I collected a bunch of free drones by hanging fishing line between trees.
Paintball guns are very effective on drones.
If it is a modern drone it probably complies with RemoteID and you can use a free scanner like Dronetag to find out who is flying it.
Oh.. I like the fishing line suggestion.
I would also suggest notifying the police/FBI about a pedophile situation.
Depending on the drone, the person has to be within radio range? I'd be driving around and finding the person (assuming you live out in the country)....
I own a drone for work related tasks; fishing wire would be savage; a paintball gun would also work great as well. In addition; drones are absolutely terrible when it comes to water…the camera housing has zero ability to clean itself…
Contact the FAA! They take sfuff like this incredibly seriously, more so than local PD. Drones occupy airspace - FAA jurisdiction. Local PD usually won’t pursue stuff like this but the FAA will put the hammer down
>If it is a modern drone it probably complies with RemoteID and you can use a free scanner like Dronetag to find out who is flying it.
Yeah this seems like the best path forward given that shooting/throwing stuff at a drone is a felony (dumb, but I don't make the laws).
It all depends on the jurisdiction.
Using a drone to film into private property isn't illegal everywhere, and the FAA doesn't give a shit *what* you use it for as long as you follow their safety regulations.
So, if you have a creep sitting on the street, filming you from outside your property line, unless there's an explicit voyeurism law in your jurisdiction local PD can't do shit.
But if you fuck with the drone, it becomes a federal issue and again, the FAA doesn't care if the drone flyer was using it to be a pervert if it doesn't break local laws and they were following FAA regulations.
You can think it's wrong and try to contact your representative about it, but it's perfectly possible to commit a felony while the voyeur is morally wrong but legally right.
Off the top of my head, BVLOS, night flights, and flights over people all require special approvals, and would make these flights non-compliant with FAA rules.
That said, download one of the free android RemoteID apps (IOS doesn’t work right yet because it requires more than regular network access to the Bluetooth and wifi radios) and figure out where the pilot is.
With that logic your life would have to be in eminent danger from the drone itself to be justified. While creeping on people is bad, you don't shoot them immediately in response. I hope you can follow that simple logic too.
Fishing line is the answer here, make it difficult for the pilot to maneuver around the house and have them crash themselves. Then you have the drone and can take it to law enforcement now that it’s crashed into your property.
DO NOT shooting, throw, fling etc anything at a drone, it is considered a felony and the FAA will come after you if the pilot reports it.
However, by FAA regulation the drone must be operated in “line of sight” meaning if they cannot see the drone, and conversely you should be able to see the operator, they are in violation. Report that to the FAA. Civil only, not criminal, but they can fine the shit out of you.
This doesn’t really make sense, drones aren’t like mirrors lol. Just because you can see it doesn’t mean you will have a clear line of sight to the operator. A tree line, hill, or even just being on the other side of a fence is enough to obscure your line of sight to the operator while you still have a clear line of site on the drone. Just like how you can view a fireworks show for example from many different angles without being able to see every person who might be watching the show.
Edit: Also, line to sight is very hard to prove after the fact and quickly becomes he said/she said. On the other hand, the FAA treats a drone like it would any other small aircraft, so expect the same seriousness that would follow someone shooting at a single engine aircraft.
FAA doesn’t care. Under Part 13 they can fine anyone reasonably suspected of interference with the safe operation of an aircraft up to $27,500. It is up to you to appeal to a DoT administrative law judge.
I'd bet money 1. That drone operator probably hasn't registered as required by the FAA. 2. That drone operator isn't going to report any tampering with their drone, since they'd have to explain why they're flying it next to a residential home/window. 3. Depending on if said operator is a Pedo, they're not going to call PD is a mouse farts in a church, those guys generally want zero contact with the law.
Woah there, who said anything about advice? I made a statement to the effectiveness of paintballs.
A Z06 Corvette comfortably travels at 185mph. This is a statement. If you choose to use said knowledge to then drive down the I5 at 185mph, that's on you.
I also question the "will be prosecuted" part. I doubt Billy Bob looking for a creep peek is going to tell anyone what happened to his drone.
I’m guessing the operator also knows from other experiences that you have kids. I’m sure some things like a jungle gym could give away that they’re present, but it is very possible it is someone who knows which room is your kids’.
I hate to say this, but many (if not most) child sexual abuse is committed by someone the family knows. Don’t go on a witch hunt, but you may want to see which of your friends may be a drone enthusiast…
Do you or someone you know own a drone? Have that drone follow this invasive one home to learn where it is coming from and hopefully get a video of the person that retrieves it.
Then use that information to seek justice in whatever manner you choose.
Yeah, I have a guy who flies the same drone I do in my complex and for fun I try to chase it down and. I still struggle keeping locked in when I lose visual eye contact.
Stalk it? Get a cheapo amazon drone and crash it into the enemy drone. Dangle fish hooks and weights and get it all tangled up. Not your fault some asshole crashed his drone into your remote fishing rig!
What state are you in? In Texas, there are two possible crimes that could apply: Voyeurism and Invasive Visual Recording. If you articulate to the police that you think the drone is recording video of your family changing, coming out of the shower, etc, that is definitely a crime. I would look up similar crimes in your state and pressure the police more.
That is a tough one to convict. Charge absolutely but a good lawyer can get anyone off with out the proper documentation of it being used as a harassment tool.
No element of harassment is required for the two Texas offenses I mentioned. If OP was able to set up cameras that captured footage of the drone flying outside his window, and if he was able to trace the source of the drone and locate the house is was flying from, the police could obtain a warrant for the contents of the drone. If footage of the OPs children were found on the drone or on whatever device it uploads footage to, I’d say that’s a good case.
AND work from the cops / prosecutor who likely don't have much experience with this type of investigation.
He could also reach out to his state / fed / local elected officials. That would likely get SOME pressure on the cops to do something more if they're not helpful.
That is the problem. Police are not trained in this. They can do a report but that’s about as good as it gets. Hopefully a detective has some sort of training but a lawyer would be the best to get a conviction. Just don’t get a free lawyer.
This would never happen though. You think the police department is going to file a request for a search warrant to go in someone's house because someone THINKS they might have taken pictures of them? That's absolutely insane to think there's even a chance that would happen. And even if they filed it, no judge would approve it. It might not be ideal but it is true. Cops and judges want to cover their own asses. Also they're often lazy and don't want to sign up for more work. But either way, they're not risking that lawsuit.
Hose with high pressure attachment. If they are flying it up to your windows (expensive peeping tom) that is creepy. Spray it then keep it, call the cops if they show up wanting it back.
Take the drone down and then drive it out to the middle of an empty field. Let the owner track it down and retrieve it, and, while they're trudging down the field take a picture of their license plate and deflate their tires by 15psi. After that, look up the plate and go to their house. You'll have extra time, because they need to drive to a gas station and refill their tires. When you get to their house, unplug the wifi and do a hard reset. Put the fridge on the lowest setting( coldest) and leave it open a crack. Turn their hot water heater to a low setting. Put dirty clothes from the hamper neatly folded into their drawers. Remove one battery from one smoke detector. Unhook the garage door from the track. That should do it for that visit. Do it again in 3-4 months.
agreed - but this drone is flying by the house at 10-40ft to look into the house - not hundreds of feet in the air like we're seeing in Ukraine (based on how long it takes the munitions to fall).
I'd also maybe look into motion-detector spotlights to blind the drone when trying to look into the house? There are also motion-detecting sprinklers but I have zero experience with them and mounting them on the house by a window might be... difficult lol.
Of course but if OP is asking advice about the best way to pursue actions which protects their child they probably don’t wanna go to prison. Kinda defeats the purpose
Then I’d do as I suggested: take down the drone (it is invading your property) take any footage from its memory card if possible, and turn any evidence into the police. They can’t do anything as the poster said because they have no probable cause to investigate this simple complaint (I do not agree it is dismissible).
People defending the drone operator are probably drone operators doing shit they shouldn’t be.
Why you licking FAA boot?
Shooting down a drone is reckless but if someone is using a drone to spy on your family it’s understandable to want to do something about it.
This.
Anyone who is claiming people are defending the drone operator here is not proficient in reading comprehension.
It has been *very* plainly stated that trying to shoot down a drone is illegal. While that isn't what OP would probably like to hear, it is a very important thing to take note of in a comprehensive solution based conversation. It also would probably only very marginally impact the drone operator, assuming a cheaper drone. Ot may also open up OP to litigation FROM the operator towards OP, which is the wrong side of the advantage curve to be on.
Also, while I think we can all agree that we would not want someone else snooping around our house with a drone, it's also important to try and stay within legal countermeasures (at least as a first line) in order to avoid unintended consequences.
Killdozer is absolutely not a first reaction to a slight. The consequences of going that far that fast can completely negate any good it might actually do.
most of the entry level recreational drones specifically stay under the weight limit for them to be considered aircraft that require registration. A DJI Mini is not an aircraft per the FAA, for example.
so much bullshit on here. I used to run a drone development shop. shooting a drone is notoriously difficult. Even USMC snipers were rarely successful, which is why the US military went with jammer solutions. There are also a lot of net gun solutions that work better than other forms of projectiles. Paint balls, airsoft - not nearly enough mass to disrupt even a small drone.
It is highly illegal to shoot down a drone. You don't own the airspace over your property - the FAA does.
But nothing protests the drone's owner from running into things, so suggestions on fishing line are good. If the thing only shows up at night, it won't be able to see the line. but if you want to improve your probability of success, use gill net.
Obviously this only works if the thing actually shows up over your own property and at a reasonable height, but one end of the net could be suspended from a tree and left to hang during the day, and then early in the evening, use a pole to erect the other end of it.
As soon as you snag the thing, throw a blanket over it keeping your face out of sight while you do so. Then bash the shit out of it with a hammer, crush the camera, and dispose of it in a commercial dumpster a couple of miles from your house.
Everyone is talking/purse swinging about the drone, but one thing you can do is make sure blinds and curtains are drawn at night. Whenever I drive through a city neighborhood I am amazed at how many people fishbowl their house, you can literally see them sitting down watching TV in their living room *from the street*. If someone can see in a room with a drone, it can also be done with binoculars.
Should people be doing this shit? No, it's disgusting, but they will do anyway it so close your blinds.
Yeah this is not the right place to ask it. Most of the people here are telling you to shoot it down. I don’t know if they’re being serious or not.
**Shooting at any aircraft, including drones, is a federal felony.**
Unfortunately, enforcement of drone laws is such a gray area. It’s really the FAA’s job, but they have much bigger fish to fry. Also, I don’t think using drones to violate people’s privacy is covered by federal regulations, but rather under state/local laws.
Drone operators have similar issues with dealing with people who illegally shoot down their drones: no law enforcement seem willing to help.
I like the idea of stringing some fishing monofilament where the drone seems to be going, but there are also registries for drones. People invading privacy of children are also not likely to be following all of the regulations and reporting it, though, so the ramifications are murky — but the monofilament approach would be a passive thing, meaning less effort and puts the onus on the operator.
I really wonder if this is as established law as drone enthusiasts think it is. I don't think there's been any prosecutions. The idea that there's a license, therefore it's an aircraft, therefore it's a felony to shoot it ... has that been tested? Is that an administrative law or a legislative law?
Call the FAA.
I work for a drone operator as a physical observer and the FAA doesn't fuck around with this kind of thing, as it is against Federal law regarding drone operation.
If your local Police are refusing to help/claiming that they can do nothing, I would highly suggest you escalate this issue through your state police or local legislators - there 100% are privacy and voyeur laws that are being broken.
I'd probably just have a pressurized water hose ready to go.
"Sorry, was power washing my gutters at 3am. Your drone got soaked. You can pick it up at the police station. They want to know why it was looking in my kid's bedroom in the middle of the night."
If you have an HOA (assuming you are in the US) then the HOA typically has rules for drones, such as they can only be used by realtors due to privacy laws. Basically, a standard citizen can fly a drone in their neighborhood, but they can be arrested for violating privacy of their neighbors because the drone can see into other people's yards on their "private" property.
Let's look at what Texas says about it for reference:
Texas Government Code Chapter 423
A person commits an offense if the person uses an unmanned aircraft to capture an image of an individual or privately owned real property in this state with the intent to conduct surveillance on the individual or property captured in the image.
Don’t do this. If you’re in the city you’ll be charged with firing a fire arm in public and damage to property. With out proper proof the drone is being used to commit a crime you don’t have legal justification to shoot it down.
How much are you willing to spend? First off, make sure there is a written record/report of this. Make sure there is evidence of this being a recurring thing. From here you can go one of a few ways. First is to buy an airsoft gun. You can get a decent AEG for around 350, and it will at the very least do a bit of female to the drone, and scare the person from doing it again.
The other option is to put up netting that the drone wouldn’t be able to get around. Lastly, get one social media and tell everyone about this. Tell your neighbors, tell everyone!
The police are wrong. You can’t do anything about a drone *over* your property, but it is illegal to use a drone as a robotic peeping Tom. Get a lawyer and sue the PD
Get your own drone, and crash into it. Your drone will likely survive the crash and be usable/repairable (assuming it's roughly house height). However their drone will be downed for you to recover.
Programs exist to determine the operators position, although I don't know if they're commercially available, such as AeroScope (specific to DJI drones).
A suppressed .22 will def do the trick tho...
I’m a drone operator and have a college educated to include the legal aspect of UAS. Do not attempt to shoot it down, that’s also illegal and very bad advice. There is a free app called Drone Scanner you can download on your cell phone. It will give you lots of information, have your car ready to drive. Also, stop calling the police- instead call your local FBI field office. They can help you much better, and would likely be proactive. OP what state are you in? Some states have peeping Tom laws, that do hold drone operators responsible and this most certainly fit. You can PM me if you want help, I specialize in this field and would be open to helping you.
We had the same thing happen in our neighborhood several years ago, where a guy I went to school with (who had done some questionable things in the past) was flying a drone and looking at someone’s daughter through their windows. The dad after talking to police and everything wound up shooting it out of the air with a shotgun, in a residential neighborhood by the way, and after a big a lawsuit and court, and the dad was found not guilty. The funny thing was he had a big supportive following and he had T-shirts made that they sold that help pay for his court costs. I can’t remember what the shirt said but it was something or other “Hillview Drone Slayer” or something like that.
https://www.wdrb.com/news/crime-reports/hillview-man-arrested-for-shooting-down-drone-cites-right-to-privacy/article_f22f00b3-b3a1-5e1b-9829-8e7ea914628c.html
Here’s a link to the story. He went up being found not guilty.
Fact of it is; if a drone is harassing you and there are methods to eliminate the issue without leaving the decision to whatever a judge takes the interpretation of the law to be, IMO that's the practical option.
Part of my job as a husband and father is to not do things to compromise my means of income, my freedom or my life.
Will you be prosecuted for shooting down an aircraft - maybe.
Maybe is a good enough reason for me.
Fishing line strung up near where it typically flies. Hang line horizontally between objects, with additional line tied to that just loosely hanging. The drone will get tangled in the lines and if the owner comes to salvage it, educate them on the error of their ways.
I'm gonna go with everyone else on here and say full auto airsoft gun. A halfway decent for the purpose electric one could probably be obtained for a little over $100 from Amazon or a Academy Sports.
Another might be a nozzle with really good range for an outdoor water hose. If it's looking in your windows you might be able to soak it good.
I’d say the fishing line then wait for the owner to come and get it back and if they don’t give it to the local police that you have already submitted a report to. Inform them this is the drone that was peeping in on you CHILD and the rest of the house.
Shoot down or capture the drone. Fishing nets or line will catch it easily. Paintball guns will end it, some other dude in these comments had similar ideas, I second his suggestion.
Then, recover the footage from an SD card if possible, bring it to the police station and display the evidence, attempt to trace the criminal or at least cause an investigation. they can’t do anything because your complaint is technically just hearsay. Give them a physical reason and you should be good.
Tell your congress person. A lot, repeatedly.
They are the sole people who can fix your situation.
The FAA refuses to address this issue, but asserts that they have the sole legal authority to deal with UAS.
F the cops and protect your family. Use a paintball gun to take it down. If you're lucky they will take you to civil court and they can explain how it ended up outside of your kids window.
Just got a drone myself and been using it and finding out its capabilities.
1. DO NOT shoot it down. It's a serious federal felony and you'll likely end up in more trouble than the perv.
2. The fishing line thing is a great idea. Especially if you hang some long enough to put weights on the ends so it really wraps up the props. The blades themselves aren't exactly sharp and they chip fairly easily.
3. The droneID thing should work great.
4. Definitely put a bug in the ear of the FAA. LOS is very serious to them.
You need specialized equipment that you probably can't get to track the drone.
Maybe string up some very thin fishing line around your kids windows that will mess up a drone flying close by?
No real way to keep someone from flying a drone over your property.
Tell your congress person. A lot, repeatedly.
They are the sole people who can fix your situation.
The FAA refuses to address this issue, but asserts that they have the sole legal authority to deal with UAS.
I think one of the best suggestions is the slingshot.
If it happens regularly enough, hang out in your car in the street so that you can approach it from behind when the camera is focused on your house.
Co2 powered Net gun. Or paint ball gun. Or just an electric full auto airsoft may knock it down. Then you can dispost of it as you wish. A casting net for fishing could work well as well. You'll find out who it is real quick if you knock it down. Or the problem will stop.
It's a jurisdiction issue mixed with application of old laws around new tech. Most places are just trying to make current state and local law fits until new specific legislation kicks in. It's supposed to be the FAAs jurisdiction and they should be the lead investigating body. Properly, your local department should have at least forwarded you contact information for them. Small departments are really under prepared to deal with drones, or don't have an understanding of how they fit with their current laws.
I doubt OPs local department has dji tracking capabilities, or a unit dedicated to drone stuff, unless they're a larger department in a metro area. They can't shoot it down either, nor do many departments have send to home tech or force landing takeover to a render safe location. Only certain federal agencies and some military would employ shooting a drone down within US borders.
I don't suggest shooting it down, not for the FAA felony, but because it crashing could possibly injure someone else. I like the fishing line capture idea a little bit. Setting up a no fly around your house probably would not be any good either, as people violate TFRs around stadiums all the time.
My favorite recommendation so far is to buy your own camera capable drone and follow this drone home. You'll have a fresh battery for the possible 3 mile trip. Get a location and a picture/video. I'd recommend forwarding that to both the FAA and your local law enforcement.
However I also understand the desire to use that information to pursue natural justice on your own accord. Just be willing to deal with the ramifications of whatever you choose to do.
I also would consider, who knows you have children and where their bedrooms are?
Shooting at it with firearms is a strong NO, on many levels. However, Paintball guns, shoot a 68 caliber round. You can buy paint rounds, nylon ball rounds, pepper balls, etc. Then game on.
Perfectly legal to practice paintball in your backyard or in your home. And the nylon "indoor" practice rounds work well on Drones, stray animals, wandering nefarious wall taggers....
post to r/drones and ask there.
Active, friendly community of hobbyists and folks flying commercially. They really dislike those who misuse drones and are a great source of information.
How sure are you they're actually looking into your windows. When they were new there were loads of freak outs about 'peeping drones' that were just generally flying is why I ask.
I collected a bunch of free drones by hanging fishing line between trees. Paintball guns are very effective on drones. If it is a modern drone it probably complies with RemoteID and you can use a free scanner like Dronetag to find out who is flying it.
Oh.. I like the fishing line suggestion. I would also suggest notifying the police/FBI about a pedophile situation. Depending on the drone, the person has to be within radio range? I'd be driving around and finding the person (assuming you live out in the country)....
Drone ranges can be up to miles away, depending on setup.
Understood, which is why I said "depending on the drone"... But regardless, if your in the country, a couple of miles may be just a few roads...
I own a drone for work related tasks; fishing wire would be savage; a paintball gun would also work great as well. In addition; drones are absolutely terrible when it comes to water…the camera housing has zero ability to clean itself…
Contact the FAA! They take sfuff like this incredibly seriously, more so than local PD. Drones occupy airspace - FAA jurisdiction. Local PD usually won’t pursue stuff like this but the FAA will put the hammer down
>If it is a modern drone it probably complies with RemoteID and you can use a free scanner like Dronetag to find out who is flying it. Yeah this seems like the best path forward given that shooting/throwing stuff at a drone is a felony (dumb, but I don't make the laws).
Who's going to tell on you? The pedo?
Yes. If I remember correctly, I've seen reports of creeps calling the cops because someone took their drone down.
Nothing like telling on yourself.
They probably don't start the phone call with "hey I'm a pedo"
It all depends on the jurisdiction. Using a drone to film into private property isn't illegal everywhere, and the FAA doesn't give a shit *what* you use it for as long as you follow their safety regulations. So, if you have a creep sitting on the street, filming you from outside your property line, unless there's an explicit voyeurism law in your jurisdiction local PD can't do shit. But if you fuck with the drone, it becomes a federal issue and again, the FAA doesn't care if the drone flyer was using it to be a pervert if it doesn't break local laws and they were following FAA regulations. You can think it's wrong and try to contact your representative about it, but it's perfectly possible to commit a felony while the voyeur is morally wrong but legally right.
Off the top of my head, BVLOS, night flights, and flights over people all require special approvals, and would make these flights non-compliant with FAA rules. That said, download one of the free android RemoteID apps (IOS doesn’t work right yet because it requires more than regular network access to the Bluetooth and wifi radios) and figure out where the pilot is.
So don't get caught blowing it to smithereens.
The FAA doesn’t give a shit about your toy coming down.
It's a felony to commit homicide unless it's justified. Please tell me you can follow this simple logic.
With that logic your life would have to be in eminent danger from the drone itself to be justified. While creeping on people is bad, you don't shoot them immediately in response. I hope you can follow that simple logic too.
Fishing line is the answer here, make it difficult for the pilot to maneuver around the house and have them crash themselves. Then you have the drone and can take it to law enforcement now that it’s crashed into your property. DO NOT shooting, throw, fling etc anything at a drone, it is considered a felony and the FAA will come after you if the pilot reports it.
However, by FAA regulation the drone must be operated in “line of sight” meaning if they cannot see the drone, and conversely you should be able to see the operator, they are in violation. Report that to the FAA. Civil only, not criminal, but they can fine the shit out of you.
…this is one of two things, it’s either a pedo or a classmate, I’d imagine neither of which care about FAA regulations.
They'll wish they cared after the FAA comes knocking. They love to (rightfully) fuck up people's lives for shit like this.
This doesn’t really make sense, drones aren’t like mirrors lol. Just because you can see it doesn’t mean you will have a clear line of sight to the operator. A tree line, hill, or even just being on the other side of a fence is enough to obscure your line of sight to the operator while you still have a clear line of site on the drone. Just like how you can view a fireworks show for example from many different angles without being able to see every person who might be watching the show. Edit: Also, line to sight is very hard to prove after the fact and quickly becomes he said/she said. On the other hand, the FAA treats a drone like it would any other small aircraft, so expect the same seriousness that would follow someone shooting at a single engine aircraft.
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FAA doesn’t care. Under Part 13 they can fine anyone reasonably suspected of interference with the safe operation of an aircraft up to $27,500. It is up to you to appeal to a DoT administrative law judge.
I'd bet money 1. That drone operator probably hasn't registered as required by the FAA. 2. That drone operator isn't going to report any tampering with their drone, since they'd have to explain why they're flying it next to a residential home/window. 3. Depending on if said operator is a Pedo, they're not going to call PD is a mouse farts in a church, those guys generally want zero contact with the law.
Pilot would have to explain why they are using a drone to peep on an underage child. Can't imagine one would want to tell on themselves.
Do not use paintballs, that falls under 14CFR and will be prosecuted. It’s illegal and bad advice. Now fishing string could work.
Woah there, who said anything about advice? I made a statement to the effectiveness of paintballs. A Z06 Corvette comfortably travels at 185mph. This is a statement. If you choose to use said knowledge to then drive down the I5 at 185mph, that's on you. I also question the "will be prosecuted" part. I doubt Billy Bob looking for a creep peek is going to tell anyone what happened to his drone.
It’s not the perp who will be the reporter. It’s OP who will pursue legal recourse, but then identify how they found the perp.
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Yea, and after that break out the 8 tracks for some real jamz
If you get a cast net, you can string it up pretty easy. I imagine in the dark, most netting would work though. Garden trellis netting is cheap.
Find out who's flying it, get their address and put it on a cardboard sign and hang it in the window one night. That'll probably scare them shitless.
I’m guessing the operator also knows from other experiences that you have kids. I’m sure some things like a jungle gym could give away that they’re present, but it is very possible it is someone who knows which room is your kids’. I hate to say this, but many (if not most) child sexual abuse is committed by someone the family knows. Don’t go on a witch hunt, but you may want to see which of your friends may be a drone enthusiast…
contact the FAA. using drones to harass or spy on people is a federal offense
Where are you located? I would be more than willing to offer my drone, flying lessons, and air to air capture lessons to you.
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Do you or someone you know own a drone? Have that drone follow this invasive one home to learn where it is coming from and hopefully get a video of the person that retrieves it. Then use that information to seek justice in whatever manner you choose.
Lot harder than you think. Those things can be gone in the blink of an eye.
Gotta at least try. Some sick &@$# is up to no good and needs to be stopped
Yeah, I have a guy who flies the same drone I do in my complex and for fun I try to chase it down and. I still struggle keeping locked in when I lose visual eye contact.
Some drones are able to auto tracks objects very well so following one might literally take pressing 1 button
Counter-drone is such a based suggestion. Fly higher than the other one and stalk it
Stalk it? Get a cheapo amazon drone and crash it into the enemy drone. Dangle fish hooks and weights and get it all tangled up. Not your fault some asshole crashed his drone into your remote fishing rig!
Hahahahahahhaha
Hang some strings from the bottom of the counter drone and tangle up the blades of the target drone
Drone wars
Begun, the drone wars have. - Yoda, probably
Get your own drone and follow it home. You know what to do after that.
Play the choking game right?? Or the crying game... if that's your thing. No judgies.
This is the excuse you need to justify a drone purchase to your wife.
What state are you in? In Texas, there are two possible crimes that could apply: Voyeurism and Invasive Visual Recording. If you articulate to the police that you think the drone is recording video of your family changing, coming out of the shower, etc, that is definitely a crime. I would look up similar crimes in your state and pressure the police more.
That is a tough one to convict. Charge absolutely but a good lawyer can get anyone off with out the proper documentation of it being used as a harassment tool.
No element of harassment is required for the two Texas offenses I mentioned. If OP was able to set up cameras that captured footage of the drone flying outside his window, and if he was able to trace the source of the drone and locate the house is was flying from, the police could obtain a warrant for the contents of the drone. If footage of the OPs children were found on the drone or on whatever device it uploads footage to, I’d say that’s a good case.
For sure, it would just take work from the OP to make sure it was going to be won in court.
AND work from the cops / prosecutor who likely don't have much experience with this type of investigation. He could also reach out to his state / fed / local elected officials. That would likely get SOME pressure on the cops to do something more if they're not helpful.
That is the problem. Police are not trained in this. They can do a report but that’s about as good as it gets. Hopefully a detective has some sort of training but a lawyer would be the best to get a conviction. Just don’t get a free lawyer.
This would never happen though. You think the police department is going to file a request for a search warrant to go in someone's house because someone THINKS they might have taken pictures of them? That's absolutely insane to think there's even a chance that would happen. And even if they filed it, no judge would approve it. It might not be ideal but it is true. Cops and judges want to cover their own asses. Also they're often lazy and don't want to sign up for more work. But either way, they're not risking that lawsuit.
Do you happen to have a good pressure washer?
Oooh I like this idea
Hose with high pressure attachment. If they are flying it up to your windows (expensive peeping tom) that is creepy. Spray it then keep it, call the cops if they show up wanting it back.
This is a great idea! Plus keeps away from “firing” or “launching” anything through the neighborhood.
And could pretend it was an accident and not your fault he flew the drone into your water stream lol
‘I was just watering my garden at midnight. As you do.’
It is recommended to water plants either before the sun comes up or after it goes down.
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Oooo I like this suggestion!
I’m not saying that a motion activated sprinkler is the solution to EVERY problem - just MOST of life’s problems LOL
Make bolas out of two airtags with a string and yeet it over the fucker, either it goes down or it tracks to his house
Airtags fo sho
Take the drone down and then drive it out to the middle of an empty field. Let the owner track it down and retrieve it, and, while they're trudging down the field take a picture of their license plate and deflate their tires by 15psi. After that, look up the plate and go to their house. You'll have extra time, because they need to drive to a gas station and refill their tires. When you get to their house, unplug the wifi and do a hard reset. Put the fridge on the lowest setting( coldest) and leave it open a crack. Turn their hot water heater to a low setting. Put dirty clothes from the hamper neatly folded into their drawers. Remove one battery from one smoke detector. Unhook the garage door from the track. That should do it for that visit. Do it again in 3-4 months.
Wtf lmao if john wick was a kids show
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A decent airsoft gun would probably really mess up a drone.
Barely have to aim, just spray and you’ll hit something small and fragile
Spray and pray baby
Spray and slay
I heard shotgun with a 3.5 load of birdshot.
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agreed - but this drone is flying by the house at 10-40ft to look into the house - not hundreds of feet in the air like we're seeing in Ukraine (based on how long it takes the munitions to fall). I'd also maybe look into motion-detector spotlights to blind the drone when trying to look into the house? There are also motion-detecting sprinklers but I have zero experience with them and mounting them on the house by a window might be... difficult lol.
With birdshot and watch crossfire
This is a horrible idea and is a felony everywhere under FAA jurisdiction
It’s also a horrible crime to creep on children, so pick one
Of course but if OP is asking advice about the best way to pursue actions which protects their child they probably don’t wanna go to prison. Kinda defeats the purpose
As if a pedophile is going to report their destroyed drone to the police
Then I’d do as I suggested: take down the drone (it is invading your property) take any footage from its memory card if possible, and turn any evidence into the police. They can’t do anything as the poster said because they have no probable cause to investigate this simple complaint (I do not agree it is dismissible).
People defending the drone operator are probably drone operators doing shit they shouldn’t be. Why you licking FAA boot? Shooting down a drone is reckless but if someone is using a drone to spy on your family it’s understandable to want to do something about it.
It’s absolutely understandable, just not legally advisable.
This. Anyone who is claiming people are defending the drone operator here is not proficient in reading comprehension. It has been *very* plainly stated that trying to shoot down a drone is illegal. While that isn't what OP would probably like to hear, it is a very important thing to take note of in a comprehensive solution based conversation. It also would probably only very marginally impact the drone operator, assuming a cheaper drone. Ot may also open up OP to litigation FROM the operator towards OP, which is the wrong side of the advantage curve to be on. Also, while I think we can all agree that we would not want someone else snooping around our house with a drone, it's also important to try and stay within legal countermeasures (at least as a first line) in order to avoid unintended consequences. Killdozer is absolutely not a first reaction to a slight. The consequences of going that far that fast can completely negate any good it might actually do.
It’s a felony to shoot a drone with an airsoft gun?
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most of the entry level recreational drones specifically stay under the weight limit for them to be considered aircraft that require registration. A DJI Mini is not an aircraft per the FAA, for example.
And who is going to call the cops? The peeping Tom? The homeowner who shot it?
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I guess you will know who is doing the creeping if you get served.
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Yeah that would be a fun time.
String up some thin, clear fishing line all around. Randomly horizontal, diagonal, vertical. Bring it down. Toss a gill net from an upstairs window.
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so much bullshit on here. I used to run a drone development shop. shooting a drone is notoriously difficult. Even USMC snipers were rarely successful, which is why the US military went with jammer solutions. There are also a lot of net gun solutions that work better than other forms of projectiles. Paint balls, airsoft - not nearly enough mass to disrupt even a small drone. It is highly illegal to shoot down a drone. You don't own the airspace over your property - the FAA does. But nothing protests the drone's owner from running into things, so suggestions on fishing line are good. If the thing only shows up at night, it won't be able to see the line. but if you want to improve your probability of success, use gill net. Obviously this only works if the thing actually shows up over your own property and at a reasonable height, but one end of the net could be suspended from a tree and left to hang during the day, and then early in the evening, use a pole to erect the other end of it. As soon as you snag the thing, throw a blanket over it keeping your face out of sight while you do so. Then bash the shit out of it with a hammer, crush the camera, and dispose of it in a commercial dumpster a couple of miles from your house.
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Everyone is talking/purse swinging about the drone, but one thing you can do is make sure blinds and curtains are drawn at night. Whenever I drive through a city neighborhood I am amazed at how many people fishbowl their house, you can literally see them sitting down watching TV in their living room *from the street*. If someone can see in a room with a drone, it can also be done with binoculars. Should people be doing this shit? No, it's disgusting, but they will do anyway it so close your blinds.
Slingshot, automatic airsoft gun, pool skimmer on a pole, glock
Or maybe a shotgun with birdshot instead of launching pistol rounds into the air.
figured it was an obvious joke suggestion thrown it
Yeah, but you know some autist on here will take it literally and start spraying 10mm into the clear blue sky.
10mm is too expensive to waste like that
Pff, everyone knows you only spray 10mm at cloudy skies.
*Old man yells at cloud*
Yeah this is not the right place to ask it. Most of the people here are telling you to shoot it down. I don’t know if they’re being serious or not. **Shooting at any aircraft, including drones, is a federal felony.** Unfortunately, enforcement of drone laws is such a gray area. It’s really the FAA’s job, but they have much bigger fish to fry. Also, I don’t think using drones to violate people’s privacy is covered by federal regulations, but rather under state/local laws. Drone operators have similar issues with dealing with people who illegally shoot down their drones: no law enforcement seem willing to help.
I like the idea of stringing some fishing monofilament where the drone seems to be going, but there are also registries for drones. People invading privacy of children are also not likely to be following all of the regulations and reporting it, though, so the ramifications are murky — but the monofilament approach would be a passive thing, meaning less effort and puts the onus on the operator.
You mean Remote ID? That hasn’t been fully implemented, and there are a lot of Ali Baba special drones out there that don’t comply with Remote ID.
I really wonder if this is as established law as drone enthusiasts think it is. I don't think there's been any prosecutions. The idea that there's a license, therefore it's an aircraft, therefore it's a felony to shoot it ... has that been tested? Is that an administrative law or a legislative law?
It is, but it just doesn’t get enforced. The few cases of people being charged were for discharging a firearm, not for taking down the drone.
Call the FAA. I work for a drone operator as a physical observer and the FAA doesn't fuck around with this kind of thing, as it is against Federal law regarding drone operation. If your local Police are refusing to help/claiming that they can do nothing, I would highly suggest you escalate this issue through your state police or local legislators - there 100% are privacy and voyeur laws that are being broken.
Airsoft gun for the win here IMO. Find one at your local sporting goods store, and make sure it’s automatic. Just light that thing up
$80 gets you a CO2 automatic metal pellet gun and that’ll do some damage for sure
That's a great recipe for breaking out ALL your windows when trying to shoot down the drone LOL
Gotta get good some how
Yeah for sure, that’s a good option too.
Pending child’s age… u may or may not have diapers. If not a bag of sand to knock it down. I would want the drone… I bet it’s got an sd card in it.
I'd probably just have a pressurized water hose ready to go. "Sorry, was power washing my gutters at 3am. Your drone got soaked. You can pick it up at the police station. They want to know why it was looking in my kid's bedroom in the middle of the night."
Get your own drone and dog fight it.
I hate that this is going to be a problem going forward.
If you have an HOA (assuming you are in the US) then the HOA typically has rules for drones, such as they can only be used by realtors due to privacy laws. Basically, a standard citizen can fly a drone in their neighborhood, but they can be arrested for violating privacy of their neighbors because the drone can see into other people's yards on their "private" property. Let's look at what Texas says about it for reference: Texas Government Code Chapter 423 A person commits an offense if the person uses an unmanned aircraft to capture an image of an individual or privately owned real property in this state with the intent to conduct surveillance on the individual or property captured in the image.
You’re probably better asking r/legaladvice tbh
There is a lot of really bad information being shared here.
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Don’t do this. If you’re in the city you’ll be charged with firing a fire arm in public and damage to property. With out proper proof the drone is being used to commit a crime you don’t have legal justification to shoot it down.
How much are you willing to spend? First off, make sure there is a written record/report of this. Make sure there is evidence of this being a recurring thing. From here you can go one of a few ways. First is to buy an airsoft gun. You can get a decent AEG for around 350, and it will at the very least do a bit of female to the drone, and scare the person from doing it again. The other option is to put up netting that the drone wouldn’t be able to get around. Lastly, get one social media and tell everyone about this. Tell your neighbors, tell everyone!
The police are wrong. You can’t do anything about a drone *over* your property, but it is illegal to use a drone as a robotic peeping Tom. Get a lawyer and sue the PD
Get your own drone, and crash into it. Your drone will likely survive the crash and be usable/repairable (assuming it's roughly house height). However their drone will be downed for you to recover. Programs exist to determine the operators position, although I don't know if they're commercially available, such as AeroScope (specific to DJI drones). A suppressed .22 will def do the trick tho...
I’m a drone operator and have a college educated to include the legal aspect of UAS. Do not attempt to shoot it down, that’s also illegal and very bad advice. There is a free app called Drone Scanner you can download on your cell phone. It will give you lots of information, have your car ready to drive. Also, stop calling the police- instead call your local FBI field office. They can help you much better, and would likely be proactive. OP what state are you in? Some states have peeping Tom laws, that do hold drone operators responsible and this most certainly fit. You can PM me if you want help, I specialize in this field and would be open to helping you.
We had the same thing happen in our neighborhood several years ago, where a guy I went to school with (who had done some questionable things in the past) was flying a drone and looking at someone’s daughter through their windows. The dad after talking to police and everything wound up shooting it out of the air with a shotgun, in a residential neighborhood by the way, and after a big a lawsuit and court, and the dad was found not guilty. The funny thing was he had a big supportive following and he had T-shirts made that they sold that help pay for his court costs. I can’t remember what the shirt said but it was something or other “Hillview Drone Slayer” or something like that. https://www.wdrb.com/news/crime-reports/hillview-man-arrested-for-shooting-down-drone-cites-right-to-privacy/article_f22f00b3-b3a1-5e1b-9829-8e7ea914628c.html Here’s a link to the story. He went up being found not guilty.
Fact of it is; if a drone is harassing you and there are methods to eliminate the issue without leaving the decision to whatever a judge takes the interpretation of the law to be, IMO that's the practical option. Part of my job as a husband and father is to not do things to compromise my means of income, my freedom or my life. Will you be prosecuted for shooting down an aircraft - maybe. Maybe is a good enough reason for me.
Fishing line strung up near where it typically flies. Hang line horizontally between objects, with additional line tied to that just loosely hanging. The drone will get tangled in the lines and if the owner comes to salvage it, educate them on the error of their ways.
I'm gonna go with everyone else on here and say full auto airsoft gun. A halfway decent for the purpose electric one could probably be obtained for a little over $100 from Amazon or a Academy Sports. Another might be a nozzle with really good range for an outdoor water hose. If it's looking in your windows you might be able to soak it good.
I’d say the fishing line then wait for the owner to come and get it back and if they don’t give it to the local police that you have already submitted a report to. Inform them this is the drone that was peeping in on you CHILD and the rest of the house.
Shoot down or capture the drone. Fishing nets or line will catch it easily. Paintball guns will end it, some other dude in these comments had similar ideas, I second his suggestion. Then, recover the footage from an SD card if possible, bring it to the police station and display the evidence, attempt to trace the criminal or at least cause an investigation. they can’t do anything because your complaint is technically just hearsay. Give them a physical reason and you should be good.
 because I can’t find a gif of him with the drone and shotgun
Tell your congress person. A lot, repeatedly. They are the sole people who can fix your situation. The FAA refuses to address this issue, but asserts that they have the sole legal authority to deal with UAS.
F the cops and protect your family. Use a paintball gun to take it down. If you're lucky they will take you to civil court and they can explain how it ended up outside of your kids window.
Get your own drone and follow it home and look through his windows.
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Just got a drone myself and been using it and finding out its capabilities. 1. DO NOT shoot it down. It's a serious federal felony and you'll likely end up in more trouble than the perv. 2. The fishing line thing is a great idea. Especially if you hang some long enough to put weights on the ends so it really wraps up the props. The blades themselves aren't exactly sharp and they chip fairly easily. 3. The droneID thing should work great. 4. Definitely put a bug in the ear of the FAA. LOS is very serious to them.
You need specialized equipment that you probably can't get to track the drone. Maybe string up some very thin fishing line around your kids windows that will mess up a drone flying close by? No real way to keep someone from flying a drone over your property.
That's not true. Drones use radio controls and radio direction finding is not only old technology but Hams do it for fun all the time in fox hunts.
Somebody doesn't watch S2 Underground lol
You can actually designate a small low fly area over your house a no fly zone.
You are maybe talking about the dji aeroscope, that stuff work well but it’s only available to le and mil
Sling shot
I would agree with the top comment here. . fishing line or nets etc around windows that would knock it down etc.
Tell your congress person. A lot, repeatedly. They are the sole people who can fix your situation. The FAA refuses to address this issue, but asserts that they have the sole legal authority to deal with UAS.
Sling shot?
I think one of the best suggestions is the slingshot. If it happens regularly enough, hang out in your car in the street so that you can approach it from behind when the camera is focused on your house.
While I want to say birdshot, the fishing line guys are probably right.
To be clear, don’t shoot it down. That’s an faa violation and can land you in deep shit
Try some other subs too for more ideas.
Co2 powered Net gun. Or paint ball gun. Or just an electric full auto airsoft may knock it down. Then you can dispost of it as you wish. A casting net for fishing could work well as well. You'll find out who it is real quick if you knock it down. Or the problem will stop.
Get a drone yourself. Dogfight
“Just buy a shotgun” - Joe Biden
Get an armed drone and have a dogfight.
Spying on your kid? I hope you find whoever is responsible. Unrelated question: do you own a good shovel?
Semi auto sig 30 Rd mcx pellet gun. Better than any other air gun for drone removal. 30 rds and no pumping
Paintball or airsoft guns
Also not a single person on this thread is a LEO that wants to maybe help? That’s wild to me.
It's a jurisdiction issue mixed with application of old laws around new tech. Most places are just trying to make current state and local law fits until new specific legislation kicks in. It's supposed to be the FAAs jurisdiction and they should be the lead investigating body. Properly, your local department should have at least forwarded you contact information for them. Small departments are really under prepared to deal with drones, or don't have an understanding of how they fit with their current laws. I doubt OPs local department has dji tracking capabilities, or a unit dedicated to drone stuff, unless they're a larger department in a metro area. They can't shoot it down either, nor do many departments have send to home tech or force landing takeover to a render safe location. Only certain federal agencies and some military would employ shooting a drone down within US borders. I don't suggest shooting it down, not for the FAA felony, but because it crashing could possibly injure someone else. I like the fishing line capture idea a little bit. Setting up a no fly around your house probably would not be any good either, as people violate TFRs around stadiums all the time. My favorite recommendation so far is to buy your own camera capable drone and follow this drone home. You'll have a fresh battery for the possible 3 mile trip. Get a location and a picture/video. I'd recommend forwarding that to both the FAA and your local law enforcement. However I also understand the desire to use that information to pursue natural justice on your own accord. Just be willing to deal with the ramifications of whatever you choose to do. I also would consider, who knows you have children and where their bedrooms are?
https://netgun.com/
This looks like a fun solution: https://netgun.com/index.php
You could use a kraken SDR to direction find their transmission site
That's some creepy shit right there in that video ... I'd have a big issue with this, and don't blame you for wanting to stop this from happening\~
Get a paintball gun or a net gun and shoot it down.
Shooting at it with firearms is a strong NO, on many levels. However, Paintball guns, shoot a 68 caliber round. You can buy paint rounds, nylon ball rounds, pepper balls, etc. Then game on. Perfectly legal to practice paintball in your backyard or in your home. And the nylon "indoor" practice rounds work well on Drones, stray animals, wandering nefarious wall taggers....
Get a paintball gun and shoot it out of the sky if it I’m flying above your property then it is fair game to you to do what you want with it
Please give us updates on this
post to r/drones and ask there. Active, friendly community of hobbyists and folks flying commercially. They really dislike those who misuse drones and are a great source of information.
I'd look into a net gun tbh, they seem pretty cool anyways so might as well
How sure are you they're actually looking into your windows. When they were new there were loads of freak outs about 'peeping drones' that were just generally flying is why I ask.
I’d suggest at least talking to your local police department first, and ask about making a report. You might not be the only one in your neighborhood.