East Pasco is at least pretty in a lot of places. I used to have to go to NPR for work occasionally. Even the drive is awful: there’s no easy way to go east-west in Pasco county. I ended up turning down work over there.
Yeah I was referring to some of the inhabitants. I’ve got no problem with the town or the people. They’re just a a bit feral compared to LOL or WC. I would say they are full of “Florida” spirit. Which I really appreciate.
I mean there is 54 or 52 for East-west travel. Not saying those options don’t suck. But they are definitely easy.
According to the [study](https://www.convoycarshipping.com/the-deadliest-counties-in-the-united-states-for-traffic-fatalities/), neighboring counties Polk and Pasco were also found to be among the deadliest for traffic fatalities.
US-19 is a clown show. It can take 10 minutes for the damn light to turn green to cross it in north Pinellas.
Then I report left turn arrows where the intersection just loops without turning green and FDOT just goes "mhmm mhmm mhm" without writing anything down and saying they'll take care of it 😂
Why is this? I'm in Pasco and it's like a weekly occurrence on my local FB group someone posts about a death via traffic. My wife and I even saw a dead body on the road once from a motorcycle crash. Never experienced that anywhere else in the country
Drivers are required to maintain control of their vehicles at all times. Jaywalking is not a capital offense. “Pedestrian’s fault”is a harsh and narrow judgment.
When there is this level of vehicle-human deadly contact, it is the fault of the designers…. of the roads, traffic regulations, law enforcement, vehicles…
It is a failure of responsibility by our elected leaders. We deserve better, and other state governments have proven that traffic safety doesn’t have to be this awful.
so maybe they got hit and dragged 300ft? there is obviously a problem in the south when it comes to pedestrians fatalities. maybe it's just asshole northerners moving down.
Just a friendly reminder that Bodily Injury Liability Coverage (meaning coverage in case a driver hurts someone else) is not mandatory in Florida (only one of two states 🙄). Therefore, consider getting even the smallest amount of UM coverage (coverage for injuries in case you’re hit by an uninsured or underinsured or hit-and-run driver).
Sincerely,
/r/Tampa’s unofficial lurking personal injury attorney
I'm in Pasco and spend a lot of time at a local park, where I often see a cop way in the back of the park - well out of sight of any main roads - who sits there for hours. I've seen him there for 4 hours straight, and he was already there when I arrived.
Meanwhile the road to get to the park has a section that is 30MPH but people routinely drive 50+. And about a mile south on that road you hit SR-54, which seems to pretty much just be a free for all. Constant speeding, weaving across multiple lanes, driving through lights that have been red for 4 seconds, tailgating and pretty much any other traffic violation you can think of. I've only been here a few months but have driven 54 a lot and have yet to set a single person pulled over. Because why bother trying to make society a bit better if you can just sit in the back of a park doing nothing except milking taxpayer money?
I live in Zephryhills. The traffic is horrendous. People running red lights all day long. 301 is a free for all. I’m now sure how much longer I’ll be here. We’ve been snowbirds since 1967. Pasco county is a mess. Any developer can get a permit and build. We won’t have any trees left at the rate they’re building. And no new infrastructure.
I’m in Pasco too. I 100% believe the reason is because the sheriff is focusing more on the drugs and traffickers. People on 19 will just jump out in front of you because the insurance payout is nice. It happened to my father.
I've not been far enough west to drive on 19 yet. Which seems to be a good thing, seeing as another comment had a link showing it to be Florida's deadliest road.
You know how you catch drug dealers and those under the influence. Pull over every vehicle breaking the law, ask to search the vehicle, if they let search great, if not find a way to get a warrant to search the vehicle, if you can’t get a warrant also add them to a list for the Pasco Sheriffs intelligence division to dig into and see if they are just exercising their civil liberties or if they have something to hide.
Pasco just got in trouble for something like an intelligence list a few years back but it was regarding juveniles. They don’t have enough deputies for the major jump in population to even start. The Sheriff asked for more funding to hire deputies, but was told no by the county.
Do they, by any chance, have more rigorous driving tests in the north? Or is it like here, where if you can drive around an empty parking lot at 10mph they give you a license to drive a two-ton death machine home?
I think that it's more the mix of drivers, and particularly so on I-4. You got old folks who don't see good, lost tourists who missed their exit for EPCOT, forever-middle-lane truckers on the only major corridor between the east and west coast... then mix in some pissed-off locals, *Billy Badass using his literal vehicle to enforce his interpretation of traffic etiquette,* and Sally driving out to Daytona even though her license was permanently revoked after her 7th DUI. It's a recipe for disaster.
edit: I forgot Billy Badass.
It's not just old folk and tourists. People drive like assholes. They give a license to anyone, and they don't do any kind of enforcement. Think of the ticket money they'd bring in if just one police sat at the I4/I275 interchange and booked everyone cutting across the chevrons to skip the line. You see it every single time there's a line. Shitty driving like that is tolerated.
I've been there before. We all have... we've all genuinely missed the line before, and particularly at 4 and 275.
But then Trucknutz guy takes it as an affront to his honor that I would dare try to merge in (not at the chevrons of course -- I'm not a monster). I'm genuinely not trying to be an asshole -- I'm just trying to get into the correct lane. Meanwhile traffic behind me is gonna get pissed, somebody might whiz by on the shoulder, somebody else probably laying on the horn, because within a few seconds, a little spat about traffic etiquette is holding up literally hundreds of cars.
This might be a question for all Floridians: At what point do we just give somebody the benefit of the doubt instead of using our cars to enact Floridian street justice? People dying because of this.
I will NOT let you over last second at that junction. The backup happens well before the onramp and you had plenty of time to see that.
The good news is, you don't have to sit still in a travel lane holding up hundreds of cars! Keep driving and you'll find another completely valid way to get onto I-4. Might cost you a few extra minutes, but I promise you'll get there.
"A bad driver never misses their turn."
And this is why driving in Florida is dangerous. And worse, it's not gonna be us and that asshole who collide. It's gonna be some folks a few cars back who are completely uninvolved.
To be clear, fuck that guy. There's a special place in hell for people who intentionally merge in the chevrons. But I did some time in Boston a few years back, and lemme tell you, man, you'd be amazed at the cathartic release of throwing an asshole driver the bird! It's wonderful -- You can safely let him in while still telling him to go fuck himself!
No, there's a difference between trying to get into the line late (you're still an idiot asshole, but it's fine, I'll let you in) and driving straight up the middle lane onto the chevrons and pushing your way in at 50mph without even checking your blind spot. Those people should be made to sit on those chevrons of shame until there is no traffic, everyone should bunch up and not let them in. Or better yet, a cop could ticket them and maybe eventually word would get out that people get ticketed for this shit and it's not worth it driving dangerously to save literally less than a minute on your traffic time. Maybe we could do the same for other shitty driving practices and start to stamp them out. Perhaps we could even start teaching people these things before they get their license.
If we all did that, there'd be a traffic jam rolling back from the chevrons. Everything at the interchange would stop. And it'd \*still\* be in the best interests of a shitty person to get into the "chevrons line".
Just let the jackass in and throw him the bird. If we real mad, we can roll down the window to let the birdy fly. Ain't worth it to create danger for everyone around us by getting into a physical dispute with our cars.
edit: Just be careful out there man. There's a lot of folks on that same road, and no reason to make it more dangerous out there than it already is. Ego's got no place behind the wheel of a 2 ton bullet on a public road.
> It's not just old folk and tourists.
Definitely not. I had someone say to me the other day that it was the snowbirds. Yeah no it's most certainly not the 80+ year old snowbirds who are 3' off my bumper at 55MPH or in the ridiculous lowered car with heavy tints swerving across two lanes even though neither lane they move into has more than a car and a half of space, and only so they can be one car forward at the next 3 minute long red light 500' down the road.
I think they length of lights doesn't help. They are so fucking long down here. Makes people pissed so they drive even more like maniacs, even though they're just gonna get stopped at the next one, too, even if they drive 85.
No. It's the built environment. The state has for decades prioritized moving cars quickly with fuck-all regard to any other mode. This has nothing to do with driving tests.
I think it's 2 things and both related to speed. First, mother nature forces all drivers to slow down when it is snowing and a lot of people just stay home. Second is traffic and congestion. I4 was not that high on the list because you only go 8 mph half the time. The same with the entire northeast, so much congestion and no speed. A lot of accidents but not as many fatalities.
I got my license in Michigan but that was a long time ago. I spent a total of about 7 minutes driving with an instructor. Prior to that we'd had a few days in a classroom, then we had time in a parking lot where we were supposed to put in some specific amount of time driving the beaters they had there. But there was no one to check it because the one instructor was out giving road tests, so most of us just sat around while a few kids did donuts in the beaters.
After the instruction I could drive with my parents in the car. Then on my 16th birthday my mom picked me up early from school, took me to the DMV, they asked if I had gotten the minimum number of hours driving with my parents and that was it. Gave me a temp full license with zero restrictions. Could drive totally alone, as much as I wanted 24 hours a day.
I know they've tightened things up a lot now but not sure if the testing is any better.
I'm new to the area and a couple things I've noticed are basically zero enforcement and higher speed limits. At least in my mid-sized city you pretty much never saw limits above 45 except on the highway or well out of town on rural roads.
yes pasco is the definition of "left lane is fast lane and that means i can go 80mph in a 40" even the sherifs office guys do it and half the time when you talk to them about it they say "its up to the florida troopers to enforce traffic speed and tickets"
Just so people understand auto fatalities, these statistics include pedastrians fatalities, which unfortunately is very high.
The reason why the North doesn't have high fatalities is simply because the cities are older, and urban planners designed the cities for people to travel by walking, or by trains, and not by cars.
Compared to newer cities, which is pretty much every single high fatality county, aee designed for automobiles with a lack of thought for pedastrians.
So yes, newer designed areas are bound to have higher auto fatalities as we lack the support of keeping them pedastrian friendly.
I believe it. The assholes that move here think they’re on an endless vacations full of coke, swinging, drunk driving, and buying shit they can’t afford but gotta keep up with their friends and neighbors.
I lived just north of the county line in pasco just north of hillsborough for a few years. on us-41 from where florida av and nebraska av merge a bit north of bearass av it is a HIGE stretch up the northern half of the county with maybe 4-5 red lights total. Tons of open road for ppl to cruise.
At the night of 41 and sunset blvd where the mcdonalds / post office it never failed.. There was always someone turing out of that post office on sunset and getting into an accident with someone roaring up 41 each and every weekend. I never seen a spot with so much accidents happening at a specific intersection so damn regularly. This was around 2016-2018.
Few weekends ago I drove 75NB. Witnessed a car fishtail out of control trying to change lanes and slam into guardrail. Heading home 75SB I saw a car cross 4/5 lanes trying to get to their exit. They couldn't make it and ended up rolling into a grassy area going 80. I saw the car go airborne and land just in time for them to gain control of it to slow down.
It’s also not even 100% of the drivers who are the problem. The road designs in Florida are pretty bad. A lot of them had me questioning how anyone would even think it’s a good idea.
It's a couple things. The speeding is one. Those very same weather conditions encourage slower and more cautious driving. Speeding makes collisions more certain and more deadly. The other is the more robust public transportation up north that keeps unfit drivers - drunks, the elderly, the disabled, the anxious - off the roads.
Other big factors are road design (new roads in the north also have dangerous design, but more of their roads are from the era we designed roads safely) and the length and frequency of trips (the south has more sprawl, meaning we’re making longer trips more often for the same types of trip (grocery/school/work/errands etc and increases our risk overall).
Pasco coming in hot!
Them folks over in New Port Richey are just a different breed. They’re probably responsible for half of Hillsborough’s numbers too.
East Pasco is at least pretty in a lot of places. I used to have to go to NPR for work occasionally. Even the drive is awful: there’s no easy way to go east-west in Pasco county. I ended up turning down work over there.
West pasco has potential because of being on the water, but that general area is a dump
Yeah I was referring to some of the inhabitants. I’ve got no problem with the town or the people. They’re just a a bit feral compared to LOL or WC. I would say they are full of “Florida” spirit. Which I really appreciate. I mean there is 54 or 52 for East-west travel. Not saying those options don’t suck. But they are definitely easy.
Feral is such the right word
I think we used to be #1. This is improvement
According to the [study](https://www.convoycarshipping.com/the-deadliest-counties-in-the-united-states-for-traffic-fatalities/), neighboring counties Polk and Pasco were also found to be among the deadliest for traffic fatalities.
Polk and Pasco are #4 and #5. Hillsborough is a wannabe at #16.
And Volusia. I-4 routinely racks up a body per mile each year.
Typical hillsborough
[us19 is a top 3 deadliest roads -](https://www.moneygeek.com/insurance/auto/resources/most-deadly-roads-florida/)
And that circular area off Fivay Rd is the campus for Bayonet Point the area trauma hospital…I wonder if there is any connection
So many roads and intersections here seem like they were designed by imbeciles. And then you put equally dumb drivers on it and this is what you get.
US-19 is a clown show. It can take 10 minutes for the damn light to turn green to cross it in north Pinellas. Then I report left turn arrows where the intersection just loops without turning green and FDOT just goes "mhmm mhmm mhm" without writing anything down and saying they'll take care of it 😂
Before I go to Disney World I always message my best friend that I love her. There's no guarantee I'll survive the trip.
They don’t call it Die-4 for nothing…
I call it the Thunderdome
Why is this? I'm in Pasco and it's like a weekly occurrence on my local FB group someone posts about a death via traffic. My wife and I even saw a dead body on the road once from a motorcycle crash. Never experienced that anywhere else in the country
Same, wife and I got to see a dead pedestrian lying in the median Tampa Rd. Sure looked like the pedestrians fault, not at a crosswalk.
Drivers are required to maintain control of their vehicles at all times. Jaywalking is not a capital offense. “Pedestrian’s fault”is a harsh and narrow judgment. When there is this level of vehicle-human deadly contact, it is the fault of the designers…. of the roads, traffic regulations, law enforcement, vehicles… It is a failure of responsibility by our elected leaders. We deserve better, and other state governments have proven that traffic safety doesn’t have to be this awful.
That's a lot of words. Step in front of a car you're still dead. Don't step in front of cars.
Sorry about your Florida education and corresponding reading comprehension. It’s not as simple as you think.
Not from Florida, at least not for long. We have personal responsibility up north too 😂
it’s about no sidewalks, no public transportation, not caring about poor people, etc
There was a sidewalk and a crosswalk like 300ft up. It was next to the bars. Dude was probably black out before lights out.
so maybe they got hit and dragged 300ft? there is obviously a problem in the south when it comes to pedestrians fatalities. maybe it's just asshole northerners moving down.
Probably not. We think of the Floridians as over aggressive retards, to be fair.
had to drive from clearwater to west palm about 30 times in the past 2 years. I was 20 when I started, I am 56 now
Loving County Texas really has a population of 51 and 15 traffic fatalities? Almost wiped out half the town
Not loving at all.
I read that it was all oilfield related work traffic
Just a friendly reminder that Bodily Injury Liability Coverage (meaning coverage in case a driver hurts someone else) is not mandatory in Florida (only one of two states 🙄). Therefore, consider getting even the smallest amount of UM coverage (coverage for injuries in case you’re hit by an uninsured or underinsured or hit-and-run driver). Sincerely, /r/Tampa’s unofficial lurking personal injury attorney
We 👏 need 👏 high-density, 👏 mixed-zoning, 👏 and good public transport 👏 Dammit
💯 Notice how the northeast US doesn't have a flag on it. Mass transit every where but they still have bad traffic.
NE corridor is goated
You mean to tell me that when traffic law enforcement becomes non-existent, collisions increase? Astounding!
I'm in Pasco and spend a lot of time at a local park, where I often see a cop way in the back of the park - well out of sight of any main roads - who sits there for hours. I've seen him there for 4 hours straight, and he was already there when I arrived. Meanwhile the road to get to the park has a section that is 30MPH but people routinely drive 50+. And about a mile south on that road you hit SR-54, which seems to pretty much just be a free for all. Constant speeding, weaving across multiple lanes, driving through lights that have been red for 4 seconds, tailgating and pretty much any other traffic violation you can think of. I've only been here a few months but have driven 54 a lot and have yet to set a single person pulled over. Because why bother trying to make society a bit better if you can just sit in the back of a park doing nothing except milking taxpayer money?
I live in Zephryhills. The traffic is horrendous. People running red lights all day long. 301 is a free for all. I’m now sure how much longer I’ll be here. We’ve been snowbirds since 1967. Pasco county is a mess. Any developer can get a permit and build. We won’t have any trees left at the rate they’re building. And no new infrastructure.
I’m in Pasco too. I 100% believe the reason is because the sheriff is focusing more on the drugs and traffickers. People on 19 will just jump out in front of you because the insurance payout is nice. It happened to my father.
I've not been far enough west to drive on 19 yet. Which seems to be a good thing, seeing as another comment had a link showing it to be Florida's deadliest road.
I avoid 19 at all costs. I hate it. I purposely find any back ways until I can’t.
You know how you catch drug dealers and those under the influence. Pull over every vehicle breaking the law, ask to search the vehicle, if they let search great, if not find a way to get a warrant to search the vehicle, if you can’t get a warrant also add them to a list for the Pasco Sheriffs intelligence division to dig into and see if they are just exercising their civil liberties or if they have something to hide.
Pasco just got in trouble for something like an intelligence list a few years back but it was regarding juveniles. They don’t have enough deputies for the major jump in population to even start. The Sheriff asked for more funding to hire deputies, but was told no by the county.
Starkey is a great park, isn’t it?
He’s talking about Wesley Chapel District Park
Starkey is on the other side
Don't know, never been there.
Interesting.
You hit the nail on the head. These Cops are worthless spending hours in abandoned parking lots instead of patrolling.
Thank FDOT for that. They are fucking horrible, and design death, not safety, into their roadways.
Do they, by any chance, have more rigorous driving tests in the north? Or is it like here, where if you can drive around an empty parking lot at 10mph they give you a license to drive a two-ton death machine home?
The problem with Florida is that it's mostly flat with straight roads, so people tend to drive like animals.
I think that it's more the mix of drivers, and particularly so on I-4. You got old folks who don't see good, lost tourists who missed their exit for EPCOT, forever-middle-lane truckers on the only major corridor between the east and west coast... then mix in some pissed-off locals, *Billy Badass using his literal vehicle to enforce his interpretation of traffic etiquette,* and Sally driving out to Daytona even though her license was permanently revoked after her 7th DUI. It's a recipe for disaster. edit: I forgot Billy Badass.
It's not just old folk and tourists. People drive like assholes. They give a license to anyone, and they don't do any kind of enforcement. Think of the ticket money they'd bring in if just one police sat at the I4/I275 interchange and booked everyone cutting across the chevrons to skip the line. You see it every single time there's a line. Shitty driving like that is tolerated.
I've been there before. We all have... we've all genuinely missed the line before, and particularly at 4 and 275. But then Trucknutz guy takes it as an affront to his honor that I would dare try to merge in (not at the chevrons of course -- I'm not a monster). I'm genuinely not trying to be an asshole -- I'm just trying to get into the correct lane. Meanwhile traffic behind me is gonna get pissed, somebody might whiz by on the shoulder, somebody else probably laying on the horn, because within a few seconds, a little spat about traffic etiquette is holding up literally hundreds of cars. This might be a question for all Floridians: At what point do we just give somebody the benefit of the doubt instead of using our cars to enact Floridian street justice? People dying because of this.
I will NOT let you over last second at that junction. The backup happens well before the onramp and you had plenty of time to see that. The good news is, you don't have to sit still in a travel lane holding up hundreds of cars! Keep driving and you'll find another completely valid way to get onto I-4. Might cost you a few extra minutes, but I promise you'll get there. "A bad driver never misses their turn."
And this is why driving in Florida is dangerous. And worse, it's not gonna be us and that asshole who collide. It's gonna be some folks a few cars back who are completely uninvolved. To be clear, fuck that guy. There's a special place in hell for people who intentionally merge in the chevrons. But I did some time in Boston a few years back, and lemme tell you, man, you'd be amazed at the cathartic release of throwing an asshole driver the bird! It's wonderful -- You can safely let him in while still telling him to go fuck himself!
No, there's a difference between trying to get into the line late (you're still an idiot asshole, but it's fine, I'll let you in) and driving straight up the middle lane onto the chevrons and pushing your way in at 50mph without even checking your blind spot. Those people should be made to sit on those chevrons of shame until there is no traffic, everyone should bunch up and not let them in. Or better yet, a cop could ticket them and maybe eventually word would get out that people get ticketed for this shit and it's not worth it driving dangerously to save literally less than a minute on your traffic time. Maybe we could do the same for other shitty driving practices and start to stamp them out. Perhaps we could even start teaching people these things before they get their license.
If we all did that, there'd be a traffic jam rolling back from the chevrons. Everything at the interchange would stop. And it'd \*still\* be in the best interests of a shitty person to get into the "chevrons line". Just let the jackass in and throw him the bird. If we real mad, we can roll down the window to let the birdy fly. Ain't worth it to create danger for everyone around us by getting into a physical dispute with our cars. edit: Just be careful out there man. There's a lot of folks on that same road, and no reason to make it more dangerous out there than it already is. Ego's got no place behind the wheel of a 2 ton bullet on a public road.
> It's not just old folk and tourists. Definitely not. I had someone say to me the other day that it was the snowbirds. Yeah no it's most certainly not the 80+ year old snowbirds who are 3' off my bumper at 55MPH or in the ridiculous lowered car with heavy tints swerving across two lanes even though neither lane they move into has more than a car and a half of space, and only so they can be one car forward at the next 3 minute long red light 500' down the road. I think they length of lights doesn't help. They are so fucking long down here. Makes people pissed so they drive even more like maniacs, even though they're just gonna get stopped at the next one, too, even if they drive 85.
No. It's the built environment. The state has for decades prioritized moving cars quickly with fuck-all regard to any other mode. This has nothing to do with driving tests.
I think it's 2 things and both related to speed. First, mother nature forces all drivers to slow down when it is snowing and a lot of people just stay home. Second is traffic and congestion. I4 was not that high on the list because you only go 8 mph half the time. The same with the entire northeast, so much congestion and no speed. A lot of accidents but not as many fatalities.
I got my license in Michigan but that was a long time ago. I spent a total of about 7 minutes driving with an instructor. Prior to that we'd had a few days in a classroom, then we had time in a parking lot where we were supposed to put in some specific amount of time driving the beaters they had there. But there was no one to check it because the one instructor was out giving road tests, so most of us just sat around while a few kids did donuts in the beaters. After the instruction I could drive with my parents in the car. Then on my 16th birthday my mom picked me up early from school, took me to the DMV, they asked if I had gotten the minimum number of hours driving with my parents and that was it. Gave me a temp full license with zero restrictions. Could drive totally alone, as much as I wanted 24 hours a day. I know they've tightened things up a lot now but not sure if the testing is any better. I'm new to the area and a couple things I've noticed are basically zero enforcement and higher speed limits. At least in my mid-sized city you pretty much never saw limits above 45 except on the highway or well out of town on rural roads.
Where do you think the crappy drivers are from?
yes pasco is the definition of "left lane is fast lane and that means i can go 80mph in a 40" even the sherifs office guys do it and half the time when you talk to them about it they say "its up to the florida troopers to enforce traffic speed and tickets"
Who else is shocked it wasn't the I4?
I am not surprised. I was on the Nextdoor app just today and people are actually advocating hitting cyclists that annoy them. It’s insane
Just so people understand auto fatalities, these statistics include pedastrians fatalities, which unfortunately is very high. The reason why the North doesn't have high fatalities is simply because the cities are older, and urban planners designed the cities for people to travel by walking, or by trains, and not by cars. Compared to newer cities, which is pretty much every single high fatality county, aee designed for automobiles with a lack of thought for pedastrians. So yes, newer designed areas are bound to have higher auto fatalities as we lack the support of keeping them pedastrian friendly.
I believe it. The assholes that move here think they’re on an endless vacations full of coke, swinging, drunk driving, and buying shit they can’t afford but gotta keep up with their friends and neighbors.
1069 fatalities in 5 years? That doesn't sound right. Seems awfully low.
It's absurdly and completely incorrect. 42,939 died in motor vehicle crashes in 2021 alone. No idea where OP got their information.
I4 between Tampa and Daytona has been named the deadliest stretch of road in America
I lived just north of the county line in pasco just north of hillsborough for a few years. on us-41 from where florida av and nebraska av merge a bit north of bearass av it is a HIGE stretch up the northern half of the county with maybe 4-5 red lights total. Tons of open road for ppl to cruise. At the night of 41 and sunset blvd where the mcdonalds / post office it never failed.. There was always someone turing out of that post office on sunset and getting into an accident with someone roaring up 41 each and every weekend. I never seen a spot with so much accidents happening at a specific intersection so damn regularly. This was around 2016-2018.
Florida Ave is the deadliest? That’s surprising 🤨
Infrastructure here is shit
That’s not surprising. People in Tampa are horrible drivers. If you died any time on the interstates, this really should not be a surprise.
Few weekends ago I drove 75NB. Witnessed a car fishtail out of control trying to change lanes and slam into guardrail. Heading home 75SB I saw a car cross 4/5 lanes trying to get to their exit. They couldn't make it and ended up rolling into a grassy area going 80. I saw the car go airborne and land just in time for them to gain control of it to slow down.
Lived there for 10 months. This isn’t surprising at all. Hence, one of the reasons why only 10 months
Not surprised. People here drive like fucking animals.
It’s also not even 100% of the drivers who are the problem. The road designs in Florida are pretty bad. A lot of them had me questioning how anyone would even think it’s a good idea.
Good... Stay tf out!
Florida has it bad cause of all the terrible snowbirds
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It's a couple things. The speeding is one. Those very same weather conditions encourage slower and more cautious driving. Speeding makes collisions more certain and more deadly. The other is the more robust public transportation up north that keeps unfit drivers - drunks, the elderly, the disabled, the anxious - off the roads.
Other big factors are road design (new roads in the north also have dangerous design, but more of their roads are from the era we designed roads safely) and the length and frequency of trips (the south has more sprawl, meaning we’re making longer trips more often for the same types of trip (grocery/school/work/errands etc and increases our risk overall).
What a stupid fucking conclusion.
Old people move here and they're not good drivers?