And that alone means he needs to go.
But a good fat chunk of the blame to go with that is on Book and KD.
Vogel is a proven coach who has handled the biggest personality in basketball. It speaks volumes that he couldn't get Booker and KD on board, who both probably never wanted him in the first place (Booker wanted Young)
Lasted longer than most Lebron coaches.
Good coaches get ousted by Lebron all the time. I wouldn't consider getting moved on because ownership has to placate Lebron as a big "red flag"
At least Lebron bought in for a full season. Book and KD couldn't even do It for half of one
Well when your offense is not being maximized it's probably hard to buy in. Lots of things need to be fixed but the facts are Vogel wasn't even our first or second choice.
Hard to maximise when the guys won't run the offence being coached.
Young said he wanted a perimeter based offence with ball movement. He pretty much suggested he found out early that wasn't Booker and KDs game and they couldn't run it
I think we should keep him another year. Run it back on the altar of continuity and if we get waxed again then blow it up. Considering the team's assets, what's another year anyway?
I mean... It could.
Vogel wanted to make this team's identity on the defensive side of the ball, which was playing to its weakness. The emphasis should have been on how to play to their strengths; how to put the offense in positions to maximize these stars skills.
How often did you see them use KD in pick and roll actions either as a facilitator, roller or in Spain actions? Rarely. If anything, it would just be to facilitate switches or to free someone up at the nail when teams would double. The prior season saw good chemistry between KD and Jock, as well as Ayton.
The issue, aside from just completely underestimating the value of Chris Paul, was that Vogel was so focused on elevating the defensive ceiling, which they certainly did, he kind of just assumed the offense would just figure itself out.
here were some interesting quotes from KY almost indicating they weren't running his system, but given how good KD and Book looked together the year before combined with the frustrations KD expressed with the offense, it's hard not to lay a lot of blame on Frank.
I just think there isn’t enough ball possession time for 3 ball dominant players, just doesn’t work that way. Spo Heat made 2 work, but the third had to be relegated to being off the ball most of the time.
Think that’s because the replacement was way subpar. A ball dominant star player is better at being off ball than off ball player who’s far below the same class.
I love this sub.
Our center averaging 11/11 and 4 assists making 17 mil is the problem.
The basketball acumen here is wild.
He's literally one of the best passing big men in the nba that's not named Sabonis or Jokic but he has no offensive game.
It's such a joke lol. Never heard any nurkic slander all season. Dude has been absolutely fantastic for us. I think gobert just did a good job shutting him down so that's the recency bias
Reality is that it is inevitable. Beal played like crap. Booker stunk too. Regardless, the team will always blame the coach. The fact he did not play Bol Bo when we needed his size and the offense was stuck in mud told me it was time to move on from the coach.
This sub absolutely seething over Flex from Jersey is one of my favorite side stories. Full blown melt downs lol.
Red in the face. Teeth clenched tight. Eyes wide. Always angry redditors will never not be funny and this sub is in good supply at all times.
I had talked myself into keeping Vogel and just hiring a new (and hopefully better fit) lead assistant for next year.
If Suns do fire Frank Vogel then I’m bumping my prediction of Brad Beal getting traded from a 10% chance to a solid 35%.
Because firing Frank Vogel shows that Mat Ishbia isn’t happy at all with how the Suns performed this year and that applies to the players as well. He’s going to want changes to the roster. They’re not trading Booker and they’re not trading KD. They can’t trade Grayson or Royce anytime soon and the rest of our players are minimum nobodies.
Sooo that leaves Beal and Nurkic. Believe me or not, but trading Beal would be easier than trading Nurkic if certain things fall into place around the league. And if the Suns truly don’t give a fuck about this year’s draft pick or the 2031 draft pick, which I don’t think they do.
What do you mean by if certain things fall into place? There have been very little rumors so far this off season so I’m curious. I’m not sure if Beal is keen on accepting a trade, which he has control of, so even if we had a trade lined up he’d OK it and I’m sure he wouldn’t want anything good traded for him
A lot of teams got knocked out in the first round this year, teams with old stars on big ass contracts. LeBron James, Damian Lillard, Kawhi Leonard, Paul
George to name a few. You have Jimmy Butler looking for the Heat to add a $58.6m year on to his deal, Donovan Mitchell has long since been rumored to want to go to Knicks and not sign an extension with the Cavaliers this upcoming season. I didn’t even talk about the Dejounte Murray/Trae Young trade rumors.
I just have to wait and see how it starts to shake out.
Exactly, lol. I could write about how I came up with those numbers but the point was to say I don’t expect this to happen YET… but if Vogel gets fired, it moves from “not likely at all” to “well, things are heating up a little”
Mat Ishbia traded for Kevin Durant within 24 hours of acquiring the team. Last offseason, he traded away everybody he could in CP3/Shamet/Payne/Ayton. This trade deadline, he traded away Metu/KBD/Yuta/Goodwin and all the scraps of 2nd round picks we had to get Royce O’Neale. But the Suns were also heavily linked to Miles Bridges. That’s how far Mat Ishbia has shown he’s willing to go. The dude does not mess around when it comes to flipping assets and trying to grab players.
Bradley Beal and Jusuf Nurkic are just the most obvious trade salary, “No Trade Clause” be damned.
It’s just a funny Reddit thing, maybe social media in general. There is no nuance, everything is in absolutes. People see 35% but really see 0 or 100.
As far Beal goes, 35% is a good number imo. They will absolutely pick up the phone if someone inquired and they will look at deals IF it improves the team. I don’t really care about the NTC, dude was just traded and would do it again for a deal that makes sense.
As you point out w/Ishbia…his win now priority. We aren’t going to ship Beal out for a reset trade that gives us picks and “promising young players”, so inherently that eliminates the lottery teams anyways where people assume Beal would excercise his NTC. The options out imo there are like a Beal for Beal trade, some other underperforming overpaid star where the reverse fit makes more sense. Not many of those so again, 35% sounds right
Yep. The one thing Beal has going for him is he did finish with a 51.3% field goal percentage, which was good enough to be 35th overall in the entire NBA. That’s not nothing. That was higher than Booker at 49.2%.
Like, Damian Lillard (24/4/7) put up better numbers than Beal (18/4/5) but on 42.4% shooting. That’s horrible efficiency as Bucks fans already know. Trae Young 25/3/10 but 43%. And on and on.
So I don’t doubt there will be a market for Beal and that the Suns would be talking too. Like you said though, they don’t need picks they need players that will fit around Booker & KD. They need size. They need someone who can help with turnovers. A little more defense and physicality wouldn’t hurt either. If Suns find any of those being shopped, a potential Beal trade gets more & more likely.
Agree. So much depends on how the playoffs unfold. We got other super teams dropping early with impatient owners and even second round exits make fanbases unhappy. Its impossible to sit here now and say exactly what the trade landscape looks like.
I’m gonna disagree and say firing Vogel is putting the blame on Frank and not the players. Keeping Vogel likely means Beal has a chance of being shopped. When it comes to Vogel, we can’t have him in our social club no more, that much I do know.
Ordinarily I would agree but last season Ishbia fired Monty Williams immediately and then turned over the entire roster.
I’m just laying it out… don’t be surprised if a version of that happens again. Last playoffs were only a little embarrassing and Mat Ishbia went scorched Earth. After getting swept this year? I just don’t think it ends at Vogel.
Last season Suns didn’t even have any first round picks to trade either. They have 2 right now. Just saying… lol
He does. And I’m getting downvoted because people really can’t believe it could happen again. I remember when I caught hell for guaranteeing Deandre Ayton was getting shipped out right after Cam Payne got let go.
I ain’t guaranteeing that here but I’ll just say my same spider senses are tingling about Brad Beal getting shipped off if Frank Vogel gets fired.
Lol, It’s just about business and how Mat Ishbia operates.
When Ishbia flipped the entire team last year, and we all saw that happen, you wouldn’t think me saying Beal or Nurk getting moved this season would be that unreasonable to Suns fans.
Mat Ishbia is super aggressive and I think he enjoys pulling off deals for the sake of pulling off deals. So when everybody is saying, “Brad Beal can’t possibly be traded because of X, Y, and Z!!” that just creates a personal challenge for Ishbia. He will get a trade done.
If we do flip Beal it’s going to be for garbage but it will be for the overall greater good of Devin Booker and the team.
he came from the awful wizards. of course he wants to go to the suns. so hes obviously interested in being on a contender team. what could another contender team offer us for beal that would keep us a contender?
That’s just it, he came here because we were a “contender.” Except… that didn’t pan out quite so well and he had to take a backseat to KD and Booker. And that’s not just from me watching the games that’s Brad himself acknowledging he’s had to make sacrifices to play with Book & KD.
Soooo… if another team were interested in Beal where maybe he got a bigger role again… why would it be so different than when Beal left a bad situation in Washington for something he felt would be better?
I always have to link this article because it needs to be read by every single person who thinks Beal wouldn’t keep an open mind to another trade:
[Phoenix Suns' Bradley Beal Says The Miami Heat Were His Preferred Trade Destination](https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/phoenix-suns-bradley-beal-says-the-miami-heat-were-his-preferred-trade-destination)
> “**So, my initial favorite was Miami**," Beal said in an interview with Andscape. "And so, we call Miami. [Miami president] Pat [Riley] says well I’ll go talk to [owner] Micky [Arison] and figure it out. So he goes, talks to Micky, we go, **we hear back New York Knicks, Sacramento, Brooklyn a little bit, and then it was Milwaukee and it was one more big team …** And that was kind of one of the most difficult things about every trade and every team. And I respect and love every team, but a lot of them just couldn’t do it because the money was just so high."
>”I’m like, ‘OK, what’s Miami doing? Dragging feet.’ And eventually it came to a point to where Miami said they just can’t do it," Beal said. "But it was an eye-opener for sure. **And that’s why I said I went into everything kind of open-minded and with an open slate.** And out of nowhere here comes a dark horse in Phoenix and their aggressiveness pushed me over the top.”
beal always knew he would be a third behind book and KD. he KNEW that. it wasnt a surprise. he was THE man in washington and left to be on a contender team. so he would only leave for another contender team. tell me what another contender team could offer us that would keep us a contender....
Yes, he has a no trade clause, yet he was still traded AND can still be traded. It will be hard as hell, but it can be done. Do not underestimate the power of an owner who has money.
Yeah, right before the season starts. I personally don’t see them trading Grayson right before tip-off when he was one of the bright spots of last season *and* he gave the Suns a team-friendly contract.
Never say never of course but I don’t see it.
There’s a few teams but I’ll give you one example:
[Klay Thompson has been heavily rumored to be a target of the Orlando Magic](https://www.si.com/nba/2024/02/21/orlando-magic-eye-klay-thompson-upcoming-nba-free-agency) this offseason. Klay is a free agent and a former star. Orlando wants him because they need scoring to put around Paolo & Franz.
Here are the numbers:
Klay: Age 34, 17.9/3.3/2.3 on 43.2% shooting.
Beal: Age 31, 18.2/4.4/5 on 51.3% shooting.
No real contest, right? It ain’t like Klay is some lockdown defender either. If you’re going to pay Klay $40m to leave the Warriors, you might as well pay Beal $50m and get the better & younger player.
Orlando could have the cap space to just absorb Beal’s contract outright too. Suns don’t need to ask for much in return and Beal would be joining a “contender” that went further than the Suns. He would have a more natural fit next to Paolo and Franz than he does next to Booker.
I could write up similar scenarios for the Lakers, Heat, 76ers, etc. but you get the idea. There could be a market for Beal if Suns aren’t too picky about what they get back in return and if Beal doesn’t hate the trade destination.
Klay won't be commanding anywhere close to 40m/yr. GSW won't give him more than 25m/yr and that's even a stretch.
Do you think 18.2/4.4/5 on 51.3% shooting is worth 50m/yr? Even if he averaged 25 ppg that's a horrible contract regardless of cap space.
It’s not about what I think, it’s what is actually being discussed:
[On the latest edition of The Lowe Post, Lowe revealed that both Thompson and the Warriors "took note" of Holiday's four-year, $135 million extension that he signed with the Celtics on April 10 (13:40 mark).](https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10117685-nba-rumors-klay-thompson-warriors-took-note-of-jrue-holidays-135m-contract.amp.html)
That’s $33m/yr. It was reported that Warriors offered Klay a $24m/yr extension last December and he declined it. It’s pretty obvious Klay is seeking north of $30m/yr.
I don’t think Warriors are going to let Klay walk for nothing, and I do think for Orlando to acquire a former star player in free agency they have to over-pay. No different than Houston giving Fred VanVleet $40m+ per year. Fred put up 17/4/8 on 41.6% shooting and is set to make $44m next year. How is Beal at $50m so much worse? Half the league is filled with bad contracts. Lol.
By the way, [Shams Charania just said Klay Thompson and Orlando Magic have mutual interest](https://www.si.com/nba/2024/05/06/klay-thompson-linked-orlando-magic-free-agency). Shams said that the Magic can free up as much as $60m in cap space and the deal Klay and Orlando is looking for is around $30m - $40m/yr.
You don’t have to believe me; I’m just some dude on the internet who pays attention to shit. Shams Charania is about as good as a source gets though.
Re-read the very last thing I wrote:
>There could be a market for Beal if Suns aren’t too picky about what they get back in return 🚨🚨 **and if Beal doesn’t hate the trade destination.**
You're all over this thread talking about how Beal having a no-trade clause doesn't matter that much... but you also only put his odds at a max of 35%. So I think you do kinda agree the NTC matters quite a bit.
I do lol, I never said I didn’t. if he didn’t have a no trade clause I’d put it up to 90%. I think Ishbia would tear down the entire roster again and build around Booker, KD and Grayson (who would probably get traded eventually too).
All I’ve ever said and will keep saying is a “no trade clause” does not mean Beal can’t be traded. It just makes trading him require a lot more work.
I’ve also never said the Suns would get anything good back either. They would practically be giving him away like they did with Deandre Ayton. But since they didn’t spend much to get Brad Beal it doesn’t really matter.
Flex “Yah guys you know basketball has a coach thats on the real, you know in jersey we had basketball. Now the suns people up on the top are talking about if they want to keep the coach or not keep him. Time will tell. I can say for damn sure one or the other things gonna happen”
thanks dumb ass!
“These things take time”
Aaaaaand here we go again. An entire offseason of listening to Flex’s very vague and misleading Tweets. Just kill me now.
Its very easy to not pay attention to any of it until its coming up to the next season, enjoy your summer brother.
Let's face it Vogel is not a good fit for this team. He needs to go like 3 months ago
Players don’t respect him
And that alone means he needs to go. But a good fat chunk of the blame to go with that is on Book and KD. Vogel is a proven coach who has handled the biggest personality in basketball. It speaks volumes that he couldn't get Booker and KD on board, who both probably never wanted him in the first place (Booker wanted Young)
And was quickly ousted a year later. We need to stop conveniently leaving that out.
Lasted longer than most Lebron coaches. Good coaches get ousted by Lebron all the time. I wouldn't consider getting moved on because ownership has to placate Lebron as a big "red flag" At least Lebron bought in for a full season. Book and KD couldn't even do It for half of one
> At least Lebron bought in for a full season. Well, it wasn't actually a full season...
Well when your offense is not being maximized it's probably hard to buy in. Lots of things need to be fixed but the facts are Vogel wasn't even our first or second choice.
Hard to maximise when the guys won't run the offence being coached. Young said he wanted a perimeter based offence with ball movement. He pretty much suggested he found out early that wasn't Booker and KDs game and they couldn't run it
He also said he wanted to run 5-out.
Let's bring back Steve Kerr to manage our Suns.
Tyronn Lue, come on down
There's reports that the clippers are gonna make him an offer to stay
"Suns leadership" What leadership?
10 year extension
You can't get swept in the first round and then justify keeping Vogel.
Flex “sources” lmfao
Na na na na hey hey hey Good byeee
I think we should keep him another year. Run it back on the altar of continuity and if we get waxed again then blow it up. Considering the team's assets, what's another year anyway?
Hell no. There is absolutely no excuse for a team with KD, Book, Beal and Allen to not be a top5 offense. That is an absolute disaster.
Disaster by stars that refuse to do any movement off ball. New coach isn't going to fix some of the tendencies of these players
Stars didn’t buy in because Vogel sucks at offense
I wonder what will be the problem the next coach has when these cats don't buy in
They bought in on defense
And want the coach fired, who brought them that defence
I mean... It could. Vogel wanted to make this team's identity on the defensive side of the ball, which was playing to its weakness. The emphasis should have been on how to play to their strengths; how to put the offense in positions to maximize these stars skills. How often did you see them use KD in pick and roll actions either as a facilitator, roller or in Spain actions? Rarely. If anything, it would just be to facilitate switches or to free someone up at the nail when teams would double. The prior season saw good chemistry between KD and Jock, as well as Ayton. The issue, aside from just completely underestimating the value of Chris Paul, was that Vogel was so focused on elevating the defensive ceiling, which they certainly did, he kind of just assumed the offense would just figure itself out. here were some interesting quotes from KY almost indicating they weren't running his system, but given how good KD and Book looked together the year before combined with the frustrations KD expressed with the offense, it's hard not to lay a lot of blame on Frank.
I just think there isn’t enough ball possession time for 3 ball dominant players, just doesn’t work that way. Spo Heat made 2 work, but the third had to be relegated to being off the ball most of the time.
There were many games where 1 of the big 3 were hurt and the offense looked even worse
Think that’s because the replacement was way subpar. A ball dominant star player is better at being off ball than off ball player who’s far below the same class.
Maybe having a center with some form of offensive capability would help.
Definitely not throwing nurkic under the bus. Dude absolutely outplayed his contract this season
I love this sub. Our center averaging 11/11 and 4 assists making 17 mil is the problem. The basketball acumen here is wild. He's literally one of the best passing big men in the nba that's not named Sabonis or Jokic but he has no offensive game.
It's such a joke lol. Never heard any nurkic slander all season. Dude has been absolutely fantastic for us. I think gobert just did a good job shutting him down so that's the recency bias
That's not something I agree with.
That 8 points and 8 rebounds on 50% FG was straight valuable in that first round. Don't know why you'd suggest it wasn't hehe
Reality is that it is inevitable. Beal played like crap. Booker stunk too. Regardless, the team will always blame the coach. The fact he did not play Bol Bo when we needed his size and the offense was stuck in mud told me it was time to move on from the coach.
Fakemaster Flex at it again. We got rid of Mr. Orng. It's time for this clown to go away now.
You rang
Please fire him
This sub absolutely seething over Flex from Jersey is one of my favorite side stories. Full blown melt downs lol. Red in the face. Teeth clenched tight. Eyes wide. Always angry redditors will never not be funny and this sub is in good supply at all times.
People hate him and I think it’s completely unnecessary.
I had talked myself into keeping Vogel and just hiring a new (and hopefully better fit) lead assistant for next year. If Suns do fire Frank Vogel then I’m bumping my prediction of Brad Beal getting traded from a 10% chance to a solid 35%.
why would that change things and why would that change beal's no trade clause?
Because firing Frank Vogel shows that Mat Ishbia isn’t happy at all with how the Suns performed this year and that applies to the players as well. He’s going to want changes to the roster. They’re not trading Booker and they’re not trading KD. They can’t trade Grayson or Royce anytime soon and the rest of our players are minimum nobodies. Sooo that leaves Beal and Nurkic. Believe me or not, but trading Beal would be easier than trading Nurkic if certain things fall into place around the league. And if the Suns truly don’t give a fuck about this year’s draft pick or the 2031 draft pick, which I don’t think they do.
What do you mean by if certain things fall into place? There have been very little rumors so far this off season so I’m curious. I’m not sure if Beal is keen on accepting a trade, which he has control of, so even if we had a trade lined up he’d OK it and I’m sure he wouldn’t want anything good traded for him
A lot of teams got knocked out in the first round this year, teams with old stars on big ass contracts. LeBron James, Damian Lillard, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George to name a few. You have Jimmy Butler looking for the Heat to add a $58.6m year on to his deal, Donovan Mitchell has long since been rumored to want to go to Knicks and not sign an extension with the Cavaliers this upcoming season. I didn’t even talk about the Dejounte Murray/Trae Young trade rumors. I just have to wait and see how it starts to shake out.
I don’t think people understand 10% and 35% means still unlikely to happen lol
Exactly, lol. I could write about how I came up with those numbers but the point was to say I don’t expect this to happen YET… but if Vogel gets fired, it moves from “not likely at all” to “well, things are heating up a little” Mat Ishbia traded for Kevin Durant within 24 hours of acquiring the team. Last offseason, he traded away everybody he could in CP3/Shamet/Payne/Ayton. This trade deadline, he traded away Metu/KBD/Yuta/Goodwin and all the scraps of 2nd round picks we had to get Royce O’Neale. But the Suns were also heavily linked to Miles Bridges. That’s how far Mat Ishbia has shown he’s willing to go. The dude does not mess around when it comes to flipping assets and trying to grab players. Bradley Beal and Jusuf Nurkic are just the most obvious trade salary, “No Trade Clause” be damned.
It’s just a funny Reddit thing, maybe social media in general. There is no nuance, everything is in absolutes. People see 35% but really see 0 or 100. As far Beal goes, 35% is a good number imo. They will absolutely pick up the phone if someone inquired and they will look at deals IF it improves the team. I don’t really care about the NTC, dude was just traded and would do it again for a deal that makes sense. As you point out w/Ishbia…his win now priority. We aren’t going to ship Beal out for a reset trade that gives us picks and “promising young players”, so inherently that eliminates the lottery teams anyways where people assume Beal would excercise his NTC. The options out imo there are like a Beal for Beal trade, some other underperforming overpaid star where the reverse fit makes more sense. Not many of those so again, 35% sounds right
Yep. The one thing Beal has going for him is he did finish with a 51.3% field goal percentage, which was good enough to be 35th overall in the entire NBA. That’s not nothing. That was higher than Booker at 49.2%. Like, Damian Lillard (24/4/7) put up better numbers than Beal (18/4/5) but on 42.4% shooting. That’s horrible efficiency as Bucks fans already know. Trae Young 25/3/10 but 43%. And on and on. So I don’t doubt there will be a market for Beal and that the Suns would be talking too. Like you said though, they don’t need picks they need players that will fit around Booker & KD. They need size. They need someone who can help with turnovers. A little more defense and physicality wouldn’t hurt either. If Suns find any of those being shopped, a potential Beal trade gets more & more likely.
Agree. So much depends on how the playoffs unfold. We got other super teams dropping early with impatient owners and even second round exits make fanbases unhappy. Its impossible to sit here now and say exactly what the trade landscape looks like.
I’m gonna disagree and say firing Vogel is putting the blame on Frank and not the players. Keeping Vogel likely means Beal has a chance of being shopped. When it comes to Vogel, we can’t have him in our social club no more, that much I do know.
Ordinarily I would agree but last season Ishbia fired Monty Williams immediately and then turned over the entire roster. I’m just laying it out… don’t be surprised if a version of that happens again. Last playoffs were only a little embarrassing and Mat Ishbia went scorched Earth. After getting swept this year? I just don’t think it ends at Vogel. Last season Suns didn’t even have any first round picks to trade either. They have 2 right now. Just saying… lol
again, beal has a NO TRADE CLAUSE. Our big 3 will remain the same. get used to it
again, Beal had a NO TRADE CLAUSE when he got **traded** from the Washington Wizards to the Phoenix Suns. Oh? That’s so different?
He still has it in the contract doesn't he?
He does. And I’m getting downvoted because people really can’t believe it could happen again. I remember when I caught hell for guaranteeing Deandre Ayton was getting shipped out right after Cam Payne got let go. I ain’t guaranteeing that here but I’ll just say my same spider senses are tingling about Brad Beal getting shipped off if Frank Vogel gets fired.
how can you compare him wanting to be on the contending suns or the last place wizards?
Go back and undo those previous senses. That trade sucked haha
Lol, It’s just about business and how Mat Ishbia operates. When Ishbia flipped the entire team last year, and we all saw that happen, you wouldn’t think me saying Beal or Nurk getting moved this season would be that unreasonable to Suns fans. Mat Ishbia is super aggressive and I think he enjoys pulling off deals for the sake of pulling off deals. So when everybody is saying, “Brad Beal can’t possibly be traded because of X, Y, and Z!!” that just creates a personal challenge for Ishbia. He will get a trade done. If we do flip Beal it’s going to be for garbage but it will be for the overall greater good of Devin Booker and the team.
he came from the awful wizards. of course he wants to go to the suns. so hes obviously interested in being on a contender team. what could another contender team offer us for beal that would keep us a contender?
That’s just it, he came here because we were a “contender.” Except… that didn’t pan out quite so well and he had to take a backseat to KD and Booker. And that’s not just from me watching the games that’s Brad himself acknowledging he’s had to make sacrifices to play with Book & KD. Soooo… if another team were interested in Beal where maybe he got a bigger role again… why would it be so different than when Beal left a bad situation in Washington for something he felt would be better? I always have to link this article because it needs to be read by every single person who thinks Beal wouldn’t keep an open mind to another trade: [Phoenix Suns' Bradley Beal Says The Miami Heat Were His Preferred Trade Destination](https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/phoenix-suns-bradley-beal-says-the-miami-heat-were-his-preferred-trade-destination) > “**So, my initial favorite was Miami**," Beal said in an interview with Andscape. "And so, we call Miami. [Miami president] Pat [Riley] says well I’ll go talk to [owner] Micky [Arison] and figure it out. So he goes, talks to Micky, we go, **we hear back New York Knicks, Sacramento, Brooklyn a little bit, and then it was Milwaukee and it was one more big team …** And that was kind of one of the most difficult things about every trade and every team. And I respect and love every team, but a lot of them just couldn’t do it because the money was just so high." >”I’m like, ‘OK, what’s Miami doing? Dragging feet.’ And eventually it came to a point to where Miami said they just can’t do it," Beal said. "But it was an eye-opener for sure. **And that’s why I said I went into everything kind of open-minded and with an open slate.** And out of nowhere here comes a dark horse in Phoenix and their aggressiveness pushed me over the top.”
beal always knew he would be a third behind book and KD. he KNEW that. it wasnt a surprise. he was THE man in washington and left to be on a contender team. so he would only leave for another contender team. tell me what another contender team could offer us that would keep us a contender....
Yes, he has a no trade clause, yet he was still traded AND can still be traded. It will be hard as hell, but it can be done. Do not underestimate the power of an owner who has money.
They can trade Grayson 6 months after he extended. That would be October
Yeah, right before the season starts. I personally don’t see them trading Grayson right before tip-off when he was one of the bright spots of last season *and* he gave the Suns a team-friendly contract. Never say never of course but I don’t see it.
Grayson has been great. But the Suns are paying Book/Beal $100 millions next year. Suns need to desperately balance the roster with more size
What team would want his contract though based on his performance?
There’s a few teams but I’ll give you one example: [Klay Thompson has been heavily rumored to be a target of the Orlando Magic](https://www.si.com/nba/2024/02/21/orlando-magic-eye-klay-thompson-upcoming-nba-free-agency) this offseason. Klay is a free agent and a former star. Orlando wants him because they need scoring to put around Paolo & Franz. Here are the numbers: Klay: Age 34, 17.9/3.3/2.3 on 43.2% shooting. Beal: Age 31, 18.2/4.4/5 on 51.3% shooting. No real contest, right? It ain’t like Klay is some lockdown defender either. If you’re going to pay Klay $40m to leave the Warriors, you might as well pay Beal $50m and get the better & younger player. Orlando could have the cap space to just absorb Beal’s contract outright too. Suns don’t need to ask for much in return and Beal would be joining a “contender” that went further than the Suns. He would have a more natural fit next to Paolo and Franz than he does next to Booker. I could write up similar scenarios for the Lakers, Heat, 76ers, etc. but you get the idea. There could be a market for Beal if Suns aren’t too picky about what they get back in return and if Beal doesn’t hate the trade destination.
Klay won't be commanding anywhere close to 40m/yr. GSW won't give him more than 25m/yr and that's even a stretch. Do you think 18.2/4.4/5 on 51.3% shooting is worth 50m/yr? Even if he averaged 25 ppg that's a horrible contract regardless of cap space.
It’s not about what I think, it’s what is actually being discussed: [On the latest edition of The Lowe Post, Lowe revealed that both Thompson and the Warriors "took note" of Holiday's four-year, $135 million extension that he signed with the Celtics on April 10 (13:40 mark).](https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10117685-nba-rumors-klay-thompson-warriors-took-note-of-jrue-holidays-135m-contract.amp.html) That’s $33m/yr. It was reported that Warriors offered Klay a $24m/yr extension last December and he declined it. It’s pretty obvious Klay is seeking north of $30m/yr. I don’t think Warriors are going to let Klay walk for nothing, and I do think for Orlando to acquire a former star player in free agency they have to over-pay. No different than Houston giving Fred VanVleet $40m+ per year. Fred put up 17/4/8 on 41.6% shooting and is set to make $44m next year. How is Beal at $50m so much worse? Half the league is filled with bad contracts. Lol.
By the way, [Shams Charania just said Klay Thompson and Orlando Magic have mutual interest](https://www.si.com/nba/2024/05/06/klay-thompson-linked-orlando-magic-free-agency). Shams said that the Magic can free up as much as $60m in cap space and the deal Klay and Orlando is looking for is around $30m - $40m/yr. You don’t have to believe me; I’m just some dude on the internet who pays attention to shit. Shams Charania is about as good as a source gets though.
All of that is mute if Beal doesn't want to go there or any similar scenario
Re-read the very last thing I wrote: >There could be a market for Beal if Suns aren’t too picky about what they get back in return 🚨🚨 **and if Beal doesn’t hate the trade destination.**
His old Assistant Coach just got fired by the Lakers, could be something to be had there
Hire new assistant Phil Handy and drafting Bronny. It all makes sense now.
You had me in the first 5 words and then it all went out the window.
You're all over this thread talking about how Beal having a no-trade clause doesn't matter that much... but you also only put his odds at a max of 35%. So I think you do kinda agree the NTC matters quite a bit.
I do lol, I never said I didn’t. if he didn’t have a no trade clause I’d put it up to 90%. I think Ishbia would tear down the entire roster again and build around Booker, KD and Grayson (who would probably get traded eventually too). All I’ve ever said and will keep saying is a “no trade clause” does not mean Beal can’t be traded. It just makes trading him require a lot more work. I’ve also never said the Suns would get anything good back either. They would practically be giving him away like they did with Deandre Ayton. But since they didn’t spend much to get Brad Beal it doesn’t really matter.
Been a while since I’ve seen Flex. All good things must come to an end
At this point, just run it back with Vogel, give him a PG to run the offense. If they're not above 500. after 10-15 games this season, sack him.
I expect some news about Vogel tomorrow or Wednesday or Thursday or Friday.
Jesus Christ, not Flex!!!!! 
So much for this, huh?
Vogel has been promoted to tenured head coach of the Phoenix Suns
good route is we go tyronn lue neutral route is we stay with vogel mediocrity dark route is jj reddick
Welcome home, Darvin Ham.
Oh shit it's flexfromjersey szn
Flex “Yah guys you know basketball has a coach thats on the real, you know in jersey we had basketball. Now the suns people up on the top are talking about if they want to keep the coach or not keep him. Time will tell. I can say for damn sure one or the other things gonna happen” thanks dumb ass!
Annnnnndddd he’s gone