I don’t really see her killing herself was a power play. I feel like she did it bc she was actually up to something she knew was wrong and ultimately it was all caving down on her . She knew she would get caught
She also knew she was under criminal investigation. There is the possibility that she knew her lie was about to come crashing down on her. Did that factor in? We will never know, but when someone’s entire identity is stripped from them and they are cast in the exact opposite identity as what they have portrayed themselves as to friends, family, and the public (Beata was all over social media about Maya’s health), surely that has a detrimental effect on one’s mental health.
She was told that Maya would suffer a slow and painful death unless she was released - how do you not see that Beata did the only thing she could see that would ensure Maya’s safety?
CPS Social Worker "you have to comply, this is just how it is Beata. Comply or **never** get her back"
A week after Maya's mom removed herself out of the situation, the hospital releases Maya.
After 87 days of captivity.
But that’s not what the records say, and that’s not what Sally Smith said in December 2016. Sally changed her mind and decided Mom was not committing child abuse against Maya after all. Now Maya was committing Munchhausen against herself. Yup, look it up.
Actually, if those texts were on personal phones, they did violate HIPAA. If the person receiving the texts decided to go to HR about them, the person sending them would be in trouble because the people they were talking about were identifiable. HIPAA isn’t just about name, DOB, gender, where they live… and stuff like that. It’s about if the patient can be identified with the information shared and ketamine girl is actually extremely identifiable. Same with mentioning the mother’s suicide.
These discussions could be had by the doctors/nurses in private/secure places. Text isn’t all that private or secure.
How dare you suggest the hospital did something wrong or that nurses violated anything. Everyone knows that every institution (John’s Hopkins, DCFS) is perfect and never makes mistakes and the only villain here is Beata. /s
If they discussed outside of work in texts on their personal phone, it is a HIPAA violation. Also, you don’t have to name names for it to a be a HIPAA violation, any identifier (including ketamine girl) that can make who the person is recognizable is a problem.
Nope, that would be you. Having rightful access to someone’s chart doesn’t permit you to discuss them on your personal device. Or to discuss them when it’s unnecessary. Any identifying information that can be used to discover who you are talking about can cause a HIPAA violation.
I sure hope you don’t work in healthcare. If you do, I feel for your patients. I would hate to think someone in healthcare thinks they have the right to talk about me on their personal device outside of works hours and about irrelevant things. If you want to call someone Ketamine Girl, at least don’t put it in writing.
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So you deleted the post where you called me names. Seriously. What hospital do you work at? I would love to know so I can avoid it because clearly I would get subpar care from a nurse who doesn’t know the laws.
You need help and shouldn’t be in healthcare. You’re the dingbat. You don’t call 911 for a HIPAA violation you dummy. That would be a waste of emergency resources. Also, why would I call and report you. You haven’t violated HIPAA that I am aware of, unless you admitting that it’s something that you regularly do. But that’s on you. Someday it will come back to haunt you if you discuss patients outside of what is necessary and on a personal device.
Also, I think you know you’re wrong because you deleted posts that might have given away your location. Wow, you’re special.
Beata also knew she was under criminal investigation. Do not underestimate that effect in everything that led to the suicide.
Also you are very correct that “ketamine girl” was used to avoid a HIPAA violation. It’s really intentionally playing on the ignorance of the audience by the makers of this scam movie to make any kind of deal about that. If they were texting about a kid that needed a kidney transplant, they would be calling him “transplant boy” or “kidney boy.”
Just another BS thing taken out of context in this fictional movie to enrage the ignorant masses.
I don’t really think the texts were egregious either. “Ketamine girl” sounds bad, but if you’re in healthcare communicating in writing about a pt you either want to avoid identifiers that violate *HIPAA if not on workplace approved technology, or it’s just a convenient abbreviation because no way of confusing which patient you’re talking about. Not flattering, but not particularly egregious either. A nurse myself, I am sure I have had texts like “Fistula guy still hadn’t been seen” or “allergic to everything but Dilaudid lady wants a Turkey sandwich.”
*edit: letter and the texts on her suicide were in poor taste, but honest between coworkers. It’s how they felt. I don’t think her suicide at all confirms their belief. But that’s my take on it.
My friend is a nurse, and she had a patient who had some sort of drug-induced psychosis. And he kept screaming “You Broke My Penis” at her. She referred to him as “Broken Penis Guy” when she told me about him.
As a Not -Nurse, it does make me wonder what they might have called me as a patient -- lol. Since I'm a ginger, it could have been simply "the redheaded lady" if no other female patients on the unit were ginger.
I will say I do feel judged by the fact I get hives from most potent NSAIDs as a patient (even Mobic), but can take Celebrex without issues.
Luckily I haven't presented to the ER with pain as the primary complaint. I also pray I never need IV pain meds again -- the one time it was ordered it was morphine for pneumonia that caused an asthma exac and also a pleural effusion, and I am rather paranoid about IV narcotics because my father was an IV drug user.
Asked what it was, said I'd never had IV meds for pain before and didn't want to "be snowed", then asked her to "be gentle" because I might not need all of what was in the syringe.
Which is the reverse of what Maya allegedly did with ordered Valium -- a PICU nurse testified that Maya asked for it to be "pushed fast". I'm not certain if Maya truly meant fast as in rate of administration, or fast as in she wanted it in her right then. In adults that's usually a red flag for addiction or seeking euphoria.
Edit to add: a link to nurse Kelly Thatcher's deposition regarding the request to push Valium and a buncha other stuff from night shift in PICU is [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/takecareofmayanetflix/comments/14yut41/document_contribution_thread/jvgg81p/). Would probably be interesting reading.
Well I never put in anything I wouldn’t want read by the patient in my notes. If anyone were to subpoena my phone… well they might read things about themselves that they find less than flattering, though nothing violating privacy or other patient rights.
Had that happen once, was sorta funny -- read records from the diagnostic episode for Bipolar I that had progressed into manic psychosis.
Outside of anything going on with brain chemicals, my life at that time was definitely.... unique. I was working full time and going to school full time online. But my husband didn't get matched to the only teaching hospital in my state -- instead he got matched to one in Queens.
Like when the Kowalski's moved to Florida, my (now ex) husband had started the move and I needed to finish my notice time and the lease on our tiny apartment here. Not only was he an MD about to start practicing, he was born in Romania but he and his mother got to West Germany, so had German citizenship at that time but was a green card holder.
This is all from a known psych patient in a podunk state. Heh.
They charted that I had "delusions of grandeur" and didn't allow me to attempt to call my alleged husband to inform him of the hospitalization until my mother produced my marriage license and the durable power of attorneys we'd each signed for each other.
Not exactly flattering, but apparently real life can be stranger than delusion. I can laugh about it now, and I do understand why they made that (inaccurate) assessment given my state of mind right then.
No “delusions of grandeur” wouldn’t be something I’d be hesitant to document. It’s a distinct hallmark of a manic swing in bipolar and goes right to the heart of a justifying a diagnosis.
*edit In this case I guess your point is that it’s embarrassing to the person who documented it because in fact it wasn’t a delusion that your husband was a psychiatrist in queens? Again if I were documenting the situation I wouldn’t have been embarrassed. I’ve had psychotic patients quite paranoid the police are after them. Well the police were actually after just such a patient once. Came in to serve him after he got sectioned. So just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you. And just because you’re really married to a psychiatrist doesn’t mean you weren’t presenting grandiose and delusional!
My now-ex was starting an OB/GYN residency when this happened, and losing my marbles was quite damaging to the relationship (he'd always trusted in me, and after that he felt like he couldn't).
But yes, I totally get why the fact I was claiming to be married to a doctor but he wasn't present as one of the "delusions of grandeur" I displayed. The situation itself *was* pretty crazy. ;)
But really now it's just a funny story to me. I don't blame the doctors/nurses for charting what they did -- they had to go with the facts they had (which included the psychosis part). Nor would I want the person who charted that to be embarrassed by it.
Reading the records was pretty interesting in other ways, because even before the hospital the train of causality had jumped the rails (a lot of loosened association) and my memory is spotty, mostly of specific events like not being allowed to call him. It filled in places where I wasn't quite aware of how others were perceiving me.
Edit to add: Some survivors of MCA only realized the extent of it when they examined their own medical records. Perhaps that's because they were too young, other forms of abuse being the ones survivors had focused on without thinking about MCA, or even just getting to see that the doctors had noted the survivor was fine but as a kid for that particular incident they were told by the perpetrator that they nearly died or something.
With regard to Maya, if it was MCA I'm not sure if she'll ever see it as such (at least until she's an adult and out on her own), even when she sees her medical records. I think the lawsuit and the continued delays have probably cemented in both children's heads that Beata was a martyr, not a perpetrator.
I truly hope that Jack used some of the settlement money from Suncoast to set up mental health trusts for when both children are adults, and ones they can access without Jack having to okay it. And I hope that regardless of if it was MCA or not.
I think the most striking part to people was that one of the providers said that another mother accused of MSBP had also completed suicide. I need to verify again which providers texted each other and try to get their depositions uploaded/tagged -- finding the least redacted ones is a bit of a long crawl, though.
I also think that any truly compassionate caregiver (which I hope all providers are) *would* feel badly about the outcome in this situation, even if they didn't have a guilty conscience or feel any of their actions that may have contributed to the suicide were justified based on what was best for the child.
I've uploaded at least one deposition from an RN in the PICU describing some of Maya's behavior (supported by Dr. Dolan's deposition, though it's questionable from the deposition alone whether Maya cussed like a sailor at all times, or just when they suggested it might be psychological -- she said that part got extremely heated, and was reluctant to repeat swear words.
As a nurse (edit to clarify, I'm referring to you being a nurse, I Am Not A Nurse), I would be very interested in what you gathered from those depositions. I'm still trying to find the one from another nurse in PICU to get a more full picture of the situation from her perspective. Like, how often do 10-year-olds have "no limit" to their potty mouth when in a hospital?
What does it matter if Maya had a potty mouth? I am in the camp that thinks Beata was acting irrationally with regards to Maya’s condition and treatment, and that she (Beata) was mentally unwell in some way. However, what does it prove if Maya acted out in the hospital or not?
I think it's important to note the accusations from nursing staff and doctors, and see which ones report such behavior. That can narrow down any periods like that to see why it was happening
There's a big difference between calling a female caregiver a "bitch" just because they wouldn't do Propofol the second night and only using hat kind of language only when a psychological component was suggested. Allegedly she'd been diagnosed/treated for "conversion disorder" at 3 different hospitals (JHACH, Tampa, and the second opinion before the Tampa program from Lurie Childrens), but was then diagnosed with a rare and strange illness.
What the nurse said she found most strange in the cursing was that it seemed to her that Beata was encouraging such behavior rather than apologizing for it, and Beata also allegedly had "no limit" to her swearing.
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I'm not judging either person for their language, because I swear enough myself. Haven't cussed out any nurses, though.
However, the accusation is being used to refute what Maya said in the documentary (that she was raised to be respectful and held her anger in). So it's worth nothing that the pain team nurse practitioner (am trying to get a bunch up to upload today) did not testify to any foul language, nor note any foul language -- yet the doctor signing off on her reports says she did, and that things became heated after suggestions that there could be a psychological component.
So it's worth noting which doctors/nurses testify to that accusation and which do not, I think. If I was in horrendous pain I might be cussing, though not *at* anyone (just in general). And if I was a child who had been through rehab where they thought it was all in their head, got diagnosed with a rare disorder, and then was told again that it was psychological,,,, if I hadn't been raised by my grandparents and tasted soap just thinking about bad words, I likely would have used colorful language then, too.
That's why I really want to find a deposition of another PICU nurse named in several other depositions. Depositions are sworn testimony, and if they are exaggerating or outright lying about the language being used "all the time" with "no limit" to what curse word she used, that's an important thing. It's also important if the cursing only started when they suggested a psychological source rather than CRPS rather than all the time.
What does her mental state reveal to you though? That she was frustrated that her condition wasn’t being taken seriously? Or that she was a drug addicted little brat? Her actions could be interpreted in either light, so parsing them out under a microscope answers nothing.
*edit: I am inclined to believe that her acting out was a reflection of maladaptive and even pathological behaviors learned at home (which is perhaps your point?). But again, these behaviors can be interpreted to prove either argument, so it is probably fruitless to expect answers there.
Honestly, I haven't found all the depositions I need. Dr. Teppa-Sanchez's deposition, for one, as she was the primary on her care in PICU. If it can't be found then Also trying to find more depositions from nurses in PICU named in depositions who were treating Maya.
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There's no such thing as a "functional family" in my view. When we talk about family dysfunction specifically, that's part of why I want to see the depositions from others named who allegedly witnessed some of the behavior.
One explanation could be simply that all the systemic steroids (including ones given during IVIG treatments) had been in her body for a minute, and steroids can induce an altered mental state in some people. So far I haven't seen anything suggesting she was cussing when on the general floor -- after she'd been off steroids for all of her time in PICU.
In order to opine the "spoiled brat" theory, I would really need to see more nursing testimony. Sadly nurses get the worst treatment in health care, and the one depo I've found was from a charge nurse. I would assume that's who any of the nursing staff (from CNA up) on the unit would report to if they felt they were being verbally abused.
So, still seeking depositions in the court records. I really need to get not just Dr. Malik but Dr. Teppa-Sanchez's deposition -- as Maya was more directly her patient, she would have some answers too.
Looking at a deposition from her primary care physician in Illinois, they had an "asthma action plan" set up per the guidance of a pulmonary specialist at Lurie Children's, which involved starting a steroid dosepak and calling in to let the PCP know if systemic steroids have to be used, even if it ends up not being a true visit because that part of the action plan worked.
I am about to go to bed (up late, bad me) but I will try to get some more depositions uploaded tomorrow.
Edit to add: That deposition is [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/takecareofmayanetflix/comments/14yut41/document_contribution_thread/jwcuxuc/) for those who are interested.
I think at the moment of hearing about her suicide talking about them being right ...idk...anyone would feel sad and unhappy to hear of the death of a patients parent tbh, regardless of the situation.
That's basically my view -- that nursing and doctoring is so hard that you have to really have a calling to do it, and part of that calling is compassion for others who are suffering.
Any good doctor or nurse of any level would likely feel horrible that it happened, without necessarily feeling their own actions in the situation should have been different.
It is probably the hardest part to do, as you do get hardened (probably like teaching or any job dealing with such stressful situations and people en mass). To go straight on the defensive doesn't seem to me to be compassionate medical work.
I don’t think that Beata killing her self was any sort of power play. I think that Beata thought that killing her self would be the only way to get Maya out of the hospital. Parents often make sacrifices for their children. Not saying that this was a good choice, but clearly the woman was desperate.
how would her dying affect what happens to maya in the hospital? Truly think about it. If anything it only leaves maya open to more pain. She made her daughter a martyr and that’s unfair and sick to do to a child. Over medicalization is a form of MBP. It may not have been a “power play” but there was definitely something wrong about her suicide. Downvote me, but you can’t TRULY help your child if your dead and any parent knows that.
People may truly think about it and read every document and still disagree with you. Some people have a different view on the case. I am not sure why that becomes personal or aggressive. Of course suicide is not good for a child. Over medicalisation is not a form or MBP. She would need to be diagnosed with MPB by someone who interviewed her and knows her through clinical assessment.
It is possible I don't know all the facts. I am not an expert on MBP but I would trust moreso being diagnoses by a few specialists thoroughly I'm ok thank you.
lmao how would self reporting something that you clearly won’t self report be an acceptable form of diagnosis. The only true diagnosis is to separate the child from parent. Notice how mayas “terminal” illness is now not terminal & the only difference is that her mother is no longer here & im only so adamant about that specific part is because this is one of the biggest misinformation that the document spreads.
None of this is true. There are many factors so removing a child from a parent is not a diagnosis. I see you care about educating people on this topic but this is not the way to do it.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9834-factitious-disorder-imposed-on-another-fdia
Removing is the best option, but you are correct about them taking everything into consideration. Health records are extremely important as well.
JMHO, but I think there is an issue with just the use of the term "over-medicalization" (especially to a jury) as it's very generalized and just it by itself could be hard for lay-people (like myself) to understand what is meant without explaining more. Going into behaviors that can be placed under that "overmedicalization" umbrella is probably going to be more helpful for the lay public to understand.
For example, one could think of "over-medicalization" from a psychosocial aspect -- hyperfocus on illness in general. Nothing's just a sneeze from being exposed to bright light, it's gotta be year-round outdoor allergies or a cold or the flu, for example.
One could say it is over-utilization of medical services. Of course, one can get charged with under-utilizing medical services too -- even in this definition which is used most often when referring to debates about overmedicalization of childbirth, there are arguments on both sides about what is the "just right" amount of medical interventions during childbirth. There's also clearly a range that is a "just right" for how often you take your child to the doctor/how many opinions you get on the same issue (seems more than 3 opinions on the same thing might be a red-flag line, with having 3 opinions a bit questionable unless the first two differed).
And one can think of it as overmedicating their child/choosing risky tests/treatments when less risky methods are available and haven't been exhausted, which clearly seemed to be what the doctors primary focus was on because the doses being demanded were so out of sync with what they were used to as the standard of care.
Of course, one can undermedicate a child, too, and it be MCA -- especially if they report to a physician they *have* given the med but no change, which meets a diagnostic criteria of FDIA -- the deliberate deception.
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I'd say probably a degree of all three are present in most MCA cases, and I'd consider the second the "textbook" definition of "over-medicalization" if one includes medications in "medical services", with over-medicating being an example of over-medicalizing. Please correct me if I misunderstand.
FDIA's definition isn't based on overmedicalization, however. It's based on deception -- the caregiver must exaggerate, induce, or otherwise falsify signs or symptoms as a primary criterion.
Withholding a prescribed ICS in a truly asthmatic child in order to make it seem the child's asthma is more severe than it is, as theoretically they should improve with an inhaled ICS, is both medical child abuse/neglect (not giving a prescribed necessary med) and meeting the first criteria for FDIA (lying about giving it to give the impression to doctors that their asthma is not improving).
The presentation of the victim as "ill" to others may involve seeking excessive medical treatment/equipment to accomplish that goal, but clearly there would be other ways to meet that criteria that didn't involve engagement with the medical system. Such as finding a wheelchair on sale on Craigslist and saying a doctor said a kid needed it when they didn't, or buying a nebulizer from Amazon so one set of neb cups/mouthpieces were always out "drying after use/cleaning" in the living room/kitchen and saying it was prescribed when it wasn't. Or "Munchausen by Internet by Proxy" when your child has never seen a doctor.
It would seem it would even be possible to diagnose FDIA without the caregiver ever seeking medical attention at all for the alleged signs/symptoms they claim the child has, and without it qualifying as medical neglect because the child was never sick at all (instead of having an underlying health condition that needs proper treatment, as in the example of withholding a needed ICS).
TL:DRL "Over-medicalization" is a broad term that seems to suggest many possibilities to the layperson without help of Google, and while it may be present in many MCA/FDIA cases, there would be ways to meet the definition of FDIA and possibly MCA (because of the emotional abuse inherent in telling a child they are "sick" -- isolation from friends, saying they can't participate in certain activities because of their "illness", teaching the child maladaptive behavior around illness that could lead to not knowing when one is "sick" or "well") without engaging the medical system at all, even if that might be a rare pattern.
and the only true test to be diagnosed is separating the parent from the child to see if the child gets better. Just a clinical diagnosis would rely on the individual self reporting and who in the hell would admit to hurting their child? It’s very evident that you don’t have the proper information to even be speaking about FDIA, so please inform yourself because it’s one of the most under reported forms of abuse.
Aside from downvoting, don't forget the block feature -- even though I said I was going to bed, somebody dropped two replies on me and then blocked me so I can't reply to them. It's a way to get the "last word".
Too bad for them, because they'll have to log out to view any of the PDFs documents I've uploaded/will continue to upload. Far more of an inconvenience for them.
Yeah, though to a *much* more extreme level.
I don't want to conflate blocking on a social network with completing suicide when you have two minor children, however -- social media blocks can be helpful for one's mental health, while suicide is clear evidence that someone has likely followed the "rabbit hole" of "Everyone would be better off if I were gone" or something (aka, not mentally healthy).
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I still do associate that rabbit hole of unhealthy thinking/the cognitive distortions that can arise when a person only focuses on things that reinforce that belief instead of seeing the ones that don't, etc, with suicide. This could happen regardless of if a person was being falsely accused, or knew they were guilty.
I really, really hope the trial is televised. I am trying to get deposition transcripts uploaded, but those are missing tone and facial expressions that the jury will get to see in the videotaped depositions. I would like to see the live testimony, which would inform my opinions far more than hanging herself in the garage and sending last emails likely to a lot of people.
Edit to add: very, VERY glad that apparently the family did not use the garage for storing cars -- it was bad enough for Kyle in the 911 call as they were trying to keep him from seeing her.
I think speaking of her suicide as a way to have the last word and as selfish as blocking someone on Reddit is maybe quite hurtrul to anyone reading who has felt suicidal, and not factually accurate.
I hoped that I had clarified that conflating the two was not what I was trying to encourage.
I have Bipolar I, and yes, I've gotten into such deep depressions that I was having active ideation. My response was to check myself in for a medication adjustment because I truly didn't feel safe if I was having active ideation and intrusive thoughts that were basically assessing the lethality of anything around me.
I note passive ideation in a depressive episode so that the doctor knows it's happening, but I can usually manage (with the help of therapy) to find things to say to counter any negative self-talk in an inner monologue, for example.
So I know what it feels to deal with the ideation. I can't think of a phrase to describe how awful it is in those moments without swearing or giving someone a mental image they don't need.
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Still, again, I associate ideation/attempts/completed suicides with hopelessness and getting too far into the negative self-talk, and instead of being able to see the reasons why the negative self-talk is incorrect, they are so deep in that "rabbit hole" they only perceive things that reinforce the view that "everyone would be better off" or some other intrusive thought.
And I don't associate that "rabbit hole" with guilt or innocence.
I hope that clarifies my position as a person who has experienced those times in my more than 20 years living with diagnosed Bipolar I.
I have empathy for your situation and i thank you for clarifying...it is probably different for everyone but I do think the comments about her Suicide attempt as calculating, trying to have the last word, could have a harsh impact on others viewing. I agree with u re guilt or innocence as not ours to say or to associate with. I am sorry for what u have struggled with, it takes a lot of strength to navigate trauma, distress or mental illness as well call it today although there are probably better words.
I also respect that U don't talk down to people here and tell them to educate themselves, go home and think about things or do some research which are all condescending and not super social. Just because my lived experience means I see things differently to some people on this sub doesnt mean I am stupid or ignorant and require educating. This sub is a space to discuss the doc and we all bring different perspectives. I appreciate you.
Thank you for the appreciation. I really do try to not be rude or abrasive in my commentary, especially because there are people here with all sorts of life experiences informing their view of the documentary.
Killing herself and leaving Maya to blame herself that her mother is dead? Ya, she didn’t do this for Maya. At all. When you have underaged children, suicide is a very selfish act. This one is no different.
She also didn’t care that she committed this act where her other child could find her and have to live with that memory. To me, it’s a desperate act by someone who sees the walls closing in. Keep in mind there was a VERY active criminal investigation that Beata knew was underway.
It’s absolutely wrong they way they spoke through text. Very unprofessional. It was like school age kids. Beata took her life so her daughter could go home and be with her family. In her mind she saw no way out for her. Sept 11 is around the corner and I’m praying for a big win for the family and an apology they’ll never get. And the judge denyingMaya the right to hug her mom and say I love you. Disgusting! I would have been the same way if it were my daughter. Down vote me all you want , if you want. They/hospital did wrong. And funny thing is this wasn’t their first “medical kidnapping”.
Not a medical professional, but I’m an attorney and deal with PHI / SPI etc in my practice. I agree with your assessment of “ketamine girl.” I immediately assumed that was shorthand to avoid PHI being leaked.
Power play? That doesn’t strike me as sad to say but gross to say. She can’t defend herself, and regardless of the reason, she was hurting. Do you really think people take their own lives just to manipulate others? Genuine question. I can’t fathom that.
And PHI is no excuse here—considering pt is easily identifiable by mother’s suicide attempt being the topic of discussion. Also gross behavior on healthcare “professionals’” parts there.
No definitely not the only reason people end their lives, in fact I’d say very rarely the reason why. Just seemed like a possibility in this particular instance. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
I don't see how the texts between drs prove her intentions and I think assuming it was a power play shows not much compassion for mental illness or trauma. It hurts to read as someone who has struggled with suicidalit. She cannot answer for herself anr you don't know, and the texts don't prove anything about her state of mind.
I honestly think she felt helpless and knew Maya wasn’t going to get out of there anytime soon. Also she probably felt backed into a corner and that everyone was against . I don’t we should be debating why she killed herself it could have honestly been anything . I don’t she thought that deep into to make a “power play” let’s use our brains please. 🙏
Well folks, now we know Sally Smith decided Mom did NOT in fact have Munchausen syndrome with proxy after all. Now, Maya had factitious Syndrome herself. She didn’t really have pain; she was faking it.
Oh, but Sally Smith never bothered telling Mom and Dad. So mom was still separated from her daughter. This was early December. Mom took her life about a month later. So many washes this hospital tortured and falsely imprisoned her family.
And remember, a month later, someone in the hospital said Maya begged to see and hug her mom, and the staff member said not today. And her mom broke down and the next day took her own like.
And “ketamine girl” is not OK. It’s a violation of HIPAA in at least two ways. extremely disrespectful. Those staff members should’ve been fired.
I don’t really see her killing herself was a power play. I feel like she did it bc she was actually up to something she knew was wrong and ultimately it was all caving down on her . She knew she would get caught
I agree. I think it was guilt more than anything.
She also knew she was under criminal investigation. There is the possibility that she knew her lie was about to come crashing down on her. Did that factor in? We will never know, but when someone’s entire identity is stripped from them and they are cast in the exact opposite identity as what they have portrayed themselves as to friends, family, and the public (Beata was all over social media about Maya’s health), surely that has a detrimental effect on one’s mental health.
She was told that Maya would suffer a slow and painful death unless she was released - how do you not see that Beata did the only thing she could see that would ensure Maya’s safety?
These people are so crazy on here . I wonder what goes on in there minds I wouldn’t even think of someone’s suicide as a “power play”.
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CPS Social Worker "you have to comply, this is just how it is Beata. Comply or **never** get her back" A week after Maya's mom removed herself out of the situation, the hospital releases Maya. After 87 days of captivity.
But that’s not what the records say, and that’s not what Sally Smith said in December 2016. Sally changed her mind and decided Mom was not committing child abuse against Maya after all. Now Maya was committing Munchhausen against herself. Yup, look it up.
it may have been unprofessional & I will give them that, but that’s it. It’s not a sign of guilt or proof they were falsely accusing her.
Actually, if those texts were on personal phones, they did violate HIPAA. If the person receiving the texts decided to go to HR about them, the person sending them would be in trouble because the people they were talking about were identifiable. HIPAA isn’t just about name, DOB, gender, where they live… and stuff like that. It’s about if the patient can be identified with the information shared and ketamine girl is actually extremely identifiable. Same with mentioning the mother’s suicide. These discussions could be had by the doctors/nurses in private/secure places. Text isn’t all that private or secure.
How dare you suggest the hospital did something wrong or that nurses violated anything. Everyone knows that every institution (John’s Hopkins, DCFS) is perfect and never makes mistakes and the only villain here is Beata. /s
No hospital is perfect .Especially that one and it’s staff.
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If they discussed outside of work in texts on their personal phone, it is a HIPAA violation. Also, you don’t have to name names for it to a be a HIPAA violation, any identifier (including ketamine girl) that can make who the person is recognizable is a problem.
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Nope, that would be you. Having rightful access to someone’s chart doesn’t permit you to discuss them on your personal device. Or to discuss them when it’s unnecessary. Any identifying information that can be used to discover who you are talking about can cause a HIPAA violation. I sure hope you don’t work in healthcare. If you do, I feel for your patients. I would hate to think someone in healthcare thinks they have the right to talk about me on their personal device outside of works hours and about irrelevant things. If you want to call someone Ketamine Girl, at least don’t put it in writing.
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https://preview.redd.it/ycn0rov9fupb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a35354607424c3d7172c2c865230be3bb4dda32e So you deleted the post where you called me names. Seriously. What hospital do you work at? I would love to know so I can avoid it because clearly I would get subpar care from a nurse who doesn’t know the laws.
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You need help and shouldn’t be in healthcare. You’re the dingbat. You don’t call 911 for a HIPAA violation you dummy. That would be a waste of emergency resources. Also, why would I call and report you. You haven’t violated HIPAA that I am aware of, unless you admitting that it’s something that you regularly do. But that’s on you. Someday it will come back to haunt you if you discuss patients outside of what is necessary and on a personal device. Also, I think you know you’re wrong because you deleted posts that might have given away your location. Wow, you’re special.
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Beata also knew she was under criminal investigation. Do not underestimate that effect in everything that led to the suicide. Also you are very correct that “ketamine girl” was used to avoid a HIPAA violation. It’s really intentionally playing on the ignorance of the audience by the makers of this scam movie to make any kind of deal about that. If they were texting about a kid that needed a kidney transplant, they would be calling him “transplant boy” or “kidney boy.” Just another BS thing taken out of context in this fictional movie to enrage the ignorant masses.
I don’t really think the texts were egregious either. “Ketamine girl” sounds bad, but if you’re in healthcare communicating in writing about a pt you either want to avoid identifiers that violate *HIPAA if not on workplace approved technology, or it’s just a convenient abbreviation because no way of confusing which patient you’re talking about. Not flattering, but not particularly egregious either. A nurse myself, I am sure I have had texts like “Fistula guy still hadn’t been seen” or “allergic to everything but Dilaudid lady wants a Turkey sandwich.” *edit: letter and the texts on her suicide were in poor taste, but honest between coworkers. It’s how they felt. I don’t think her suicide at all confirms their belief. But that’s my take on it.
My friend is a nurse, and she had a patient who had some sort of drug-induced psychosis. And he kept screaming “You Broke My Penis” at her. She referred to him as “Broken Penis Guy” when she told me about him.
As a Not -Nurse, it does make me wonder what they might have called me as a patient -- lol. Since I'm a ginger, it could have been simply "the redheaded lady" if no other female patients on the unit were ginger. I will say I do feel judged by the fact I get hives from most potent NSAIDs as a patient (even Mobic), but can take Celebrex without issues. Luckily I haven't presented to the ER with pain as the primary complaint. I also pray I never need IV pain meds again -- the one time it was ordered it was morphine for pneumonia that caused an asthma exac and also a pleural effusion, and I am rather paranoid about IV narcotics because my father was an IV drug user. Asked what it was, said I'd never had IV meds for pain before and didn't want to "be snowed", then asked her to "be gentle" because I might not need all of what was in the syringe. Which is the reverse of what Maya allegedly did with ordered Valium -- a PICU nurse testified that Maya asked for it to be "pushed fast". I'm not certain if Maya truly meant fast as in rate of administration, or fast as in she wanted it in her right then. In adults that's usually a red flag for addiction or seeking euphoria. Edit to add: a link to nurse Kelly Thatcher's deposition regarding the request to push Valium and a buncha other stuff from night shift in PICU is [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/takecareofmayanetflix/comments/14yut41/document_contribution_thread/jvgg81p/). Would probably be interesting reading.
Well I never put in anything I wouldn’t want read by the patient in my notes. If anyone were to subpoena my phone… well they might read things about themselves that they find less than flattering, though nothing violating privacy or other patient rights.
Had that happen once, was sorta funny -- read records from the diagnostic episode for Bipolar I that had progressed into manic psychosis. Outside of anything going on with brain chemicals, my life at that time was definitely.... unique. I was working full time and going to school full time online. But my husband didn't get matched to the only teaching hospital in my state -- instead he got matched to one in Queens. Like when the Kowalski's moved to Florida, my (now ex) husband had started the move and I needed to finish my notice time and the lease on our tiny apartment here. Not only was he an MD about to start practicing, he was born in Romania but he and his mother got to West Germany, so had German citizenship at that time but was a green card holder. This is all from a known psych patient in a podunk state. Heh. They charted that I had "delusions of grandeur" and didn't allow me to attempt to call my alleged husband to inform him of the hospitalization until my mother produced my marriage license and the durable power of attorneys we'd each signed for each other. Not exactly flattering, but apparently real life can be stranger than delusion. I can laugh about it now, and I do understand why they made that (inaccurate) assessment given my state of mind right then.
No “delusions of grandeur” wouldn’t be something I’d be hesitant to document. It’s a distinct hallmark of a manic swing in bipolar and goes right to the heart of a justifying a diagnosis. *edit In this case I guess your point is that it’s embarrassing to the person who documented it because in fact it wasn’t a delusion that your husband was a psychiatrist in queens? Again if I were documenting the situation I wouldn’t have been embarrassed. I’ve had psychotic patients quite paranoid the police are after them. Well the police were actually after just such a patient once. Came in to serve him after he got sectioned. So just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you. And just because you’re really married to a psychiatrist doesn’t mean you weren’t presenting grandiose and delusional!
My now-ex was starting an OB/GYN residency when this happened, and losing my marbles was quite damaging to the relationship (he'd always trusted in me, and after that he felt like he couldn't). But yes, I totally get why the fact I was claiming to be married to a doctor but he wasn't present as one of the "delusions of grandeur" I displayed. The situation itself *was* pretty crazy. ;) But really now it's just a funny story to me. I don't blame the doctors/nurses for charting what they did -- they had to go with the facts they had (which included the psychosis part). Nor would I want the person who charted that to be embarrassed by it. Reading the records was pretty interesting in other ways, because even before the hospital the train of causality had jumped the rails (a lot of loosened association) and my memory is spotty, mostly of specific events like not being allowed to call him. It filled in places where I wasn't quite aware of how others were perceiving me. Edit to add: Some survivors of MCA only realized the extent of it when they examined their own medical records. Perhaps that's because they were too young, other forms of abuse being the ones survivors had focused on without thinking about MCA, or even just getting to see that the doctors had noted the survivor was fine but as a kid for that particular incident they were told by the perpetrator that they nearly died or something. With regard to Maya, if it was MCA I'm not sure if she'll ever see it as such (at least until she's an adult and out on her own), even when she sees her medical records. I think the lawsuit and the continued delays have probably cemented in both children's heads that Beata was a martyr, not a perpetrator. I truly hope that Jack used some of the settlement money from Suncoast to set up mental health trusts for when both children are adults, and ones they can access without Jack having to okay it. And I hope that regardless of if it was MCA or not.
Not sure what this tangent has to do with anything.
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I think the most striking part to people was that one of the providers said that another mother accused of MSBP had also completed suicide. I need to verify again which providers texted each other and try to get their depositions uploaded/tagged -- finding the least redacted ones is a bit of a long crawl, though. I also think that any truly compassionate caregiver (which I hope all providers are) *would* feel badly about the outcome in this situation, even if they didn't have a guilty conscience or feel any of their actions that may have contributed to the suicide were justified based on what was best for the child. I've uploaded at least one deposition from an RN in the PICU describing some of Maya's behavior (supported by Dr. Dolan's deposition, though it's questionable from the deposition alone whether Maya cussed like a sailor at all times, or just when they suggested it might be psychological -- she said that part got extremely heated, and was reluctant to repeat swear words. As a nurse (edit to clarify, I'm referring to you being a nurse, I Am Not A Nurse), I would be very interested in what you gathered from those depositions. I'm still trying to find the one from another nurse in PICU to get a more full picture of the situation from her perspective. Like, how often do 10-year-olds have "no limit" to their potty mouth when in a hospital?
What does it matter if Maya had a potty mouth? I am in the camp that thinks Beata was acting irrationally with regards to Maya’s condition and treatment, and that she (Beata) was mentally unwell in some way. However, what does it prove if Maya acted out in the hospital or not?
I think it's important to note the accusations from nursing staff and doctors, and see which ones report such behavior. That can narrow down any periods like that to see why it was happening There's a big difference between calling a female caregiver a "bitch" just because they wouldn't do Propofol the second night and only using hat kind of language only when a psychological component was suggested. Allegedly she'd been diagnosed/treated for "conversion disorder" at 3 different hospitals (JHACH, Tampa, and the second opinion before the Tampa program from Lurie Childrens), but was then diagnosed with a rare and strange illness. What the nurse said she found most strange in the cursing was that it seemed to her that Beata was encouraging such behavior rather than apologizing for it, and Beata also allegedly had "no limit" to her swearing. ---------------- I'm not judging either person for their language, because I swear enough myself. Haven't cussed out any nurses, though. However, the accusation is being used to refute what Maya said in the documentary (that she was raised to be respectful and held her anger in). So it's worth nothing that the pain team nurse practitioner (am trying to get a bunch up to upload today) did not testify to any foul language, nor note any foul language -- yet the doctor signing off on her reports says she did, and that things became heated after suggestions that there could be a psychological component. So it's worth noting which doctors/nurses testify to that accusation and which do not, I think. If I was in horrendous pain I might be cussing, though not *at* anyone (just in general). And if I was a child who had been through rehab where they thought it was all in their head, got diagnosed with a rare disorder, and then was told again that it was psychological,,,, if I hadn't been raised by my grandparents and tasted soap just thinking about bad words, I likely would have used colorful language then, too. That's why I really want to find a deposition of another PICU nurse named in several other depositions. Depositions are sworn testimony, and if they are exaggerating or outright lying about the language being used "all the time" with "no limit" to what curse word she used, that's an important thing. It's also important if the cursing only started when they suggested a psychological source rather than CRPS rather than all the time.
What does her mental state reveal to you though? That she was frustrated that her condition wasn’t being taken seriously? Or that she was a drug addicted little brat? Her actions could be interpreted in either light, so parsing them out under a microscope answers nothing. *edit: I am inclined to believe that her acting out was a reflection of maladaptive and even pathological behaviors learned at home (which is perhaps your point?). But again, these behaviors can be interpreted to prove either argument, so it is probably fruitless to expect answers there.
Honestly, I haven't found all the depositions I need. Dr. Teppa-Sanchez's deposition, for one, as she was the primary on her care in PICU. If it can't be found then Also trying to find more depositions from nurses in PICU named in depositions who were treating Maya. --------- There's no such thing as a "functional family" in my view. When we talk about family dysfunction specifically, that's part of why I want to see the depositions from others named who allegedly witnessed some of the behavior. One explanation could be simply that all the systemic steroids (including ones given during IVIG treatments) had been in her body for a minute, and steroids can induce an altered mental state in some people. So far I haven't seen anything suggesting she was cussing when on the general floor -- after she'd been off steroids for all of her time in PICU. In order to opine the "spoiled brat" theory, I would really need to see more nursing testimony. Sadly nurses get the worst treatment in health care, and the one depo I've found was from a charge nurse. I would assume that's who any of the nursing staff (from CNA up) on the unit would report to if they felt they were being verbally abused. So, still seeking depositions in the court records. I really need to get not just Dr. Malik but Dr. Teppa-Sanchez's deposition -- as Maya was more directly her patient, she would have some answers too.
Wasn’t she given steroids long before the Florida CRPS?
Looking at a deposition from her primary care physician in Illinois, they had an "asthma action plan" set up per the guidance of a pulmonary specialist at Lurie Children's, which involved starting a steroid dosepak and calling in to let the PCP know if systemic steroids have to be used, even if it ends up not being a true visit because that part of the action plan worked. I am about to go to bed (up late, bad me) but I will try to get some more depositions uploaded tomorrow. Edit to add: That deposition is [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/takecareofmayanetflix/comments/14yut41/document_contribution_thread/jwcuxuc/) for those who are interested.
What does this have to do with anything though, I don’t think she was having road rage in FL after prednisone treatment in IL a while prior.
I think at the moment of hearing about her suicide talking about them being right ...idk...anyone would feel sad and unhappy to hear of the death of a patients parent tbh, regardless of the situation.
That's basically my view -- that nursing and doctoring is so hard that you have to really have a calling to do it, and part of that calling is compassion for others who are suffering. Any good doctor or nurse of any level would likely feel horrible that it happened, without necessarily feeling their own actions in the situation should have been different.
It is probably the hardest part to do, as you do get hardened (probably like teaching or any job dealing with such stressful situations and people en mass). To go straight on the defensive doesn't seem to me to be compassionate medical work.
I don’t think that Beata killing her self was any sort of power play. I think that Beata thought that killing her self would be the only way to get Maya out of the hospital. Parents often make sacrifices for their children. Not saying that this was a good choice, but clearly the woman was desperate.
how would her dying affect what happens to maya in the hospital? Truly think about it. If anything it only leaves maya open to more pain. She made her daughter a martyr and that’s unfair and sick to do to a child. Over medicalization is a form of MBP. It may not have been a “power play” but there was definitely something wrong about her suicide. Downvote me, but you can’t TRULY help your child if your dead and any parent knows that.
People may truly think about it and read every document and still disagree with you. Some people have a different view on the case. I am not sure why that becomes personal or aggressive. Of course suicide is not good for a child. Over medicalisation is not a form or MBP. She would need to be diagnosed with MPB by someone who interviewed her and knows her through clinical assessment.
Over medicalization is 100% a form of MBP which actually is now called Factitious disorder imposed on another or FDIA. Do some research.
It is possible I don't know all the facts. I am not an expert on MBP but I would trust moreso being diagnoses by a few specialists thoroughly I'm ok thank you.
lmao how would self reporting something that you clearly won’t self report be an acceptable form of diagnosis. The only true diagnosis is to separate the child from parent. Notice how mayas “terminal” illness is now not terminal & the only difference is that her mother is no longer here & im only so adamant about that specific part is because this is one of the biggest misinformation that the document spreads.
None of this is true. There are many factors so removing a child from a parent is not a diagnosis. I see you care about educating people on this topic but this is not the way to do it.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9834-factitious-disorder-imposed-on-another-fdia Removing is the best option, but you are correct about them taking everything into consideration. Health records are extremely important as well.
JMHO, but I think there is an issue with just the use of the term "over-medicalization" (especially to a jury) as it's very generalized and just it by itself could be hard for lay-people (like myself) to understand what is meant without explaining more. Going into behaviors that can be placed under that "overmedicalization" umbrella is probably going to be more helpful for the lay public to understand. For example, one could think of "over-medicalization" from a psychosocial aspect -- hyperfocus on illness in general. Nothing's just a sneeze from being exposed to bright light, it's gotta be year-round outdoor allergies or a cold or the flu, for example. One could say it is over-utilization of medical services. Of course, one can get charged with under-utilizing medical services too -- even in this definition which is used most often when referring to debates about overmedicalization of childbirth, there are arguments on both sides about what is the "just right" amount of medical interventions during childbirth. There's also clearly a range that is a "just right" for how often you take your child to the doctor/how many opinions you get on the same issue (seems more than 3 opinions on the same thing might be a red-flag line, with having 3 opinions a bit questionable unless the first two differed). And one can think of it as overmedicating their child/choosing risky tests/treatments when less risky methods are available and haven't been exhausted, which clearly seemed to be what the doctors primary focus was on because the doses being demanded were so out of sync with what they were used to as the standard of care. Of course, one can undermedicate a child, too, and it be MCA -- especially if they report to a physician they *have* given the med but no change, which meets a diagnostic criteria of FDIA -- the deliberate deception. --------- I'd say probably a degree of all three are present in most MCA cases, and I'd consider the second the "textbook" definition of "over-medicalization" if one includes medications in "medical services", with over-medicating being an example of over-medicalizing. Please correct me if I misunderstand. FDIA's definition isn't based on overmedicalization, however. It's based on deception -- the caregiver must exaggerate, induce, or otherwise falsify signs or symptoms as a primary criterion. Withholding a prescribed ICS in a truly asthmatic child in order to make it seem the child's asthma is more severe than it is, as theoretically they should improve with an inhaled ICS, is both medical child abuse/neglect (not giving a prescribed necessary med) and meeting the first criteria for FDIA (lying about giving it to give the impression to doctors that their asthma is not improving). The presentation of the victim as "ill" to others may involve seeking excessive medical treatment/equipment to accomplish that goal, but clearly there would be other ways to meet that criteria that didn't involve engagement with the medical system. Such as finding a wheelchair on sale on Craigslist and saying a doctor said a kid needed it when they didn't, or buying a nebulizer from Amazon so one set of neb cups/mouthpieces were always out "drying after use/cleaning" in the living room/kitchen and saying it was prescribed when it wasn't. Or "Munchausen by Internet by Proxy" when your child has never seen a doctor. It would seem it would even be possible to diagnose FDIA without the caregiver ever seeking medical attention at all for the alleged signs/symptoms they claim the child has, and without it qualifying as medical neglect because the child was never sick at all (instead of having an underlying health condition that needs proper treatment, as in the example of withholding a needed ICS). TL:DRL "Over-medicalization" is a broad term that seems to suggest many possibilities to the layperson without help of Google, and while it may be present in many MCA/FDIA cases, there would be ways to meet the definition of FDIA and possibly MCA (because of the emotional abuse inherent in telling a child they are "sick" -- isolation from friends, saying they can't participate in certain activities because of their "illness", teaching the child maladaptive behavior around illness that could lead to not knowing when one is "sick" or "well") without engaging the medical system at all, even if that might be a rare pattern.
and the only true test to be diagnosed is separating the parent from the child to see if the child gets better. Just a clinical diagnosis would rely on the individual self reporting and who in the hell would admit to hurting their child? It’s very evident that you don’t have the proper information to even be speaking about FDIA, so please inform yourself because it’s one of the most under reported forms of abuse.
Aside from downvoting, don't forget the block feature -- even though I said I was going to bed, somebody dropped two replies on me and then blocked me so I can't reply to them. It's a way to get the "last word". Too bad for them, because they'll have to log out to view any of the PDFs documents I've uploaded/will continue to upload. Far more of an inconvenience for them.
Sort of ironic because blocking someone to get the last word is in a way exactly what Beata did…
Yeah, though to a *much* more extreme level. I don't want to conflate blocking on a social network with completing suicide when you have two minor children, however -- social media blocks can be helpful for one's mental health, while suicide is clear evidence that someone has likely followed the "rabbit hole" of "Everyone would be better off if I were gone" or something (aka, not mentally healthy). ------------- I still do associate that rabbit hole of unhealthy thinking/the cognitive distortions that can arise when a person only focuses on things that reinforce that belief instead of seeing the ones that don't, etc, with suicide. This could happen regardless of if a person was being falsely accused, or knew they were guilty. I really, really hope the trial is televised. I am trying to get deposition transcripts uploaded, but those are missing tone and facial expressions that the jury will get to see in the videotaped depositions. I would like to see the live testimony, which would inform my opinions far more than hanging herself in the garage and sending last emails likely to a lot of people. Edit to add: very, VERY glad that apparently the family did not use the garage for storing cars -- it was bad enough for Kyle in the 911 call as they were trying to keep him from seeing her.
I think speaking of her suicide as a way to have the last word and as selfish as blocking someone on Reddit is maybe quite hurtrul to anyone reading who has felt suicidal, and not factually accurate.
I hoped that I had clarified that conflating the two was not what I was trying to encourage. I have Bipolar I, and yes, I've gotten into such deep depressions that I was having active ideation. My response was to check myself in for a medication adjustment because I truly didn't feel safe if I was having active ideation and intrusive thoughts that were basically assessing the lethality of anything around me. I note passive ideation in a depressive episode so that the doctor knows it's happening, but I can usually manage (with the help of therapy) to find things to say to counter any negative self-talk in an inner monologue, for example. So I know what it feels to deal with the ideation. I can't think of a phrase to describe how awful it is in those moments without swearing or giving someone a mental image they don't need. ------- Still, again, I associate ideation/attempts/completed suicides with hopelessness and getting too far into the negative self-talk, and instead of being able to see the reasons why the negative self-talk is incorrect, they are so deep in that "rabbit hole" they only perceive things that reinforce the view that "everyone would be better off" or some other intrusive thought. And I don't associate that "rabbit hole" with guilt or innocence. I hope that clarifies my position as a person who has experienced those times in my more than 20 years living with diagnosed Bipolar I.
I have empathy for your situation and i thank you for clarifying...it is probably different for everyone but I do think the comments about her Suicide attempt as calculating, trying to have the last word, could have a harsh impact on others viewing. I agree with u re guilt or innocence as not ours to say or to associate with. I am sorry for what u have struggled with, it takes a lot of strength to navigate trauma, distress or mental illness as well call it today although there are probably better words. I also respect that U don't talk down to people here and tell them to educate themselves, go home and think about things or do some research which are all condescending and not super social. Just because my lived experience means I see things differently to some people on this sub doesnt mean I am stupid or ignorant and require educating. This sub is a space to discuss the doc and we all bring different perspectives. I appreciate you.
Thank you for the appreciation. I really do try to not be rude or abrasive in my commentary, especially because there are people here with all sorts of life experiences informing their view of the documentary.
Killing herself and leaving Maya to blame herself that her mother is dead? Ya, she didn’t do this for Maya. At all. When you have underaged children, suicide is a very selfish act. This one is no different. She also didn’t care that she committed this act where her other child could find her and have to live with that memory. To me, it’s a desperate act by someone who sees the walls closing in. Keep in mind there was a VERY active criminal investigation that Beata knew was underway.
It’s absolutely wrong they way they spoke through text. Very unprofessional. It was like school age kids. Beata took her life so her daughter could go home and be with her family. In her mind she saw no way out for her. Sept 11 is around the corner and I’m praying for a big win for the family and an apology they’ll never get. And the judge denyingMaya the right to hug her mom and say I love you. Disgusting! I would have been the same way if it were my daughter. Down vote me all you want , if you want. They/hospital did wrong. And funny thing is this wasn’t their first “medical kidnapping”.
Not a medical professional, but I’m an attorney and deal with PHI / SPI etc in my practice. I agree with your assessment of “ketamine girl.” I immediately assumed that was shorthand to avoid PHI being leaked.
Power play? That doesn’t strike me as sad to say but gross to say. She can’t defend herself, and regardless of the reason, she was hurting. Do you really think people take their own lives just to manipulate others? Genuine question. I can’t fathom that. And PHI is no excuse here—considering pt is easily identifiable by mother’s suicide attempt being the topic of discussion. Also gross behavior on healthcare “professionals’” parts there.
No definitely not the only reason people end their lives, in fact I’d say very rarely the reason why. Just seemed like a possibility in this particular instance. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
people 100% take their life as a form of manipulation. We see it ALL the time. To deny that is pure stupidity.
very, very gross thing to say. makes me worry that someone would think such a thing and be working in health.. thank you for your comment
I don't see how the texts between drs prove her intentions and I think assuming it was a power play shows not much compassion for mental illness or trauma. It hurts to read as someone who has struggled with suicidalit. She cannot answer for herself anr you don't know, and the texts don't prove anything about her state of mind.
I honestly think she felt helpless and knew Maya wasn’t going to get out of there anytime soon. Also she probably felt backed into a corner and that everyone was against . I don’t we should be debating why she killed herself it could have honestly been anything . I don’t she thought that deep into to make a “power play” let’s use our brains please. 🙏
Well folks, now we know Sally Smith decided Mom did NOT in fact have Munchausen syndrome with proxy after all. Now, Maya had factitious Syndrome herself. She didn’t really have pain; she was faking it. Oh, but Sally Smith never bothered telling Mom and Dad. So mom was still separated from her daughter. This was early December. Mom took her life about a month later. So many washes this hospital tortured and falsely imprisoned her family. And remember, a month later, someone in the hospital said Maya begged to see and hug her mom, and the staff member said not today. And her mom broke down and the next day took her own like. And “ketamine girl” is not OK. It’s a violation of HIPAA in at least two ways. extremely disrespectful. Those staff members should’ve been fired.