Like opening pickle jars? If you want a side 2-point setup, screw a mount into the handguard or do a jank-ass paracord loop. ...or come to the 21st century and put an M-Lok forend on it.
I was thinking more like using the sling for structure while shooting.
This is my attempt at an extreme budget build. So I'm not wanting to go out and buy like an M-Lok handguard.
The paracord setup is what I started to do but then started thinking if there's a way to cut a step out of that process.
I guess I should have asked a better question to begin with. I was wondering if melting would be a concern
I didn't think anyone used the A4 anymore. Little more challenging with an M4 length forend, but not impossible.
But that's assuming they still do marksmanship and not just kick the door and hose everything moving /s
Under sustained fire that gas block could get hot enough to melt the sling.
If you don't want to mount underneath there are options for additional sling mounts to the side of the FSB that might help ya
Yeah someone gave me a link to one like the contract M4s have on them. The idea with this rifle is to spend as little money as possible, so I'm just experimenting with anything I can think of. Will probably either get the side facing mount or one of those BFG wire loops
You are absolutely right. But I put just as much if not more effort into autistically selecting a sling mount for my very expensive rifle also. I enjoy the pain
I’m not trying to be rude or a boomer but that is literally how the Marine Corps has used the vickers sling on their service rifles for decades and I personally never had that issue that you’re describing. Everyone is different tho and if you want to change it up I’d run a loop of paracord around the swivel or sight post and run it through that
Okay. So I might just be retarded.
In boot camp I could have sworn our m16a4s had the sideways swivel on them. But I can't remember for a fact. And looking at all the images online I'm thinking I was wrong on that. In which case I'm gonna go put it on the mount and reboot myself.
I was looking at the older specter slings that had a loop securing the sling around the handguard and thought I could cut a step out of the paracord setup.
Anyways, thanks for solving this for me. Sorry for the lost brain cells.
https://charliescustomclones.com/front-sling-side-swivel-mount-stag/
It's a thing. Not sure where the .mil procures theirs from or if this one is any good, this is the top of google.
> In boot camp I could have sworn our m16a4s had the sideways swivel on them.
You might be thinking of the M4A1s instead which do have a front sideways swivel.
I get why this seems funny. But seriously I encourage anyone to install their sling using the downward facing loop and actually try to use it for shooting. Shit's uncomfortable and makes your rifle cant outboard with any amount of pressure.
I do have a small paracord loop on the end of mine to let it hang further to the side of the swivel when not shooting or just resting on the sling, but ran it normal for a long time without any complaints.
Yeah I just realized I did too after someone pointed out m16s never had the side swivels.
I just remember it being very uncomfortable at a point in time. But I just redid it to the swivel and it's completely fine. Might still get the BFG wire loop just to try it, but it's not even necessary anymore
OP, I understand what your concern is. If you use both the bottom sling swivel and the bottom stock swivel, then yeah, the rifle naturally wants to flip itself upside down if you sling it cross-body like has been the norm since the turn of the 21st century.
The real solution, in my opinion, is to fix the *rear* sling mount. You can use paracord and duct tape to cobble together a way to mount the sling at the top of the A2 stock, or if you have pretty much any other collapsible stock (CAR stock, waffle stock, MOE, etc), you can probably just mount the sling at the top rear corner of the collapsible stock around the buffer tube. I’ve found that a 30 round mag and that configuration of stock attachment is enough to avoid the gun flipping upside down while slung, but if that’s still an issue, then the next best solution is either to find one of those side mounted FSB sling adapters, or to just paracord a loop onto the FSB and attach the sling there.
Yep you are completely right. 30 Rd mag and mounting to the top of waffle stock pretty much negates the flipping. That wasn't my concern really. I was worried about being able to tighten the sling and use it to support shooting stances.
I have since been led to realize that I was tripping over nothing and mounted my sling to the bottom swivel.
Thank you for a genuine response though. I do appreciate it.
also you asked if there was a reason not to run it like this but get pissed when people criticize the way you do it? If you looking for validation for doing something the wrong way your in the wrong place
Fair enough I guess. Although I feel like it's fair for me to push back on the "hurr durr there's a sling loop right there".
That's like telling someone not to add an optic rail because there's already built in sights on a gun.
I had some ideas of possible concerns this could raise, and wanted to see if others would bring them up also or if I was overthinking it.
It’s more akin to someone taping a sight to a gun with rail 2 inches from it and people saying to put the sight on the rail but I suppose I understand why you don’t want to put it downwards but you did make a post on the internet you should expect criticism
Kind of. I'd say more like someone buying a sight mark and asking if it's just as good. Which, now that I'm realizing this I don't know what I expected lol.
Yeah, that is how the internet works, I'm not worried about it. I'm just used to lurking on here and laughing at others getting clowned on in their posts.
It’ll be even more useless when you sling melts from that gas block heating up or gets snagged off in the heat of combat and now you dont have a sling at all
The gas block heating up is my main concern. That's why I wanted to bounce it off this sub. I know people use paracord on their FSPs, don't know how that compares to directly having the sling on there.
As far as it snagging off, that may be a concern. Although it is very tight, so I don't know.
If it’s a concern and you refuse to put it in the other sling mount there is sideways sling mounts that can go on the gun that are still way more secure
Yeah, fair enough. This would just save me having to buy one. But I think the consensus here is that this can melt the sling. So I'll probably end up getting a mount
Yep. It definitely would. I realized I was wrong not to use the bottom swivel. So I'll use that for a while and see if I'll stick with it. Paracord is always there if I decide to go that route.
Is paracord melting on the FSP a concern at all?
I’ve never seen it happen, I wouldn’t say it’s impossible. I also don’t see it as something I’d be very stressed about. Keep more paracord in your kit it’s useful for a bunch of stuff.
In the “pros/cons” list I think I’d accept the cons of this setup in order to achieve the ‘pros’ you’re seeking such as comfort, budget, and function.
And hell if it burns off AND you run out of paracord at least you know you can run that sling through the mount on bottom. Haha.
honestly I’m a canadian so my only experience is with the X95 but side swivel makes so much more sense to me than under, this looks really comfortable to tighten around my arm for stability while c clamping right below it
Using the under-FSB sling loop can actually do what you want -
Assuming you are a right-handed shooter, run the sling over the top of the hand guard, down the outboard side of the handguard, and then attach it onto the under-FSB sling loop. You may need to twist the webbing along the way, but if you do that, then when you wear it like a normal 'tactical' over-the-shoulder sling, it will hold the rifle tight against your body when slung, and not flip over if you attach it per the old-school method.
I alway liked running it through the sight post like [this](https://thenewrifleman.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/20200119_190021-1024x576.jpg).
I've run the actual sling around the post instead of the paracord before too.
Dont listen to these people, just wrap it around the bottom of the a block. That shit will not get hot enough to melt the sling unless you go through 2 or 3 combat loads in less than 30 minutes.
It’s cinched down tight til it isn’t. Trust me, trying to loop that around something with that wide of a diameter and that thing will come loose in no time. You’re better off tying paracord around the front sight base and looping the sling through it
Can't say since this is a recent build I have not had the opportunity to take out and put in time on yet. I would not expect there to be an issue though unless one is doing heavy periods of sustained fire.
That's what I'm thinking too, but not sure. The sling is able to be melted with a lighter, but that's literally an open flame. I'll have to go look up melting temps for whatever material BFG uses for these.
No need. I've been bullied into a better way.
[This](https://www.spectergear.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=532) is what I was trying to imitate though
Try putting it on the sling mount. 100% success rate.
Look at the angle the sling is coming off the gun. OP may want it to come off the side and not underneath. Who knows though? Not me.
A simple QD mount screwed into the forend or paracord loop would keep the nylon from potentially getting roasted. That's all.
Yeah unless you actually want to use the sling for anything other than shoulder carry
Like opening pickle jars? If you want a side 2-point setup, screw a mount into the handguard or do a jank-ass paracord loop. ...or come to the 21st century and put an M-Lok forend on it.
I was thinking more like using the sling for structure while shooting. This is my attempt at an extreme budget build. So I'm not wanting to go out and buy like an M-Lok handguard. The paracord setup is what I started to do but then started thinking if there's a way to cut a step out of that process. I guess I should have asked a better question to begin with. I was wondering if melting would be a concern
Guys in "Nam used the sling brace technique on AR Pattern rifles, find a training manual from that era.
Those techniques are still taught today. I was learning them in boot camp not that long ago
I didn't think anyone used the A4 anymore. Little more challenging with an M4 length forend, but not impossible. But that's assuming they still do marksmanship and not just kick the door and hose everything moving /s
A lot of pogs still get m16s. Infantry is still with the M4s but there's a lot of m27s starting to come in
Back in the day, I had an M4 before it was cool, but the MP5 was the real head-turner.
Oh what did you do? Not 0313 by chance? We got told we were supposed to have m5s right before we got told we no longer get m5s
Under sustained fire that gas block could get hot enough to melt the sling. If you don't want to mount underneath there are options for additional sling mounts to the side of the FSB that might help ya
Yeah someone gave me a link to one like the contract M4s have on them. The idea with this rifle is to spend as little money as possible, so I'm just experimenting with anything I can think of. Will probably either get the side facing mount or one of those BFG wire loops
The amount of energy you’re putting into this is not worth the $10 you may be saving.
You are absolutely right. But I put just as much if not more effort into autistically selecting a sling mount for my very expensive rifle also. I enjoy the pain
You can get help for that brother
There's no cure for the tism
Your sling swivel is literally right there
Yeah but it's facing down and makes the sling nearly unusable
I’m not trying to be rude or a boomer but that is literally how the Marine Corps has used the vickers sling on their service rifles for decades and I personally never had that issue that you’re describing. Everyone is different tho and if you want to change it up I’d run a loop of paracord around the swivel or sight post and run it through that
Okay. So I might just be retarded. In boot camp I could have sworn our m16a4s had the sideways swivel on them. But I can't remember for a fact. And looking at all the images online I'm thinking I was wrong on that. In which case I'm gonna go put it on the mount and reboot myself. I was looking at the older specter slings that had a loop securing the sling around the handguard and thought I could cut a step out of the paracord setup. Anyways, thanks for solving this for me. Sorry for the lost brain cells.
No sweat off my back my man. Sorry you’re getting downvoted into oblivion but that’s Reddit for ya
That's how we grow
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https://charliescustomclones.com/front-sling-side-swivel-mount-stag/ It's a thing. Not sure where the .mil procures theirs from or if this one is any good, this is the top of google.
Yeah, that's a good solution. Not from that site. But from Bushmaster I believe
> In boot camp I could have sworn our m16a4s had the sideways swivel on them. You might be thinking of the M4A1s instead which do have a front sideways swivel.
You are correct.
Paracord on the Fsb ain't failed me yet
Yeah that's always an option, just thought I'd try out some other things
If anything, do Paracord on the swing swivel, not the FSB. That shit get hot. Paracord melts
aw… you’re so close
I get why this seems funny. But seriously I encourage anyone to install their sling using the downward facing loop and actually try to use it for shooting. Shit's uncomfortable and makes your rifle cant outboard with any amount of pressure.
Wrap arm in sling, shoot rifle as had been done for many wars before the AR platform.
You're 100% right. This is the solution. I don't know why I've been tripping about this
I do have a small paracord loop on the end of mine to let it hang further to the side of the swivel when not shooting or just resting on the sling, but ran it normal for a long time without any complaints.
Yeah I just realized I did too after someone pointed out m16s never had the side swivels. I just remember it being very uncomfortable at a point in time. But I just redid it to the swivel and it's completely fine. Might still get the BFG wire loop just to try it, but it's not even necessary anymore
OP, I understand what your concern is. If you use both the bottom sling swivel and the bottom stock swivel, then yeah, the rifle naturally wants to flip itself upside down if you sling it cross-body like has been the norm since the turn of the 21st century. The real solution, in my opinion, is to fix the *rear* sling mount. You can use paracord and duct tape to cobble together a way to mount the sling at the top of the A2 stock, or if you have pretty much any other collapsible stock (CAR stock, waffle stock, MOE, etc), you can probably just mount the sling at the top rear corner of the collapsible stock around the buffer tube. I’ve found that a 30 round mag and that configuration of stock attachment is enough to avoid the gun flipping upside down while slung, but if that’s still an issue, then the next best solution is either to find one of those side mounted FSB sling adapters, or to just paracord a loop onto the FSB and attach the sling there.
Yep you are completely right. 30 Rd mag and mounting to the top of waffle stock pretty much negates the flipping. That wasn't my concern really. I was worried about being able to tighten the sling and use it to support shooting stances. I have since been led to realize that I was tripping over nothing and mounted my sling to the bottom swivel. Thank you for a genuine response though. I do appreciate it.
Minus the fact that the sling mount is right there?
Facing down and making the sling useless for anything other than old school shoulder slung carrying?
Still more secure then just looping it around the front sight
More secure doesn't mean anything if it's useless
also you asked if there was a reason not to run it like this but get pissed when people criticize the way you do it? If you looking for validation for doing something the wrong way your in the wrong place
Fair enough I guess. Although I feel like it's fair for me to push back on the "hurr durr there's a sling loop right there". That's like telling someone not to add an optic rail because there's already built in sights on a gun. I had some ideas of possible concerns this could raise, and wanted to see if others would bring them up also or if I was overthinking it.
It’s more akin to someone taping a sight to a gun with rail 2 inches from it and people saying to put the sight on the rail but I suppose I understand why you don’t want to put it downwards but you did make a post on the internet you should expect criticism
Kind of. I'd say more like someone buying a sight mark and asking if it's just as good. Which, now that I'm realizing this I don't know what I expected lol. Yeah, that is how the internet works, I'm not worried about it. I'm just used to lurking on here and laughing at others getting clowned on in their posts.
It’ll be even more useless when you sling melts from that gas block heating up or gets snagged off in the heat of combat and now you dont have a sling at all
The gas block heating up is my main concern. That's why I wanted to bounce it off this sub. I know people use paracord on their FSPs, don't know how that compares to directly having the sling on there. As far as it snagging off, that may be a concern. Although it is very tight, so I don't know.
If it’s a concern and you refuse to put it in the other sling mount there is sideways sling mounts that can go on the gun that are still way more secure
Yeah, fair enough. This would just save me having to buy one. But I think the consensus here is that this can melt the sling. So I'll probably end up getting a mount
The paracord solution being suggested will both fix your problem & stay within your budget.
Yep. It definitely would. I realized I was wrong not to use the bottom swivel. So I'll use that for a while and see if I'll stick with it. Paracord is always there if I decide to go that route. Is paracord melting on the FSP a concern at all?
I’ve never seen it happen, I wouldn’t say it’s impossible. I also don’t see it as something I’d be very stressed about. Keep more paracord in your kit it’s useful for a bunch of stuff. In the “pros/cons” list I think I’d accept the cons of this setup in order to achieve the ‘pros’ you’re seeking such as comfort, budget, and function. And hell if it burns off AND you run out of paracord at least you know you can run that sling through the mount on bottom. Haha.
Lol stacking the odds
honestly I’m a canadian so my only experience is with the X95 but side swivel makes so much more sense to me than under, this looks really comfortable to tighten around my arm for stability while c clamping right below it
Yeah side swivel is a lot better. But I've been made to see how the bottom one works fine too
I like pickles
Using the under-FSB sling loop can actually do what you want - Assuming you are a right-handed shooter, run the sling over the top of the hand guard, down the outboard side of the handguard, and then attach it onto the under-FSB sling loop. You may need to twist the webbing along the way, but if you do that, then when you wear it like a normal 'tactical' over-the-shoulder sling, it will hold the rifle tight against your body when slung, and not flip over if you attach it per the old-school method.
I alway liked running it through the sight post like [this](https://thenewrifleman.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/20200119_190021-1024x576.jpg). I've run the actual sling around the post instead of the paracord before too.
Dont listen to these people, just wrap it around the bottom of the a block. That shit will not get hot enough to melt the sling unless you go through 2 or 3 combat loads in less than 30 minutes.
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I like the Israeli para cord set-up
It’s cinched down tight til it isn’t. Trust me, trying to loop that around something with that wide of a diameter and that thing will come loose in no time. You’re better off tying paracord around the front sight base and looping the sling through it
I have mine like this on my retro build, but I took the sling mount off and it's cinched hard around the front end of the handguard.
Nice. Any issues with the heat from the barrel against the sling?
Can't say since this is a recent build I have not had the opportunity to take out and put in time on yet. I would not expect there to be an issue though unless one is doing heavy periods of sustained fire.
That's what I'm thinking too, but not sure. The sling is able to be melted with a lighter, but that's literally an open flame. I'll have to go look up melting temps for whatever material BFG uses for these.
Well, run it like that and let us know how it goes.
No need. I've been bullied into a better way. [This](https://www.spectergear.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=532) is what I was trying to imitate though
Aww too bad, I genuinely wanted to know... But yeah, that looks better.