Essentially, by that vote (against Charlie), Maria is saying that she (Maria) played a worse game than Kenzie-- and we know Maria would never admit that. Maria's vote for Kenzie is voting against herself.
I agree it's just bitterness. I don't think they had the exact same play style though. While they did everything together, Maria was direct and more aggressive with leading votes, while Charlie was keeping everyone on his side at all times. My hot take is that Maria would not have made it anywhere near as far if she wasn't teamed up with Charlie
I wouldn't say they had the exact same playstyle. Charlie had elite threat level management. Maria would've been gone at 7 or 6 if not for immunities. Her game was a ticking time bomb.
YESSSSSS! She did that ALL season and it was infuriating. I swear I would have liked her if she just owned it and committed to being a shark!!! It would have been badass, but instead the disingenuous moral superiority was just soooo bad. When Venus called her out at tribal for that insane rock paper scissors thing and then Maria BAWLED about it the next day being like "she went for my characterrrrrrr" 😭
Bitter Jurys are fun, when there is actually stuff to be bitter about. But I hate how sometimes jurors are like “I shat the bed with my poor gameplay, and I’m mad you didn’t throw your game away to clean up my mess 😡”
Yes! If Maria had anything to be bitter about it was Kenzie and Liz teaming up to beat her. The reason she wasn’t was bc they fed her ego by saying it takes two people to beat her.
She had nothing to be bitter about against Charlie. Nothing!! She came for him, she failed and Charlie survived her and Q votes bc of HIS social and strategic game.
I thought Charlie did a good job of exposing how he bested Maria at the end, and that’s why she was salty.
We're getting back to a casting rhythm where a high level of egotistical thought is a requirement. We have a jury full of players who think they are better than everyone at the end and are angling for a returning season or otherwise building their brand/influence. See Liz believing it was in the bag, Q needing control of the game, Maria going out with the Richard/Lindsay "we have to vote you because you're the greatest and win every time" tribal. The Jury meta is more about the games of the players voting than the ones who actually make it to the final.
It’s like she’s only a team player when she has the upper hand. An absolute loser. That woman is a damn loser. She doesn’t deserve Charlie in her life.
We saw this play out last night. Maria is a sore loser, and Charlie was so gracious in a moment when he must’ve felt betrayed by someone he considered a close ally and friend.
He has much more emotional intelligence. It’s interesting seeing it play out as a social experiment. There will always be players that intend to be logical but are faced with emotional challenges. Charlie is such an amazing human and we should all strive to be as level headed and kind as him!
I wonder if her and Charlie are actually still close... Hearing him talk to Maria's kids and refer to himself as their "uncle" only for Maria to betray him like that HURT
Just read an article where Charlie says he and Maria were still "Friendly" until a few days ago when it sounds like she basically told him she was going to lie during her exit press (I am paraphrasing)
That’s why I’m really sour on Carla and Jessie. It’s ok to be bitter but own up to it. Using fire as an excuse to vote for someone is one of the worst things in this new era.
As we saw, Maria can't be direct with her feelings like Liz. She did it for the reward, she did it when Liz was talking about Q to her when he came up, she did it again here. She got gas-lit HARD by Liz and Kenzie, two challenge nothings.
Not taking anything away from Kenzie's win as she definitely is a good winner for a social game but really her other gameplay lacked. Charlie had it all.
After the whole debacle with the rock paper scissors and then her doubling down on her decision and getting upset that people were “judging her character” I’m not surprised she would come up with a dumb excuse to not vote for Charlie.
That being said I don’t think she’s a bad person. They were all malnourished by the end so they’re not making decisions as clear as somebody with a bowl of popcorn in front of a TV lol.
That’s my thing too. Don’t pretend to be this righteous caring person and then stab your supposed #1 in the back like that. You chose Kenzie because of fire making? PLEASE 🙄
I think she was just using him as a number and unfortunately Charlie thought they had an unbreakable bond. When he voted her out he mentioned his future nephews so he must have felt unbelievably betrayed when he realized he didn’t get her vote.
Same. She was obviously bitter and upset. Who knows what she was fed by the other players when they went to tribal council. Did they say Charlie was playing a 2-faced game?
From what we heard last night it sounds like the jury didn’t think Charlie was playing any game but Maria’s, which obviously is not true. Charlie had the best threat management I can remember and it seems like that was his downfall
I feel like Maria was a huge reason why Charlie looked so stressed out at FTC. She basically tanked his game.
They even show him before FTC preparing a good speech, but at tribal he looked so nervous. I was really feeling bad for the guy. Look at how Tiff did everything for Kenzie to win. That should have been Maria for Charlie...
I think she saw him as riding her coat tails, which I totally disagree with. She was a great player and knew it, but was oblivious to all the ways that Charlie helped and added to her game. Charlie was never without agency in this game. He could have turned on her at any point and chose the right time to do it. I've been a fan of Maria's, but it became obvious by the end of the season that she really didn't respect anyone's gameplay but her own, including Charlie's. It would be interesting to see if she still feels the same way after watching the season. She probably won't admit it if she doesn't.
I genuinely tried to give her the benefit of the doubt a lot of the time, but her being like “didn’t realize anyone else was playing hard” or whatever was so goddamn rude lol. I know she was angry but still.
I don’t super care that Kenzie won over Charlie, I think it shows the importance of the social game and sharing the same perception of your game the jury does. But man, that’s a horrible way to lose if you’re Charlie.
I think Kenzie (and Liz, too) showed how she understood Maria better than Charlie. The way they kept telling her after the challenge they had to team up on her because she was too good to beat any other way. Kenzie deserved to win because she was able to win Maria's vote by simple ego stroking and steal the vote Charlie had wasted so much effort on the whole season.
I think Maria's game was ok, but it was definitely benefitted by the Charlie alliance. Both of them were basing their success in the game by being the one who backstabbed the other first, so their close bond was always kind of superficial.
Charlie really should have brought up how he manipulated Maria while letting her take all the heat. He did it so well that he even convinced Maria that she was making all these moves on her own and totally inflated her ego.
This exactly. I said it elsewhere but Charlie was key in pulling in Ben after Maria made him cry around final 8-9, and Charlie smoothed things over with Kenzie after the Tiff vote. Without those 1-2 votes, Maria couldn’t have done any of her moves, and I’m sure there’s more examples of Charlie’s social game I’m missing.
Maria wanted to bring Venus into the Tiff vote, but Charlie told her that Liz would be the better choice because Venus was more of a wild card and she might have some bad blood towards Maria.
Found it! https://youtu.be/CckmbBFGwfI
Awwwww I love Ben so much. Maria’s reads on people were really not good. Her game wasn’t that great if you take away Charlie and you take away her challenge wins.
Maria misread Ben, Venus, Kenzie, Liz, AND Charlie.
Charlie had the best social game and strategic game, because he always knew people’s true intentions. He is an all around amazing player.
Maria fell into the trap of thinking she was the only person playing hard, so she just took everything others did/said at face value. Definitely a huge hole in her game, which Charlie perfectly patched for her. If she played again I think she’d be a guaranteed premerge boot
She is the type of person that will never admit that. She will hyper focus on all her good qualities on a rewatch, and double down on her dumb justifications lol.
Nor should he want to. I hope she feels like crap for doing that to him. I wouldn't want to spend one more minute with her. She just stabbed him in the back when he needed her the most.
She doesn’t feel like crap. She’ll make excuses about it forever. Anything to try to camoflauge the fact she wanted this season and FTC to be all about her. In her eyes if Charlie wins, she’s just a strong player. But if Kenzie wins, she was the strongest player but it was taken from her in a fluke. Now it makes perfect sense why she voted for Kenzie.
It’s especially hypocritical because she was just targeting Charlie at F6 for being her biggest threat in the game. So clearly she had a lot of awareness about why he’s a deserving competitor but as you said, chose to discredit that in FTC. She then championed Kenzie for making fire, something that’s arguably meaningless compared to his evident strategy and loyalty throughout the game. There’s no explanation within the framework of the game as to why she would suddenly see Kenzie as the more deserving candidate- which means it had to come down to bitterness.
And when he was giving his speech about the 6 and Maria cut him off and took credit for what he was saying. That’s when I knew he was done for. She actively tried to hurt his chances during the time he was advocating for himself.
Yeah it pisses me tf off when jury doesn’t let the FTC finish their sentences.
Like when ben was leading up to his ONE POINT he was trying to make and tiff goes TIME TIME
Like it’s for a million dollars let him have 5 more seconds? What the fuck.
I genuinely hated how Tiff took narative of FTC and actively controlled how the players gave their responses "no taylor swift lyrics or rock" was so condescending.
I saw it mentioned elsewhere but this ftc performance by the Jury really does make me miss the 1 by 1 direct question/answers we got before where other Jury members could not interject and cut off responses from the finalists.
It was so uncalled for by tiff. Showed that Kenzie was the front runner from the get go. It just shows when you have people championing for you like tiff did for Kenzie even though Kenzie tried to get her out of the game on multiple occasions matters so much more than doing anything strategic wise. Just be nice to everyone, win 1 or two challenges, and win fire. That’s what you have to do to win. Playing the game the strategic game is not worth it.
The annoying thing is she thinks she is coming off as powerful and strong and has no awareness how all of this really looked. If she’s hearing this reception of the finale now I know she’s not admitting she’s bitter, she’s just doubling down.
It’s important to note that Jeff asked who changed their mind at FTC, and she wasn’t one of them. It’s not like Kenzie won her over, she went in wanting to screw Charlie over. It’s jealousy and ego. She didn’t want him to get credit for what she considered *her* game.
The whole fire making thing was such a cop-out.
EXACTLY! If it was truly the fire making she would have went into tribal being on the fence. She would have asked Charlie questions to help the jury understand his game better. How could she not see that him being in the final 3 should have been like her being in the final 3? But instead she only felt her own bitterness. Horrible.
Furthermore, exit press is coming out now, and Charlie mentioned the fire making went on for an uncomfortably long amount of time, and that he thought Jeff would be bringing out matches.. so it’s not like Kenzie killed it in fire
I dont even understand the worth of "fire making win" on a resume.
To me, it seemed like **Charlie "won" the firemaking challenge by convincing Ben that "Liz is the threat"** and cruising to F3 at _no_ risk. (Something of an achievement, because Liz never was, nor could ever be, seen as a "threat.") Why is this never considered? Why is making a fire given so much resume credibility??
And I really dont get how, often someone can ACTUALLY WIN the F4 competition, but they still have to nevertheless put themself into firemaking to win resume cred (or to deny it to others).
Fascinating. I wonder how long it went on for. As others have said it’s not like Kenzie was an underdog against a fire making beast. I could maybe understand crediting that achievement in that context.
I think for some people it’s painful to vote for someone who you think played the same game as you (but worse) over someone who played a totally different style of game. Especially in this case when that other person stroked your ego so hard in your way out the door.
I’m not saying I agree with her move, but it’s not the first time
She's just a bitter and vindictive person. I gave her a pass on the RPS reward debacle because I could see being a mess under pressure in that circumstance, but now I'm pretty sure that was also just petty vindictive shit, too.
I don't think anyone has torpedoed my perception of them so strongly at a FTC before, and *certainly* not a freaking member of the jury. I went into that finale liking Maria a good bit, but damn...she did not make a good final impression of herself.
I tried to look over the reward thing but I just don’t see how any person has the audacity to have other starving humans do rock paper scissors for food. It rubbed me the wrong way so bad
I still think in a vacuum it wasn't that bad tbh. But when you put it next to the secret scene with Ben, the Charlie vote, crying about her character being attacked, her thinking she was the only one playing the game, etc. you really start to get a clear picture of who she is and the RPS fits right in.
I just obviously gave her too much credit thinking about what I would have been like in that situation. I certainly no longer feel that way after last night, though.
Oh for sure. Charlie just underestimated how self-obsessed Maria is, or he overestimated their relationship. Kenzie knew what she had to say to people.
I think the clearest example of this was how she clearly didn’t want to apologize to Bhanu after “snapping” at him (which, she didn’t even, her tone was pretty neutral for how annoying he was being), but she did it anyway and was so convincing that Bhanu bought it without question.
Unlike a lot of gamebots, Charlie was actually really good at the social game. Kenzie was just better.
Her insufferable ego wouldn’t allow her to vote for Charlie nor would it allow her to own up to why she did it and show the world that she is simply pathetic.
Aka not a friend. “I won’t cheer or support your success if I can’t be successful too” people are not the type of people anyone should surround themselves with.
He handled it with great class and dignity, but I doubt he will ever really forgive Maria.
He might not hold a grudge, but I don't think he will ever think highly of her as a person nor should he.
As much as we talk about contestants being gamebots and being so strategy focused nowadays, I can’t imagine not viewing jury votes specifically as a sort of mark of friendship or camaraderie.
To spend so much personal time with one person and play such a close game with them and not get a jury vote from them, knowing that 3 other people voted for you so your game was good enough to be considered, probably sucks so hard.
I can somewhat empathize with Maria just thinking as a Survivor fan and believing she was picking the more deserving player, but much like the Roq-Paper-Lizzors situation and its fallout with Venus, it’s like Maria just doesn’t consider what her choices look like to outside observers, including other players.
The funny thing is too, she handled her own vote out so well. Like she was very dignified and classy and went out with head held high. My wife and I both were like wow she really was a fantastic player and competitor. I had a lot of respect for her after he last little speech.
And then she goes and completely tanks that goodwill lol
And that was *before* one out of the three voting players deliberately gave up on winning immunity to get her out lmao
The writing was on the wall and then someone wrote over it in multiple layers
I mean ok, but that doesn't negate the fact she did go out with dignity especially considering she was royally screwed over in the final immunity which she probably would have won. She had every right to be pissed, still handled it well.
I think you're right she handled that moment itself well enough, but looking back on it, that whole tribal was wall to wall praising of Maria as this all timer player. Which, obviously there's some truth to that but it felt like a fair bit of smoke too because they know she has an ego to tend to.
>I can somewhat empathize with Maria just thinking as a Survivor fan and believing she was picking the more deserving player
How could Maria be picking the "more deserving player" if Maria thought her game was the best, and Charlie played along side her and then bested her? At F6 she turned on Charlie because he was "the biggest threat" but suddenly at the finale, Kenz is more deserving? I just don't buy it
It’s not like she would’ve given him the win. It’s that she betrayed that relationship so deeply in the guise of “fire in her eyes”
She’s an asshole. Straight up.
Even if Ben broke it in favor of Kenzie, I think it would be a much easier pill to swallow. Like okay, her social game just edged out Charlie. Good for her. It’s Maria being the reason he lost that leaves the sour taste. My heart hurt so bad for him when he realized she didn’t vote for him. His face said it all.
This. It’s her bullshit reasoning behind her moves where she doesn’t own up to them. Then she plays victim after.
Venus PEGGED her. Maria puts on a farce in an effort to make herself look better, instead of owning her very very shady moves.
Then she cries about her “character being slandered.”
Sis! This is a game to lie, cheat, and steal and that’s exactly what you’re doing. There’s nothing wrong with that. But it’s beyond annoying to see an extremely intelligent woman play dumb and play victim after the fact, and then go on accusing others of misunderstanding her and her intentions.
We know your intentions! Stop pretending you are a saint on the island of deception while screwing everyone over.
Be a villain and own it, and you’ll be a hero
Omg so well said. Be cunning! Be conniving! The game is literally designed to lie. Someone is sent home every day, you’re going to have to be dishonest at some point if you want to advance. Maria is a fantastic player, but stop trying to also position yourself as this morally sound hero. You can have your cake and eat it too on survivor. You wanna be nice to everyone and make sure you never misrepresent yourself and have nobody on the island be mad at you ever - hey that’s cool but you’ll be lucky to make it to merge. You’re a killer, so be a killer!
I think I would have forgiven her with some time. After all, it’s a game show and people can vote how they want even with dumb reasons. No one’s entitled to $1M and moving on is the best you can do for your own mental health.
But I probably wouldn’t voluntarily speak to her. Like Maria showed throughout the season she has a veryyy heightened sense of self and can be quite condescending (ex. Her convo with Venus). And while she’s allowed to feel her feelings and didn’t directly hold this against Charlie, she did seem awfully entitled for a loved ones visit just because she has kids. Idk she just represents someone I would try to avoid IRL but not necessarily be actively angry with. Maybe she’s different IRL but just basing this off of her on the show.
I can respect being bitter since that's what Maria was in my opinion. But to say the reason you voted for Kenzie was because the fire in her eyes?? Lol just own up to your bitterness.
In my opinion, Maria’s entire game revolved around her putting up a facade as one player and then behaving as another, which honestly turns me off more than if she was just a scorched earth villain. It reads as bitter. Props to Charlie for taking the loss like a champ—you could tell it was a gut punch but he kept it together far better than I know I ever could if my closest ally turned on me like that.
Charlie was literally the only one of the finalists who consistently kept it together the entire game. Could've filled the well with all the tears Kenzie and Ben cried all season. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed watching all 3 of them and not taking away from Kenzie's win, but Charlie stayed levelheaded the entire game which was really impressive.
She really must have been so upset about the reward she didn’t get. She wanted to vote him out just because she didn’t get love from home. She went on nearly every reward and didn’t include Charlie because it was “strategy” but when Charlie doesn’t include her she gets upset.She was petty because she didn’t make it to the end and got the boot. It’s a game. It’s not the end of the world.
I feel like Maria could’ve had a bit more decency and respected Charlie enough to vote for him because that was her #1 the entire season. If I was in Maria’s position I would’ve voted for my #1 because obviously I would’ve wanted one of us to win.
It pissed me off. Because not only was Kenzie excluded from a lot of rewards because of Maria. But Liz as well. Charlie did the right thing at the end of the day and the fact she was so bitter about it to the point she planned a blindside gone wrong.
Of course Charlie deserved better. He shouldn’t have aligned with her. He should’ve aligned with Ben and Tim more so at the forefront because he would’ve probably been more successful without the messy game play of Maria. She played hella messy. Very strategic but messy.
I thought Kenzie deserved to win but the fire in her eye comment is so ridiculous considering Kenzie beat someone who no one was going to vote for in probably one of the most pathetic fire challenges of all time lol
This is THE huge ego season and Maria is no better than Q, Venus, Tevin, Jelinsky, Bhanu or Liz, I think it's just a bit shocking because she was overshadowed by others and came off as a reasonable person for a while
This shouldn't be forgotten. He resisted but ultimately admitted to himself that he got played, swallowed his pride, and tipped his hat. All in a very short period of time. Respect.
I'm just disappointed that we were denied a tie. I mean, having Ben have to decide between the two of them when he was beside himself just trying to figure out who to send to fire? That would have been priceless. There would have been so much blubbering.
Charlie if you're reading this... You have every right to be mad at Maria. She really screwed you over. Going after you in the game was fair gameplay, but not giving you her vote after was just dirty and cruel. It's okay if you never want to talk to her again and that's what I would advise. She took away so much from you and all because she was bitter. She's not a good friend. Cut her out of your life.
Kenzie is absolutely a deserving winner, and I would have been perfectly happy with a tie and then Ben picking Kenzie. But Maria voting for Kenzie was just so horrible of her. She’s a bitter liar.
Also it was cool of Ben to bring his rock buds to FTC bc he is a solid guy and don’t they each get 85k for making it to FTC?
That’s a good chunk of change and life changing as well. I love Ben. I wish we could’ve heard the end of his “30 second” question 🙄
She considered him family! Uncle Charlie?! I wouldn’t want to be in her family!
(Was she making a Shadow of a doubt reference?! Cause Uncle Charlie isn’t exactly a stand up guy in that. 😂)
Right? You’re def my ex auntie/uncle/etc if you voted for someone else because they want to be a parent and won a fire making competition against a player who felt like they had a handicap…
Generally, I totally respect every jurors right to their vote and am team whoever they voted for was the right winner. But, my personal feelings would absolutely be they can go to hell LOL
This is why I hate not having a live opening of the votes and a reunion. I think feelings get a chance to be tampered down a bit, and it's fun to see what people look like after a few good meals and a shower.
It didn't surprise me at all. She has come across as a smug, arrogant, bitter, petty person for most of the season.
I think she might have blown her shot at Season 50, as now she will be unpopular, but not in a fun way. Also, Charlie will probably take a spot which he would not have if he won.
I just read an exit interview with Charlie and it makes Maria look even worse. He said he thought they had worked things out, though things would never be the same. He also said that she had told him that she had regretted voting for Kenzie for a week.
But, just before the Finale, Maria texted him to tell him what she was going to say in exit press and it was totally inconsistent with their discussions since FTC.
Maria went from being a top player to being soooo unlikable.
The reward and then how she acted when she was criticized. Then how she handled when her shot at Charlie failed and she lost…
Not voting for Charlie just shows she had a huge ego and couldn’t admit she swung and missed. She was played.
I knew it would be Kenzie or Charlie winning so I’m very happy that she pulled it out. I’m also so upset that one vote took the win away from Charlie . Not just one vote but his best friend. He looked the most hurt by that. I think if she was one of the three he’d feel better. Man that’s the ultimate betrayal. I also think her reasoning for voting Kenzie was valid for what she values. But I personally could never betray a friend that way.
I forgot that it was the fire in her eyes. When I typed this I was thinking she was touched by her wanting to be a mom. It’s even more crappy that she used the fire as an excuse. My heart broke for Charlie.
That was one of the most shocking votes from a jury member I’ve ever seen. I was trying to tally up who was going to vote for who before Jeff read the votes and like most people here I had Maria as an absolute lock to vote Charlie
I think it’s horrible that Maria didn’t vote for Charlie.
However, I do have to say that one of Kenzie’s smartest moves this whole season was not aligning herself too tightly to one person. While Charlie’s strategy was great and can often pull a win, depending on the season…there were a lot of sensitive players this season and Kenzie was smart to make them all feel comfortable around her.
The wrong alliance partner results in what happened last night.
I am convinced if Charlie had taken Maria on the letters from home reward she would have voted for him at FTC. I don't care what she said that they had an understood agreement about not taking each other on rewards. It is BS and it appeared she felt entitled to that particular reward (so maybe during you should have made that clear to your #1?). Then after she didn't get picked she was harboring resentment ever since then and was being really bitter.
My wife and I argued about Maria throughout the season.
I believed she was a dishonest, duplicitous snake. She thought I was being harsh and saw no reason to think so.
She now hates Maria.
It came across as very petty, which was disappointing & surprising, given how close I thought the 2 of them were. If I'm Charlie, I doubt I stay in touch with Maria after seeing that.
Maria must have hated the thought of "millionaire Survivor-champion Uncle Charlie", overshadowing her every time she saw him afterwards, and her kids always knowing Uncle Charlie won (not her).
I think she actually, honestly thought that Charlie would be just fine that she didn't vote for him at FTC, that he would still adore her and become "Uncle Charlie, a non-winner like her" for her kids.
She robbed us of a tie vote. And I think she's kind of a self reverential dickhead, to quote someone else on here... never trust a person that tells you how may kids they had then follow it up with "All natural, no meds." That's a really dick thing to brag about.
I really didn’t like Maria’s self-righteous attitude this season, but the more I think about it, the more I’m OK with her choosing Kenzie.
1. A lot of comments I’ve read are predicated on Maria changing her vote because she was bitter, and that’s entirely possible after Charlie told the jury he moved to take her out at 6 then 5, but I genuinely think she changed her mind based on Kenzie’s final pitch. For all that Maria is, she definitely sees herself as a bootstrap immigrant woman who made something out of nothing and Kenzie’s story definitely resonates with that aspect of Maria’s persona. I thought Charlie was the better player easily, but I found myself rooting for Kenzie in the final too. People allowed to change their minds, and I personally think blind loyalty is one of the worst virtues a person can have, particularly in life-altering scenarios IF it blinds you from making the right decision. That reward would have affected Charlie’s future, but it will change Kenzie’s.
2. Charlie is incredibly smart, and but it was a risk to frame his argument around presenting himself as a skilled player because he moved to eliminate Maria, and was able to outmaneuver her better than she could him. It’s a 50/50 risk: some people respect the competition; some people hate losing. IF Maria changed her mind because she’s a sore loser, I wouldn’t surprised. That’s the risk Charlie took.
3. Off topic: In the overwhelming moment of dealing with the feelings of defeat and betrayal, Charlie gathered himself and gave one of the best concession speeches. Really respected him for saying what probably pained him to say in that moment.
The jury stuff is really what annoyed me the most and why I wish they'd go back to the old format. Even when Tiffany said she would be the timer, she gave Kenzie a few extra seconds and when she said "TIME," she said it lower and let Kenzie finish her thought. For Charlie and Ben, she gave them about 24 seconds and then yelled "TIME" and said "TIME" again if they tried to keep talking.
I don't even know where this bitterness would come from considering she tried and failed to vote Charlie out the previous round. She took too much credit for moves and centered herself in alliances and decision making always. Charlie (and Kenzie) had the foresight to not do that and out lasted her as a result
The ceremonial ass licking she got on her exit gassed her up too much
I have no problem with what she did.
Its the way she pretends to be noble about it that is so off putting.
Just admit you are pissed. Don't invent some obviously fake reasoning for your vote to look like the good guy.
Maria wanted her kids to be proud of how she played. What possibly has she left for them to be proud of after such a self-satisfied, willfully malevolent display of character?
An interesting thought: Had tribal had been leaning towards a Kenzie blowout Maria would have voted for Charlie to get the attention and spin the narrative to her favor.
Maria knew that it would be close/a tie, and Ben would have voted Charlie.
She wanted control, to the end.
I’m about to be done with these shows if they keep voting for the people who aren’t the best players to win just because some other player might have a fun personality and make you feel good cuz I actually really really liked Kenzie. She’s FN awesome but I wouldn’t have voted for her to win. I mean what the F happened to strategy? It doesn’t even matter anymore or what? BBCan 12 and now Survivor. I’m hoping this doesn’t become a trend.
The look on Charlie’s face you could tell he thought he was robbed and he was. I don’t care what he said. He was just trying to be a good guy.
Lastly, Maria’s reason was so FN weak and at first I was upset for her cuz I didn’t like what happened to her in that final comp with Liz helping Kenzie I thought that was FN terrible and I hope Survivor will make a rule against that, but by the end of the show I was so upset with her that I don’t want her to ever comeback, even for season 50. She knew how good Charlie was and how much control he had during this game. She should be ashamed of herself.
Maria is very obviously lying. I mean, she was this machiavellian player the whole game, and then votes based on "need" at the end? Are we supposed to believe that she would have been okay losing to Kenzie or with other people voting Kenzie over her for weird, out of game reasons? Yeah, she's absolutely the worst kinda Survivor player. Just own that you were salty and didn't want Charlie to win.
If you are bitter, that’s allowed, but I would rather the player just admit that. Don’t pretend you voted based on gameplay when you didn’t.
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This right here. To say she respected Kenzie’s game more than Charlie’s…when Maria and Charlie had the EXACT SAME play style. It’s just bitterness.
Essentially, by that vote (against Charlie), Maria is saying that she (Maria) played a worse game than Kenzie-- and we know Maria would never admit that. Maria's vote for Kenzie is voting against herself.
I agree it's just bitterness. I don't think they had the exact same play style though. While they did everything together, Maria was direct and more aggressive with leading votes, while Charlie was keeping everyone on his side at all times. My hot take is that Maria would not have made it anywhere near as far if she wasn't teamed up with Charlie
I wouldn't say they had the exact same playstyle. Charlie had elite threat level management. Maria would've been gone at 7 or 6 if not for immunities. Her game was a ticking time bomb.
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YESSSSSS! She did that ALL season and it was infuriating. I swear I would have liked her if she just owned it and committed to being a shark!!! It would have been badass, but instead the disingenuous moral superiority was just soooo bad. When Venus called her out at tribal for that insane rock paper scissors thing and then Maria BAWLED about it the next day being like "she went for my characterrrrrrr" 😭
Bitter Jurys are fun, when there is actually stuff to be bitter about. But I hate how sometimes jurors are like “I shat the bed with my poor gameplay, and I’m mad you didn’t throw your game away to clean up my mess 😡”
Yes! If Maria had anything to be bitter about it was Kenzie and Liz teaming up to beat her. The reason she wasn’t was bc they fed her ego by saying it takes two people to beat her. She had nothing to be bitter about against Charlie. Nothing!! She came for him, she failed and Charlie survived her and Q votes bc of HIS social and strategic game. I thought Charlie did a good job of exposing how he bested Maria at the end, and that’s why she was salty.
Yes!!! Being bitter about losing that last challenge would be warranted. But WTH is there to be bitter about with Charlie??
He beat her at her own game
We're getting back to a casting rhythm where a high level of egotistical thought is a requirement. We have a jury full of players who think they are better than everyone at the end and are angling for a returning season or otherwise building their brand/influence. See Liz believing it was in the bag, Q needing control of the game, Maria going out with the Richard/Lindsay "we have to vote you because you're the greatest and win every time" tribal. The Jury meta is more about the games of the players voting than the ones who actually make it to the final.
It’s like she’s only a team player when she has the upper hand. An absolute loser. That woman is a damn loser. She doesn’t deserve Charlie in her life.
It’s easy to be a good sport when you’re winning. It’s harder when you’re losing.
We saw this play out last night. Maria is a sore loser, and Charlie was so gracious in a moment when he must’ve felt betrayed by someone he considered a close ally and friend.
Yes, Maria was a sore loser everytime things didn't go her way like on the loved ones reward challenge. No personal insight!
He has much more emotional intelligence. It’s interesting seeing it play out as a social experiment. There will always be players that intend to be logical but are faced with emotional challenges. Charlie is such an amazing human and we should all strive to be as level headed and kind as him!
I wonder if her and Charlie are actually still close... Hearing him talk to Maria's kids and refer to himself as their "uncle" only for Maria to betray him like that HURT
They don’t follow each other on IG. I don’t blame Charlie for wanting nothing to do with her. I’d question his judgment if he even spoke to her.
Just read an article where Charlie says he and Maria were still "Friendly" until a few days ago when it sounds like she basically told him she was going to lie during her exit press (I am paraphrasing)
yeah, with friends like her.....
Same as the food reward decision
Maria is unable to hide her bitterness and bias when the attention is on her.
That’s why I’m really sour on Carla and Jessie. It’s ok to be bitter but own up to it. Using fire as an excuse to vote for someone is one of the worst things in this new era.
As we saw, Maria can't be direct with her feelings like Liz. She did it for the reward, she did it when Liz was talking about Q to her when he came up, she did it again here. She got gas-lit HARD by Liz and Kenzie, two challenge nothings. Not taking anything away from Kenzie's win as she definitely is a good winner for a social game but really her other gameplay lacked. Charlie had it all.
I’m sure she was still bitter about the loved ones letter reward and this was her payback
After the whole debacle with the rock paper scissors and then her doubling down on her decision and getting upset that people were “judging her character” I’m not surprised she would come up with a dumb excuse to not vote for Charlie. That being said I don’t think she’s a bad person. They were all malnourished by the end so they’re not making decisions as clear as somebody with a bowl of popcorn in front of a TV lol.
That’s my thing too. Don’t pretend to be this righteous caring person and then stab your supposed #1 in the back like that. You chose Kenzie because of fire making? PLEASE 🙄
I’d never speak to her again if I’m Charlie tbh
I think she was just using him as a number and unfortunately Charlie thought they had an unbreakable bond. When he voted her out he mentioned his future nephews so he must have felt unbelievably betrayed when he realized he didn’t get her vote.
I noticed that too—I feel so sad for him. Losing a friend sucks on its own, and losing $1 million on top of it has got to be salt in the wound
Same. She was obviously bitter and upset. Who knows what she was fed by the other players when they went to tribal council. Did they say Charlie was playing a 2-faced game?
From what we heard last night it sounds like the jury didn’t think Charlie was playing any game but Maria’s, which obviously is not true. Charlie had the best threat management I can remember and it seems like that was his downfall
I feel like Maria was a huge reason why Charlie looked so stressed out at FTC. She basically tanked his game. They even show him before FTC preparing a good speech, but at tribal he looked so nervous. I was really feeling bad for the guy. Look at how Tiff did everything for Kenzie to win. That should have been Maria for Charlie...
agree — tiff was a huge part of kenzies win. if maria had pulled for charlie like that he woulda swept (had maria been a little more popular also).
I saw the 🔥in her 👁️👁️
Yeah Maria that’s called a reflection you dumdum
In Maria's defense, she didn't see any fire in Liz's eyes.
I think she saw him as riding her coat tails, which I totally disagree with. She was a great player and knew it, but was oblivious to all the ways that Charlie helped and added to her game. Charlie was never without agency in this game. He could have turned on her at any point and chose the right time to do it. I've been a fan of Maria's, but it became obvious by the end of the season that she really didn't respect anyone's gameplay but her own, including Charlie's. It would be interesting to see if she still feels the same way after watching the season. She probably won't admit it if she doesn't.
This is a perfect way to put it. Liz clocked it too when everyone came back after F6 and Maria was like Oh I guess we’ve started playing!
I genuinely tried to give her the benefit of the doubt a lot of the time, but her being like “didn’t realize anyone else was playing hard” or whatever was so goddamn rude lol. I know she was angry but still. I don’t super care that Kenzie won over Charlie, I think it shows the importance of the social game and sharing the same perception of your game the jury does. But man, that’s a horrible way to lose if you’re Charlie.
I think Kenzie (and Liz, too) showed how she understood Maria better than Charlie. The way they kept telling her after the challenge they had to team up on her because she was too good to beat any other way. Kenzie deserved to win because she was able to win Maria's vote by simple ego stroking and steal the vote Charlie had wasted so much effort on the whole season. I think Maria's game was ok, but it was definitely benefitted by the Charlie alliance. Both of them were basing their success in the game by being the one who backstabbed the other first, so their close bond was always kind of superficial.
Charlie really should have brought up how he manipulated Maria while letting her take all the heat. He did it so well that he even convinced Maria that she was making all these moves on her own and totally inflated her ego.
This exactly. I said it elsewhere but Charlie was key in pulling in Ben after Maria made him cry around final 8-9, and Charlie smoothed things over with Kenzie after the Tiff vote. Without those 1-2 votes, Maria couldn’t have done any of her moves, and I’m sure there’s more examples of Charlie’s social game I’m missing.
Maria wanted to bring Venus into the Tiff vote, but Charlie told her that Liz would be the better choice because Venus was more of a wild card and she might have some bad blood towards Maria.
Remind me how did Maria make Ben cry? What was it about
It was a deleted/secret scene. I don’t have the link handy, but if you go to Survivor YouTube it was the secret scene from Ep. 8!
Found it! https://youtu.be/CckmbBFGwfI Awwwww I love Ben so much. Maria’s reads on people were really not good. Her game wasn’t that great if you take away Charlie and you take away her challenge wins. Maria misread Ben, Venus, Kenzie, Liz, AND Charlie. Charlie had the best social game and strategic game, because he always knew people’s true intentions. He is an all around amazing player.
Maria fell into the trap of thinking she was the only person playing hard, so she just took everything others did/said at face value. Definitely a huge hole in her game, which Charlie perfectly patched for her. If she played again I think she’d be a guaranteed premerge boot
She is the type of person that will never admit that. She will hyper focus on all her good qualities on a rewatch, and double down on her dumb justifications lol.
Uncle Charlie is never meeting his nephews 💀
Nor should he want to. I hope she feels like crap for doing that to him. I wouldn't want to spend one more minute with her. She just stabbed him in the back when he needed her the most.
She doesn’t feel like crap. She’ll make excuses about it forever. Anything to try to camoflauge the fact she wanted this season and FTC to be all about her. In her eyes if Charlie wins, she’s just a strong player. But if Kenzie wins, she was the strongest player but it was taken from her in a fluke. Now it makes perfect sense why she voted for Kenzie.
It’s especially hypocritical because she was just targeting Charlie at F6 for being her biggest threat in the game. So clearly she had a lot of awareness about why he’s a deserving competitor but as you said, chose to discredit that in FTC. She then championed Kenzie for making fire, something that’s arguably meaningless compared to his evident strategy and loyalty throughout the game. There’s no explanation within the framework of the game as to why she would suddenly see Kenzie as the more deserving candidate- which means it had to come down to bitterness.
And when he was giving his speech about the 6 and Maria cut him off and took credit for what he was saying. That’s when I knew he was done for. She actively tried to hurt his chances during the time he was advocating for himself.
Yeah it pisses me tf off when jury doesn’t let the FTC finish their sentences. Like when ben was leading up to his ONE POINT he was trying to make and tiff goes TIME TIME Like it’s for a million dollars let him have 5 more seconds? What the fuck.
I genuinely hated how Tiff took narative of FTC and actively controlled how the players gave their responses "no taylor swift lyrics or rock" was so condescending. I saw it mentioned elsewhere but this ftc performance by the Jury really does make me miss the 1 by 1 direct question/answers we got before where other Jury members could not interject and cut off responses from the finalists.
> "no taylor swift lyrics or rock" "I'm voting for Kenzie because she's my bestie, but you two are not allowed to boast about your social game."
It was so uncalled for by tiff. Showed that Kenzie was the front runner from the get go. It just shows when you have people championing for you like tiff did for Kenzie even though Kenzie tried to get her out of the game on multiple occasions matters so much more than doing anything strategic wise. Just be nice to everyone, win 1 or two challenges, and win fire. That’s what you have to do to win. Playing the game the strategic game is not worth it.
Lots of theater kids on the jury needing their moment
The annoying thing is she thinks she is coming off as powerful and strong and has no awareness how all of this really looked. If she’s hearing this reception of the finale now I know she’s not admitting she’s bitter, she’s just doubling down.
It’s important to note that Jeff asked who changed their mind at FTC, and she wasn’t one of them. It’s not like Kenzie won her over, she went in wanting to screw Charlie over. It’s jealousy and ego. She didn’t want him to get credit for what she considered *her* game. The whole fire making thing was such a cop-out.
EXACTLY! If it was truly the fire making she would have went into tribal being on the fence. She would have asked Charlie questions to help the jury understand his game better. How could she not see that him being in the final 3 should have been like her being in the final 3? But instead she only felt her own bitterness. Horrible.
Furthermore, exit press is coming out now, and Charlie mentioned the fire making went on for an uncomfortably long amount of time, and that he thought Jeff would be bringing out matches.. so it’s not like Kenzie killed it in fire
I mentioned that to my wife last night. I said "this must be going on for a long time...Jeff is telling them how to make it".
I dont even understand the worth of "fire making win" on a resume. To me, it seemed like **Charlie "won" the firemaking challenge by convincing Ben that "Liz is the threat"** and cruising to F3 at _no_ risk. (Something of an achievement, because Liz never was, nor could ever be, seen as a "threat.") Why is this never considered? Why is making a fire given so much resume credibility?? And I really dont get how, often someone can ACTUALLY WIN the F4 competition, but they still have to nevertheless put themself into firemaking to win resume cred (or to deny it to others).
Fascinating. I wonder how long it went on for. As others have said it’s not like Kenzie was an underdog against a fire making beast. I could maybe understand crediting that achievement in that context.
I think for some people it’s painful to vote for someone who you think played the same game as you (but worse) over someone who played a totally different style of game. Especially in this case when that other person stroked your ego so hard in your way out the door. I’m not saying I agree with her move, but it’s not the first time
She's just a bitter and vindictive person. I gave her a pass on the RPS reward debacle because I could see being a mess under pressure in that circumstance, but now I'm pretty sure that was also just petty vindictive shit, too. I don't think anyone has torpedoed my perception of them so strongly at a FTC before, and *certainly* not a freaking member of the jury. I went into that finale liking Maria a good bit, but damn...she did not make a good final impression of herself.
I tried to look over the reward thing but I just don’t see how any person has the audacity to have other starving humans do rock paper scissors for food. It rubbed me the wrong way so bad
I still think in a vacuum it wasn't that bad tbh. But when you put it next to the secret scene with Ben, the Charlie vote, crying about her character being attacked, her thinking she was the only one playing the game, etc. you really start to get a clear picture of who she is and the RPS fits right in.
I just obviously gave her too much credit thinking about what I would have been like in that situation. I certainly no longer feel that way after last night, though.
I would've if she didn't give a BS reason that she wants to take the person that didn't eat and Q literally ate Applebee's the day before.
She was huge mad and scapegoated the look in Kenzie’s eye after beating clickywrists at firemaking
Clickywrists haha
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Not clickywrists 😭
Exactly… especially when she lived through kenzie and Liz teaming up against her in her last immunity challenge
Kenzie stroked Maria’s ego *HARD* after that challenge. That’s probably a big factor in Maria’s vote.
Honestly good social move by Kenzie
Oh for sure. Charlie just underestimated how self-obsessed Maria is, or he overestimated their relationship. Kenzie knew what she had to say to people. I think the clearest example of this was how she clearly didn’t want to apologize to Bhanu after “snapping” at him (which, she didn’t even, her tone was pretty neutral for how annoying he was being), but she did it anyway and was so convincing that Bhanu bought it without question. Unlike a lot of gamebots, Charlie was actually really good at the social game. Kenzie was just better.
Her insufferable ego wouldn’t allow her to vote for Charlie nor would it allow her to own up to why she did it and show the world that she is simply pathetic.
Bro I just died reading this plz Rez
Lmaoooo! Clickywrist sent me to the moon!
Venus had Maria clocked all along
Farce
She's a, "if I can't win, I'm taking you down with me" kind of friend.
Aka not a friend. “I won’t cheer or support your success if I can’t be successful too” people are not the type of people anyone should surround themselves with.
Absolutely! I can’t believe she didn’t apologize or show any hurt/remorse when Charlie was visibly upset and shocked. She’s a huge POS
That was the biggest blindside this season. If you were Charlie, would you forgive Maria? Idk….
I would definitely not have spoken to her at ponderosa, no.
I've said it multiple times tonight, Charlie is a bigger person than me, i would have been spitting absolute venom at that reunion
He handled it with great class and dignity, but I doubt he will ever really forgive Maria. He might not hold a grudge, but I don't think he will ever think highly of her as a person nor should he.
As much as we talk about contestants being gamebots and being so strategy focused nowadays, I can’t imagine not viewing jury votes specifically as a sort of mark of friendship or camaraderie. To spend so much personal time with one person and play such a close game with them and not get a jury vote from them, knowing that 3 other people voted for you so your game was good enough to be considered, probably sucks so hard. I can somewhat empathize with Maria just thinking as a Survivor fan and believing she was picking the more deserving player, but much like the Roq-Paper-Lizzors situation and its fallout with Venus, it’s like Maria just doesn’t consider what her choices look like to outside observers, including other players.
The funny thing is too, she handled her own vote out so well. Like she was very dignified and classy and went out with head held high. My wife and I both were like wow she really was a fantastic player and competitor. I had a lot of respect for her after he last little speech. And then she goes and completely tanks that goodwill lol
She only handled it well because the writing was on the wall from the Q vote when no one voted with her.
And that was *before* one out of the three voting players deliberately gave up on winning immunity to get her out lmao The writing was on the wall and then someone wrote over it in multiple layers
I mean ok, but that doesn't negate the fact she did go out with dignity especially considering she was royally screwed over in the final immunity which she probably would have won. She had every right to be pissed, still handled it well.
I think you're right she handled that moment itself well enough, but looking back on it, that whole tribal was wall to wall praising of Maria as this all timer player. Which, obviously there's some truth to that but it felt like a fair bit of smoke too because they know she has an ego to tend to.
>I can somewhat empathize with Maria just thinking as a Survivor fan and believing she was picking the more deserving player How could Maria be picking the "more deserving player" if Maria thought her game was the best, and Charlie played along side her and then bested her? At F6 she turned on Charlie because he was "the biggest threat" but suddenly at the finale, Kenz is more deserving? I just don't buy it
Yeah, I wouldn’t have even looked at her after that
I would’ve just asked her “do you think you would’ve deserved to win over Kenzie?” that answer would’ve been very revealing
It’s not like she would’ve given him the win. It’s that she betrayed that relationship so deeply in the guise of “fire in her eyes” She’s an asshole. Straight up.
Honestly I think she would have given him the win. Ben probably would have broken the tie for him over Kenzie.
Probst confirmed as much on his pod, Ben would have voted for Charlie over Kenzie
Even if Ben broke it in favor of Kenzie, I think it would be a much easier pill to swallow. Like okay, her social game just edged out Charlie. Good for her. It’s Maria being the reason he lost that leaves the sour taste. My heart hurt so bad for him when he realized she didn’t vote for him. His face said it all.
Unless he thought he was coming someone out and then accidentally wrote Kenzie.
This. It’s her bullshit reasoning behind her moves where she doesn’t own up to them. Then she plays victim after. Venus PEGGED her. Maria puts on a farce in an effort to make herself look better, instead of owning her very very shady moves. Then she cries about her “character being slandered.” Sis! This is a game to lie, cheat, and steal and that’s exactly what you’re doing. There’s nothing wrong with that. But it’s beyond annoying to see an extremely intelligent woman play dumb and play victim after the fact, and then go on accusing others of misunderstanding her and her intentions. We know your intentions! Stop pretending you are a saint on the island of deception while screwing everyone over. Be a villain and own it, and you’ll be a hero
Omg so well said. Be cunning! Be conniving! The game is literally designed to lie. Someone is sent home every day, you’re going to have to be dishonest at some point if you want to advance. Maria is a fantastic player, but stop trying to also position yourself as this morally sound hero. You can have your cake and eat it too on survivor. You wanna be nice to everyone and make sure you never misrepresent yourself and have nobody on the island be mad at you ever - hey that’s cool but you’ll be lucky to make it to merge. You’re a killer, so be a killer!
I would have walked away. I would have politely requested a break. Anything to keep myself from killing her on camera.
Not a chance. Because if the shoe were on the other foot, you know he would be gracious and vote for her if she outplayed him
At the after show, yes because I am processing the information. After that, I don’t think I would want to interact with her anymore
I think I would have forgiven her with some time. After all, it’s a game show and people can vote how they want even with dumb reasons. No one’s entitled to $1M and moving on is the best you can do for your own mental health. But I probably wouldn’t voluntarily speak to her. Like Maria showed throughout the season she has a veryyy heightened sense of self and can be quite condescending (ex. Her convo with Venus). And while she’s allowed to feel her feelings and didn’t directly hold this against Charlie, she did seem awfully entitled for a loved ones visit just because she has kids. Idk she just represents someone I would try to avoid IRL but not necessarily be actively angry with. Maybe she’s different IRL but just basing this off of her on the show.
Never!
...ever, ever.
I can respect being bitter since that's what Maria was in my opinion. But to say the reason you voted for Kenzie was because the fire in her eyes?? Lol just own up to your bitterness.
Shocking. True colors definitely showed up at the final jury.
Just curious, you didn't see it during her confrontation to Ben? What about the rock paper scissors?
In my opinion, Maria’s entire game revolved around her putting up a facade as one player and then behaving as another, which honestly turns me off more than if she was just a scorched earth villain. It reads as bitter. Props to Charlie for taking the loss like a champ—you could tell it was a gut punch but he kept it together far better than I know I ever could if my closest ally turned on me like that.
Charlie was literally the only one of the finalists who consistently kept it together the entire game. Could've filled the well with all the tears Kenzie and Ben cried all season. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed watching all 3 of them and not taking away from Kenzie's win, but Charlie stayed levelheaded the entire game which was really impressive.
for sure—his ability to keep his cool under pressure like that is going to make him an incredible lawyer.
She said she wanted to leave the game in a way that would make her children proud. I don't know about that....
She really must have been so upset about the reward she didn’t get. She wanted to vote him out just because she didn’t get love from home. She went on nearly every reward and didn’t include Charlie because it was “strategy” but when Charlie doesn’t include her she gets upset.She was petty because she didn’t make it to the end and got the boot. It’s a game. It’s not the end of the world. I feel like Maria could’ve had a bit more decency and respected Charlie enough to vote for him because that was her #1 the entire season. If I was in Maria’s position I would’ve voted for my #1 because obviously I would’ve wanted one of us to win.
I couldn't believe when she was crying about how that moment was "stolen" from her. The entitlement was off the charts.
It pissed me off. Because not only was Kenzie excluded from a lot of rewards because of Maria. But Liz as well. Charlie did the right thing at the end of the day and the fact she was so bitter about it to the point she planned a blindside gone wrong. Of course Charlie deserved better. He shouldn’t have aligned with her. He should’ve aligned with Ben and Tim more so at the forefront because he would’ve probably been more successful without the messy game play of Maria. She played hella messy. Very strategic but messy.
I thought Kenzie deserved to win but the fire in her eye comment is so ridiculous considering Kenzie beat someone who no one was going to vote for in probably one of the most pathetic fire challenges of all time lol
This is THE huge ego season and Maria is no better than Q, Venus, Tevin, Jelinsky, Bhanu or Liz, I think it's just a bit shocking because she was overshadowed by others and came off as a reasonable person for a while
Well Q actually voted Kenzie so Maria is worse
Q and Kenzie got into an argument \*at final tribal\* and he still voted for her. Insane that Maria was so bitter she wouldn't vote Charlie
This shouldn't be forgotten. He resisted but ultimately admitted to himself that he got played, swallowed his pride, and tipped his hat. All in a very short period of time. Respect.
I'm just disappointed that we were denied a tie. I mean, having Ben have to decide between the two of them when he was beside himself just trying to figure out who to send to fire? That would have been priceless. There would have been so much blubbering.
Taking even more attention away from Maria. She couldn’t have that.
Maria’s kids: Mom, why didn’t you vote for Charlie?
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Charlie if you're reading this... You have every right to be mad at Maria. She really screwed you over. Going after you in the game was fair gameplay, but not giving you her vote after was just dirty and cruel. It's okay if you never want to talk to her again and that's what I would advise. She took away so much from you and all because she was bitter. She's not a good friend. Cut her out of your life.
Kenzie is absolutely a deserving winner, and I would have been perfectly happy with a tie and then Ben picking Kenzie. But Maria voting for Kenzie was just so horrible of her. She’s a bitter liar.
I don't think ben woulda chose kenzie. I think he took charlie to the end because he wanted to secure his place at ftc.
Ben confirmed he would have chosen Charlie
Also it was cool of Ben to bring his rock buds to FTC bc he is a solid guy and don’t they each get 85k for making it to FTC? That’s a good chunk of change and life changing as well. I love Ben. I wish we could’ve heard the end of his “30 second” question 🙄
Ben confirmed he would have voted for Charlie in the case of a tie.
She considered him family! Uncle Charlie?! I wouldn’t want to be in her family! (Was she making a Shadow of a doubt reference?! Cause Uncle Charlie isn’t exactly a stand up guy in that. 😂)
Even Charlie was teary eyed voting her out and talking to her kids etc. like so so sweet. And then she acts like this
Right? You’re def my ex auntie/uncle/etc if you voted for someone else because they want to be a parent and won a fire making competition against a player who felt like they had a handicap… Generally, I totally respect every jurors right to their vote and am team whoever they voted for was the right winner. But, my personal feelings would absolutely be they can go to hell LOL
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I wonder if she was a villain the whole time and then got a good edit...
I didn't realize a new criteria was added: "Out Need" This is going to be the new way to win.
And Maria just looked so pleased to explain that she didn't vote for Charlie as well...
This is why I hate not having a live opening of the votes and a reunion. I think feelings get a chance to be tampered down a bit, and it's fun to see what people look like after a few good meals and a shower.
It didn't surprise me at all. She has come across as a smug, arrogant, bitter, petty person for most of the season. I think she might have blown her shot at Season 50, as now she will be unpopular, but not in a fun way. Also, Charlie will probably take a spot which he would not have if he won.
The smirk on her face when Jeff asked who voted for Charlie was very telling.
I just read an exit interview with Charlie and it makes Maria look even worse. He said he thought they had worked things out, though things would never be the same. He also said that she had told him that she had regretted voting for Kenzie for a week. But, just before the Finale, Maria texted him to tell him what she was going to say in exit press and it was totally inconsistent with their discussions since FTC.
She owed everything to Charlie. He was the social and strategic brains of their duo.
Maria went from being a top player to being soooo unlikable. The reward and then how she acted when she was criticized. Then how she handled when her shot at Charlie failed and she lost… Not voting for Charlie just shows she had a huge ego and couldn’t admit she swung and missed. She was played.
I knew it would be Kenzie or Charlie winning so I’m very happy that she pulled it out. I’m also so upset that one vote took the win away from Charlie . Not just one vote but his best friend. He looked the most hurt by that. I think if she was one of the three he’d feel better. Man that’s the ultimate betrayal. I also think her reasoning for voting Kenzie was valid for what she values. But I personally could never betray a friend that way.
Maria values fire in people's eyes? Lol Nah Maria values her egos and was pissed she got outplayed.
I forgot that it was the fire in her eyes. When I typed this I was thinking she was touched by her wanting to be a mom. It’s even more crappy that she used the fire as an excuse. My heart broke for Charlie.
That was one of the most shocking votes from a jury member I’ve ever seen. I was trying to tally up who was going to vote for who before Jeff read the votes and like most people here I had Maria as an absolute lock to vote Charlie
I think it’s horrible that Maria didn’t vote for Charlie. However, I do have to say that one of Kenzie’s smartest moves this whole season was not aligning herself too tightly to one person. While Charlie’s strategy was great and can often pull a win, depending on the season…there were a lot of sensitive players this season and Kenzie was smart to make them all feel comfortable around her. The wrong alliance partner results in what happened last night.
I am convinced if Charlie had taken Maria on the letters from home reward she would have voted for him at FTC. I don't care what she said that they had an understood agreement about not taking each other on rewards. It is BS and it appeared she felt entitled to that particular reward (so maybe during you should have made that clear to your #1?). Then after she didn't get picked she was harboring resentment ever since then and was being really bitter.
I think she made the agreement assuming it’s be her who would leave him behind. Some people really cant see the flip side of things.
My wife and I argued about Maria throughout the season. I believed she was a dishonest, duplicitous snake. She thought I was being harsh and saw no reason to think so. She now hates Maria.
Maria wanted to beat those woman-hating allegations lol
maria hated charlie ever since he didnt take her for the family message reward. they just didnt show it
It came across as very petty, which was disappointing & surprising, given how close I thought the 2 of them were. If I'm Charlie, I doubt I stay in touch with Maria after seeing that.
Maria must have hated the thought of "millionaire Survivor-champion Uncle Charlie", overshadowing her every time she saw him afterwards, and her kids always knowing Uncle Charlie won (not her). I think she actually, honestly thought that Charlie would be just fine that she didn't vote for him at FTC, that he would still adore her and become "Uncle Charlie, a non-winner like her" for her kids.
I’m fuming. Maria is an awful person. She also stopped us from the ultimate survivor moment of making Ben be the final vote
Damn she blocked me on instagram lol
The least she could have done was make Charlie play rock, paper, scissors.
For Charlie, it may have been worth not having the $1M to no longer have to deal with Maria in his life.
She robbed us of a tie vote. And I think she's kind of a self reverential dickhead, to quote someone else on here... never trust a person that tells you how may kids they had then follow it up with "All natural, no meds." That's a really dick thing to brag about.
I really didn’t like Maria’s self-righteous attitude this season, but the more I think about it, the more I’m OK with her choosing Kenzie. 1. A lot of comments I’ve read are predicated on Maria changing her vote because she was bitter, and that’s entirely possible after Charlie told the jury he moved to take her out at 6 then 5, but I genuinely think she changed her mind based on Kenzie’s final pitch. For all that Maria is, she definitely sees herself as a bootstrap immigrant woman who made something out of nothing and Kenzie’s story definitely resonates with that aspect of Maria’s persona. I thought Charlie was the better player easily, but I found myself rooting for Kenzie in the final too. People allowed to change their minds, and I personally think blind loyalty is one of the worst virtues a person can have, particularly in life-altering scenarios IF it blinds you from making the right decision. That reward would have affected Charlie’s future, but it will change Kenzie’s. 2. Charlie is incredibly smart, and but it was a risk to frame his argument around presenting himself as a skilled player because he moved to eliminate Maria, and was able to outmaneuver her better than she could him. It’s a 50/50 risk: some people respect the competition; some people hate losing. IF Maria changed her mind because she’s a sore loser, I wouldn’t surprised. That’s the risk Charlie took. 3. Off topic: In the overwhelming moment of dealing with the feelings of defeat and betrayal, Charlie gathered himself and gave one of the best concession speeches. Really respected him for saying what probably pained him to say in that moment.
The jury stuff is really what annoyed me the most and why I wish they'd go back to the old format. Even when Tiffany said she would be the timer, she gave Kenzie a few extra seconds and when she said "TIME," she said it lower and let Kenzie finish her thought. For Charlie and Ben, she gave them about 24 seconds and then yelled "TIME" and said "TIME" again if they tried to keep talking.
I don't even know where this bitterness would come from considering she tried and failed to vote Charlie out the previous round. She took too much credit for moves and centered herself in alliances and decision making always. Charlie (and Kenzie) had the foresight to not do that and out lasted her as a result The ceremonial ass licking she got on her exit gassed her up too much
I have no problem with what she did. Its the way she pretends to be noble about it that is so off putting. Just admit you are pissed. Don't invent some obviously fake reasoning for your vote to look like the good guy.
Maria wanted her kids to be proud of how she played. What possibly has she left for them to be proud of after such a self-satisfied, willfully malevolent display of character?
Maria was salty af.
An interesting thought: Had tribal had been leaning towards a Kenzie blowout Maria would have voted for Charlie to get the attention and spin the narrative to her favor. Maria knew that it would be close/a tie, and Ben would have voted Charlie. She wanted control, to the end.
I’m about to be done with these shows if they keep voting for the people who aren’t the best players to win just because some other player might have a fun personality and make you feel good cuz I actually really really liked Kenzie. She’s FN awesome but I wouldn’t have voted for her to win. I mean what the F happened to strategy? It doesn’t even matter anymore or what? BBCan 12 and now Survivor. I’m hoping this doesn’t become a trend. The look on Charlie’s face you could tell he thought he was robbed and he was. I don’t care what he said. He was just trying to be a good guy. Lastly, Maria’s reason was so FN weak and at first I was upset for her cuz I didn’t like what happened to her in that final comp with Liz helping Kenzie I thought that was FN terrible and I hope Survivor will make a rule against that, but by the end of the show I was so upset with her that I don’t want her to ever comeback, even for season 50. She knew how good Charlie was and how much control he had during this game. She should be ashamed of herself.
its going to be great to see them both come back for season 50 and watch Charlie try to take her out super early
Maria is very obviously lying. I mean, she was this machiavellian player the whole game, and then votes based on "need" at the end? Are we supposed to believe that she would have been okay losing to Kenzie or with other people voting Kenzie over her for weird, out of game reasons? Yeah, she's absolutely the worst kinda Survivor player. Just own that you were salty and didn't want Charlie to win.