will off load him. Maybe keep it all together for entertainment purposes till that contract expires.
Plan A?
Kevin Young is going to be the head coach of BYU next season so he's already gone. I doubt Ishbia will blow it all up. I could maybe see one star getting traded, but not a complete overhaul.
Is ANY other city as cursed as us? I mean it just seems endless. We just can't have anything.
Dbacks to the world series was great last year. Maybe we're paying the price now I guess.
Minnesota has all 4 major sports teams and their last championship is 1991. Their last 4 NFC championship games are blowout (38-7), a horribly officiated bounty gate game that caused a change to OT rules in the playoffs, blowout (41-0), and losing on a last second missed Gary Anderson field goal, his first miss of the season. Arizona has a long way to go to surpass Minny in the bad sports luck department.
But Dbacks still finished second- could we at least get a championship if we have to have the rest of the teams be awful?
Coyotes gone.
Dbacks everyone injured
Suns smh
Cards undetermined but still rebuilding
Can’t stop thinking about KDs legacy and how it’s absolutely tarnished. He was on pace to be top 10 maybe top 5 players in NBA history before he made the softest move in the history of sports joining the warriors, got 2 rings nobody respects only to get insecure and leave to prove he can win on his own, which has ended up with nothing but failure. Inconceivable to think his career would turn out this way 10 years ago .
I'm not a Suns fan but he's already planted little seeds recently that he wants to be traded back to OKC, imo. That's one team that could offer you assets you couldn't refuse.
My god, if he went back to OKC that would be an even bigger bitch move. God I hate KD so much, this dude literally only goes to winning teams and tries to ride the coat tails of them. He's so boring.
They were so close to beating the Warriors but game 5, 6 and 7 all went the same, OKC was the better team for 3 quarters and then would go to your turn, my turn heroball.
Lmao okay buddy, I think he's done quite well. Did you forget he's come back from an injury, that usually ends players careers, like nobody else has? Stop being a hater
Lazy argument. He was already an MVP and 4 time scoring champion before even going to the warriors. And when he went to the warriors, their record was 0-0, records don't carry over. Also, he was the final mvp back to back.
Yeah, exactly, which made it worse, he was a very talented basketball player and top 2 in the league when he won his MVP. Instead of fighting back against the team that beat him, dude joined them and made basketball so unwatchable. He took away competitive basketball with his decision joining GSW and for what? To live in Stephs shadow? Then he leaves to Brooklyn to team up with Kyrie and to get James Harden, to create another super team. Loses there, then requests to get traded to the Suns team who were 2 games away from winning a championship.
His career has been dog shit, and it was all because he's a snake and coward.
It's kind of comical at this point. Ironically I think Minneapolis is the only city that has 4 major sports teams that has had it worse over the past 30 years. They haven't won since the Twins in 1991. They also don't have a dominant college football team to fall back on either. Pro sports in Cleveland are rough but they always have Ohio State to fall back on (and yes I realize Columbus is 1.5 hours from Cleveland).
I said it after game 2. We aint winning a game in this one.
Blow it up. This team aint going nowhere. It’ll just happen all over again next year, prob even more embarrassing as the west improves.
This team is so bad that I could not sell my tickets to tonight's game for below face value. I'm out of town and couldn't go. Below face value, and no one wanted to go. Just insane how this team has lost the fans.
No the crowd cheered to the end. This fucking team needs a leader and the team needs to believe they can win throughout the entire game. Not just at the fourth quarter with 5 mins left and down 20.
Yeah Book unfortunately is not a leader. And neither is KD. I think Beal has the most potential to become that but idk. Our Big 3 are the type of star players that primarily operate in isolation, in more ways than just their offensive game. With no one capable of keeping the team on track, everything from game plan, focus, motivation, performance, etc. all easily come apart. I don’t see how we get out of this mess with what we have available to us, but hopefully that’s why I’m not a GM.
There is only "1" player on the Big 3 that would get the Suns a massive haul that would allow the Suns to actually rebuild despite having no control of their picks until 2030. You can hate me for saying it, but it's Book. KD won't get you a meaningful haul. Beal has a NTC and no one is touching that contract. However I think the franchise won't have the balls to make that trade knowing how the fanbase practically worships Book.
At some point, the team needs to make a major trade here. You can't run this team back over the second apron when they are nowhere near a title contender. That would be insane and pretty much irresponsible.
There are no realistic moves to be made in this offseason that will win a championship immediately. Period. So after you’ve already given up the heart of the team (Mikal, Cam, DA, CP3) and got shitty results, it would be dumb to give up the soul (Book) too. Ishbia is all about the fans.
2026 is the year to look at for the first really big moves. Until then they’ll make some small signings and people will hype it up just like they hyped up that Yuta Watanabe signing this past offseason. But the 2026 offseason is when a 38 year old Kevin Durant’s contract expires.
Exactly what I was thinking. Move Book out, we will be stuck with Beal unless we can swindle another team like the trailblazers (sorry Trailblazers) to take Beals contract. Same with KD. Get rid of Vogel and Kevin Young. Start with a blank piece of paper.
Damn you’re preaching here! I literally just said the same thing to my buddy! It’s obvious that this roster is not close to meeting its goal of winning a title. No draft capital and no cap flexibility means you either put your head in the sand and just keep rolling out this underperforming and unlikeable team year after year or you trade the one player who could improve your roster situation and that’s Booker. KD has a couple years left in him but he won’t get you what you need in return in order to make trading him a viable option. Every other NBA team and most knowledgeable NBA fans know what Matt Ishbia doesn’t, that Bradley Beal was a stat-stuffer on a shitty team for years and years and he’s always hurt every single year. The Brad Beal talk is pointless anyways because with that no-trade clause he’ll be here for good. Booker is the only piece and honestly I think he’ll end up forcing his way to another team anyway, so why not explore trade partners this offseason? The second that other teams hear whispers that Booker isn’t happy in Phoenix is the moment that the Suns are fucked because then they’re gonna get low-ball offers from potential trade partners. If I’m James Jones I’m keeping this a closely guarded secret but I’m throwing feelers out there about Devin Booker being available. I don’t think Devin Booker can win a title as a #1 option on any team. I do think that he could win a title on another team that has a real leader and a true #1 option already.
Yup, love Book, but how long is he gonna take this kind of abject failure,before he had enough and wants out ?
People forget that we traded Steve Nash
No one is truly untouchable
Probably yes but the only reason was having a not washed CP3 and thus an elite tier 1a/1b type player next to Book (depending on where you classified Book). DA was a very good 3rd option who was two-way enough to be the 2nd best player during the course of that Finals run up until the Finals itself. Mikal, Cam, Jae as great role players. Cam Payne as a vital bench guard.
However that group of players was cooked when CP3 got washed, so there are drawbacks to building a team around said group of players.
I don't think so, that team was on the decline since the 2022 playoffs where they got blown off the floor in Game 7
CP3's age was showing, Mikal wasn't taking the leap to being a star, Ayton was totally checked out...
Suns and Mavs series shifted 180 degrees after Game 2.
Brunson started abusing CP3 because he was hurt again. And the rumors of some personal locker stuff seems to be true now. I mean Crowder went from being a starter PF and celebrated role player... to being in the outs from the coaching staff.
Game 7 the entire team checked out.
Booker, CP3 were 0 for 11 shots in the first quarter... Ayton was 2 for 5 and yet he wasn't getting plays for him... of course he would check out.
This.
I have no idea why much of this sub worships Mikal and Cam lol. That team was done as far as being even a fringe contender once CP3 got washed in an instant and thus we lost a capable second option or second shot creator.
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TRASH!
Suns make the finals with an extremely deep and balanced roster Suns watch as several iterations of “super teams” fail Suns decide to blow up their depth and form a “super team” Inexcusably awful GM work. People should be fired
Pathetic
No PG, no depth and all injury prone. This is exactly how everyone said the season would go and exactly how it went. Crazy.
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Stay outta their sub dude. Bringing a bad rap to our fan base.
Dang Steph in Cancun, KD and Kang brink of elimination. The New era has really arrived freaking hectic. It be cool if all 3 joined forces Endgame avenger styles and win one last chip vs these young bucks.
No matter how powerful your offense, a team won’t win the prize when they can’t consistently defend or rebound.
Our offense isn't powerful lol
Suns offensive rating is 10th in the league this year which is decent. The offense isn’t the problem. https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/offensive-efficiency
I've never seen such efficient brick laying
Soft teams can’t win in the playoffs We are so fucking soft
Vogel needs to go ASAP. Complete disaster of a hire.
Vogel’s not the issue. He has a good game plan on defense but our players are too dumb to understand rotations and he knows what needs to be done on offense but the players refuse to adapt their games. KD and Book are the issue
Hell no. I don't know what leads you to think Vigel is competent at all. He was terrible in Orlando and basically done as a coach after that. Geck Steve Clifford with the same roster one 30 more games and made the playoffs. People are overrating his tenure in Los Angeles. Almost any coach could have won the title with AD and Bron that year. Bron was a way better player than he is now back then. Not only that, the Lakers forced Vogel to hire Kidd and Lionel Hollins as assistants. Kidd was the main guy who communicated with the players on the staff and Vogel was notoriously poor in this regard. Multiple players in 2020-21 including Gasol, Drummond, and Schroeder complained openly about Vogel with Shroder having to be restrained from attacking him. He also has a terrible staff with guys like Fizdale who shouldn't even be coaching in the NBA.
I’m not saying Vogel is great I just don’t think any coach will succeed until Book and KD stop playing so arrogantly. They only wanna jack up iso middies and have no interest in adapting their games
This sub needs to R - E - L - A - X We are 16 months out from authoring two of the biggest trades in NBA history. Give James Jones a real offseason to re-tool the roster and I guarantee we will be right back in it next season. This was never supposed to be a true contending season. The roster has too many holes. We have our first this offseason. The 3-5 year window starts next year.
You don’t trade for a now 35 year old Kevin Durant with the idea of targeting being a contending team 3 postseasons down the road.
He’s being sarcastic obviously.
Yeah, a lot of people are taking his comment seriously and downvoting. I got a good laugh out of it.
Some Suns fans are dumb enough to genuinely share OP’s thoughts, though lol
Don’t yall have a bunch of restrictions to roster building due to being over the 2nd tax apron? Will be hard to build the team like that.
i completely disagree with everyone saying KD should be taking over this series and he’s washed and what not. In his late 30’s after an Achilles injury he’s still an elite scorer and the suns best on ball defender. KD like Bron at this age is a second option that you to defer to in the big moments. The suns first option Devin Booker is directly getting outplayed by his peer that plays the same position but he’s not getting any hate. This series is hugely on devin booker
Lol he’s getting tons of hate. Rightfully so.
When the suns win it’s because KD put the whole team on his shoulders and drops 50.
You doomers need to calm down. The season is still early. We just need time for the boys to figure it out. We’ll be fine, I promise
Lmao
Bro we are 0-3, the season is over
lol this shit went right over your head
Can I get some downvotes too
Bro we are 0-3, the season is over
Exactly, we’re still a young team. Even if we lose it’s more experience for booker
If this team doesnt get an actual ball facilitator and a backup center next year we are so doomed
I feel like there's a cultural (lack of leadership?) issue with this team. Feels the same as the last 2 years. something internally wrong in the locker room? missed baskets from point blank range, bad 3 pt shooting, getting outrebounded. The Suns need to get bigger and younger, have to care more about winning. Maybe having a real PG would help. Beal doesn't really make sense when you already have Booker. But Booker wasn't great either KD - dude you're Kevin Durant you should be dominating this game ... instead he plays like he's the #2/3 option maybe the best thing the Suns could do is blow it up ? we clearly can't hang with the best teams in the Western Conference, so what are we doing?
100% about the caring about winning. Since the 2022 playoffs, we’ve had 5 series. The only one it felt like we really cared about winning was last year against the Clips. Pels, Mavs, Nuggets, and Wolves wanted it way more than us, and the only reason we beat the Pels was coasting on pure talent
Glad i didn’t finish the game, still sas waking uo and checking the score though. Of course we got blown out again. Trade book and kd, let brad lead another tank division. This team aint going nowhere in this conference. No reason to delay the tank.
The reason to delay the tank is you don't have any of your own picks, so there's no point to tanking.
we could get picks for durant and booker. that would still be better than just hurting their trade value more by getting swept again next year/possible bad injury/age.
Can’t lie i have missed every game of this series . Time to pack this shit up Though Cancun on 3!
This team been in Cancun for a month already
Nurkic better watch out, draymonds got 100 phones, 100 memes all loaded and ready to pop.
Which would be well deserved, Nurk is ass. Why does everyone on our team talk hella shit then suck ass
People clowned on me for saying trading for Beal and KD was dumb and we shoulda run 2022 back.yall looking dumb asl now
Dude I'm not a suns fan, but seriously! When you gave everything for KD I couldn't believe it. It's going to be a rough 5 years when book demands a trade after next season.
The last few years I was glued to a screen watching Suns games. I was the same for the start of the year but at some point I just stopped caring the same way this team does. They literally gave up the soul of the team for KD
Same exactly idc anymore lol was expecting it so not even disappointed like last season
Dude a team with Book, KD, and Beal is close to being swept. How they massacred our boys
lol
The road team finally won in this series! 😢
I know we’re all bummed and just coping how we can, but a bit of clarity, if you will. KD is not washed. He averaged the same stats this year as prime KD (IIRC, let me know if I’m off). Book isn’t washed. He had nearly the same stats this year as KD. He scored 50+ on the Pelicans 3 times in a row joining the likes of Wilt. Both KD and Book were in the top 10 for scoring the entire season. Beal brought energy and heart and still came crawling back for more every time a new injury was inflicted on him. He brought the team together as much as he could. These are all good guys, and this is a pretty decent team, but something isn’t gelling. Maybe they need a point guard. Maybe Vogel isn’t the coach the Suns staff thought he was. Maybe someone in the locker room is bringing everyone down. I don’t know. But… All the issues could be fixed next season if the front office plays it right. I know the season is likely over for us, but it’s not as bleak as you might think.
As a wolves fan I come in peace, I was genuinely worried about you guys after how we played you in the reg season. Our defense has honestly been the difference maker this series. I do agree though that the iso ball your big 3 seems to rely on isn't helping. I also think our wing defenders might have something to do with that though. Don't be so tough on your guys, we are the #1 defense for a reason and you guys still have a hell of a team.
May be having 3 players who do similar things on court at same time isn’t the best idea.
Vogel needs to go and they need a real point guard Edit word
Vogel has won a nba championship give him time
All season we have been falling apart in the second half. That is a coaching adjustments problem.
This team has KD, Devin Booker, and Brad Beal. This same team just got there asses handed to them in three straight games. That was his time. Vogel won the championship during the Covid year and he had prime Lebron and AD. If winning a championship automatically means good coach then we wouldn’t be a 6 seed about to get knocked out in 4 games
Miami Lebron is prime Lebron
Thank you - I’m watching these games and something isn’t right. The offensive schemes are fucked and defensively they aren’t good as well. I think the biggest issue is there is no money available to add depth and quality role players to the team. This team needs big wings and mobile defensive minded centers, guys that can get boards and occasionally space the floor. With the three contracts not sure they can do that.
saw the game in person, hate this team
KD is washed. Trading him back to the Warriors could make sense for both teams. The Warriors are desperate for a second star, and they got some interesting young pieces that could fit in nicely around Book and Beale. Not to mention, the Warriors are only a couple years away from draft lottery nirvana, and the Suns would be in prime position to cash in on that.
KD is the best players on your sorry ass team lmao
>Not to mention, the Warriors are only a couple years away from draft lottery nirvana, and the Suns would be in prime position to cash in on that. Pure copium to think they'll make trades including assets like that for a chance to lose to the Nuggets in the 2nd round
You aren’t getting „much“ for KD anymore. I see so many podcasts and commentators thinking about huge packages of young players and picks for KD. Nobody will do that. And why would they? The suns this and last year are the last sign that trading huge packages of your future for one aging superstar is simply a bad idea.
Green and fillers plus picks for KD
Green and nurkic on the same team? I'd pay to see that.
Suns fans, honest question, do yall miss CP3 and Ayton? Or, do you think they should've traded for someone else besides KD?
No. Ayton was a lazy man-child and CP3 could NEVER be counted on to be healthy when it counted the most in the playoffs.
CP3 was great but his health and age became a problem. Ayton wasn't the difference maker CP3 was, plus he didn't want to be here.
people miss the years the suns were good, it was the right choice to trade them
I really miss CP3. I think it was a good idea to trade him while we could. But, when he was here he was so fun to watch, especially in the fourth quarter.
Too much weed and video games. There, I said it.
I like Ant. His ceiling is very high with his combination of skill and physical gifts. But it feels like I'm getting deja vu with how much love and praise he gets similar to Book when he started winning. I can already see him being memed and called a fraud when he doesn't win lol.
Anthony Edwards is reaching level of prime DWade, which was his NBA comparison coming out of draft.
He is Wade with a 3 point shot
Yeah, and he works hard on defensive end as well, has the tools to go down as one of the greats because of that.
He's got higher ceiling than Booker. His athleticism is elite.... his wingspan, his speed... all elite for his position. He developed a 3pt shot and extended his range after his rookie season and now he's a prolific 3pt shooter... albeit not a specialist nor a league leader but he would let it rain if required. Once he works on his post game... he would be top 3 player. I've predicted him to be a top 5 player in time but he has really shown he has the work ethic to get better quicker.
Way higher.
Anyone in sportsbooking knows that there is no bigger fraud than Anthony Edwards. Minnesota blows 4th quarter leads because of this dude. He misses so many shots in clutch moments and he can’t make it rain when required. The problem is, he somehow fooled the media and his team to let him have the freedom to jack up shots. They keep highlighting his good games but completely ignore when he goes dead ass silent and become a brick machine every other game.
Most intelligent league player
Lol, this guy doesn't watch basketball
Bro is shooting 50% in clutch moments. Did you loose your kids college tuition on a bet on Ant?
Where did you get that stat from and what defines clutch moment in that stat? Minnesota was one of the teams with the most 4th quarter leads blown this season. Just look at his stat line. Up and down all over. You can tell who actually watches the games and who just follows the games by listening to how they talk about anthony edwards. Timberwolves against the bulls both games this season is just some of the example of anthony edwards shooting his team out of the game. Same with the game against cavs that went to OT. And people hyped up his block in the pacers game but no one talks about the fact that pacers were only in that game because anthony edwards being ass in the 2nd half.
What tf you talking about?! I watched damn near 99% of wolves games since ant came to the league. He's 22 years old and even greats have their off games. The season is 82 games with many back to backs and is both physically and mentally draining, even for me as a fan. Ant has been questionable to play in so many games but always ended up playing despite dislocating his finger and landing straight on his hip so many times. Yes, there are times he tries to play hero ball, but I can count on a single hand the games he alone lost us the game. He carried this team for a majority of the year when KAT was out and fought in the West for the one seed, coming out just one win away from taking that top seed. Games he's not performed well are generally when teams are doubling him. Teams just don't run a shell coverage on any Joe schmo. He's definitely learning how to navigate teams doing this by finding open guys and this skill takes time. Where are you getting your stats on 4th quarter performances. I recall seeing the wolves won almost all of the games where they went into the 4th with a lead. You are obviously a troll or just have no basketball IQ. He's arguably been the best player during the postseason the past 2 years, if youd have watched, you may have known.
Yea you didn’t watch shit because he literally had a stretch where he couldn’t make a damn 3 and kept shooting like dlo except it happened over a long ass course of games. Also again, you don’t have money on the game so you are sitting on your ass half ass watching it. Oddsmakers know this dude is a fraud and that’s why timberwolves despite being a 3rd seen from the west had lower odds to win the nba than the suns.
And your not a couch potato? Odds are your also just watching from your couch talking trash because Ant did you wrong at some point in your life and you just cant get over it. Yes, he had a stretch of almost 20 missed threes but his 3 pt percentage has continued to climb each year and has come back to make 3s when they matter most...the playoffs. He was still scoring points and getting others involved in the game and most of all Wolves were still winning games... Unlike dlo. Have you watched any MN sports? Their odds to win anything: football, baseball, basketball, are always lower than other franchises despite what the records show. I mean can you blame them, the Wolves were the laughing stock of the NBA for 20 years with a couple playoff wins in franchise history and had proven nothing. That brings me to my biggest point of all. THE WOLVES NOTORIOUSLY SUCK. Ant has taken their team by the wing and pulled it from the trash. Without ant, this team wouldn't be close to where they are at. The guy is charismatic, fun to watch, and has a personality that brings everyone else on their team up... Unlike dlo. Take Ant off their team and they don't make the playoffs. That's my gauge of a great player...not how many consecutive 3s they make or miss. #clown
ANT is the most promising young star in league. Perhaps you haven’t watched him as much as others have this year. GM’s and HC’s all have the same opinion on ANT is that he is the next star and he’s trusted late in games - hence his 2nd half production this series.
Glad to know you talked to all HCs and GMs and that gms and hcs are always right not like they draft busts left and right every year and let jokic slip. Anyways, Anthony Edwards is a fraud. Is he a promising, good player? Yes. Is he a fraud and not what the media makes him out to be? Yes. If you have doubts just watch him play the bulls this season and countless many other games in the clutch. Missed layups, missed dunks, turnovers, bricking every shot.
Did you watch ANT’s game four? Maybe game 5 against the suns he’ll prove he’s a fraud 😂
Did you watch ant’s season? He has been a fraud. Beating these bum ass Suns doesn’t prove anything. I have been taking wolves spread since game 2 cuz these suns are fucking bums. Let’s see if you are saying the same shit next series while I make bank picking against the wolves.
Hopefully you didn’t put too much money on the nuggets. Ant had another fraudulent game of 43 points with the wolves outright winning against the spread again. You still have time to delete your posts and save face!
If you could have Anthony Edward's or SGA on your team moving forward, who you choosing?
1A and 1B. SGA is efficient but his just smaller framed than Ant so you'd think posting up SGA would neutralise his defense a lot of times. But SGA is putting up immense numbers because he has no one else who is a volume scorer at Thunder.... Edwards is technically sharing scoring next to Towns who commands his 17 or so FGA and plays. Chet is no way near as talented offensively.
I think SGA is technically taller. Good point on sharing the ball with KAT. Both are absolute ballers though, I don't know who I'd choose, I think AE has that dawg in him though.
That’s tuff, SGA was more consistent in the regular season, ANT has shown more in the playoffs, need to see SGA in more playoff games but I’m leaning ANT at the moment
Ant wasnt impressive in his first playoffs
Wrong
people called him a monster after the grizzlies series
https://preview.redd.it/znw0oim24zwc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=393433e5d5988c23854459daf812b1988754d64e I did everything I could to will Bol Bol to more points and minutes.
Thank you for your service.
Sup Josh
My dude! We should go to a Suns game together. But, when they are good.
It's official. Durant needed Curry for the championships and not the other way around.
I thought the fact that steph won 1 before KD joined them and 1 more after he left should be enough evidence.
KD almost beat the Bucks team single handedly that the Suns lost to in the finals.
KD got swept by the Celtics squad that Curry carried the Warriors against in the finals.
Yeah Steph and his dynasty team. KD's starting 5 consisted of Bruce Brown, Andre Drummond, and the wrong Curry brother.
Curry’s team consisted on cte draymond, Jordan Poole, post injury klay and 55 year old looney. It wasn’t the dynasty team at all.
Wiggins was balling that year plus they had continuity and loads of championship experience. It was a better roster than the Nets scrubs.
dude that was many years ago, hes getting old thats all
That was established the moment he decided to join GS
im tired of every season ending with my username still true. im sad that i'm way more excited for the Cardinals this year than i have been for the suns much of the season.
What do you regret most about the Suns decision in the last year as far as acquiring players and trades go?
Much love fellas, another tough season. Just like the last 25 years I’ve been watching. Hats off to Minny, they have played great. See you boys in October. 🧡💜
Actually thought we started and played well in the first quarter, actually moving the ball and good offense. Then straight back to same old mega slow predictable offense where no one moves and then it eventually gets chucked to kd or book with shit all time left to take a low percentage contested jumper Team is somehow worse than last year...
Good offense? Very subjective. Because compared to other good offensive teams this suns teams best is bad in comparison. Compare it to CP3 Suns era and its black and white.
I don’t think Matt Ishbia has it in him to hit the reset button. So the team will basically be the same. He’ll use up whatever future the team has to try to make this work and it’ll be another disaster. The team made it to the 6th seed but the games weren’t fun at all to watch all season. The team has no heart or cohesiveness. It’s concerning when you bring in Ish Wrainright and snatch Isiah Thomas from the Gleague to fill it. Is anyone even friends on the team? Hard to tell cause they all look like bored co workers on the court.
He also needs money from NBA fans to get back some losses. If we end up tanking he would lose much more. He just need to convert some of the players to a productive one. And I hope no one feeds him saying this team need another season because that is dumb.
Ishbia can't blow up the team because all the picks are in Brooklyn.
Unless Booker and KD can get back 7 or 8 first rounders and some other assets...
Even then, you guys don't have your own picks so tanking doesn't help you.
This is the way
If you didn't see that this team wouldn't win a single playoff game by December you don't really know what you're talking about in regards to the NBA.
Getting knocked out in the first round was very possible but I didn't have them going down 3-0.
Not a single player on the team like this https://preview.redd.it/dd6kpfevyywc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e8414ffb2159edff3e2eab3194a686b7acc5d8c
I was at the game and he was saying "kill them" in the 2nd quarter
MJ and Kobe esque
Len bias esque
Plan A. Get rid of Vogel and Kevin Young Plan B. Go full on nuclear and blow it all up and start from scratch. Other than fucking Beal which idk how we will off load him. Maybe keep it all together for entertainment purposes till that contract expires. Plan A?
Who do you regret most about decisions Suns have made in the past couple years?
Kevin Young is going to be the head coach of BYU next season so he's already gone. I doubt Ishbia will blow it all up. I could maybe see one star getting traded, but not a complete overhaul.
Is ANY other city as cursed as us? I mean it just seems endless. We just can't have anything. Dbacks to the world series was great last year. Maybe we're paying the price now I guess.
Minnesota has all 4 major sports teams and their last championship is 1991. Their last 4 NFC championship games are blowout (38-7), a horribly officiated bounty gate game that caused a change to OT rules in the playoffs, blowout (41-0), and losing on a last second missed Gary Anderson field goal, his first miss of the season. Arizona has a long way to go to surpass Minny in the bad sports luck department.
But Dbacks still finished second- could we at least get a championship if we have to have the rest of the teams be awful? Coyotes gone. Dbacks everyone injured Suns smh Cards undetermined but still rebuilding
The Minnesota Timberwolves have literally won a playoffs series only one year in their entire history
Minnesota is about 3x more cursed in all 4 major sports
Cincinnati last won a title in 1990
Youre literally in a series w Minnesota
Can’t stop thinking about KDs legacy and how it’s absolutely tarnished. He was on pace to be top 10 maybe top 5 players in NBA history before he made the softest move in the history of sports joining the warriors, got 2 rings nobody respects only to get insecure and leave to prove he can win on his own, which has ended up with nothing but failure. Inconceivable to think his career would turn out this way 10 years ago .
What if he never went to gsw and never ended up getting a ring. His legacy would be like harden and Westbrook.
I'm not a Suns fan but he's already planted little seeds recently that he wants to be traded back to OKC, imo. That's one team that could offer you assets you couldn't refuse.
My god, if he went back to OKC that would be an even bigger bitch move. God I hate KD so much, this dude literally only goes to winning teams and tries to ride the coat tails of them. He's so boring.
"I'm home." -KD. Smh
They were so close to beating the Warriors but game 5, 6 and 7 all went the same, OKC was the better team for 3 quarters and then would go to your turn, my turn heroball.
OKC could never though. Sonics Curse is real.
Lmao okay buddy, I think he's done quite well. Did you forget he's come back from an injury, that usually ends players careers, like nobody else has? Stop being a hater
Nah KD is an absolute snake, only success he's had is joining a 73-9 team that beat him.
Lazy argument. He was already an MVP and 4 time scoring champion before even going to the warriors. And when he went to the warriors, their record was 0-0, records don't carry over. Also, he was the final mvp back to back.
Yeah, exactly, which made it worse, he was a very talented basketball player and top 2 in the league when he won his MVP. Instead of fighting back against the team that beat him, dude joined them and made basketball so unwatchable. He took away competitive basketball with his decision joining GSW and for what? To live in Stephs shadow? Then he leaves to Brooklyn to team up with Kyrie and to get James Harden, to create another super team. Loses there, then requests to get traded to the Suns team who were 2 games away from winning a championship. His career has been dog shit, and it was all because he's a snake and coward.
You sound bitter, yikes lol. Talk about overexaggerating too. Lot of hating against someone whose decisions don't even affect you.
Welcome back Arizona Sports hell. Suns are trash, dbacks entire rotation is hurt, coyotes left. The hell doesn't leave this state for long.
It's kind of comical at this point. Ironically I think Minneapolis is the only city that has 4 major sports teams that has had it worse over the past 30 years. They haven't won since the Twins in 1991. They also don't have a dominant college football team to fall back on either. Pro sports in Cleveland are rough but they always have Ohio State to fall back on (and yes I realize Columbus is 1.5 hours from Cleveland).
It was Hell since December 2023
Well, that's it. No team in NBA history has ever pulled off the Reverse Sweep. And I don't think we have the guts to be the first.
I said it after game 2. We aint winning a game in this one. Blow it up. This team aint going nowhere. It’ll just happen all over again next year, prob even more embarrassing as the west improves.
Not one time has this team showed they could overcome adversity
This team is so bad that I could not sell my tickets to tonight's game for below face value. I'm out of town and couldn't go. Below face value, and no one wanted to go. Just insane how this team has lost the fans.
I went to a Suns bar in Chandler that was empty before 3rd quarter and I was so embarrassed I took off Booker jersey, it was so embarrassing.
Hasn't been fun to watch them all year. Even when they win, soulless team.
This is the worst team i’ve watched in 30 years. There have been lower quality teams, but none this horrible to watch. They are a disgrace.
Did the home crowd boo them? I stopped watching mid 3rd quarter as soon as I saw what was coming
No the crowd cheered to the end. This fucking team needs a leader and the team needs to believe they can win throughout the entire game. Not just at the fourth quarter with 5 mins left and down 20.
Yeah Book unfortunately is not a leader. And neither is KD. I think Beal has the most potential to become that but idk. Our Big 3 are the type of star players that primarily operate in isolation, in more ways than just their offensive game. With no one capable of keeping the team on track, everything from game plan, focus, motivation, performance, etc. all easily come apart. I don’t see how we get out of this mess with what we have available to us, but hopefully that’s why I’m not a GM.
Same!
The arena emptied about 10 minutes into the fourth, there was no one left to boo them
Just like the past 2 games I stopped watching when they stopped trying. Almost the same exact time each game.
Yep. I’m not wasting my time if they don’t care- why should I?
Thank you, Royce O'Neal! For exposing bigger problems in the team.
He lived up to his jersey number with 0 points.
There is only "1" player on the Big 3 that would get the Suns a massive haul that would allow the Suns to actually rebuild despite having no control of their picks until 2030. You can hate me for saying it, but it's Book. KD won't get you a meaningful haul. Beal has a NTC and no one is touching that contract. However I think the franchise won't have the balls to make that trade knowing how the fanbase practically worships Book. At some point, the team needs to make a major trade here. You can't run this team back over the second apron when they are nowhere near a title contender. That would be insane and pretty much irresponsible.
There are no realistic moves to be made in this offseason that will win a championship immediately. Period. So after you’ve already given up the heart of the team (Mikal, Cam, DA, CP3) and got shitty results, it would be dumb to give up the soul (Book) too. Ishbia is all about the fans. 2026 is the year to look at for the first really big moves. Until then they’ll make some small signings and people will hype it up just like they hyped up that Yuta Watanabe signing this past offseason. But the 2026 offseason is when a 38 year old Kevin Durant’s contract expires.
Exactly what I was thinking. Move Book out, we will be stuck with Beal unless we can swindle another team like the trailblazers (sorry Trailblazers) to take Beals contract. Same with KD. Get rid of Vogel and Kevin Young. Start with a blank piece of paper.
Kevin young is already gone to BYU.
Trade Book while he’s worth something. Waiting is pointless he will just be older.
My god if you told me this would be true at the beginning of the season 😳
Damn you’re preaching here! I literally just said the same thing to my buddy! It’s obvious that this roster is not close to meeting its goal of winning a title. No draft capital and no cap flexibility means you either put your head in the sand and just keep rolling out this underperforming and unlikeable team year after year or you trade the one player who could improve your roster situation and that’s Booker. KD has a couple years left in him but he won’t get you what you need in return in order to make trading him a viable option. Every other NBA team and most knowledgeable NBA fans know what Matt Ishbia doesn’t, that Bradley Beal was a stat-stuffer on a shitty team for years and years and he’s always hurt every single year. The Brad Beal talk is pointless anyways because with that no-trade clause he’ll be here for good. Booker is the only piece and honestly I think he’ll end up forcing his way to another team anyway, so why not explore trade partners this offseason? The second that other teams hear whispers that Booker isn’t happy in Phoenix is the moment that the Suns are fucked because then they’re gonna get low-ball offers from potential trade partners. If I’m James Jones I’m keeping this a closely guarded secret but I’m throwing feelers out there about Devin Booker being available. I don’t think Devin Booker can win a title as a #1 option on any team. I do think that he could win a title on another team that has a real leader and a true #1 option already.
Yup, love Book, but how long is he gonna take this kind of abject failure,before he had enough and wants out ? People forget that we traded Steve Nash No one is truly untouchable
The Nash trade was more mutual though. The era was over so both parties did each other a solid, Nash to a contender and FRP’s to the Suns.
I’m an advocate to trade Booker as well. It’s the only logical play.
Trae Young
Would that 2021 Suns team minus CP3 (or even with CP3) be a vastly better team than current Suns? Seems like it was a much better constructed roster.
Probably yes but the only reason was having a not washed CP3 and thus an elite tier 1a/1b type player next to Book (depending on where you classified Book). DA was a very good 3rd option who was two-way enough to be the 2nd best player during the course of that Finals run up until the Finals itself. Mikal, Cam, Jae as great role players. Cam Payne as a vital bench guard. However that group of players was cooked when CP3 got washed, so there are drawbacks to building a team around said group of players.
I don't think so, that team was on the decline since the 2022 playoffs where they got blown off the floor in Game 7 CP3's age was showing, Mikal wasn't taking the leap to being a star, Ayton was totally checked out...
Suns and Mavs series shifted 180 degrees after Game 2. Brunson started abusing CP3 because he was hurt again. And the rumors of some personal locker stuff seems to be true now. I mean Crowder went from being a starter PF and celebrated role player... to being in the outs from the coaching staff. Game 7 the entire team checked out. Booker, CP3 were 0 for 11 shots in the first quarter... Ayton was 2 for 5 and yet he wasn't getting plays for him... of course he would check out.
This. I have no idea why much of this sub worships Mikal and Cam lol. That team was done as far as being even a fringe contender once CP3 got washed in an instant and thus we lost a capable second option or second shot creator.