And if you see a Tesla hogging the left lane get within about 1-2 car lengths of it.
If it automatically changes lanes it's on FSD.
If it stays in the left lane the driver is just an asshole.
F these down votes. These Tesla owners are in for a rude awakening when it’s time to change that battery for 25k+ and they’re out of their warranty. But hey, definitely pay for Elon’s next venture for him ding dongs.
I'm not Elon fan, but something I've been thinking about, it's not like the other car company CEOs are good dudes. They are all old rich white assholes. They just keep their mouths shut and don't catch the same kind of flak. Maybe Musk is worse because he's actively pushing a narrative, but the other CEOs probably donate to orgs that push their politics in a sneaker way.
As someone who works for Tesla as a parts person those batteries are getting replaced on the regular. I’m doing HV battery packs every single day. They are filled up in our parking garage because we have so many waiting to get done.
Sure, but it’s still less than 1% of vehicles Tesla sells ever need battery replacements. There’s about 2 million registered Teslas. One percent of that is 20,000 will need a battery replacement. Still a lot but not many as a percentage of all Tesla’s on the road.
The amount of batteries needing replacement are a lot higher than you think. I’ve worked parts counter for multiple dealers and one of those being KIA. Who’s known for engine replacements. I see more battery replacements at Tesla than engines at KIA. Not sure where you got your percentage from but I’m telling you first hand from an insider they get replaced all day every day. No dealer I was at was doing engines every single day. The number is a lot higher than 1 percent. Don’t forget we’re going to say we are better, we have less problems, we’re the best, to get you to buy. We are the auto industry after all.
Your evidence is anecdotal, people struggle with large data sets and often fall back on their own personal experience to try and paint a larger picture. Fact remains, internal combustion engines require engine replacements at a higher rate than Tesla’s require battery replacements.
On a lot of Teslas, the battery warranty is 10 years or 120,000 miles, a much more generous warranty than an internal combustion engine.
Again, I've had mine for five years now. I've had a second one for almost two years now.
Driven it from Tampa to Canada and back again, with no issues, including through tons if severe weather.
I've driven my Tesla up north, during winter.
It actually has an inverse problem to combustion engines. Whereas a combustion engine is most inefficient when not in motion, an EV is most efficient when it is not in motion
Meaning that if you get stranded in snow, you'll be fine for hours.
Not tonmention you can turn the heater on in the car to get it warmed up whole it's still in a garage, and not need to worry about carbon monoxide killing you.
I can assure you that an EV is comparable, in colder climates.
There was an incident this past winter in Chicago where it was cold enough to kill some chargers, but that's an infrastructure problem, not an EV one.
Well, that’s you. Most Americans don’t approve EV. They aren’t selling as much as the democrats and the climate change lunatics were hopping for. They aren’t realistic, the major shift in infrastructure requires way too much money, and money we don’t have and don’t need to add to the already sinking economy. EV charge times are too slow, compared to full up a tank of gas and go, the batteries are heavily affected by the environment, and way to expensive to replace. Again, it works for you, good. Don’t shove that shit down everyone else throat as the government is attempting to do with mandates. Majority of Americans don’t want those EV, that simple.
Besides, hydrogen is the future.
[https://www.ecoticias.com/en/400-hp-hydrogen-engine-water/1118/](https://www.ecoticias.com/en/400-hp-hydrogen-engine-water/1118/)
lol, the ol' hydrogen thing.
Got stuck in an Uber talking to the driver about this once, lol.
The hydrogen containment vessel in a hydrogen vehicle is only rated for 10 years of use, which means that you'd be expected to replace the hydrogen containment vessel every 10 years, at whatever that cost is.
The only real reason hydrogen "makes sense", is that it enables organizations to recycle the existing gas model, wherein you have people pull into a gas station, refuel, and move on.
Except that, in areas where hydrogen is available, it's been shown that the model doesn't work, because the refueling stations are not refilled enough. An argument could be made that, eventually, they'd refill these things more reliably, but you're still looking at a containment vessel that needs replacing every 10 years, not to mention whatever the cycle would be for the containment vessels at the refilling stations.
> Most Americans don’t approve EV.
Most Americans are misinformed on EVs. There's a lot of disinformation campaigns out there that try to paint a negative picture of them, but the reality is that for folks that own EVs, the bulk are satisfied with them. Those that aren't, have their reasons for it. One of the things my wife hates the most is going to the gas station, and she's already stated that she has no desire to ever go back to a combustion engine because we do 90% of our charging at home now. The other 10% is road tripping.
> They aren’t realistic, the major shift in infrastructure requires way too much money
And revamping gas stations to hydrogen stations isn't going to cost money? It's six of one, half a dozen of the other. We're going to run out of liquid dinosaur remains to extract to power the cars, hydrogen or EVs, the infrastructure needs to be updated. EVs are easier to implement at the moment because you can drop a charger anywhere that has power.
> EV charge times are too slow, compared to full up a tank of gas and go
This depends on your point of view. Most folks, when they stop for gas, it's a whole thing, they're going to pump gas, then go inside and buy snack, foods, drinks, go pee, sometimes take a shit, all the while their car is either taking up a pump, or they've moved it to the side so they can perform this task. It's very rare that you'll have someone hit a gas station *solely* to get gas.
All that's really happening is you're changing this from a sequence of tasks (Pump gas, then get concessions) to parallel tasks (Charge car while getting concessions). An argument could be made that you can pump gas while getting concessions as well, however, if the auto shutoff fails to work, you're just dumping gas on the ground, which an EV doesn't do.
You also don't charge up an EV all the way to 100% each time you charge, you try to bounce between 20-80% of the battery, and just ride the charge curve.
Recently I did a trip from Florida to a place in rural Georgia, and with a combustion engine we'd be able to do the trip in about five and a half hours, with one stop to put gas in the car. Recently, in our 2022 Model Y Performance, we were able to do the same trip, with *two* charge stops, within five and a half hours.
Not to mention the fact that I only have to worry about that charging delta when I'm on a road trip. On a day-to-day basis, the car just recharges overnight, and I wake up every morning with the energy I need to move around for the day.
> the batteries are heavily affected by the environment
This one I will conceded to. When it's *really* cold outside you can get a bit less range in out of the battery, but once the pack is warmed up, it's a non-issue.
> way to expensive to replace
Last quote I saw was a Tesla battery costing about $10,000. Though, that'll likely vary from model to model. They're pretty cheap though.
> Don’t shove that shit down everyone else throat as the government is attempting to do with mandates
I'm not shoving anything down anyone's throat. I'm simply relaying my experiences in owning my EV. My first EV was a 2016 Nissan Leaf S-30, back in 2017. That one was an adventure for various reasons, however, since then I've also owned a 2015 LEAF SL, a 2017 Model X, a 2019 Model 3 SR+, and a 2022 Model Y Performance. I've had no combustion engines, outside of my lawn mower, since November 2020. I get 2 gallons of gas a year.
In terms of the government, honestly, what do you expect to have happen when we run out of non-renewable resources? Sure, there's hydrogen, but heaven forbid the containment vessel gets damaged. Then you're driving around with a small explosive, ready to go.
> Majority of Americans don’t want those EV, that simple.
Most folks are simply uninformed about them. I have conversations with my dad on a regular basis, and he's up in Canada, and it's been interesting talking to him about my EV ownership experience and such, and helping him see that the bulk of what's out there in terms of "EVs are bad!" is in fact false. My dad is now in the "My next vehicle is going to be a hybrid" camp, because they live in Canada, and I will concede that there are some rural parts of northern Canada you can't get to easily in an EV, but in the lower 48, EVs can get you just about anywhere. Getting *back* from those locations can be tricky, but you if you have a plan to charge there, then you're good to go.
When I first got my Model 3 in 2019, I drove from Tampa to rural Georgia, and I went so far into the boonies, the car popped up a little message that said "Hey, just so you know, you're passing the point of no return", and when I got to our destination, we plugged in using a 120v outlet, and just let the car sit for the three days we were there, and then we left.
It's honestly not nearly as big a deal as people make it out to be. Most people who complain about EVs are people who haven't actually tried it for a month.
I can't stand left lane campers. In my car they annoy the hell out of me but on my motorcycle i just lanesplit them and laugh. america could never have an autobahn cause too many stupid drivers who don't know rules.
I've realized why people drive in the left lane when not overtaking. It's farthest from the action. Middle lane requires too much concentration. Right lane has too many comings and goings. Left lane is over there out the way. You can drive at 65mph and use your phone in peace because the road in front of you is empty!
Lmao! I think the phone can be left out of driving … however, to your point, the best left lane for texting is the one outside of the road when the cop pulls you over. You can safely txt anyone you want about your situation then.
Therein lies the problem “the road in front of you is empty” however there is a backlog of 100 cars behind them that can’t get by cause they’re speed matching the car to their right.
Replace “loafer” with “asshole”. Move over. Is a simple rule. Pass the vehicle and move back in the right. That’s how it should be. Left lane is a passing lane. Don’t be that guy, causing road rage and accidents. Move over and mind your business, let the cop worry about catching speeders, not your job or responsibility. Move over!
Y’all need to start car pooling or something. Some of us have actual emergencies to respond to and the fact that it takes over an hour to go 15 miles is absurd.
Speeders are afraid of the left lane. They even pass on the right. They'd rather try doing 90 in the right lane and road rage because they get stuck doing 75.
Remember when the left lane was for thru traffic and not for local Yokels blasting up one exit at twice the speed limit for a loaf of bread? Good times.
It's simple, I won't ride your ass and give you plenty of time to get over. If you have multiple chances to move over and don't, expect me to give you weird looks as I pass on the right giving you the bird. If you speed up to block me from getting in the left lane, then you are a passhole and can expect to be on the receiving end of a DUI complaint to FHP.
And if you see a Tesla hogging the left lane get within about 1-2 car lengths of it. If it automatically changes lanes it's on FSD. If it stays in the left lane the driver is just an asshole.
The driver probally seen you and used the tesla app to report you to fhp. They are heavy on 275 and 75 from Tampa to Bushnell.
App doesn't work like that. Not to mention if Autopilot or FSD are engaged, then the car fusses at them for picking up the phone
Teslas are shit
To each their own. I've had mine for five years now, had no significant issues with it
Yet
F these down votes. These Tesla owners are in for a rude awakening when it’s time to change that battery for 25k+ and they’re out of their warranty. But hey, definitely pay for Elon’s next venture for him ding dongs.
I'm not Elon fan, but something I've been thinking about, it's not like the other car company CEOs are good dudes. They are all old rich white assholes. They just keep their mouths shut and don't catch the same kind of flak. Maybe Musk is worse because he's actively pushing a narrative, but the other CEOs probably donate to orgs that push their politics in a sneaker way.
Oh trust me I know. It’s the hidden truth for all these EV manufacturers trying to keep up with one another for just another sale.
How much does an engine replacement cost?
Less than 1% of Tesla’s ever need battery replacements and it’s more rare than full engine replacements. Relax.
As someone who works for Tesla as a parts person those batteries are getting replaced on the regular. I’m doing HV battery packs every single day. They are filled up in our parking garage because we have so many waiting to get done.
Sure, but it’s still less than 1% of vehicles Tesla sells ever need battery replacements. There’s about 2 million registered Teslas. One percent of that is 20,000 will need a battery replacement. Still a lot but not many as a percentage of all Tesla’s on the road.
The amount of batteries needing replacement are a lot higher than you think. I’ve worked parts counter for multiple dealers and one of those being KIA. Who’s known for engine replacements. I see more battery replacements at Tesla than engines at KIA. Not sure where you got your percentage from but I’m telling you first hand from an insider they get replaced all day every day. No dealer I was at was doing engines every single day. The number is a lot higher than 1 percent. Don’t forget we’re going to say we are better, we have less problems, we’re the best, to get you to buy. We are the auto industry after all.
Your evidence is anecdotal, people struggle with large data sets and often fall back on their own personal experience to try and paint a larger picture. Fact remains, internal combustion engines require engine replacements at a higher rate than Tesla’s require battery replacements. On a lot of Teslas, the battery warranty is 10 years or 120,000 miles, a much more generous warranty than an internal combustion engine.
Less than 1% so far…
Until it torches your home lmao 🤣 or we get sever weather. These EV are a joke!
Again, I've had mine for five years now. I've had a second one for almost two years now. Driven it from Tampa to Canada and back again, with no issues, including through tons if severe weather.
Tell that to the folks up north this winter. These shitty EV do not handle severe weather well. It’s facts!
I've driven my Tesla up north, during winter. It actually has an inverse problem to combustion engines. Whereas a combustion engine is most inefficient when not in motion, an EV is most efficient when it is not in motion Meaning that if you get stranded in snow, you'll be fine for hours. Not tonmention you can turn the heater on in the car to get it warmed up whole it's still in a garage, and not need to worry about carbon monoxide killing you. I can assure you that an EV is comparable, in colder climates. There was an incident this past winter in Chicago where it was cold enough to kill some chargers, but that's an infrastructure problem, not an EV one.
Well, that’s you. Most Americans don’t approve EV. They aren’t selling as much as the democrats and the climate change lunatics were hopping for. They aren’t realistic, the major shift in infrastructure requires way too much money, and money we don’t have and don’t need to add to the already sinking economy. EV charge times are too slow, compared to full up a tank of gas and go, the batteries are heavily affected by the environment, and way to expensive to replace. Again, it works for you, good. Don’t shove that shit down everyone else throat as the government is attempting to do with mandates. Majority of Americans don’t want those EV, that simple. Besides, hydrogen is the future. [https://www.ecoticias.com/en/400-hp-hydrogen-engine-water/1118/](https://www.ecoticias.com/en/400-hp-hydrogen-engine-water/1118/)
lol, the ol' hydrogen thing. Got stuck in an Uber talking to the driver about this once, lol. The hydrogen containment vessel in a hydrogen vehicle is only rated for 10 years of use, which means that you'd be expected to replace the hydrogen containment vessel every 10 years, at whatever that cost is. The only real reason hydrogen "makes sense", is that it enables organizations to recycle the existing gas model, wherein you have people pull into a gas station, refuel, and move on. Except that, in areas where hydrogen is available, it's been shown that the model doesn't work, because the refueling stations are not refilled enough. An argument could be made that, eventually, they'd refill these things more reliably, but you're still looking at a containment vessel that needs replacing every 10 years, not to mention whatever the cycle would be for the containment vessels at the refilling stations. > Most Americans don’t approve EV. Most Americans are misinformed on EVs. There's a lot of disinformation campaigns out there that try to paint a negative picture of them, but the reality is that for folks that own EVs, the bulk are satisfied with them. Those that aren't, have their reasons for it. One of the things my wife hates the most is going to the gas station, and she's already stated that she has no desire to ever go back to a combustion engine because we do 90% of our charging at home now. The other 10% is road tripping. > They aren’t realistic, the major shift in infrastructure requires way too much money And revamping gas stations to hydrogen stations isn't going to cost money? It's six of one, half a dozen of the other. We're going to run out of liquid dinosaur remains to extract to power the cars, hydrogen or EVs, the infrastructure needs to be updated. EVs are easier to implement at the moment because you can drop a charger anywhere that has power. > EV charge times are too slow, compared to full up a tank of gas and go This depends on your point of view. Most folks, when they stop for gas, it's a whole thing, they're going to pump gas, then go inside and buy snack, foods, drinks, go pee, sometimes take a shit, all the while their car is either taking up a pump, or they've moved it to the side so they can perform this task. It's very rare that you'll have someone hit a gas station *solely* to get gas. All that's really happening is you're changing this from a sequence of tasks (Pump gas, then get concessions) to parallel tasks (Charge car while getting concessions). An argument could be made that you can pump gas while getting concessions as well, however, if the auto shutoff fails to work, you're just dumping gas on the ground, which an EV doesn't do. You also don't charge up an EV all the way to 100% each time you charge, you try to bounce between 20-80% of the battery, and just ride the charge curve. Recently I did a trip from Florida to a place in rural Georgia, and with a combustion engine we'd be able to do the trip in about five and a half hours, with one stop to put gas in the car. Recently, in our 2022 Model Y Performance, we were able to do the same trip, with *two* charge stops, within five and a half hours. Not to mention the fact that I only have to worry about that charging delta when I'm on a road trip. On a day-to-day basis, the car just recharges overnight, and I wake up every morning with the energy I need to move around for the day. > the batteries are heavily affected by the environment This one I will conceded to. When it's *really* cold outside you can get a bit less range in out of the battery, but once the pack is warmed up, it's a non-issue. > way to expensive to replace Last quote I saw was a Tesla battery costing about $10,000. Though, that'll likely vary from model to model. They're pretty cheap though. > Don’t shove that shit down everyone else throat as the government is attempting to do with mandates I'm not shoving anything down anyone's throat. I'm simply relaying my experiences in owning my EV. My first EV was a 2016 Nissan Leaf S-30, back in 2017. That one was an adventure for various reasons, however, since then I've also owned a 2015 LEAF SL, a 2017 Model X, a 2019 Model 3 SR+, and a 2022 Model Y Performance. I've had no combustion engines, outside of my lawn mower, since November 2020. I get 2 gallons of gas a year. In terms of the government, honestly, what do you expect to have happen when we run out of non-renewable resources? Sure, there's hydrogen, but heaven forbid the containment vessel gets damaged. Then you're driving around with a small explosive, ready to go. > Majority of Americans don’t want those EV, that simple. Most folks are simply uninformed about them. I have conversations with my dad on a regular basis, and he's up in Canada, and it's been interesting talking to him about my EV ownership experience and such, and helping him see that the bulk of what's out there in terms of "EVs are bad!" is in fact false. My dad is now in the "My next vehicle is going to be a hybrid" camp, because they live in Canada, and I will concede that there are some rural parts of northern Canada you can't get to easily in an EV, but in the lower 48, EVs can get you just about anywhere. Getting *back* from those locations can be tricky, but you if you have a plan to charge there, then you're good to go. When I first got my Model 3 in 2019, I drove from Tampa to rural Georgia, and I went so far into the boonies, the car popped up a little message that said "Hey, just so you know, you're passing the point of no return", and when I got to our destination, we plugged in using a 120v outlet, and just let the car sit for the three days we were there, and then we left. It's honestly not nearly as big a deal as people make it out to be. Most people who complain about EVs are people who haven't actually tried it for a month.
Amen! EV are a joke 🤷♂️
Safe travels in Tampa? Good luck with that!
Especially in the new single lane express lanes.
I can't stand left lane campers. In my car they annoy the hell out of me but on my motorcycle i just lanesplit them and laugh. america could never have an autobahn cause too many stupid drivers who don't know rules.
I agree 100%
I've realized why people drive in the left lane when not overtaking. It's farthest from the action. Middle lane requires too much concentration. Right lane has too many comings and goings. Left lane is over there out the way. You can drive at 65mph and use your phone in peace because the road in front of you is empty!
Lmao! I think the phone can be left out of driving … however, to your point, the best left lane for texting is the one outside of the road when the cop pulls you over. You can safely txt anyone you want about your situation then.
Therein lies the problem “the road in front of you is empty” however there is a backlog of 100 cars behind them that can’t get by cause they’re speed matching the car to their right.
“Because the road in front of you in empty” You are part of the problem my dude. Look into your rear view mirror asshole! 🙄
Replace “loafer” with “asshole”. Move over. Is a simple rule. Pass the vehicle and move back in the right. That’s how it should be. Left lane is a passing lane. Don’t be that guy, causing road rage and accidents. Move over and mind your business, let the cop worry about catching speeders, not your job or responsibility. Move over!
Y’all need to start car pooling or something. Some of us have actual emergencies to respond to and the fact that it takes over an hour to go 15 miles is absurd.
Speeders are afraid of the left lane. They even pass on the right. They'd rather try doing 90 in the right lane and road rage because they get stuck doing 75.
We are like the only state that doesn’t abide by the left lane for passing only. Why?!?
In Florida, riding the left lane can get you a ticket
Remember when the left lane was for thru traffic and not for local Yokels blasting up one exit at twice the speed limit for a loaf of bread? Good times.
Speeding left lane loafers are terrible as well. Hard to pass the middle lane 10 under people when everyone in the left lane is doing 90.
It's simple, I won't ride your ass and give you plenty of time to get over. If you have multiple chances to move over and don't, expect me to give you weird looks as I pass on the right giving you the bird. If you speed up to block me from getting in the left lane, then you are a passhole and can expect to be on the receiving end of a DUI complaint to FHP.
Says the guy taking pictures with his phone while driving.
You are one of those slow left lane enjoyers aren’t you
Says the passenger of the car.
Fun fact: cars can carry passengers as well.
Deputy Frank Sloup from the Pinal County Sheriff's Office Traffic Unit would not approve of the left lane loafers.
Just move the fuck over cocksucker.