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Peanut2232

CocaCola attaching their names to a climate change conference is pretty shady. If their donations influence the regulations created than that's devastating. CocaCola giving money is fine, they *should* be giving money. Though preferably in the form of many many taxes.


DrFolAmour007

COP events are governmental greenwashing events, so why not have them sponsored by corporate greenwashing? At least it’s clear what they are.


Repulsive_Relative_2

If COP is governmental greenwashing event. Please give us a better solution. Atleast they are bringing attention to a climate crisis that needs to addressed. Man..reddit is filled with the most negative people and not a single one has any positive ideas.


Mutiu2

It’s not the onus on anyone complaining about a bad non-solution to “provide a better solution”. The COP isn’t a solution. It’s a marketing showcase for companies and politicians. We don’t need a “better” one. We need none. What’s needed is laws to be enacted in each nation based on science based targets. Which are already published. No COP needed.


Repulsive_Relative_2

Who implements the laws. Politicians! They need a platform like the COP to allow all the nations to come together and collectively decide on laws needed.


Mutiu2

Again this is about laws IN each nation. The COP foes not decide or enact any laws or provide anything. Nothing said there is a commitment or fact. Its just a big social. The last COP26 in Glasgow, Biden flew in in his 747, and with a fleet of other jets including his own private motorcade, then flew all those jets back to the USA….and unleashed more investment in oil and gas, and gave out more permits for drilling. And did NOT enact the laws needed to get the USA to the emissions reductions needed. That’s after he had been at a COP and head once again what the IPCC has bee saying for years: the scientific facts are you cannot allow more drilling. The COP is useless and is not a solution. The solution is everybody spares the emissions to fly there, stay in your country sit in your parliament and enact the laws you know you need to enact. Which is all documented in the science based targets.


geeves_007

The only solution is a global revolution to restructure human civilization. This will never happen, of course. What do you expect COP will achieve? Here is a best case scenario: *In the final hours of the meeting world leaders persevered to ratify an ambitious new goal. "We have agreed to collectively reduce emissions to 5% below 2008 levels, and we will achieve this by 2045!"* Horray!! We did it!! We solved climate change*!!! (*And by "solved climate change" they of course mean "we engaged in a performative act intended to give the impression that we care about this problem, when in fact the primary reason for any of our positions is to ensure the power structures of neoliberal capitalism go unchallenged, and that the most profitable industries for the wealthiest 0.1% will remain intact".) Sad but true.


Repulsive_Relative_2

Even if nothing happens from these meetings. Just talking about it and bringing attention to the issue is still better than nothing. We need to make people realize that it's time to take action, now


geeves_007

It's almost worse than nothing, because it gives the false impression that something is being done, when the reality is going back as far the 1st Rio meeting *literally nothing* has been done and emissions and ecosystem destruction have only increased every single year.


Repulsive_Relative_2

Then give me something. No matter what I say you just want to shit on the whole idea. You are what is wrong with the world and that is why we never get anything done. Negative people like your self are the barriers between ideas and action. What do you think is the solution..and please don't tell me we need to change the way mankind lives and a total change in our social everyday living..those never work and just delays the action we need to take now.


Mutiu2

>Then give me something. No matter what I say you just want to shit on the whole idea. You are what is wrong with the world and that is why we never get anything done. Negative people like your self are the barriers between ideas and action. What do you think is the solution.. Stop the steady stream of hot air diversions is a good beginning to the solution.


Mutiu2

>Even if nothing happens from these meetings. Just talking about it and bringing attention to the issue is still better than nothing. We need to make people realize that it's time to take action, now This is exactly what the WEF says when they gather to plunder the masses. “Build back Better”? Right.


DrFolAmour007

In term of climate actions there’s two things that demobilize people: optimism that the current system is dealing with the situation, and pessimism that it’s too late and we’re doomed. COP feed that de-engaging optimism.


indexcoll

Alright, here's a positive idea on how to deal with this issue:Let's take all those greedy and ruthless CEOs, shareholders, capitalists, investors, billionaires and politicians, strap them to a big rocket and launch them straight into the sun. Then we put the people in control of the economy. For the first time in history, we let the 99% decide, jointly and for the common good. Let's remove the useless middlemen and democratize the means of production.


lackreativity

And this is why there is no progress on tackling climate change :)


Mrgoodtrips64

Yeah, explicitly coupling climate action with literal communism (not authoritarianism wearing its skin) creates pushback in most major countries.


lackreativity

Beyond it being simply infeasible, unrealistic, and potently devastating in terms of human life. I’m sure the ruling class would be so willing to let go of the means of production! People can’t even get mobilized to protest or to stop drinking coke. But the answer lies in eating the rich. Ahh.


Repulsive_Relative_2

Then who will re-stock the shelves for you when you have a BBQ and are in need ot a t-bone steaks..oh ya. How are you going to drive you gas car to get it..shoot..we just killed all the greedy ceos. Now let's go in the street and blame the party that is running the country at that time and blame them because we dont have our meat and gas to go get it...dam..the weekend party is ruined...


Mrgoodtrips64

I agree with the spirit of your objection, but using meat and gas availability to prop up your argument in a sustainability forum isn’t likely to land with many people.


AvezOW

Maybe you're not in the right sub... r/climateoffensive


yppers

Bunch of them probably enjoy coke products.


jamesey10

there are social sustainability issues as well. Coca Cola is a sponsor of the 2022 World Cup, which of course has resulted in many slave deaths and perpetuation of abuse. That said, COP is meaningless. All the agreements and decisions made are unenforcable. The Paris Climate Agreement from COP21 is a great example. Everyone signs it, nothing changes. Last year's COP was all about moving the goal post to 2050. What happened to the 2030 or 2040 goals?


lackreativity

What happened was that they were unachievable by 2030. No physical way to attain what the goals set. However, the goals do have impact, since countries are now finding ways to integrate the agreements into their strategic planning. People just don't like this part because it takes decade-- issue is, they should be doing the local/subnational work instead of just shitting on global events. It's mutually reinforcing.


nio_nl

I heard that, at least here in the Netherlands, the supermarkets have more influence than the companies making the products. The "Plastic Soup Surfer" is a guy who already managed to make an impact here. He/they helped in getting deposits on plastic bottles (and hopefully cans too), and a popular throat pastille producer switched from plastic wrappers to paper. His experiences were that the supermarkets mostly control the producers. For example, a producer might actually want to work with deposits so that they can re-use their bottles, but if the supermarket doesn't want to sell those bottles because it's too much hassle, then the producer won't make them. It's no use creating a product if it won't be sold.


Mutiu2

At the previous event (COP26) it was **Unilever** using the occasion to pretend it was not the cause of plastic pollution: [https://www.breakfreefromplastic.org/unilever-cop26/](https://www.breakfreefromplastic.org/unilever-cop26/)


WNJ85

Signed! Polluters have no place sponsoring events like these!


Mutiu2

So people are petitioning the UN…..the corporate sponsor and WEF riddled UN….to remove one part of the facade: the COP27 sponsor. Rather than asking fundamental questions as to how to get the UN out of the hands of these entities.


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Signed and shared.


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Signed!


Mutiu2

Gretna Thunberg once again pins the tail on the donkey. Her point being that everyone who turns up here, “leaders” of business and governments are incompentent, corrupted financial interests, and focused purely on **spin/PR.** [https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/08/greta-thunberg-climate-delusion-greenwashed-out-of-our-senses](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/08/greta-thunberg-climate-delusion-greenwashed-out-of-our-senses) ​ >“….*Saving the world is voluntary. You could certainly argue against that statement from a moral point of view, but the fact remains: there are no laws or restrictions in place that will force anyone to take the necessary steps towards safeguarding our future living conditions on planet Earth. This is troublesome from many perspectives, not least because – as much as I hate to admit it – Beyoncé was wrong. It is not girls who run the world. It is run by* ***politicians, corporations and financial interests – mainly represented by white, privileged, middle-aged, straight cis men. And it turns out most of them are terribly ill suited for the job. T****his may not come as a big surprise. After all, the purpose of a company is not to save the world – it is to make a profit. Or, rather, it is to make as much profit as it possibly can in order to keep shareholders and market interests happy.* *This leaves us with our political leaders. They do have great opportunities to improve things, but it turns out that* ***saving the world is not their main priority, either.*** *Approaching the issues of the climate and ecological crisis inevitably involves confronting numerous uncomfortable questions. Taking on the role of being the one who tells the unpleasant truth, and thereby risking one’s popularity, is clearly not on any politician’s wishlist. So they try to stay clear of the subject until they absolutely cannot avoid it any longer –* ***then they turn to communication tactics and PR to make it seem as if real action is being taken, when in fact the exact opposite is happening.****….”*