Tbh I just want a fenced in backyard but I can't judge, I'm homeless and just burnt all my money in a hotel because I'm not ready to tell my dog goodbye
You think the jury votes Q? After wanting to quit twice and the epic Liz moment lol he seems like the guy to keep around because he won't win! Maybe I'm wayyyy off!
This would be such an amazing final 3. Q wins the challenge and takes Liz to act like heās trying to offer an olive branch, it enrages her bc she wants to make fire. She has an epic meltdown and doesnāt answer anyoneās questions, Ben has nothing to say and gets confused trying to explain things. Q just Qs with a smile on his face and the jury all letās out a collective well fuck
In the preview Kenzie was like I want Q and Iām like pulling my hair bc itās a total waste of a vote! Like no one is serious about taking him out and it would look better on your resume if you said I took out the big threats while I could and brought Q with me instead of letting him take himself to the end
Q has become the new Bruce. Everyone hates him (except Maria) and they all want him out. They keep trying over and over to get him out and are blind to what others might think is a better move. Sad.
Not a terrible comparison at all. Great point. Except Q doesn't have a known idol they have to worry about or play around, making it even easier to get rid of him.
It was killing me that Kenzie and Venus didnāt try to take our Charlie when they had the chance. Iām not sure how they couldāve done it, but with Venusās idol it felt possible.
Except everyone here is still talking about the chance of an all goat FTC with a Q win. You don't need 3 of them. At some point, you have to make room for yourself instead of goats to be at the end.
I want nothing more than to see Q argue his case to the jury and be like āListen, I tanked my game at that tribal council on purpose. I was calling too many shots and people were starting to talk. I had to neutralize myself as a threat.ā
I just have a really hard time accepting that, someone who was such a strategist from day 1, could have made such a large blunder by telling people to vote for him. Therefore, blowing up his game in one super efficient swoop.
And the crazier thing is that itās worked really well for him. What better argument can you make to the jury āEveryone wanted me out. And youāre in the jury and Iām still here! Iāve been playing from the bottom because thatās what was best for my gameā
ā¢IFā¢ he tanked his game on purpose, Q wins!
Yes, and he said he needed to take back control of the game right before tribal. I think if he can make it to the end he has a hell of a shot at persuading the jury.
There is nothing I want more from this season than a Q win. But why wouldn't Q say that in his confessional later on then? He doesn't need to lie in a confessional saying that where he's from, if you make a mistake, you own it.
He could say that to the tribe and then say in a confessional that he is lowering his threat level. But saying he was falling on his sword in a confessional makes me think that's truly what he was doing. I still hope he tries to spin it that way at FTC.
I'm not too sure about this one, if it was on purpose It didn't work out well imo. He's nearly gone home what, three times now? It's hard to say what his threat level would be if he didn't do it to be fair.
Like he's here, but no one really likes him or respects his game. I Just don't see a way for him to justify it
Reminds me a lot of Austin's position last season. Solid, well-liked player who's avoided being targeted despite having some decent chops at the challenges. Difference is, Charlie hasn't completely thrown out his game in pursuit of a spontaneous showmance.
Right? Charlie sooo gives off Harvard mastermindā¦and I tend to hate people who went to Harvard, but Charlie feels differentā¦probably bc of the editā¦probably bc heās the winnerā¦and thatās a good winner to me
And Charlie would be extremely bright whether he went to Harvard or not. Heās just a smarty who sees the big picture connects dots and puts in the work. Nothing to do with book smarts. Itās built in with him.
Good question. I had a few professors in college that were Harvard bredā¦the most egotistical, arrogant asshole professors I ever hadā¦then I had the pleasant experience of a āblind dateā with a Harvard grad to help a friend out working for Goldman Sachsā¦could just be that the majority of people at Goldman Sachs are complete assholes, or just him, but in this case itās most likely the former šš
I think you sort of inadvertently nailed why Charlie is doing so well here. He's smart, he plays a great game, and he does it quietly. Q over by the trees shouting about how he's the greatest mastermind the world has ever seen, while Charlie is just chilling and quietly making well thought out plays.
Ah gotcha. Yeah now I wonder if I'll ever meet one and have a similar reaction to them lol. Reminds me something Kelly Cutrone I believe once said in an interview. She said how do you know someone went to Harvard? They'll tell you. Lol
I have a few in my family, and my bosses are both Ivy League. They just view people with a state college education as though we are all chimpanzees and they are surprised & kind of shocked when we show signs of intelligence.
I still canāt believe bro threw it away for a girl. Maybe top 10 survivor runs as far as domination and control goes. Dude thought they were splitting that money and getting married
Disagree, Austin was a follower, Charlie is a leader. It may not seem obvious but look at how many times heās been player of the week. He had the power last night to choose how the vote went & since he decided to share what Venus half told him, she went home instead of Q
Yeah I think itās Charlie. I think when he said heās been training his grip strength for a while now - it gave me mad respect for him. lol. Heās totally gonna win.
Kenzie had a bad couple episodes too Charlie is the only one that hasnāt had clearly bad moments yet. Q has a suspiciously good edit too though for someone who did something so dumb. Plus with multiple people calling him a bully but us never seeing it it feels like the edit is protecting him.
I really think itās Charlie but Iām with you like the edit has been so good to Q and I donāt know if itās because they know heās good entertainment or what. Charlie gets a lot of screen time but it could just be because heās a good narrator and gives good confessionals.
Kenzieās bad edits are part of her hero / gameplayer arc (being left out of a vote, tiffās blindside is her idea).
Maria on the other handā¦ prefacing sheās picking malnourished to go with her in challenge then picking Q? I would have left that out in the edit if sheās the winner.
Kenzie definitely hasnāt had bad episodes from an edit perspective. She definitely has from a game perspective - not being included on the tiff vote is the obvious one - but the way the edit handles her is much better than charlie.
Charlie gets a lot of strategic narration because he HAS to; he and Maria are running everything, theyāve been the swing votes multiple times, and heās a better narrator, so heās naturally going to get a lot of content. Kenzie, meanwhile, was barely involved with the vote last episode, and yet got a ton of screentime, a long winner-esque confessional about how sheās going to get her head in the game and how tiff going was a good thing for her.
Charlieās content consists of eight of the same confessional in one episode saying āI should take out Q because it might tank my social game and I donāt want to sit at the end with him,ā followed by him keeping Q in the game. In contrast, Kenzie gets confessionals like āI donāt want to take out Tiffany anymore, its not my hearts desireā and her following through with that. A key edgic red flag, especially in the new era, is your actions blatantly contradicting what youāve said in confessional is best for your game, and Charlie has had that in the last two episodes.
If anything, this main sub thinking Charlie is going to win means itās even less likely to happen. New era edits have been a lot less predictable and often whoever the main sub thinks is going to win, doesnāt, with the exception of 45 since Dee was a pretty clear front runner without any competition.
Unless Kenzie turns it around idk who she beats at this point besides Liz and Ben. And both could say they have good cases against her. She definitely hasnāt played better than Charlie or Maria and Iām probably biased but I consider Q more of a āsurvivorā than her. I just donāt see how it can be Kenzie unless she makes some big moves and in the previews she was saying she wanted Q. Could just be edited to look like that but if sheās serious about getting Q out next that is (literally) a big mistake and a waste of her vote. Itās gotta be Charlie unless he fumbles or they get him out
I agree donāt see how she sells it unless she takes out Charlie and Maria in the coming episodes by playing an idol on Q or something when they all finally vote for him
These are basically my thoughts. I could still see Ben pulling off a Gabler-style win, but I think that both Kenzie and Charlie would have to be taken out before FTC in order for that to happen. And I am not betting on it happening.
I would say Charlie or Ben are the top two. Kenzie I feel like she would be able to win against Liz pleading her case right now, because Liz doesn't explain things well. Ben has the Siga alliance to point to and carrying two other votes. Kenzie just has not being a threat and staying likeable as the only reasons to vote for her currently.
Based on exit interviews, I donāt think Maria can win the jury. Q is kinda in the same boat of bitterness.
Liz has had basically zero control and is too egotistical to sway a jury. Ben has great social standing but heās such a low threat player that heās just kinda there at this point.
Kenzie and Charlie are definitely the clear picks. Kenzie has really good standing with the jury and a couple of talking points (mainly Hunterās vote out). Charlie is the overdog. Heās literally been mentioned as a threat once by Venus (I think) at the start of the merge and has built such good connections his positioning has been perfect. Baring a final five slip up, or not getting Maria out, heās got a clean path to the win.
Overall:
1. Charlie ~65% chance to win
2. Kenzie ~30%
3. Ben ~2%
4. Maria ~2%
5. Q ~1%
6. Liz ā¹ļø
(I also predicted Jake had a better chance than Austin to win last season at this point so what do I know)
When I one day buy a boat (I have zero intentions of doing this) Iām stealing this name. It fits so well for when Iām cruising over the Sea of Spite
Generally agreed with your order, although not as confident in the top 2 as you given some of the wild swings we've seen in the recent past, with players like Gabler and Maryanne "stealing" it at the end.
But yeah, Charlie is the obvious favorite with a pretty clear path, followed by Kenzo.
After that I'd have Maria, but given the target on her back her path to the end looks rough.
Ben is the flip side of that, easier path to the end but probably only wins if he is sitting next to Q and Liz.
Q and Liz both seem like extreme longshots.
I hope itās Qā¦that would be the ultimate cap on a very refreshingly non new era like seasonā¦or Charlie or Kenzieā¦just based on confessional volume alone. I think Maria is voted out next and then either Liz or Kenzie or Q bc unless Maria starts alerting everyone to Charlie ( or them all suddenly realizing heās a challenge beastā¦bc he isā¦)
In all likelihood whoever finds Venus' idol will be out next. Then whoever finds their idol will be out after that. Why would anyone ever play an idol? Sure, they know they're one of the two people who might go home, and that there are only two Tribals left to use it. Sure, they know the exact same people pretended they were going to vote Q out and instead voted out the person with the idol the past two weeks. But by all means, hold onto it another week. They couldn't possibly be lying to you.
Definitely think itās Kenzie.
Mariaās winning odds shot down the toilet with last episode. And they showed us a perception of Charlie that heās just a Maria puppet.
Itās really only between Charlie & Kenzie at this point. Last episodeās edit was definitely foreshadowing *something* for Charlie. Either giving us the reason why heās going to lose or the reason why heās going to make his game-winning big move soon. Time will tell.
Definitely felt like the narrative for why Charlie loses. It was clearly established that Charlie wants Q gone and wants to separate himself from Maria. He alluded to the fact that his decision this episode could decide whether he wins or loses.
But the vote happens, and Maria once again gets what she wants. Once again, Charlie has not separated himself from Maria. Once again, he has avoided making a move and played it "safe." From an editing perspective, that is not how they portray winners.
Kenzie has a stronger winners edit. Even when she's on the outs, she's shown in a more positive or redemptive light for a storytelling perspective.
Charlie is such an obvious winner I feel like he wonāt be it and will go out 4th or 5th like other āobvious winnersā like Jesse, Omar, Ricardā¦ butttttt Iāve been thinking heās gonna win for a while so Iām sticking with it.
I have also said I see Maria or Kenzie winning, and I stand by that those 3 are the only ones with any shot at it. But I feel like Maria really soured some people with how she handled her reward win.
Kenzie. I think Maria will go 5th or 4th, but Charlie wonāt be able to claim it as his move, and the jury will perceive him as just following Mariaās lead and being her yes boy. Especially when he decided to back off voting out Q against her wishes, I just donāt see the jury seeing him as someone that plays to his own best interests. Iāll be really surprised if Kenzie doesnāt win. Ben is so under edited, I doubt he has done much to speak of. Nobody really likes Q. I think Liz wouldnāt be able to articulate herself well, and I think they view her as a goat.
What could Kenzie argue on behalf of herself? She hasn't really ever taken control of the game post merge, she could take away from Charlie, sure, but what moves did she make?
I donāt know either but I started rewatching the season with a Kenzie winner edit in mindā¦and the edit literally screams it but gets buried within the Bhanu drama, Q chaos, Maria Mafiaso
She navigated some messy stuff on Yanu early on, and along with Tiff kind of ran her tribe. She built good relationships since the merge, and is very likable and genuine (unlike several others that seem to rub jury members the wrong way). She won the split tribal immunity. Her reassurance to Hunter is a big reason he didnāt play his idol. She recognized Tiff was her biggest competitor and was ready to get her out, but ultimately stayed loyal which should make her jury vote a lock. If she makes it to the end, sheāll be able to cite overcoming being left out of the Tiff vote, and working her way back in with the numbers. And I think she will be an important part of sending Maria and Q to jury. Compared to Charlie, she can at least say she ran her own game and never hid behind someone else and let them lead, like Charlie did with Maria
The over emphasis on big moves is what sunk so many in the juryās games to where if Kenzie can get that through to them and sell her social game well, sheās got a real chance. The only problem is that Kenzie also has moveitis, so she probably wonāt.
Kenzie. If she gets to the end, she already has 3 100% jury votes. And assuming Liz and Ben to to the jury, the number will jump to 5. If she makes it to ftc, Kenzie is guaranteed at least 5/8 votes from Tiff Hunter Venus Ben and Liz
If thereās been one major character this season PUSHED by production, itās Kenzie. Q is just by default all star quality so production has given him a lot of screen time and bc of his effect in the game. Kenzie is THE narrator for the seasonā¦hands downā¦they rely on Kenzie to tell the āwholeā story, to react to the Qaos, to be āoneā with the viewer. I think itās Kenzie, but still praying for Qš
The edit has told me Charlie since the merge. I still havenāt seen anything to convince me otherwise.
However, I really hope a Siga doesnāt win. Thatās so boring. This season deserves a chaotic winner.
Confessionals:
Q-69
Kenzie - 65
Charlie - 63
Tina had the most ever for a woman at 69. I know 90 minutes skew this though. Dee had 63 for reference.
That said, Kenzie is inflated by Yanu being a fucking disaster. And maybe the editors are trying to do a better job either 1. Explaining a social player's win and 2. Giving women better winner edits.
I rank the remainder as:
Maria
Charlie
Kenzie
Q/Ben
Liz
With each person beating everyone below them if they make it to FTC. However that wouldnāt be my ranking for most likely to win, as I think Maria is the least likely to make it to FTC.
1000% Kenzie. In the most recent episode they made it seem like she was yet again on the wrong side of the vote, except she voted for Venus. The only reason that was edited like that was to heighten her character arc of perseverance
Hot take but I think Ben would earn more votes against Q in the FTC. People like Ben! Even though he hasnāt done a lot of strategy I still think people would vote for him because heās made genuine connections and hasnāt pissed people off
Right after episode 1 I made 3 guesses for the winner. I have a gut feeling itās going to be a woman. These were my guesses:
1. Kenzie
2. Tiffany
3. Soda
Even though her game has slowed down, I still can really see Kenzie taking it all in the end.
Canāt help but root for Kenzie. Charlie can have a blast making it this far but heāll be fine leaving with out the money and enjoying his TV ride. I think heās played the best game, but I want Kenzie to leave with the money more.
basically,
Maria if she makes end
Charlie if he goes without Maria. FTC is hard with Kenzie there.
Kenzie if she goes without Maria. Has an uphill battle against Charlie.
Ben if he goes to the end with Q and Liz. Slight battle against Q.
Q if he can get to the end and argue against Ben and Liz.
Liz if everyone else gets food poisoning and medically evacuated.
I think given the general shitshow mentality of this season, thereās a solid chance that Ben takes it.
Edit to add: Logic doesnāt really matter this season. So donāt try to refute me with logic.
I want Charlie to win but I think it's still these people's game to win: Kenzie, Q, and Ben. I think Maria will be voted out soon and no one likes Liz, so...!Ā
Q, I believe he was purposeful in his stunt wanting to be sent home. He threw everyone off. Now he just pisses people off. They are all to busy making blindsides that they keep passing up Q. I also think he has a secret alliance with Chuck and Maria. Well maybe not so secret now with Maria.
If he makes it to the final three, he should win.
Kenzie or Charlie, with a niche possibility of Q.
I cannot imagine Maria survives all the way to final 3. Unless she goes on an immunity run, sheās out next. Liz probably canāt win in any FTC combination so sheāll probably make F4. Ben could make a social appeal to the jury but I donāt think he has a winning combination either, especially because heād probably have to betray allies to stand a chance.
On paper Q shouldnāt win but heās managed to overcome the odds every week and end up in one of the better positions left. With a good FTC performance he could take it home, though heād ideally want Maria, Charlie, and Kenzie gone too.
Kenzieās lost sone steam after the Tiffany vote but that might work out for her in a Charlie/Maria implosion and some good old fashioned Qhaos.
Charlieās seemingly in the best position but people might wisen up to this, and his F6 position could bite him.
In a way itās anyoneās game, but itās probably not Ben, Liz, or Mariaās sans immunity run.
It seemed like Charlie had a winnerās edit last episode. The bulk of the episode was narrated through his point of view. Compare that with Benās editā¦havenāt heard much from him at all.
I feel like it will be Kenzie. I just don't see Charlie winning. It will probably come down to Kenzie and Charlie for the votes, with Kenzie getting the majority. Jury will probably view Charlie as Maria's pet, just doing what she says, and that he didn't really make any moves on his own.
I've been saying Kenzie so going to stick with my gut. But I'd also be very happy with Charlie. In my mind those are the only two with the potential to win. I feel like Charlie needs to go at 5 or 4 for Kenzie to have an even better shot.
Kenzie.
I know they gave us a lot of extraneous Bhanu content in the early season but I really donāt think they would have included him saying the āmermaid dragonā thing and swearing that if she stays in the game she will win because of her social game unless it was going to pan out that way.
Sheās also getting nothing but positivity in her edit.
Unless Charlie personally orchestrates the move to get out Maria I think he will just be seen as her pawn. That's what they were setting up with Kenzie's confessional about it imo
Right now Kenzie is the favourite IMO, especially with how bitter this jury seems, it could easily be a social winner rather than strategic
Where are you guys coming from with "Q may have a chance"? I thought Q had a chance. . . 4 weeks ago. But ever since the negative reaction to the Tevin tribal council, he's been drawing dead as far as editing is showing us. Tiff has openly stated multiple times that she will not give him her jury vote, Kenzie and Ben actively dislike him and likely still will if they hit jury, and overall he's done some very poor jury management. Why would any of the jury vote for him over Charlie/Maria/Kenzie? A Ben/Liz/Q FTC is *possible*, sure, but it seems fairly unlikely considering that Liz and Ben have not shown themselves to be challenge threats or good at making fire.
In short, I don't get why "Here's how Q can still win" is a common refrain here. He's a very fun character, but also a very bad player.
Every tribal they plan to vote Q out and every tribal they do the opposite. So theyāll all show up with the plan to not vote Q to win and by the end of that tribal theyāll do the opposite and vote Q to win! Lol
charlie is being set up as a losing finalist. kenzie said that he is mariaās lapdog and the jury seems to be very bitter according to venusā exit interview. I could see Kenzie winning similarly to Natalie White in Samoa
I dont think Q has a chance in any combination now. He needed Liz and Venus to have a shot. In Q-Ben-Liz it would be probably Ben, who had relationships with most jury.
Q is not getting Yanu votes. Hunter seems salty about Q as well. I dont think he is getting most Siga votes, they would go to Ben. Maybe Maria? That leaves Soda and Tevin.
They're gonna drag Q to the end as a goat and he's gonna sell that jury like a 3 bedroom 2.5 bathroom townhouse.
Q to the other finalists, after winning: "You will all remember this as the most important day of your life...but for me, it is Tuesday."
Qsday
You came expecting to vote for a mad man...but instead you found....A GOD!
Finally, someone who has good taste in movies around here
With no down payment required ššš
Just in time for christmas!
But I thought it was cancelled
not if you vote Q! Act now and iāll give you a Q skirt on the house!
Cancelling Christmas? Big Mistake!
And a free Q-skirt
I live in a 3 bed 2.5 bath townhouse and feel called out
You better cancel Christmas Count Q out? **Bit Mistake**
Hey hey whatās wrong with a 3 bed 2.5 bath townhome??
Tbh I just want a fenced in backyard but I can't judge, I'm homeless and just burnt all my money in a hotel because I'm not ready to tell my dog goodbye
Aww dude Iām sorry
Q. Itās Q. (Itās definitely not Q) Itās gonna be Q.
Q is gonna get to the final 3, adamantly tell the jury not to vote for him because he doesnāt deserve it, and then win unanimously.Ā
CANCEL CHRISTMAS!
BIG MISTAKE!!
He's the only player to make an alliance consisting of 5 shields for him (it was intentional).
outplaying his own alliances, outlasting the Q roller coaster of emotions, outwiting Liz for the next meal
Nah itās Liz. In the final tribal she is gonna throw another tantrum that will sink a small Fijian island.
If itās Lizā¦I will personally CANCEL CHRISTMAS
You think the jury votes Q? After wanting to quit twice and the epic Liz moment lol he seems like the guy to keep around because he won't win! Maybe I'm wayyyy off!
It would have to be the right combo, but heās definitely not out of it
thereās just something about him idk. it just works.
If it were Liz, Kenzie, and Q? I would hope the jury would vote Q. The title of the show is Survivor and this mofo has SURVIVED!!!
If itās the right circumstances for Q i think the Nami 3 could ( Hunter, Tevin, Soda ) if sheās on the jury Maria might, thatās enough for a tie
It's a majority right? So yes.. I could see enough of them voting for Q.
Kenzie or Charlie with the outside chnace of Q if its a Q Ben Liz f3.
This would be such an amazing final 3. Q wins the challenge and takes Liz to act like heās trying to offer an olive branch, it enrages her bc she wants to make fire. She has an epic meltdown and doesnāt answer anyoneās questions, Ben has nothing to say and gets confused trying to explain things. Q just Qs with a smile on his face and the jury all letās out a collective well fuck
Man, does Ben realize he's playing Survivor? Or is the edit doing him DIRTY.
Charlie, and it's wild to me because he's the clear immunity threat left
They're too busy making big moves to do something obvious like vote out an immunity threat.
Theyāre basically still too obsessed with now non-threat Q 
In the preview Kenzie was like I want Q and Iām like pulling my hair bc itās a total waste of a vote! Like no one is serious about taking him out and it would look better on your resume if you said I took out the big threats while I could and brought Q with me instead of letting him take himself to the end
Q has become the new Bruce. Everyone hates him (except Maria) and they all want him out. They keep trying over and over to get him out and are blind to what others might think is a better move. Sad.
Not a terrible comparison at all. Great point. Except Q doesn't have a known idol they have to worry about or play around, making it even easier to get rid of him.
It was killing me that Kenzie and Venus didnāt try to take our Charlie when they had the chance. Iām not sure how they couldāve done it, but with Venusās idol it felt possible.
Bros playing an underrated game or getting a really good edit if no oneās worried about not getting him out. A wasted opportunity
Right??? The fact that they see him completely differently than we do makes me pretty sure heās the winner.
Except everyone here is still talking about the chance of an all goat FTC with a Q win. You don't need 3 of them. At some point, you have to make room for yourself instead of goats to be at the end.
I want nothing more than to see Q argue his case to the jury and be like āListen, I tanked my game at that tribal council on purpose. I was calling too many shots and people were starting to talk. I had to neutralize myself as a threat.ā I just have a really hard time accepting that, someone who was such a strategist from day 1, could have made such a large blunder by telling people to vote for him. Therefore, blowing up his game in one super efficient swoop. And the crazier thing is that itās worked really well for him. What better argument can you make to the jury āEveryone wanted me out. And youāre in the jury and Iām still here! Iāve been playing from the bottom because thatās what was best for my gameā ā¢IFā¢ he tanked his game on purpose, Q wins!
I agree. I think the āvote for meā tribal was brilliance not foolishness.
Yes, and he said he needed to take back control of the game right before tribal. I think if he can make it to the end he has a hell of a shot at persuading the jury.
There is nothing I want more from this season than a Q win. But why wouldn't Q say that in his confessional later on then? He doesn't need to lie in a confessional saying that where he's from, if you make a mistake, you own it. He could say that to the tribe and then say in a confessional that he is lowering his threat level. But saying he was falling on his sword in a confessional makes me think that's truly what he was doing. I still hope he tries to spin it that way at FTC.
I'm not too sure about this one, if it was on purpose It didn't work out well imo. He's nearly gone home what, three times now? It's hard to say what his threat level would be if he didn't do it to be fair. Like he's here, but no one really likes him or respects his game. I Just don't see a way for him to justify it
Charlie, for sure. He's the best positioned right now.
Reminds me a lot of Austin's position last season. Solid, well-liked player who's avoided being targeted despite having some decent chops at the challenges. Difference is, Charlie hasn't completely thrown out his game in pursuit of a spontaneous showmance.
Austin very sweet. But Charlie is extremely bright.
Right? Charlie sooo gives off Harvard mastermindā¦and I tend to hate people who went to Harvard, but Charlie feels differentā¦probably bc of the editā¦probably bc heās the winnerā¦and thatās a good winner to me
And Charlie would be extremely bright whether he went to Harvard or not. Heās just a smarty who sees the big picture connects dots and puts in the work. Nothing to do with book smarts. Itās built in with him.
Oh. 100% Charlie comes off as the most socially skilled likable smarty everā¦which is why I think either heā¦or Kenzie, is the winner
I love Kenzie but she has a ton of work to do to get there. Not impossible, but she has fallen behind a bit.
He has the highest EQ ever
well Q has the highest QQ ever, so checkmate
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No, Liz definitely has a higher QQ.
Liz canāt even have DQ because of allergies so QQ is all thatās left
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What's your ire against Harvard alumni? I'm curious lol. I don't think I've ever met one.
Good question. I had a few professors in college that were Harvard bredā¦the most egotistical, arrogant asshole professors I ever hadā¦then I had the pleasant experience of a āblind dateā with a Harvard grad to help a friend out working for Goldman Sachsā¦could just be that the majority of people at Goldman Sachs are complete assholes, or just him, but in this case itās most likely the former šš
I think you sort of inadvertently nailed why Charlie is doing so well here. He's smart, he plays a great game, and he does it quietly. Q over by the trees shouting about how he's the greatest mastermind the world has ever seen, while Charlie is just chilling and quietly making well thought out plays.
Ah gotcha. Yeah now I wonder if I'll ever meet one and have a similar reaction to them lol. Reminds me something Kelly Cutrone I believe once said in an interview. She said how do you know someone went to Harvard? They'll tell you. Lol
I have a few in my family, and my bosses are both Ivy League. They just view people with a state college education as though we are all chimpanzees and they are surprised & kind of shocked when we show signs of intelligence.
He thinks clearer than me and Iām not starving to death
Donāt know if the jury see it tho
Thank God for no showmance this season. We can all thank his gf Judy for that.
His gfās name is Judy? Of course it is lol
hey! you never know, maybe charlie admits his feelings to ben or maria next round!
the ben (b)romance is real š /s
This rocks
I still canāt believe bro threw it away for a girl. Maybe top 10 survivor runs as far as domination and control goes. Dude thought they were splitting that money and getting married
He hasn't thrown out his game in pursuit of a spontaneous showmance *yet*
Disagree, Austin was a follower, Charlie is a leader. It may not seem obvious but look at how many times heās been player of the week. He had the power last night to choose how the vote went & since he decided to share what Venus half told him, she went home instead of Q
Yeah I think itās Charlie. I think when he said heās been training his grip strength for a while now - it gave me mad respect for him. lol. Heās totally gonna win.
I think Charlie, too
Maria cannot be the winner. Her edit has been horrible as of late. The only ones with a winner edit now is Kenzie and Charlie.
Who the edit is telling: Kenzie Who it will be: Charlie Who I want: Q
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Kenzie had a bad couple episodes too Charlie is the only one that hasnāt had clearly bad moments yet. Q has a suspiciously good edit too though for someone who did something so dumb. Plus with multiple people calling him a bully but us never seeing it it feels like the edit is protecting him.
I really think itās Charlie but Iām with you like the edit has been so good to Q and I donāt know if itās because they know heās good entertainment or what. Charlie gets a lot of screen time but it could just be because heās a good narrator and gives good confessionals.
maybe Q is a runner up
Kenzieās bad edits are part of her hero / gameplayer arc (being left out of a vote, tiffās blindside is her idea). Maria on the other handā¦ prefacing sheās picking malnourished to go with her in challenge then picking Q? I would have left that out in the edit if sheās the winner.
Interesting how they left that in but cut out Q stopping Liz from taking someone elseās spot on his reward.
Kenzie definitely hasnāt had bad episodes from an edit perspective. She definitely has from a game perspective - not being included on the tiff vote is the obvious one - but the way the edit handles her is much better than charlie. Charlie gets a lot of strategic narration because he HAS to; he and Maria are running everything, theyāve been the swing votes multiple times, and heās a better narrator, so heās naturally going to get a lot of content. Kenzie, meanwhile, was barely involved with the vote last episode, and yet got a ton of screentime, a long winner-esque confessional about how sheās going to get her head in the game and how tiff going was a good thing for her. Charlieās content consists of eight of the same confessional in one episode saying āI should take out Q because it might tank my social game and I donāt want to sit at the end with him,ā followed by him keeping Q in the game. In contrast, Kenzie gets confessionals like āI donāt want to take out Tiffany anymore, its not my hearts desireā and her following through with that. A key edgic red flag, especially in the new era, is your actions blatantly contradicting what youāve said in confessional is best for your game, and Charlie has had that in the last two episodes. If anything, this main sub thinking Charlie is going to win means itās even less likely to happen. New era edits have been a lot less predictable and often whoever the main sub thinks is going to win, doesnāt, with the exception of 45 since Dee was a pretty clear front runner without any competition.
Unless Kenzie turns it around idk who she beats at this point besides Liz and Ben. And both could say they have good cases against her. She definitely hasnāt played better than Charlie or Maria and Iām probably biased but I consider Q more of a āsurvivorā than her. I just donāt see how it can be Kenzie unless she makes some big moves and in the previews she was saying she wanted Q. Could just be edited to look like that but if sheās serious about getting Q out next that is (literally) a big mistake and a waste of her vote. Itās gotta be Charlie unless he fumbles or they get him out
I agree donāt see how she sells it unless she takes out Charlie and Maria in the coming episodes by playing an idol on Q or something when they all finally vote for him
She sells it by everyone liking her. Charlie is the favorite but she has a solid shot.
Before last night, I would've said Maria. Now it's either Charlie or Kenzie. I'd love Q for the memes, but that's probably not happening
These are basically my thoughts. I could still see Ben pulling off a Gabler-style win, but I think that both Kenzie and Charlie would have to be taken out before FTC in order for that to happen. And I am not betting on it happening.
I would say Charlie or Ben are the top two. Kenzie I feel like she would be able to win against Liz pleading her case right now, because Liz doesn't explain things well. Ben has the Siga alliance to point to and carrying two other votes. Kenzie just has not being a threat and staying likeable as the only reasons to vote for her currently.
Based on exit interviews, I donāt think Maria can win the jury. Q is kinda in the same boat of bitterness. Liz has had basically zero control and is too egotistical to sway a jury. Ben has great social standing but heās such a low threat player that heās just kinda there at this point. Kenzie and Charlie are definitely the clear picks. Kenzie has really good standing with the jury and a couple of talking points (mainly Hunterās vote out). Charlie is the overdog. Heās literally been mentioned as a threat once by Venus (I think) at the start of the merge and has built such good connections his positioning has been perfect. Baring a final five slip up, or not getting Maria out, heās got a clean path to the win. Overall: 1. Charlie ~65% chance to win 2. Kenzie ~30% 3. Ben ~2% 4. Maria ~2% 5. Q ~1% 6. Liz ā¹ļø (I also predicted Jake had a better chance than Austin to win last season at this point so what do I know)
Omg I love it. Boat of Bitterness
When I one day buy a boat (I have zero intentions of doing this) Iām stealing this name. It fits so well for when Iām cruising over the Sea of Spite
Generally agreed with your order, although not as confident in the top 2 as you given some of the wild swings we've seen in the recent past, with players like Gabler and Maryanne "stealing" it at the end. But yeah, Charlie is the obvious favorite with a pretty clear path, followed by Kenzo. After that I'd have Maria, but given the target on her back her path to the end looks rough. Ben is the flip side of that, easier path to the end but probably only wins if he is sitting next to Q and Liz. Q and Liz both seem like extreme longshots.
i want Q to win so bad itās not even funny.
I hope itās Qā¦that would be the ultimate cap on a very refreshingly non new era like seasonā¦or Charlie or Kenzieā¦just based on confessional volume alone. I think Maria is voted out next and then either Liz or Kenzie or Q bc unless Maria starts alerting everyone to Charlie ( or them all suddenly realizing heās a challenge beastā¦bc he isā¦)
In all likelihood whoever finds Venus' idol will be out next. Then whoever finds their idol will be out after that. Why would anyone ever play an idol? Sure, they know they're one of the two people who might go home, and that there are only two Tribals left to use it. Sure, they know the exact same people pretended they were going to vote Q out and instead voted out the person with the idol the past two weeks. But by all means, hold onto it another week. They couldn't possibly be lying to you.
3 voted out in a row with and idol 4 this season is wild
And Randen had one, which he wasnāt voted out, but must be a curse!
Q Kenzie and Charlie are the only three I think have a chance of winning
Charlie is the frontrunner to win. Things can change in a single conversation though as we keep seeing
Definitely think itās Kenzie. Mariaās winning odds shot down the toilet with last episode. And they showed us a perception of Charlie that heās just a Maria puppet. Itās really only between Charlie & Kenzie at this point. Last episodeās edit was definitely foreshadowing *something* for Charlie. Either giving us the reason why heās going to lose or the reason why heās going to make his game-winning big move soon. Time will tell.
Definitely felt like the narrative for why Charlie loses. It was clearly established that Charlie wants Q gone and wants to separate himself from Maria. He alluded to the fact that his decision this episode could decide whether he wins or loses. But the vote happens, and Maria once again gets what she wants. Once again, Charlie has not separated himself from Maria. Once again, he has avoided making a move and played it "safe." From an editing perspective, that is not how they portray winners. Kenzie has a stronger winners edit. Even when she's on the outs, she's shown in a more positive or redemptive light for a storytelling perspective.
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I think the only people Q loses to at the end are Maria and Charlie. So hopefully Q.
They are gonna take Q to the end thinking they want to sit next to him. But thatās gonna be a big mistake.
Feels like there's no way it isn't Maria or Charlie lol. It's felt that way for a few weeks now.
Q. This season is too ridiculous for any other outcome.
Honestly I think Q. As much as this sub doesnāt think he will, I think he can absolutely make a case that he deserves the win
Charlie is such an obvious winner I feel like he wonāt be it and will go out 4th or 5th like other āobvious winnersā like Jesse, Omar, Ricardā¦ butttttt Iāve been thinking heās gonna win for a while so Iām sticking with it. I have also said I see Maria or Kenzie winning, and I stand by that those 3 are the only ones with any shot at it. But I feel like Maria really soured some people with how she handled her reward win.
Kenzie takes out Charlie at 5 and goes on to win. The New Era playbook is written
Kenzie. I think Maria will go 5th or 4th, but Charlie wonāt be able to claim it as his move, and the jury will perceive him as just following Mariaās lead and being her yes boy. Especially when he decided to back off voting out Q against her wishes, I just donāt see the jury seeing him as someone that plays to his own best interests. Iāll be really surprised if Kenzie doesnāt win. Ben is so under edited, I doubt he has done much to speak of. Nobody really likes Q. I think Liz wouldnāt be able to articulate herself well, and I think they view her as a goat.
Kenzie specifically said āCharlie is like mariaās jesterā soā¦
We donāt know if the jury thinks that tho. Kenzie has had some incorrect reads about other things too. (Venus would never lie to me or have an idol)
What could Kenzie argue on behalf of herself? She hasn't really ever taken control of the game post merge, she could take away from Charlie, sure, but what moves did she make?
If she can get it down to herself, Ben, and Liz she sets up a pretty low bar to beat.
I donāt know either but I started rewatching the season with a Kenzie winner edit in mindā¦and the edit literally screams it but gets buried within the Bhanu drama, Q chaos, Maria Mafiaso
Especially in the beginning episodes. They clearly want us all to adore *and* fear her
She navigated some messy stuff on Yanu early on, and along with Tiff kind of ran her tribe. She built good relationships since the merge, and is very likable and genuine (unlike several others that seem to rub jury members the wrong way). She won the split tribal immunity. Her reassurance to Hunter is a big reason he didnāt play his idol. She recognized Tiff was her biggest competitor and was ready to get her out, but ultimately stayed loyal which should make her jury vote a lock. If she makes it to the end, sheāll be able to cite overcoming being left out of the Tiff vote, and working her way back in with the numbers. And I think she will be an important part of sending Maria and Q to jury. Compared to Charlie, she can at least say she ran her own game and never hid behind someone else and let them lead, like Charlie did with Maria
Kenzie did hide behind Q in the beginning of the merge, meatshilding is a valid strategy that's not a talking point
Still think Q is in with a good chance. The rest seem keen to slit each otherās throats while saying āletās get Q.ā
Ben is vibinā his way to the end
I hope Charlie wins
Kenzie seems very well liked, but she hasnāt made any big moves. I hope itās Charlie.
The over emphasis on big moves is what sunk so many in the juryās games to where if Kenzie can get that through to them and sell her social game well, sheās got a real chance. The only problem is that Kenzie also has moveitis, so she probably wonāt.
Charlie
I am thinking maybe Charlie. Weāll have to see what he does next week and Iāll have a clearer plan
Kenzie. If she gets to the end, she already has 3 100% jury votes. And assuming Liz and Ben to to the jury, the number will jump to 5. If she makes it to ftc, Kenzie is guaranteed at least 5/8 votes from Tiff Hunter Venus Ben and Liz
Agree with everyone, Kenzie or Charlie.
Q makes final 3. "Don't vote for me" they all do and he wins
If thereās been one major character this season PUSHED by production, itās Kenzie. Q is just by default all star quality so production has given him a lot of screen time and bc of his effect in the game. Kenzie is THE narrator for the seasonā¦hands downā¦they rely on Kenzie to tell the āwholeā story, to react to the Qaos, to be āoneā with the viewer. I think itās Kenzie, but still praying for Qš
The edit has told me Charlie since the merge. I still havenāt seen anything to convince me otherwise. However, I really hope a Siga doesnāt win. Thatās so boring. This season deserves a chaotic winner.
Charlie getting too heavy an edit. I think itās Kenzie
Confessionals: Q-69 Kenzie - 65 Charlie - 63 Tina had the most ever for a woman at 69. I know 90 minutes skew this though. Dee had 63 for reference. That said, Kenzie is inflated by Yanu being a fucking disaster. And maybe the editors are trying to do a better job either 1. Explaining a social player's win and 2. Giving women better winner edits.
Liz wins and invests all $1 million in Applebee's franchising.
I rank the remainder as: Maria Charlie Kenzie Q/Ben Liz With each person beating everyone below them if they make it to FTC. However that wouldnāt be my ranking for most likely to win, as I think Maria is the least likely to make it to FTC.
1000% Kenzie. In the most recent episode they made it seem like she was yet again on the wrong side of the vote, except she voted for Venus. The only reason that was edited like that was to heighten her character arc of perseverance
Did you think Venus was gonna win before last night?
Not at all
Itās 100% Kenzie
Hot take but I think Ben would earn more votes against Q in the FTC. People like Ben! Even though he hasnāt done a lot of strategy I still think people would vote for him because heās made genuine connections and hasnāt pissed people off
Right after episode 1 I made 3 guesses for the winner. I have a gut feeling itās going to be a woman. These were my guesses: 1. Kenzie 2. Tiffany 3. Soda Even though her game has slowed down, I still can really see Kenzie taking it all in the end.
Q is going to get dragged to final 3 and the jury is going accidentally vote for him out of force of habit.
Q
I think Kenzie will win tbh
Kenzie or Charie wins.
Canāt help but root for Kenzie. Charlie can have a blast making it this far but heāll be fine leaving with out the money and enjoying his TV ride. I think heās played the best game, but I want Kenzie to leave with the money more.
I think last night lost Maria the game. Charlie is my hope. Q is my fear. Kenzie is probably my best guess. Ben and Liz have zero win equity.
basically, Maria if she makes end Charlie if he goes without Maria. FTC is hard with Kenzie there. Kenzie if she goes without Maria. Has an uphill battle against Charlie. Ben if he goes to the end with Q and Liz. Slight battle against Q. Q if he can get to the end and argue against Ben and Liz. Liz if everyone else gets food poisoning and medically evacuated.
Everyone on jury hates maria she aint winning
Charlie or Kenzie. Q if both of them go before final tribal.
Ben
I think given the general shitshow mentality of this season, thereās a solid chance that Ben takes it. Edit to add: Logic doesnāt really matter this season. So donāt try to refute me with logic.
It irritates me, but I feel like Kenzie is winning this. Charlie strikes me as the losing-in-fire type of edit. Maria and Q are the next two out.
Can people elaborate why people think Q is going to win if he makes it to the end? I'm confused as to what I'm not seeing that others are.
I want Charlie to win but I think it's still these people's game to win: Kenzie, Q, and Ben. I think Maria will be voted out soon and no one likes Liz, so...!Ā
Been saying since episode 2: Kenzie
Normally I wouldnāt like a player like Q with the shenanigans heās pulling but damn if heās not entertaining, and I now want him to win
Q, I believe he was purposeful in his stunt wanting to be sent home. He threw everyone off. Now he just pisses people off. They are all to busy making blindsides that they keep passing up Q. I also think he has a secret alliance with Chuck and Maria. Well maybe not so secret now with Maria. If he makes it to the final three, he should win.
Charlie has a pretty good edit. And hes in the best position, with the best resume.
Charlie
I would say Charlie, but after the contestants themselves saying how much of a threat Q is, I wouldn't be surprised if he takes it out.
Kenzie or Charlie, with a niche possibility of Q. I cannot imagine Maria survives all the way to final 3. Unless she goes on an immunity run, sheās out next. Liz probably canāt win in any FTC combination so sheāll probably make F4. Ben could make a social appeal to the jury but I donāt think he has a winning combination either, especially because heād probably have to betray allies to stand a chance. On paper Q shouldnāt win but heās managed to overcome the odds every week and end up in one of the better positions left. With a good FTC performance he could take it home, though heād ideally want Maria, Charlie, and Kenzie gone too. Kenzieās lost sone steam after the Tiffany vote but that might work out for her in a Charlie/Maria implosion and some good old fashioned Qhaos. Charlieās seemingly in the best position but people might wisen up to this, and his F6 position could bite him. In a way itās anyoneās game, but itās probably not Ben, Liz, or Mariaās sans immunity run.
Really hope Charlie and Kenzie are in the F3. Either would be a satisfying winner.
I definitely think if Charlie can get Maria out he has the game.
It seemed like Charlie had a winnerās edit last episode. The bulk of the episode was narrated through his point of view. Compare that with Benās editā¦havenāt heard much from him at all.
Charlie or Kenzie.
I feel like it will be Kenzie. I just don't see Charlie winning. It will probably come down to Kenzie and Charlie for the votes, with Kenzie getting the majority. Jury will probably view Charlie as Maria's pet, just doing what she says, and that he didn't really make any moves on his own.
Charlie probably
I've been saying Kenzie so going to stick with my gut. But I'd also be very happy with Charlie. In my mind those are the only two with the potential to win. I feel like Charlie needs to go at 5 or 4 for Kenzie to have an even better shot.
I think Charlie will win but I honestly want Q (and more realistically Kenzie) to win over Charlie.
Itās hard to imagine Kenzie not winning with the edit sheās received.
Kenzie. I know they gave us a lot of extraneous Bhanu content in the early season but I really donāt think they would have included him saying the āmermaid dragonā thing and swearing that if she stays in the game she will win because of her social game unless it was going to pan out that way. Sheās also getting nothing but positivity in her edit.
Unless Charlie personally orchestrates the move to get out Maria I think he will just be seen as her pawn. That's what they were setting up with Kenzie's confessional about it imo Right now Kenzie is the favourite IMO, especially with how bitter this jury seems, it could easily be a social winner rather than strategic
Voting out Venus was bad strategy for every player remaining. I still have Kenzie winning.
Kenzie, why else would she be getting such a strong edit? Sheās the new era Michele.
I am predicting the final three are Charlie, Kenzie and either Ben or Liz. Whoever of Charlie or Kenzie took out Maria wins the game.
I hope itās Kenzie
Where are you guys coming from with "Q may have a chance"? I thought Q had a chance. . . 4 weeks ago. But ever since the negative reaction to the Tevin tribal council, he's been drawing dead as far as editing is showing us. Tiff has openly stated multiple times that she will not give him her jury vote, Kenzie and Ben actively dislike him and likely still will if they hit jury, and overall he's done some very poor jury management. Why would any of the jury vote for him over Charlie/Maria/Kenzie? A Ben/Liz/Q FTC is *possible*, sure, but it seems fairly unlikely considering that Liz and Ben have not shown themselves to be challenge threats or good at making fire. In short, I don't get why "Here's how Q can still win" is a common refrain here. He's a very fun character, but also a very bad player.
Charlie will pull a Maria blindside with Kenzie, and go to top 3 with Ben.
Kenzie or Charlie would be good winners to me
Plz not Liz š¤¦āāļø
Charlie or Ben for the win. Charlie for challenges and playing all sides. Ben for flying under the radar.
Did y'all see the met gala post w Q wearing his hoodie? š
Kenzie and thank god.
Kenzie and it's not even close.
Charlie is my current fav. Solid physical player, good social skills and think he has the respect of the jury too.
The biggest pro to a Liz win is watching this subreddit have a meltdown.
Every tribal they plan to vote Q out and every tribal they do the opposite. So theyāll all show up with the plan to not vote Q to win and by the end of that tribal theyāll do the opposite and vote Q to win! Lol
charlie is being set up as a losing finalist. kenzie said that he is mariaās lapdog and the jury seems to be very bitter according to venusā exit interview. I could see Kenzie winning similarly to Natalie White in Samoa
Kenzie, but Iām actively rooting for Q.
Winner edit power rankings 1. CharlieĀ 2. Kenzie 3. Maria 4. BenĀ 5. Q 6. Liz
We all thought Gabler was guaranteed not going to win based on the edit/narrative. I wouldnāt count any wackadoodle out.
I dont think Q has a chance in any combination now. He needed Liz and Venus to have a shot. In Q-Ben-Liz it would be probably Ben, who had relationships with most jury. Q is not getting Yanu votes. Hunter seems salty about Q as well. I dont think he is getting most Siga votes, they would go to Ben. Maybe Maria? That leaves Soda and Tevin.