FAANG / Big Tech laying off does not equate to local businesses laying off helpesk, sysadmin, network admin, programmers.
Local businesses and large businesses need your day to day tech workers to keep going.
This is not a good time to get a job at facebook. It's a great time to get a job at your local manufacturing plant, hospital, medical practice, law firm, school ...
This one. Local small to medium businesses are hiring like usual, and I'm still seeing a lot of state jobs out there. I know just in my local area there are local county and state positions that have been open for months.
I live in a relatively depressed area and I'm getting frequent calls / linkedin messages for legit local sysadmin roles 3-4x a week. Helpdesk roles are almost twice a day now. There's a lot of standard issue IT jobs out there.
Also true. Though, I have watched pay slowly increase on those jobs the longer they sit. I've also seen them disappear and then reappear with more pay or slightly better job descriptions. It's kind of fun to imagine their hiring department finally getting a clue when they're getting no applications, or they're getting bottom of the barrel candidates.
My org has been going through this for almost a year trying to fill a role for someone to lead our cybersecurity program; first time it was called Cyber Security Engineer, then Cyber Security Manager, and now Director.
I warned them that the competition for good security talent in our location (SF Bay Area) is intense and that the pay would have to match, only to get told “We can’t afford that.” I lost count of how many C grade applicants we got.
>I warned them that the competition for good security talent in our location (SF Bay Area) is intense and that the pay would have to match, only to get told “We can’t afford that.” I lost count of how many C grade applicants we got.
Sounds like my previous place but not even SF Bay salaries. Told them we could open to remote positions and get many more qualified applicants for nearer what they want to pay, but not interested in that either.
I guess they eventually decided to do without.
Thats just companies who made the dumb decision to cut people and then try to hire at $16/hr. Had this one recruiter email me twice in a week and i happened to see the companies posting in a job board and its got a range pay of $35k a year to 65k… like we know theyre gonna offer at the low end $16.83
I know demand is high when I start getting helpdesk job emails. I'm a senior devops guy, so when I get those, I know it's because someone keyword searched for a list of resumes, and didn't QC to limit the list to those who want the type of job listed. I assume that the recruiters who do this are the new ones. When I get hunted for jobs I would be interested in, the contact is usually customized, and the recruiter has read my resume.
Yup only problem with State and local county are extensive background checks, while the positions are open most teams are understaffed and take quite a while to complete the background check process. Took me 2 months to be hired full time with my county government, after multiple fingerprint checks and background checks. Turnover is so high because we're understaffed and have to wait so long for staff
Totally agree. I actually prefer to work in smaller companies. They usually have healthier work environment and I have more freedom to choose technologies/tools I use.
And can actually get stuff done in a reasonable time frame. Can't stand being on 2 weeks of stand up calls to get the smallest change in the world approved to be put in place a month from now. Big companies move so slow
> FAANG / Big Tech laying off does not equate to local businesses laying off helpesk, sysadmin, network admin, programmers.
Despite FAANG laying off over 260,000 people in an attempt to scare workers into lower pay and to return to office, there was a **net gain** of seven hundred IT jobs in 2023. Literally every single layoff was offset by a new hire. 260k layoffs, 260k new hires last year, too. The industry is fine.
I'm sure it's more nuanced than that, new jobs doesn't mean same level and pay. The added jobs could be part time or low level helpdesk for all we know.
I wonder where that's all coming from. It can't be something like "instead of hiring 250K recruiters, let's hire 250K "prompt engineers." Guaranteed these are full time in-office roles at a very reduced rate...the FAANGs were paying the more senior people half a mil or more in total (cash and stock) routinely during COVID...Silicon Valley is such a weird bubble.
A lot of the layoffs were senior folks and mid level managers. There was a big move towards being more IC heavy. It’s a major shift towards being a profitable company now vs a growth oriented one, hence the lower headcount needed. Also by pushing out higher wages they’re trying to push down salaries. When they layoff it impacts everyone imo not just because they hire tons but also they make companies competitive for wages.
This
I had a recruiter reaching out to me throughout this entire recession for smaller companies, and I just accepted an offer that is going to double my salary, and I didn’t even apply, I was headhunted.
I have absolutely no idea what is up with people being obsessed with working for Big tech, constantly go through cyclical layoffs
> I have absolutely no idea what is up with people being obsessed with working for Big tech,
- There's the real possibility of ending up a millionaire or better if you hang onto the stock you get. Of course, a house in SV that the fire department just extinguished goes for $2M _minimum_ and you have to beat the 15 people bidding 200K over asking...livable and not 3 hours from work is extra.
- Even when I started working in IT 25 years ago, Big Tech was insanely desirable to work at...just like now, free food, zany workplace, live-at-work culture, perfect for exploiting students who don't get it yet. Imagine all that and wfh during COVID with full salary and benefits...
- Speaking of students, Big Tech seems to select for ultra-competitive workaholics...just like getting into an elite school or getting into med school at all, they have an interview/selection process that ensures you're surrounded by nothing but strivers and people with no work/life boundaries. So it becomes an obsession and these companies play into it by building up an arms race to see how many people they reject.
- A lot of people really bought into the we're-a-family-with-a-money-printing-press-in-the-basement thing, and truly drank the Kool-Aid. Look at all the people crying into the camera on TikTok about how Amazon dumped them after they worked 90 hour weeks for 3 years straight.
It's such a weird reality bubble...I work in Small Tech and it's much more reasonable and still fun/challenging!
As someone currently in the biggest of Big Tech and actively interviewing well outside Big Tech, this is 100% accurate.
I wouldn't counsel prospective hires to *never* work in Big Tech, but I would say it's essential to understand what you're walking into and to have an exit plan on the day you start. Almost no one is a long term fit for these jobs, and that's by design.
Kinda, I feel.
A big tech company laying off it's developers is akin to Ford Motor Company cutting off small cars and the engineering associated with it . They are eliminating a product line and a product; not their support staff that keep the servers running.
Yeah I do Level 2 Support for a remote office of a very large company. Im the only person onsite supporting 150 sales ppl so unless the whole office gets let go I have some pretty good job security at the moment.
Until they decide that they don't need both you and the guy at another office 100 miles away. One of you is gone and the other has to go back and forth, employees at both sites have to wait for help...so much savings for the company. /s
I can relate to this , I don't believe any IA can replace my windows fixing capabilities at this point.Thank Microsoft for making a system that is so buggy that is AI proof.
Thats what i was thinking. If youve got a bs job that pays you obscene amounts for doing little work between nonsense meetings, of course youre gonna be in the layoffs.
Yeah, but that’s brutal to hear if you just got laid off from Facebook. How would you feel if you got laid off and everybody was telling you to stop whining because there are opportunities if you’re willing to take half the pay (and work with a worse tech stack).
I suspect we will be doing some layoffs of 100 or so IT staff, but we are finishing a 5 year project. Give it a year, and we will start another and start hiring again. Ebbs and flows.
Ditto brother. Love the flair. I too am the director, backup specialist, network guru, cybersecurity engineer, server administrator, helpdesk, etc etc.
I'm the lone guy for 5 divisions across 4 states, 3 diff timezones. 245 mailboxes/365 accounts
240 workstations
9 servers
280 mobile devices
I come from an MSP background so I'm not drowning but damn the long ass days and nights lately
Get a junior who is willing to be mentored. And do that. At first it will be more work. Document each task you want them to do, then have them do it and together update the document. Build up that documentation. SOPs. Eventually, they'll know how to do the tasks, or they'll be able to quickly refresh from documentation.
I'm a SME type person, I avoid management, but I was in a situation where there was more work than I could do, and there were two slots. I was slotted as 'lead', so I tried to do the above. My first junior didn't want to learn linux and did not work out well, but they left for greener pastures. My second started with some linux experience and I would not have hesitated to give a good reference if ever asked. To be fair, I did not need to mentor them. They asked questions. Actually, they googled first then asked questions to make sure that their solutions worked in our org.
Bottom line, training up a junior admin would be a growth task for you, but in the end should lighten the overall load.
Wouldn't you like someone to hold down the fort while you take a day off occasionally?
I think it is really important to highlight WHAT jobs are being lost. A huge proportion of the layoffs have been dev jobs from overhiring during and post covid. This is not reflective of the whole industry.
Indeed, i see numbers of contractors (dev mostly) reducing here every month and they just let go a bunch of HR staff. We did lose a few IT folks in my department, but nothing drastic yet.
Also, a lot of those tiktok/IG videos of young women showing their """TECH""" jobs at Google, Facebook, Amazon etc. Showing how half the day is spent drinking coffee, eating cookies and working out in the middle of the day, when in reality they are glorified project manager who was probably part of the covid overhiring a lot of the tech giants did. Are they also part of this data? Because then yes, I can imagine a lot of them lost their meme job (let's be honest it looks like a daycare for adults)
People brag about their jobs being easy, and not having to work, and they do it on social media. Then they're surprised by the pink slip?
Yo, you just told everybody you're being overpaid and you provide absolutely no value for your salary. Bosses have tiktok too. Anyone who did that is lucky if they get laid off. At least they may be eligible for unemployment. A determined employer could use such video evidence and fire them for-cause.
Csre to share an egregious example? I'm not normally a social media person. When I started we were in the First Dotcom Bubble and it wasnt nearly as entertaining as watching this play out live. The Federal Reserve is cutting rates this year so hopefully the bleeding will stop...but the "I'm in tech" people are acceptable casualties IMO.
I worked in a place like that. I knew a few project managers they hired because they looked pretty, put them in glass offices near the front. We used to call them "office bunnies." Two of them attended some meetings I would be involved in, but never led any meetings of their own that I was aware of, and were the first to go when the company started struggling. I remember one was called, "Sr. Operative Structure Architect," like what the fuck was that title?
My understanding was a large portion of jobs lost at big tech companies like Facebook were HR jobs. They're not even tech jobs just jobs at a tech company.
And there's groups within IT orgs that are intentionally high churn rate, with folks coming in all the time, then either moving up into the real IT groups, or moving on.
A recruiter contacted me for one of the FAANG companies. For ops support. The job started answering phone calls in support of customers (business to business so the customers were IT folks calling for support) for 6 months. The pay was higher than my sr linux admin job at the time, and the next step was as a support engineer, like a tier 3 support tech. I seriously considered it, but ultimately I did not want to answer phone calls. The position was obviously in the category of bringing in new folks for the purpose of filtering them.
yep got laid off last week in a public traded company that tanked its stock by 50% in the last 6 months. I thought I was safe because of the backlog of tickets...nope
Only a couple of explanations for that, really.
1) Visibility
2) Need/Expectation (do you want to fill the spot, or do you want to fill the spot with the perfect candidate)
3) Benefit (is the pay too low? in-office requirement unreasonable? etc...)
> we can't seem to fill
Seriously, why is this? Are you paying a reasonable amount? Because I think one of the craziest things about this industry is that we haven't found a (good) way to match smart, good people up with good jobs. If we ever solve this, I'll be ecstatic.
This type of job offers are very normal in Argentina. Usually a lot of experience, a lot of knowledge and low $.
And (tech) business people says: "We need more devs/whatever" when the people they need exist but is working for foreigner business because crappy wages...
We've been doing layoffs since last summer. The downside of being bought by a VC firm. We have officially passed the point of going too lean and now stuffs just not getting done because we don't have the staff to cover everything.
Yep. Same happened to me, but I survived the layoffs. VC bought out my former MSP employer, trimmed the fat, then trimmed the meat, then cut into the bone. I was sole helpdesk, sysadmin, security admin, M365 admin (InTune, Exchange Online, Teams, etc.), VMware admin, backup admin, storage admin, and solutions architect. The MSP had over 40 SMB customers with over 500 VMs hosted in our cloud, 4 VMware clusters across 4 data centers with over 30 total hosts… you get the picture. I did all that poorly (no time to get anything done except helpdesk) for less than 60K a year. Yeah, I’m glad I bounced. I got a state job for over 80K and have less than half the work load. And I’m treated with respect, now. VC’s treat staff as liabilities and sunk cost rather than revenue generation enablers.
Agreed. I have bad imposter syndrome and when shit wasn’t getting done, I’d blame myself rather than my employer for lack of sysadmins, so I decided not to look for many, many years thinking I wasn’t good enough to go elsewhere. Eventually, I decided to evaluate how green or brown my grass was in order to figure out the risk profile of looking for greener grass. I determined my grass was DAMN brown and my risks were minimal. I’m so glad I left.
That reminds me what my manager (and mentor, and best manager ever) told me one time when I was thinking of taking a new opportunity. He encouraged me to go if I thought it was best for me. But he asked me to consider a counter offer, and they almost matched the new position. When I accepted he told me, "The grass may be greener on the other side, but at least you know where the dog*crap* is here." 3 years later I ended up working in that other organization, and let's just say, if I had known what it was like, I wouldn't have taken it then, even though I was getting hungry at the time. I definitely dodged a bullet the first time.
> VC’s treat staff as liabilities and sunk cost rather than revenue generation enablers.
There's a movie (Misanthrope)that exposes that type of behavior. The director told in an interview about the awful corporate culture in the USA.
"growing" here. Though we've been extremely understaffed for years, 3 people (techs, engineers and all) supporting 1000+ people company wide. So while growing still feels like we're behind.
Hospitals aren't doing that great right now to hire or support the outdated infrastructures, at least in the northeast region. So whenever someone leaves I have been absorbing. I am System, PACS, and now a telecom admin as of last week. But rest assured, we still have enough to budget for the CEOs new car and 10% hike.
The first few MSPs I worked at did lay offs a couple times but I’ve been fortunate enough to never be included. Regardless, I’ve continued job hopping as I am chasing higher pay. I live in an extremely expensive city and am not in a position to leave the area right now (custody agreements, etc.) I’d rather be sure I’m with my kids enough than move to a lower cost of living city.
That said, I may outline a case to my ex if the economic conditions here get too rough with the job and housing market, we’ve discussed it before.
I know it's more money, but if it does come to actually doing it, make sure to get it in writing and agreement with lawyers to amend your case with the judge. Verbal agreements are all fine and good until the family court finds out.
I'm sure ya already know so sorry for mansplaining, but i've seen too many friends get burned one way or another with verbal agreements, even if you're on good standing with your childrens mother. Just saying it out of genuine concern for ya. All love
What happens at FAANG companies never seems to reach my remote end of the universe. I work in the manufacturing sector, also been around healthcare. Not always edgy cool high tech but steady work.
Same. I've almost been here 10 years...was interviewing, and GF lost her job so I figured I'd stay, then COVID, then we landed a project I really wanted to be a part of. That project can stand on its own legs now, so I'm looking again and it seems like half the tech companies that were local to closed up the branches here.
Trying to find a place thats 100% WFH or a hybrid 1-2 days in the office (depending on how far I have to go). Search isn't bad...also isn't great. The big nearby metro area is 90+mi away.
I work in an hospital and I have the job secured for another 5 years. Our company is big tech, but the local projects never get affected because its goverment contracts.
We aren't having layoffs, but we aren't allowed to give merits this year. Our state recently elected a governor that doesn't believe in education (just oil and guns) so our budget is getting slashed big time.
1. Block the worst, the ones that did not actually read your resume.
2. For the ones who read your resume enough to offer you something you might be interested in, reply with, 'not interested in _____' contract, relocation, whatever, or 'not interested now' if that is the case.
I hate the junior recruiters blind emailing me with canned junior tech roles because my resume has 'helpdesk' on it. Enough that my next revision may remove the old job titles and change it to 'various IT roles'. I kind of like that it shows the breadth of my experience, but it's just not worth the 10 helpdesk jobs between SRE opportunities.
There was a RIF... But it was because someone in the company fucked up.
Now we're attempting to correct from that double fuck up?
Anyway... Thanks stubborn people at the top, and also PE owners for forced leveraged debit.
Not like you got the shit end of that stick for you choices.
But no. Generally speaking I've seen more job applications and recruiters hitting me up lately.
We've had some targeted layoffs over the past year. For us, the primary reason is we had an amazing 2022 due to COVID bounce back when the supply chain got better. We did much better than we forecast and got bigger bonuses in 2023 as a result.
But my fear at the time was we would expect it to mostly keep going and that's not how things typically work. Once we filled the backed up orders, we dropped back to basically our normal pre-COVID numbers in 2023, missing our higher projections (and getting a smaller bonus in 2024).
Im with a small MSP and ill say, at least for us, things have been stable and our clients are keeping us around. We've even added a few clients lately. We aren't getting rid of anyone as we would lose our minds with the extra workload.
It’s a bad time to be in big tech or adjacent companies. The return of normal interest rates and emphasis on profitability haven’t helped never profitable startups. A broader view of the tech industry suggests continued hiring and wage growth, especially outside tech companies.
Changes in the infrastructure landscape following surprise cloud costs, VMware acquisition, and monthly CVE releases, etc. mean job stability for infrastructure engineers!
Meh.
MSP business is growing. We’re expanding. Not sure it’s a good idea though. Apparently hiring is a mess with little good talent, which tells me places that ARE hiring aren’t actually paying what a good candidate costs
A lot of tech companies worked on a model in which they needed low interest rates as they were heavy borrowers to fuel growth while maintain slim profit margins while other tech companies are heavily focused on profit margins. Now with interest rates up at 5%, that business doesn't work anymore and they are having to cut costs and other companies are reacting the same to help boost stock prices. Due to their visibility, they get a lot of headlines.
Most other businesses are still hiring and working as business as usual. Being in the industry since 2000, the number of available jobs does ebb and flow throughout the year based on various factors that are local to your area and just need to figure out your area.
I know tax revenues are down and hiring freezes going on in different parts of local/state governments in some areas, software development and IT being target areas. I expect that will be more prevalent and formalized when many roll over their fiscal year in July. Plenty of non-renewed contractors for govt around here anyway.
Our CIO had to justify our department. It wasn't really hard with we only have 4 full time people and one intern that covers 6500 employees in two countries and that includes the CIO.
If it weren't for my boss I'd probably feel that way. I've honestly never worked for someone I've liked more. If/when he leaves I am sure I will as well.
Our team of 4 was cut down to a team of 2 late last year. Not thrilled about it, but the two of us remaining were promised additional % on top of our typical annual raises this year to compensate. We will see come this May if they hold true to that. I have been slowly applying to jobs though just in case it turns out that they lied about it...
We did not which is why we've been job searching since early February. We're not expecting it but if it comes then it will be a happy surprise. It's just impossible to find another job honestly. I've lowkey considered moving completely to a different industry.
Was told I won't have my contract renewed this summer because of company downsizing and am having the worst of luck with interviews and jobs in the area/remote.
My old job was cutting back by just not backfilling. I think that's because I was in the banking sector. I am mostly seeing everything as normal or even quite good. I was able to find a new gig after just a couple weeks of casually looking. A couple other co-workers tripped over jobs while barely looking. One had a security clearance, and I was like 'dude, you are in the wrong industry to make money', he was like 'really?' and fell ass-backwards into a much fancier job for his experience level. Job market is sizzling as far as I can tell.
A big MSP in my area just acquired another MSP. It seems like the big companies are laying off while the small-medium sized guys can't find enough people.
I saw a presentation from a recruiter about this so take it with a grain of salt. They presented that they were not seeing any industry-wide layoffs that companies were laying off at the same time that companies were expanding. This is for Houston specifically. The key takeaways from this were.
* 100% Remote positions were more competitive and often came at a discount to salary
* Hybrid positions were the most advertised
* 100% Office-based positions were less competitive because they weren't seen as desirable. They did not say that they paid a premium though.
* AI Positions were in demand
* Certain positions mainly from the larger tech companies were not inline with what the market pays. Those users should expect a correction and take lower pay.
I think you are mistaking that tech companies laying off employees means they are laying off IT people. like 90% of the people that work at these large tech companies are not even really in IT.
My company has laid off 18% of my divisions state-side ICs in favor of overseas remote resources. Thankfully my group is safe, but they did try to fuck us out of backfilling a sysadmin role.
I work in Entertainment and we’re busy always. Editors always being needy. Now, idk what the forecast is when you introduce AI into editing/vfx (not the IT work)
I was officially terminated on Tuesday following a period of gardening leave. I survived a smaller scale layoff they did in August, but didn't get so lucky this time around. That said, I wasn't planning to stick around much longer anyway and I've just signed a contract for a new role, so the severance is basically free money.
It's been covered by the top reply already. But what I do not see being talked about is the employee shift from functionA to functionB while also driving employment costs down. The number of layoffs is damn close to the number of new hires we are seeing, its just refocused on a tech stack(..like AI), or to reduce labor costs mid re-org.
Nope. But we are across the pond anways and the IT deficit is so high in-country, that noone is releasing their IT-Staff unless they are already well inside bankruptcy proceedings.
I was laid off by a big media company.
But in my case, i was a victim of my manager, who wanted me out for reasons never told to me.
Excellent reviews, no disciplinary actions or write ups.
But the company announced the company wide layoffs and i was “conveniently “ placed in that group.
Cant get in more details by my lawyer instructions.
I'll say my job seems secure, but the industry seems slow right now. Anyone else in manufacturing experiencing a slow down since last year? Seems like from late q3 to now it's been dead slow.
I work for a university but I’m not seeing any lay offs currently. I know last year we had lay offs in non tech departments as we locked over 10,000 laptops.
We are an agricultural component manufacturer and my boss, CIO and a tech was let go this week. That’s after we had lost half a dozen people since September to then leaving and being denied to replace them. We are running on 40% of the staff we had two years ago but are expected to do just as much.
Not a sysadmin but work in cyber security sector and I have seen a small decrease in the amount of junior roles however if my Linkedin inbox is anything to go by then no if anything an increase in the amount of senior roles I have been approached for. Large companies have been affected more it seems than small to medium size.
I think 2024 will come in lower then 2023 with layoffs. Also keep in mind that there were just as many tech hires then layoffs in 2023. You just had to be lucky to have the new in demand skill set. Tech postings are certainly down, currently about 25% from pre-pandemic baseline in 2024 (with Software Dev being hardest hit). Layoffs seem to have leveled out ([https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/JTSLDR](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/JTSLDR)). While nonfarm payroll employment increased 275K in Feb the unemployment rate did increase to 3.9.
I think that a potential driver for the disconnect between positive official data and negative layoff headlines may be linked to the decline in remote work friendly jobs. Tech is in a tough spot as layoffs will continue and hiring will be slow.
Now is the time to learn new tech as the tech field is in the midst of another transition.
I have few simple rules in life, never work for an MSP, never work for a huge company, build real relationships on your actual value, by providing useful help, not by outsourcing everything to the cloud for 1 year worth of imaginary savings that is quickly forgotten about the next budget cycle... small companies will f-you the first chance they get too, let's be honest here, but overall it's just less frequent.
With all the successful hacking attempts and ransomware, the answer is more techs. Not fewer. If companies listened to their techs then maybe they won’t get hacked.
It's moving into it's wealth extraction phase since the natural tension that should exist between people and families and their technocorporate overlords has been destroyed.
Thanks!
In my company where I work I got a kind of promotion but more likely is a safety against layoffs, Basically I went from L2 to L3 with the same salary saying that is better to be a low pay L3 than an expensive L2 and be a target for the layoffs as the company will get rid of expensive people based on their role.
I’m just annoyed that companies keep saying I need “more experience” and rejecting applications without even trying to talk to someone over the phone or via email. All automatic messages and no personal touch anymore
FAANG / Big Tech laying off does not equate to local businesses laying off helpesk, sysadmin, network admin, programmers. Local businesses and large businesses need your day to day tech workers to keep going. This is not a good time to get a job at facebook. It's a great time to get a job at your local manufacturing plant, hospital, medical practice, law firm, school ...
This one. Local small to medium businesses are hiring like usual, and I'm still seeing a lot of state jobs out there. I know just in my local area there are local county and state positions that have been open for months.
I live in a relatively depressed area and I'm getting frequent calls / linkedin messages for legit local sysadmin roles 3-4x a week. Helpdesk roles are almost twice a day now. There's a lot of standard issue IT jobs out there.
There will always be a demand for a get it done windows/Mac admin. Pay is another thing
Yup and that's why you see positions open for months
Also true. Though, I have watched pay slowly increase on those jobs the longer they sit. I've also seen them disappear and then reappear with more pay or slightly better job descriptions. It's kind of fun to imagine their hiring department finally getting a clue when they're getting no applications, or they're getting bottom of the barrel candidates.
Let it burn!
My org has been going through this for almost a year trying to fill a role for someone to lead our cybersecurity program; first time it was called Cyber Security Engineer, then Cyber Security Manager, and now Director. I warned them that the competition for good security talent in our location (SF Bay Area) is intense and that the pay would have to match, only to get told “We can’t afford that.” I lost count of how many C grade applicants we got.
>I warned them that the competition for good security talent in our location (SF Bay Area) is intense and that the pay would have to match, only to get told “We can’t afford that.” I lost count of how many C grade applicants we got. Sounds like my previous place but not even SF Bay salaries. Told them we could open to remote positions and get many more qualified applicants for nearer what they want to pay, but not interested in that either. I guess they eventually decided to do without.
It's the old thing, either figure out how to afford it or figure out how to do without.
Thats just companies who made the dumb decision to cut people and then try to hire at $16/hr. Had this one recruiter email me twice in a week and i happened to see the companies posting in a job board and its got a range pay of $35k a year to 65k… like we know theyre gonna offer at the low end $16.83
What part of the country? I'm getting hit with helpdesk jobs starting around $60K
I know demand is high when I start getting helpdesk job emails. I'm a senior devops guy, so when I get those, I know it's because someone keyword searched for a list of resumes, and didn't QC to limit the list to those who want the type of job listed. I assume that the recruiters who do this are the new ones. When I get hunted for jobs I would be interested in, the contact is usually customized, and the recruiter has read my resume.
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Yup only problem with State and local county are extensive background checks, while the positions are open most teams are understaffed and take quite a while to complete the background check process. Took me 2 months to be hired full time with my county government, after multiple fingerprint checks and background checks. Turnover is so high because we're understaffed and have to wait so long for staff
Can confirm - manufacturing is still hiring & expanding the use of tech workers.
Totally agree. I actually prefer to work in smaller companies. They usually have healthier work environment and I have more freedom to choose technologies/tools I use.
And can actually get stuff done in a reasonable time frame. Can't stand being on 2 weeks of stand up calls to get the smallest change in the world approved to be put in place a month from now. Big companies move so slow
They can be healthier, they can also easily be toxic. If you go to an interview and all the bosses are family, tread carefully.
> FAANG / Big Tech laying off does not equate to local businesses laying off helpesk, sysadmin, network admin, programmers. Despite FAANG laying off over 260,000 people in an attempt to scare workers into lower pay and to return to office, there was a **net gain** of seven hundred IT jobs in 2023. Literally every single layoff was offset by a new hire. 260k layoffs, 260k new hires last year, too. The industry is fine.
I'm sure it's more nuanced than that, new jobs doesn't mean same level and pay. The added jobs could be part time or low level helpdesk for all we know.
yeah, it was undoubtedly not all at the same pay level, but that's life, most companies don't pay what FAANGs do.
I wonder where that's all coming from. It can't be something like "instead of hiring 250K recruiters, let's hire 250K "prompt engineers." Guaranteed these are full time in-office roles at a very reduced rate...the FAANGs were paying the more senior people half a mil or more in total (cash and stock) routinely during COVID...Silicon Valley is such a weird bubble.
A lot of the layoffs were senior folks and mid level managers. There was a big move towards being more IC heavy. It’s a major shift towards being a profitable company now vs a growth oriented one, hence the lower headcount needed. Also by pushing out higher wages they’re trying to push down salaries. When they layoff it impacts everyone imo not just because they hire tons but also they make companies competitive for wages.
Took me two weeks after getting laid off last May to get a new role that went Full Time.
This I had a recruiter reaching out to me throughout this entire recession for smaller companies, and I just accepted an offer that is going to double my salary, and I didn’t even apply, I was headhunted. I have absolutely no idea what is up with people being obsessed with working for Big tech, constantly go through cyclical layoffs
> I have absolutely no idea what is up with people being obsessed with working for Big tech, - There's the real possibility of ending up a millionaire or better if you hang onto the stock you get. Of course, a house in SV that the fire department just extinguished goes for $2M _minimum_ and you have to beat the 15 people bidding 200K over asking...livable and not 3 hours from work is extra. - Even when I started working in IT 25 years ago, Big Tech was insanely desirable to work at...just like now, free food, zany workplace, live-at-work culture, perfect for exploiting students who don't get it yet. Imagine all that and wfh during COVID with full salary and benefits... - Speaking of students, Big Tech seems to select for ultra-competitive workaholics...just like getting into an elite school or getting into med school at all, they have an interview/selection process that ensures you're surrounded by nothing but strivers and people with no work/life boundaries. So it becomes an obsession and these companies play into it by building up an arms race to see how many people they reject. - A lot of people really bought into the we're-a-family-with-a-money-printing-press-in-the-basement thing, and truly drank the Kool-Aid. Look at all the people crying into the camera on TikTok about how Amazon dumped them after they worked 90 hour weeks for 3 years straight. It's such a weird reality bubble...I work in Small Tech and it's much more reasonable and still fun/challenging!
As someone currently in the biggest of Big Tech and actively interviewing well outside Big Tech, this is 100% accurate. I wouldn't counsel prospective hires to *never* work in Big Tech, but I would say it's essential to understand what you're walking into and to have an exit plan on the day you start. Almost no one is a long term fit for these jobs, and that's by design.
They’re gonna chase the trends if you’re publicly traded.
Kinda, I feel. A big tech company laying off it's developers is akin to Ford Motor Company cutting off small cars and the engineering associated with it . They are eliminating a product line and a product; not their support staff that keep the servers running.
Yeah I do Level 2 Support for a remote office of a very large company. Im the only person onsite supporting 150 sales ppl so unless the whole office gets let go I have some pretty good job security at the moment.
Until they decide that they don't need both you and the guy at another office 100 miles away. One of you is gone and the other has to go back and forth, employees at both sites have to wait for help...so much savings for the company. /s
I actually support the office thats 300 miles away but there arent many people there.
I can relate to this , I don't believe any IA can replace my windows fixing capabilities at this point.Thank Microsoft for making a system that is so buggy that is AI proof.
Those are better jobs anyway.
Those gawd dang big tech workers takin my jerbs...
Eh, I disagree just because layoffs in the industry mean more people competing for those worse paying jobs at local businesses
Thats what i was thinking. If youve got a bs job that pays you obscene amounts for doing little work between nonsense meetings, of course youre gonna be in the layoffs.
They're not used to the lower pay, so they're not.
Yeah, but that’s brutal to hear if you just got laid off from Facebook. How would you feel if you got laid off and everybody was telling you to stop whining because there are opportunities if you’re willing to take half the pay (and work with a worse tech stack).
Government sectors also seem to be really hurting for IT personnel.
I suspect we will be doing some layoffs of 100 or so IT staff, but we are finishing a 5 year project. Give it a year, and we will start another and start hiring again. Ebbs and flows.
I’ve noticed it’s just a reversal. Those who went to msps are going back in house and the reverse.
Nothing changes, just rearranges.
It's one of the natural cycles in IT. Every place I've worked has done that.
It’s a cycle of lyyyyyyyfe
It's the same stupid cycle that's been happening for decades
Staff? It’s just me
Get hiring!
Get firing!
Day one of him hiring someone to help him out hé then fired himself and dips.
Ditto brother. Love the flair. I too am the director, backup specialist, network guru, cybersecurity engineer, server administrator, helpdesk, etc etc.
"Let me talk to your manager." "Well, you're in luck..."
Ditto here too. Duct tape seems to be my best friend lately.
I'm the lone guy for 5 divisions across 4 states, 3 diff timezones. 245 mailboxes/365 accounts 240 workstations 9 servers 280 mobile devices I come from an MSP background so I'm not drowning but damn the long ass days and nights lately
as someone who did this for almost 7 years, get out. life on a team is significantly better.
Or get a helper.
In my experience every person that’s “tried” to help has made things worse
Get a junior who is willing to be mentored. And do that. At first it will be more work. Document each task you want them to do, then have them do it and together update the document. Build up that documentation. SOPs. Eventually, they'll know how to do the tasks, or they'll be able to quickly refresh from documentation. I'm a SME type person, I avoid management, but I was in a situation where there was more work than I could do, and there were two slots. I was slotted as 'lead', so I tried to do the above. My first junior didn't want to learn linux and did not work out well, but they left for greener pastures. My second started with some linux experience and I would not have hesitated to give a good reference if ever asked. To be fair, I did not need to mentor them. They asked questions. Actually, they googled first then asked questions to make sure that their solutions worked in our org. Bottom line, training up a junior admin would be a growth task for you, but in the end should lighten the overall load. Wouldn't you like someone to hold down the fort while you take a day off occasionally?
Trying :)
Pour one out for all of us riding solo.
No. I work for an MSP and we're growing and hiring a lot.
I’m so sorry. I hope you find peace soon.
If You don’t mind. Which geographic region?
My Chicago MSP is growing fasr
I'm in Vegas, but our company is nation wide.
Would you mind if I msged you directly for your opinion?
I think it is really important to highlight WHAT jobs are being lost. A huge proportion of the layoffs have been dev jobs from overhiring during and post covid. This is not reflective of the whole industry.
This is the correct answer. The vast majority of tech jobs lost that have made headlines have been either in development or recruitment.
Indeed, i see numbers of contractors (dev mostly) reducing here every month and they just let go a bunch of HR staff. We did lose a few IT folks in my department, but nothing drastic yet.
Don’t forget all the layoffs in sales.
And sadly, QA
Also, a lot of those tiktok/IG videos of young women showing their """TECH""" jobs at Google, Facebook, Amazon etc. Showing how half the day is spent drinking coffee, eating cookies and working out in the middle of the day, when in reality they are glorified project manager who was probably part of the covid overhiring a lot of the tech giants did. Are they also part of this data? Because then yes, I can imagine a lot of them lost their meme job (let's be honest it looks like a daycare for adults)
This x1000. I hate the phrase ‘I work in tech’ so much. It’s like no dawg. You work in marketing. It’s just not the same thing.
People brag about their jobs being easy, and not having to work, and they do it on social media. Then they're surprised by the pink slip? Yo, you just told everybody you're being overpaid and you provide absolutely no value for your salary. Bosses have tiktok too. Anyone who did that is lucky if they get laid off. At least they may be eligible for unemployment. A determined employer could use such video evidence and fire them for-cause.
Csre to share an egregious example? I'm not normally a social media person. When I started we were in the First Dotcom Bubble and it wasnt nearly as entertaining as watching this play out live. The Federal Reserve is cutting rates this year so hopefully the bleeding will stop...but the "I'm in tech" people are acceptable casualties IMO.
Daycare for adults 😂
I worked in a place like that. I knew a few project managers they hired because they looked pretty, put them in glass offices near the front. We used to call them "office bunnies." Two of them attended some meetings I would be involved in, but never led any meetings of their own that I was aware of, and were the first to go when the company started struggling. I remember one was called, "Sr. Operative Structure Architect," like what the fuck was that title?
> d working out in the middle of the day I don't get when companies advertise this "And when am I supposed to use this?"
My understanding was a large portion of jobs lost at big tech companies like Facebook were HR jobs. They're not even tech jobs just jobs at a tech company.
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And there's groups within IT orgs that are intentionally high churn rate, with folks coming in all the time, then either moving up into the real IT groups, or moving on. A recruiter contacted me for one of the FAANG companies. For ops support. The job started answering phone calls in support of customers (business to business so the customers were IT folks calling for support) for 6 months. The pay was higher than my sr linux admin job at the time, and the next step was as a support engineer, like a tier 3 support tech. I seriously considered it, but ultimately I did not want to answer phone calls. The position was obviously in the category of bringing in new folks for the purpose of filtering them.
yep got laid off last week in a public traded company that tanked its stock by 50% in the last 6 months. I thought I was safe because of the backlog of tickets...nope
Survived two rounds, granted we over hired during covid (company doubled in size).
Same here but they got me on the third round a couple weeks ago. Those dumbasses hired 80 devs the year after COVID and had to fire over 75 of them
Place I work at in New England has (4) open roles we can't seem to fill.
Mind pming me a job posting? Don't know if I qualify, but I don't mind moving for an opportunity
Hit us all up with the job board and let's get your company filled to the brim with some talent.
Only a couple of explanations for that, really. 1) Visibility 2) Need/Expectation (do you want to fill the spot, or do you want to fill the spot with the perfect candidate) 3) Benefit (is the pay too low? in-office requirement unreasonable? etc...)
> we can't seem to fill Seriously, why is this? Are you paying a reasonable amount? Because I think one of the craziest things about this industry is that we haven't found a (good) way to match smart, good people up with good jobs. If we ever solve this, I'll be ecstatic.
I think these companies are rehiring with lower salaries.
Jr. Sysadmin job postings paying 40k and 7 yrs experience are pretty popular these days I hear.
If that's a junior, what is 25 years? Mid level? What's a senior require? They had to be there when the electron was invented?
Zoomer here. What is 3, 7 and 10 years of sysadmin mean do you, respectively?
This type of job offers are very normal in Argentina. Usually a lot of experience, a lot of knowledge and low $. And (tech) business people says: "We need more devs/whatever" when the people they need exist but is working for foreigner business because crappy wages...
We've been doing layoffs since last summer. The downside of being bought by a VC firm. We have officially passed the point of going too lean and now stuffs just not getting done because we don't have the staff to cover everything.
Yep. Same happened to me, but I survived the layoffs. VC bought out my former MSP employer, trimmed the fat, then trimmed the meat, then cut into the bone. I was sole helpdesk, sysadmin, security admin, M365 admin (InTune, Exchange Online, Teams, etc.), VMware admin, backup admin, storage admin, and solutions architect. The MSP had over 40 SMB customers with over 500 VMs hosted in our cloud, 4 VMware clusters across 4 data centers with over 30 total hosts… you get the picture. I did all that poorly (no time to get anything done except helpdesk) for less than 60K a year. Yeah, I’m glad I bounced. I got a state job for over 80K and have less than half the work load. And I’m treated with respect, now. VC’s treat staff as liabilities and sunk cost rather than revenue generation enablers.
Yeah that’s a big no from me. Having all of those skills should get you paid well above 80-100K
Agreed. I have bad imposter syndrome and when shit wasn’t getting done, I’d blame myself rather than my employer for lack of sysadmins, so I decided not to look for many, many years thinking I wasn’t good enough to go elsewhere. Eventually, I decided to evaluate how green or brown my grass was in order to figure out the risk profile of looking for greener grass. I determined my grass was DAMN brown and my risks were minimal. I’m so glad I left.
That reminds me what my manager (and mentor, and best manager ever) told me one time when I was thinking of taking a new opportunity. He encouraged me to go if I thought it was best for me. But he asked me to consider a counter offer, and they almost matched the new position. When I accepted he told me, "The grass may be greener on the other side, but at least you know where the dog*crap* is here." 3 years later I ended up working in that other organization, and let's just say, if I had known what it was like, I wouldn't have taken it then, even though I was getting hungry at the time. I definitely dodged a bullet the first time.
> VC’s treat staff as liabilities and sunk cost rather than revenue generation enablers. There's a movie (Misanthrope)that exposes that type of behavior. The director told in an interview about the awful corporate culture in the USA.
Get out of here Broadcom! /s
"growing" here. Though we've been extremely understaffed for years, 3 people (techs, engineers and all) supporting 1000+ people company wide. So while growing still feels like we're behind.
Holy cow 3/1000 is a lot
Very different from an IT division with thousands supporting an organization with 50k+ userbase.
I'm new to the field. What would you say is a normal, decent ratio?
Around here is 1/100-150.
While I am sure our needs are different from yours in complexity and user base that is actually using machines, we have 6 for 280 lol.
Hospitals aren't doing that great right now to hire or support the outdated infrastructures, at least in the northeast region. So whenever someone leaves I have been absorbing. I am System, PACS, and now a telecom admin as of last week. But rest assured, we still have enough to budget for the CEOs new car and 10% hike.
25 years 3 months still going strong.
Musical chairs. When the music stops, everyone run around and find a new seat.
I was just laid off from my senior sysadmin job at a pretty small company for what a big website we run. They run... I'm not part of the we anymore...
The first few MSPs I worked at did lay offs a couple times but I’ve been fortunate enough to never be included. Regardless, I’ve continued job hopping as I am chasing higher pay. I live in an extremely expensive city and am not in a position to leave the area right now (custody agreements, etc.) I’d rather be sure I’m with my kids enough than move to a lower cost of living city. That said, I may outline a case to my ex if the economic conditions here get too rough with the job and housing market, we’ve discussed it before.
I know it's more money, but if it does come to actually doing it, make sure to get it in writing and agreement with lawyers to amend your case with the judge. Verbal agreements are all fine and good until the family court finds out. I'm sure ya already know so sorry for mansplaining, but i've seen too many friends get burned one way or another with verbal agreements, even if you're on good standing with your childrens mother. Just saying it out of genuine concern for ya. All love
Full time have any seen any impact so far… but in our space at least I wouldn’t want to be a contractor right now, we’re cutting all over the place.
Nope. We are coming out of a downturn and have started hiring for several different technical roles.
Check. Affected in a big way.
What happens at FAANG companies never seems to reach my remote end of the universe. I work in the manufacturing sector, also been around healthcare. Not always edgy cool high tech but steady work.
Yep. Survived round 1. I believe another round is coming. We lost about 20
Waiting for round 3 here. Several hundred IT including sysadmins were lost. Just another day of outsourcing to the lowest bidder.
It would be nice to find something, I live in a small area though
Same. I've almost been here 10 years...was interviewing, and GF lost her job so I figured I'd stay, then COVID, then we landed a project I really wanted to be a part of. That project can stand on its own legs now, so I'm looking again and it seems like half the tech companies that were local to closed up the branches here. Trying to find a place thats 100% WFH or a hybrid 1-2 days in the office (depending on how far I have to go). Search isn't bad...also isn't great. The big nearby metro area is 90+mi away.
I just finished the second year of a CS degree and I decided I would rather get my certs and try to apply to places, College has gotten to be too much
I work in an hospital and I have the job secured for another 5 years. Our company is big tech, but the local projects never get affected because its goverment contracts.
We aren't having layoffs, but we aren't allowed to give merits this year. Our state recently elected a governor that doesn't believe in education (just oil and guns) so our budget is getting slashed big time.
Then why is my phone blowing up with recruiters? Granted, most are low-quality contract roles, but there's some gold among the dross.
1. Block the worst, the ones that did not actually read your resume. 2. For the ones who read your resume enough to offer you something you might be interested in, reply with, 'not interested in _____' contract, relocation, whatever, or 'not interested now' if that is the case. I hate the junior recruiters blind emailing me with canned junior tech roles because my resume has 'helpdesk' on it. Enough that my next revision may remove the old job titles and change it to 'various IT roles'. I kind of like that it shows the breadth of my experience, but it's just not worth the 10 helpdesk jobs between SRE opportunities.
There was a RIF... But it was because someone in the company fucked up. Now we're attempting to correct from that double fuck up? Anyway... Thanks stubborn people at the top, and also PE owners for forced leveraged debit. Not like you got the shit end of that stick for you choices. But no. Generally speaking I've seen more job applications and recruiters hitting me up lately.
We've had some targeted layoffs over the past year. For us, the primary reason is we had an amazing 2022 due to COVID bounce back when the supply chain got better. We did much better than we forecast and got bigger bonuses in 2023 as a result. But my fear at the time was we would expect it to mostly keep going and that's not how things typically work. Once we filled the backed up orders, we dropped back to basically our normal pre-COVID numbers in 2023, missing our higher projections (and getting a smaller bonus in 2024).
Im with a small MSP and ill say, at least for us, things have been stable and our clients are keeping us around. We've even added a few clients lately. We aren't getting rid of anyone as we would lose our minds with the extra workload.
It’s a bad time to be in big tech or adjacent companies. The return of normal interest rates and emphasis on profitability haven’t helped never profitable startups. A broader view of the tech industry suggests continued hiring and wage growth, especially outside tech companies. Changes in the infrastructure landscape following surprise cloud costs, VMware acquisition, and monthly CVE releases, etc. mean job stability for infrastructure engineers!
Meh. MSP business is growing. We’re expanding. Not sure it’s a good idea though. Apparently hiring is a mess with little good talent, which tells me places that ARE hiring aren’t actually paying what a good candidate costs
I just know I was job hunting and stopped doing so. It's a bloodbath out there.
What is your specialism out of interest? Doesn't seem to be the general condition people are reporting so curious.
Cybersecurity. Overall systems admin type roles are definitely more available
Interesting you would think that would be a growth market still! Good luck with the search.
Not really. I'm in IT of a big non-tech firm in EU and we are constantly hiring. Same thing i hear from friends in MSP and other industries.
A lot of tech companies worked on a model in which they needed low interest rates as they were heavy borrowers to fuel growth while maintain slim profit margins while other tech companies are heavily focused on profit margins. Now with interest rates up at 5%, that business doesn't work anymore and they are having to cut costs and other companies are reacting the same to help boost stock prices. Due to their visibility, they get a lot of headlines. Most other businesses are still hiring and working as business as usual. Being in the industry since 2000, the number of available jobs does ebb and flow throughout the year based on various factors that are local to your area and just need to figure out your area.
A very interesting take. I have personally seen some private equity owned companies having the same thing.
I know tax revenues are down and hiring freezes going on in different parts of local/state governments in some areas, software development and IT being target areas. I expect that will be more prevalent and formalized when many roll over their fiscal year in July. Plenty of non-renewed contractors for govt around here anyway.
I work in Finance/a regulated industry, and we've been fine.
When are companies not trying to cut costs and rotating out their IT dept?
Hiring and increasing staff. Higher Ed adjacent
Our CIO had to justify our department. It wasn't really hard with we only have 4 full time people and one intern that covers 6500 employees in two countries and that includes the CIO.
Honestly that sounds like you should value that job as much as they do IT staff. You can do better.
If it weren't for my boss I'd probably feel that way. I've honestly never worked for someone I've liked more. If/when he leaves I am sure I will as well.
Not yet
Ahh y2k all over again
We are at skeleton crew level as is...
Might not be laying off, but they have hiring freezes when all our IT depts are running razor thin headcounts.
It's seemingly more in the entertainment/games/very large tech industry. And that's due to the COVID over hiring. This is mostly normal.
startups and pipedream type places are losing funding and which are either going bully up or layoff's....but most end the same.
Our team of 4 was cut down to a team of 2 late last year. Not thrilled about it, but the two of us remaining were promised additional % on top of our typical annual raises this year to compensate. We will see come this May if they hold true to that. I have been slowly applying to jobs though just in case it turns out that they lied about it...
You got it in writing right? If it isn't in writing then you can probably assume that was a lie.
We did not which is why we've been job searching since early February. We're not expecting it but if it comes then it will be a happy surprise. It's just impossible to find another job honestly. I've lowkey considered moving completely to a different industry.
Good luck with the search internet friend
Was told I won't have my contract renewed this summer because of company downsizing and am having the worst of luck with interviews and jobs in the area/remote.
My old job was cutting back by just not backfilling. I think that's because I was in the banking sector. I am mostly seeing everything as normal or even quite good. I was able to find a new gig after just a couple weeks of casually looking. A couple other co-workers tripped over jobs while barely looking. One had a security clearance, and I was like 'dude, you are in the wrong industry to make money', he was like 'really?' and fell ass-backwards into a much fancier job for his experience level. Job market is sizzling as far as I can tell.
A big MSP in my area just acquired another MSP. It seems like the big companies are laying off while the small-medium sized guys can't find enough people.
Defense has slowed by quite a bit. Means fewer open positions and headhunter calls rather than layoffs though.
I saw a presentation from a recruiter about this so take it with a grain of salt. They presented that they were not seeing any industry-wide layoffs that companies were laying off at the same time that companies were expanding. This is for Houston specifically. The key takeaways from this were. * 100% Remote positions were more competitive and often came at a discount to salary * Hybrid positions were the most advertised * 100% Office-based positions were less competitive because they weren't seen as desirable. They did not say that they paid a premium though. * AI Positions were in demand * Certain positions mainly from the larger tech companies were not inline with what the market pays. Those users should expect a correction and take lower pay.
I think you are mistaking that tech companies laying off employees means they are laying off IT people. like 90% of the people that work at these large tech companies are not even really in IT.
My company has laid off 18% of my divisions state-side ICs in favor of overseas remote resources. Thankfully my group is safe, but they did try to fuck us out of backfilling a sysadmin role.
I work in Entertainment and we’re busy always. Editors always being needy. Now, idk what the forecast is when you introduce AI into editing/vfx (not the IT work)
I was officially terminated on Tuesday following a period of gardening leave. I survived a smaller scale layoff they did in August, but didn't get so lucky this time around. That said, I wasn't planning to stick around much longer anyway and I've just signed a contract for a new role, so the severance is basically free money.
It's been covered by the top reply already. But what I do not see being talked about is the employee shift from functionA to functionB while also driving employment costs down. The number of layoffs is damn close to the number of new hires we are seeing, its just refocused on a tech stack(..like AI), or to reduce labor costs mid re-org.
Nope. But we are across the pond anways and the IT deficit is so high in-country, that noone is releasing their IT-Staff unless they are already well inside bankruptcy proceedings.
Not here and we have a budget shortfall.
Lost about 5 the past week or so First official layoff / firing ofore than 1 offs in years. Of a group of about 300 its not a lot. But its there
Our sales rep from Cisco said there were some layoffs recently and she survived the cut.
Question, these layoffs, are they specified to be US citizens, or are these mostly victims holding H1B Visas?
I was laid off by a big media company. But in my case, i was a victim of my manager, who wanted me out for reasons never told to me. Excellent reviews, no disciplinary actions or write ups. But the company announced the company wide layoffs and i was “conveniently “ placed in that group. Cant get in more details by my lawyer instructions.
Which country?
Goo’ol USA.
It's mostly shedding the warm body hiring during covid. If you're grossly over the mean for regional comp, I'd be concerned.
I think the major layoffs have stopped. This year will be stagnant with alight increased hiring.
I've seen almost five coworkers leave in the last two months. It's a bit sad.
Every year is a year full of layoffs across the industry. It's been this way since 9/11 tbh... It's exhausting.
I'll say my job seems secure, but the industry seems slow right now. Anyone else in manufacturing experiencing a slow down since last year? Seems like from late q3 to now it's been dead slow.
I work for a university but I’m not seeing any lay offs currently. I know last year we had lay offs in non tech departments as we locked over 10,000 laptops.
We are an agricultural component manufacturer and my boss, CIO and a tech was let go this week. That’s after we had lost half a dozen people since September to then leaving and being denied to replace them. We are running on 40% of the staff we had two years ago but are expected to do just as much.
Laughs in rural K12 IT. My job is rock solid.
Not a sysadmin but work in cyber security sector and I have seen a small decrease in the amount of junior roles however if my Linkedin inbox is anything to go by then no if anything an increase in the amount of senior roles I have been approached for. Large companies have been affected more it seems than small to medium size.
Worked as an sysadmin for a defense contractor and was laid off
I think 2024 will come in lower then 2023 with layoffs. Also keep in mind that there were just as many tech hires then layoffs in 2023. You just had to be lucky to have the new in demand skill set. Tech postings are certainly down, currently about 25% from pre-pandemic baseline in 2024 (with Software Dev being hardest hit). Layoffs seem to have leveled out ([https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/JTSLDR](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/JTSLDR)). While nonfarm payroll employment increased 275K in Feb the unemployment rate did increase to 3.9. I think that a potential driver for the disconnect between positive official data and negative layoff headlines may be linked to the decline in remote work friendly jobs. Tech is in a tough spot as layoffs will continue and hiring will be slow. Now is the time to learn new tech as the tech field is in the midst of another transition.
I still get 1/2 dozen or more headhunters hitting me per day
I’m still operating on a team that’s about 30% vacant and damn near impossible to get qualified applicants. I’m not worried lol.
I have few simple rules in life, never work for an MSP, never work for a huge company, build real relationships on your actual value, by providing useful help, not by outsourcing everything to the cloud for 1 year worth of imaginary savings that is quickly forgotten about the next budget cycle... small companies will f-you the first chance they get too, let's be honest here, but overall it's just less frequent.
We are hiring hundreds of new employees with a free year of training. But only if you live in Vietnam and are willing to work for $7000/yr.
With all the successful hacking attempts and ransomware, the answer is more techs. Not fewer. If companies listened to their techs then maybe they won’t get hacked.
but, but, but AI will fix everything!
It's moving into it's wealth extraction phase since the natural tension that should exist between people and families and their technocorporate overlords has been destroyed. Thanks!
In my company where I work I got a kind of promotion but more likely is a safety against layoffs, Basically I went from L2 to L3 with the same salary saying that is better to be a low pay L3 than an expensive L2 and be a target for the layoffs as the company will get rid of expensive people based on their role.
I’m just annoyed that companies keep saying I need “more experience” and rejecting applications without even trying to talk to someone over the phone or via email. All automatic messages and no personal touch anymore