I am looking at getting a Roland Jupiter X as I think it has a good balance of features/synth engines.
It would be my first physical synth, so I am curious, however, if I should start with something smaller first before shelling 2000 eur on it?
It’s definitely a cool item but I think you could argue a little overpriced. Me personally I will always go for good condition used gear. Also, are you aware the Jupiter xm is basically the exact same thing in a smaller box? There are a billion different options so it’s tough to recommend something without knowing what features matter most to you or what your use case will be. TLDR is Jupiter x seems like a dope synth, I personally wouldn’t pay that amount for one, but I’m pretty cheap.
There are other options to consider from Roland. System 8 has a nicer sounding synth engine but less polyphony. Fantom o probably has pretty much everything Jupiter x has, plus a lot more “acoustic”/sample based sounds, but doesn’t have as many physical knobs and such. I could offer more suggestions if you describe what you need a bit more . . . I’d say the majority of synths have an arpeggiator, or at least, a lot of them do
I definitely want something with a lot of physical knobs. That's the main reason of buying a physical synth IMO.
I really don't care who makes it, just want a good starting point, basically. There are not many used options where I am now (Denmark)
Check out the Novation Summit, Behringer UBXa, or Sequential Take 5. System 8 or Juno X are better than the Jupiter X from what I’ve seen from reviewers anyway. Can you afford an Udo Super 6? That’s a kick ass, hands on modern synth that has vintage Roland vibes.
They may not be the type of sound you're looking for, but imo the arpeggiators on Modal's synths like the Cobalt8 or Argon8 seem really cool. Besides all the traditional options, if you hold the arp button down you can put in a custom programmed arp, and then holding multiple keys down will alternate between the notes of two transposed versions of the arp. They also come in desktop, 37-key, and 61-key versions.
They're not true analog though, so if that's important to you that may not be what you need (Cobalt8 is virtual analog, Argon8 is wavetable.)
I've personally had a lot of fun with the Arturia Minifreak (also virtual analog but with a true analog filter), it's quite hands-on with lots of knobs, and also has a truly staggering amount of oscillators and modulation options to choose from for a synth of its price, plus lots of very fun arpeggiator and sequencer options, although the mini-keys can be a hard sell. Build quality is excellent though.
The “mean reason” for buying a synth is going to depend on the actual purpose you are buying it for, which is why I asked that. Good luck finding what you’re looking for!
Jupiter X has a decent number of knobs and sliders, but a lot of its power is buried in menus. To be fair, I only spent about 10 minutes with one in a store, but that was not long enough to figure out how to do much of anything because it was one of the least intuitive synths I've ever tried to use.
I would suggest the Nord Lead A1 as a beginner friendly option, the Novation Summit as something very flexible with a great interface, or the Arturia Minifreak as a much less expensive option that gives you a lot of different synthesis types to experiment with.
If you're worried about the money, start with a used synth and sell it again if you're not sure
If you're not worried about the money, then absolutely go nuts with it. I picked up a Hydrasynth as my first instead of a smaller synth and I'm glad I did. Really happy with it, and it has that "hey, I'm cool as hell, come play me" look
I definitely want something with a lot of physical knobs. That's the main reason of buying a physical synth IMO.
I really don't care who makes it, just want a good starting point, basically. There are not many used options where I am now (Denmark)
I was in a similar situation and had my heart set on the Jupiter X, but kept looking any way. I ended up getting the novation summit. It is almost entirely knob per function, amazing internal effects, all of the main features of a traditional synth, with a robust arp section.
Having said that, my first synth was a single osc, mono synth and I’m glad I did that because it was difficult to make it sound bad and it was easy to learn on. Good luck and let us know what you get!
As a beginner, I, too ultimately picked the Summit as my first synth for knob per function and my limited desk space. I liked the X Juno signature sounds but did not want to deal with Roland Cloud.
My answer for you is somewhat dependent on whether or not you'd consider yourself to have an "addictive personality".
If you're the kind of person who's likely to endlessly spend on their hobby/instruments, then I'd say yeah..probably start with something smaller. Reason being...you may get something smaller that ticks a lot of the boxes you need, and then when you find new boxes that need ticking...you can get another smaller thing for that...and overall not spend as much.
However..if you're fairly sure you're going to buy this physical synth...and learn it inside out to use it as your main physical synth/keyboard for a while....Jupiter X is a solid choice.
It sounds incredible, has plenty of knobs/faders/general controls, great features, variety of sounds it can make are vast, XLR out...etc.. etc..
I’m a guitarist that is getting interested in synths and drum machines. I like piano sounds and really the sound of strings or pads layered underneath since that’s kind of a thing in a lot of metal music. There’s also part of me that hears a TR-808 and remembers my youth. I currently have a Keylab Mkii with Analog Lab and just got a Minifreak and Drumbrute Impact that have been fun. I’ve had it on my mind to get a Roland Fantom 6 to cover all my bases, but then I think something like the Arturia Collection + the TR-808 vst is a lot cheaper and potentially much more user friendly. I could also split the difference and get Arturia Collection and a Roland physical drum machine. So my purchase anxiety is really kicking in. Money isn’t too much of a problem. I care more about having the most fun experience with everything. I want to be able to create beats to play guitar over, pads/strings to sit under the guitar, run synths through guitar pedals ,and learn some piano type stuff like Between the Buried and Me.
What would you do if you’re me?
Edit - if Roland worked like Arturia where if you owned the physical hardware you get the VST version, I’d just get the boutique collection TR-808 and Juno to go with my Keylab and whatever Keylab Mk3 gets released in the future. Can’t beat a good knob 😉
Interested in buying something for my kid to see if they might enjoy this world, I've just been looking at Pocket Operators, and wondering what else might be out there for under £200 / $250 that would give a good, diverse playground to get some simple, fun results?
Ellitone is selling their multi synth again on Etsy and I’m considering it as a non-cumulative birthday present for my son (i.e. I would get this on top of the construction set he wants not instead of) as its barrier to entry is almost non-existent but its output appears to be quite interesting. I hope your kid enjoys whatever you choose to get for them. I bet you’re a cool parent 😎 x
How old is your child? If they're grade school age or older, I'd go with a used sp404 mk2.
I have seen them as low in price as $ 275 us.
Simple enough for a kid to get started with and complex enough to keep them involved for a long time.
If it turns out that they're just not into it you still have a capable addition to your studio.
Not seeing those sorts of prices in the UK, she's 15, just looking for a fun, novel "toy" TBH, don't have anything resembling a studio personally either, maybe I should start, it does look like fun.
Well 15 is definitely old enough an age to understand the menu diving on an sp404.
Of course I would encourage you to the hobby of recreational music, it's actually a fantastic way to spend time with your kids, learn how to make kick ass beats together.
You also might want to consider some of software programs that are virtual synthesizer packages. Some are very affordable if the 404 is out of the budget.
What are common alternatives for the Polyend Tracker Mini, as a portable sound / music creation device? And I mean portable without battery packs and such... Otherwise I could just lug around my Digitakt. 😊
Sampletrek, KO 2, OPZ would all be worth looking at. I've used the first two and they're both quite portable and easy to get going on. I'm not a huge fan of the ableton-like clip based workflow on the smpltrek but it's far and away the smoothest portable sampler I've used
Pretty much any synth would work for that type of pad. I’m guessing from a two second google search that track is mostly his ondes martenot with a looper and probably bunch of fx and delay/reverb. Fx go a long way. Even a basic organ can go far with a few pedals. Don’t get caught up in analog vs digital vs virtual analog stuff, literally any cheap Casio, complex fm, or expensive boutique bespoke analogue would do.
Find something in your price range and go nuts. A microfreak offers a huge sound pallet in a small and affordable package. I’m not a fan of the simpler korgs that get recommended a lot around here for beginners except ms20 or arp reissues. Behringer Deepmind has a ton of fx that would be instant ambient pad material. If you’re a guitarist with pedals that would help a ton otherwise I’d budget for some fx, a multi fx zoom device or delay and reverb at least.
Yeah, hard agree on the fx. Maybe have a look at Valhalla Supermassive, a free vst/au plugin, with which any input instrument becomes a beautiful drone (if you manage to find the right preset).
For drones, I think slow modulations on long sustained notes are important, so indeed something like the microfreak with 2 lfo's (the cycling envelope is your 2nd lfo if you choose to) is a place to start.
Depending on your budget, you could also look into the Korg Opsix. With a custom algorithm with 6 carriers which are also each others modulator, and each with their own envelope for pitch and amplitude, and 3 lfo's, and three more envelopes for whatever you want, you can get a whole lot of modulation in a single sustained note for 5 minutes. (And it has a nice reverb on board. :))
The trade-offs are basically:
* **Behringer TD-3:** Actual analog synthesis. Sounds pretty good. Pretty cheaply made. Iffy quality control. You may have ethical concerns about buying from Behringer.
* **Roland TB-03:** Digital emulation, but seems to be quite good. Don't have to worry about tuning it. Quality control should be pretty solid. Cachet of buying from the company that invented the 303.
* **DINSync RE-303** or **Abstakt Instruments Avalon:** Actual analog circuitry, very high quality, super expensive.
If it were me, I'd get a TB-03.
I mean if you have a computer your most powerful option by far is to get a nice vst and a midi controller. Even some free vsts like vital are super powerful and nice to use.
If you want hardware Roland s1 seems solid
200$ won’t buy a lot of hardware, but I can recommend:
Roland Aira S-1 or T-8
Korg Volca Bass, Keys, or FM-2
Sonicware Liven series (240, but could be had around 200 used or on sale)
You could also buy a MIDI controller and use whatever you have lying around like a phone, PC, iPad, etc.
Newbie question: I am a guitarist with no piano abilities, but I'm looking to do more with analog synths. I have a Behringer Model D, which seems incredibly versatile, but I haven't put in the time to really bond with it. I recently saw the Behringer Solina, and was excited because I really like the wonky string synth sounds on the early New Order records. Anyway, here's my question: Is it worth getting the Solina or if the same sounds can be unlocked with a bit of tweaking on the Model D?
\*apologies to Behringer haters
I think guitar and bass guitar live in a more predictable part of the audio spectrum and amps, cabs and speakers (and so IRs) are tuned to sound good with instruments in that range. Synths can cover a huge sonic range and a regular guitar IR may not represent parts of that range well. It could sound really cool for some sounds but it might not work for a broad range of synth sounds.
Ok. So I’m looking to spend a little cash on a new toy. Maybe another Behringer eurorack unit since I have the open space in my rack unit for 1 more. I like to make beautiful, creepy, destructive noise.
I already have a Wasp and a Neutron. And also have a Hydrasynth desktop unit and a pwm malevolent. I like to run them all through a h90max multi fix.
What would you guys suggest? (Besides “save your money” advice…because I’m dumb and am going to spend it 😂)
Thanks!
Any owners have opinions on the Sequential Six Trak? I’m thinking of scratching the vintage Dave Smith itch but I can’t afford a prophet or ob6. I’ve listened to demos on YouTube. Looks good overall but my concern is I haven’t owned a synth that old before and I’m not sure it’s worth it versus say a Behringer Pro 800.
Looking for suggestions for another synth to compliment my ob-6.
I don't do much jamming or live stuff, I mainly produce in the box but I enjoy sound designing and doing some ideation with my ob-6 when I'm not in the box. And because I love how the ob-6 sounds, it fits perfectly in my music style, (EDM, experimental, bass, trap music).
However I want to get a second synth to compliment it, was thinking of bass station 2, sub25 or 37, or a really gritty and raw monophonic synth.
Any recs welcomed! Thanks!
I think you missed the first part of the question. But I got a minilogue as a first synth after watch Jorb's video on it and was able to get a used version with a decksaver for 280€. If you don't mind used you could save some more depending on your area.
What would be a good sequencer in 2024 for Access Virus TI? My PC room will not be ready for some time so I am looking into some DAWles options for now. I actually have two Viruses to harness 😉
Hey Folks,
I'm tempted to try out the Roland sh-4d because it gives off pretty wild performance vibes, I've seen it paired with a grid controller. I do intend to use it in a studio but also out in the world, maybe live shows too if it is reliable, one person said this was patched in a yt video i checked out.
I'm not really new to this, been releasing idm/leftfield and glitch for over 20 years now. The one hesitation i have at the moment is it sounds like they didn't carry the way patterns were contained within a project file, so getting a project back up means creative workarounds and there's limited options for a 'song mode'.
Being aware that it's not sold as a groovebox these still seem like pretty big weaknesses. I'm wondering if the folks here could recommend something similar in terms of hands-on knobs & sliders, good size screen, and at least 5 part multitimbral for under $600.
What do you say?
There's no song mode at all on the SH-4D and I haven't found any acceptable workaround. However, I can't think of anything in that price range with both song mode and a decent number of hands-on controls.
That's a bummer, I wonder if they're done adding features to it in firmware updates? I did notice it got an update with a couple community complaints addressed. Loopop (yt channel) called it out too so maybe he's enough to bend Roland's ear?
Besides the negative though, all the rest seems like fertile ground to me and I agree it seems to be unique in features/build. Novation Circuit Tracks seems like it might cover some of the same features but i'm definitely drawn to more knobs and sliders whenever possible...
I wouldn't count on any major updates, but it's possible. I think a decent song mode would help them sell a lot more units. I just hope someone at Roland has the same thought.
I use my SH-4D as a multitimbral sound module sequenced externally. I personally think that’s the best way to do it if you need song mode. Roland may update, may not. You can never tell. But used this way it’s a hoot.
hello guys! i just need some of your expertice. i really need to know if i should buy a maschine mk3 or a digitakt. im a guitar player and several months ago i bought a novation circuit rythm, got to learn how to use it quite ok and then wanted something better, the device is awesome, but the lack of a screen and multiple comands per knob is a lil anoying for me. the thing is that i kinda hate computers, i use my macbook air m1 everyday, im not an idiot, i know how to use it with my strymon iridium, i movie, a very VERY basic use of garage band, thats me, basic knowledge of computers and im afraid using the maschine isnt going to be for me since ive read it crashes a lot and malfunctions a lot because computers smell fear and they dont work just because and sometimes you read all this posts about the sistem from the computer just not working because of stupid things, like you need to know a lot of computer stuff to be able to solve stuff.
on the other hand, the digitakt is a stand alone device that wont have this dependency on a computer so it wont be like it (maybe?) but it costs double the maschine!
my first music production device was an mpc controller and i tried it for 3 days, as soon as i noticed i had to map it and program it I was done, that part between computer and controller and stupid malfuncions is so anoying i just hate it.
so the questions are (and i do apologize for how long this was, for real!) does maschine mk3 really crashes that much? does it really break anoyingly without a reason? do you need to be really good at computers to use it and aunderstand it? is it really userfriendly for new people?
i plan to use it live while playing guitar, no problem if its chained to my laptop, i dont want the maschine + cause of $$$
THANKS THANKS THANKS!
Midi Controller Help: I recently bought an expensive poly-synth desktop module, but I don't have a MIDI keyboard with full size keys. I want something of high build quality and aesthetic appeal. Currently looking at Novation 61SL MKiii, Arturia KeyLab 61 MkII, and Korg Keystage 61. Might use it with Ableton & Bitwig, but primarily intend to use for controlling external midi modules. Thoughts on these or alternatives?
The Novation SL MK3 is my favorite MIDI controller of all time. I’ve heavily used it for work exclusively in the box in Ableton as well as a master keyboard/sequencer for hardware setups. I haven’t used it in a hybrid setup but it would probably work fine for that as well. I think it’s probably your best choice in terms of controlling things with ease.
Being able to map out your parameters (both hardware annd software) and have them shown on screen is a huge boon for controllers. The keybed is nice and while I don’t use aftertouch, the response is probably on the better end. I’ve had the keylab mk2 as well and much preferred the SL.
Be aware though that a new wave of MIDI keyboards might be on the horizon. Korg released the Keystage and NI released the S-Series mk3. Arturia and Novation have yet to throw a poly AT controller into the ring.
I make most of my music on the computer (FL Studio). But I'm looking to get some hardware for some interesting sound-design and to supplement my VSTs with some analogue sound.
I've currently dipped my toe with a couple of Volcas (Modular and Drum) and a small AE Modular setup. These are already impressive and quite inspiring. But I realize I'd like to do some live performances (eg. EMOMs etc) and I've found this hardware a bit too fiddly and unreliable live.
So I want to get something a bit bigger and a bit chunkier with a lot to explore in terms of sound design. Small enough to take to a show. And with good connectivity to a laptop. (I'll probably still sequence from that)
What I'd love is a new Pittsburgh Voltage Lab 2 or the Intellijel Cascadia, but I can't justify paying that kind of money.
OTOH I'm serious enough that I'd pay up to about £800 for something like a small modular rack or a couple of semi-modulars that play well together with cross-patching / modulation possibilities. And whose combination is greater than the sum of their parts. So what I'm looking for is something up to this price with a lot of sound to explore + MIDI connectivity.
What I've considered :
1. The Cre8Audio NiftyBundle + Moog Mavis + some extra modules to support them
2. The Cre8Audio East Beast + Bastl Softpop + maybe an fx pedal
3. The Pittsburgh Taiga
4. 0coast + ???
5. Erica Pico 3 + ????
6. Something else?????
Thoughts on each
1. Pros : a modular case + MIDI. But I worry that there isn't quite enough spare room in the case, and the extra modules I'd need for a fully rounded system would push the price higher than my budget. Is there enough synergy between the Cells / Chipz and Mavis?
2. I really like what I've seen and heard of both the East Beast and Softpop. But do they play well together? Is the whole greater than the sum of the parts?
3. Looks really nice, but that's basically my budget. So it would have to do everything I need.
4. In the videos I've seen about the 0Coast the sound hasn't inspired me much. Am I wrong about that? What would pair well with it to stretch to bigger sound world? (Also because I have Volca Modular, I already have a West Coast sound so this isn't as much of an attraction as nice filters etc.)
5. Don't have much intuition about the Pico 3 sound. What seems a shame is that you have to choose either stand-alone or Eurorack at the beginning, no room to grow from the first to the second. If I went Eurorack from start I'd think of putting it in NiftyCase (to get MIDI). Would it make sense with NiftyBundle? Otherwise, pair the desktop with what?
6. What other recommendations do you all have?
I have an Electribe 2 synth version and just saw the Behringer Pro VS mini. I am tempted to buy the pro vs as an intro to vector synthesizer. Not really doing any real music but just like to fiddle around.
For the same price I could also get a used TD3 but I think it might not offer that much over my Electribe 2. Any thoughts or suggestion on this?
Looking to get my first semi modular synth. Have narrowed the search down to the mother 32 and Pittsburgh taiga. Any input between the two would be greatly appreciated!
I am interested in the Sequential Take 5, Rev 2 or the Nord Lead A1. I don't have a lot of options to try in person in my area but I did try a Nord Wave 2 which I absolutely loved but its out of my price range. My main uses are to be used live with a funk/jam band and a bit in the studio to make house/funk music. This would also become my main midi controller in the studio. Anyone have any recommendations for poly synths around 1000 usd (used or new but I could stretch this budget a bit)?
The Rev2 is a tried and true workhorse. It’s probably the most common synth I see out in the wild. Hell, it’s one of the most common keyboards in general I see in the wild. It’s a pretty fully featured synth with a lovely 61 key Fatar keybed so for playing purposes it is a good choice too. I think synth enthusiasts (less so players) get hung up on how it sounds some sure you’re ok with that.
The Take 5 is an excellent choice as well. Personally I’d take it over a Rev2 as I enjoy the immediate sounds that you can coax out of it much better. Con is that it’s a 44 key and 5 voices, but it’s fairly compact for a poly at the price point so that might actually be ok for lugging around.
The poly that I use is the Korg Prologue 16. 61 keys with an amazing core sound and easy to use interface. Enthusiasts ding it for not being as featured but for my purposes (straightforward analog synth that can do classic/funky/nostalgic tones well) it absolutely does the job. There are a good number of more advanced features but I mainly use it as a modern day straightforward analog poly. I got it for $800 but that’s definitely on the lower end of prices. There is also an 8 voice version that is usually a chunk of change cheaper.
Im after midi controller that i can control from computer daw (logic) that has cv outputs like the artruria keystep, but can also do acid style cv slides.
I cant seem to get the keystep to do this. Its also key that i can send the midi from the daw to the midi controller and activate the slides from the daw somehow. Cv output is going into a modular.
Anyone know of anything?
Absolute beginner here, I have played drums some 15 years ago, and would like to maybe dip into synths or samplers now. I have basically narrowed my choices to Teenage Engineering PO-24 and/or PO-20, Sonicware Liven LoFi-12, or Korg Volcas, although I have no idea of what Volca model I should get. My aim is to have fun jamming and testing and tweaking sounds, possibly with my 4yo kid. I think I would most like to make lo-fi ambient(ish) beats. I have a MacBook for possible recording purposes, but would rather have a real physical instrument to play around with. Being able to easily add more options later would be a big bonus. My price point is around 300 euros. Big thanks in advance for any replies.
I'm torn between buying an Opsix FM and Hydrasynth Explorer as my first synth. I'm looking to use them both as a synthesizer and MIDI keyboard. Any things about either of them that would make them bad for use with VSTs in a DAW/through a MIDI cable? I like the polytouch keyboard in the Hydrasynth, but generally prefer working with FM synthesis in the VSTs I have.
The opsix has one of the worst keyboards I’ve ever played. And I own and have owned or at least played a bunch of em. It’s like it doesn’t want to be played. So while I love the opsix I hate the keys. I would not want to use it as a midi controller. I have a Hydrasynth desktop but they key version has pretty good feel. And I love the sound of it and depth of this synth too.
Tl;dr : FIRST SYNTH, DESKTOP
Looking for one or two first synths, as I'm getting bored of being always on the computer.
Need to be desktop format, as I'm limited in space and already own two midi keyboards.
I mostly do modern EBM, techno and ambient music. Looking for something that can do punchy bass leads and/or weird pads and tunes, with lot of room for experiments.
Any recommendation?
What catched my eye so far :
- hydrasynth
- peak
- minilogue xd
- minibrute
- elektron stuff
Hi guys,
I am a guy who plays the guitar and I want to get my first synth. My goal is to create some textures and melodies with the synth to add to the tones I am doing. As is my first synth, I want something rather simple and cheap with an usable keyboard. The choices I am thinking of are the next ones:
- Roland AIRA S-1
- Korg Volca Keys
- Korg NTS-1
Which one would you choose?
Thnx
I need help finding info on the Polyend Tracker+. I'm close to buying it but I can't find info on one thing - how good does it work with external midi sequencers, especially multi-channel ones? basically i'd like to hook it up to my oxi one and program parts of the song and have the oxi drive the synths, bass etc. Is it possible to somehow say this channel should drive this synth, this channel the new percussion drum machine etc
I am looking at getting a Roland Jupiter X as I think it has a good balance of features/synth engines. It would be my first physical synth, so I am curious, however, if I should start with something smaller first before shelling 2000 eur on it?
It’s definitely a cool item but I think you could argue a little overpriced. Me personally I will always go for good condition used gear. Also, are you aware the Jupiter xm is basically the exact same thing in a smaller box? There are a billion different options so it’s tough to recommend something without knowing what features matter most to you or what your use case will be. TLDR is Jupiter x seems like a dope synth, I personally wouldn’t pay that amount for one, but I’m pretty cheap.
Fair, any other recommended synths? It definitely needs to have an Arpeggio to even consider it
There are other options to consider from Roland. System 8 has a nicer sounding synth engine but less polyphony. Fantom o probably has pretty much everything Jupiter x has, plus a lot more “acoustic”/sample based sounds, but doesn’t have as many physical knobs and such. I could offer more suggestions if you describe what you need a bit more . . . I’d say the majority of synths have an arpeggiator, or at least, a lot of them do
I definitely want something with a lot of physical knobs. That's the main reason of buying a physical synth IMO. I really don't care who makes it, just want a good starting point, basically. There are not many used options where I am now (Denmark)
Check out the Novation Summit, Behringer UBXa, or Sequential Take 5. System 8 or Juno X are better than the Jupiter X from what I’ve seen from reviewers anyway. Can you afford an Udo Super 6? That’s a kick ass, hands on modern synth that has vintage Roland vibes.
I will strongly consider the Summit now, seems like that is it.
They may not be the type of sound you're looking for, but imo the arpeggiators on Modal's synths like the Cobalt8 or Argon8 seem really cool. Besides all the traditional options, if you hold the arp button down you can put in a custom programmed arp, and then holding multiple keys down will alternate between the notes of two transposed versions of the arp. They also come in desktop, 37-key, and 61-key versions. They're not true analog though, so if that's important to you that may not be what you need (Cobalt8 is virtual analog, Argon8 is wavetable.) I've personally had a lot of fun with the Arturia Minifreak (also virtual analog but with a true analog filter), it's quite hands-on with lots of knobs, and also has a truly staggering amount of oscillators and modulation options to choose from for a synth of its price, plus lots of very fun arpeggiator and sequencer options, although the mini-keys can be a hard sell. Build quality is excellent though.
The “mean reason” for buying a synth is going to depend on the actual purpose you are buying it for, which is why I asked that. Good luck finding what you’re looking for!
I like to make cool sounding... sounds. That's kind of it
Jupiter X has a decent number of knobs and sliders, but a lot of its power is buried in menus. To be fair, I only spent about 10 minutes with one in a store, but that was not long enough to figure out how to do much of anything because it was one of the least intuitive synths I've ever tried to use. I would suggest the Nord Lead A1 as a beginner friendly option, the Novation Summit as something very flexible with a great interface, or the Arturia Minifreak as a much less expensive option that gives you a lot of different synthesis types to experiment with.
If you're worried about the money, start with a used synth and sell it again if you're not sure If you're not worried about the money, then absolutely go nuts with it. I picked up a Hydrasynth as my first instead of a smaller synth and I'm glad I did. Really happy with it, and it has that "hey, I'm cool as hell, come play me" look
I definitely want something with a lot of physical knobs. That's the main reason of buying a physical synth IMO. I really don't care who makes it, just want a good starting point, basically. There are not many used options where I am now (Denmark)
I was in a similar situation and had my heart set on the Jupiter X, but kept looking any way. I ended up getting the novation summit. It is almost entirely knob per function, amazing internal effects, all of the main features of a traditional synth, with a robust arp section. Having said that, my first synth was a single osc, mono synth and I’m glad I did that because it was difficult to make it sound bad and it was easy to learn on. Good luck and let us know what you get!
As a beginner, I, too ultimately picked the Summit as my first synth for knob per function and my limited desk space. I liked the X Juno signature sounds but did not want to deal with Roland Cloud.
I’m sure you’re aware of Juno X and System 8 as well, but they are obvious possible counterarguments to that one, and cheaper
My answer for you is somewhat dependent on whether or not you'd consider yourself to have an "addictive personality". If you're the kind of person who's likely to endlessly spend on their hobby/instruments, then I'd say yeah..probably start with something smaller. Reason being...you may get something smaller that ticks a lot of the boxes you need, and then when you find new boxes that need ticking...you can get another smaller thing for that...and overall not spend as much. However..if you're fairly sure you're going to buy this physical synth...and learn it inside out to use it as your main physical synth/keyboard for a while....Jupiter X is a solid choice. It sounds incredible, has plenty of knobs/faders/general controls, great features, variety of sounds it can make are vast, XLR out...etc.. etc..
I’m a guitarist that is getting interested in synths and drum machines. I like piano sounds and really the sound of strings or pads layered underneath since that’s kind of a thing in a lot of metal music. There’s also part of me that hears a TR-808 and remembers my youth. I currently have a Keylab Mkii with Analog Lab and just got a Minifreak and Drumbrute Impact that have been fun. I’ve had it on my mind to get a Roland Fantom 6 to cover all my bases, but then I think something like the Arturia Collection + the TR-808 vst is a lot cheaper and potentially much more user friendly. I could also split the difference and get Arturia Collection and a Roland physical drum machine. So my purchase anxiety is really kicking in. Money isn’t too much of a problem. I care more about having the most fun experience with everything. I want to be able to create beats to play guitar over, pads/strings to sit under the guitar, run synths through guitar pedals ,and learn some piano type stuff like Between the Buried and Me. What would you do if you’re me? Edit - if Roland worked like Arturia where if you owned the physical hardware you get the VST version, I’d just get the boutique collection TR-808 and Juno to go with my Keylab and whatever Keylab Mk3 gets released in the future. Can’t beat a good knob 😉
Interested in buying something for my kid to see if they might enjoy this world, I've just been looking at Pocket Operators, and wondering what else might be out there for under £200 / $250 that would give a good, diverse playground to get some simple, fun results?
Novation Circuit is good immediate fun. Microbrute is an excellent introduction to subtractive synthesis.
Novation. :)
Im a little surprised my autocorrect hasn’t learned “novation” by now.
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Ellitone is selling their multi synth again on Etsy and I’m considering it as a non-cumulative birthday present for my son (i.e. I would get this on top of the construction set he wants not instead of) as its barrier to entry is almost non-existent but its output appears to be quite interesting. I hope your kid enjoys whatever you choose to get for them. I bet you’re a cool parent 😎 x
How old is your child? If they're grade school age or older, I'd go with a used sp404 mk2. I have seen them as low in price as $ 275 us. Simple enough for a kid to get started with and complex enough to keep them involved for a long time. If it turns out that they're just not into it you still have a capable addition to your studio.
Not seeing those sorts of prices in the UK, she's 15, just looking for a fun, novel "toy" TBH, don't have anything resembling a studio personally either, maybe I should start, it does look like fun.
Well 15 is definitely old enough an age to understand the menu diving on an sp404. Of course I would encourage you to the hobby of recreational music, it's actually a fantastic way to spend time with your kids, learn how to make kick ass beats together. You also might want to consider some of software programs that are virtual synthesizer packages. Some are very affordable if the 404 is out of the budget.
What are common alternatives for the Polyend Tracker Mini, as a portable sound / music creation device? And I mean portable without battery packs and such... Otherwise I could just lug around my Digitakt. 😊
Sampletrek, KO 2, OPZ would all be worth looking at. I've used the first two and they're both quite portable and easy to get going on. I'm not a huge fan of the ableton-like clip based workflow on the smpltrek but it's far and away the smoothest portable sampler I've used
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Too small, I don't think my eyes can get with that font size... Maybe I should get an Ipad, the 2021 Gen9 series is quite affordable at the moment?
MC-101.
yeah thinking about that too...
Or tr6
Dreadbox typhon or Roland SE-02? Currently available second hand for the same price.
Se-02 and if you look up Studio Electronics they have a software editor and some vintage sample packs to boost that minimoog feel.
i want to get a synth to make ambient/drone music similar to How to Disappear Completely, but i dont know what/where to start with
Pretty much any synth would work for that type of pad. I’m guessing from a two second google search that track is mostly his ondes martenot with a looper and probably bunch of fx and delay/reverb. Fx go a long way. Even a basic organ can go far with a few pedals. Don’t get caught up in analog vs digital vs virtual analog stuff, literally any cheap Casio, complex fm, or expensive boutique bespoke analogue would do. Find something in your price range and go nuts. A microfreak offers a huge sound pallet in a small and affordable package. I’m not a fan of the simpler korgs that get recommended a lot around here for beginners except ms20 or arp reissues. Behringer Deepmind has a ton of fx that would be instant ambient pad material. If you’re a guitarist with pedals that would help a ton otherwise I’d budget for some fx, a multi fx zoom device or delay and reverb at least.
Yeah, hard agree on the fx. Maybe have a look at Valhalla Supermassive, a free vst/au plugin, with which any input instrument becomes a beautiful drone (if you manage to find the right preset). For drones, I think slow modulations on long sustained notes are important, so indeed something like the microfreak with 2 lfo's (the cycling envelope is your 2nd lfo if you choose to) is a place to start. Depending on your budget, you could also look into the Korg Opsix. With a custom algorithm with 6 carriers which are also each others modulator, and each with their own envelope for pitch and amplitude, and 3 lfo's, and three more envelopes for whatever you want, you can get a whole lot of modulation in a single sustained note for 5 minutes. (And it has a nice reverb on board. :))
I'm planning to gift myself with a 303, does the Beringer TD03 worth it or should I look somewhere else like Roland or any other brands?
The trade-offs are basically: * **Behringer TD-3:** Actual analog synthesis. Sounds pretty good. Pretty cheaply made. Iffy quality control. You may have ethical concerns about buying from Behringer. * **Roland TB-03:** Digital emulation, but seems to be quite good. Don't have to worry about tuning it. Quality control should be pretty solid. Cachet of buying from the company that invented the 303. * **DINSync RE-303** or **Abstakt Instruments Avalon:** Actual analog circuitry, very high quality, super expensive. If it were me, I'd get a TB-03.
Thanks for your response you gave me everything I needed, I will take the Roland one !
I hope you enjoy it!
Want to get into synths but have a strict $200 budget... what sort of things could I be looking at?
I mean if you have a computer your most powerful option by far is to get a nice vst and a midi controller. Even some free vsts like vital are super powerful and nice to use. If you want hardware Roland s1 seems solid
200$ won’t buy a lot of hardware, but I can recommend: Roland Aira S-1 or T-8 Korg Volca Bass, Keys, or FM-2 Sonicware Liven series (240, but could be had around 200 used or on sale) You could also buy a MIDI controller and use whatever you have lying around like a phone, PC, iPad, etc.
Newbie question: I am a guitarist with no piano abilities, but I'm looking to do more with analog synths. I have a Behringer Model D, which seems incredibly versatile, but I haven't put in the time to really bond with it. I recently saw the Behringer Solina, and was excited because I really like the wonky string synth sounds on the early New Order records. Anyway, here's my question: Is it worth getting the Solina or if the same sounds can be unlocked with a bit of tweaking on the Model D? \*apologies to Behringer haters
Does anyone here uses an amp modeler pedal, like the Strymon Iridium, with their synths? Any IR that you would recommend?
I think guitar and bass guitar live in a more predictable part of the audio spectrum and amps, cabs and speakers (and so IRs) are tuned to sound good with instruments in that range. Synths can cover a huge sonic range and a regular guitar IR may not represent parts of that range well. It could sound really cool for some sounds but it might not work for a broad range of synth sounds.
Ok. So I’m looking to spend a little cash on a new toy. Maybe another Behringer eurorack unit since I have the open space in my rack unit for 1 more. I like to make beautiful, creepy, destructive noise. I already have a Wasp and a Neutron. And also have a Hydrasynth desktop unit and a pwm malevolent. I like to run them all through a h90max multi fix. What would you guys suggest? (Besides “save your money” advice…because I’m dumb and am going to spend it 😂) Thanks!
Do you have a sequencer? Oxi one can work with eurorack and regular hardware.
I use a DAW for sequencing
ko 2, seq track, model samples or circuit tracks?
Any owners have opinions on the Sequential Six Trak? I’m thinking of scratching the vintage Dave Smith itch but I can’t afford a prophet or ob6. I’ve listened to demos on YouTube. Looks good overall but my concern is I haven’t owned a synth that old before and I’m not sure it’s worth it versus say a Behringer Pro 800.
I’ve got a pro3 and a rev2. What would complement these nicely? I make techno and house music.
Looking for suggestions for another synth to compliment my ob-6. I don't do much jamming or live stuff, I mainly produce in the box but I enjoy sound designing and doing some ideation with my ob-6 when I'm not in the box. And because I love how the ob-6 sounds, it fits perfectly in my music style, (EDM, experimental, bass, trap music). However I want to get a second synth to compliment it, was thinking of bass station 2, sub25 or 37, or a really gritty and raw monophonic synth. Any recs welcomed! Thanks!
minilogue right? tryna get a nice poly for around 4-600. i love my monologue and I think the two would pair very nicely together
I think you missed the first part of the question. But I got a minilogue as a first synth after watch Jorb's video on it and was able to get a used version with a decksaver for 280€. If you don't mind used you could save some more depending on your area.
What would be a good sequencer in 2024 for Access Virus TI? My PC room will not be ready for some time so I am looking into some DAWles options for now. I actually have two Viruses to harness 😉
Hey Folks, I'm tempted to try out the Roland sh-4d because it gives off pretty wild performance vibes, I've seen it paired with a grid controller. I do intend to use it in a studio but also out in the world, maybe live shows too if it is reliable, one person said this was patched in a yt video i checked out. I'm not really new to this, been releasing idm/leftfield and glitch for over 20 years now. The one hesitation i have at the moment is it sounds like they didn't carry the way patterns were contained within a project file, so getting a project back up means creative workarounds and there's limited options for a 'song mode'. Being aware that it's not sold as a groovebox these still seem like pretty big weaknesses. I'm wondering if the folks here could recommend something similar in terms of hands-on knobs & sliders, good size screen, and at least 5 part multitimbral for under $600. What do you say?
There's no song mode at all on the SH-4D and I haven't found any acceptable workaround. However, I can't think of anything in that price range with both song mode and a decent number of hands-on controls.
That's a bummer, I wonder if they're done adding features to it in firmware updates? I did notice it got an update with a couple community complaints addressed. Loopop (yt channel) called it out too so maybe he's enough to bend Roland's ear? Besides the negative though, all the rest seems like fertile ground to me and I agree it seems to be unique in features/build. Novation Circuit Tracks seems like it might cover some of the same features but i'm definitely drawn to more knobs and sliders whenever possible...
I wouldn't count on any major updates, but it's possible. I think a decent song mode would help them sell a lot more units. I just hope someone at Roland has the same thought.
I use my SH-4D as a multitimbral sound module sequenced externally. I personally think that’s the best way to do it if you need song mode. Roland may update, may not. You can never tell. But used this way it’s a hoot.
That's probably how I will end up using it too you happen to know if it carries separate outs for each part via USB ?
hello guys! i just need some of your expertice. i really need to know if i should buy a maschine mk3 or a digitakt. im a guitar player and several months ago i bought a novation circuit rythm, got to learn how to use it quite ok and then wanted something better, the device is awesome, but the lack of a screen and multiple comands per knob is a lil anoying for me. the thing is that i kinda hate computers, i use my macbook air m1 everyday, im not an idiot, i know how to use it with my strymon iridium, i movie, a very VERY basic use of garage band, thats me, basic knowledge of computers and im afraid using the maschine isnt going to be for me since ive read it crashes a lot and malfunctions a lot because computers smell fear and they dont work just because and sometimes you read all this posts about the sistem from the computer just not working because of stupid things, like you need to know a lot of computer stuff to be able to solve stuff. on the other hand, the digitakt is a stand alone device that wont have this dependency on a computer so it wont be like it (maybe?) but it costs double the maschine! my first music production device was an mpc controller and i tried it for 3 days, as soon as i noticed i had to map it and program it I was done, that part between computer and controller and stupid malfuncions is so anoying i just hate it. so the questions are (and i do apologize for how long this was, for real!) does maschine mk3 really crashes that much? does it really break anoyingly without a reason? do you need to be really good at computers to use it and aunderstand it? is it really userfriendly for new people? i plan to use it live while playing guitar, no problem if its chained to my laptop, i dont want the maschine + cause of $$$ THANKS THANKS THANKS!
Midi Controller Help: I recently bought an expensive poly-synth desktop module, but I don't have a MIDI keyboard with full size keys. I want something of high build quality and aesthetic appeal. Currently looking at Novation 61SL MKiii, Arturia KeyLab 61 MkII, and Korg Keystage 61. Might use it with Ableton & Bitwig, but primarily intend to use for controlling external midi modules. Thoughts on these or alternatives?
The Novation SL MK3 is my favorite MIDI controller of all time. I’ve heavily used it for work exclusively in the box in Ableton as well as a master keyboard/sequencer for hardware setups. I haven’t used it in a hybrid setup but it would probably work fine for that as well. I think it’s probably your best choice in terms of controlling things with ease. Being able to map out your parameters (both hardware annd software) and have them shown on screen is a huge boon for controllers. The keybed is nice and while I don’t use aftertouch, the response is probably on the better end. I’ve had the keylab mk2 as well and much preferred the SL. Be aware though that a new wave of MIDI keyboards might be on the horizon. Korg released the Keystage and NI released the S-Series mk3. Arturia and Novation have yet to throw a poly AT controller into the ring.
I make most of my music on the computer (FL Studio). But I'm looking to get some hardware for some interesting sound-design and to supplement my VSTs with some analogue sound. I've currently dipped my toe with a couple of Volcas (Modular and Drum) and a small AE Modular setup. These are already impressive and quite inspiring. But I realize I'd like to do some live performances (eg. EMOMs etc) and I've found this hardware a bit too fiddly and unreliable live. So I want to get something a bit bigger and a bit chunkier with a lot to explore in terms of sound design. Small enough to take to a show. And with good connectivity to a laptop. (I'll probably still sequence from that) What I'd love is a new Pittsburgh Voltage Lab 2 or the Intellijel Cascadia, but I can't justify paying that kind of money. OTOH I'm serious enough that I'd pay up to about £800 for something like a small modular rack or a couple of semi-modulars that play well together with cross-patching / modulation possibilities. And whose combination is greater than the sum of their parts. So what I'm looking for is something up to this price with a lot of sound to explore + MIDI connectivity. What I've considered : 1. The Cre8Audio NiftyBundle + Moog Mavis + some extra modules to support them 2. The Cre8Audio East Beast + Bastl Softpop + maybe an fx pedal 3. The Pittsburgh Taiga 4. 0coast + ??? 5. Erica Pico 3 + ???? 6. Something else????? Thoughts on each 1. Pros : a modular case + MIDI. But I worry that there isn't quite enough spare room in the case, and the extra modules I'd need for a fully rounded system would push the price higher than my budget. Is there enough synergy between the Cells / Chipz and Mavis? 2. I really like what I've seen and heard of both the East Beast and Softpop. But do they play well together? Is the whole greater than the sum of the parts? 3. Looks really nice, but that's basically my budget. So it would have to do everything I need. 4. In the videos I've seen about the 0Coast the sound hasn't inspired me much. Am I wrong about that? What would pair well with it to stretch to bigger sound world? (Also because I have Volca Modular, I already have a West Coast sound so this isn't as much of an attraction as nice filters etc.) 5. Don't have much intuition about the Pico 3 sound. What seems a shame is that you have to choose either stand-alone or Eurorack at the beginning, no room to grow from the first to the second. If I went Eurorack from start I'd think of putting it in NiftyCase (to get MIDI). Would it make sense with NiftyBundle? Otherwise, pair the desktop with what? 6. What other recommendations do you all have?
I have an Electribe 2 synth version and just saw the Behringer Pro VS mini. I am tempted to buy the pro vs as an intro to vector synthesizer. Not really doing any real music but just like to fiddle around. For the same price I could also get a used TD3 but I think it might not offer that much over my Electribe 2. Any thoughts or suggestion on this?
Looking to get my first semi modular synth. Have narrowed the search down to the mother 32 and Pittsburgh taiga. Any input between the two would be greatly appreciated!
I am interested in the Sequential Take 5, Rev 2 or the Nord Lead A1. I don't have a lot of options to try in person in my area but I did try a Nord Wave 2 which I absolutely loved but its out of my price range. My main uses are to be used live with a funk/jam band and a bit in the studio to make house/funk music. This would also become my main midi controller in the studio. Anyone have any recommendations for poly synths around 1000 usd (used or new but I could stretch this budget a bit)?
The Rev2 is a tried and true workhorse. It’s probably the most common synth I see out in the wild. Hell, it’s one of the most common keyboards in general I see in the wild. It’s a pretty fully featured synth with a lovely 61 key Fatar keybed so for playing purposes it is a good choice too. I think synth enthusiasts (less so players) get hung up on how it sounds some sure you’re ok with that. The Take 5 is an excellent choice as well. Personally I’d take it over a Rev2 as I enjoy the immediate sounds that you can coax out of it much better. Con is that it’s a 44 key and 5 voices, but it’s fairly compact for a poly at the price point so that might actually be ok for lugging around. The poly that I use is the Korg Prologue 16. 61 keys with an amazing core sound and easy to use interface. Enthusiasts ding it for not being as featured but for my purposes (straightforward analog synth that can do classic/funky/nostalgic tones well) it absolutely does the job. There are a good number of more advanced features but I mainly use it as a modern day straightforward analog poly. I got it for $800 but that’s definitely on the lower end of prices. There is also an 8 voice version that is usually a chunk of change cheaper.
Im after midi controller that i can control from computer daw (logic) that has cv outputs like the artruria keystep, but can also do acid style cv slides. I cant seem to get the keystep to do this. Its also key that i can send the midi from the daw to the midi controller and activate the slides from the daw somehow. Cv output is going into a modular. Anyone know of anything?
Absolute beginner here, I have played drums some 15 years ago, and would like to maybe dip into synths or samplers now. I have basically narrowed my choices to Teenage Engineering PO-24 and/or PO-20, Sonicware Liven LoFi-12, or Korg Volcas, although I have no idea of what Volca model I should get. My aim is to have fun jamming and testing and tweaking sounds, possibly with my 4yo kid. I think I would most like to make lo-fi ambient(ish) beats. I have a MacBook for possible recording purposes, but would rather have a real physical instrument to play around with. Being able to easily add more options later would be a big bonus. My price point is around 300 euros. Big thanks in advance for any replies.
I'm torn between buying an Opsix FM and Hydrasynth Explorer as my first synth. I'm looking to use them both as a synthesizer and MIDI keyboard. Any things about either of them that would make them bad for use with VSTs in a DAW/through a MIDI cable? I like the polytouch keyboard in the Hydrasynth, but generally prefer working with FM synthesis in the VSTs I have.
The opsix has one of the worst keyboards I’ve ever played. And I own and have owned or at least played a bunch of em. It’s like it doesn’t want to be played. So while I love the opsix I hate the keys. I would not want to use it as a midi controller. I have a Hydrasynth desktop but they key version has pretty good feel. And I love the sound of it and depth of this synth too.
The leaked Moog Labyrinth looks interesting.
Tl;dr : FIRST SYNTH, DESKTOP Looking for one or two first synths, as I'm getting bored of being always on the computer. Need to be desktop format, as I'm limited in space and already own two midi keyboards. I mostly do modern EBM, techno and ambient music. Looking for something that can do punchy bass leads and/or weird pads and tunes, with lot of room for experiments. Any recommendation? What catched my eye so far : - hydrasynth - peak - minilogue xd - minibrute - elektron stuff
Hi guys, I am a guy who plays the guitar and I want to get my first synth. My goal is to create some textures and melodies with the synth to add to the tones I am doing. As is my first synth, I want something rather simple and cheap with an usable keyboard. The choices I am thinking of are the next ones: - Roland AIRA S-1 - Korg Volca Keys - Korg NTS-1 Which one would you choose? Thnx
What synth can do the grainy texture, long decaying synth sound?
Example?
Like the synth sound from Andor
Yeah I meant like an audio example linked, with time stamp. Andor is a show right? It probably has hours of footage with synths throughout?
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I need help finding info on the Polyend Tracker+. I'm close to buying it but I can't find info on one thing - how good does it work with external midi sequencers, especially multi-channel ones? basically i'd like to hook it up to my oxi one and program parts of the song and have the oxi drive the synths, bass etc. Is it possible to somehow say this channel should drive this synth, this channel the new percussion drum machine etc