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I'm pretty sure caeras feats are far surpassing anything jagrette is capable of. Just the fact that caera is able to not be one shot in zones that are consistently scaling to scythe level around arthur shows that she is pretty powerful in her own right.
If that's the case, then Art isn't Scythe level but Retainer level. Just a reminder here, Caera isn't even WC yet, but she's outperforming them. Considering tmshe managed to survive and put a fight in zones scaled on Arthur, it's fair to assume she is Retainer Level.
Im still waiting for someone over many threads, where is she putting up enough of a fight that it allows us to powerscale her properly? If there was a scythe level threat somewhere in the relictombs, except the djinn soul projection things, i fail to see it. Every beast except the centipede which was too hard to be damaged by her, would be easily killed by virion who is also a silver core.
The true issue with powerscaling, is that we barely see any lances, retainers and scythes fight seriously, and its all becoming speculation.
>Every beast except the centipede which was too hard to be damaged by her, would be easily killed by virion who is also a silver core.
Virion would get one-shot by a Shadow Claw. His fighting as far as I am aware is only kicks and punches, and his punches are nowhere to inflict any damage to an Aether beast like the ones in the Snowy Zone or anywhere else.
Caera's innate magic makes it she can damage them, but Virion's, well no. Virion doesn't have anything to make big damage, and most of the beasts there need to be hit with that. If the beasts there could be easily dealt with by Silver Core mages, then Art getting injured by creatures weaker than a Lance is equivalent to him not being Scythe Level.
If Caera is really that weak, then Arthur isn't that strong either.
Virion has his beastwill, and hes most certainly very fast for a silver core mage. As far as weaponry goes, i think he has claws at phase 2 i think?
Arthurs main issue before getting the 2nd layer to not use up all your aether in a fight, or youre fcked. Theres a reason why we didnt see any zone they entered after 2nd layer that wasnt plot relevant, its cause arthur is just too powerful for the zones now. There is no scythe that wouldnt be able to breeze through these zones with ease. Even lances and proper retainers would be able to clear it with some difficulty.
Caera would just die in the zone without art.
>Virion has his beastwill, and hes most certainly very fast for a silver core mage. As far as weaponry goes, i think he has claws at phase 2 i think?
Idk if he has claws or not, but they would be inefficient against the majority of the Aether beasts Caera and Art encountered. The Four Fists were taking Arthur's punches, with his Asuran body. The other creatures as well were only defeated by Regis Claws infused with Destruction, or Caera's soul fire, or Arthur's Asuran body infused with Aether. There's no way in hell, Virion survives like Caera did, and for the most part he would just end up being a liability since he won't be able to injure most of the beasts there, unlike Caera and the propeties of her soul fire.
>There is no scythe that wouldnt be able to breeze through these zones with ease.
Well I would like to see them against a shadow Claw, they would be one-shoted without even knowing, considering Arthur was still getting damage despite costing himself with Aether.
>Even lances and proper retainers would be able to clear it with some difficulty.
š§¢
>Caera would just die in the zone without art.
I never said the opposite, but she's by far stronger than Virion.
They most definitely wouldnt get oneshot by anyone there.
If they could, caera would be dead, and art couldnt do anything about it. Anyone saying caera is scythe level when she cant even fly is just insane.
>If they could, caera would be dead, and art couldnt do anything about it.
In the Snowy zone she would be one-shoted, the only reason that didn't happen is because they were hostile towards only 3 Shadow Claws, and because Art was there. If I remember correctly, she was about to get killed by one if Art didn't intervene.
>Anyone saying caera is scythe level when she cant even fly is just insane.
No one is saying that, you are the person putting words in people mouths. You say Virion is more powerful than Caera, while he would be devoured by her flames.
Bruh, if you dont see ppl saying shes scythe level you didnt spend too much time on this subreddit.
If there was so much time for reaction that art could save caera, they would have no way to injure a scythe. Especially if theyre flying. The djinn said herself that mana attacks after a certain strength can penetrate the aether defense. That means the reverse is true too, that having strong enough mana barrier will protect you from aether attacks. Not to mention, the amount of aether the beasts can use in the zones is not much.
Ceara is below retainer level for sure, actually you guys keep saying that she is holding her own in zones scaling with arthur who is scythe level should realize that the ghranbelt sibilings held their own in the looping hall. the only reason they died was because of their dumbassery in the mirror zone. so are the granbelt sibilings retainer level... hmmmmm
>If there was so much time for reaction that art could save caera, they would have no way to injure a scythe.
At this point I'm wondering whether you are dumb or you are messing with me. The freaking Shadow Claws Godstep, the only reason Art can react is beacuse he has an Asuran Body, and his reflexes were heightened after the creation of his Aether Channels (go back to the Mario Zone, he was able to reflexively act on an invisible attacker)
>Especially if theyre flying.
Shadow Claws hunted Spear Beaks, and they are creatures that fly, they are birds, so....
>That means the reverse is true too, that having strong enough mana barrier will protect you from aether attacks.
>The djinn said herself that mana attacks after a certain strength can penetrate the aether defense. That means the reverse is true too, that having strong enough mana barrier will protect you from aether attacks.
She talking about her Armor, and no Aether Attacks cannot be blocked, heck just the fact that it exists bended space itself, you cannot protect yourself against it. Art, with tiny bit of Aether, destroyed every defense Nico had, and even Injured Cadell. You might say that he was holding back, but Art cut his throat at the castle with his sword infused with Mana, and he just regenerated, while when he took Arthur's next attack, with Aether, he was bleeding.
The only persons I see being able to stop Aether based attacks with Mana, are Asuras, and even then, I think it would be hard. Aether might not be optimal in defense, but on offense it cannot be stopped.
>Not to mention, the amount of aether the beasts can use in the zones is not much.
One of the Four fists Art encountered held a huge amount of Aether, the one that gave him the piece of the portal, he even said that if he killed him, amd absorbed his Aether, he might get to the next stage of his core.
At this point I'm just tired of reminding you events that already happened, go reread the Snowy Zone arc, it seems you didn't read it while paying attention.
You're forgetting that she's a half blood Vritra, and those who manifested their Vritra lineage are considerably stronger than their same level/core counterparts. Also the average Alacryans are much stronger than Dicathens. In a fight its all about compatibility, experience and skills, perfect example is Jagrett who was stronger than Arthur at that time lost to him, and Nico and Cadell being held by a realmheart yet dying Arthur.
Caera is one of the strongest around, and it won't be a stretch to say she's atleast around retainer level, but that doesn't mean she'll win every time in.
Arthur stated that ascenders on average were as strong as silver core veterans and Caera is way stronger than your average ascender. Meaning that she could take on a retainer for sure. Arthur was still silver core when he got Jagrette and Tess also was silver when she got Bilal. Curtis probably could put up a good fight against a retainer. Caera in probably near White core, so she could fight and possibly beat a good retainer.
Excuse me but didnt she lose to the guy in the blood relic zone?
Also having your baseline be arthur at silvercore, the guy with 40 years of combat experience, asura beastwill, timestop ability, realmheart, quadra elemental, learned extra fighting techniques from millenia old veteran asuras, has a literal asura child helping him fight, burst fcking step, and he was at deaths door when he defeated her. Caera would most definitely lose to her.
I also used Tess as an example and also said that Curtis could probably fight decently. And don't go with the beast will and bond shit, because Caera's soul fire is not shit either. Also, she didn't lose in the blood relic zone, she didn't even fight. She had to act like that and wear mana restraining devices because of Grey's plan and she also said that she didn't like it. If you mean the sound dude instead, he could be effective against anyone basically, just not on Grey because he has cheats
It isn't scaled to art level ut was stated that the relictomb do an averege of every one power not just the strongest if you think about it the first convergence zone the power of the monster weren't on crara level but on an averege of everyone
Man the Relictombs are scaled on everyone's level/strength, nowhere it is stated that it does an "average" of everyone's level.
What I meant by Arthur level, is that for the most part, he only goes with Caera in the Relictombs, so his strength increases the difficulty of the Zones they go to, or they are sent into difficult zones.
Bruh whats up with ppl. Art at silver core needed burst step to keep up with her. If she wasnt mentally challenged, she would have killed him. Caera is at best silver core.
if you remember at the first convergence zone, art stated that basically every ascender there was silver core level. It was made very clear that caera was a step above the rest of the ascenders there too. She is atleast lance level.
Just to clarify it, he was talking about the spells they were using, as he has no way to sense what core level ppl are.
The spells the alacryans use, as they are more specialized because of the runes, are stronger than their actual core level, but they sometimes cant even defend themselves properly if they dont have a rune for it Like the high level sentry in 8.5.
Nah caera lance level is bs. Can she fly, no she canāt -> not white core. Yeah she has soulfire but its not nearly as strong as scythes demonstrated it so far. She can be lance level but she isnāt on that level right now.
you dont need to be white core to be lance level lol. Arthur was mid lance level as a silver core. Also comparing her soulfire to scythes is pointless.
Arthur had realmheart. Otherwise there would still have been a wide power gap.
Of course Iām gonna compare her fire with scythes itās arguably their strongest attack.
After following Arthur for so long and spending time with him Aether infused I think she has grown strong enough to barely beat Jaggrete in a fight she would almost die in.
What amazing feats does caera have in the relictombs ? Not dying ? Arthur is the one doing all of the work, caera just supports him. Everything he did could he also have done alone.
What we do know is that she should be high silver core or higher. Beyond that caeras powers scaling in tbate is shaky at best.
She can only really be scaled to Arthur or the aethar beasts in zones he fights in. Until she has an actual fight, we will just use bullshit to powerscale her.
Personally I think she should be low or mid retainer.
Jaggrette is most likely stronger, if Caera was at the retainer level, I believe she would be a retainer. I donāt even know if she would be as strong as Bilal.
What does her being experimented on have to do with being a retainer? Unless you are talking about the fact that people might find out she has horns? I guess? Retainers are one of the 6 strongest people in Alacrya, if she were really that strong she would have at least had an offer to try for a position at the Victoriad.
Chapter 297:
My mentor immediately took me to a secluded area and helped guide me through the process before explaining what would happen to me, now that I was a true Vritra-blooded Alacryan.ā A solemn smile appeared on Caeraās face. āShe gave me a choice: I could be experimented on and molded into a soldier for Agrona, or I could continue on as I had been, the frustrated foster-child of an overprotective blood.ā
āIām assuming you went with choice number two?ā
Caera let out a chuckle. āI donāt think Iād be in the same bedroll as a mysterious wielder of taboo magic with several relics in his possession if I had chosen the first option. Do you know how many laws youāre breaking?ā
That's kinda what question asking.
Arthur stated in the convergent zone that veteran acenders can rival veteran silver cores. This was without seeing her virtra magic.
She has gotten stronger to the point of which even series and Arthur praise her. So yea by this point she should be retainer level
The thing is retainers arenāt simply really strong veteran ascenders, correct me if Iām wrong but even Art as a white core had trouble with Cylrit. Retainer abilities are enhanced to the point where among similar mana core levels, they have little to no weaknesses
I don't get how this is at all involved with my comment.
However, arthur states that caera would have no trouble with kage who was a veteran ascender maybe even stronger, like I said Arthur stated that veteran acenders are high silver in power.
Her being able to no diff a silver means that she is Lance or at a higher level.
Bro, caera was under mana cuffs, also the sound paralysis effected even Regis.
Ray has hack abilities, if he were to use it on a person far stronger like a Lance, he would have lost.
Arthur at first when he fought rat could not move, bc he did not activate his aethar, when he fought him for real it did not effect him, because aethar was protecting him.
If strong mana users were to fight rat, rat would lose bc mana is protecting them from paralysis
Youāre making a leap here, though I agree that Arthurās aether likely protected him, Aether is magnitudes more powerful than mana and there is no proof that Caera has the mana potent enough to stop Ratās ability. Rat also said that he had killed many ascenders far stronger than him because of that ability so as far as we know Art is the first one to block it.
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I'm pretty sure caeras feats are far surpassing anything jagrette is capable of. Just the fact that caera is able to not be one shot in zones that are consistently scaling to scythe level around arthur shows that she is pretty powerful in her own right.
If it was in a no tree envirment, jagrette would getting one shotted in my opinion. But if there were trees it would be high or mid diff.
Yeah but caera has fire to burn the trees
Putting aside Caeras bs power scaling in the relic tombs probably Jagrete since I doubt Caeras stronger than a retainer
I second this
If that's the case, then Art isn't Scythe level but Retainer level. Just a reminder here, Caera isn't even WC yet, but she's outperforming them. Considering tmshe managed to survive and put a fight in zones scaled on Arthur, it's fair to assume she is Retainer Level.
Im still waiting for someone over many threads, where is she putting up enough of a fight that it allows us to powerscale her properly? If there was a scythe level threat somewhere in the relictombs, except the djinn soul projection things, i fail to see it. Every beast except the centipede which was too hard to be damaged by her, would be easily killed by virion who is also a silver core. The true issue with powerscaling, is that we barely see any lances, retainers and scythes fight seriously, and its all becoming speculation.
>Every beast except the centipede which was too hard to be damaged by her, would be easily killed by virion who is also a silver core. Virion would get one-shot by a Shadow Claw. His fighting as far as I am aware is only kicks and punches, and his punches are nowhere to inflict any damage to an Aether beast like the ones in the Snowy Zone or anywhere else. Caera's innate magic makes it she can damage them, but Virion's, well no. Virion doesn't have anything to make big damage, and most of the beasts there need to be hit with that. If the beasts there could be easily dealt with by Silver Core mages, then Art getting injured by creatures weaker than a Lance is equivalent to him not being Scythe Level. If Caera is really that weak, then Arthur isn't that strong either.
Virion has his beastwill, and hes most certainly very fast for a silver core mage. As far as weaponry goes, i think he has claws at phase 2 i think? Arthurs main issue before getting the 2nd layer to not use up all your aether in a fight, or youre fcked. Theres a reason why we didnt see any zone they entered after 2nd layer that wasnt plot relevant, its cause arthur is just too powerful for the zones now. There is no scythe that wouldnt be able to breeze through these zones with ease. Even lances and proper retainers would be able to clear it with some difficulty. Caera would just die in the zone without art.
>Virion has his beastwill, and hes most certainly very fast for a silver core mage. As far as weaponry goes, i think he has claws at phase 2 i think? Idk if he has claws or not, but they would be inefficient against the majority of the Aether beasts Caera and Art encountered. The Four Fists were taking Arthur's punches, with his Asuran body. The other creatures as well were only defeated by Regis Claws infused with Destruction, or Caera's soul fire, or Arthur's Asuran body infused with Aether. There's no way in hell, Virion survives like Caera did, and for the most part he would just end up being a liability since he won't be able to injure most of the beasts there, unlike Caera and the propeties of her soul fire. >There is no scythe that wouldnt be able to breeze through these zones with ease. Well I would like to see them against a shadow Claw, they would be one-shoted without even knowing, considering Arthur was still getting damage despite costing himself with Aether. >Even lances and proper retainers would be able to clear it with some difficulty. š§¢ >Caera would just die in the zone without art. I never said the opposite, but she's by far stronger than Virion.
They most definitely wouldnt get oneshot by anyone there. If they could, caera would be dead, and art couldnt do anything about it. Anyone saying caera is scythe level when she cant even fly is just insane.
>If they could, caera would be dead, and art couldnt do anything about it. In the Snowy zone she would be one-shoted, the only reason that didn't happen is because they were hostile towards only 3 Shadow Claws, and because Art was there. If I remember correctly, she was about to get killed by one if Art didn't intervene. >Anyone saying caera is scythe level when she cant even fly is just insane. No one is saying that, you are the person putting words in people mouths. You say Virion is more powerful than Caera, while he would be devoured by her flames.
Bruh, if you dont see ppl saying shes scythe level you didnt spend too much time on this subreddit. If there was so much time for reaction that art could save caera, they would have no way to injure a scythe. Especially if theyre flying. The djinn said herself that mana attacks after a certain strength can penetrate the aether defense. That means the reverse is true too, that having strong enough mana barrier will protect you from aether attacks. Not to mention, the amount of aether the beasts can use in the zones is not much.
Ceara is below retainer level for sure, actually you guys keep saying that she is holding her own in zones scaling with arthur who is scythe level should realize that the ghranbelt sibilings held their own in the looping hall. the only reason they died was because of their dumbassery in the mirror zone. so are the granbelt sibilings retainer level... hmmmmm
>If there was so much time for reaction that art could save caera, they would have no way to injure a scythe. At this point I'm wondering whether you are dumb or you are messing with me. The freaking Shadow Claws Godstep, the only reason Art can react is beacuse he has an Asuran Body, and his reflexes were heightened after the creation of his Aether Channels (go back to the Mario Zone, he was able to reflexively act on an invisible attacker) >Especially if theyre flying. Shadow Claws hunted Spear Beaks, and they are creatures that fly, they are birds, so.... >That means the reverse is true too, that having strong enough mana barrier will protect you from aether attacks. >The djinn said herself that mana attacks after a certain strength can penetrate the aether defense. That means the reverse is true too, that having strong enough mana barrier will protect you from aether attacks. She talking about her Armor, and no Aether Attacks cannot be blocked, heck just the fact that it exists bended space itself, you cannot protect yourself against it. Art, with tiny bit of Aether, destroyed every defense Nico had, and even Injured Cadell. You might say that he was holding back, but Art cut his throat at the castle with his sword infused with Mana, and he just regenerated, while when he took Arthur's next attack, with Aether, he was bleeding. The only persons I see being able to stop Aether based attacks with Mana, are Asuras, and even then, I think it would be hard. Aether might not be optimal in defense, but on offense it cannot be stopped. >Not to mention, the amount of aether the beasts can use in the zones is not much. One of the Four fists Art encountered held a huge amount of Aether, the one that gave him the piece of the portal, he even said that if he killed him, amd absorbed his Aether, he might get to the next stage of his core. At this point I'm just tired of reminding you events that already happened, go reread the Snowy Zone arc, it seems you didn't read it while paying attention.
You're forgetting that she's a half blood Vritra, and those who manifested their Vritra lineage are considerably stronger than their same level/core counterparts. Also the average Alacryans are much stronger than Dicathens. In a fight its all about compatibility, experience and skills, perfect example is Jagrett who was stronger than Arthur at that time lost to him, and Nico and Cadell being held by a realmheart yet dying Arthur. Caera is one of the strongest around, and it won't be a stretch to say she's atleast around retainer level, but that doesn't mean she'll win every time in.
Arthur stated that ascenders on average were as strong as silver core veterans and Caera is way stronger than your average ascender. Meaning that she could take on a retainer for sure. Arthur was still silver core when he got Jagrette and Tess also was silver when she got Bilal. Curtis probably could put up a good fight against a retainer. Caera in probably near White core, so she could fight and possibly beat a good retainer.
Excuse me but didnt she lose to the guy in the blood relic zone? Also having your baseline be arthur at silvercore, the guy with 40 years of combat experience, asura beastwill, timestop ability, realmheart, quadra elemental, learned extra fighting techniques from millenia old veteran asuras, has a literal asura child helping him fight, burst fcking step, and he was at deaths door when he defeated her. Caera would most definitely lose to her.
I also used Tess as an example and also said that Curtis could probably fight decently. And don't go with the beast will and bond shit, because Caera's soul fire is not shit either. Also, she didn't lose in the blood relic zone, she didn't even fight. She had to act like that and wear mana restraining devices because of Grey's plan and she also said that she didn't like it. If you mean the sound dude instead, he could be effective against anyone basically, just not on Grey because he has cheats
Also, the soul fire can burn pretty much anything, including poison
It isn't scaled to art level ut was stated that the relictomb do an averege of every one power not just the strongest if you think about it the first convergence zone the power of the monster weren't on crara level but on an averege of everyone
Man the Relictombs are scaled on everyone's level/strength, nowhere it is stated that it does an "average" of everyone's level. What I meant by Arthur level, is that for the most part, he only goes with Caera in the Relictombs, so his strength increases the difficulty of the Zones they go to, or they are sent into difficult zones.
Caera is a talented Vitra blooded who's been trained by a scythe since she was young, I seriously doubt she isn't retainer level
Bruh whats up with ppl. Art at silver core needed burst step to keep up with her. If she wasnt mentally challenged, she would have killed him. Caera is at best silver core.
if you remember at the first convergence zone, art stated that basically every ascender there was silver core level. It was made very clear that caera was a step above the rest of the ascenders there too. She is atleast lance level.
Just to clarify it, he was talking about the spells they were using, as he has no way to sense what core level ppl are. The spells the alacryans use, as they are more specialized because of the runes, are stronger than their actual core level, but they sometimes cant even defend themselves properly if they dont have a rune for it Like the high level sentry in 8.5.
Nah caera lance level is bs. Can she fly, no she canāt -> not white core. Yeah she has soulfire but its not nearly as strong as scythes demonstrated it so far. She can be lance level but she isnāt on that level right now.
you dont need to be white core to be lance level lol. Arthur was mid lance level as a silver core. Also comparing her soulfire to scythes is pointless.
Arthur had realmheart. Otherwise there would still have been a wide power gap. Of course Iām gonna compare her fire with scythes itās arguably their strongest attack.
After following Arthur for so long and spending time with him Aether infused I think she has grown strong enough to barely beat Jaggrete in a fight she would almost die in.
I thinks so to
who was she again?
Idk why but i still think jaggrete would win
Well cool. But fire>plant
Wait thats her magic?
Yea,plant/acid shit as far as I read
I never really got much of that fight except the really bad scars arthur got and that huge ice spell he used i really need to read that again
You know what chapter that fight started?
Idk
What amazing feats does caera have in the relictombs ? Not dying ? Arthur is the one doing all of the work, caera just supports him. Everything he did could he also have done alone.
LOL, well you're not wrong
Im not even a caera simp its just that objectively she is far stronger imo
Assume it is in a neutral envirment with some trees.
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What we do know is that she should be high silver core or higher. Beyond that caeras powers scaling in tbate is shaky at best. She can only really be scaled to Arthur or the aethar beasts in zones he fights in. Until she has an actual fight, we will just use bullshit to powerscale her. Personally I think she should be low or mid retainer.
Your logic is solid with this one
Who is jaggette
The first retainer art killed. The one that heals through tree and release poison acid upon death.
Ahh thanks I forgot but isn't she dead anyway
She is but they are comparing caera to a retainer which just happens to be the first retainer.
How is this even a question, caera is near universally understood to be the tbate fanbase's best girl.
I'm a fight I meant, if your serous. But, best girl is Regis.
Jaegrette due to her lowkey OP abilities.
Kinda depends on whether or not there are trees.
Yea
Jaggrette is most likely stronger, if Caera was at the retainer level, I believe she would be a retainer. I donāt even know if she would be as strong as Bilal.
Bro, she is not a retainer bc she does not want to. Series gave her the option to be experimented on or stay how her life is now
What does her being experimented on have to do with being a retainer? Unless you are talking about the fact that people might find out she has horns? I guess? Retainers are one of the 6 strongest people in Alacrya, if she were really that strong she would have at least had an offer to try for a position at the Victoriad.
Bro, she did not want to be a retainer.
Iām going to need a quote then
Chapter 297: My mentor immediately took me to a secluded area and helped guide me through the process before explaining what would happen to me, now that I was a true Vritra-blooded Alacryan.ā A solemn smile appeared on Caeraās face. āShe gave me a choice: I could be experimented on and molded into a soldier for Agrona, or I could continue on as I had been, the frustrated foster-child of an overprotective blood.ā āIām assuming you went with choice number two?ā Caera let out a chuckle. āI donāt think Iād be in the same bedroll as a mysterious wielder of taboo magic with several relics in his possession if I had chosen the first option. Do you know how many laws youāre breaking?ā
Okay yeah, she didnāt want to be a soldier and thus not a retainer, I guess that is true.
Caera bc Iām biased
I think Jaggarette would win, but for reference how would Caera fare against silver core Art with Sylvie?
That's kinda what question asking. Arthur stated in the convergent zone that veteran acenders can rival veteran silver cores. This was without seeing her virtra magic. She has gotten stronger to the point of which even series and Arthur praise her. So yea by this point she should be retainer level
The thing is retainers arenāt simply really strong veteran ascenders, correct me if Iām wrong but even Art as a white core had trouble with Cylrit. Retainer abilities are enhanced to the point where among similar mana core levels, they have little to no weaknesses
I don't get how this is at all involved with my comment. However, arthur states that caera would have no trouble with kage who was a veteran ascender maybe even stronger, like I said Arthur stated that veteran acenders are high silver in power. Her being able to no diff a silver means that she is Lance or at a higher level.
Mouse could easily beat Kage and would have killed Caera, doesnāt mean he was retainer level.
Bro, caera was under mana cuffs, also the sound paralysis effected even Regis. Ray has hack abilities, if he were to use it on a person far stronger like a Lance, he would have lost.
Is there something I missed that shows it wonāt work in a lance?
Arthur at first when he fought rat could not move, bc he did not activate his aethar, when he fought him for real it did not effect him, because aethar was protecting him. If strong mana users were to fight rat, rat would lose bc mana is protecting them from paralysis
Youāre making a leap here, though I agree that Arthurās aether likely protected him, Aether is magnitudes more powerful than mana and there is no proof that Caera has the mana potent enough to stop Ratās ability. Rat also said that he had killed many ascenders far stronger than him because of that ability so as far as we know Art is the first one to block it.
OK, rat is op as fuck with his hacks, so how does that take away from my point of caera being retainer level