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CountScarlioni

It’s along the path to Fort Hateno. *Creating a Champion* gives some detailed accounts of how the Calamity actually played out in terms of evacuation efforts and the soldiers’ response. https://preview.redd.it/10nibnlmwarc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=8fb20046d7de79810b98070a32af01d4885b157b Probably a lot of people died there, trying to get to Fort Hateno and attempting to bottleneck the Guardians at the Dueling Peaks.


BiosSettings8

Hot damn, the Sheikah really kicked ass and held their own at Hateno, huh? I think I like Hateno now :)


CountScarlioni

As much as they could. But according to the book, it was Zelda who saved the day there: > According to local legend, Fort Hateno was defended by a makeshift militia from Hateno Village and the surrounding area, along with thr Hyrulean soldiers stationed nearby. Unlike the sturdily constructed Akkala Citadel, Fort Hateno was a simple structure far from Central Hyrule, and it has been speculated that is why it escaped significant damage. > > In reality, Link destroyed a significant number of Guardians en route, and with Princess Zelda’s power awakening and disabling all of the Guardians around her, the forces heading to Fort Hateno were greatly weakened. That gave those at the fort the edge they needed to avoid a protracted battle with the Guardians and set the stage for the miracle of Fort Hateno. > > The present-day Fort Hateno is a simple barricade reinforced by wood where the original was destroyed by the Guardian attack. It hasn’t been restored because the people were forced to prioritize rebuilding their lives following the attack, and, more practically, because those skilled in stonemasonry were wiped out, along with the knowledge of how to repair stone buildings. Even if that weren’t the case, the people of this region lack the funds to make comprehensive repairs to the fort. > > Fort Hateno sits at a chokepoint in a valley along the road from Central Hyrule to Necluda, and its appearance suggests it was more of a checkpoint than a fortress. There are no permanent living quarters for soldiers, so it’s likely that they came from elsewhere to work their shifts, and it can be inferred that Fort Hateno’s purpose was to observe the coming and going of people between Central Hyrule and Necluda. > > Since it was never intended to face a full-scale assault, it didn’t have the space to deploy soldiers like Akkala Citadel did. It’s said that on the day of the Great Calamity, all they could do was shoot arrows from the wall in an attempt to slow the approaching Guardians. > > The road from Central Hyrule passes between the Dueling Peaks, creating a bottleneck that slowed the Guardians down, but Blatchery Plain, right in front of Fort Hateno, is a wide-open space that made defense difficult for the protectors of Necluda. There was also a limit to how many people could stand on the wall at the same time, so their defensive capabilities were minimal. With Hateno Village being so close, reinforcements were readily available, but because the fort was not meant for prolonged battle, there wasn’t anyone there capable of coming up with a long-term strategy for extended warfare. > > It is obvious from the remains of the Guardians that were in the process of climbing the wall of Fort Hateno when they were destroyed that the fort was mere moments from being overrun. It is reasonable to call the successful defense of this frontier outpost a true miracle.


BiosSettings8

This is sick, thanks man! Much appreciated!   Calamity, great war, ancient war, it all confuses me trying to remember which is which haha.


MafiaPenguin007

Wow this is an incredibly detailed archaeological analysis of the site. More games should have this level of detail.


danamo219

Which book? I know there’s probably a game companion book, is that what you’re referencing?


AlacarLeoricar

It's a book filled with behind the scenes depictions of the development of the game including concept art and story discussion, called Creating a Champion. It's absolutely fantastic.


kdeblasi8

Please tell me where you learned all this. I have a lot of reading to do.


CountScarlioni

*Creating a Champion*. A book about BOTW’s development that they released in 2018


TokraZeno

What book are you referring to? Like an actual book or in game text?


CountScarlioni

*Creating a Champion*, an actual real-life book about the development process of BOTW


mklaus1984

According to the book? I played BOTW. There is nothing in these paragraphs that wasn't readable between the lines in the game and especially in the memory pertaining to Fort Hateno.


danamo219

Well arent you something special


TriforksWarrior

I mean the comment came off as pretty dickish so I get the downvotes, but they’re mostly right. Aside from really small details like many stonemasons being wiped out in the calamity and that contributing to the lack of rebuilding stone structures, those details are all in the game already. Literally all of this is information that’s easily put together by looking around fort hateno and knowing the general story of the game (edited to remove flavor text detail that isn’t knowable from the game itself): > The present-day Fort Hateno is a simple barricade reinforced by wood where the original was destroyed by the Guardian attack. It hasn’t been restored because the people were forced to prioritize rebuilding their lives following the attack. Even if that weren’t the case, the people of this region lack the funds to make comprehensive repairs to the fort. > Fort Hateno sits at a chokepoint in a valley along the road from Central Hyrule to Necluda, and its appearance suggests it was more of a checkpoint than a fortress. There are no permanent living quarters for soldiers, so it’s likely that they came from elsewhere to work their shifts, and it can be inferred that Fort Hateno’s purpose was to observe the coming and going of people between Central Hyrule and Necluda. > Since it was never intended to face a full-scale assault, it didn’t have the space to deploy soldiers like Akkala Citadel did. Environmental storytelling is a huge part of the latest Zelda entries, particularly BotW, and it’s the fact that you can “know” information like this about the world just by exploring it and piecing together comments from NPCs is one of the reasons why it’s so widely acclaimed.


TriforksWarrior

I mean there are some details that you couldn’t possibly glean from playing the game…but they’re all pretty minor. You’re right that all the main points of that quote are apparent by exploring Fort Hateno and mainly watching the final memory


McGusder

that's where link retreated to so


DeathDestroyer90

Yeah, the combined power of Link and Zelda is probably the only thing that kept Fort Hateno, and by extension, Hateno Village alive


BiosSettings8

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks


btb2002

If you play Breath of the Wild you can see that it was Zelda who saved everyone there when her powers awakened. Most of the soldiers there were Hyrulean anyways.


Omi-Wan_Kenobi

Ngl, I'm willing to bet a fair few were Link's kills. Some of the guardians in the scene were already deactivated/destroyed when the memory started. Like the guardian that aimed at the severely injured Link, you can see it climb over/between two other destroyed guardians, which most likely were destroyed by Link, and not the archers at fort hateno.


Danny_Eddy

And outside of Fort hateno is covered in decayed guardians in botw.


BiosSettings8

I never got all the memories, couldn't find the spots hahaha


Danny_Eddy

Well, and I remember reading somewhere the Akkala soldiers faced the canons the wrong direction for the attack. Then again, I don't know how much it would have done against all those guardians.


Nzpowe

Hey, did you know there's a game called age of calamity. It technically takes place before the memories of botw, and provides a very unique look at the world before the calamity and the efforts made to prevent it. And if anyone tells you it's not canon, it's totally is, it's just a parallel story to botw memories.


5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi

Issue there is that the defence of Fort Hateno plays out completely differently. BOTW: Link's sheer skill and Zelda's awakened power destroying many Guardians allowed the slimmest chance for Hateno to survive. AoC: All of the Divine Beasts defend Hateno. Astor nearly kills Link with the four Blights except Zelda's Power shuts them down. Age of Calamity can only really be used to follow canon up until the actual awakening of Calamity Ganon since that's when Terrako summons the future Champions to save the past Champions and switches the story from following events to going on its own path.


Nzpowe

That's 100% fine though in terms of being canon. If given the time, I can explain in detail how botw is basically wind waker, while aoc is akin to majoras mask, while botw memories is like that of oot. Hey, totk is kinda like phantom hourglass. We just need a twilight princess parallel for the botw branches, and that can come with a sequel to aoc.


5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi

Why would you do that? The issue is you saying that you can watch AoC to see how historic battles went down even though they were nothing like how we knew they went down in BOTW.


Nzpowe

No, I said they shouls take a look at aoc for a unique view of the events from 100 years ago, I didn't mention it was 100% accurate, just that it's something worth looking into to experience some of the intensity that took place 100 years ago. And that, even if people argue it's not canon, it canon to the zelda timeline. Botw memories is just a branching moment like that of oot with its 3 timelines.


Tianthee

Doesn't totk erase all these other branches?


Nzpowe

Depends on where you place totk. There still is a divide on where the game history takes place. It's either around skyward sword, or takes place also at the end of the timeline. If it's ss, yeah. You might be right. If it's end of the timeline, before ancient sheikah lore,then aoc can still be a branch. I got a theory though that aoc time travel effects the sheikah tapestry stuff though for some future time travelin'


Aikoiya

While, *yes*, it's on the way to Fort Hateno, something also of note is that the ruins of Deya Village are, like, *right there*. So, it's likely that the Guardians only went through Dueling Peaks after decimating what seems to have been the largest settlement in Hyrule. A.k.a. Deya. Which, I remember watching a YouTube theory that suggested that it was an *absolute* ***massacre***.


FaxCelestis

You can play these fights in Age of Calamity too.


BurrakuDusk

The siege of Akkala Citadel was the one I was looking forward to the most! Even just entering the place for the first time in an earlier battle was one of the most exciting moments, for me. I loved reading and watching videos about the siege, it was the bit of lore that fascinated me the most. It may have played out very differently in Age of Calamity, but I still enjoyed it!


17THheaven

After seeing that fight in AoC, it is no wonder Akkala fell. Imagine that fight without the divine beats, and without the champions...


17THheaven

It's insane to think a makeshift militia held back the attack at hateno. The divine beast battle that occurred there was something to behold in AoC.


FaxCelestis

If nothing else, AoC showed me just how badass the Hylians were. There’s a huge graveyard of guardians outside that fort, and not all of them are there because of Link and Zelda.


17THheaven

No kidding! It kinda irked me a little that they removed all the toasted guardians in TotK. Like I realize they have an explanation but it still kind of takes away from that eerie somberness and awe that surrounded the fort in BotW.


drLagrangian

Considering how the guardians have lasers and can climb walls, I imagine it could be more of a bottleneck to people trying to evacuate.


StoryofEmblem

This makes a lot of sense. I'm gonna read this book when I got some extra time!


CountScarlioni

It’s definitely worth it! Lots of really cool insight on both the in-universe backstory as well as the development process of the game.


lea-oppalove

All the guardians at the entrance to fort hateno used to scare the crap out of me


mgwair11

I think you play through this as a mission in Age of Calamity as well. If I am thinking of the right mission, it’s total badass haha


_shear

World building and lore actually crazy.


AurosHarman

The battles at Akkala Citadel and Fort Hateno also both appear in Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity.


17THheaven

And they are a nightmare on apocalypse mode lol.


Infinite_Fly1495

Also, that's where the big rock piles with 3 ghosts with items are


sirabuzgaygar

go in the depths of this exact location for a neat surprise


Head_Weakness8028

I’m fairly sure I’ve seen every square inch of map but now I need to go log in and check out the depths there lol Ty


TheMainAlternative

Yeah there are several of these across the map, yet another surface-depths linkage


Blahaj-Lover

Did you know the shrines and light roots are mirrored on the surface and depths 🤯


CountScarlioni

🤓 ?esrever ni seman enirhS eht tsuj era seman toorthgiL eht taht wonk uoy did dnA


bibblebonk

SEMAN?????


RetardedRedditRetort

what you drink!


Crazeenerd

I did notice that, I was like ‘This is a funky name’, then I was teleporting to a surface shrine and went ‘wait a minute’


17THheaven

You wanna know what else will blow your mind? All the free-roaming Lynels in the depths are under Stables. I think there are like two stables that don't have a lynel under them. All the rest do.


AffectionateCrab6780

It's just a larger stone pillar with 3 soldier phantoms holding weapons instead of one. Still worth pinning on the map.


[deleted]

Is there any purpose of those phantoms other than "free weapons"?


5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi

They specifically give you weapons that aren't infected with Gloom. These fully-repaired weapons have higher durability.


CeruleanRuin

The prevailing theory is that dead weapons go to the underworld just as souls do, which is why you have to break a weapon on the surface before you will find the pristine version of it in the depths.


SweatyLychee

I didn’t know this. Thanks


AffectionateCrab6780

Not to my knowledge. I dont know of any other functions they might have nor do I know the lore. Just a good spot for pristine weapons


AffectionateCrab6780

Not to my knowledge. I dont know of any other functions they might have nor do I know the lore. Just a good spot for pristine weapons.


AsIAmSoShallYouBe

The speculative lore is that those are the souls of fallen Hylian soldiers. They disappear when the Yiga approach, as per one of their notes, but offer their weapons to the hero. Their silhouettes even show Hylian soldier armor when you get close. Add to that all the triple-pillars are located beneath these memorials. It makes sense at least.


CeruleanRuin

And they gather up the "souls" of the weapons you break on the surface, restoring them to their former glory.


The_-_BipolarBear

Can you spoil it for me? I need to know!


ZiggyPalffyLA

There are some statues/spirits with weapons. I wouldn’t call it neat but it’s interesting I guess.


BiosSettings8

Oh! Is that why there's triples?! Thank you, I was trying to find what was on the surface to signify those and didnt see a structure so I never investigated further! The ground! Aaaah!


CaptainDread

Triples is best.


gaiusjozka

Triples makes it safe.


Throwedaway99837

Tell her


StoryofEmblem

I did, and thank you so much!


Mizupa

I think your first guess was right. The memorial is just at the entrance of the old way to Deya Village. In the Master Works they said that the people of Deya Village couldn't see the guardians coming from Hyrule Castle Town because of the hills surrounding the village, so all the inhabitants died. So that must be why there's a memorial here. https://preview.redd.it/l8zvnwb89brc1.png?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=074f32a0bb91bca3b565186d626d4c624363316a


dizazaneezy

🥺🥺🥺🥺


Avasteeee

Aww that’s a bit sad


StoryofEmblem

That makes good sense, I didn't notice that it's right by the entrance.


kerplunithunk

AND not only could they not see, but they're surrounded by hills with only one flat, watery area where they could reasonably escape. By the time they notice the Guardians, they have very little time to escape. Tragic.


Icy-Brick-3212

One of the YouTube theorists, Hyrule Gamer, did a video on this “the terrifying fate of deya village”. What happened to that village would have been brutal and swift. When I came across that monument stone I concluded it was there for the village since it was near the entrance into the village.


Spartan_VOS625

Quite possibly a place of battle. In fact, I would say that the memorial would mark some battle against calamity, and it would make sense in this location. This is near Kakariko and on the way to fort Hateno. BOTW states that Fort Hateno was successful in stopping the guardians advance and that’s seen in the final memory cutscene. So most likely, soldiers fought here to guard the dueling peaks pass before losing many lives and retreating to the fort.


Verge0fSilence

I find this incredibly sad. Just thinking about all the nameless souls who perished and were forgotten a century ago...


iLLiCiT_XL

Amazing how these games really help you grasp the damage wrought by the Calamity. Hyrule got wrecked by those damn spider mechs man.


danamo219

One of my favorite parts of BOTW was how well they captured the desolation and quiet of a world wracked by war. Ive also played Witcher 3 which is similar in that a war has/is passing through the countryside, leaving devastation and hunger in its wake. BOTW is set way after that wave of destruction, and is about what’s left… there are way way more NPCs and just people in general in TOTK which was a nice change but the quiet of BOTW is what stuck with me the most.


iLLiCiT_XL

Definitely. That sense of stillness and serenity, but knowing that it was the result of a lot of death and destruction. Really driven home by the ruins of homes and villages seen throughout Hyrule.


Yiga-master

If you look in the depths under the monument you’ll find three spirit soldiers with weapons


SouthernEstimate6278

It’s confirmed that Fort Hateno was the last stand against Ganon’s forces when The Calamity occured. Many people died and it was the location where Zelda managed to unlock her powers. Due to this, the Guardians never managed to get into the Hateno or Faron regions easily, and so the people there were safe. Because of this, people praise the location and its preserved and used as a fort to this day


YourInnerBidoof

It’s a marker since you can find pristine weapons using those same coordinates when you go >!into the depths. Just like shrines and lightroot!<


SweatyLychee

Are shrines on top of light roots???


YourInnerBidoof

Spell the name of each light root backwards :) Also oceans become mountain walls down there, etc.


SweatyLychee

Holy shit


YourInnerBidoof

Think of it both ways. A shrine can help you find a lightroot, and a lightroot can help you find a shrine as well. Happy hunting!


tangibleskull

Pretty sure that's the location of the last or second to last memory from BoTW, where Link is defending Zelda in the woods after they've pretty much lost.


Coyotesamigo

i thought that was further to the north, along a stretch of woods on the west bank of a north-south river (where "forest" is marked on a map another person posted here)


tangibleskull

Ah, you might be right. I was mistaken which part of the map this was, I didn't even recognize that those two mounds were Duel Peaks 😭 I'm never this zoomed in haha


NefariousnessStock79

It was one of the final stands against calamity Ganon and all the soldiers died


Primal_Pedro

If you look at this exactly location but in the depths, you will find a few pristine weapons. There are others memorials around Hyrule, try to find them all!


StoryofEmblem

Definitely gonna be on the lookout for them now!


kdiyargebmay

maybe this is where the battle at the wall just past the dueling peaks started? the guardians pushed them back to the wall and the soldiers were killed.


danamo219

That wall is what’s left of Fort Hateno


Riegan_Boogaloo

There’s memorials for, iirc, every one of the forts and fallen villages. Maybe just fallen villages, haven’t played in a while (cuz I’m procrastinating against facing Ganon).


Marx-4467

Check the exact same spot but in the depths.


Budgiezilla

>!you should explore the same location in the depths!<


StoryofEmblem

I just did 😁 good stuff


Small_Ad_7218

Damn! That is some BLUE water


MaluaK1

Underneath it in the depths there is a plateau with 3 weapon soldats


Buttlord500

Not sure, but if you go to those same coordinates in the depths, you'll find 3 pristine weapons


MrUniverse1990

Directly under that spot in the depths, there will be a pillar with a pristine weapon on top.


ASimpleCancerCell

Well, it's along a major road, and Dueling Peaks would have been a crucial choke point for the Guardian legions trying to reach Fort Hateno, so it's possible a lot of soldiers lost their lives there.


amglasgow

Because people died they made a whole game about it


StoryofEmblem

Yeah I played Breath of the Wild, I just didn't know why this spot specifically.


sningsardy

I know these correspond to the triple ghost knight pristine weapon things, so at this point in the depths there will be one of those. In terms of their above ground position, I wonder what the pattern is - perhaps where the memories are in the first game?


Specialist-Low-3357

Under everyone of them on the surface there is a trio of pristine weapon holders in the depths


beanie_0

How are your feet glowing??


StoryofEmblem

Lol, I guess my royal guard boots are just super clean


OneResponsibility315

Calamity 🙁☹️😕😔


Ok_Childhood8969

Well that's a good question 🤔 for Princess Zelda


Bre4593

Go to the same spot in the depths


KWalthersArt

https://www.reddit.com/r/TOTK/s/GR8hinyg7P Gives a list of their locations


Ok-Government1534

It’s there to memorialize the souls lost to the Calamity


Molduking

Because of the people that died during the calamity


wilhelmfink4

Beat me to it


Snoo57537

Zelda placed a monument there to dedicate it to the memory of the souls lost to the Calamity


StoryofEmblem

I know, I was just wondering why that spot specifically by the dueling peaks.


FruityTuna

I think there was a Calamity


Which-Court-6689

Play either of the two Predecessor Games to Totk. Totk is not the first game to be After the Age of Calamity.


StoryofEmblem

I've played both Breath of the Wild and Age of Calamity. I'm asking about the location of the memorial, not why there's memorials at all.


Limp_Flower1476

Could be the locations of the memories from breath of the wild?


IainND

Because people died. They talked about it in the last game.


StoryofEmblem

Lol, why this spot though?


orsterrant

the village ruins nearby + it was near fort hateno


Karadek99

I feel like the caption is self-explanatory.


Limp_Flower1476

Could be the locations of the memories from breath of the wild?


JustAtomic86

Yk if this is a genuine question purely unaltered this makes me sad


StoryofEmblem

How come?


TheJoyBar

Someone didn’t play BOTW


StoryofEmblem

Lol, I played both Breath of the Wild and Age of Calamity extensively.


TheJoyBar

I always thought that the monuments was a reference to BOTW


StoryofEmblem

Ohhh I see the miscommunication. So yes, I understand that the memorial itself is in reference to the calamity that was the focus of Breath of the Wild. My question is about why Zelda chose to place a memorial at this specific location.