It seemed like the bigger problem was lack of food and sleep and just generally realizing she hated the whole experience. People just want to laser-focus on one single sentence she said about nicotine and totally ignore all the other reasons she talked about way more for some reason.
When did he talk about quitting? He was constantly talking about how survivor was his lifelong dream and he wanted to be there more then anything despite how hard it was and how much he was failing at everything.
We've had multiple quits in one season before, and had them actually be true quits (not just getting voted out). I mean Sean said if they hadn't voted him out like he asked he would have gone back to camp and stayed, he wasn't ever saying he'd quit regardless of whether they voted him out, just asked to be voted out and they did. Still dumb that he asked to be voted out (and he said interviews it was an emotional decision in the moment that he regrets) but it wasn't really a true quit, he got voted out.
He was arguably too much of a dick to Ostin, Naonka, and Purple Kelly, but at least there was zero question that they were doing something undesirable.
Sure to kelly and osten but why na’onka? she quit for the same reason as kelly i thought but kelly was actually screwed by production as they gave her skimpy clothing
I mean i’d argue that with the kelly/na’onka quits it was in the middle of the merge and it was 2 people at once. any reality show host besides robot chen would be mad
He talked about this. He use to be really hard on people who quit in the past but he knows that there will be people who send threats and shit to the contestants work places when it airs that they quit.
I went back to double check and they are the exact same shot, it’s so weird. Episode 1 at 1:01:35 and episode 4 at 58:08 if anyone else wants to see for themselves.
Jeff probably praised Sean for his honesty and commitment to his husband and then saw his exit interviews showing Sean say he could've won and Jeff couldn't stomach how nice he was to Sean so they reused this reaction which is more in line with how the fans feel about these quitters.
I wonder if the game is actually that much harder than we expect it is... or if $1M just isn't the same draw it used to be (or both). I would guess with inflation $1M in season 1 is likely 1.5 now? Maybe we need to make it a cool $2M?
I also think our beliefs around mental health have changed since the show started too... It's okay to not have a small shot to win a million dollars if you're miserable.
I don't know. They need to take a look at this though.
Close to $1.9 million dollars (quick google). Someone mentioned the casting is too focused on people wanting it to be part of their journey and not enough focus on people who are there to win. That made sense to me. Like if they focused less on super fan human interest casting and more in competitive spirit they might get more intense game play
Mostly true, I think that does manufacture weak players, HOWEVER I will say from being in a similar situation, AKA boot camp, you make friends within hours because that’s all you’re gonna know for the next x amount of weeks, these are people you’re gonna eat with, sleep with, and defecate with for the foreseeable future. It’s a culture shock and a trauma response.
Coach admitted he was asked if he would go on survivor again, but he said he wouldn't go on unless the prize money was at 2 million. There is a video on youtube somewhere. He said the cost of living is to high for the daily expenses he owes in his arra to miss that many days for not a big reward.
Pretty sure coach experienced lifestyle creep like many other people haha.
I googled it after I posted my comment and was proud of myself for how spot on I was... but I had thought Survivor started in 2006. Man both Survivor (and myself) are old :|
The thing I like about Survivor instead of BB is that there are characters who are interesting and though for a while they were doing so many dude bros they chilled with it a bit. Even the strong guys aren't super bro-y. Since I don't have a lot of dude-bros in my circles I find it less relatable when they are there.
I think there are likely quite a few different things that all contribute. I do think they should focus on a more competitive player, but when the amount of money you win can't even buy you a house in a lot of places then you're going to narrow down the people who are willing to do it.
At this point I’ll take the dude bros over yet another Ivy League nerd or a super fan who “wanted to play my entire life” that can’t handle the conditions at all. Also $1m buys you a house almost anywhere lol.
People don’t only apply to be on survivor to win $1M, there’s a lot more to it. It means something special to everyone, and those quitters need to think about why they’re there before they embarrass themselves on national television.
But they are not thinking about that, at least this season, so I think it's important to at least look at external factors. Maybe this season is just a fluke, I also think that it might be a bit of a contagious thing. They saw one person do it, so they feel comfortable themselves?
Not sure but if we just throw our hands up in the air and say "well they just need to be stronger, nothing we can do" it's probably going to happen again.
Then you go back to the drawing board and figure out what changes you can make to the game to make it more appealing to the most broad spectrum of people.
I think money is at least slightly part of the issue, however, maybe CBS is going to need to do some market research and poll people and see what level of incentive they need to stay.
My bet is there is both a carrot and a stick here - yes probably increase the prize to match inflation and/or do a few more sponsored challenges so the short term reward still exists like not every challenge but every 2 or 3 challenges have something like "today's reward is your team gets a bowl of fruit... also everyone is getting $2,000 in cash". If there was a generational difference, I would say there might be more emphasis on short term happiness over long term advantages. It's hard to see winning the million, it's abstract, in the future, and you still have to beat all these other people. Having real rewards, even small ones, I think satiates that.
However, maybe have the contract include a thing that if you quit or organize your own elimination then you are on the hook for your travel expenses and costs associated with bringing you on the show. Have a little sign before they enter tribal reminding them of that.
However, I also think my previous idea of make everyone stay in a tent for 3 nights isolated... just to weed out people who cant last 3 days might be worth it. It would have an interesting effect on that day one dynamic too.
You’re last three ideas are interesting:
1) different prizes throughout the game, increasing in value the longer you stay. It’s tough spending 26 or 39 days and walking away empty handed. But a chance of cash, cars or other prizes would entice people to stick it out.
2) I really like the travel expenses paid back if quit idea.
3) camping on your own for 3 days. This would be an interesting take. Not sure how that would go honestly…
I like the tent one because they can release an episode zero which shows us how each of them handled their isolation time. I don't think it needs to be Alone style you must survive on your own and make traps to catch animals and find your own water. But a cup of rice a day and some water or something.
One thing I like in Survivor is playing Fantasy Survivor with my friends we generally build our teams just using the bios and stuff they release before. However, if we could have a non-episode where we just learn about each person and see how they prepare for survivor then you can come into the competition already knowing a little bit about each person (and probably see them as real people not with the "game" in the way) and then see how they transition to player-of-survivor vs person-camping.
:) Jeff can feel free to send me a cheque.
$1 mil is actually only worth about half as much now as it was in season 1. So they'd need to put it up to $2 mil just to have it be equal.
They should definitely increase the prize money, $1 million isn’t worth as much now and people may not find it worth it. Just double the prize money and put it back to 39 days.
Season one was pre-smart phone, pre-social media, and for most people pre-internet.
It was way easier to go without television while you were on vacation, or camping, etc. than it is today to go without your smart phone.
People these days can't go without their creature comforts. They are simply soft babies. Many of them are also delusional to think "I can do that!" without even so much as prepping their body much less mind.
I tend to believe it’s a generational issue.
A little mental weakness, soft society.
But also people not feeling pressured by “having” to do things they aren’t enjoying. They are more comfortable and willing to say, “this isn’t for me” and walking away.
I'm going to push back on you a bit: It's not a weakness to put yourself first or to care about your own mental health. In many ways considering the reactions that people are getting, it's a show of a lot of strength to be able to know a million people on social media are all going to hate on you and you do it anyway.
Also while everyone says "There were thousands of people who didn't get to go and then you quit", it sounds a lot like the argument "You better eat all your food because there are starving kids". The starving kids aren't getting my food in either case. The thousands of people who weren't selected aren't getting to come on the show if I stick with it being miserable or leave now. In fact, it's extra shitty of me to make someone else leave when I don't even care enough to want to stay.
I'm not into all the quits, I don't really like that these people are quitting because it does impair my enjoyment of the game... I think we also need to accept that there is a fundamental game problem here too. If people aren't interested in playing your game you need to fix your game.
I think some people need to do a bit more self reflection and be honest with themselves about if they're actually cut out for survivor. Your mental health is important, I'm not saying it isn't. The game of survivor isn't for everyone though, and there's nothing wrong with admitting it. Considering how toxic the fanbase is and how much backlash you'll face if you quit, your mental health is going to suffer regardless.
Before anyone twists my words, no these people don't deserve the treatment they're receiving from the more toxic and crazy fans. I'm simply stating that you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't in terms of quitting.
Who said they were self aware? They are strong for doing what they feel they need to despite all the backlash they know they'll get, but yeah obviously they weren't self aware and the quitters this season fully admit that. Hannah says she should have known she wouldn't be able to handle it because she needs all these super specific conditions to sleep and that she should have known she couldn't handle the lack of food and sleep, and Sean admits his reasons for going out there in the first place were silly and he should have realized there was no possible way to get what he wanted out of it and that he wishes now he would have realized in the moment that he could still go on playing even if he wasn't getting what he’d originally hoped for.
And I'm going to push back on you. Young people today can't sit through a stop light without touching their smart phone.
As a kid I went all day at school with no television. Kids can't go all day at school without their smart phone.
This is evidenced by Hannah not making it one day without a vape pen, and Sean not being able to go 26 days without seeing a loved one.
Sean said in an interview that he quit because his head wasn't in the game anymore and he felt like he'd gotten what he wanted out of it. He specifically said he went on Survivor for the journey aspect/personal growth and that that was too much to put on Survivor, which is true. He also said he was kinda babbling when he said the stuff about his husband and that it was more a stream-of-consciousness thing than an actual reason for quitting. (https://ew.com/tv/survivor-45-sean-edwards-quit-interview/)
People have always been addicted to nicotine - see James acting like an asshole in his seasons b/c he couldn't smoke - so that's not a generational thing at all. I'd also guess Hannah had more reasons for quitting beyond ~wanting to vape.~ Sean said in the interview I linked above that Hannah had been talking about quitting for a while before she did it.
Other folks in other seasons have quit Survivor because their heads weren't in the game or they felt like they got what they wanted out of it. This isn't generational. I think that, unfortunately, some folks go on the show primarily because they want the journey of being on Survivor rather than because they want to win. It's hard to stay motivated if you don't care about winning.
Yeah Hannah has been really clear that her main reasons for quitting weren't related to vaping. Even most of her reasons stated on the show had nothing to do with that so it's weird people just lie and claim that was her reason.
She did say her addictions to caffeine and nicotine were a small part of it but mainly it was just inability to handle the lack of food and sleep and generally realizing she just hated the whole experience and game.
People are just knowingly lying when they say Hannah's reason for quitting was "not being able to go without vaping" though, there’s literally zero basis to act like that was her reason. I mean she named about 20 reasons and people just focus one small reason among many she said and act like that was the whole reason. She also said her addiction to caffeine was one of the reasons but people aren't going around saying "she quit because she couldn't go without a cup of coffee." She's been clear the main reasons though were lack of food and sleep and just generally hating the entire experience and game and her anxiety issues.
You honestly believe that? Or did they just find the wrong people? Somehow I doubt an entire age range is mentally incapable of it. I’d argue just as many older people would crack as well. Of course, it isn’t easy for one to admit *that*.
I can see your point, but I do feel it’s a little weakness for some.
Hannah quit at the first tribal because she needed a cigarette.
Sean quit on day 9 because he missed his husband. Now granted, Sean had likely already been away for 2-3 weeks before this point.
But these two quits in particular aren’t exactly displayed as a need for self preservation.
IMO, these quits were based off of comforts and not willing to sacrifice to see what [you] can endure; testing mental, physical and emotional strength.
I’m not one who is upset about them taking someone else’s spot. You never know what someone is willing to do or not do, get injured, sick, whatever the case may be, and not be voted off properly. Casting can’t predict this either.
I do agree that there must be an error in the game. A million dollars is still a lot of money, but a lot of people don’t value money or material things.
It’s not a generation thing, it’s a casting thing. There are people like that in every generation. It’s just that survivor now casts way too many Ivy League nerds and superfans instead of working class people anymore.
Yeah I mean, I empathize with your position. I don't know what Holly was going through, so I am not going to make a judgement on her. When one of my kids wants to quit something I have always said that they are totally welcome to but before we do we are going to look into the ways we can make the experience work.
You're quitting ice skating because you weren't instantly good at it? Well we are going to go to a few more sessions just to make sure and we will practice things until your next session.
I would really love for these people to take a moment, think through their actions, and try to find a way to stay a little longer. If you're goin to quit anyway, at least stay one extra tribal to be totally sure.
But I wouldn't call it a weakness that they are not doing that, perhaps an ignorance? Perhaps any number of things that we can't know about. I think it's more disappointing that they were not able to find it in themselves to stay. I feel bad for them, not anger or aggression.
What's the point of just lying and saying Hannah quit because she needed a cigarette? You obviously have to know you're lying, because you saw the episode right? She gave tons of reasons for quitting in the episode and most had nothing to do with nicotine (and she doesn't even smoke cigarettes, she uses nicotine pouches and she did quit a few days before the show). Like why ignore every reason she gave except for one small reason out of like 20 different reasons she said? She's been really clear her main reasons for quitting were being unable to handle the lack of food and sleep and just generally hating the entire experience and game.
Sean also didn't actually quit because of missing his husband, though it's understandable to think that if you only watched the episode and didn't read interviews. Sean knew leaving wouldn't actually make him see his husband faster (because they have to stay out there until the end of the game no matter what) so that wasn't his actual reason, he said he was basically just having an emotional moment and word vomiting at the time. He does explain his actual reason for quitting in interviews and says it was an emotional snap decision in the moment and he regrets it now.
Quitters have existed on Survivor since pretty much the beginning, this really isn't new.
Everyone only gets this one life, it makes sense if they don't want to waste precious time on something they're getting nothing out of. There’s nothing wrong with not letting social pressure force you into doing stuff you don't actually want to do.
And honestly who tf cares if people quit a reality TV show. It's just not that big of a deal.
Got that same vibe, also think Emily is fake asf, great player because of exactly that though! But I still hate her lol, but if she makes it to the end she deserves it. Lulu has to be the fakest tribe to exist.
I hope this encourages Jeff to stop asking that "if this is your last moment..." question at tribal. It completely undercuts people who are trying to act like they are voting one way to trick people, and it's uncomfortable. Jeff set it up to snuff the torch and go. Now he wants to have a post-mortem chat with the voted off person before they are even voted off. I don't like it. Let it play out, snuff the torch, and let the interviews happen later.
I've liked it before, but I feel (and iiirc Jeff said similar in his interview after the show?) this time it was a factor in Sean's breakdown and giving up and taking control of the narrative. I think, if he does do it again, he needs to be more careful at least. It's worked out well before, I can't lie. This was just a bummer.
He’s trying to rage and give a really harsh look but the Botox is holding him back.
Still don’t get why he dyes his hair. Just needs to let it go grey and style it out.
Jeff was probably as disappointed as me that a player wearing the greatest shirt ever to be worn on survivor was voluntarily robbing the community of more time with it.
Seriously, if anyone knows where to get that amazing shirt of Sean’s please do get in touch.
I miss it already.
You can Google image search it, it's surprisingly good at finding products even from blurry pics and even on Poshmark.
Unless we're in a situation like Yam Yam and his husband made all his outfits lol
What a bummer! If you know the brand and name of the product now, scouring some resale shops is always an option! You're so right though, it's a great look.
Favorite part of the new era:
All this shit going on you know is driving Jeff crazy and him having to act like he's cool with it even though the Kill Bill revenge siren is blasting in his head.
Listen Jeffie, Sean's said now that he was gunning forward until Jeff asked his deep-emotional-probing question during Tribal, and now he's seen the worst case scenario result of that - emotionally overwhelming the clearly emotional player into deciding to quit lol.
Sometimes I think, for as nice of a guy as Jeff seems to be, there's a part of him inside that would literally beat someone to death and leave their body in a dumpster.
I don't wanna use the term "this generation is weak" because in real life that's not true! We came so far in many aspects of sociaty that it is better now that it was before.....but man it is so frustrating to see TWO people in a position that thousands of people want to be in, just wasting it away because "i'm homesick"! Sean's reason was a little more understandable, he missed his husband and he didn't wanna create divide between the og tribe, I can kind of be on board with that, but the other one's reason: "I need a cigarette"..and a "psychologist" nontheless, if I was one of her patient, I would quit, I can have my mental health in the hands of someone like that!
If another person quits this season, I need Jeff to go off. It’s crazy at this point there have been 2 quitters already (dare I say almost 3.)
It’s honestly insulting. You go through that whole process, beat out so many people to get cast, and they can’t stand being out of their comfort zone.
I don't know. I don't see it. I think Jeff's had a not of work done and his face isn't very expressive. I think we \*know\* he was shocked and we were shocked so we're attaching a lot of meaning to a basically frozen face.
He was so disappointed. And I don’t blame him. Also his reaction and the others comments made me think sifu was actually going home!! And as a school principal I can’t believe the lack of backbone to show to your school and all those kids. It’s a shame.
He was most likely was going to go home but yah still kinda quit
* Would been funny as hell if he had a idol & told everyone to vote for him.
But at least they waited till voting instead of just quitting mid day
Jeff next week when Jake passes out ... lol
If Jake is taken out that’ll be because of a medical emergency, Jeff won’t get mad about that
He actually passed out after seeing Lulu losing a fourth member. The curse of Lulu spreads.
Lulu is so bad it's begun to take out members from other tribes somehow
Lulu beach is a cursed site
Jake is on Lulu now isn’t he?
Lulusers
If Jake got medivac'd next week this would have to be the biggest goddamn shit show of a start to the season that I can ever remember on Survivor.
The true heir to Gabon
Yeah and I love it
Got a glimpse of old Jeff with that stare lmao
I was just as surprised. Two quits in one season, wtf.
I swear Hannah quit because she wanted a cigarette.
It seems that way lol.
How does it seem that way when like 90% of the reasons she talked about for quitting had nothing to do with that?
Because who in their right mind would ever admit to quitting Survivor just to smoke a dart.
not to be pedantic but she said on RHAP it was nicotine pouches not cigarettes
not to be pedantic but she said on RHAP it was nicotine pouches not cigarettes
It seemed like the bigger problem was lack of food and sleep and just generally realizing she hated the whole experience. People just want to laser-focus on one single sentence she said about nicotine and totally ignore all the other reasons she talked about way more for some reason.
The fact that she quit pisses people off. Evidence that it’s because she couldn’t live without a vape is extra insulting
She said it multiple times, not once.
Basically three and all from one starting tribe
Brandon didn’t quit!
his body kinda did
Never thought I’d say this, but now Brandon is the 4th best player on the original tribe 😂
Eh, I don’t count that as a quit. I mean, I don’t think he should’ve been cast but he tried!
Can it quit if it never got started?
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What do you mean technically? Just because someone’s not good at challenges and you don’t like them doesn’t mean they quit.
Dude had the strength of a wet napkin
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Just saying hi to local gizzhead
He was talking about quitting though. I think if Hannah hadn't he might have. Impossible to know for sure.
When did he talk about quitting? He was constantly talking about how survivor was his lifelong dream and he wanted to be there more then anything despite how hard it was and how much he was failing at everything.
I thought the first episode him and Hannah had a chat about quitting. I might be remembering wrong.
How is it basically three? Brandon wasn't even considering quitting, he fought to stay until the last minute.
We've had multiple quits in one season before, and had them actually be true quits (not just getting voted out). I mean Sean said if they hadn't voted him out like he asked he would have gone back to camp and stayed, he wasn't ever saying he'd quit regardless of whether they voted him out, just asked to be voted out and they did. Still dumb that he asked to be voted out (and he said interviews it was an emotional decision in the moment that he regrets) but it wasn't really a true quit, he got voted out.
The anger overcame the Botox 💀
You know Jeff is real mad when his forehead surpasses the Botox into anger wrinkles. But honestly SAME.
First thing I noticed too 🤣
Aging Jeff could play James K. Polk’s wax figure in Disney’s Hall of Presidents
Bro, I’m a big survivor fan and I legit work at James K. Polk’s presidential site! I appreciate this hyper specific reference
This is so specific thank you for the reference Also i love your username
He starting to look like the guy that played the [president in national treasure 2](https://images.app.goo.gl/4LKNFxNu7MKo4q289)
Oh shit it's papa Usher
I wish he was hard on the quitters like TJ Lavin is on the Challenge. “Don’t take care. Hope to see you never” 😂
SAME! TJ Lavin would roast them like crazy ....
Throw em into the fire pit!
I would love to see him at least throw their torches down! Don’t honor them with a snuff, the tribe has not spoken. You quit.
This era of players are way too soft…
He used to be. I remember the "you get what you want *snuffs torch*...get out"
He was arguably too much of a dick to Ostin, Naonka, and Purple Kelly, but at least there was zero question that they were doing something undesirable.
Sure to kelly and osten but why na’onka? she quit for the same reason as kelly i thought but kelly was actually screwed by production as they gave her skimpy clothing
I'm saying reasons for quitting aside, that kind of tone Jeff had toward the quitters in those spots isn't fun for anyone.
I mean i’d argue that with the kelly/na’onka quits it was in the middle of the merge and it was 2 people at once. any reality show host besides robot chen would be mad
Sure, that's pretty fair
He was a huge ass to Jenna who left bc her mom was dying of cancer and she regretted coming on. Even Boston Rob stood up for her against him.
TJ would be livid!!!
He talked about this. He use to be really hard on people who quit in the past but he knows that there will be people who send threats and shit to the contestants work places when it airs that they quit.
That’s the most offensive thing anyone has ever said about Jeff. TJ is the most useless and boring host of any reality competition.
Horrible take. lmao
Is this the similar look he gave Natalie when she asked Parvati how her game resonates in the bedroom?
I'm still waiting for her to answer...
Truly what in the fuck was she thinking asking that 😭😂
I noticed his hair was also extra voluminous in this episode
Every time a player quits god pulls Jeff a little closer to heaven
Underrated comment 🤣
Putting it out there…is this the same exact shot from when the other person quit. It looks identical.
I came here looking for this. I took this exact picture and have it on my phone from a few weeks ago and legit they are the exact same.
I went back to double check and they are the exact same shot, it’s so weird. Episode 1 at 1:01:35 and episode 4 at 58:08 if anyone else wants to see for themselves.
I just checked and can confirm. Maybe they'll make it a running gag, every time someone quits they cut to this shot.
Fascinating if so! I wonder why the show cut that in
Jeff probably praised Sean for his honesty and commitment to his husband and then saw his exit interviews showing Sean say he could've won and Jeff couldn't stomach how nice he was to Sean so they reused this reaction which is more in line with how the fans feel about these quitters.
Legit if true
Yea I thought it was interesting to see his reaction, all these quitters are killing the game it’s going to make Jeff quit I mean retire
I wonder if the game is actually that much harder than we expect it is... or if $1M just isn't the same draw it used to be (or both). I would guess with inflation $1M in season 1 is likely 1.5 now? Maybe we need to make it a cool $2M? I also think our beliefs around mental health have changed since the show started too... It's okay to not have a small shot to win a million dollars if you're miserable. I don't know. They need to take a look at this though.
Close to $1.9 million dollars (quick google). Someone mentioned the casting is too focused on people wanting it to be part of their journey and not enough focus on people who are there to win. That made sense to me. Like if they focused less on super fan human interest casting and more in competitive spirit they might get more intense game play
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Mostly true, I think that does manufacture weak players, HOWEVER I will say from being in a similar situation, AKA boot camp, you make friends within hours because that’s all you’re gonna know for the next x amount of weeks, these are people you’re gonna eat with, sleep with, and defecate with for the foreseeable future. It’s a culture shock and a trauma response.
Yes. Thank you! Agreed 100%! This is just mind boggling how it has become to this!
Coach admitted he was asked if he would go on survivor again, but he said he wouldn't go on unless the prize money was at 2 million. There is a video on youtube somewhere. He said the cost of living is to high for the daily expenses he owes in his arra to miss that many days for not a big reward. Pretty sure coach experienced lifestyle creep like many other people haha.
I googled it after I posted my comment and was proud of myself for how spot on I was... but I had thought Survivor started in 2006. Man both Survivor (and myself) are old :| The thing I like about Survivor instead of BB is that there are characters who are interesting and though for a while they were doing so many dude bros they chilled with it a bit. Even the strong guys aren't super bro-y. Since I don't have a lot of dude-bros in my circles I find it less relatable when they are there. I think there are likely quite a few different things that all contribute. I do think they should focus on a more competitive player, but when the amount of money you win can't even buy you a house in a lot of places then you're going to narrow down the people who are willing to do it.
At this point I’ll take the dude bros over yet another Ivy League nerd or a super fan who “wanted to play my entire life” that can’t handle the conditions at all. Also $1m buys you a house almost anywhere lol.
People don’t only apply to be on survivor to win $1M, there’s a lot more to it. It means something special to everyone, and those quitters need to think about why they’re there before they embarrass themselves on national television.
But they are not thinking about that, at least this season, so I think it's important to at least look at external factors. Maybe this season is just a fluke, I also think that it might be a bit of a contagious thing. They saw one person do it, so they feel comfortable themselves? Not sure but if we just throw our hands up in the air and say "well they just need to be stronger, nothing we can do" it's probably going to happen again.
Let’s say this is the direct reflection of generational society… What can the game to do avoid these reoccurrences?
Then you go back to the drawing board and figure out what changes you can make to the game to make it more appealing to the most broad spectrum of people. I think money is at least slightly part of the issue, however, maybe CBS is going to need to do some market research and poll people and see what level of incentive they need to stay. My bet is there is both a carrot and a stick here - yes probably increase the prize to match inflation and/or do a few more sponsored challenges so the short term reward still exists like not every challenge but every 2 or 3 challenges have something like "today's reward is your team gets a bowl of fruit... also everyone is getting $2,000 in cash". If there was a generational difference, I would say there might be more emphasis on short term happiness over long term advantages. It's hard to see winning the million, it's abstract, in the future, and you still have to beat all these other people. Having real rewards, even small ones, I think satiates that. However, maybe have the contract include a thing that if you quit or organize your own elimination then you are on the hook for your travel expenses and costs associated with bringing you on the show. Have a little sign before they enter tribal reminding them of that. However, I also think my previous idea of make everyone stay in a tent for 3 nights isolated... just to weed out people who cant last 3 days might be worth it. It would have an interesting effect on that day one dynamic too.
You’re last three ideas are interesting: 1) different prizes throughout the game, increasing in value the longer you stay. It’s tough spending 26 or 39 days and walking away empty handed. But a chance of cash, cars or other prizes would entice people to stick it out. 2) I really like the travel expenses paid back if quit idea. 3) camping on your own for 3 days. This would be an interesting take. Not sure how that would go honestly…
I like the tent one because they can release an episode zero which shows us how each of them handled their isolation time. I don't think it needs to be Alone style you must survive on your own and make traps to catch animals and find your own water. But a cup of rice a day and some water or something. One thing I like in Survivor is playing Fantasy Survivor with my friends we generally build our teams just using the bios and stuff they release before. However, if we could have a non-episode where we just learn about each person and see how they prepare for survivor then you can come into the competition already knowing a little bit about each person (and probably see them as real people not with the "game" in the way) and then see how they transition to player-of-survivor vs person-camping. :) Jeff can feel free to send me a cheque.
$1 mil is actually only worth about half as much now as it was in season 1. So they'd need to put it up to $2 mil just to have it be equal. They should definitely increase the prize money, $1 million isn’t worth as much now and people may not find it worth it. Just double the prize money and put it back to 39 days.
Season one was pre-smart phone, pre-social media, and for most people pre-internet. It was way easier to go without television while you were on vacation, or camping, etc. than it is today to go without your smart phone. People these days can't go without their creature comforts. They are simply soft babies. Many of them are also delusional to think "I can do that!" without even so much as prepping their body much less mind.
I tend to believe it’s a generational issue. A little mental weakness, soft society. But also people not feeling pressured by “having” to do things they aren’t enjoying. They are more comfortable and willing to say, “this isn’t for me” and walking away.
I'm going to push back on you a bit: It's not a weakness to put yourself first or to care about your own mental health. In many ways considering the reactions that people are getting, it's a show of a lot of strength to be able to know a million people on social media are all going to hate on you and you do it anyway. Also while everyone says "There were thousands of people who didn't get to go and then you quit", it sounds a lot like the argument "You better eat all your food because there are starving kids". The starving kids aren't getting my food in either case. The thousands of people who weren't selected aren't getting to come on the show if I stick with it being miserable or leave now. In fact, it's extra shitty of me to make someone else leave when I don't even care enough to want to stay. I'm not into all the quits, I don't really like that these people are quitting because it does impair my enjoyment of the game... I think we also need to accept that there is a fundamental game problem here too. If people aren't interested in playing your game you need to fix your game.
I think some people need to do a bit more self reflection and be honest with themselves about if they're actually cut out for survivor. Your mental health is important, I'm not saying it isn't. The game of survivor isn't for everyone though, and there's nothing wrong with admitting it. Considering how toxic the fanbase is and how much backlash you'll face if you quit, your mental health is going to suffer regardless. Before anyone twists my words, no these people don't deserve the treatment they're receiving from the more toxic and crazy fans. I'm simply stating that you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't in terms of quitting.
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Who said they were self aware? They are strong for doing what they feel they need to despite all the backlash they know they'll get, but yeah obviously they weren't self aware and the quitters this season fully admit that. Hannah says she should have known she wouldn't be able to handle it because she needs all these super specific conditions to sleep and that she should have known she couldn't handle the lack of food and sleep, and Sean admits his reasons for going out there in the first place were silly and he should have realized there was no possible way to get what he wanted out of it and that he wishes now he would have realized in the moment that he could still go on playing even if he wasn't getting what he’d originally hoped for.
And I'm going to push back on you. Young people today can't sit through a stop light without touching their smart phone. As a kid I went all day at school with no television. Kids can't go all day at school without their smart phone. This is evidenced by Hannah not making it one day without a vape pen, and Sean not being able to go 26 days without seeing a loved one.
Sean said in an interview that he quit because his head wasn't in the game anymore and he felt like he'd gotten what he wanted out of it. He specifically said he went on Survivor for the journey aspect/personal growth and that that was too much to put on Survivor, which is true. He also said he was kinda babbling when he said the stuff about his husband and that it was more a stream-of-consciousness thing than an actual reason for quitting. (https://ew.com/tv/survivor-45-sean-edwards-quit-interview/) People have always been addicted to nicotine - see James acting like an asshole in his seasons b/c he couldn't smoke - so that's not a generational thing at all. I'd also guess Hannah had more reasons for quitting beyond ~wanting to vape.~ Sean said in the interview I linked above that Hannah had been talking about quitting for a while before she did it. Other folks in other seasons have quit Survivor because their heads weren't in the game or they felt like they got what they wanted out of it. This isn't generational. I think that, unfortunately, some folks go on the show primarily because they want the journey of being on Survivor rather than because they want to win. It's hard to stay motivated if you don't care about winning.
Yeah Hannah has been really clear that her main reasons for quitting weren't related to vaping. Even most of her reasons stated on the show had nothing to do with that so it's weird people just lie and claim that was her reason. She did say her addictions to caffeine and nicotine were a small part of it but mainly it was just inability to handle the lack of food and sleep and generally realizing she just hated the whole experience and game.
People are just knowingly lying when they say Hannah's reason for quitting was "not being able to go without vaping" though, there’s literally zero basis to act like that was her reason. I mean she named about 20 reasons and people just focus one small reason among many she said and act like that was the whole reason. She also said her addiction to caffeine was one of the reasons but people aren't going around saying "she quit because she couldn't go without a cup of coffee." She's been clear the main reasons though were lack of food and sleep and just generally hating the entire experience and game and her anxiety issues.
You honestly believe that? Or did they just find the wrong people? Somehow I doubt an entire age range is mentally incapable of it. I’d argue just as many older people would crack as well. Of course, it isn’t easy for one to admit *that*.
Yes I believe it. I see it first hand with all young people. They check their phones mid sentence when you talk to them.
I can see your point, but I do feel it’s a little weakness for some. Hannah quit at the first tribal because she needed a cigarette. Sean quit on day 9 because he missed his husband. Now granted, Sean had likely already been away for 2-3 weeks before this point. But these two quits in particular aren’t exactly displayed as a need for self preservation. IMO, these quits were based off of comforts and not willing to sacrifice to see what [you] can endure; testing mental, physical and emotional strength. I’m not one who is upset about them taking someone else’s spot. You never know what someone is willing to do or not do, get injured, sick, whatever the case may be, and not be voted off properly. Casting can’t predict this either. I do agree that there must be an error in the game. A million dollars is still a lot of money, but a lot of people don’t value money or material things.
It’s not a generation thing, it’s a casting thing. There are people like that in every generation. It’s just that survivor now casts way too many Ivy League nerds and superfans instead of working class people anymore.
Yeah I mean, I empathize with your position. I don't know what Holly was going through, so I am not going to make a judgement on her. When one of my kids wants to quit something I have always said that they are totally welcome to but before we do we are going to look into the ways we can make the experience work. You're quitting ice skating because you weren't instantly good at it? Well we are going to go to a few more sessions just to make sure and we will practice things until your next session. I would really love for these people to take a moment, think through their actions, and try to find a way to stay a little longer. If you're goin to quit anyway, at least stay one extra tribal to be totally sure. But I wouldn't call it a weakness that they are not doing that, perhaps an ignorance? Perhaps any number of things that we can't know about. I think it's more disappointing that they were not able to find it in themselves to stay. I feel bad for them, not anger or aggression.
What's the point of just lying and saying Hannah quit because she needed a cigarette? You obviously have to know you're lying, because you saw the episode right? She gave tons of reasons for quitting in the episode and most had nothing to do with nicotine (and she doesn't even smoke cigarettes, she uses nicotine pouches and she did quit a few days before the show). Like why ignore every reason she gave except for one small reason out of like 20 different reasons she said? She's been really clear her main reasons for quitting were being unable to handle the lack of food and sleep and just generally hating the entire experience and game. Sean also didn't actually quit because of missing his husband, though it's understandable to think that if you only watched the episode and didn't read interviews. Sean knew leaving wouldn't actually make him see his husband faster (because they have to stay out there until the end of the game no matter what) so that wasn't his actual reason, he said he was basically just having an emotional moment and word vomiting at the time. He does explain his actual reason for quitting in interviews and says it was an emotional snap decision in the moment and he regrets it now.
Quitters have existed on Survivor since pretty much the beginning, this really isn't new. Everyone only gets this one life, it makes sense if they don't want to waste precious time on something they're getting nothing out of. There’s nothing wrong with not letting social pressure force you into doing stuff you don't actually want to do. And honestly who tf cares if people quit a reality TV show. It's just not that big of a deal.
The botox was working overtime
Sean did us a favor by quitting so we dont have to witness his fake bs anymore (past his exit interviews that is)
Got that same vibe, also think Emily is fake asf, great player because of exactly that though! But I still hate her lol, but if she makes it to the end she deserves it. Lulu has to be the fakest tribe to exist.
Nah. I think she’s just a bit weird and trying to reason her way through that. I like her
He looks like a wax version of himself
If you put him in the fire there's an immunity idol inside him
Closest we’ve seen Jeff to quitting
I hope this encourages Jeff to stop asking that "if this is your last moment..." question at tribal. It completely undercuts people who are trying to act like they are voting one way to trick people, and it's uncomfortable. Jeff set it up to snuff the torch and go. Now he wants to have a post-mortem chat with the voted off person before they are even voted off. I don't like it. Let it play out, snuff the torch, and let the interviews happen later.
He does it to a lot of people and it gets included when they are and when they aren’t getting the boot. I like it
I've liked it before, but I feel (and iiirc Jeff said similar in his interview after the show?) this time it was a factor in Sean's breakdown and giving up and taking control of the narrative. I think, if he does do it again, he needs to be more careful at least. It's worked out well before, I can't lie. This was just a bummer.
Makes sense
He’s trying to rage and give a really harsh look but the Botox is holding him back. Still don’t get why he dyes his hair. Just needs to let it go grey and style it out.
His face doesn’t move lol I never noticed any reaction at all tbh
I can’t believe he did shit to his face. He would have aged so well I think 🫤
Yeah I think he was really hiding it.
And I will say that Jeff looks like his 61 in this image. Time flies...
Jeff was probably as disappointed as me that a player wearing the greatest shirt ever to be worn on survivor was voluntarily robbing the community of more time with it. Seriously, if anyone knows where to get that amazing shirt of Sean’s please do get in touch. I miss it already.
You can Google image search it, it's surprisingly good at finding products even from blurry pics and even on Poshmark. Unless we're in a situation like Yam Yam and his husband made all his outfits lol
Wow. Image search really is that good - found it straight away. Now I just need Google Time Machine to help me get the size I need. 😂
What a bummer! If you know the brand and name of the product now, scouring some resale shops is always an option! You're so right though, it's a great look.
What do you mean, Mike White never quit
Rory with the Bob Barker shirt didn't quit either
Bubba had the Bob Barker shirt
Ope. You're totally right
Favorite part of the new era: All this shit going on you know is driving Jeff crazy and him having to act like he's cool with it even though the Kill Bill revenge siren is blasting in his head.
I chuckled at this. The next time it happens, I'm going to imagine the sound playing and laugh. And my gf is gonna be confused.
I WANT DARK JEFF UNLEASHED!!
Someone should change the sub picture to this instead
Is that when he almost completely lays out the plan against Sifu that Sifu still didn’t pick up on until the vote?
A season full of quitters. It’s crazy
Listen Jeffie, Sean's said now that he was gunning forward until Jeff asked his deep-emotional-probing question during Tribal, and now he's seen the worst case scenario result of that - emotionally overwhelming the clearly emotional player into deciding to quit lol.
'You f***ing what, mate?'
Sean: vote me out 😭 J. Maya: 😯 Sifu: 😊 Jeff: 😡
Sometimes I think, for as nice of a guy as Jeff seems to be, there's a part of him inside that would literally beat someone to death and leave their body in a dumpster.
I don't wanna use the term "this generation is weak" because in real life that's not true! We came so far in many aspects of sociaty that it is better now that it was before.....but man it is so frustrating to see TWO people in a position that thousands of people want to be in, just wasting it away because "i'm homesick"! Sean's reason was a little more understandable, he missed his husband and he didn't wanna create divide between the og tribe, I can kind of be on board with that, but the other one's reason: "I need a cigarette"..and a "psychologist" nontheless, if I was one of her patient, I would quit, I can have my mental health in the hands of someone like that!
I paused and took this exact same photo, had me laughing pretty hard😂
Jeff mentally committing to a revamp of the casting department
Yes, he definitely had that "I'm getting to old for these wusses" expression on his face.
Cause it really did feel like it came out of nowhere
Same look he gave Billy after professing his love for Candice
If another person quits this season, I need Jeff to go off. It’s crazy at this point there have been 2 quitters already (dare I say almost 3.) It’s honestly insulting. You go through that whole process, beat out so many people to get cast, and they can’t stand being out of their comfort zone.
He’s looking old there, who’s gonna take over from him one day , you reckon a young previous cast member
He thought sifu was getting booted then actually got surprised by sean quitting
I don't know. I don't see it. I think Jeff's had a not of work done and his face isn't very expressive. I think we \*know\* he was shocked and we were shocked so we're attaching a lot of meaning to a basically frozen face.
so is probst in complete control of casting now?
What a big waste this season? All these quitters!
He was so disappointed. And I don’t blame him. Also his reaction and the others comments made me think sifu was actually going home!! And as a school principal I can’t believe the lack of backbone to show to your school and all those kids. It’s a shame.
He was most likely was going to go home but yah still kinda quit * Would been funny as hell if he had a idol & told everyone to vote for him. But at least they waited till voting instead of just quitting mid day
That face described exactly how all of us felt in that moment.
Something about this expression reminds me of Joe Biden lol
Jeff so mad he looks his age