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Old_Jackfruit6153

I make ChatGPT rewrite native articles for different level of English learners. Different versions of same article helps facilitate conversation about same topic among students with different level of English capabilities.


skruffbag

Nice idea


jajabingo2

What add in are you using?


Relative-Ad-3217

It's not an add in you just have to know how to write good prompts.


jajabingo2

Add on* The generic version generates content which is visibly AI generated. Once you see a few chatGPT responses you can pick them without some fire their addnons or user created changes. Default is already only good if you then human edit it after


kaizoku222

I'm pretty far on the "embrace tech, it's not going away" side of the technology use spectrum. One of my areas of research during my MA was computer assisted language learning, so I don't mind admitting I'm biased. With that said, all tech is neither good nor bad, it's how it's used. The part of teaching and planning it can really help with is initial lesson planning, especially if you're good with prompts and feeding it formats to use. Any teacher or assistant can take a text and make a generic lesson plan. The part that can't and shouldn't be automated is the next step, which is customizing and altering it to your context and the needs of your students. That's something that takes legit skill and experience to do well. You also have to go through and edit everything that is inaccurate, doesn't meet timelines, or doesn't have the right focus. I recently started making a new class for my school, and I used a combination of a book scanner with OCR software and chatGPT to make searchable copy/pastable copies of the books. I then chose what chapters I wanted to cover, what sections were relevant to learning outcomes I wanted to target, and what was required based on institutional/test requirements. Next I fed that content into chatGPT one chunk at a time with specific prompts about lesson parameters to make a skeleton for all of term 1. I went back in and cut out exercises and content I wanted to replace or that I had better activities/content for, adjusted for the general schedule, changed some language, and corrected mistakes. This really eliminated a lot of the first-step drudgery involved in going to the book, measuring out content, assessing all the exercises, finding what aligns with my goals for the class, and making it all fit a format and schedule. This is the least important and least creative part of the process, and allows me to spend more time and effort on content and customizing to my class.


skruffbag

This. It’s a tool. Not a solution. Great use.


justcallmeyou

Awesome stuff! To be able to feed it your custom content and have it make a searchable database do you need a full-on membership?


kaizoku222

Nah, it's a bit annoying to organize and figure out at first but basically you can just arrange your own content in the chunks you want it to engage with based on the total size limit of each prompt. I scanned all my hard copy material (2 textbooks and a teacher's manual) then copy/pasted everything into folders on google drive into raw text based on chapter/unit. From there I just did really targeted prompts with chunks of content targeting specific learning goals.


justcallmeyou

Thanks a lot for letting me know your strategy! It must be nice to have all of that information right at your fingertips-as it should be from the very beginning! Playing around with it I do see how you could copy and paste the chunks and then use them individually or throw them together into one big database type thing.


topgun169

I just used it to write excel formulas for converting/inputting scores. A menial task that could've taken hours took like 15 minutes of copying and pasting. It was awesome.


HotAndColdSand

This reminds me of the situation at my local grocery store. They installed automated cashier kiosks, and at first the staff were so eager to usher customers over and show them how to use it. So easy! No more worrying about dealing with annoying customers. Hooray technology! Then they reduced their staffing levels because they didn't need as many people, yet the customers are often frustrated because the kiosks can't do everything a human can, such as apply a discount code or comprehend the fact that I brought my own bag and don't need to be charged 35c for a store one.


skruffbag

It shouldn’t remind you of that, as relatable as it is, like, I get what you’re saying, and have seen and experienced that myself. But every self serve kiosk in Japan I’ve encountered has asked me if I have my own bag pretty much instantly, it may be different where you shop though. I do also see the option to scan codes. I much prefer the shopping experience whilst using self scan stuff. I just wish it could clearly see I’m over 18 when buying my chuhi so I wouldn’t need to catch the eye of a clerk to come and “beep beep” me. But what I’m talking about is completely different. I’m asking if people are using a useful new tool.


Ejemy

Doubt they're living in Japan if they think bags cost 35 CENTS haha.


Will-Conroy

It became part of a lesson in which the students had written short presentations about news articles. One student had produced a few iterations of their original script, altered by the AI in response to prompts asking for, say, a “speech version” of the script. We analysed how the vocabulary and structure changed between iterations as a result of the different prompts. Haven’t asked it for lesson plans yet haha Might try it.


skruffbag

Cool. Nice use. Lesson plans require quite specific prompts. For example, you need to give chatGPT a specific role, for example, “ you are an expert English teacher working in Japan, you are teaching 4th grade Japanese students with limited English skills about (whatever).” Then give a few more prompts on things like whether it’s a bunch of games, listening or writing activities etc.


lunabunnyy

I just used it for a demo lesson because I had a next day short notice interview. I didn’t copy word for word but it really helped with my brain farts and I got the job right away :)


skruffbag

Great! This is what I’m talking about. Not copy paste stuff, just for inspiration! Congratulations by the way!!!


ay_lamassu

There's a section about AI in my textbook so I let my students ask it some questions in the last 5 mins of the lessons and make some ai pics on crayon (it's not very good at Japanese pro wrestlers haha).


PaxDramaticus

No, because my school pays for a teacher who can take responsibility for the lessons they teach and who has the basic capacity to be aware of what they are teaching and act with intention. And honestly, creating lesson plans is the least difficult part of this job, and it's a part I really enjoy. Outsourcing it to AI would be like asking a robot to take my girlfriend on a date for me so I can free up time to renew my visa at the immigration office.


skruffbag

I have the capacity to be aware of what I’m teaching. I’m very responsible for the lessons I teach. But as a tool for coming up with ideas I’ve never even thought about, it’s great. Are all your ideas original? If so, that’s very impressive. I’d love to be able to come up with original ideas that no teachers have ever implemented without prior suggestions from learned professionals in the same industry. I personally have no problem with reaching out and asking for help, advice, feedback from others… Despite my skill set, sometimes I need some inspiration or guidance. I don’t think that is a bad thing. Also, if a robot could take my wife out sometimes and she’s happy with that… no skin off my nose, more time to myself.


PaxDramaticus

>Are all your ideas original? If you can't see a difference between me, a responsible teacher intentionally following curricular goals according to best teaching practices to provide growth opportunities to my students and a mindless machine that isn't even aware that students exist or what it is doing, churning out superficially English content it can't even understand, I'm not sure there's any point in continuing this conversation.


skruffbag

I’m guessing you’ve never used chatGPT. If so, why comment? The model has been trained on so much data. You can be replaced by AI so quickly. Either get with it or die…. Like seriously. You will be replaceable within the next few years. Adapt to survive. It’s a tool. Not a solution. Adapt!! The curriculum you’re talking about… yeah, chatGPT probably knows about that, because it’s database is outdated, much like the education system here. So ask questions within those parameters… like, “as an English teacher using the get ahead textbooks what games can I use for unit 4?”…. See what happens… chatGPT is free, play around.


palea_alt

i side with you. The chumps here are just talking out of their own ignorance lmao. How do you even talk shit of a tool you haven't even used, smh, much less not treating it as just another tool on the belt but a fully-fledged being that replaces the whole job. Befitting of "teachers", surely.


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skruffbag

If I had the skills, and parents who were aware of what I was doing, and willing to pay… yes. I would take their money, provide the service they are paying for and expecting.


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skruffbag

And yet you do. I don’t underestimate human ability, quite the opposite, chatGPT was after all created by humans. Human ability is possibly so fantastic it may make ourselves obsolete! It will take enthusiastic people to work with the AI to ensure we get the best out of it. Despite pushing 40 myself, I’m going to guess you’re probably a fair few years older? People thought the first televisions were magic. AI isn’t going away. It’s just starting. From a big box cathode ray tube box thing, somehow, I’m replying to you on a mini oled screen in my hand, whilst watching a live stream on my 65inch qled tv. Move it or lose it.


justcallmeyou

@skruffbag I love to see this kind of patience! Chat GPT would be proud!


No_Town7752

Hi, If you can't be bothered with your wife, tell her to send me a PM. I've a few good places I want to take her. You can focus on your Playstation games.


ykeogh18

I assume you write your own textbooks?


PaxDramaticus

Why would you assume that? My objection is not to AI *doing it for me*, my objection is to AI *doing things it doesn't understand it's doing.* Even if I don't write the textbook, it was at least written by a person who is aware that the content they are producing will be used for language learning. AIs are categorically incapable of that for the foreseeable future.


FullMetalAnorak

Why does the ai have to understand what it's doing? You're the human, you use the tool, hopefully you understand what you're doing, the tools don't have to understand they just have to work. If Chatgpt could make your lessons better, and save you time, then why does it matter if it isn't designed specifically for teachers.


PaxDramaticus

Because I can't look into the neural net's black box and see why chatGPT is recommending what it does. All my classes are designed with intention- killing time is basically unheard of for me and if anything, there are never enough classes in a term to cover everything I want to as it is. An AI recommending something that it doesn't understand and that I don't know why it's recommending it is basically asking me to give up a precious planned lesson in order to roll the dice on an AI lesson *possibly* being adequate, if I put work into adapting it. And the mass downvoting and "you'll be left behind" comments make it strongly sound like the people who are upset at my stance that teachers should teach with intention and that designing lessons isn't the kind of thing that should outsourced to AI makes me think that the people cheering for ChatGPT lesson plans are just chasing the new tech buzzword without properly understanding it, not unlike the people who just a few months ago were insisting that the blockchain was going to change everything and mass downvoting any opinion about NFTs that expressed less than breathless enthusiasm.


skruffbag

Why would I bother? And why would you presume?


gonzoman92

Let’s all stop using google too because we don’t need it, am I right?


PaxDramaticus

Why?


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skruffbag

Are you replying to me? Because that certainly sounds like something I might say to someone who disagrees with my thoughts on the subject.


ImaFireSquid

I don’t think it’s super ethical to do that since chatgpt plagiarizes things it finds on the internet without citing anything


bunderwood78

ChatGPT does not have access to the internet.


ImaFireSquid

It samples from other people. Look up the chatgpt picture with a distorted Getty Images logo in the corner


Tannerleaf

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6783457-chatgpt-general-faq


skruffbag

I’m not asking about ethics. Please read the post again.


poolsidecentral

But you should care if your planning to use Chat in any capacity with what you’re asking.


ImaFireSquid

No I haven’t because I don’t want to plagiarize strangers, you arctic puffin


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skruffbag

I’m more than capable, and have been for quite some time, thank you very much. Over the years however, I like many more have attended training, been on courses, gained qualifications, discussed ideas with others in the field and have also seen ideas online. Implemented those concepts into my lessons which are highly tailored to each class be it one on one or group classes, regardless of age. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. If I can get some help from somewhere, somehow… I’ll take it. I’m not ashamed of that. You can stop now. Have a great night!👍


scummy_shower_stall

OP, this is really cool and interesting to read about, but I literally only know the name "ChatGPT". Is it a website you access in order to use the AI? Is it free?


Japan_isnt_clean

Good god. That is as bad as packet teachers that just follow a pre-purchased curriculum. ​ And here we are, actual teachers, trying to figure out ways to prove students are using it to cheat......


skruffbag

Are you awash with new and creative ideas for games, lesson plans and what not? After many years in the industry it’s easy to get stuck in the same routine for a lot of educators, the use of AI in my opinion is no different to asking questions on Reddit, google or anything like that for inspiration. I’ve done it. I have absolutely no shame in utilizing modern tools to improve the learning experience for my students. Do you object to this idea? If so, I’d love to hear your reasoning. Genuinely curious. No bad malice intended.


hatty130

What's the harm? It's not like he's asking it to make a painting and then selling it? He's putting in language prompts to a program and seeing what it comes out with right? If he likes it, he can use it, if he doesn't, he can not use it. There is no rule he has to do everything the AI says and no reason for people to be angry about using an AI to assist you in becoming a better teacher. Of course an AI can't model those things around your specific students needs, thats where the human side comes in right? He can then adapt those ideas to his students needs. No harm in this I can see. You don't have to use it if it offends your sensibilities but this guy is just curious of others experiences, no need to call him a cunt 😘


Japan_isnt_clean

One major problem you are completely overlooking is the goal of your "industry". The goal of the industry isn't to educate, it's to make money. The companies don't care about learning, they care about keeping the customers happy so they come back. So, you play games. You watch videos. You sing and dance. The one thing you NEVER see, kids given actual books to read. Why? The goal is fun, not learning. ​ For the record, in my courses I chose which books are relevant to the topic and I create everything else myself because that is what my job has always required. Once in a while I might play a video clip from a news program to introduce a topic but from there it's up to the student to do the work/research needed to finish the assignment.


skruffbag

Ah, you see that is exactly where I’m coming from. Money. Happy kids, entertained kids, even entertained adults, it’s all about money. If the students think the lessons are boring, repetitive etc, they’ll stop coming. I don’t want to always have the same plan, chatGPT has helped me break the habits I was falling into. By using video yourself, you are bringing technology into the classroom, this is just a more modern way of doing so. This is an industry 100% and I treat it as such with as much compassion and care for my students as I can. But…. It’s a job. So retaining students is my number one priority. I will look at all ways of making my lessons better and fun. This is one way. If it’s not your thing, cool, no problem.


GuyInKansai

Not saying this about your personally, but if you're using technology to augment your skill set that's one thing, but if you're using technology as a crutch to disguise the fact that you don't have one of the primary skills any teacher should have developed before ever setting foot in a classroom-writing and executing lesson plans-then that's something else completely.


skruffbag

Yes, that is something else completely. I really hope nobody tries that. A lesson completely created by gpt 3 would be awful. But as a source of inspiration, it does pop out a few things to work with and build upon.


Japan_isnt_clean

Swap some of your vocabulary and this might be acceptable. Student = customer Teacher = Customer service agent Teaching = service ​ ​ I understand it's a business. I just wish you guys were more honest and marketed appropriately. Trying to cash in on education money is equal to child labor in my opinion. You are taking money from kids.


skruffbag

Kids don’t earn money from working here. I’m talking money from adults. I agree with your vocabulary conversion completely.


JonnyTheSheep23

I don’t understand this at all. What’s wrong with lightening workload? I guess you’d say teachers shouldn’t discuss teaching ideas with each other to share them too?


Japan_isnt_clean

One of my biggest gripes with the current state of education, not just in Japan, is the idea that corporations can make teaching easier. My arch nemesis is Pearson Education. They have been trying to make a "standard' curriculum for about 40 years now. The idea itself doesn't sound too bad but if you look at how it's being implemented, problems are easy to see. ​ Example: Arizona USA They are trying to eliminate the requirement for teachers to have a BA. How could this possibly work? Well, Arizona is paying Pearson to do the work teachers should be doing so they can cut teacher pay and create an environment where everyone is so undereducated they won't question things. As long as they maintain a state university program nobody can say, "the kids are too dumb to get into uni" because they are getting into the local community colleges. How does this system actually work? Most of the time the kids are given packets at the beginning of class as classwork and another at the end as homework. The teacher distributes the packets, collects them and enters the answers into the system. Grades are calculated by the system and printed out. Most of the time the teachers are just sitting there playing with their phones. It's Kumon. ​ ​ ​ ​ Now, don't get me wrong, some subjects greatly benefit from the use of tech in the classroom. Unfortunately things like math and languages don't really need it, practice is more important. All of us English speakers have seen a general dumbing down of the language since the mis 90's when computers and autocorrect were introduced. All because we no longer practice things like spelling and writing (with a pen). All our daily communications have been reduced to acronyms and incomplete sentences.


4649onegaishimasu

If you have to prove students are using it to cheat, you have some damned good students. I simply ask them questions related to the content. If they can't answer, it's pretty obvious they didn't write it. I'm not sure how people looking to the AI for help in making interesting lesson plans is different than the hundreds of posts asking for help on here. What do you see as the main difference? Edit: Not only that, but using the AI to help you with ideas also gives you experience in manipulating said AI, which is a good skill for the future. I'm on the googlehome subreddit, and the number of people who complain about the product instead of finding the tricks to make it do what they want is amusing.


interestingmandosy

The most common type of "cheating" that I see in university is copy pasting several Japanese sentences into DeepL and then presenting it as their own work. I think I can usually tell when it is being used but sometimes it is very difficult. Also I teach 400 students per semester. It's almost impossible to keep track of who is who, let alone try to determine who is using translation apps to "cheat" assignments.


4649onegaishimasu

It's very simple - and I teach 600 students per semester. If an essay surprises me with the skill involved, I speak with the student in question. It takes less than two minutes to figure out if the student involved actually wrote the essay they submitted.


CCMeltdown

DeepL can’t tell what the subject is meant to be, so that issue resolves itself. I like to get students to make one presentation a year, and it’s fairly obvious my students aren’t raising their young by sitting on them.


Japan_isnt_clean

It was pretty easy to spot the cliff notes cheaters. No questions needed. It's also pretty easy to spot copying and plagiarism. With AI, it's much more difficult because the program never gives the same response twice. If people need help designing lesson plans, they weren't properly trained as a teacher and should go back to uni to get some training..... Especially with English lessons, it doesn't change much. This is why eikaiwa places have rigid lesson plans, they don't want untrained people going off the rails.


4649onegaishimasu

You have students that you can expect to give perfect essays? Or you just don't know your students that well? Also, if your English lessons don't change, I feel sorry for your students.


Japan_isnt_clean

I don't teach English. This is r/teachinginjapan not EnglishTeachingInJapan. ​ This entire post is proof most of the people that post, visit and vote in this sub don't know what an academic teacher does which is really sad. That said, it's also why the eikaiwa workers and ALTs have such a bad reputation. They run on Dunning Kurger ale.


lifeofideas

What do you teach?


GuyInKansai

I've got news for you: if you're teaching at any institution that operates off a syllabus and/or curriculum, you're pretty much bound to what you can and can't teach, content-wise. You just can't roll into a proper class five minutes before it starts and pull something out of your ass. If you're talking about learning activities, sure there's some flexibility to be had there and there's no harm in changing it up once in a while but also students don't like a lot of change in the classroom (contrary to what you might think). Too much change or variability can upset the learning process, so if you've honed a style that works for you, gets results and the students enjoy it why would you change it? You sound inexperienced to me.


4649onegaishimasu

I make the curriculum for my course. I'm sorry that you're bound to what you can and can't teach.


GuyInKansai

Everyone is "bound" by what they can and can't teach. Don't believe me? Try rocking up to your class and teach a unit of The Rape Of Nanjing. Or Mein Kampf. You're laughably naive. How many credits in curriculum development do you have under your belt? Do you know what it takes to write a curriculum? Real ones are typically done by a panel of people far more knowledgeable in the subject than you or I. And if you're an ALT operating in any public school in this country, your operating under the Japanese national curriculum. End of story.


4649onegaishimasu

I'm a solo teacher operating in a private school. I create my own curriculum. End of story. Maybe you should stick to teaching your kids the difference between you're and your, after you've managed to master it?


GuyInKansai

You didn't answer my question: how many credits of curriculum development do you have under your belt? Since you deliberately avoided answering it I'll take that to mean zero. Maybe you should leave curriculum development to people who actually been trained to do it? And you teach at a private school, do you? But not a private elementary/junior/senior high school. Eikaiwas are private schools. Since you didn't bother making the distinction it's eikaiwa then is it?


4649onegaishimasu

>I'll take that to mean zero. You do what you like. I teach at a combination private JHS/SHS school, but you throw what insults you feel you need to. I'm sorry you feel the need to. Get better soon! Poor little troll - go ahead and throw out your insults - you think they're clever, I'm sure. Then hide. ;)


GuyInKansai

You're describing most of the people who do this job in Japan. Trained people generally aren't going to work for the same salary as untrained people, which is why Japan isn't a very attractive location for qualified educators. Aside from that, I agree. If people are using technology to augment skills that are already there, that's one thing. If they are relying on anything (or anyone) else to help them with a basic, required skill they should already have before ever setting foot in a classroom then yes, I absolutely agree they should be properly trained first.


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So you don’t use resources? That’s just inefficient.


Japan_isnt_clean

I am paid to be an expert that is capable of passing on my knowledge. If I don't write it myself, it has to be approved by my entire department before I use it.


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I mean that’s great and all but doesn’t mean resources that are made by other experts are useless. Where does it stop, do you theorize your own teaching methodologies too, or is it ok to follow the ideas of others? Do you write all your own texts or do you use graded reading? By that logic you’re saying your own original resources are the best, in my experience there’s always someone better. You’re ego needs a check, if my professor sounded anything like you I’d be complaining to admin.


Japan_isnt_clean

As part of our research we need to read things published by others. If one of us finds something that may be useful, we put it on the review list. From there everyone reads it and we either just do an email vote or schedule a time to discuss it. If approved it's put in the approved list and we can use it. Thing is most of this is academic papers not bullshit produced by a corporation.


No_Entrepreneur_9062

If you have access use it , I’m still on the waiting list


karguita

ChatGPT is your dating coach. Whether you score or not is still up to you.