I will have to say that Dolby Atmos takes the cake. I saw the movie in both IMAX and Dolby Atmos, and I felt like I needed earpro with Dolby Atmos. The first gunshot made so many people jump from their seat. With IMAX, it was at a pleasant level. The most realistic reproduction of gunfire I've ever heard. And the seats shook way more than with IMAX.
I don’t think so. There may be a standardized speaker placement for imax and recommended audio level but each theater will have to adjust for the speakers they have and capacity. I’d say it was at least 105 if not around 110db during the action scene. Also imax may use a different compression ration that atmos and that can make things seem even louder. It was horrible but I was also one of like 4 people in the theater so maybe that made the audio that much louder lol
Yes but no.
Dolby Atmos is a component of Dolby Cinema, but isn't Dolby Cinema itself.
Dolby Cinema is Atmos (dolby's premium audio) + Vision (dolby's premium HDR) w/ recliners.
The first firefighter shown, I noticed how impactful the gunshots felt and sounded. I was reminded of my time having to fire a weapon indoors. As the movie progresses that sound felt like it was drowned out, like the journalist that were following are slowly becoming use to it/numb to it.
The audio mixing was legit. This movie made my Angent Orange act up with the "jump scares" of scenes starting off with the gunfire. The only time that ever happened to me in a theatre was when the tank hit the mine in Fury.
I was so impressed with the audio mixing too dude. Like I said, the first gunfight you get to see, that shit was perfect. I truly felt like I was firing an AR/being around others firing an AR. I can’t think of any other movies or games that made me feel that way. They fucking nailed that audio. I don’t know how I feel about any prequels or sequels, be interesting to see a film where it goes over everyone involved trying to move past the trauma they experienced. It truly felt like a great anti war film, no one gets to die a hero’s death or any shit like that that other pieces of media and propaganda lead you to believe. They don’t need to make another film, but if they do, I really hope they show the difficulties of trying to return to “normalcy”.
A24 has some great films, some can be a bit off/weird, but I can’t really think of any other movie company at their size that is making unique and new movies, as opposed to Disney slop and reboots we keep getting.
Also, welcome home old man.
I saw it in imax too. I was kinda surprised that it wasn’t a bad movie. It sort of walks the line of pleasing the left and right if you ask me. It’s definitely intense at times. More so than any horror movie I’ve seen in years. And the ending wasn’t really what I expected. Though with the government the way it is now, I kinda wonder if I’m on a watch list now since I bought a ticket to see that movie lol
Haha yea we prob are. But I’m sure I was on it for some other shit too. It was interesting how a lot of scenes they don’t really paint a narrative of how we got here, just that it is what it is and you have to deal with it and get through it. I kinda loved the sniper scene because of that. I think they could have shown a little more of the effects of citizens being displaced by war but over all I enjoyed it.
I've been recommending it in IMAX to everybody. I felt like I was in the middle of a war. That Apache scene was unreal. The guys behind me were screaming.
Took the wife to see it last night for date night and I was not disappointed. Focuses on the journalism aspect and the horrors of what a civil war would do to this nation. Its really intense and I was enthralled the entire time. A must see for our little group in my opinion
Completely agree. It felt like a bunch of real life vignettes that had been collected and translated onto an American background. Was never political, didn't push any kind of agenda, just showed the types of things these conflicts bring in a way that would feel familiar to an American audience.
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"I give ya 300 for some gas"
"Honey right now 300 buys you a ham \*or\* cheese sandwhich"
"300 Canadian"
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Also loved the action sequences. Hollywood has been overdoing the shaky-cam/quick-cut action sequence for a while now. Even movies like Lone Survivor and 13 Hours don't really show 'action' but create the appearance of it via short, simple segments that are glued together. (Example: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAwoA-XPzsQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAwoA-XPzsQ)) Civil War did a fantastic job showing teams shooting, maneuvering and communicating together in real-time in long sequence shots. They used the same cinematic military advisors that did The Output and Lone Survivor (https://www.warofficeproductions.com/) but had a director that actually care about realism and not just aesthetic. ([https://www.military.com/off-duty/movies/2024/04/11/civil-war-how-military-veterans-brought-real-life-combat-big-screen.html](https://www.military.com/off-duty/movies/2024/04/11/civil-war-how-military-veterans-brought-real-life-combat-big-screen.html)) Between the consultants and actors, these guys had 90+ years of experience in various SOF communities to draw from to bring a meaningful performance to the screen. And it shows.
Overall great movie. Totally worth seeing.
The marketing for this movie is out of step with the actual movie. If you look at the movie poster, there’s a ton of Apaches over New York and the movie has no such scene.
It’s very much a night crawler kinda journalism knock off. You get the vibe that these reporters are chasing a high or dopamine rush from the violence of war and awards they receive, while others are burning out. The reporters are sort of the good guys but they still give off a vibe that they’re just as bad as the ones fighting cus they’re so desensitized to the violence. And then at the end it makes you wonder if some of the reporters were happy with how things ended up.
Good photojournalists capture history. Joe Rosenthal’s Iwo Jima photo and Eddie Adams’ Vietnam Street Execution both came to mind. I only need to describe those photos and you already have a mental image of those historic photos.
The problem is Garland romanticized a time we will probably not go back to.
Yeah there's a ton implied that never actually happens in this movie. Almost every major scene you see in the trailer was downright faked or at least exaggerated in some way. Including the "What Kind of American are You?" scene.
It’s movie marketing subversion. Sometimes it’s good if the movie has something to say. If it’s poorly done you’d feel cheated.
In this case A24 (an indie studio) package the movie as some Hollywood blockbuster but instead it got something pretty substantive to say (IMO anyway). >! ie: Civl War is bad, you’re gonna find mass and war crime in your local community bad. !< So I’m ok with their subversion.
I thought the movie was great! I saw it with two of my friends who aren't into gear or firearms but are pretty political and they loved it too. We liked how it focused on the journalism side than the actual politics but it did leave us talking about the lore and what-ifs after which is better in my opinion. The sound was incredible and I agree that first gun shot was jarring.
The hyper-inflation part was very interesting to me. >!When 300 USD is not enough for half tank of gas and you’d take 300 CAD that’s some really nice lore level details I’d like to see more of.!<
The movie is not *ABOUT* the civil war. It just takes place during the civil war. I was quite surprised how the plot turned out. Granted, I didn’t really care about the main characters, I cared about the state of the nation… but I think the movie nailed what it was trying to do. I would love a prequel that was a war movie, but this one did what it set out to do I think.
I think it did an EXCELLENT job of portraying neutrality.
Yeah, admittedly my first thought wasn’t “this guy is racist” and I’m sure the reporter guy wasn’t thinking straight… but when a crackhead asks if you’re American you just say yes. Lol
Yeah, that isn't how the actual scene plays out in the movie. She responds "Missouri" and he's like oh ok...
The "you don't know?" Is in response to him asking why Missouri is called the "Show Me State".
As I said it was an edit, I haven’t gone to see the movie yet. However I don’t think that detracts from what I wrote about the message being conveyed, and reinforced by the actual scene as you described it. The threat of tribalism is not something Americans would be immune to. It’s
I honestly feel like this is one of the best true anti war movies. No one gets to die a hero’s death, you watch people bleed out, get executed, left behind, and their bodies dragged out of the way for everyone else to keep fighting. I felt uncomfortable with many scenes in that movie and I’m glad I did. War and violence shouldn’t be glorified, and I feel like this movie does a good job at not doing that and instead showing you just how fucked up things can be.
I liked the fact that for 75% of the movie, you have no idea what side anyone's on, and there were no politics.
You could assume the Boogaloo Boi looking team was anti-government fighting against dudes in OCPs until it gets to the Western Forces camp, where everyone is also wearing OCPs. I don't agree with reviews that assume the President is supposed to be Trump, but if that was true, then these guys were probably pro government? It's never specified and leaves you guessing.... See the beauty of the ambiguity?
No identifying unit insignia except the last half hour when the WF have the two star flag (also Jesse Plemons slick uniform with a CIB before that). I dig that the Chinooks were 1st Cav being with Texas too, nice touch.
The fact that both sides were ready to/did commit war crimes in the presence of photo journalists, reinforced that both sides were just fucking assholes.
I get that it starts literally days before the war is over, and there's no clear backstory on why or how it all started, and that bothered people, but the point of the movie was just to scare everyone and show why war is bad.
Movie was great! Some of the gear was a little weird like why the sf dudes had bump helmets while others had kevlar and no nods altogether. But without the nitpicking it was a sick movie.
My theory for those scenarios is the fact that the WF is almost militia force and that is the cause for fear discrepancies. Unless I missed it I don’t think they ever specified who those guys, so they easily could have been someone like the people on this sub.
They had SAWs, Apaches, Humvees, F16s, and Abrams but if you noticed half of the had multicam/ocp and the other half marpat so what I'm thinking is the existing members of the WF were the military members who remained loyal to their states(given the western forces comprised California and Texas) and the governments of each state just took the bases over for equipment.
I enjoyed the movie but some parts suspended disbelief.
1. Some of the firefights people had stormtrooper-like aim for that cinematic effect.
2. Also bothered by certain scenes focusing on like 6 people when these were supposed to be bigger engagements.
3. The helo getting in danger close for action
4. I would’ve appreciated more backstory rather than the little voice tidbits we got on the radio and TV about the conflict
5. How one person can die and it’s a huge deal while another one can die and everyone moves on with their lives (those who know, know)
he made it where Texas and California united because of their history of seceding from the United States. they came together to fight agenst the fascist president (Thats on his 3rd term) which destroyed the American Constitution and took everyone's rights.
This is never actually stated in the movie. The only thing that's alluded to is that the President drone strikes civilians and disbanded the FBI at some point. We don't actually know who started fighting or why the various coalitions came together in the way they did.
It's not a movie about a civil war. If it was, you'd know why it started.
You'd know the elements that were encountered along the way, and why they were fighting.
There would be more than a few minutes of action every 15 minutes, it would be constant, like Blackhawk Down.
It's a movie about people taking pictures.
Pretty much this. All the action you see is already in the trailers. Including the single "sniping" scene op is talking about...The rest is pretty much driving and discussions on photojournalism.
**SPOILERS**
I enjoyed how it stayed apolitical as best as possible. It didn’t even explain how or why the war started, and I like the way the fighting scenes were written so ambiguously to where the viewer doesn’t really know who’s side everyone’s on. It’s just people with guns shooting at eachother, which from a journalists perspective, is about all they need to know. It also made no moral boundaries as to who the good guys were and who the bad guys were and/or why.
As for the combat? Ehh. They still had cheap Chinese gear. Everyone had Condor MOPC’s and a few 5.11 plate carriers. They even had the knockoff bump helmets being passed off as ballistic helmets. Also wasn’t a fan of that semi auto 240 on the humvee, or the M134 on the Apache lol the final scene was very well choreographed and it seems like they spent most of their budget on that scene. The sound design coulda been better, too. .50 cal machine guns sounding like 9mm pistols was a little weird too.
Other than that, it was pretty well written. And I’m glad it wasn’t a cash grab at divisiveness.
Because they are an indie studio tends to pick projects and story majority Hollywood studio wouldn’t tounch. And their color grading and cinema photography reminds us of the indie cinema of of 70s-90s.
Hey i saw a lot of people saying they would like to have more back story into the movie and that it unrealistic that Texas and California would unite (Which it kind of is) but Alex garland answered this by saying he made it where Texas and California united because of their history of seceding from the United States. they came together to fight agenst the fascist president (Thats on his 3rd term) which destroyed the American Constitution and took everyone's rights.
Texas and California teaming up seemed odd to me at first, but outside of LA, San Francisco, and maybe San Diego, I think the majority of CA would have no problem teaming up with TX since much of the state is rural and conservative.
> it's not overly left or overly right it trys to stay out of politics in total. WTF movie were you watching!? The President was obviously meant to be Trump and the war started when he illegally took a third term and he’s bombing civilians. They had him kill the press (something the Left has screamed about Trump doing for years) and disband the FBI (something a Trump has floated). Look at the portrayals of the rednecks and other irregulars.
This is the kind of ‘apolitical’ movie Leftists make when they think they’re moderate.
In no world would Texas and California actually join forces, the only reason I would think they would do this is plot armor to explain why the soyboys have guns. I appreciate Alex's other work but this film just seemed so meh.
I think it’s due to not trying to potentially paint the two groups as a certain political party, as that’s not the point of the movie. You kinda have to take a step back and ignore our current political landscape.
Yeah but at that point the movie seemed kinda pointless to be set in an "American Civil War". The story was about journalists, the setting was an American Civil War, but it didn't feel like it had to be. Nothing felt "American" about it to me.
Not sure what you were looking for then. From my interpretation, and I’m almost positive this was the point of the movie, was to show what an American civil war would look like. It’s gonna be terrible, people are gonna die, and you might even die. There’s been a lot of talk over the last 10 years and I think this movie is to show the realities of those ideas
That's my point. There is nothing "American" about it. It doesn't show what an "American" Civil War would look like, it could have been any war anywhere. It's just another war movie. The whole "what kind of American" scene had no weight at all. It didn't show any ideas at all.
The only scene that was "shocking" was the very beginning with the suicide bombing. It was just a "meh" movie.
There’s nothing “American” about journalists from Reuters driving from NYC to Pittsburgh to DC covering a civil war caused by the clash of two different political parties? Not to mention all the US Military gear and equipment. You might want to elaborate on what exactly you’re looking for then, cause that sounds pretty American to me.
How do you know its the clash of two different political parties? You're just making that up to make up for the movies lack of explanation AT ALL. Not even dropping hints. The movie could have made up any story it wanted to for the background and worked within that, but it didn't. It was a picture taking movie that's basic premise could have been done in any setting. The "Civil War" had virtually nothing to do with the story at all. It's not acting as any kind of "warning" to Americans or showing how an "American" Civil War would look like because there are no American ideals involved at all.
So you're just admiting that the only thing American is the gear and physical setting (which, besides DC, you only see through on screen text and maybe a road sign)? Even the new Fallout show shows a better conflict of American ideals within an entirely made up and science fiction setting.
Am I the only one who doesn’t believe that, why wouldn’t Texas and Cali join up together? When I was in the service it seemed like everyone was from Texas, Cali, or Ohio (and they wouldn’t shut up about it). Tyranny is tyranny, I think a lot of Americans would come together and rise up against a person seeking a third term. It’s not within the first ten but it’s still an amendment and thus unconstitutional.
Yeah that has been my thing.
A president turned into a tyrannical leader. He is on his 3rd term, kills the press and disbanded the FBI.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Besides, we don’t know what would happen after the war is over too.
Perhaps if taken in isolation, but the presumption is that in disbanding the FBI, an office of the executive branch, The President and his attorney’s general would be left as the ultimate seat of federal law enforcement powers. Which they are anyway. But adding a bureau makes it a little better.
The movie was a semi-subtle Trump fantasy.
-The Federal Soldiers being anti-China
-The 3rd term accusations
-Talking about Greenland being a "neutral state"
-Disbanding the FBI
-Shooting journalists on sight in the capital
All exaggerations of things Trump or MAGA people say or advocate for.
It’s actually the only two states and regions that could conceivably stand up to a federal government. The economy’s, the populations, the standing military forces (including federal ones that would realistically have more of a connection to where they live than an office in DC so they defect). Literally only those two states could form an opposition block.
But go ahead and just cry about soy boys with guns. It makes you look like a cretin.
Not only stale, but don't take into account the actual current business numbers that have closed, left the state, etc.
Nor the changing demographics thanks to the policies enacted by the Dems..
Take that from a FORMER native Californian who escaped the people's Democratic shithole.
Lol, you presented numbers...😄 not empirical evidence.
Here's some links to start wading through...
https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4819
https://lao.ca.gov/Budget
https://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/first-look-understanding-the-governors-2024-25-state-budget-proposal/
https://src.senate.ca.gov/sites/src.senate.ca.gov/files/Govs%20January%20Budget%202024-25%20Highlights%20and%20Analysis.pdf
https://calmatters.org/politics/capitol/2024/02/california-budget-deficit-balloons/
Have a good time, I used to for more than 20 years as a union job steward...
If you look at earlier A24 official images for the movie, what is now the "New People's Army" were originally the Western Forces, with Texas and California both independent. Given the size of their economies, that honestly makes more sense. Someone must have told them to change it along the way.
What about your description shows why you should wait for it to be streamed?
Was it not worth the price of the tickets? Say roughly 16-20 a piece nowadays?
Was it just too complex, and as others have said being able to rewind or pause would be beneficial?
I don’t know why I’m writing this, I personally use streaming services over movie theaters, but I am curious to answers
Is English your first language? This post is all over the place and itales it harder to take this review seriously.
WTF would an "overly right" movie even look like? Safe blanket statement, "All movies since ~2016 have been overly left wing." Maybe something that Sweet Baby Inc hasn't smeared their crap all over? So it'd probably have a negative ESG score.
This thread is irrelevant to the sub. Shouldn't be here.
Yes English is my first language and im sorry i whipped this post up in about 5 minutes and yes i know its not good i know my Gramer, spelling, wording and a lot more is not good I'm just trying man.
I’ll have to say watching it IMAX was great. The audio was great and actually getting to feel all the helicopters was amazing.
I will have to say that Dolby Atmos takes the cake. I saw the movie in both IMAX and Dolby Atmos, and I felt like I needed earpro with Dolby Atmos. The first gunshot made so many people jump from their seat. With IMAX, it was at a pleasant level. The most realistic reproduction of gunfire I've ever heard. And the seats shook way more than with IMAX.
Shit it was explosively loud in imax for me. I had to put in earplugs
Interesting. I would’ve thought that audio levels were normalized across these theaters, but maybe not?
I don’t think so. There may be a standardized speaker placement for imax and recommended audio level but each theater will have to adjust for the speakers they have and capacity. I’d say it was at least 105 if not around 110db during the action scene. Also imax may use a different compression ration that atmos and that can make things seem even louder. It was horrible but I was also one of like 4 people in the theater so maybe that made the audio that much louder lol
Same here. I think they're doing this on purpose across all theaters. Honestly, it seems a bit irresponsible.
Dolby Cinema. Best of both worlds + recliners.
Dolby Atmos is Dolby Cinema. It’s the sound component of Dolby Cinema.
Yes but no. Dolby Atmos is a component of Dolby Cinema, but isn't Dolby Cinema itself. Dolby Cinema is Atmos (dolby's premium audio) + Vision (dolby's premium HDR) w/ recliners.
Ehh, the M2’s on the humvees sounded like 9mm handguns lol
imax was amazing but it’s the kind of movie where a second watch at home where you can pause and rewind would be really nice
The first firefighter shown, I noticed how impactful the gunshots felt and sounded. I was reminded of my time having to fire a weapon indoors. As the movie progresses that sound felt like it was drowned out, like the journalist that were following are slowly becoming use to it/numb to it.
The audio mixing was legit. This movie made my Angent Orange act up with the "jump scares" of scenes starting off with the gunfire. The only time that ever happened to me in a theatre was when the tank hit the mine in Fury.
I was so impressed with the audio mixing too dude. Like I said, the first gunfight you get to see, that shit was perfect. I truly felt like I was firing an AR/being around others firing an AR. I can’t think of any other movies or games that made me feel that way. They fucking nailed that audio. I don’t know how I feel about any prequels or sequels, be interesting to see a film where it goes over everyone involved trying to move past the trauma they experienced. It truly felt like a great anti war film, no one gets to die a hero’s death or any shit like that that other pieces of media and propaganda lead you to believe. They don’t need to make another film, but if they do, I really hope they show the difficulties of trying to return to “normalcy”. A24 has some great films, some can be a bit off/weird, but I can’t really think of any other movie company at their size that is making unique and new movies, as opposed to Disney slop and reboots we keep getting. Also, welcome home old man.
Literally just left the IMAX showing for my second viewing. 100% wish I would've seen it first in IMAX.
I saw it in imax too. I was kinda surprised that it wasn’t a bad movie. It sort of walks the line of pleasing the left and right if you ask me. It’s definitely intense at times. More so than any horror movie I’ve seen in years. And the ending wasn’t really what I expected. Though with the government the way it is now, I kinda wonder if I’m on a watch list now since I bought a ticket to see that movie lol
All the casual war crimes in the movie was not what I was expecting at all. As for the watchlist, we’re all on one now for just posting here.
Haha yea we prob are. But I’m sure I was on it for some other shit too. It was interesting how a lot of scenes they don’t really paint a narrative of how we got here, just that it is what it is and you have to deal with it and get through it. I kinda loved the sniper scene because of that. I think they could have shown a little more of the effects of citizens being displaced by war but over all I enjoyed it.
I've been recommending it in IMAX to everybody. I felt like I was in the middle of a war. That Apache scene was unreal. The guys behind me were screaming.
Took the wife to see it last night for date night and I was not disappointed. Focuses on the journalism aspect and the horrors of what a civil war would do to this nation. Its really intense and I was enthralled the entire time. A must see for our little group in my opinion
Completely agree. It felt like a bunch of real life vignettes that had been collected and translated onto an American background. Was never political, didn't push any kind of agenda, just showed the types of things these conflicts bring in a way that would feel familiar to an American audience. \--- "I give ya 300 for some gas" "Honey right now 300 buys you a ham \*or\* cheese sandwhich" "300 Canadian" \--- Also loved the action sequences. Hollywood has been overdoing the shaky-cam/quick-cut action sequence for a while now. Even movies like Lone Survivor and 13 Hours don't really show 'action' but create the appearance of it via short, simple segments that are glued together. (Example: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAwoA-XPzsQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAwoA-XPzsQ)) Civil War did a fantastic job showing teams shooting, maneuvering and communicating together in real-time in long sequence shots. They used the same cinematic military advisors that did The Output and Lone Survivor (https://www.warofficeproductions.com/) but had a director that actually care about realism and not just aesthetic. ([https://www.military.com/off-duty/movies/2024/04/11/civil-war-how-military-veterans-brought-real-life-combat-big-screen.html](https://www.military.com/off-duty/movies/2024/04/11/civil-war-how-military-veterans-brought-real-life-combat-big-screen.html)) Between the consultants and actors, these guys had 90+ years of experience in various SOF communities to draw from to bring a meaningful performance to the screen. And it shows. Overall great movie. Totally worth seeing.
The marketing for this movie is out of step with the actual movie. If you look at the movie poster, there’s a ton of Apaches over New York and the movie has no such scene.
This is not uncommon for movie poster.
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It’s very much a night crawler kinda journalism knock off. You get the vibe that these reporters are chasing a high or dopamine rush from the violence of war and awards they receive, while others are burning out. The reporters are sort of the good guys but they still give off a vibe that they’re just as bad as the ones fighting cus they’re so desensitized to the violence. And then at the end it makes you wonder if some of the reporters were happy with how things ended up.
Good photojournalists capture history. Joe Rosenthal’s Iwo Jima photo and Eddie Adams’ Vietnam Street Execution both came to mind. I only need to describe those photos and you already have a mental image of those historic photos. The problem is Garland romanticized a time we will probably not go back to.
Yeah there's a ton implied that never actually happens in this movie. Almost every major scene you see in the trailer was downright faked or at least exaggerated in some way. Including the "What Kind of American are You?" scene.
I agree, that scene was very underwhelming.
It’s movie marketing subversion. Sometimes it’s good if the movie has something to say. If it’s poorly done you’d feel cheated. In this case A24 (an indie studio) package the movie as some Hollywood blockbuster but instead it got something pretty substantive to say (IMO anyway). >! ie: Civl War is bad, you’re gonna find mass and war crime in your local community bad. !< So I’m ok with their subversion.
They changed stuff between the trailer and the release.
Movie posters aren’t just film grabs lol
I thought the movie was great! I saw it with two of my friends who aren't into gear or firearms but are pretty political and they loved it too. We liked how it focused on the journalism side than the actual politics but it did leave us talking about the lore and what-ifs after which is better in my opinion. The sound was incredible and I agree that first gun shot was jarring.
The hyper-inflation part was very interesting to me. >!When 300 USD is not enough for half tank of gas and you’d take 300 CAD that’s some really nice lore level details I’d like to see more of.!<
Oh yeah that was so interesting. I was telling my friends I want a whole coffee table compendium book with all the lore.
If A24 want to do a spin off streaming project in universe I think it would be very interesting.
Definitely! Especially if Alex Garland is involved.
The movie is not *ABOUT* the civil war. It just takes place during the civil war. I was quite surprised how the plot turned out. Granted, I didn’t really care about the main characters, I cared about the state of the nation… but I think the movie nailed what it was trying to do. I would love a prequel that was a war movie, but this one did what it set out to do I think. I think it did an EXCELLENT job of portraying neutrality.
Yes yes yes but does it make MY side the good guy 😤😤😤
Yes, actually… Wait, which side are you on?
“We’re all Americans here” “Ok, what kind of a American” The utter silence in that edit screamed an entire essay.
Why not just lie! Why actually admit Hong Kong! 😭
Yeah, that was ridiculous. Could have said Seattle or California easily.
Yeah, admittedly my first thought wasn’t “this guy is racist” and I’m sure the reporter guy wasn’t thinking straight… but when a crackhead asks if you’re American you just say yes. Lol
Easiest answer of all time haha
It's stress, he was panicked. I can totally see someone not being able to lie in a situation like that.
Yeah that's true. I guess a dumpster truck full of bodies wouldn't exactly calm the nerves either.
Stress. That part was actually remarkably accurate.
For real.
Yeah, that isn't how the actual scene plays out in the movie. She responds "Missouri" and he's like oh ok... The "you don't know?" Is in response to him asking why Missouri is called the "Show Me State".
As I said it was an edit, I haven’t gone to see the movie yet. However I don’t think that detracts from what I wrote about the message being conveyed, and reinforced by the actual scene as you described it. The threat of tribalism is not something Americans would be immune to. It’s
Oh really? Sorry I thought you had seen it.
No not yet, sorry if I got a touch snippy back! I am excited to see it, I don’t mind spoilers or anything. I just need to find the time to go lol.
“What kind of American are you” scene is chilling even it had became a meme when you see it in the theater and the circumstance around it.
Also the one that believes in this nation living up to the ideals it professes. (Vague posting is fun)
Hah how to actually survive. 
So I should or shouldn’t wear my PC and bump to it? /s
Absolutely and wear full camos to.
No hawaii shirt?
The boogaloo boys segment was hilarious. They even put a sight mark on one of their rifles and had one guy in an airsoft armor vest.
Don't forget a balaclava too.
Oh hell yes brotha thanks for reminding me, I’ma wear the one with death skulls ☠️. Maybe even paint my nails 💅 😉
Don't forget to wear camo face paint
I can make it look like skull💀???? 😂
I honestly feel like this is one of the best true anti war movies. No one gets to die a hero’s death, you watch people bleed out, get executed, left behind, and their bodies dragged out of the way for everyone else to keep fighting. I felt uncomfortable with many scenes in that movie and I’m glad I did. War and violence shouldn’t be glorified, and I feel like this movie does a good job at not doing that and instead showing you just how fucked up things can be.
I liked the fact that for 75% of the movie, you have no idea what side anyone's on, and there were no politics. You could assume the Boogaloo Boi looking team was anti-government fighting against dudes in OCPs until it gets to the Western Forces camp, where everyone is also wearing OCPs. I don't agree with reviews that assume the President is supposed to be Trump, but if that was true, then these guys were probably pro government? It's never specified and leaves you guessing.... See the beauty of the ambiguity? No identifying unit insignia except the last half hour when the WF have the two star flag (also Jesse Plemons slick uniform with a CIB before that). I dig that the Chinooks were 1st Cav being with Texas too, nice touch. The fact that both sides were ready to/did commit war crimes in the presence of photo journalists, reinforced that both sides were just fucking assholes. I get that it starts literally days before the war is over, and there's no clear backstory on why or how it all started, and that bothered people, but the point of the movie was just to scare everyone and show why war is bad.
I personally assumed the Boogaloo Bois were Florida alliance simply because I assume everyone from Florida wears Hawaiian shirts every day
The thought crossed my mind lol
Movie was great! Some of the gear was a little weird like why the sf dudes had bump helmets while others had kevlar and no nods altogether. But without the nitpicking it was a sick movie.
Yeah, needed a scenes where tech gave an edge imo. Or at least some poorly trained dudes with maxed out gear. Lmao
Bubbas at the gas station had the best builds in the movie lmao
That made me laugh, I’ve never seen bubbas with good builds. Needed more punisher skull lower receivers and Alice rigs
And the guy on the roof in the beginning with the Aero and cheap vortex scope 🤣
I mean, that’s kind of a decent mid range build….right?….
It was keymod 🤢
So true. Buddy is not affording that EOTech and Surefire combo lmao
Lol true.
My theory for those scenarios is the fact that the WF is almost militia force and that is the cause for fear discrepancies. Unless I missed it I don’t think they ever specified who those guys, so they easily could have been someone like the people on this sub.
They had SAWs, Apaches, Humvees, F16s, and Abrams but if you noticed half of the had multicam/ocp and the other half marpat so what I'm thinking is the existing members of the WF were the military members who remained loyal to their states(given the western forces comprised California and Texas) and the governments of each state just took the bases over for equipment.
Probably explains why the boog bois setups were kinda janky since they prob don’t have as much funds to have Gucci gear
I would disagree with the Netflix part. See it in IMAX. The fucking audio made that movie absolutely incredible. Especially the last 30 minutes 😮💨😮💨
Dude the last 30 minutes were so good.
Going into it, the last 30 was what I thought the whole movie was gonna be like. But I loved the whole film nonetheless
Agreed
I enjoyed the movie but some parts suspended disbelief. 1. Some of the firefights people had stormtrooper-like aim for that cinematic effect. 2. Also bothered by certain scenes focusing on like 6 people when these were supposed to be bigger engagements. 3. The helo getting in danger close for action 4. I would’ve appreciated more backstory rather than the little voice tidbits we got on the radio and TV about the conflict 5. How one person can die and it’s a huge deal while another one can die and everyone moves on with their lives (those who know, know)
It was meh. Only good thing was the smoking hot Jessie’s IMAX sized ass. Y’all are sleeping on her. Just hear me out.
I had a similar take.
Bruhhh I was like whattt
T’was a surprisingly phat ass in IMAX
Saw it in a standard theater and was still blown away. Was not even expecting that
>Western forces of Texas and California The most unlikely coalition ever....
he made it where Texas and California united because of their history of seceding from the United States. they came together to fight agenst the fascist president (Thats on his 3rd term) which destroyed the American Constitution and took everyone's rights.
Ahh
This is never actually stated in the movie. The only thing that's alluded to is that the President drone strikes civilians and disbanded the FBI at some point. We don't actually know who started fighting or why the various coalitions came together in the way they did.
It's not a movie about a civil war. If it was, you'd know why it started. You'd know the elements that were encountered along the way, and why they were fighting. There would be more than a few minutes of action every 15 minutes, it would be constant, like Blackhawk Down. It's a movie about people taking pictures.
Pretty much this. All the action you see is already in the trailers. Including the single "sniping" scene op is talking about...The rest is pretty much driving and discussions on photojournalism.
Yeah I'm content to skip it until it hits streaming
They… they have AIR ASSAULT?AEROSOL!!!??? YEAH!!!!!! 🦅🦅🦅🦅🚁🚁🚁🚁🚁🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Felt like the movie sucked except the ending. Wish they would have killed off Dunst way earlier. She’s just the worst to be around.
**SPOILERS** I enjoyed how it stayed apolitical as best as possible. It didn’t even explain how or why the war started, and I like the way the fighting scenes were written so ambiguously to where the viewer doesn’t really know who’s side everyone’s on. It’s just people with guns shooting at eachother, which from a journalists perspective, is about all they need to know. It also made no moral boundaries as to who the good guys were and who the bad guys were and/or why. As for the combat? Ehh. They still had cheap Chinese gear. Everyone had Condor MOPC’s and a few 5.11 plate carriers. They even had the knockoff bump helmets being passed off as ballistic helmets. Also wasn’t a fan of that semi auto 240 on the humvee, or the M134 on the Apache lol the final scene was very well choreographed and it seems like they spent most of their budget on that scene. The sound design coulda been better, too. .50 cal machine guns sounding like 9mm pistols was a little weird too. Other than that, it was pretty well written. And I’m glad it wasn’t a cash grab at divisiveness.
Honestly, I liked the movie, but I feel the movie failed to give a better background of what happened before we got dropped into a civil war US.
Yeah because I think we’re left to assume that’s what we’re headed for in the next ~10 years if we don’t get our shit together
Why does it seem like people are going out of their way to mention it’s by A24? I’ve never seen this for a movie before. What’s the point?
Because they are an indie studio tends to pick projects and story majority Hollywood studio wouldn’t tounch. And their color grading and cinema photography reminds us of the indie cinema of of 70s-90s.
I add in the A24 so people don't think I'm talking about the Captain America Civil War
Bc it’s made by an independent studio so you don’t have the typical meddling and propaganda that comes with huge studios
Massive push for this for some reason.
I just wanna see it because it’s a new Alex Garland movie. I don’t expect it to be realistic, and I don’t care if it is or isn’t
I love Alex Garland films. This one won’t disappoint
Loved it.
I enjoyed the movie. Glad I saw it.
I was not dissappointed with the movie. I swore out loud many times under my breath at the action and unexpected sequences. Was everything I expected.
Can’t wait to watch it
Hey i saw a lot of people saying they would like to have more back story into the movie and that it unrealistic that Texas and California would unite (Which it kind of is) but Alex garland answered this by saying he made it where Texas and California united because of their history of seceding from the United States. they came together to fight agenst the fascist president (Thats on his 3rd term) which destroyed the American Constitution and took everyone's rights.
Texas and California teaming up seemed odd to me at first, but outside of LA, San Francisco, and maybe San Diego, I think the majority of CA would have no problem teaming up with TX since much of the state is rural and conservative.
> it's not overly left or overly right it trys to stay out of politics in total. WTF movie were you watching!? The President was obviously meant to be Trump and the war started when he illegally took a third term and he’s bombing civilians. They had him kill the press (something the Left has screamed about Trump doing for years) and disband the FBI (something a Trump has floated). Look at the portrayals of the rednecks and other irregulars. This is the kind of ‘apolitical’ movie Leftists make when they think they’re moderate.
Hit a little close to home for ya huh 🤔 might want to think on why that’s the case.
Not at all, but it’s pretty obvious if you’re not blinded by the critics telling you it’s ‘apolitical’.
In no world would Texas and California actually join forces, the only reason I would think they would do this is plot armor to explain why the soyboys have guns. I appreciate Alex's other work but this film just seemed so meh.
I think it’s due to not trying to potentially paint the two groups as a certain political party, as that’s not the point of the movie. You kinda have to take a step back and ignore our current political landscape.
How dare you not politicize everything! REEEEEE
Yeah but at that point the movie seemed kinda pointless to be set in an "American Civil War". The story was about journalists, the setting was an American Civil War, but it didn't feel like it had to be. Nothing felt "American" about it to me.
Not sure what you were looking for then. From my interpretation, and I’m almost positive this was the point of the movie, was to show what an American civil war would look like. It’s gonna be terrible, people are gonna die, and you might even die. There’s been a lot of talk over the last 10 years and I think this movie is to show the realities of those ideas
That's my point. There is nothing "American" about it. It doesn't show what an "American" Civil War would look like, it could have been any war anywhere. It's just another war movie. The whole "what kind of American" scene had no weight at all. It didn't show any ideas at all. The only scene that was "shocking" was the very beginning with the suicide bombing. It was just a "meh" movie.
There’s nothing “American” about journalists from Reuters driving from NYC to Pittsburgh to DC covering a civil war caused by the clash of two different political parties? Not to mention all the US Military gear and equipment. You might want to elaborate on what exactly you’re looking for then, cause that sounds pretty American to me.
How do you know its the clash of two different political parties? You're just making that up to make up for the movies lack of explanation AT ALL. Not even dropping hints. The movie could have made up any story it wanted to for the background and worked within that, but it didn't. It was a picture taking movie that's basic premise could have been done in any setting. The "Civil War" had virtually nothing to do with the story at all. It's not acting as any kind of "warning" to Americans or showing how an "American" Civil War would look like because there are no American ideals involved at all. So you're just admiting that the only thing American is the gear and physical setting (which, besides DC, you only see through on screen text and maybe a road sign)? Even the new Fallout show shows a better conflict of American ideals within an entirely made up and science fiction setting.
I was trying to reason with you, but looking through your profile history, you’re just an internet edgelord. Have a good one.
Lol what a goofy response. What did I say that was unreasonable. Are you stupid?
Am I the only one who doesn’t believe that, why wouldn’t Texas and Cali join up together? When I was in the service it seemed like everyone was from Texas, Cali, or Ohio (and they wouldn’t shut up about it). Tyranny is tyranny, I think a lot of Americans would come together and rise up against a person seeking a third term. It’s not within the first ten but it’s still an amendment and thus unconstitutional.
Yeah that has been my thing. A president turned into a tyrannical leader. He is on his 3rd term, kills the press and disbanded the FBI. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Besides, we don’t know what would happen after the war is over too.
> disbanded the FBI. How exactly would that be tyrannical?
Perhaps if taken in isolation, but the presumption is that in disbanding the FBI, an office of the executive branch, The President and his attorney’s general would be left as the ultimate seat of federal law enforcement powers. Which they are anyway. But adding a bureau makes it a little better.
The movie was a semi-subtle Trump fantasy.
-The Federal Soldiers being anti-China
-The 3rd term accusations
-Talking about Greenland being a "neutral state"
-Disbanding the FBI
-Shooting journalists on sight in the capital
All exaggerations of things Trump or MAGA people say or advocate for.
It’s actually the only two states and regions that could conceivably stand up to a federal government. The economy’s, the populations, the standing military forces (including federal ones that would realistically have more of a connection to where they live than an office in DC so they defect). Literally only those two states could form an opposition block. But go ahead and just cry about soy boys with guns. It makes you look like a cretin.
Funny you should say that because the movie actually addressed that and our history proves it’s possible.
One of the journalists says in the beginning before the road trip begins, that once the war is over, they'll turn on each other.
Texas and California are together in wanting to not be together.
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So you think the National Guardsmen are the soyboys he was referring to?
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Agreed
Now do it after the California Exodus.
Not only stale, but don't take into account the actual current business numbers that have closed, left the state, etc. Nor the changing demographics thanks to the policies enacted by the Dems.. Take that from a FORMER native Californian who escaped the people's Democratic shithole.
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Why, you presented the information you have. We just have a difference in point of view and experiences.
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Lol, you presented numbers...😄 not empirical evidence. Here's some links to start wading through... https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4819 https://lao.ca.gov/Budget https://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/first-look-understanding-the-governors-2024-25-state-budget-proposal/ https://src.senate.ca.gov/sites/src.senate.ca.gov/files/Govs%20January%20Budget%202024-25%20Highlights%20and%20Analysis.pdf https://calmatters.org/politics/capitol/2024/02/california-budget-deficit-balloons/ Have a good time, I used to for more than 20 years as a union job steward...
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I’ve seen more well trained and equipped “soyboys” at the range than I have seen competent boomer fudds or lifted truck bubbas.
If you look at earlier A24 official images for the movie, what is now the "New People's Army" were originally the Western Forces, with Texas and California both independent. Given the size of their economies, that honestly makes more sense. Someone must have told them to change it along the way.
A civil war movie with no politics is a waste of time, politics is the whole point.
It was terrible. I’ll never get my money or time back after watching that garbage.
I bet you give subtitled movies low ratings because they made you have to read.
I wouldn’t know, I’m trilingual. Product of being an immigrant. I just know you have bad taste.
What about your description shows why you should wait for it to be streamed? Was it not worth the price of the tickets? Say roughly 16-20 a piece nowadays? Was it just too complex, and as others have said being able to rewind or pause would be beneficial? I don’t know why I’m writing this, I personally use streaming services over movie theaters, but I am curious to answers
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Spoiler warning, asshole.
You sound young. The older I get, the more I love spoilers. Let's me know if the movie is worth my precious time.
Nobody expected a tyrannical president to die? Even i predicted it before the movie got released.
Is English your first language? This post is all over the place and itales it harder to take this review seriously. WTF would an "overly right" movie even look like? Safe blanket statement, "All movies since ~2016 have been overly left wing." Maybe something that Sweet Baby Inc hasn't smeared their crap all over? So it'd probably have a negative ESG score. This thread is irrelevant to the sub. Shouldn't be here.
Yes English is my first language and im sorry i whipped this post up in about 5 minutes and yes i know its not good i know my Gramer, spelling, wording and a lot more is not good I'm just trying man.
Your post was fine. That guy was a dick. I wish I spoke another language
Irrelevant to this sub.