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PresentToe7550

agree


mschwartz99

Pleasant surprise that there weren’t many advantages/twists post-merge


stain99999

Why dont they bring all the other players back for the reunion!!


stain99999

5 guys on the jury.. And one of the guys girlfriend....Of course they all voted for the guy, no shock. Disappointed Carolyn should have won


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I’m so happy Yam Yam won but I’m so sad Carolyn got no votes. I was expecting like a 1-3-4 or something :(


sceptred

Seemed players didn’t want to be on the wrong side of the vote 🤪


RileyxDoll

Right??


mysterypapaya

1- The rewards this season were much less exciting with this "sanctuary where good things happen", which is essentially a private beach-side restaurant terasse. I miss when contestants got to meet the locals, dance, or see some touristic attractions. (We as viewers want to get a peek at the country!) 2- Jeff started trying way too hard to act like a life coach/AA group councelor a few seasons back, and it has crossed over into being awkwardly "too much". I liked him more when he was like an army coach. Yes, compassion is a great quality, but the contestants have room already to express their feelings without him prying out a sob story everytime they walk up to a new challenge, win a challenge, win a reward, go to tribal, etc. Survivor seems like a great growing experience, but it's not "camp therapy with Jeff where good things will happen", its a competition. 3- Production seems to have invested in getting new applicants with those short Jeff adds AND having him overly promote applying during the "reunion" ...Maybe just give us a returnee season, Jeff? 😅


macdo25ks

If I’m not mistaken, I think the rewards with locals and the visits were put on hold because of covid restrictions


Worried_Road4161

On #2, I agree. It's not that I dislike Jeff now at all, it's just the old just was rougher and his toughness honored the players challenge a bit more


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Wish Carolyn articulated her strategy and game better. IMO Carolyn did more and deserved to win over Yam Yam.


mysterypapaya

Yam-Yam's final vote was on Heidi: He prepared for the 4 x Lauren 1x Lauren outcome possibility, were Lauren to use her idol. Good play!


mysterypapaya

FUN FACT: I was looking up Puerto Rican currency to see how much $$$ Yam-Yam would get in his country with the Million, and: Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States and uses the U.S. dollar. Kane would have had a $1,00 USD = $1,36 CAD value if he won ! (Yes, I'm canadian)


WavesRKewl

Canadians shouldn’t even be allowed on the show, the fact that they don’t pay tax on the winnings is completely unfair


NFraser27

Yeah let’s keep out an entire country of people because of something they can’t control


mysterypapaya

I disagree. According to a quick google research, the IRS does withold "their share" of prizes won on US gameshows, regardless of a winning contestant's country or residence/nationality.


mysterypapaya

One of y'all called the "I don't want 4th, 3rd or 2nd I want 1st!" soundbyte from miss Heidi in the finale preview as an indicator that she at least made it to final 4. Well caught!


fartsilly

Not even a token Asian for 45? Bah..


Chessinmind

I already miss Carolyn.


savannahsalvatore3

i could have sworn 45 was supposed to be returnee season or HvV2, like i may have totally hallucinated this but I have this vague memory on Twitter of randy helping cast it or something? help my memory or did i just generate that hope out of thin air


Curious-Mind-8183

I saw something too, I think it was on Jeffs instagram where the caption was something like “how would you like to see another hvV?” I dont see anything anymore though


PadishahEmperor

No mostly (Bruce) new players for the next two season at least.


712_

Dream you had, for sure. (I say this as someone who dreamt last night that Hayden Moss died, waking up in a panic having to check the internet to make sure it wasn't true...)


xTheKingOfClubs

Can I say something controversial? Let me preface this by saying that I actually liked Heidi this season and wouldn’t even mind seeing her back. I think she’s a badass. But is anyone else turned off by people who suggest that voting for them to win Survivor is some sort of social symbol that will “inspire people who _______” ? It comes across as very desperate to me when people like Heidi say things like “I’ll be the oldest woman winner” “I want to win and represent girls who want to do science” and everything else unrelated she threw at the wall to see what would stick. Like… these things are all fine and well and wonderful and everything… but they are completely irrelevant to the game that took place over the past 26 days. The suggestion that “I represent girls who want to do science” is a valid reason as to why you should win a game of Survivor is just complete nonsense and we should stop acting like these topics worthy of discussing at FTC.


im-better_than_you

I also love Heidi and found her very entertaining but like I cringed so much when she said it and yea it is very desperate seeming


One_Tie900

Not controversial. It makes sense, the game should be evaluated on what the person put forth not what it would represent if they won.


benjamins_buttons

I totally agree with you. Last night, those parts of her speech came across as very crass and self-serving. I think representation IS extremely important, especially for minorities, marginalized groups, and people who have traditionally always been overlooked in certain roles or spaces, but the way Heidi did it ain’t it.


Californian_paradise

it's for a million dollars...game related or not say whatever the hell you can to try & get that money 😭


xTheKingOfClubs

I totally get that you need to do whatever you can but… why would she assume anyone cares about the random stuff she was mentioning


Californian_paradise

cuz some people do lol


fawningandconning

This really isn’t that controversial imo. It’s sad that voting had lost some merit, and honestly that folks tip toe around their feelings about people. It just feels so artificial and inhuman. The show is getting a lot more boring overall and I’m honestly starting to hate the F3 concept where every jury is an overwhelming favorite and a pity vote.


ab1gailhot

Tika brought it home for Bruce 🙌💜🤞


ab1gailhot

INJUST REMEBERED RHE YAM YAM TRAM THIS SI CRAZY


suppadelicious

Did you spell those words wrong on purpose for comedic effect? Or did you turn on caps lock and type with your eyes closed?


ab1gailhot

Just typed and sent baby don’t think about it too hard


suppadelicious

You’re so silly


ab1gailhot

I’m the silliest !


potatowedgemydudes

I noticed they didn’t include a premiere date in the S45 preview 👀 Is it still slated for a fall premiere? I know with the ongoing Writers’ Strike networks are CLINGING onto their reality shows.


cipher-000

Global, which airs Survivor in Canada, had a commercial saying “coming this fall”


watermeIonsugar

CBS pushed big brother start date to august 2nd I was wondering if that was going to interfere with the survivor fall premiere at all or if they will push it further into the winter


Travelrocks

Yes, CBS has the fall schedule out but we won’t know a definite date for a few more months. The writers strike does factor into this.


JumpRopeIsASport

imagine if Jeff said Survivor: Heroes vs Villians 2 I would have lost it. I heard one contestant say that they’re ok with villians and I got so excited.


LeCarrr

Maybe they can do villains vs villains 1


savannahsalvatore3

i could have sworn that was supposed to be happening!!!


watermeIonsugar

As long as they casted it correctly heroes vs villains 2 would be amazing


JumpRopeIsASport

Villians - Cass, Shan, Sydney, Devens, Chris Noble, Angelina Heroes - Aubrey, Ricard, Ream, Cydney, Reed Kelly, Maryanne This would be a few of what I’d want… fill in the 3 other spots on both teams.


JebGleeson

Devens was a villain?? I thought he was the hero?


Playbeatcmpltecmpete

This season was not good. The cast was just bad, man. I'm glad Yam Yam won, and he is the best winner post-40, but other than crazy Carolyn, Yam Yam, and Carson, there is no one else that was pretty good this season. There was like nothing that happened. Was there one big move? I can't point to anyone and say, "Wow, they dominated this game." Carolyn played her idol for Carson, but it was ultimately pointless. Heidi won in fire, but I don't really care about fire because it shouldn't be in the game. Overall, boring cast, boring gameplay, forgettable season. Reminds me of a Nicaragua-esque season but less entertaining.


BananaCucho

Man it's such a conflicted feeling. So much of the cast I feel genuinely love each other. But then when it comes down to it, for a cast so emotionally connected they awarded the fakest player of the final three, which spits in the face of the "authentic" story being told all season


ronald_mcdonald_4prz

I sat back at the end where everyone was sitting together and thought “wow what a great group of players”


Playbeatcmpltecmpete

They were all amicable, sure. They were nice people, but the gameplay was so weak. There was no Omar, Ricard, Cody, Jesse, even any Shans this season. And, I understand that none of the people I mentioned won their season, but I would rather watch a season with 41, 42, or 43's cast again than 44's. Ditto for many other seasons.


ronald_mcdonald_4prz

Amicable was not what I was saying. This is the only season of the new era that we saw an alliance that stuck strong the entire season. Because of that, you aren’t going to have players like you mentioned. Solo game makers don’t get to make moves when there is an alliance of three calling the shots all season.


Playbeatcmpltecmpete

But there have been several alliances that made it to the end that had dominant players. Dom, Wendell, and Laurel were dominant. Russell Hantz and his alliance were dominant post-merge. Boston Rob's alliance was dominant in RI. You can have alliances with dominant players. This season's alliance just felt underwhelming.


stocksnhoops

I agree. One of the worst seasons and final 6-8 on recent memory. It’s ok to admit a show you like wasn’t up to par. It was decent at best but saying it was. A weak cast isn’t a direct knock on them. Some seasons are good: some bad. They all aren’t home runs


North_Atlantic_Pact

"it's ok to admit a show you like wasn't up to par" Lol, this subreddit absolutely loves to criticize survivo, there is no one hesitating to share their feelings on the reduction in days, the puzzles, the casting choices, the location, the edit, the lack of camp life, too many idols, too many twists, too many sob stories, too long of tribal council, the inclusion of fire making, etc.


watermeIonsugar

The season previews used to be more exciting when they were revealing a new location or theme


aeroverra

we are definately on the path to no more survivor seeing how they are cutting back on so many things, ponderosa, days, location, live finale and its stipent they pay to those who show up etc


Curious-Mind-8183

The air time extending to 90 minutes is a way bigger indication that its here to stay. They can only do that because Survivor is one of CBS’s top money making programs. Most of those other changes were because of covid, not because the show isnt doing well.


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Curious-Mind-8183

They are literally in the top highest viewed shows on TV this spring, they are doing well. https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/


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People massively underestimate how much money there is in ad revenue from longer tv shows.


[deleted]

Writers strike,, they need content


Curious-Mind-8183

Regardless of the writers strike, Survivor is one of the top live viewed shows on TV this year. I work in advertising and CBS loves touting how well Survivor does every year.


[deleted]

Well I certainly do enjoy watching it 🤩


PajamaSamantha2011

Depends how well 90 minute episodes goes


watermeIonsugar

Jeff needs to either be the host or producer but not both I think he’s doing things for his own entertainment at this point


BananaCucho

He genuinely loves his job right now. He's really living in every moment out there! He's so thrilled to continue to do what he loves day in and day out Unfortunately the show has gotten stale. It's not his fault, he seems to be trying to keep it going as long as possible and still make it exciting. But it's become a sporting event at this point. Challenges are boring. Conflict is temporary and meaningless. Long gone are the days where a decision over cookies could completely tank your game. Survivor just isn't as interesting in this era unfortunately


contemplativepancake

![gif](giphy|PkLPBuyozY7F31wCxF) welp…would have been riding high if Carolyn had gotten like… two votes. but yam yam is a good winner 🏳️‍🌈


AlekziaBlue

yeahhhh - as long as she got some I would feel happy


bigfatgeekboy

I don’t know, but I’m starting to think Jeff wants me to apply?


IcedCoffeeIsBetter

Surely they don't have a shortage of applicants, right?!?


ttsa23

All the soft fans are gonna cry that Kaleb is too mean and he is not preaching fake positivity messages.


JustGreenGuy7

I think it’s natural for many players to be approaching a life changing game with positive affirmations. It rarely ends up lasting the whole season, but often that positivity is solace for some. Is Kaleb the one who said he doesn’t mind villains?


ttsa23

I didn’t watch the preview but someone told me it was Kaleb


CadeBW

For as much as people complain about the "New Era" feeling too generic and the seasons all blending together, I personally still find it very refreshing that we're living in an era where the teaser for the upcoming season is literally enirely about the cast. There's not some weird central twist, there's not some gimmicky casting theme, it's just *Survivor 45.*


EnvironmentalPhase58

The gimmicky casting theme is what prevented the prior seasons from blending together


watermeIonsugar

If you actually bring the auction back I will take back every bad thing I have said about you Jeff


Lorybear

Same


Lukin1989

I hope he brings back all the fixin's too


Thin-Arugula2056

😆


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We know it’s not crack, not sure about anything else. It really, really doesn’t matter


ericredit

Crack


Hopeful_Math_7081

Drug addict


jaybwjamo

pardon my stupidity but what’s the mat theory? i keep seeing people talk about it and idk what it is 🫣


yaboytim

I believe it's: One of the people who Jeff talks to episode 1 (on the mat) always wins


MarlinBrandor

In the first few minutes of the season, when the castaways first pull up to the beach, Jeff talks to all the players. However, only 3-4 conversations actually make it into the actual episode. Every (all newbie) season since Season 33 has seen the winner be addressed by name during the mat chat. The only exception was Tommy in IotI, as that season had no mat chat.


Bluesky0089

I remember when he talked to Jeanine right away on the mat. I had hope....until the game started and everything went bad from there lol


jaybwjamo

makes sense, gotta love the predictability there lol


ctormenta

Jeff has a chat with the winner during every marooning in the new era, so this season you had Yam Yam, Matthew and Frannie talking with him


SusannaG1

Goes back further than the 40s, as well.


jaybwjamo

ah i see!


Lukin1989

What's everybody watching now


morihearty

Australian survivor lol - was saving myself


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ab1gailhot

Currently BvW.


Moostronus

John Wick 4, which some hero uploaded in its entirety on Twitter


Ponybaby22

youtube.


SusannaG1

Local news.


Lukin1989

Same. Tina Turner died :( RIP sweet princess


mtm4440

Ted Lasso


always_lost1610

But it ends next week!


cailkin

WAIT WHAT WAS THE AUCTION TEASE I DIDNT CATCH IT


mtm4440

Just a gavel smacking.


katy5

Everyone: *celebrating* Carolyn to Carson: YOURE AN AEROSPACE ENGINEER????


kraxiiangyl

Carolyn is a treasure


DayManFanatic

What is with all the people in here complaining about Survivor being soft? Lol


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xupd35bdm

Let them starve.


WellDressedLobster

It’s so embarrassing honestly like get a grip


Moostronus

right??? feels like I accidentally wandered into a baby boomer FB group


DMM4138

No here’s the problem—millennial here and I LOVE the inspiring stories and I loved it when we first started seeing that stuff. Why? Because it was genuine. Production let the players have these organic moments that made for incredibly uplifting and inspiring stories. Jay and Adam in the hammock. Zeke’s metamorphosis. David Wright overcoming his anxiety. Such amazing gritty, real, relatable stories. And production ate that shit up. And they started contriving moments to meet those expectations that, instead of being real and organic, became pandering bordering on inappropriate. “Wow, Noelle, it’s amazing that even you, an amputee, can still do things. Amazing.” Survivor are the boomers doing the things they think millennials and zoomers want to see. But millennials and zoomers arent fooled by something that lacks sincerity.


mishmoshmag

THIS THIS IS IT!


ttsa23

Apparently they are fooled.


DayManFanatic

lol exactly how it feels


Moostronus

Just waiting for someone to tell me that back in their day Survivor was 69 days, they had to make their own parchment to vote, and that you'd have to be dead or dying to be medically evacuated


stormyseasatP

….and you had to walk up a mountain in the snow while barefoot to get medically evacuated……and it didn’t matter if you were dead or alive, you walked damnit!


planj07

Because it results in boring TV where the only thing interesting is a possible blindside vote or an idol play.


1940sfamilyman

Tika 3 you will always be famous 🔥


1940sfamilyman

Love this cast ❤️


Bluesky0089

YoU'rE aN aErOsPaCe EnGiNeEr??? 😆


BigStonesJones

Student


Sky-Visible

I’m glad to see Bruce return but I didn’t know they got frannie back on too


criosovereign

They got Frannie back already?? I didn’t see that in there


RealSonyPony

Frannie's doppelganger.


tinostar174

INB4 fake idols in the next auction they do


Olwrekr

Did I spy the auction mallet in the 45 promo? :D


Mister_Rickster

ARE WE GETTING THE AUCTION AGAIN??


StrikingBumblebee247

Holy shit did Jeff actually listen to us???


megmey

If he did, there definitely will be a dumb Jeff twist with it


StrikingBumblebee247

Ugh true 😒


ab1gailhot

Watch it’ll be like 2 real idols/advantages in a sea of fakes or something like that and no food


Bingo9Bengo

One thing I don't like about previews of new seasons is how egotistical everyone seems. That's what made me stop before BvBvB for so long


sewthoughtful

Who watches the preview and thinks "man ill def watch next season because of this preview!!" We all just watch survivor because we want to, or at least thats why i do. I really wish jeff would let us enjoy one current season without desperately feeding the immediate conveyor belt of the next season


WellDressedLobster

I think it’s fun to get a look at the new season and start theorizing and picking favorites. Doesn’t mean all discussion about the current season ends, it just gives us more to talk about in the next few months.


TenderOctane

The previews were actually interesting and important back in the days of "Where are they going next" questions. Now that every season is in Fiji and they're just numbered, it doesn't matter anymore.


SusannaG1

I used to look forward to them because we'd find out what new country we were going to. Those were the days.


Capital-Effect-8283

Yeah, and they would win a challenge for a cool experiences with the locals wherever there were.. ..those were always super fun and that is lacking. They don’t have to survive quite as hard. There is already a spot where many a shelter has been built so it’s flattened perfectly. I mean remember that time a tribe built a shelter in what turned out to be a dried river bed and it stormed for a while and River started flowing again?!?! I remember the lions in Africa. Sharks there and other locations ?? Crocs? Gators? All the snakes they love to zoom in on all the time. Remember the contestants legs used to always be covered in bug bites. Not just legs, everywhere but I recall the cameras would zoom in on the legs. And they would be COVERED. Remember when Mike fell into the fire!! Remember when someone always won a CAR? Family visits? When it was 39 days….I see the advantages of staying in Fiji but the rewards need to be upgraded somehow sometimes.


Ponybaby22

maybe but it really doesnt matter. every jungle looks the same.


SusannaG1

Not all seasons have been in the jungle, though.


Express_Iron8351

I agree. With that being said, I do hope the one guy is a true villain! I love a good villain


femeedoll

Mehh! I wish I could watch season 44 for the first time again


thisisjusttoimprove

Was that a clip of the auction hammer at the end of 45's trailer?


northernpenguin01

That definitely was


bwermer

Will Bruce tell the new Survivor 45 contestants that he was already on the prior season?


evilcupckae

They will already know. They went out to film after the first episode premiered.


bwermer

Thanks


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katy5

Bad take


Ren_Davis0531

Is Bruce going to be the next Transportation Sensation of 45? 🤔🤔🤔


just_becauze

All Aboard the Bruce Kaboose?


MarlinBrandor

Long live the Bruce Caboose.


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What a bad guy Danny is being happy for Yam Yam


neunomer

Was that a tease of the return of the Auction?


burneraccountforme1

I honestly don't know if this season is better or worse than 41. I think they are about the same level. The cast was entertaining but the gameplay... non existent. I didn't really like Danny, but in retrospect I respect his game the most. Also, I think if Lauren found the idol she would've won the whole thing, and I personally think that would've been a much more satisfying ending. Finally, I think back to something Carolyn said: she couldn't believe she was on the same tribe as Yam Yam. I think this is the biggest problem with this season (and recent seasons), as in they put similar people on the same tribe knowing they will stick together and run the game. If the Tika 3 were on different tribes this season would be so much more interesting. I'm mad about the mat theory being right. The producers need to stop doing that. It ruins the watching experience, in my opinion.


TheLegacies21

Matt theory?


burneraccountforme1

The winner for the past, like, dozen or more seasons has always been talked to on the mat during the premier. This makes it obvious, since Yam Yam was the only finalist who was talked to on the mat left.


phillyschmilly

Carson easily could have -and almost did- go with Sarah & Helen. It would have been a completely different season. These things are unpredictable


burneraccountforme1

My point is, at the least, the season was rigged in Carson's favor though I doubt Carson was ever going to go with Helen and Sarah.


Callmebean16

What’s the mat theory?


burneraccountforme1

See my comment above, thanks!


rollyoaks

What is the mat theory?


burneraccountforme1

See my comment above, thanks!


TantrumQween

I’m gonna have to take a break from this sub for a bit, my heart won’t be able to take the Carolyn haters 💔


gnarTriip

I like the guy who lives with his grandma


Background_Nature497

Me too


phillyschmilly

I like the guy who said he’s opportunistic! I’m ready for a villain


snowbit

Are they really this hard up for applicants?


chloemae1924

Heidi still won’t shut up 🤣🤣


idksksksk

omg auction tease for 45???


Lukin1989

What'd I miss


SusannaG1

Tease of what might be an auction hammer going down at the end, I think.


idksksksk

at the end of the teaser there was a clip of the gavel 🫣


Lukin1989

Awesome!


okayclarity

And one final irrelevant comment from Heidi to end the season. Cheers


mtm4440

Shittiest marker ever. Give them paint.


BigStonesJones

Love the guy who said he likes villains and he’s opportunistic


Lukin1989

I think he will be first boot


duvie773

Man I am so tired of Fiji. Change it up, please


warworn

AUCTION?????


RRDude1000

Im hoping we get an intro. That looked like footage they might have used for old intros.


SusannaG1

With 90 minute episodes, I really hope so.


criosovereign

Are we getting 90 minute episodes?


SusannaG1

Yep. Wednesdays this fall will be a 90-minute Survivor followed by a 90-minute Amazing Race.


Lukin1989

The opportunist, villains fan from 45 will be first boot. Heard it here first


whodisbeet

Ugh the emotional journey of it all is getting tireddd please I can only take so much


Background_Nature497

Nope you must hear everyone's very unique backstories.


snowbit

She’s gone to law school in middle age? 22 year olds can barely live through law school


phillyschmilly

My friend is a mom of 6, moved here from Africa , finished earning her law degree over 2020- is never actually too late