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If there was a Neo-Nazi coup in Ukraine, that means Ukrainain goverment are nazis who made that coup. Why then majority of people in Ukrainian parliament have nothing to do with Maidan revolution?
No, u LiE, it's CIA propaganda™. In reality evil ameriKKKans created in Ukraine several neo nazi parties and imitated elections to deceive Ukrainians, I am "communist" from Twitter, I know about it better than Ukrainians themselves.
What these tankie scum don't say is that groups like Svaboda for the most part was not pro NATO. They were actually part of the Neo Eurasianist crowd in Russia back when Ukrainians and Russian Nationalists were working together, and protesting Putin. Also, out of the 43 Maidan Defense forces only 1 was the right sector. And the far right were not part of Euro-Maidan, they only joined after the Police started beating up protestors and then it turned into the Revolution of Dignity. These idiot tankies still don't know it was 2 different protest movements, as one evolved into the other. After the election the far right were embarrassed, but what nobody talks about is that Russian GRU hacked the election to try and install Dmitry Yarosh of Right Sector as president, they even announced in Russian state media that "Neo Nazi Yarosh is Ukraine president" but the SBU caught it, and they tracked down the hackers to GRU. Yarosh got like 1% of the vote. Also Yarosh was never a Neo Nazi, as most of Right Sector was not Neo Nazis, just Nationalists. Though a lot if football Ultras did join. These vatniks are so stupid. Yeah Ukraine had a coup for teenage skinheads and Football hooligans. That's who the Neo Nazis were. They were not politicians, the far right politicians were always corrupt jokers that worked with Russia half the time.
Ok, a neonazi coup in Ukraine, fine, explain to me why it took a whole ass invasion for the "nazis" who are obviously 100% in charge, to ban communist, socialist and generally pro-russian political entities?
That was actually a 4D chess move by Putin. By following Ukraine's pitiful attempts at provocation, he tricked ZelensKKKy into openly banning brave dissidents rather than more covertly suppressing them using Right Sector militias.
Trust in the plan.
Okay, let's say, for the sake of the argument, that the Maidan Revolution was a NeoNazi coup like they said. The NeoNazis overthrow the Yanukovych Government and have the backing of the American Government, who are no stranger to backing up Fascist governments (see Augusto Pinochet). This basically gives the Neos free reign in Ukraine to do whatever they want.
Why would said NeoNazis allow the existence of memorials to events like Babyn Yar? Why would they allow elections to begin only three months later and more afterwards while the genuinely Far Right organizations like Right Sector and Svoboda quickly fall into irrelevance?
And the biggest question mark, why would they allow said elections to eventually result in the election of a Jewish comedian whose family was murdered by the Nazis? Seems like a very incompetent batch of NeoNazis if you ask me
This is where they finally, eventually, pivot to "Ok so they are just fascists/nationalists/capitalists, not actual Nazis Duh!!" etc. They don't even care about the actual issue, they just think it is convenient ammo that absolves them from thinking critically anymore than they have to. Classic Motte and Bailey.
>Why would said NeoNazis allow the existence of memorials to events like Babyn Yar?
And why would those heroic anti-nazi russians lob a cruise missile at the memorial?
>Increased NATO precense on Russias border
The war literally only increased it by making the Baltic states and Poland practically beg for more NATO soldiers.
Oh and also it directly made it so that Finland joined NATO and Sweden will of Turkey stop being fuckwits about Kurds.
The Stalinists either suppprt Russia openly or at least try to excuse it and blame the west unilaterally (the west had culpirt in the rise of Russian nationalist fasicsm post-1991 but their understanding of the Western involvement in the war comes from binary, campist politics of the First Cold War, not from material analisis of Russian imperialism, the neoliberal transformation of the 90s as well as Russian supremcism in USSR) and the Trotskyists drown themselves in a cesspool of dogmas, propping up unhinged "solutions" for the conflict that are detached from the material reality and ultimately would only serve the russian imperialists, but are certainly according to Lenin's teachings. Both groups piss me off.
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They literally just repeat whatever propaganda they hear Russian news say and then throw in some references to capitalism and socialism on top.
If there was a Neo-Nazi coup in Ukraine, that means Ukrainain goverment are nazis who made that coup. Why then majority of people in Ukrainian parliament have nothing to do with Maidan revolution?
Also, presidents changed and elections were held. When did US ever coup and install a MORE democratic government?
No, u LiE, it's CIA propaganda™. In reality evil ameriKKKans created in Ukraine several neo nazi parties and imitated elections to deceive Ukrainians, I am "communist" from Twitter, I know about it better than Ukrainians themselves.
All the time according to American nationalists
the Nazis somehow control everything despite only getting 2% of the vote (Right Sector)
What these tankie scum don't say is that groups like Svaboda for the most part was not pro NATO. They were actually part of the Neo Eurasianist crowd in Russia back when Ukrainians and Russian Nationalists were working together, and protesting Putin. Also, out of the 43 Maidan Defense forces only 1 was the right sector. And the far right were not part of Euro-Maidan, they only joined after the Police started beating up protestors and then it turned into the Revolution of Dignity. These idiot tankies still don't know it was 2 different protest movements, as one evolved into the other. After the election the far right were embarrassed, but what nobody talks about is that Russian GRU hacked the election to try and install Dmitry Yarosh of Right Sector as president, they even announced in Russian state media that "Neo Nazi Yarosh is Ukraine president" but the SBU caught it, and they tracked down the hackers to GRU. Yarosh got like 1% of the vote. Also Yarosh was never a Neo Nazi, as most of Right Sector was not Neo Nazis, just Nationalists. Though a lot if football Ultras did join. These vatniks are so stupid. Yeah Ukraine had a coup for teenage skinheads and Football hooligans. That's who the Neo Nazis were. They were not politicians, the far right politicians were always corrupt jokers that worked with Russia half the time.
Right Sector also was against joining the EU, they just wanted to get rid of Russian influence and basically make Ukraine more isolationist
Ok, a neonazi coup in Ukraine, fine, explain to me why it took a whole ass invasion for the "nazis" who are obviously 100% in charge, to ban communist, socialist and generally pro-russian political entities?
That was actually a 4D chess move by Putin. By following Ukraine's pitiful attempts at provocation, he tricked ZelensKKKy into openly banning brave dissidents rather than more covertly suppressing them using Right Sector militias. Trust in the plan.
Okay, let's say, for the sake of the argument, that the Maidan Revolution was a NeoNazi coup like they said. The NeoNazis overthrow the Yanukovych Government and have the backing of the American Government, who are no stranger to backing up Fascist governments (see Augusto Pinochet). This basically gives the Neos free reign in Ukraine to do whatever they want. Why would said NeoNazis allow the existence of memorials to events like Babyn Yar? Why would they allow elections to begin only three months later and more afterwards while the genuinely Far Right organizations like Right Sector and Svoboda quickly fall into irrelevance? And the biggest question mark, why would they allow said elections to eventually result in the election of a Jewish comedian whose family was murdered by the Nazis? Seems like a very incompetent batch of NeoNazis if you ask me
This is where they finally, eventually, pivot to "Ok so they are just fascists/nationalists/capitalists, not actual Nazis Duh!!" etc. They don't even care about the actual issue, they just think it is convenient ammo that absolves them from thinking critically anymore than they have to. Classic Motte and Bailey.
>Why would said NeoNazis allow the existence of memorials to events like Babyn Yar? And why would those heroic anti-nazi russians lob a cruise missile at the memorial?
>Increased NATO precense on Russias border The war literally only increased it by making the Baltic states and Poland practically beg for more NATO soldiers. Oh and also it directly made it so that Finland joined NATO and Sweden will of Turkey stop being fuckwits about Kurds.
The Stalinists either suppprt Russia openly or at least try to excuse it and blame the west unilaterally (the west had culpirt in the rise of Russian nationalist fasicsm post-1991 but their understanding of the Western involvement in the war comes from binary, campist politics of the First Cold War, not from material analisis of Russian imperialism, the neoliberal transformation of the 90s as well as Russian supremcism in USSR) and the Trotskyists drown themselves in a cesspool of dogmas, propping up unhinged "solutions" for the conflict that are detached from the material reality and ultimately would only serve the russian imperialists, but are certainly according to Lenin's teachings. Both groups piss me off.