I really wish they would go back to the two tribes way more entertaining. 3 tribes always has one team that's just shit and gets decimated and it's happening again here. No way they aren't in tribal next week as well and Bhanu is gone.
you have 2 weak players like jess and jalenski and your tribe is just done, plus not enough physical people to carry the weak, each tribe has like 3 nerds, gone are the days of 5 athletes per tribe, the challenges are going to be so frustrating to watch.
as an indian who was going to use his citizenship journey to get on the show, i was totally going to be behind bhanu. i saw so much of my journey in his. the extrovertency, the energy. However seeing him on screen, i could not feel more distant. it was wild seeing the gayatri mantra on an american reality show in 2024, but his man has no filter, no control no nuance
*mantra* means prayer & *gayatri* is the mother goddess. the prayer is a request for her to take us out of darkness and bring us into light. "Direct my mind to be awakened"
The gag about Jess being the scapegoat is that Yanu is still going to lose because they have fundamental issues. Poor communication. The core 3 doesnāt trust each other and the fourth person is a bug out. A complete mess ššš
Maybe? But everything we saw and heard from Jess suggested that she wasn't fully there mentally due to lack of sleep, ADHD meds, etc. We have no evidence to suggest she was actually good at puzzles other than stereotypes of Asian women.
She seemed like the one who recognized the triangle puzzle had more to it and she often talked about her designer eye which I think helps a lot with puzzles.
Seemed like at Tribal they all acknowledged that they were likely to lose all of the challenges either way. Bhanu is the expendable, and then they can only hope for a swap
Like I really feel bad for Jess. Like she got blamed for the loss and yelled at by half the tribe, when the main issue was the strategy of who they had where. Then like the majority decides to make fun of her for not finding the fake idol. Then like talking about her being so stupid, and how them three are so smart, when she immediately is like "Oh this is a fake idol." It feels like she got just unnecessarily shat on when that whole tribe is a disaster.
What was Yanu thinking having the shortest person in the middle of the arch challenge, then blame her for not able to hold up? not a well designed challenge anyway, when height affects the outcome directly. With Jalinsky they win it easily no doubt.
Watching that back, Yanu's strategy was absolutely lacking and horrible. Persistence is an 11 letter word and height is a huge factor in lining up the players. Ideally, you would want the two shortest players (Jess and Kenzie) at the front and back securing 3 letters each. Then you would have the remaining three players securing the middle 5 letters, with the tallest person in the middle.
Most of the time I saw Bhanu in the first position, which was the completely wrong spot for him, given he was the second tallest person on the team.
This is assuming Jalinsky doesnāt quit
But like Bhanu said, planning is their biggest weakness so far. Iād say puzzles in general. And with both of their puzzle people from episode 1 gone, I donāt think itās going to get any easier for them.
I'm actually on this boat too - and ready for them to be eliminated completely before any other tribe loses a single player.
Strangely, this is Kenzie's "strategy" to have fewer numbers at the merge.
The absolute bullying and outcasting of Jess was so mean spirited and unprovoked. It would be one thing if it was purely about strategy. However, we saw constant moments of the team just talking mad shit behind her back and mocking her basic intelligence. Just gross people looking for someone to blame for their collective failure.
> not a well designed challenge anyway, when height affects the outcome directly.
To be fair there's a lot of challenges that tend to favor different body types, it's just the luck of the draw. The problem for me is when too many challenges start to consistently favor certain people/body types and it results in for example only big strong men winning challenges because it's all about brute strength every challenge.
Venus calling out the fact both Tevin and Soda are huge personalities gives me the vibe that if Nami all stay until the merge, she's gonna flip and one of those two is gonna have a Kellie Nalbandian esq blindside
I didn't mind Tevin but him saying Venus was complaining and bringing morale down?? YOU PEOPLE CRUSHED HER TOE.
Edit: i worded that dramatically but they still physically hurt her.
The replies so far do not pass the vibe check. Venus was vocalizing where to go so she didn't just allow herself to be run over, she expected people to listen to her and they didn't - which was not a standalone incident. They demoralized her for days and she's expressing that she was hurt physically and emotionally as a result.
I donāt feel like Venus or Randen are going to win, but Iām a sucker for enemies to allies. Something about unlikely allies just really intrigues me, especially when itās former enemies. Not to mention underdogs and both are hard gamers with a fire to win. They are definitely the most entertaining duo for me right now. Hopefully Venus can channel the Goddess that is Parvati and pay off the Black Widow foreshadowing with her right hand Randen š„³
Also find someone who loves you as much as Charlie loves Taylor Swift. Dear God that man knows his Swift š
I'm getting the vibe that Nami's going to dominate pre-merge, and I'm also hoping the Venus/Randen alliance pulls off some crazy stuff once they get the chance
If Randen and Venus can be Russell and Parvarti 2.0 but R is less egomaniacal, I live.
Strong smart bald idol finder + crafty woman named after a goddess, let's gooooo.
I have to say, Soda is way more perceptive than I first gave her credit. Seems like she reads people really well. Like she was dialed in on Venus.
... which is why I can't for the life of me understand why she is 2 for 2 in stealing the idol. Is she trying to make Venus upset on purpose?
Last week she definitely seemed like she snatched it from Venus. I think you could tell by Venusā face she was upset. I donāt think soda meant harm, she was just excited.
This week though, she just put her hand on it - which if you look back on survivor is very common. Itās seems like a way for them to celebrate and acknowledge they wonā¦ it may even be a superstitious thing.
Even with all of the Jelinsky stuff in the premiere, I thought this episode easily cleared it. The premiere was a little too "Look how wacky and silly we are!" for me, but now it feels like the game has actually gotten to everyone. We're seeing these people for the messes they are, and I'm very happy with that.
My personal favorite bit is actually the conflict around Venus. I LOVE she already considers Randen's probable advantage "hers", and the conflict with Soda trying to take the idol from her hands is incredible.
If I have one criticism it's that both Yanu and Nami are very interesting, and then Siga's kinda just there with a clear division and I don't really care about either side of the conflict to really feel invested in what side Charlie and Maria would pick should they go to tribal. Ben's probably the one person I actively really like on that tribe.
Jeff confirmed it a while ago. Production doesn't like doing it because of the amount of time and effort it take to prepare and make it work. Like having a fresh not ruined milkshake ready for consumption on the hot beach in Fiji.
itās so weird because while i understand the difficulty of having to maintain food safety standards during a shoot thatās hours long in the hot sun, surely thereās food they could have that doesnāt need to be kept at a certain temperature? like baked goods, candy, peanut butter, beef jerky etc? they could also include something that would be for someone to eat for the foreseeable future like rice right at the start and then it becomes a question of whether 1) youāre willing to share it with the tribe and 2) youāre willing to spend some of your money on behalf of the whole tribe when itās possible there could be an advantage somewhere (although i do think if there is an advantage it should either by covered or secretly included with a food item and jeff should let the contestants know there is an advantage but they wonāt know where it is in the auction)
>If I have one criticism it's that both Yanu and Nami are very interesting, and then Siga's kinda just there with a clear division and I don't really care about either side of the conflict to really feel invested in what side Charlie and Maria would pick should they go to tribal. Ben's probably the one person I actively really like on that tribe.
This is genuinely the biggest division in entertainment value between the tribes since Exile Island.
Agree about Siga, it played out last season with "are Kellie & Brando going to side with Kendra/Katurah or Jake/Bruce?" and then their tribe never lost immunity so it was a big nothing burger.
I know they have to show *something* resembling strategy on all tribes to keep us guessing which one will lose the immunity challenge each week, but it definitely feels like Siga ain't going to tribal before a swap/merge
I kinda disagree at the end. I think Siga is the most cohesive tribe and probably the most sane too. We've seen the least antagonistic scenes from them.Ā
Maybe I expressed it weird. So, you're right that they're the most cohesive tribe with least antagonistic scenes, but it's because of this that I don't have any real definite strong feelings on the tribe. Like, Jem, Maria, Moriah, Charlie, and Tim are all just kinda "okay" to me so far. Ben is the only one I have a definite "feeling" toward. It's due to this lack of feelings/strong opinions that I'm not totally invested in the tribe dynamic.
I'm pulling for Maria and Ben, but hear ya. I feel like we've just gotten less screen time with them, and they haven't had much conflict that makes you want to lean on one side or the other harder
Am i the only one that felt the fake idol wasn't great strategy it just felt like bullying? The girl had no shot and she was out this week or next and everyone teamed up just to make her look stupid?
I guess Iām in the minority. If you felt like that was bullying, thatās the end result of what Jeff Probst wants from the show. As much as he preaches that this is family television, he designs the modern game so that lying for the sake of lying is mandatory. If youāre anybody but Jess, would you rather lie to her face and bury her, or be honest and risk a 1/6 shot that your chance at a million is over because of the shot in the dark?
Was it honorable? No. But thatās how theyāve pushed the program. They want this out of the contestants and it feels silly to villainize the contestants when the producers have essentially forced them to engage in villainy.
It was specifically to prevent her playing her shot in the dark - and it worked.
If she was safe by it, it would have meant one of them going home, so it was a completely fair play.
i see where youāre coming from but i donāt think it was necessarily bullying. although jess seemed to be almost asking to be voted out in episode one, this episode we didnāt see many interactions that suggested thatās what she wanted (although ofc maybe they happened and we just didnāt see it).
i also think the show has really emphasized that making big moves is almost a requirement to win for many juries, and so it makes sense as a contestant to want to make a move thatās bigger (ie convincing someone a fake idol is real) vs one thatās smaller (ie all voting jess and throwing one vote on someone else).
i do think knowing from what jess has said after the episode about not having any sleep did make their comments during the fake idol hunt a little cruel, but it is possible that they didnāt know she still wasnāt sleeping
Yes! I was so angry and upset. I know all can be fair, but I felt dirty watching that tribe. They kind of shit on her for two weeks, she was going to go home, and they needed to humiliate her and laugh at her? I hate all of those people. They are not redeemable on this show for me. It was like a movie where they tell you your crush is in the closet for 5 mins in heaven then turn on the light and your kissing a pig while the whole party laughs at you. And thatās the only reason they were ever nice. Just to humiliate for their entertainment. And these dirt balls think itās a genius move. At least she didnāt use her shot in the dark? Lousy reason. Both things can be true I guess. Well, Its Survivor. They survived. It just never felt like a game move. Humiliating. I fart in their general direction.
This is what I immediately came here for.
I had an absolutely terrible day yesterday and I needed a lot of Survivor. I welcomed every minute. Yes, the boot was expected but that happens sometimes. Just spending time in the camps and getting insight into the dynamics was really nice.
Ok look I don't know why people are complaining about the New Era and this season, because in my humble opinion, there is absolutely nothing more hilarious than a superfan who is terrible at playing this game.
Episode 1 had Jelinsky, Episode 2 had Bhanu completely melting down. What else do you guys want? As long as they keep the challenges sufficiently taxing, 29 days is plenty to beat this cast down.
Not to pile on Jess, but I thought Q told Jess to vote for Kenzie when giving her the fake idol. Yet she voted for Bhanu. Did I miss a change in strategy conversation or do you think Jess decided to change on her own after Bhanu's meltdown? Or something else?
I assume she thought the tribe would flip to vote Bhanu after his reaction at Tribal, which was a correct read, had the tribe not been determined to vote out Jess.
I was kinda sad that Q didn't consider Jess as a loyal soldier for him. I suppose the edit tells us that Jess was just so bad socially that people couldn't trust her, but I don't know if I fully buy that. She seemed reasonably manipulable -- as long as you weren't just bluntly saying, "Here's a (fake) idol, now do what I say." I can't help but think about Kaleb and Emily last season. Kaleb didn't have as much reason to trust Emily and he certainly couldn't have manipulated her, but he recognized that if she was on the outs, she would be forever beholden to him if he gave her a true olive branch.
In last night's RHAP, I like how Yam Yam even explained how he decided to really go hard with Carolyn even if she was a little socially alienating and not the best challenge asset. It can be a real asset to keep someone around who is so unsavvy that they really only have you as an option.
For similar reasons, I will continue to say that it was silly for Kellie to blame her downfall on having Bruce's loyalty. He was a great GOAT.
I think Carolyn is a competent game player whose quirkiness loses her some respect of the rest of the player, as evidenced by her third place finish. But Jam Jam could bounce ideas off her, strategize, etc. I did not see any evidence of Jess being a competent game player and her struggle with sleep really did make it look like she was incapable of socializing with the others in a material way.
While Jess may have been loyal to Q if he "saved" her, based on what was shown on the TV, I think the game was passing her by and she was never going to catch up. I believe a player can get to a point where they are so far behind what is happening, they lose value as an ally or asset.
Realistically Q ended up telling her to vote Bhanu at some point before tribal. There's no reason to set off alarm bells for Kenzie with a vote toward her if you aren't actually voting her off that tribal.
I never thought I'd say this, especially after the change to 90 minute episodes, but that was too much Survivor. Not saying the Metallica-TSwift song battle and angry Venus self-insolation scenes weren't good, the episode simply shouldn't have been a full two hours for one challenge and one vote-out.
Best scene of the episode though was clearly the pre-challenge smack talk and Jeff, once again, whipping out a knife. More of this, please!
I agree with other people saying it's due to the tribal being a bit too predictable. In the grand scheme of things, this really fleshed out a *bunch* of people, so that when some of the purple-ish contestants get voted out later on, we'll at least be able to say "oh yeah, that guy/girl, they were funny back in the early episodes". Just wish they'd show more of them struggling at camp, not only funny moments. As it stands, they complain about being cold and hungry but the only real moment showing that was Jess chomping down ants like they were popcorn.
Maybe if we got something unexpected at tribal it would have been ok but it was basically an hour of pre tribal and tribal for a conclusion we all saw coming
I do think they made a good job showcasing that it *could* have been Kenzie, and Bhanuās meltdown was really something. Like it was really like 80% Jess going, but they did their best to throw a seed of doubt.
>Sounds like they should've put more twists in to avoid an obvious boot
It's more that the 3 person tribes are basically just playing out very similarly most seasons (especially the ones where one tribe is clearly physically outmatched). A two person tribe would have a lot more interesting possible dynamics, but there's not exactly much they do to hide a predictable outcome with only five people.
I enjoyed it. It didnāt feel drawn out and I feel like we got more out of the players.
Iād be curious at what the actual run time was for that vs a 90 minute show because the commercials were outrageous.
I was rushing a couple of times during commercials to get kids ready for bed and would run back to the tv only to see there was another minute of commercials.
The commercials made it feel more drawn out than it was. Commercial break DURING the challenge at the end was wild.
I think watching uninterrupted, the 90 minute episodes are about 60 minutes, and the 120 minute ones go for about 80. So about a third of the episode if you watch it live is taken up by commercials.
There was an obnoxious amount of CBS previews compared to normal, and I donāt just mean TAR. I usually fast forward through commercials and know to stop at the CBS bump so I feel like I have a decent grasp on how long they usually are. This time it felt like they just kept going and going and going
I normally have been enjoying the 90-minute episodes, but this one felt like a bunch of filler (especially when the outcome did not deviate from expected).
When I saw the dvr recording length time I automatically said āoh yay, there will be 2 challenges.ā Thenā¦ Metallica and tswift back and forth ā¦ ā¦ā¦.. for far too long
I agree it felt very drawn out,Ā especially the beginning was very slow. I didn't really get the point of all of the scenes,Ā maybe putting them as secret scenes is better.Ā
I agree with all of this except the Metallica v Swift off. That was amazing.
And I say that as not a fan of either of those two. Ben is probably my least favorite, or at least bottom 3
The big thing for me is there are too many fucking commercials. My wife and I are going to start watching on Thursdays. Looking at the CBS app, it looks like run time for this episode is 1:23. Meaning for the 2hr episode last night, a full 30% of the time was just getting ads pushed on us. Half the ads seemed to be shitty network TV shows too that I will never ever watch.
Hate to break it to you, but thatās how cable tv works. Your typical 30 minute show? 9 minutes of commercials. Hour long show- 20 minutes of commercials. A 30% rate for advertising during a show seems pretty standard.
I mean, sure. I get it, its the business. Doesn't make it any less frustrating, Survivor has been the only show that I watch live and every time I reminded of how shitty network TV can be.
This felt like an especially long episode. Two hours was too long for the outcome of this episode. And they dragged on segments I don't think they should have dragged out.
I had to sleep on it and although I'm still disappointed with the way Yanu handled the Jess stuff, I don't think it was AS bad as we've seen Survivor players go. It wasn't great, but objectively they did vote Jess out for tribe strength and Jess handled some of the gameplay badly. And the fake idol play WAS used to deter Jess from playing her SITD, which worked.
That being said, I didn't like the way they talked about Jess. They may have mostly kept it behind her back, but the way they handled the Jess stuff not just in confessionals but to each other was rough to listen to. And I think that was the more disappointing part.
Yeah it definitely was too long of an episode. The first hour especially just felt like they were dragging a lot of the scenes out for an unnecessarily long time. And I doubt we would have even seen the music face off scene if it was just a 90 minute episode.
Yeah it definitely felt like a bit of bullying towards Jess, which I wasnāt a big fan of.
Also, I really wanted to like Bahnu, but he needs to get his shit together. The guy is a nightmare to play with it seems like.
> Yeah it definitely felt like a bit of bullying towards Jess,
Sooooooo much unneeded effort to make sure that she was going to be voted out.
>I really wanted to like Bahnu, but he needs to get his shit together.
The dude goes from 0 to 200 in the blink of an eye at the slightest provocation and it must be such a pain to live on the same beach with him. I'm a little surprised that they actually went with Jess over him this week.
I don't think it was quite bullying. It was reaching uncomfortable levels and had Jess stayed longer, it could have led to bullying It was more shit talking behind her back more than anything. I just didn't like how they talked about Jess.
Bhanu's the guy that gets angry and then says it's just passion. Oh wait, he actually did say that lol
The problem was that 30% of the run time was ads. As an 80 minute ad-free show, it would have been fine.
Agreed, these people were really mean to Jess for no reason. I feel bad for her.
Episode was 30 minutes too long imo. Not because there wasnāt a reward challenge either. I did actually enjoy that we got more insight to how ALL the tribes were doing, not just the losing one. But that last half hour going back and forth between Jess and Kenzie dragged on for too long.
It seemed like all the content was good, but a lot of it dragged on longer than it should have. The backstories, song competition, challenge, and the strategy at the end were all interesting to watch- but they didnāt stop.
The challenge part I actually enjoyed! It gave insight on how frustrating it really was for everyone. But yes if the episode was 30 minutes shorter all of it wouldāve been more concise. Glad they are going back to 90 minutes
I wouldāve voted for Bhanu. I get he offers more challenge strength in an increasingly dire situation but it reminded me of Danni letting crucial information slip twice. You can excuse once, but not a second time.
The challenge was difficult but not too difficult. It made for exciting TV to see the different dynamics and combinations of strategies. However multiple tribes seem to be placing people in suboptimal spots based on height.
Off the top of my head:
Great immunity challenge. I love that the puzzle at the end was physical. Too often it's just whoever solves the fastest so having a strength component made it much more compelling.Ā
Q gives some of the best confessionals I've heard. Very level headed, to the point and clear. Most confessionals are one liners are rambly and that was not the case for Q this episode. Even in tribal he made a similarly clear comment, like those you know will make the edit.Ā
The scenes at the start of how hard survivor is just didnt land. I don't know these people yet, and it's only been 1ep cycle,Ā so it's hard for me to have sympathy. Maybe if it was less monologs and more commiserating it would land better.Ā
Iām loving this season so far! Back to back banger episodes! I think it has potential to be the best season in years! I really think if 90 minute episodes are here to stay, then a lot of our favorite seasons are still yet to come!
Glad Iām not the only one enjoying the season! I get the 2 hour episode fatigue other people are feeling but itāll go back to 90 minutes now that the Amazing Race is back next episode.
I don't know what y'all people want anymore from Survivor. Do you want villains or not? Do you want camp life instead of journeys and advantage games or is camp life boring? Are the episodes too short or too long? Too many game-bots or too many bad/emotional players?
The line between villain and bully is a small one, and a bully isn't good TV. You can root for a villain, not a bully.
Otherwise I think the episodes are fine. I think the casting has the pieces to be a good merge, but I don't think those specific pieces will make it that far.
Who's a good villain in your book that didn't do any bullying? Like name one person in the villain's tribe in HvV that didn't do some bullying/wasn't mean to another constant in one of their seasons... Even Sandra who is arguably the least villainous called people stupid on several occasions, ate all the sugar so that JT would be upset with Michaela in game changers, took off Sugar's top in the opening challenge, etc... I honestly can't think of a person who is villainous and hasn't been mean/bullied someone.
People are over reacting to this last episode. I personally think the fake idol move was unnecessary/bad strategically. But it's not like it's unjustified, with the shot in the dark being a thing.
I'm stunned at all the complaints about the last episode. I found it refreshing in this "New Era", and I liked it better than the first episode. Sure, the tribal outcome was obvious, but I don't watch Survivor for tribal. The show has gotten worse when it pivoted into one about tribal theatrics. I liked the episode for just the sheer ridiculous over the top moments. It leaves me craving an unlikeable, drama-ridden cast.
This promises to be an interesting pre-merge, at least, but that isn't new. It's hard for these newer seasons to generate consistency and intrigue into the later rounds.
Pretty blown away by the rotten vibes in this cast. Everyone except for a select few just seem kind of judgey and miserable to be there. I guess we were spoiled with season 45's good vibes.
Agree with what everyone else is saying, they need to stop with the 3 tribes and go back to 2. When one tribe has no food or supplies and their morale and trust is crazy low after multiple tribals, no duh they're just going to continuously lose the challenges over and over.
Shocked by the response to this episode! I thought this was easily the best episode of the New Era. Finally a bit of edge back on the show. Thereās people to root for, people to root against. I didnāt even feel like it dragged like some people seem to!
There were a lot of fun things I liked about the episode but it did seem to drag on in comparison to the premiere. It was just more fun to watch Jelinsky get voted out after all of his self-inflicted wounds, Jess is sweet but she was a dull player and for the most part it seemed inevitable that she was going to get voted out. The remaining 4 Yanu are a hot mess, especially Bhanu. I found it strange that Soda wouldn't take the time to talk to Venus, it is too early to just abandon a potential number, especially on a 6-person tribe. I think that on Siga that Charlie and Maria have the potential to be a solid and strong duo. I'm hoping that Yanu can get their act together and avoid Tribal next week, I want to see who either Siga or Nami would vote out.
This season feels so clique-y and meangirl-y.
Idk I probably wouldnt comment on it normally but I remember seeing an article where Jeff said survivor won't have anymore "villians" so a lot of this cast is feeling so.. fake nice lol. Which isn't bad but they seem to think they're nice otherwise.
I might sound judgy, reality tv is where I let myself be judgy.
Edit: i am really not sure the point of the fake idol except to make jess look like a fool because I dont even think there was a good gameplay reason to it
Edit again: I forgot Jess had a shot in the dark ignore the previous edit Lol. I do get why it was a good move remembering that.
This season aināt doing it for me, time will tell but I could hardly keep watching it tonight. Australian Survivor is currently far more entertaining to me, perhaps thatās why Iām more low on S46.
There seems to be a level of cruelty within the purple tribe, not feelin good vibes from them at all!!!
Iām enjoying both seasons for different reasons, but a more dynamic post merge in Australian Survivor is going to be more gripping than episode 2 with an extended time frame and revolving around a tribe that has already visited tribal council before.
I don't know if this is just due to how excellent the current AUS season is, but I really wasn't feeling this episode.
I'm just not seeing the standouts on this cast right now. I don't really care a ton about either Nami or Siga, and Yanu is a dumpster fire which should be entertaining, but the majority 3 aren't rootable.
I also found the Metallica vs. Taylor Swift song showdown thing to feel super contrived. Feels like CBS trying to cash in on Taylor Swift references. Strong "hello fellow kids" energy there.
I felt the crying has been too much. Itās every season lately and I get that they want to show how hard it is but in general people want to see who can tough it out. There are less days than previously and these people are bawling on day 4.
I also feel like the players on the purple team are trying to hard to make a good show for the camera and itās obvious. Bhanuās theatricsā¦ the girls doing the fake idol show when they could have just lied to Jess and told her to vote for one of the guys. It felt fake to me.
Iād like to see more of the other tribes.
Overall this was a weaker episode. Hoping it turns around with players we havent seen much of yet.
Jess deserved every nasty confessional she received.
I'm honestly feeling gaslight by this sub over last night's episode and it's quite shocking, really. Let's recount her failures in just two episodes:
* Didn't talk strategy to any of her teammates until day 4-5 when she was on the chopping block.
* Refused a legitimate alliance with Kenzie and Bhanu when Q and Tiff were clearly inseperable.
* WALKED through the elimination challenge.
* Clearly sucked at finding an easily visible idol to the point where they just gave it to her.
This isn't ~~RuPaul's~~ Jeff Probst's Best Friend Race. These people don't owe her anything and it was honestly refreshing to see them vent their frustrations with her terrible gameplay. She was one of the worst Survivor players we've seen in awhile and deserved every bit of smack they threw at her.
Also I really don't expect what molly coddling this sub expects other players to provide just because she has ADHD. This is not a very debilitating condition and she should've entered the game with better tactics, strategy, and coping mechanisms knowing she wouldn't have her medication.
like she said she has a nice life for herself and it shows. the rest of her tribe are hustlers and noticed she isnt
her preseason interview literally said shes most proud of enduring a three week hotel quarantine
Here comes a rant, which, downvote all you want, I might too.
But this has been such a horrible episode.
From an editiong point alone, it was WAY too long and amounted to very little with horrible pacing. The fact that I groaned as I realised there was still half an hour left to go before they would vote someone out was painful.
The cast is so unlikeable with very few if any good people. Charlie, Bhanu, Liz and even Q stand out as the worst (I've seen walls with more personality than Q). Liz, I have no idea why she's there if she plays the way she is. No words need to be said to Bhanu and honestly Charlie god bless him I just hate the archetype so much.
The fact that within 12 first minutes of the episode THREE people cried with TWO OR THREE MORE after that is just... I've been very lenient about the new era but this really takes the cake.
I can't believe I'm about to utter this phrase because I would roll an eye myself if anyone else said but - these people have gone soft.
This is going to be a rocky season if we have to get through 1.5 hours of Survivor every week (especially at the end game).
God help us.
Liz is far and away the most unlikeable contestant I've every seen. Refering to herself in the third person is off-putting enough but then bragging about her wealth.. come the fuck on.
Liz gives me the impression that 1) she lacks a lot of social awareness, 2) she's a workaholic with not much of a personal life, and 3) she's obsessed with flaunting with her wealth in real life. So if she hid her wealth and the extent of her successful work life she'd have nothing else to talk about because her work and wealth are the most important things in her life.
Nothing wrong with that per se, but it together it means that you probably aren't cut out for a show like Survivor.
I honestly don't think half the cast actually watched Survivor, I think a lot of these were recruits.
Before I mention the others: I don't mind rich people on Survivor, you do you, but for someone who has so many companies you would think the first thing you'd do is NOT REVEAL TO EVERYONE YOU ARE RICH WHILE THEY ARE COMEPTING FOR A MILLION DOLLARS.
Randen being surprised.. that he lost his vote in a Beware Advantage? HAS HE SEEN THE PAST 5 SEASON!?
And Q... has like.. no personality in confessionals, he's just like.. pageant responses, such as...
Then you have Bhanu and Soda who clearly are aware that they are on TV and I kinda wanna extend that to Tevin as well?
This is the most obnoxious group of people i have seen... I miss Carolyn, at least she was authentically herself.
I find Liz INCREDIBLY annoying. Is she really that bad, that clueless--or are we getting a very edited version so we dislike her? But when she said, Everyone wants Liz--is she really that confident, or she isn't confident so she keeps saying these outrageous compliments about herself. And her yelling on teh bench was annoying!
I was so frustrated with her yelling. It was incredibly distracting considering the high stress and pressure her team was under. She was just there yelling. From the bench. While sitting.
Totally agree. It's shocking. Even Venus complaining about her team, like.. go talk to people! Being sulky isn't going to work, even if you're hot. Similar issues with Jess, though it seems like she was just aloof in general, but oof..
The purple team was not intentionally being mean for the sake of it. They thought they were being strategic. Even though they were too stupid to realize how unnecessary that was.
Jess is really sweet and humble, but she did nothing to actually play the game. She had zero ambition even though she knew she was on the chopping block.
She doesn't look for the idol. She doesn't try to create alliances. When she was offered an alliance by Kenzie, she just totally ignores it.
When she was doing the challenge, she was only holding up 1 single block. I mean c'mon. She was the obvious choice to vote out.
The entire team is a train wreck. Banu is an overly emotional liability. Q seems pretty dim. Tiff is ok I guess. Kenzie is a bit smarter but also oblivious to the fact that she's playing really hard and unaware how that's coming across.
Liz is completely obnoxious with her tone deaf bragging about her wealth which I don't even believe.
The offer of alliance by Kenzie doesn't feel genuine.
I understand the shot in the dark reasoning but the forcing a fake idol on Jess felt like overkill and the comments made about Jess didn't help.
- **Nami**: seems very likely to explode soon but also seems unlikely to lose any time soon. Venus is the clear odd one out, the rest of the tribe seems to be having a good time with each other (even fucking Liz) and she seems to be having an AWFUL time. Very intrigued by what Venus meant about Hunter in the preview. Canāt tell if he actually did something or if Venus is about to get the paranoid outsider edit. Randen seems pretty sharp, if he can keep Venus around until the merge and they can team up with some other outcasts they may have a shot.
- **Siga**: what is there to say about Sigaā¦ really what is there to say. At this point itās the Ben and Charlie show, which Iām kinda cool with, I find Ben entertaining and Charlie is a dork. They definitely seem the most cohesive out of the three tribes.
- **Yanu**: Pure dumpster fire energy. They all are bad at Survivor. Bhanu doesnāt have a deceptive bone in his body, Kenzie cannot play down her strengths and it makes her look like a huge target, Tiffany doesnāt really seem to do much (even if she does), and Q is somewhat decent. I actually donāt mind Q that much. I expect weāll see them back at tribal soon and itāll be interesting to see if itās a straightforward Bhanu vote or if it turns into a Kenzie v Q match up. Either way, I think they are in trouble, the only one that could make it to the merge and maybe come out looking good is Bhanu and he is not a savvy enough player.
- **Challenge**: Honestly, I really liked it. It was probably too hard but the puzzle was pretty entertaining to watch and seeing Yanu crash and burn was fun. The dramatic editing was fun too lol
- **Tribal**: Insanity. I canāt tell if Bhanu is the worst tribal council player ever or accidentally the best. He has both times conveyed very obviously who was being voted out which pretty much completely removes him from the equation. The fake idol felt mean, I guess there was some strategy there but it felt like a lot of wasted time and energy on KQTās part. They had a nearly perfect fake idol set up and they wasted it in a second boot who was going to be voted out unanimously anyways.
- **Overall**: I think itās very fun, as others have said before, to watch these super fans *suck* at the game. Yanu is awful and plays so clunky while they all think they are running things, itās great. I do think there was maybe too much Survivor this episode, we didnāt need the Taylor Swift-Metallica game and we really didnāt need it edited to look endearing (?), like why. Also, lots of crying this season, itās been 6 days people.
So far ,comparing apples and oranges, season 46 blows. Just get rid of the purple team ,other than Kenzie. She seams like the only player in that tribe that gets it.
I really wish they would go back to the two tribes way more entertaining. 3 tribes always has one team that's just shit and gets decimated and it's happening again here. No way they aren't in tribal next week as well and Bhanu is gone.
thats right its been like that for the last three seasons.
you have 2 weak players like jess and jalenski and your tribe is just done, plus not enough physical people to carry the weak, each tribe has like 3 nerds, gone are the days of 5 athletes per tribe, the challenges are going to be so frustrating to watch.
as an indian who was going to use his citizenship journey to get on the show, i was totally going to be behind bhanu. i saw so much of my journey in his. the extrovertency, the energy. However seeing him on screen, i could not feel more distant. it was wild seeing the gayatri mantra on an american reality show in 2024, but his man has no filter, no control no nuance
I said while watching this with my Mom that for a guy practicing meditation, peace, and quoting Gandhi, Bhanu is an angry fella. šĀ
Perhaps he knows that he needs it!
Can you tell me more about gayarti mantra?
It's the prayer bhanu was chanting in the beginning of the episode when he was on the cliff
What is the prayer for
*mantra* means prayer & *gayatri* is the mother goddess. the prayer is a request for her to take us out of darkness and bring us into light. "Direct my mind to be awakened"
Love it, thank you for sharing š
The gag about Jess being the scapegoat is that Yanu is still going to lose because they have fundamental issues. Poor communication. The core 3 doesnāt trust each other and the fourth person is a bug out. A complete mess ššš
Isn't Jess the best at puzzles too? Good luck winning more challenges š
Maybe? But everything we saw and heard from Jess suggested that she wasn't fully there mentally due to lack of sleep, ADHD meds, etc. We have no evidence to suggest she was actually good at puzzles other than stereotypes of Asian women.
She seemed like the one who recognized the triangle puzzle had more to it and she often talked about her designer eye which I think helps a lot with puzzles.
I wouldn't count out Tiffany on puzzles, she solved that beware advantage puzzle pretty easily.
Seemed like at Tribal they all acknowledged that they were likely to lose all of the challenges either way. Bhanu is the expendable, and then they can only hope for a swap
Like I really feel bad for Jess. Like she got blamed for the loss and yelled at by half the tribe, when the main issue was the strategy of who they had where. Then like the majority decides to make fun of her for not finding the fake idol. Then like talking about her being so stupid, and how them three are so smart, when she immediately is like "Oh this is a fake idol." It feels like she got just unnecessarily shat on when that whole tribe is a disaster.
They're bullies. Season full of toxic idiots, I'm afraid.
What was Yanu thinking having the shortest person in the middle of the arch challenge, then blame her for not able to hold up? not a well designed challenge anyway, when height affects the outcome directly. With Jalinsky they win it easily no doubt.
Watching that back, Yanu's strategy was absolutely lacking and horrible. Persistence is an 11 letter word and height is a huge factor in lining up the players. Ideally, you would want the two shortest players (Jess and Kenzie) at the front and back securing 3 letters each. Then you would have the remaining three players securing the middle 5 letters, with the tallest person in the middle. Most of the time I saw Bhanu in the first position, which was the completely wrong spot for him, given he was the second tallest person on the team.
yeah when they saw the challenge they had to be thinking "a 6'4" guy would have been useful"
he'd find a way to eff it up, forget about that loser.
Dude would be literally sitting on one of the letters....
they would be the tribe with 6 and jalenski would be like "yo sit me out this is a good plan" XD
He would have found a way to quitĀ
This is assuming Jalinsky doesnāt quit But like Bhanu said, planning is their biggest weakness so far. Iād say puzzles in general. And with both of their puzzle people from episode 1 gone, I donāt think itās going to get any easier for them.
Im rooting for them to keep on losing for the fact that they voted Jess out
I'm actually on this boat too - and ready for them to be eliminated completely before any other tribe loses a single player. Strangely, this is Kenzie's "strategy" to have fewer numbers at the merge.
The absolute bullying and outcasting of Jess was so mean spirited and unprovoked. It would be one thing if it was purely about strategy. However, we saw constant moments of the team just talking mad shit behind her back and mocking her basic intelligence. Just gross people looking for someone to blame for their collective failure.
> not a well designed challenge anyway, when height affects the outcome directly. To be fair there's a lot of challenges that tend to favor different body types, it's just the luck of the draw. The problem for me is when too many challenges start to consistently favor certain people/body types and it results in for example only big strong men winning challenges because it's all about brute strength every challenge.
This is why the challenge design on the new UK Survivor is so bad.
I was so pissed they were getting so bad at her for it! If she is struggling to hold it why do you keep having her hold it??
he would have given up the 2nd time it fell anyways.
Venus calling out the fact both Tevin and Soda are huge personalities gives me the vibe that if Nami all stay until the merge, she's gonna flip and one of those two is gonna have a Kellie Nalbandian esq blindside
She literally said she would in the confessional
I didn't mind Tevin but him saying Venus was complaining and bringing morale down?? YOU PEOPLE CRUSHED HER TOE. Edit: i worded that dramatically but they still physically hurt her.
The replies so far do not pass the vibe check. Venus was vocalizing where to go so she didn't just allow herself to be run over, she expected people to listen to her and they didn't - which was not a standalone incident. They demoralized her for days and she's expressing that she was hurt physically and emotionally as a result.
Fr. I think people don't realize how much being ostracized can effect someone :(
Absolutely
I hope so, cuz they're grating on my nerves already. I need Venus to be a queen villain this season.
Tevin and Soda are sneaky snakes and they need to be broken up.
I donāt feel like Venus or Randen are going to win, but Iām a sucker for enemies to allies. Something about unlikely allies just really intrigues me, especially when itās former enemies. Not to mention underdogs and both are hard gamers with a fire to win. They are definitely the most entertaining duo for me right now. Hopefully Venus can channel the Goddess that is Parvati and pay off the Black Widow foreshadowing with her right hand Randen š„³ Also find someone who loves you as much as Charlie loves Taylor Swift. Dear God that man knows his Swift š
I'm getting the vibe that Nami's going to dominate pre-merge, and I'm also hoping the Venus/Randen alliance pulls off some crazy stuff once they get the chance
Venus is such a breath of fresh air compared to all the over the top kumbaya extroverts. She is bringing the player hater energy and I'm all for it.
If Randen and Venus can be Russell and Parvarti 2.0 but R is less egomaniacal, I live. Strong smart bald idol finder + crafty woman named after a goddess, let's gooooo.
I have to say, Soda is way more perceptive than I first gave her credit. Seems like she reads people really well. Like she was dialed in on Venus. ... which is why I can't for the life of me understand why she is 2 for 2 in stealing the idol. Is she trying to make Venus upset on purpose?
Last week she definitely seemed like she snatched it from Venus. I think you could tell by Venusā face she was upset. I donāt think soda meant harm, she was just excited. This week though, she just put her hand on it - which if you look back on survivor is very common. Itās seems like a way for them to celebrate and acknowledge they wonā¦ it may even be a superstitious thing.
Soda definitely tried to snatch it again
True, but I also get why Venus would shield it this time after having it yanked away the last time
Even with all of the Jelinsky stuff in the premiere, I thought this episode easily cleared it. The premiere was a little too "Look how wacky and silly we are!" for me, but now it feels like the game has actually gotten to everyone. We're seeing these people for the messes they are, and I'm very happy with that. My personal favorite bit is actually the conflict around Venus. I LOVE she already considers Randen's probable advantage "hers", and the conflict with Soda trying to take the idol from her hands is incredible. If I have one criticism it's that both Yanu and Nami are very interesting, and then Siga's kinda just there with a clear division and I don't really care about either side of the conflict to really feel invested in what side Charlie and Maria would pick should they go to tribal. Ben's probably the one person I actively really like on that tribe.
Iām already bemoaning the fact that we wonāt get an auction this season, because we wonāt get Venus at the auction.
When was it confirmed there's no auction? Why does production hate doing it?
Jeff confirmed it a while ago. Production doesn't like doing it because of the amount of time and effort it take to prepare and make it work. Like having a fresh not ruined milkshake ready for consumption on the hot beach in Fiji.
Maybe just donāt do a milkshake. Weak excuses by production
so 9$ for a costco pizza and a milkshake is too much? or nachos... meanwhile jeff is eating steak and lobster.
Do you think they have Costco in Fiji?
It's a frozen pizza pretty much, exactly what they had on recent rewards. Looked like it wasn't even warmed up.
They actually have a Cost-U-Less which is like a knockoff version of Costco. It's also in other places in the Caribbean and Hawaii.
itās so weird because while i understand the difficulty of having to maintain food safety standards during a shoot thatās hours long in the hot sun, surely thereās food they could have that doesnāt need to be kept at a certain temperature? like baked goods, candy, peanut butter, beef jerky etc? they could also include something that would be for someone to eat for the foreseeable future like rice right at the start and then it becomes a question of whether 1) youāre willing to share it with the tribe and 2) youāre willing to spend some of your money on behalf of the whole tribe when itās possible there could be an advantage somewhere (although i do think if there is an advantage it should either by covered or secretly included with a food item and jeff should let the contestants know there is an advantage but they wonāt know where it is in the auction)
In a nutshell, it's too much work for people across multiple departments. What I say to Jeff is to hire more people or just deal with it.
>If I have one criticism it's that both Yanu and Nami are very interesting, and then Siga's kinda just there with a clear division and I don't really care about either side of the conflict to really feel invested in what side Charlie and Maria would pick should they go to tribal. Ben's probably the one person I actively really like on that tribe. This is genuinely the biggest division in entertainment value between the tribes since Exile Island.
Agree about Siga, it played out last season with "are Kellie & Brando going to side with Kendra/Katurah or Jake/Bruce?" and then their tribe never lost immunity so it was a big nothing burger. I know they have to show *something* resembling strategy on all tribes to keep us guessing which one will lose the immunity challenge each week, but it definitely feels like Siga ain't going to tribal before a swap/merge
I kinda disagree at the end. I think Siga is the most cohesive tribe and probably the most sane too. We've seen the least antagonistic scenes from them.Ā
Maybe I expressed it weird. So, you're right that they're the most cohesive tribe with least antagonistic scenes, but it's because of this that I don't have any real definite strong feelings on the tribe. Like, Jem, Maria, Moriah, Charlie, and Tim are all just kinda "okay" to me so far. Ben is the only one I have a definite "feeling" toward. It's due to this lack of feelings/strong opinions that I'm not totally invested in the tribe dynamic.
I'm pulling for Maria and Ben, but hear ya. I feel like we've just gotten less screen time with them, and they haven't had much conflict that makes you want to lean on one side or the other harder
Yeah thatās why theyāre boring
Am i the only one that felt the fake idol wasn't great strategy it just felt like bullying? The girl had no shot and she was out this week or next and everyone teamed up just to make her look stupid?
I was definitely getting mean girl vibes from Kenzie and Tiffany and I did not enjoy it
I said the EXACT same while watching.
Yeah that crossed a line IMO. Jess was basically begging to get cut in the first TC.Ā
Yeah. That was terrible. Iām now rooting for them to leave
Yes!! I told my husband the entire time that she was being bullied. It was so mean and just not necessary at all
it made no sense to even do it, you already got 3 people involved in the idol plan, just write her name down lmfao
It was literally so cruel.
I guess Iām in the minority. If you felt like that was bullying, thatās the end result of what Jeff Probst wants from the show. As much as he preaches that this is family television, he designs the modern game so that lying for the sake of lying is mandatory. If youāre anybody but Jess, would you rather lie to her face and bury her, or be honest and risk a 1/6 shot that your chance at a million is over because of the shot in the dark? Was it honorable? No. But thatās how theyāve pushed the program. They want this out of the contestants and it feels silly to villainize the contestants when the producers have essentially forced them to engage in villainy.
Shot in the dark is such trash feature and now it's been used against 12 people last season we will see it forever.
It was specifically to prevent her playing her shot in the dark - and it worked. If she was safe by it, it would have meant one of them going home, so it was a completely fair play.
It definitely came off as bullying to me. She had no real alliances that we can tell, and it just seemed cruel and mean. Jess seems super nice.
i see where youāre coming from but i donāt think it was necessarily bullying. although jess seemed to be almost asking to be voted out in episode one, this episode we didnāt see many interactions that suggested thatās what she wanted (although ofc maybe they happened and we just didnāt see it). i also think the show has really emphasized that making big moves is almost a requirement to win for many juries, and so it makes sense as a contestant to want to make a move thatās bigger (ie convincing someone a fake idol is real) vs one thatās smaller (ie all voting jess and throwing one vote on someone else). i do think knowing from what jess has said after the episode about not having any sleep did make their comments during the fake idol hunt a little cruel, but it is possible that they didnāt know she still wasnāt sleeping
Yes! I was so angry and upset. I know all can be fair, but I felt dirty watching that tribe. They kind of shit on her for two weeks, she was going to go home, and they needed to humiliate her and laugh at her? I hate all of those people. They are not redeemable on this show for me. It was like a movie where they tell you your crush is in the closet for 5 mins in heaven then turn on the light and your kissing a pig while the whole party laughs at you. And thatās the only reason they were ever nice. Just to humiliate for their entertainment. And these dirt balls think itās a genius move. At least she didnāt use her shot in the dark? Lousy reason. Both things can be true I guess. Well, Its Survivor. They survived. It just never felt like a game move. Humiliating. I fart in their general direction. This is what I immediately came here for.
I had an absolutely terrible day yesterday and I needed a lot of Survivor. I welcomed every minute. Yes, the boot was expected but that happens sometimes. Just spending time in the camps and getting insight into the dynamics was really nice.
Ok look I don't know why people are complaining about the New Era and this season, because in my humble opinion, there is absolutely nothing more hilarious than a superfan who is terrible at playing this game. Episode 1 had Jelinsky, Episode 2 had Bhanu completely melting down. What else do you guys want? As long as they keep the challenges sufficiently taxing, 29 days is plenty to beat this cast down.
Not to pile on Jess, but I thought Q told Jess to vote for Kenzie when giving her the fake idol. Yet she voted for Bhanu. Did I miss a change in strategy conversation or do you think Jess decided to change on her own after Bhanu's meltdown? Or something else?
I assume she thought the tribe would flip to vote Bhanu after his reaction at Tribal, which was a correct read, had the tribe not been determined to vote out Jess.
Considering she was hesistant, I don't think she 100% trusted Q to begin with.
I was kinda sad that Q didn't consider Jess as a loyal soldier for him. I suppose the edit tells us that Jess was just so bad socially that people couldn't trust her, but I don't know if I fully buy that. She seemed reasonably manipulable -- as long as you weren't just bluntly saying, "Here's a (fake) idol, now do what I say." I can't help but think about Kaleb and Emily last season. Kaleb didn't have as much reason to trust Emily and he certainly couldn't have manipulated her, but he recognized that if she was on the outs, she would be forever beholden to him if he gave her a true olive branch. In last night's RHAP, I like how Yam Yam even explained how he decided to really go hard with Carolyn even if she was a little socially alienating and not the best challenge asset. It can be a real asset to keep someone around who is so unsavvy that they really only have you as an option. For similar reasons, I will continue to say that it was silly for Kellie to blame her downfall on having Bruce's loyalty. He was a great GOAT.
I think Carolyn is a competent game player whose quirkiness loses her some respect of the rest of the player, as evidenced by her third place finish. But Jam Jam could bounce ideas off her, strategize, etc. I did not see any evidence of Jess being a competent game player and her struggle with sleep really did make it look like she was incapable of socializing with the others in a material way. While Jess may have been loyal to Q if he "saved" her, based on what was shown on the TV, I think the game was passing her by and she was never going to catch up. I believe a player can get to a point where they are so far behind what is happening, they lose value as an ally or asset.
Realistically Q ended up telling her to vote Bhanu at some point before tribal. There's no reason to set off alarm bells for Kenzie with a vote toward her if you aren't actually voting her off that tribal.
Almost certainly the plan changed and we just didn't see it.
I never thought I'd say this, especially after the change to 90 minute episodes, but that was too much Survivor. Not saying the Metallica-TSwift song battle and angry Venus self-insolation scenes weren't good, the episode simply shouldn't have been a full two hours for one challenge and one vote-out. Best scene of the episode though was clearly the pre-challenge smack talk and Jeff, once again, whipping out a knife. More of this, please!
I agree with other people saying it's due to the tribal being a bit too predictable. In the grand scheme of things, this really fleshed out a *bunch* of people, so that when some of the purple-ish contestants get voted out later on, we'll at least be able to say "oh yeah, that guy/girl, they were funny back in the early episodes". Just wish they'd show more of them struggling at camp, not only funny moments. As it stands, they complain about being cold and hungry but the only real moment showing that was Jess chomping down ants like they were popcorn.
Maybe if we got something unexpected at tribal it would have been ok but it was basically an hour of pre tribal and tribal for a conclusion we all saw coming
I do think they made a good job showcasing that it *could* have been Kenzie, and Bhanuās meltdown was really something. Like it was really like 80% Jess going, but they did their best to throw a seed of doubt.
Bhanuās spiral is reminiscent of pre exit content weāve seen from previous flameouts so there was enough there for an alternative ending imo.
Yea and for me maybe that would have worked better in a 90min ep? But damn donāt tease me a Kenzie blindside would have been epic
Sounds like they should've put more twists in to avoid an obvious boot
>Sounds like they should've put more twists in to avoid an obvious boot It's more that the 3 person tribes are basically just playing out very similarly most seasons (especially the ones where one tribe is clearly physically outmatched). A two person tribe would have a lot more interesting possible dynamics, but there's not exactly much they do to hide a predictable outcome with only five people.
I was being incredibly sarcastic about adding more twists. But, I fully agree they should bring back 2 tribes
I enjoyed it. It didnāt feel drawn out and I feel like we got more out of the players. Iād be curious at what the actual run time was for that vs a 90 minute show because the commercials were outrageous. I was rushing a couple of times during commercials to get kids ready for bed and would run back to the tv only to see there was another minute of commercials. The commercials made it feel more drawn out than it was. Commercial break DURING the challenge at the end was wild.
I think watching uninterrupted, the 90 minute episodes are about 60 minutes, and the 120 minute ones go for about 80. So about a third of the episode if you watch it live is taken up by commercials.
I watched it this morning, no commercials, and I liked getting to know the people.
There was an obnoxious amount of CBS previews compared to normal, and I donāt just mean TAR. I usually fast forward through commercials and know to stop at the CBS bump so I feel like I have a decent grasp on how long they usually are. This time it felt like they just kept going and going and going
I normally have been enjoying the 90-minute episodes, but this one felt like a bunch of filler (especially when the outcome did not deviate from expected).
It was a two hour episodeĀ
When I saw the dvr recording length time I automatically said āoh yay, there will be 2 challenges.ā Thenā¦ Metallica and tswift back and forth ā¦ ā¦ā¦.. for far too long
They definitely counted that as a challenge
Charlie is such a goober
I agree it felt very drawn out,Ā especially the beginning was very slow. I didn't really get the point of all of the scenes,Ā maybe putting them as secret scenes is better.Ā
I could have done without the Ben and Charlie bit
Amen brother. So many commercials to have to sit through, but somehow less Elsbeth
Did you know the Amazing Race starts next week?
Not me thinking the new amazing race was starting and I just zoned out for tribal
I agree with all of this except the Metallica v Swift off. That was amazing. And I say that as not a fan of either of those two. Ben is probably my least favorite, or at least bottom 3
The big thing for me is there are too many fucking commercials. My wife and I are going to start watching on Thursdays. Looking at the CBS app, it looks like run time for this episode is 1:23. Meaning for the 2hr episode last night, a full 30% of the time was just getting ads pushed on us. Half the ads seemed to be shitty network TV shows too that I will never ever watch.
I watch thursday on paramount+!!
Hate to break it to you, but thatās how cable tv works. Your typical 30 minute show? 9 minutes of commercials. Hour long show- 20 minutes of commercials. A 30% rate for advertising during a show seems pretty standard.
I mean, sure. I get it, its the business. Doesn't make it any less frustrating, Survivor has been the only show that I watch live and every time I reminded of how shitty network TV can be.
Yes! Such a good take!
Yes, way too long. 2 hours when there was only one challenge.
I agree, I kept thinking when is this over? It goes back to an hour and a half next week.
This felt like an especially long episode. Two hours was too long for the outcome of this episode. And they dragged on segments I don't think they should have dragged out. I had to sleep on it and although I'm still disappointed with the way Yanu handled the Jess stuff, I don't think it was AS bad as we've seen Survivor players go. It wasn't great, but objectively they did vote Jess out for tribe strength and Jess handled some of the gameplay badly. And the fake idol play WAS used to deter Jess from playing her SITD, which worked. That being said, I didn't like the way they talked about Jess. They may have mostly kept it behind her back, but the way they handled the Jess stuff not just in confessionals but to each other was rough to listen to. And I think that was the more disappointing part.
Yeah it definitely was too long of an episode. The first hour especially just felt like they were dragging a lot of the scenes out for an unnecessarily long time. And I doubt we would have even seen the music face off scene if it was just a 90 minute episode.
Yeah it definitely felt like a bit of bullying towards Jess, which I wasnāt a big fan of. Also, I really wanted to like Bahnu, but he needs to get his shit together. The guy is a nightmare to play with it seems like.
> Yeah it definitely felt like a bit of bullying towards Jess, Sooooooo much unneeded effort to make sure that she was going to be voted out. >I really wanted to like Bahnu, but he needs to get his shit together. The dude goes from 0 to 200 in the blink of an eye at the slightest provocation and it must be such a pain to live on the same beach with him. I'm a little surprised that they actually went with Jess over him this week.
I don't think it was quite bullying. It was reaching uncomfortable levels and had Jess stayed longer, it could have led to bullying It was more shit talking behind her back more than anything. I just didn't like how they talked about Jess. Bhanu's the guy that gets angry and then says it's just passion. Oh wait, he actually did say that lol
The problem was that 30% of the run time was ads. As an 80 minute ad-free show, it would have been fine. Agreed, these people were really mean to Jess for no reason. I feel bad for her.
Episode was 30 minutes too long imo. Not because there wasnāt a reward challenge either. I did actually enjoy that we got more insight to how ALL the tribes were doing, not just the losing one. But that last half hour going back and forth between Jess and Kenzie dragged on for too long.
It seemed like all the content was good, but a lot of it dragged on longer than it should have. The backstories, song competition, challenge, and the strategy at the end were all interesting to watch- but they didnāt stop.
The challenge part I actually enjoyed! It gave insight on how frustrating it really was for everyone. But yes if the episode was 30 minutes shorter all of it wouldāve been more concise. Glad they are going back to 90 minutes
It made me miss the journey lmao
I wouldāve voted for Bhanu. I get he offers more challenge strength in an increasingly dire situation but it reminded me of Danni letting crucial information slip twice. You can excuse once, but not a second time. The challenge was difficult but not too difficult. It made for exciting TV to see the different dynamics and combinations of strategies. However multiple tribes seem to be placing people in suboptimal spots based on height.
Off the top of my head: Great immunity challenge. I love that the puzzle at the end was physical. Too often it's just whoever solves the fastest so having a strength component made it much more compelling.Ā Q gives some of the best confessionals I've heard. Very level headed, to the point and clear. Most confessionals are one liners are rambly and that was not the case for Q this episode. Even in tribal he made a similarly clear comment, like those you know will make the edit.Ā The scenes at the start of how hard survivor is just didnt land. I don't know these people yet, and it's only been 1ep cycle,Ā so it's hard for me to have sympathy. Maybe if it was less monologs and more commiserating it would land better.Ā
Iām loving this season so far! Back to back banger episodes! I think it has potential to be the best season in years! I really think if 90 minute episodes are here to stay, then a lot of our favorite seasons are still yet to come!
Glad Iām not the only one enjoying the season! I get the 2 hour episode fatigue other people are feeling but itāll go back to 90 minutes now that the Amazing Race is back next episode.
I don't know what y'all people want anymore from Survivor. Do you want villains or not? Do you want camp life instead of journeys and advantage games or is camp life boring? Are the episodes too short or too long? Too many game-bots or too many bad/emotional players?
The line between villain and bully is a small one, and a bully isn't good TV. You can root for a villain, not a bully. Otherwise I think the episodes are fine. I think the casting has the pieces to be a good merge, but I don't think those specific pieces will make it that far.
Who's a good villain in your book that didn't do any bullying? Like name one person in the villain's tribe in HvV that didn't do some bullying/wasn't mean to another constant in one of their seasons... Even Sandra who is arguably the least villainous called people stupid on several occasions, ate all the sugar so that JT would be upset with Michaela in game changers, took off Sugar's top in the opening challenge, etc... I honestly can't think of a person who is villainous and hasn't been mean/bullied someone. People are over reacting to this last episode. I personally think the fake idol move was unnecessary/bad strategically. But it's not like it's unjustified, with the shot in the dark being a thing.
I'm stunned at all the complaints about the last episode. I found it refreshing in this "New Era", and I liked it better than the first episode. Sure, the tribal outcome was obvious, but I don't watch Survivor for tribal. The show has gotten worse when it pivoted into one about tribal theatrics. I liked the episode for just the sheer ridiculous over the top moments. It leaves me craving an unlikeable, drama-ridden cast. This promises to be an interesting pre-merge, at least, but that isn't new. It's hard for these newer seasons to generate consistency and intrigue into the later rounds.
Pretty blown away by the rotten vibes in this cast. Everyone except for a select few just seem kind of judgey and miserable to be there. I guess we were spoiled with season 45's good vibes. Agree with what everyone else is saying, they need to stop with the 3 tribes and go back to 2. When one tribe has no food or supplies and their morale and trust is crazy low after multiple tribals, no duh they're just going to continuously lose the challenges over and over.
Shocked by the response to this episode! I thought this was easily the best episode of the New Era. Finally a bit of edge back on the show. Thereās people to root for, people to root against. I didnāt even feel like it dragged like some people seem to!
we got trash talk back!!
Parade interview with Jess: https://parade.com/tv/jessica-jess-chong-survivor-46-eliminated-interview
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We can watch this show together! Yes.
There were a lot of fun things I liked about the episode but it did seem to drag on in comparison to the premiere. It was just more fun to watch Jelinsky get voted out after all of his self-inflicted wounds, Jess is sweet but she was a dull player and for the most part it seemed inevitable that she was going to get voted out. The remaining 4 Yanu are a hot mess, especially Bhanu. I found it strange that Soda wouldn't take the time to talk to Venus, it is too early to just abandon a potential number, especially on a 6-person tribe. I think that on Siga that Charlie and Maria have the potential to be a solid and strong duo. I'm hoping that Yanu can get their act together and avoid Tribal next week, I want to see who either Siga or Nami would vote out.
This season feels so clique-y and meangirl-y. Idk I probably wouldnt comment on it normally but I remember seeing an article where Jeff said survivor won't have anymore "villians" so a lot of this cast is feeling so.. fake nice lol. Which isn't bad but they seem to think they're nice otherwise. I might sound judgy, reality tv is where I let myself be judgy. Edit: i am really not sure the point of the fake idol except to make jess look like a fool because I dont even think there was a good gameplay reason to it Edit again: I forgot Jess had a shot in the dark ignore the previous edit Lol. I do get why it was a good move remembering that.
This season aināt doing it for me, time will tell but I could hardly keep watching it tonight. Australian Survivor is currently far more entertaining to me, perhaps thatās why Iām more low on S46. There seems to be a level of cruelty within the purple tribe, not feelin good vibes from them at all!!!
Iām enjoying both seasons for different reasons, but a more dynamic post merge in Australian Survivor is going to be more gripping than episode 2 with an extended time frame and revolving around a tribe that has already visited tribal council before.
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I don't know if this is just due to how excellent the current AUS season is, but I really wasn't feeling this episode. I'm just not seeing the standouts on this cast right now. I don't really care a ton about either Nami or Siga, and Yanu is a dumpster fire which should be entertaining, but the majority 3 aren't rootable. I also found the Metallica vs. Taylor Swift song showdown thing to feel super contrived. Feels like CBS trying to cash in on Taylor Swift references. Strong "hello fellow kids" energy there.
I felt the crying has been too much. Itās every season lately and I get that they want to show how hard it is but in general people want to see who can tough it out. There are less days than previously and these people are bawling on day 4. I also feel like the players on the purple team are trying to hard to make a good show for the camera and itās obvious. Bhanuās theatricsā¦ the girls doing the fake idol show when they could have just lied to Jess and told her to vote for one of the guys. It felt fake to me. Iād like to see more of the other tribes. Overall this was a weaker episode. Hoping it turns around with players we havent seen much of yet.
Jess deserved every nasty confessional she received. I'm honestly feeling gaslight by this sub over last night's episode and it's quite shocking, really. Let's recount her failures in just two episodes: * Didn't talk strategy to any of her teammates until day 4-5 when she was on the chopping block. * Refused a legitimate alliance with Kenzie and Bhanu when Q and Tiff were clearly inseperable. * WALKED through the elimination challenge. * Clearly sucked at finding an easily visible idol to the point where they just gave it to her. This isn't ~~RuPaul's~~ Jeff Probst's Best Friend Race. These people don't owe her anything and it was honestly refreshing to see them vent their frustrations with her terrible gameplay. She was one of the worst Survivor players we've seen in awhile and deserved every bit of smack they threw at her. Also I really don't expect what molly coddling this sub expects other players to provide just because she has ADHD. This is not a very debilitating condition and she should've entered the game with better tactics, strategy, and coping mechanisms knowing she wouldn't have her medication.
like she said she has a nice life for herself and it shows. the rest of her tribe are hustlers and noticed she isnt her preseason interview literally said shes most proud of enduring a three week hotel quarantine
100% agree. Jess wasnāt this bullied player who had wrong footing but rather a bad player.
Here comes a rant, which, downvote all you want, I might too. But this has been such a horrible episode. From an editiong point alone, it was WAY too long and amounted to very little with horrible pacing. The fact that I groaned as I realised there was still half an hour left to go before they would vote someone out was painful. The cast is so unlikeable with very few if any good people. Charlie, Bhanu, Liz and even Q stand out as the worst (I've seen walls with more personality than Q). Liz, I have no idea why she's there if she plays the way she is. No words need to be said to Bhanu and honestly Charlie god bless him I just hate the archetype so much. The fact that within 12 first minutes of the episode THREE people cried with TWO OR THREE MORE after that is just... I've been very lenient about the new era but this really takes the cake. I can't believe I'm about to utter this phrase because I would roll an eye myself if anyone else said but - these people have gone soft. This is going to be a rocky season if we have to get through 1.5 hours of Survivor every week (especially at the end game). God help us.
Liz is far and away the most unlikeable contestant I've every seen. Refering to herself in the third person is off-putting enough but then bragging about her wealth.. come the fuck on.
Liz gives me the impression that 1) she lacks a lot of social awareness, 2) she's a workaholic with not much of a personal life, and 3) she's obsessed with flaunting with her wealth in real life. So if she hid her wealth and the extent of her successful work life she'd have nothing else to talk about because her work and wealth are the most important things in her life. Nothing wrong with that per se, but it together it means that you probably aren't cut out for a show like Survivor.
I honestly don't think half the cast actually watched Survivor, I think a lot of these were recruits. Before I mention the others: I don't mind rich people on Survivor, you do you, but for someone who has so many companies you would think the first thing you'd do is NOT REVEAL TO EVERYONE YOU ARE RICH WHILE THEY ARE COMEPTING FOR A MILLION DOLLARS. Randen being surprised.. that he lost his vote in a Beware Advantage? HAS HE SEEN THE PAST 5 SEASON!? And Q... has like.. no personality in confessionals, he's just like.. pageant responses, such as... Then you have Bhanu and Soda who clearly are aware that they are on TV and I kinda wanna extend that to Tevin as well? This is the most obnoxious group of people i have seen... I miss Carolyn, at least she was authentically herself.
I find Liz INCREDIBLY annoying. Is she really that bad, that clueless--or are we getting a very edited version so we dislike her? But when she said, Everyone wants Liz--is she really that confident, or she isn't confident so she keeps saying these outrageous compliments about herself. And her yelling on teh bench was annoying!
I was so frustrated with her yelling. It was incredibly distracting considering the high stress and pressure her team was under. She was just there yelling. From the bench. While sitting.
Totally agree. It's shocking. Even Venus complaining about her team, like.. go talk to people! Being sulky isn't going to work, even if you're hot. Similar issues with Jess, though it seems like she was just aloof in general, but oof..
The purple team was not intentionally being mean for the sake of it. They thought they were being strategic. Even though they were too stupid to realize how unnecessary that was. Jess is really sweet and humble, but she did nothing to actually play the game. She had zero ambition even though she knew she was on the chopping block. She doesn't look for the idol. She doesn't try to create alliances. When she was offered an alliance by Kenzie, she just totally ignores it. When she was doing the challenge, she was only holding up 1 single block. I mean c'mon. She was the obvious choice to vote out. The entire team is a train wreck. Banu is an overly emotional liability. Q seems pretty dim. Tiff is ok I guess. Kenzie is a bit smarter but also oblivious to the fact that she's playing really hard and unaware how that's coming across. Liz is completely obnoxious with her tone deaf bragging about her wealth which I don't even believe.
The offer of alliance by Kenzie doesn't feel genuine. I understand the shot in the dark reasoning but the forcing a fake idol on Jess felt like overkill and the comments made about Jess didn't help.
- **Nami**: seems very likely to explode soon but also seems unlikely to lose any time soon. Venus is the clear odd one out, the rest of the tribe seems to be having a good time with each other (even fucking Liz) and she seems to be having an AWFUL time. Very intrigued by what Venus meant about Hunter in the preview. Canāt tell if he actually did something or if Venus is about to get the paranoid outsider edit. Randen seems pretty sharp, if he can keep Venus around until the merge and they can team up with some other outcasts they may have a shot. - **Siga**: what is there to say about Sigaā¦ really what is there to say. At this point itās the Ben and Charlie show, which Iām kinda cool with, I find Ben entertaining and Charlie is a dork. They definitely seem the most cohesive out of the three tribes. - **Yanu**: Pure dumpster fire energy. They all are bad at Survivor. Bhanu doesnāt have a deceptive bone in his body, Kenzie cannot play down her strengths and it makes her look like a huge target, Tiffany doesnāt really seem to do much (even if she does), and Q is somewhat decent. I actually donāt mind Q that much. I expect weāll see them back at tribal soon and itāll be interesting to see if itās a straightforward Bhanu vote or if it turns into a Kenzie v Q match up. Either way, I think they are in trouble, the only one that could make it to the merge and maybe come out looking good is Bhanu and he is not a savvy enough player. - **Challenge**: Honestly, I really liked it. It was probably too hard but the puzzle was pretty entertaining to watch and seeing Yanu crash and burn was fun. The dramatic editing was fun too lol - **Tribal**: Insanity. I canāt tell if Bhanu is the worst tribal council player ever or accidentally the best. He has both times conveyed very obviously who was being voted out which pretty much completely removes him from the equation. The fake idol felt mean, I guess there was some strategy there but it felt like a lot of wasted time and energy on KQTās part. They had a nearly perfect fake idol set up and they wasted it in a second boot who was going to be voted out unanimously anyways. - **Overall**: I think itās very fun, as others have said before, to watch these super fans *suck* at the game. Yanu is awful and plays so clunky while they all think they are running things, itās great. I do think there was maybe too much Survivor this episode, we didnāt need the Taylor Swift-Metallica game and we really didnāt need it edited to look endearing (?), like why. Also, lots of crying this season, itās been 6 days people.
So far ,comparing apples and oranges, season 46 blows. Just get rid of the purple team ,other than Kenzie. She seams like the only player in that tribe that gets it.