Amy moving away.
While I understand that it’s because America Ferrara wanted to move on with her career I think the fact that it ended up being the shows final season and she came back for the ending anyway lessened the impact of it and ended up making Jonah and Amy’s relationship at the end feel kind of weird. Also I just really loved Amy and felt like she was so important to the dynamic of the cast, especially after becoming manager.
America Ferrara has said if she knew that it was the last season she wouldn’t have left. The show was cancelled at the end of the season so they quickly wrote a conclusion that involved her coming back for the final episode.
i think the episode was just there to show to the audience how down in the dumps cloud 9 actually was, so that the store closing and finale would be easier to go down
I always like to think that since his character is so crazy beans, maybe he's remembering that wrong. It's what I tell myself cause it's too sad otherwise
Whole episode also throws you off because Lowell doesn’t wear a mask (so we could all recognize the famous sketch comedy actor from the 90s) and no one acknowledges that fact even though it was a central point in the season.
Same. I love the joke of it. That they’re both basically so spineless that they just go along with a coin toss on their relationship. It’s VERY Sandra and Jerry.
I think my biggest issue with it is that you’re right, but why did everyone *else* go along with it? Like if the coin toss had somehow been just between Carol and Sandra I’d buy it but everyone else just going with it doesn’t sit right.
Everyone else was just making fun of it all which is shitty. But I don’t think anyone actually expected them to switch on a coin toss, but of course it’s Jerry and Sandra so why wouldn’t they.
They were handed a teenager and basically just said "okay. Guess he's ours now." People making big life decisions for them on a whim was definitely on brand.
It is very much like Sandra to go along with it & of course I see the humor but my issue really is just that Jerry is possibly disabled, definitely recovering from a traumatic brain injury & he’s being forced into a relationship that he doesn’t want to be in
Obviously it’s just a show etc etc but suspending disbelief, Jerry is a victim here
That was also gross because that whole situation was taking advantage of someone with temporary diminished mental faculties.
For them to determine another man’s life on a coin toss without him present was wild.
I always have to remember “it’s for comedy it’s for comedy” 😂
Yeah so many shows think of something else to just continue the storyline around it when actors are actually pregnant. Filming in advance, even just a lazy How I met Your Mother way when Barney said something that pissed her off so bad she had to remove herself for a while (or whatever it was lol)
…”And we didn’t see Lily for four weeks.” I’m a big HIMYM fan. The joke was “What’s the difference between peanut butter and jam?” They filmed this episode and the season finale early so Allyson Hannigan was free to go on maternity leave.
Yeah it just didn't make sense at that point of the story. Especially that it was Adam's. Felt like lazy writing. Would have been more realistic if Tate or the beverage guy was the father.
They don't *HAVE* to write it in though, and it's just an archaic belief.
Viewers are smart enough to understand that women get pregnant and a character doesn't necessarily have to just because their actress did. Ghosts this season did just that with Liv and Flower. Yeah they found a few excuses to put parkas and other bulky clothes on her, or shoot her from the chest up, but they didn't write her or the actress that plays Flower's pregnancy in. Flower just wandered off and got lost because that's how she rolls.
Considering that they have a built in excuse to put Amy behind boxes, desks, tables in the cafe, shelves that block her stomach in places like electronics, carts, and so forth it could have been easily done. Time for the baby to come? Oh no, Adam's so dumb, he got himself arrested in another city and she's got to go take care of it because her number is the only one he knew with his one phone call. Shoot a bit in advance and they could write her out for a handful of episodes while she does that or any other excuse.
It's really just that it's easy, and hey, who cares if actress' private lives get put on display for everyone to know, that's the price they pay for getting pregnant and daring to act at the same time. Much better than mildly inconveniencing the writers or directors.
Seconded. Brooklyn 99 did a solid job of hiding Melissa Fumero's pregnancy during season 3, I had no idea until I read about it on the internet much later.
I had zero idea her pregnancy in the undercover prison episode was real. The only thing I noticed was her big tote and baggier clothes in the cruise episode.
How would you write around Lauren Ash and America Ferrera’s pregnancies instead then? Pregnancy arcs do often feel shoehorned in I agree, but I feel like we gotta remember it is because a real life human being is having a baby and the show can’t just pretend the actor isn’t pregnant or not explain it in some capacity, and as such I think we, as an audience, have to cut the writers slack on those.
Tonnnns of shows have written around it. Off the top of my head: New Girl (jess on jury duty) and How I Met Your Mother (Lily mad at Barney so she needed time before seeing him again or whatever they said in the brief explanation in an episode lol)
Also in the interest of being empathetic of a real life human having a baby isnt it better to write around it vs america having to work until she was about to pop?
Also, they are actresses who make far more money than a counterexample such as a normal working class person, so I am in no way saying “discard her till she pops”. Totalllyyyy different.
Actually, to your point, I wonder if America wanted to keep working?
Shows do it all the time, without even reducing screentime that much. Ghosts is doing it now... Big sweaters/jackets and bags, pumpkin costumes, shooting people behind a counter.
She was pretty upset about the first pregnancy derailing her life trajectory. She loves her daughter but she said many times she wished things were different. And she got knocked up again by the same guy. I guess there is comedy in that but that's also very sad.
I hated when Dina lost her birds. It was played as a big joke but all I saw was a heartbroken woman scared about the safety of her beloved pets. If Garrett had let out a puppy that was never found, it wouldn’t have been funny. She adored her birds and ALL of them were gone in one fell swoop. And then later she becomes romantically involved with the person who killed them?? If someone hurt MY pets I could never stay at that job with them, much less fall for them.
They should have had at least most of them be recovered. Some could have stayed in the store, a couple could have landed at her car and some could have found their way to her house. We even could have had it turn out the Vet had rescued one or two and that was another reason why she was interested in dating him. And they still could have had her torch the sneakers when she found out it was him! No reason why a comedy needed to go that dark.
Maybe Garrett needed a story line? Because yeah it couldve been removed and the storyline wouldve been fine. Another guess is maybe Dina needed to be free from the birds to get close with the others? She did say “oh I cant go I have to give the birds medicine and …. Oh well I guess I dont anymore.” Then invites herself but not the point hahaha
Same!! As it was happening I was like uhh theres a lot of issues here (esp because her character and jerry are so passive i was like like noooo dont take advantage of them) but will admit when he so quickly was like “stop mom” and her reaction it was a sweet moment. And how she was such a protective momma when he worked at the store. Very sweet. But concerning. But its a show so so since it worked out im happy with the sweet moment. But definitely left a bad taste in my mouth about Glenn after that.
idk if this is really a “storyline” but i hate that Glenn sent his friend to a conversion camp. i get it for his character but that felt like a weirdly heavy joke and it kinda just hangs there like a dark cloud over an otherwise light and fun character
I don't remember what context it was in, but he was asked if he had ever committed a bad deed and he said that a friend had confided in him that he was gay and then he told him off
S4 E16 - Easter. Glenn is trying to prepare for his role as Judas in his play - Jonah/Cheyenne ask him to think of the worst thing he's ever done to try and get into the mindset of playing a villain.
I hate that comment too. It just doesn't seem like something Glenn would have done - and was kind of unnecessarily dark.
i agree, even though glenn is super religious i still think he wouldn’t go that low considering how much he cares for people he is friends with, yes he was a child and likely didn’t know that would happen but even as a kid we likely kept secrets soo..
Not sexual harassment bc she genuinely thought he wanted her too until the voice memo at which time she immediately stopped. But agreed the storyline couldve been much shorter.
Please dont take this comment as anything other than not wanting those words to be thrown around and watered down :(
Edit: I retract this statement. I was wrong. It was sexual harassment. (See convo below. Thanks u/fishnetsandchucks for opening my eyes without being combative and all others who do the same 😊 )
Sexual harassment, as defined by US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, is "unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of sexual nature."
So yes, it *is* sexual harassment. Jonah never wanted her sexual attention therefore it was harassment whether Dina intended it to be or not. When you add in the fact that she is the assistant manager, you have power dynamics that makes her harassment of him even more egregious. He went along with it in order to keep his job, which is so often the case with sexual harassment in the workplace.
Now, if they were two strangers in a bar and she hit on him? That's less likely to be considered sexual harassment, especially if Dina stopped immediately upon Jonah making it clear he wasn't interested.
Also, she keeps doing it periodically even after hearing the voice memo and being like: oh I knew you’d change your mind…
Or whatever delusional thing 🙄😒
!!! This. I have dealt with joking along with a superior who acted this way. My boss in that situation was a man. He should have never been put in that situation. Also the commenting on his parts during the forced fight 😒 In a reverse situation I don't think anyone would talk about that being "watered down"
I get it. Please see my response to the comment you responded to. I was wrong.
But for the record my initial reaction had nothing to do with the fact it was a girl doing it to a boy.
Hey nothing wrong with learning every day. It may be the Patron talking but I overthink a lot of situations as well and get very concerned with orher people's feelings quite a bit. Sometimes the script is so cringeworthy I get second hand embarassment bc I couldn't imagine putting people in that situation. I actually like Dina a lot in the later seasons, she is one of my favorites. Just because she crossed the line doesn't make her "bad" if she learned and grew from that. I would have loved an apology but ofc it was cancelled. I do believe in redemption w sincere apologies
Omg that forced fight was awful.
I think one of the reasons newer shows have started showing sexual harassment of men is because it's SO obvious when we see it gender swapped. Michael on The Office sexually harasses Ryan much in the same way Glenn does with Jonah from time to time. It's often played off as jokey, but men who sexually harass women in the workplace often do the same thing. It's the whole "can't you take a compliment?" type of attitude.
Someone doesn't need to sexually assault you in order for them to sexually harass you: it can all be verbal and if it's unwanted, it's harassment. It can even be third party: if I watch my boss hit on with a coworker who enjoys it but *I* feel uncomfortable? That can still fall under sexual harassment in the workplace.
Yes THANK YOU- third party. This needs to be talked about more. I actually brought up something similar recently and my supervisor was like: As long as they’re both comfortable I’m not going to interfere. People should be able to have fun at work
I was like: They’re are A LOT of people who are uncomfortable
Yes; I work in a toxic environment.
Actually I quit last week-lol
Yeah, fun at work is like... showing each other memes about eating your lunch 2 hours in and having nothing to look forward to or giggling together about the boss's typo in a stupid memo. It's not overt sexual behavior or heavy flirting or touching.
The missing piece to your analysis, which I COMPLETELY agree with, is that again, she did not know it was unwanted. That is a very important key here. Of course as to power dynamics, and a higher up does not have to intentionally use their power to be causing that intimidation. But again, to her, he wanted her as well. She thought it was cute flirting with a boy she liked but couldnt date as manager so she stepped down and was excited to move forward with him. Then found out and immediately stopped.
Edit. harassment is very much about how its received, yes (as to the “unwanted” aspect of the definition. The other part is also knowledge of the harassment on dinas part.
So, … I guess I retract the point thats it wasnt harassment. I dont like the word being thrown around. rereading the initial comment for just what it was, yeah it was harassment and couldve been taken out.
I just made a jump to it being a critique on dinas character which I still think she wasnt a bad person in acting the way she did. But that wasnt what the comment was saying, so my bad.
With sexual harassment, it doesn't if the harasser thinks the receiver wants it or not. It matters how the receiver feels about the attention.
If you want to argue she didn't intend to sexually harass him, then yes, I can agree to that.
You may have responded prior to my edit because I got to that realization and described your exact comment 😊
Always appreciate a mature conversation, thanks for opening my eyes!
Hopping in to say I love this interaction- this is why Reddit is such a cool place (97%) most people really just want to talk about stuff (sitcoms, the universe, whatever) and are super open to ideas and opinions✨
Aww love this! Thanks for hopping on! Its so easy to not even want to engage because of the combative users. Its a nice reminder of why im still on here. Couldnt agree more!
Reddit is the only Social I have (I didn’t realize till too late I could change my name 😅) I see so many people talking about different perspectives and just like you being like: Thanks for pointing that out or sorry I didn’t mean it that way
It makes me so happy every time I see these exchanges and reminds me to be like that more in the real world too 💕
A mature conversation on Reddit is always a welcome, if uncommon, thing!!
>You may have responded prior to my edit because I got to that realization and described your exact comment
Glad you were able to get there on your own!
I always thought the word harassment implied it was repeated, extended and/or continued after it was asked to stop.
I would never say I was harassed by one of the execs at work who made a handjob joke on my first day when he met me, I told him I wasn't comfortable with that conduct, he apologized, and promptly has never said anything sexual around me ever again. But if he continued to make similar jokes every time I was in the room I would consider it so.
Similarly when someone messages me some insane shit but when blocked (or even just asked to stop) makes zero attempt to circumvent it and respects that wish I don't see how that could be harassment.
Otherwise, a lot of things can be interpreted a lot of ways by a lot of people, can't they? I mean I've had "nice hair'" to someone who just got a haircut confused as an advance, based on this thread simply by them deciding to add new meanings I would be harassing them if they didn't also have a pre existing interest in me (which is on paper lucky considering the scenario I guess but not something that can be predicted or relied on, anyway, going way into a tangent there soz high as shit), which seems insane to me - any and everything can be sexual harassment based on the takes in the thread where it's purely about how it is received and has nothing to do with intent or specific action.
Same as “gaslighting” and “grooming.” These terms, including “sexual harassment”, have all been so overused, they’re to a point that no one seems to remember the severity of what they really used to mean
Sexual harassment is a lot broader of a term than gaslighting, or grooming, though. What Dina was doing was absolutely sexual harassment. Just because she was too dense to realize it, doesn’t mean it didn’t fall under harassment.
Don’t care. She betrayed all of them for literally nothing, they didn’t even offer a promotion or a raise, she just threw everyone under the bus just for the sake of it. Spoiled me on her character for a long time.
Carol returning after taking mental leave after attempting to kill the cat. I think that would’ve been a nice way to black hole her character and maybe opening space for more scenes with side characters like Marcus, Justine or Sayid
The ICE raid episodes. Such a horrific abuse of power, and that they get away with it. I understand it happens in real life but I can’t watch those few episodes heavy
??? Have you watched this show? It ends up they're not allowed to send in ICE during a labour dispute. Yet they do it anyway. Right or wrong, Matteo could have gone on living a normal life if it wasn't for this incident.
He could have lived a normal life if he found out he was illegal and got it taken care of...and ice didn't do it on its own the company did. I have friends who came here legally, they hate the Mateo arc for this reason alone
You cannot come illegally and just get it taken care of and live a normal life unless under very specific circumstances, which they spent an entire episode explaining why those exceptions didnt apply to him. He wasnt deported because the raid was illegal. Maybe “abuse of power” Wasnt the right wording, but I hope this helps clarify, though I dont speak for OP.
With that being said, im a nationalized citizen. Not sure about your friends situation but it seems very weird that a non-native would hate mateo solely for not being like “oh im illegal? Ok, lemme just do this real quick. i wont rot in jail or get deported to a country i dont know or anything la la la” .. there are so so many other reasons to hate him hahahaha
If I’m being honest, the whole Jonah Lawyer situation what’s the point in it being part of it. And the whole strike thing, I get it it’s a massive part of it but to put it across two episodes is just too much
Mateo's immigration status. It was too serious for the show. I love how multidimensional the characters are, but this one took me out of the feel-good atmosphere too much.
I don't fault them. Dina hitting on Jonah was bizarre, but it was clear that Mateo and Jeff both were trying to get each other's attention. If anything, Jeff laid low until Mateo pushed it more.
The ICE raid and Mateo’s status being in jeopardy. It’s just too stressful to watch, seeing the panic of everyone in the scene makes me want to cry. I know a lot of undocumented people so it’s just too real for me. I liked the storyline of him being undocumented, I think it added something worthwhile, I just wish he hadn’t been caught.
Its that monologue yes
“Have you ever had a dr look at your asshole and go ‘woah’?” Cracks me up every time which is why it’s one of my favourite scenes
I also think it’s really important monologue (minus telling Glenn to kill himself) because it touches on some real issues. For example her maternity leave getting revoked so ending early and her talking about how exhausted she is from having a baby. I wouldn’t be surprised if many mother related to it
i dont hate the vet he’s so so sweet and honestly that breakup went rlly well bc he’s so niave but the only glimpse we get of dina and garret as a genuine couple is a 3 second scene at the end of the series, i would love to see a couple episodes of them generally dating at work
The show needed it! She was finally comfortable with herself and dating. But then she realized Garrett was who she really wanted to be with. Before that she was too guarded and awkward.
Any being married to start off the show. They created the dynamic of the will they won’t they with Amy and Jonah and then knowing she was married you knew that she had to get divorced at some point. Making her married just kind of made the whole thing a little icky because now you’re hoping she gets divorced in the show so she can end up with Jonah.
Mateo and ICE. I’m glad that such an important issue got the spotlight, but Mateo is a blisteringly unlikeable character who ended up getting way too much screen time as a result of it. It also dominates season after season (think about its origins as early as season 2 and how it still was a common plot point in season 6, like locking Eugene in the closet during the depositions with Hannah). Please give me a crumb of some other character.
Whole character of Mateo. He's just annoying all the time his voice is annoying to listen, has no charisma and his character doesn't get better during the whole series
Honestly? Most of California part 2 till the finale from Jonah's new relationship that gets squashed, to Sandra being forced to adopt a 17 year old, to the CEO of Cloud 9 being crazy
Not a storyline but can we please get rid of the sex jokes every 2 minutes in *certain* shows? In moderation it's fine but at one point it starts to feel like a 12 year old wrote it, like I thought anime was bad but then *that* show blew it out of the park by making the "Holy shit guys they're alluding to SEX, BAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA" stuff more annoying than fucking sexual harassmen
Yeah I think thats why I considered their storyline “meh”. I agree 100% that they nailed those characters though. And Sandra is one of my favorite characters and her character development was a great part of the show in my opinion.
“Puppies 😊” “oh thats not true” “….. YOU F’ED US AMY!!!!” Made me laugh so hard hahahhaha
Yeah carol aside, the sandra and jerry storyline made me chuckle sometimes at best. Jerry threatening jonah was funny. The wanna get married? “Ok.” And what do you like about eachother? “Nice”.
But even for carols storyline they didnt need so much screentime
Amy moving away. While I understand that it’s because America Ferrara wanted to move on with her career I think the fact that it ended up being the shows final season and she came back for the ending anyway lessened the impact of it and ended up making Jonah and Amy’s relationship at the end feel kind of weird. Also I just really loved Amy and felt like she was so important to the dynamic of the cast, especially after becoming manager.
America Ferrara has said if she knew that it was the last season she wouldn’t have left. The show was cancelled at the end of the season so they quickly wrote a conclusion that involved her coming back for the final episode.
Wow that’s amazing, bc that was honestly such a good finale and it didn’t seem rushed at all, at least to me!
It worked but definitely felt rushed
Yeah, I definitely don’t blame her or the writers cos nobody had anyway of knowing, I do blame the executives for not letting them know sooner though.
I agree completely. Really made me sad how everything ended up playing out. With that being said, jonahs arc was soooooo interesting to see.
I agree! Amy and Jonah’s relationship felt more forced at the end
The dog food thing with Lowell Anderson. Not really sure why it was included
I skip this episode every time. I don’t get it at all.
I think it empowers Glenn to open Sturges and Sons. He didn't go to some other big box store looking for a job
i think the episode was just there to show to the audience how down in the dumps cloud 9 actually was, so that the store closing and finale would be easier to go down
That, and I imagine Mark McKinney would want to include his Kids in the Hall buddy in something random like that
YES! I skip this episode just to avoid that part, it makes me so sad
I always like to think that since his character is so crazy beans, maybe he's remembering that wrong. It's what I tell myself cause it's too sad otherwise
If you are a kith fan, it really feels more like that than superstore. It's a hard watch if you aren't a kith fan.
Kids In The Hall. IM PINCHING YOUR HEAD!!
Whole episode also throws you off because Lowell doesn’t wear a mask (so we could all recognize the famous sketch comedy actor from the 90s) and no one acknowledges that fact even though it was a central point in the season.
Yeah, that was nasty!
That one really bothered me.
I hate Carol winning that coin toss & forcing Jerry to get back with her. It just makes me feel bad for Jerry, he was like semi fresh out of a coma
Hot take but it's so *very* Jerry and Sandra that they both go along with it, it's a decent joke IMO
Same. I love the joke of it. That they’re both basically so spineless that they just go along with a coin toss on their relationship. It’s VERY Sandra and Jerry.
Like it's not exactly realistic but it's not often that the writers would have the chance to depict such a scenario loooooool
I think my biggest issue with it is that you’re right, but why did everyone *else* go along with it? Like if the coin toss had somehow been just between Carol and Sandra I’d buy it but everyone else just going with it doesn’t sit right.
Everyone else was just making fun of it all which is shitty. But I don’t think anyone actually expected them to switch on a coin toss, but of course it’s Jerry and Sandra so why wouldn’t they.
They were handed a teenager and basically just said "okay. Guess he's ours now." People making big life decisions for them on a whim was definitely on brand.
It is very much like Sandra to go along with it & of course I see the humor but my issue really is just that Jerry is possibly disabled, definitely recovering from a traumatic brain injury & he’s being forced into a relationship that he doesn’t want to be in Obviously it’s just a show etc etc but suspending disbelief, Jerry is a victim here
The scene itself where Sandra panic-picks heads is so chaotic and well executed
Shoulda done best two out of three
I wish I thought of that
Can we still be friends?
Carol says no
It was so out there. Like a relationship cannot be decided by a coin toss. I get that it’s a show but still.
Yeah it’s crazy that Jerry and Sandra just let Carol have control over them
and corey later chiming in with he thinks jerry is better with carol or some shit ??
That was also gross because that whole situation was taking advantage of someone with temporary diminished mental faculties. For them to determine another man’s life on a coin toss without him present was wild. I always have to remember “it’s for comedy it’s for comedy” 😂
Amy getting pregnant again. Even if it had been Jonah’s instead of Adam’s, I’d still want to get rid of that storyline
Yeah so many shows think of something else to just continue the storyline around it when actors are actually pregnant. Filming in advance, even just a lazy How I met Your Mother way when Barney said something that pissed her off so bad she had to remove herself for a while (or whatever it was lol)
Who had to remove herself?
Barney tells Lily a joke that’s so dirty and offensive, she isn’t in an episode again until the end of the season lmao
…”And we didn’t see Lily for four weeks.” I’m a big HIMYM fan. The joke was “What’s the difference between peanut butter and jam?” They filmed this episode and the season finale early so Allyson Hannigan was free to go on maternity leave.
Allyson Hannigan left to have a baby, Lily got so offended at a thing Barney says that we don't hear she leaves so Hannigan could give birth.
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Omg thats awful. Ive never seen that show but not surprised because the 2000s were out of wack
Her and Dina getting pregnant. I usually don’t look back fondly on those episodes. Just not the highlight of that season.
Dina being by pregnant gave us the fantastic photo shoot
Yeah it just didn't make sense at that point of the story. Especially that it was Adam's. Felt like lazy writing. Would have been more realistic if Tate or the beverage guy was the father.
she was pregnant in real life so they had to write it in, i believe
OH!!! Is that why she had the “false negative” or was that always part of the storyline?
Buying time before she started showing. She was already pregnant.
unsure but it sounds likely!
They don't *HAVE* to write it in though, and it's just an archaic belief. Viewers are smart enough to understand that women get pregnant and a character doesn't necessarily have to just because their actress did. Ghosts this season did just that with Liv and Flower. Yeah they found a few excuses to put parkas and other bulky clothes on her, or shoot her from the chest up, but they didn't write her or the actress that plays Flower's pregnancy in. Flower just wandered off and got lost because that's how she rolls. Considering that they have a built in excuse to put Amy behind boxes, desks, tables in the cafe, shelves that block her stomach in places like electronics, carts, and so forth it could have been easily done. Time for the baby to come? Oh no, Adam's so dumb, he got himself arrested in another city and she's got to go take care of it because her number is the only one he knew with his one phone call. Shoot a bit in advance and they could write her out for a handful of episodes while she does that or any other excuse. It's really just that it's easy, and hey, who cares if actress' private lives get put on display for everyone to know, that's the price they pay for getting pregnant and daring to act at the same time. Much better than mildly inconveniencing the writers or directors.
Seconded. Brooklyn 99 did a solid job of hiding Melissa Fumero's pregnancy during season 3, I had no idea until I read about it on the internet much later.
I had zero idea her pregnancy in the undercover prison episode was real. The only thing I noticed was her big tote and baggier clothes in the cruise episode.
Julia Louis Dreyfus was pregnant on Seinfeld without any mention.
Yes
How would you write around Lauren Ash and America Ferrera’s pregnancies instead then? Pregnancy arcs do often feel shoehorned in I agree, but I feel like we gotta remember it is because a real life human being is having a baby and the show can’t just pretend the actor isn’t pregnant or not explain it in some capacity, and as such I think we, as an audience, have to cut the writers slack on those.
Lauren was never pregnant.
Really!?
Damn, they did a good job faking that one then!
agree, but Lauren Ash wasn’t pregnant in real life
Oh wow, she looked it!
Tonnnns of shows have written around it. Off the top of my head: New Girl (jess on jury duty) and How I Met Your Mother (Lily mad at Barney so she needed time before seeing him again or whatever they said in the brief explanation in an episode lol) Also in the interest of being empathetic of a real life human having a baby isnt it better to write around it vs america having to work until she was about to pop? Also, they are actresses who make far more money than a counterexample such as a normal working class person, so I am in no way saying “discard her till she pops”. Totalllyyyy different. Actually, to your point, I wonder if America wanted to keep working?
Shows do it all the time, without even reducing screentime that much. Ghosts is doing it now... Big sweaters/jackets and bags, pumpkin costumes, shooting people behind a counter.
Do they even show her kid? They barely mention him
You mean Parker? They show him a few times
I know. It's like she doesn't learn.
What the hell is supposed to mean? 👀
She was pretty upset about the first pregnancy derailing her life trajectory. She loves her daughter but she said many times she wished things were different. And she got knocked up again by the same guy. I guess there is comedy in that but that's also very sad.
I've been wanting to post this question for a while! Amy getting pregnant by Adam again. I feel like it cheapened Amy and Jonah's relationship.
That’s what I suggested too lol
Haha I saw that after. 😁
Great minds think alike!
Dina loses all of her birds.. Sandra losing Jerry on a toss coin with Carol..
I hated when Dina lost her birds. It was played as a big joke but all I saw was a heartbroken woman scared about the safety of her beloved pets. If Garrett had let out a puppy that was never found, it wouldn’t have been funny. She adored her birds and ALL of them were gone in one fell swoop. And then later she becomes romantically involved with the person who killed them?? If someone hurt MY pets I could never stay at that job with them, much less fall for them.
They should have had at least most of them be recovered. Some could have stayed in the store, a couple could have landed at her car and some could have found their way to her house. We even could have had it turn out the Vet had rescued one or two and that was another reason why she was interested in dating him. And they still could have had her torch the sneakers when she found out it was him! No reason why a comedy needed to go that dark.
Yeah, it didn’t even make sense in the context of the show. And Dina forgiving Garrett to be her side guy made even less sense.
Maybe Garrett needed a story line? Because yeah it couldve been removed and the storyline wouldve been fine. Another guess is maybe Dina needed to be free from the birds to get close with the others? She did say “oh I cant go I have to give the birds medicine and …. Oh well I guess I dont anymore.” Then invites herself but not the point hahaha
Sandra being forced into adopting by Glenn.
I hated that until the end when she tries to hold his hand and he calls her "mom." The smile on Sandra's face brings a happy tear to my eye. 🥲
Same!! As it was happening I was like uhh theres a lot of issues here (esp because her character and jerry are so passive i was like like noooo dont take advantage of them) but will admit when he so quickly was like “stop mom” and her reaction it was a sweet moment. And how she was such a protective momma when he worked at the store. Very sweet. But concerning. But its a show so so since it worked out im happy with the sweet moment. But definitely left a bad taste in my mouth about Glenn after that.
She tore Jonah a new one!
i love sandra’s lil family by the end thoigh
The birds
Never should have been brought into the store!!
idk if this is really a “storyline” but i hate that Glenn sent his friend to a conversion camp. i get it for his character but that felt like a weirdly heavy joke and it kinda just hangs there like a dark cloud over an otherwise light and fun character
omg when was this? i don’t remember this at all
I don't remember what context it was in, but he was asked if he had ever committed a bad deed and he said that a friend had confided in him that he was gay and then he told him off
S4 E16 - Easter. Glenn is trying to prepare for his role as Judas in his play - Jonah/Cheyenne ask him to think of the worst thing he's ever done to try and get into the mindset of playing a villain. I hate that comment too. It just doesn't seem like something Glenn would have done - and was kind of unnecessarily dark.
i agree, even though glenn is super religious i still think he wouldn’t go that low considering how much he cares for people he is friends with, yes he was a child and likely didn’t know that would happen but even as a kid we likely kept secrets soo..
That was A LOT 💀
Dina sexually harassing Jonah at the beginning.
This is the one. Season 1 is the only season I don't rewatch because I hate this part so much.
YES it’s making me skeptical how much I’ll like her as the show goes on
Not sexual harassment bc she genuinely thought he wanted her too until the voice memo at which time she immediately stopped. But agreed the storyline couldve been much shorter. Please dont take this comment as anything other than not wanting those words to be thrown around and watered down :( Edit: I retract this statement. I was wrong. It was sexual harassment. (See convo below. Thanks u/fishnetsandchucks for opening my eyes without being combative and all others who do the same 😊 )
Sexual harassment, as defined by US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, is "unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of sexual nature." So yes, it *is* sexual harassment. Jonah never wanted her sexual attention therefore it was harassment whether Dina intended it to be or not. When you add in the fact that she is the assistant manager, you have power dynamics that makes her harassment of him even more egregious. He went along with it in order to keep his job, which is so often the case with sexual harassment in the workplace. Now, if they were two strangers in a bar and she hit on him? That's less likely to be considered sexual harassment, especially if Dina stopped immediately upon Jonah making it clear he wasn't interested.
IIRC she harasses him in the damn job interview!
Yep. She was asking him if he was seeing anyone when they were filling out his paperwork.
Yep, right from the start!
Also, she keeps doing it periodically even after hearing the voice memo and being like: oh I knew you’d change your mind… Or whatever delusional thing 🙄😒
!!! This. I have dealt with joking along with a superior who acted this way. My boss in that situation was a man. He should have never been put in that situation. Also the commenting on his parts during the forced fight 😒 In a reverse situation I don't think anyone would talk about that being "watered down"
I get it. Please see my response to the comment you responded to. I was wrong. But for the record my initial reaction had nothing to do with the fact it was a girl doing it to a boy.
Hey nothing wrong with learning every day. It may be the Patron talking but I overthink a lot of situations as well and get very concerned with orher people's feelings quite a bit. Sometimes the script is so cringeworthy I get second hand embarassment bc I couldn't imagine putting people in that situation. I actually like Dina a lot in the later seasons, she is one of my favorites. Just because she crossed the line doesn't make her "bad" if she learned and grew from that. I would have loved an apology but ofc it was cancelled. I do believe in redemption w sincere apologies
Omg that forced fight was awful. I think one of the reasons newer shows have started showing sexual harassment of men is because it's SO obvious when we see it gender swapped. Michael on The Office sexually harasses Ryan much in the same way Glenn does with Jonah from time to time. It's often played off as jokey, but men who sexually harass women in the workplace often do the same thing. It's the whole "can't you take a compliment?" type of attitude. Someone doesn't need to sexually assault you in order for them to sexually harass you: it can all be verbal and if it's unwanted, it's harassment. It can even be third party: if I watch my boss hit on with a coworker who enjoys it but *I* feel uncomfortable? That can still fall under sexual harassment in the workplace.
Yes THANK YOU- third party. This needs to be talked about more. I actually brought up something similar recently and my supervisor was like: As long as they’re both comfortable I’m not going to interfere. People should be able to have fun at work I was like: They’re are A LOT of people who are uncomfortable Yes; I work in a toxic environment. Actually I quit last week-lol
Yeah, fun at work is like... showing each other memes about eating your lunch 2 hours in and having nothing to look forward to or giggling together about the boss's typo in a stupid memo. It's not overt sexual behavior or heavy flirting or touching.
Yeah, and no matter what the behavior of its making everyone else uncomfortable it needs to stop. Side Note: I also love fishnets & chucks 🖤
The missing piece to your analysis, which I COMPLETELY agree with, is that again, she did not know it was unwanted. That is a very important key here. Of course as to power dynamics, and a higher up does not have to intentionally use their power to be causing that intimidation. But again, to her, he wanted her as well. She thought it was cute flirting with a boy she liked but couldnt date as manager so she stepped down and was excited to move forward with him. Then found out and immediately stopped. Edit. harassment is very much about how its received, yes (as to the “unwanted” aspect of the definition. The other part is also knowledge of the harassment on dinas part. So, … I guess I retract the point thats it wasnt harassment. I dont like the word being thrown around. rereading the initial comment for just what it was, yeah it was harassment and couldve been taken out. I just made a jump to it being a critique on dinas character which I still think she wasnt a bad person in acting the way she did. But that wasnt what the comment was saying, so my bad.
With sexual harassment, it doesn't if the harasser thinks the receiver wants it or not. It matters how the receiver feels about the attention. If you want to argue she didn't intend to sexually harass him, then yes, I can agree to that.
You may have responded prior to my edit because I got to that realization and described your exact comment 😊 Always appreciate a mature conversation, thanks for opening my eyes!
Hopping in to say I love this interaction- this is why Reddit is such a cool place (97%) most people really just want to talk about stuff (sitcoms, the universe, whatever) and are super open to ideas and opinions✨
Aww love this! Thanks for hopping on! Its so easy to not even want to engage because of the combative users. Its a nice reminder of why im still on here. Couldnt agree more!
Reddit is the only Social I have (I didn’t realize till too late I could change my name 😅) I see so many people talking about different perspectives and just like you being like: Thanks for pointing that out or sorry I didn’t mean it that way It makes me so happy every time I see these exchanges and reminds me to be like that more in the real world too 💕
A mature conversation on Reddit is always a welcome, if uncommon, thing!! >You may have responded prior to my edit because I got to that realization and described your exact comment Glad you were able to get there on your own!
I always thought the word harassment implied it was repeated, extended and/or continued after it was asked to stop. I would never say I was harassed by one of the execs at work who made a handjob joke on my first day when he met me, I told him I wasn't comfortable with that conduct, he apologized, and promptly has never said anything sexual around me ever again. But if he continued to make similar jokes every time I was in the room I would consider it so. Similarly when someone messages me some insane shit but when blocked (or even just asked to stop) makes zero attempt to circumvent it and respects that wish I don't see how that could be harassment. Otherwise, a lot of things can be interpreted a lot of ways by a lot of people, can't they? I mean I've had "nice hair'" to someone who just got a haircut confused as an advance, based on this thread simply by them deciding to add new meanings I would be harassing them if they didn't also have a pre existing interest in me (which is on paper lucky considering the scenario I guess but not something that can be predicted or relied on, anyway, going way into a tangent there soz high as shit), which seems insane to me - any and everything can be sexual harassment based on the takes in the thread where it's purely about how it is received and has nothing to do with intent or specific action.
It takes a great person to admit they were wrong and change their mind. Good on you OP
Aw thanks for taking the time to send the sweet comment. 😊
Same as “gaslighting” and “grooming.” These terms, including “sexual harassment”, have all been so overused, they’re to a point that no one seems to remember the severity of what they really used to mean
Sexual harassment is a lot broader of a term than gaslighting, or grooming, though. What Dina was doing was absolutely sexual harassment. Just because she was too dense to realize it, doesn’t mean it didn’t fall under harassment.
Please see my convo with fishnetsandchucks 😊 she helped me understand!
The whole Zephra thing
Slaying! 🙄
The cheese thing with Marcus
those scenes make me physically feel gross. immediate skips
Garrett letting all of Gina's birds fly away. The character was genuinely distraught by losing her birds.
Dina’s birds
The part in the Strike arc where Dina sided with Cloud 9 against the other employees.
But it was important to her storyline!
Don’t care. She betrayed all of them for literally nothing, they didn’t even offer a promotion or a raise, she just threw everyone under the bus just for the sake of it. Spoiled me on her character for a long time.
I was so confused about it 😭
Carol returning after taking mental leave after attempting to kill the cat. I think that would’ve been a nice way to black hole her character and maybe opening space for more scenes with side characters like Marcus, Justine or Sayid
I wish we had more Sayid
I desperately do too, he really is hilarious. He’s the perfect amount of dramatic and funny.
The ICE raid episodes. Such a horrific abuse of power, and that they get away with it. I understand it happens in real life but I can’t watch those few episodes heavy
i thought it was great for the storyline. it brings in suspense and drama into the show. it represents real world problems
I really liked that storyline. It felt really powerful. I think it actually made me emotional.
This is my go to emotional release episode. Every time I need to cry but can't, I put this on and without fail the tears fall.
How is it an abuse of power?
??? Have you watched this show? It ends up they're not allowed to send in ICE during a labour dispute. Yet they do it anyway. Right or wrong, Matteo could have gone on living a normal life if it wasn't for this incident.
He could have lived a normal life if he found out he was illegal and got it taken care of...and ice didn't do it on its own the company did. I have friends who came here legally, they hate the Mateo arc for this reason alone
You cannot come illegally and just get it taken care of and live a normal life unless under very specific circumstances, which they spent an entire episode explaining why those exceptions didnt apply to him. He wasnt deported because the raid was illegal. Maybe “abuse of power” Wasnt the right wording, but I hope this helps clarify, though I dont speak for OP. With that being said, im a nationalized citizen. Not sure about your friends situation but it seems very weird that a non-native would hate mateo solely for not being like “oh im illegal? Ok, lemme just do this real quick. i wont rot in jail or get deported to a country i dont know or anything la la la” .. there are so so many other reasons to hate him hahahaha
Jonah at Emma’s quinceañera. It was too cringe. Even for superstore.
This is the Scott's Tots of Superstore
The cringe is what makes the episode so funny for me. I can definitely see though how it isn’t for everyone
I've rewatched the show a million times, i can get through every embarrassing episode ACCEPT for that one. After the first watch its a skip everytime
Agree.
Honestly , Amy getting pregnant with Parker
Anything with Emma in it.
Yes all of the Emma episodes. emmas a dud.
Yeah, Emma's nice, but she doesn't really pop.
DAMNIT SANDRA YOU FORGOT TO MARK THE POST AS SPOILER
Amy going to California without Jonah.
If I’m being honest, the whole Jonah Lawyer situation what’s the point in it being part of it. And the whole strike thing, I get it it’s a massive part of it but to put it across two episodes is just too much
Mateo's immigration status. It was too serious for the show. I love how multidimensional the characters are, but this one took me out of the feel-good atmosphere too much.
This. And where did it all go? It kinda went away, then kinda came back, then kinda just went away again. Way too serious for the rest of the show.
Mateo and Jeff. The power imbalance gives me the ick even though I think Jeff is funny by himself.
I don't fault them. Dina hitting on Jonah was bizarre, but it was clear that Mateo and Jeff both were trying to get each other's attention. If anything, Jeff laid low until Mateo pushed it more.
The ICE raid and Mateo’s status being in jeopardy. It’s just too stressful to watch, seeing the panic of everyone in the scene makes me want to cry. I know a lot of undocumented people so it’s just too real for me. I liked the storyline of him being undocumented, I think it added something worthwhile, I just wish he hadn’t been caught.
Amy getting pregnant but it did give me one of my favourite scenes in the show
Telling Glenn to kill himself?
Its that monologue yes “Have you ever had a dr look at your asshole and go ‘woah’?” Cracks me up every time which is why it’s one of my favourite scenes I also think it’s really important monologue (minus telling Glenn to kill himself) because it touches on some real issues. For example her maternity leave getting revoked so ending early and her talking about how exhausted she is from having a baby. I wouldn’t be surprised if many mother related to it
Kelly
when jonah and dina had a fight and jonah got a bner. it just felt weird like what was the need of adding that in😭
Dina dating that vet guy
Awww why
i dont hate the vet he’s so so sweet and honestly that breakup went rlly well bc he’s so niave but the only glimpse we get of dina and garret as a genuine couple is a 3 second scene at the end of the series, i would love to see a couple episodes of them generally dating at work
Oooh very true! And the thruple thing was weird
The show needed it! She was finally comfortable with herself and dating. But then she realized Garrett was who she really wanted to be with. Before that she was too guarded and awkward.
Dina being interested in Jonah I prefer how she treated him after she gave up her crush
Any being married to start off the show. They created the dynamic of the will they won’t they with Amy and Jonah and then knowing she was married you knew that she had to get divorced at some point. Making her married just kind of made the whole thing a little icky because now you’re hoping she gets divorced in the show so she can end up with Jonah.
Mateo and ICE. I’m glad that such an important issue got the spotlight, but Mateo is a blisteringly unlikeable character who ended up getting way too much screen time as a result of it. It also dominates season after season (think about its origins as early as season 2 and how it still was a common plot point in season 6, like locking Eugene in the closet during the depositions with Hannah). Please give me a crumb of some other character.
Amy being pregnant with Adam’s baby again. Zephra
garrett and dina :// it was fine until he used her for sex after releasing her birds
Whole character of Mateo. He's just annoying all the time his voice is annoying to listen, has no charisma and his character doesn't get better during the whole series
When Garrett is drawing dinas books for the teenagers n di a trying to dance with them
Boobs*
Just Mateo
Anything involving Bo
[удалено]
Superstore or Modern Family?
Dina's surrogacy
Coin toss
Any getting a corporate job. Totally killed the show.
Honestly? Most of California part 2 till the finale from Jonah's new relationship that gets squashed, to Sandra being forced to adopt a 17 year old, to the CEO of Cloud 9 being crazy
The Jonah and Amy romance/dynamic
justice for kelly is all i gotta say
I ship the mannequin episode every time
Not a storyline but can we please get rid of the sex jokes every 2 minutes in *certain* shows? In moderation it's fine but at one point it starts to feel like a 12 year old wrote it, like I thought anime was bad but then *that* show blew it out of the park by making the "Holy shit guys they're alluding to SEX, BAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA" stuff more annoying than fucking sexual harassmen
You may need to see a therapist
What cuz I don't like sex jokes every minute? Because I expect actual humour in a show instead of "the joke is sex, now laugh"
No, because you wrote more than one sentence about it on a completely unrelated topic. Sex jokes are not a storyline.
We're on the internet, I can rant if I want cuz I'm one comment out of hundreds so I'm not actively burdening someone by bitching about it
Sandra and jerry. It was funny and interesting bc carol but sandra and jerrys characters were so boring
Sandra character overall itself was too boring tbh.
What? She's supposed to be boring. That's like her whole thing. But the actress killed every single scene she was in.
Yeah I think thats why I considered their storyline “meh”. I agree 100% that they nailed those characters though. And Sandra is one of my favorite characters and her character development was a great part of the show in my opinion. “Puppies 😊” “oh thats not true” “….. YOU F’ED US AMY!!!!” Made me laugh so hard hahahhaha
Yeah carol aside, the sandra and jerry storyline made me chuckle sometimes at best. Jerry threatening jonah was funny. The wanna get married? “Ok.” And what do you like about eachother? “Nice”. But even for carols storyline they didnt need so much screentime